Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Dear Sunil, i said what read by sanjay rath. Is is conjunction of AK with Lagna in Navamsa not Lagna Lord. In this chart on PL light I an saturn as AK and they both are close and upto degree minute and and decision about AK and AmK is made by a difference of 15 seconds. If one takes Saturn as AK the interpretaion according to Sanjay Rath should be # 8. If AK is in 8th house, the native has many troubles and weaknesses. He is defeated in war. Propitiate as per Saturn or Lord Satya Näräyana, fast on full Moon days and speak the truth OM TAT SAT.# Perhaps lalit jee and Chandra shekar jee a shed some light. There are two lattitude I an getting on Trichur I have checled both and tried Ayanamsa and still getting Sat as AK Then I checked with J hora you are right I got Rahu as AK and agian very narrowly. If you apply Rath rule interpreattion should be # 10. If AK is in 10th house, the native is blessed with a clean heart and good home. He shall be a pillar for his family and mother; the Moon in strength shall be an added blessing for this. # thanks kamal. - sunil nair Vedic Astrologyandhealing Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:11 AM [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Vakri planets and Atamakarka Hare ramakrishna, dear kamal ji . as far as the london girl ,is her lagna degree is 13 degree 47 and tell me any day lite saving is there . I done and see the charts tell me abt the family back ground at the time of their birth and after .when it has take off . I will giv u one chart which again rahu is AK under the *CK scheme and with mars the navamsa lagna lord mars and aspecting lagna lord and lagna in rasi chart . 9th may 1963 and 11.57 PM at trichur dst ,kerala state south india . Though born in royal family now struggling to hand to mouth ,he is my known person . If its what u quoted as AK with navamsa lagna lord ---- pls confirm regrds sunil nair om shreem maha laxmai namah. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner" <sightsolutions wrote:>> Dear sunil > > pl find the data> > > D Female Manchester England Feb 18,1983 12:30:00 LMT> L Female New Delhi Delhi India Oct 25,1961 02:36:00 LMT> > I know these two people. They have what can be called as fortunate people with out any extra ordinary achievements. In case of D she has 2 or 4 exalted planets while L has 3 debilitated planets.> > Just one request. I am there to learn. I am very beginner in the field. What is given in Sanjay Rath site is also given in Visti Larsen book ( as one would expect)> > If you need any sp information about these people pl ask me> > > kamal> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Dear Kamal, There is a huge difference of opinion amongst the scholars as to whether the position of AK is to be seen in the Rasi chart of navamsha chart. If you see what you have said that Sanjay has written (If AK is in 8th house), then it appears the 8th is to be seen in the rasi chart, a position which appears to be diametrically opposed to the general View on the subject held by Sanjay. As to the remedies suggested, I can not comment as the ancient texts certainly do not suggest them, much less Jaimini. However the opinion on 10th house occupation of AK is interesting, though why clean heart, pillar to mother etc. is not very clear, as this does not appear to follow any astrological principles. Of course Sanjay is a learned astrologer and there must be some source that he is referring to which, sadly, he chooses not to reveal. Chandrashekhar. Vedic Learner wrote: Dear Sunil, i said what read by sanjay rath. Is is conjunction of AK with Lagna in Navamsa not Lagna Lord. In this chart on PL light I an saturn as AK and they both are close and upto degree minute and and decision about AK and AmK is made by a difference of 15 seconds. If one takes Saturn as AK the interpretaion according to Sanjay Rath should be # 8. If AK is in 8th house, the native has many troubles and weaknesses. He is defeated in war. Propitiate as per Saturn or Lord Satya Näräyana, fast on full Moon days and speak the truth OM TAT SAT.# Perhaps lalit jee and Chandra shekar jee a shed some light. There are two lattitude I an getting on Trichur I have checled both and tried Ayanamsa and still getting Sat as AK Then I checked with J hora you are right I got Rahu as AK and agian very narrowly. If you apply Rath rule interpreattion should be # 10. If AK is in 10th house, the native is blessed with a clean heart and good home. He shall be a pillar for his family and mother; the Moon in strength shall be an added blessing for this. # thanks kamal. ----- Original Message ----- sunil nair To: Vedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:11 AM Subject: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Vakri planets and Atamakarka Hare ramakrishna, dear kamal ji . as far as the london girl ,is her lagna degree is 13 degree 47 and tell me any day lite saving is there . I done and see the charts tell me abt the family back ground at the time of their birth and after .when it has take off . I will giv u one chart which again rahu is AK under the *CK scheme and with mars the navamsa lagna lord mars and aspecting lagna lord and lagna in rasi chart . 9th may 1963 and 11.57 PM at trichur dst ,kerala state south india . Though born in royal family now struggling to hand to mouth ,he is my known person . If its what u quoted as AK with navamsa lagna lord ---- pls confirm regrds sunil nair om shreem maha laxmai namah. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner" <sightsolutions wrote: > > Dear sunil > > pl find the data > > > D Female Manchester England Feb 18,1983 12:30:00 LMT > L Female New Delhi Delhi India Oct 25,1961 02:36:00 LMT > > I know these two people. They have what can be called as fortunate people with out any extra ordinary achievements. In case of D she has 2 or 4 exalted planets while L has 3 debilitated planets. > > Just one request. I am there to learn. I am very beginner in the field. What is given in Sanjay Rath site is also given in Visti Larsen book ( as one would expect) > > If you need any sp information about these people pl ask me > > > kamal > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Dear Sunil, There is no harm in trying to find out which is the right approach to the number of charakaraks. K.N. Rao does not use his own chara dasha, rather he uses his interpretation of how chara dashas should be calculated. So KNR is not against Parashari techniques as is thought by you. By the way a raj yoga is caused when AK and PutraKaraka join, preferably in Lagna, 5th bhava, in exaltation or own rasi or own navamsha and not when AK and Amatyakaraka join, if my memory serves me right. I have always held that mere memorizing of yogas without understanding the astrological logic that leads to the results, attributed to them, may not allow one to come to any positive conclusion about what may happen to the jataka in future when analyzing a real life chart. Chandrashekhar. sunil nair wrote: Hare ramakrishna, respected chandra sekhar ji , Yes ,i wanted to see and more inquisive becuse i find many of my frnds including lalit s Ak is rahu in 8 karaka scheme .And some other planets in 7 karaka scheme . So i thought of enquiring in our way than just following some wriiten or available books .Even K N rao he uses a chara dasa of his own versions which is against parasari itself though i am yet to master the techniqs .I find many horoscopes which go against dictums .For eg >AK and AMK conjn gives raja yoga like this is not working in some personal life .I find such chart as its a small girls chart the dasa was of planets in lagna in chara dasa and this small girl is showing as if possesssed by ghosts .And his father is small labourer and no raja yogas. Becuse both cannot be true . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > Rahu as AK in lagna is certain to give the person quite a bit of self > confidence, and perhaps a healthy body, as he is AK. Much will also > depend on the rasi occupied and the grahas conjunct. In the case where > it aspects you have not specified whether you are talking about rasi > aspect or graha aspect. When Rahu is conjunct AK, much depends on which > planet he is conjoining. With Sun it could indicate harm from snake bite. > > I have already indicated what is the significance of any planet who is > also AK in lagna. > > Sanjay has stated a principle, from his parampara, but no principle of > astrology can be applied in isolation. You have to consider what he has > said elsewhere to understand the likely effect of such a position of AK. > > Of course this is my personal opinion and other learned astrologers may > hold a different view. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > Vedic Learner wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil and Chadra Shekar > > > > I have two charts with Rahu as AK and in lagna in rasi not nvasma and > > further two aspecting and with AK. > > > > Pl tell what is the significance of Rahu as AK and in Lagna or for > > that matter any planet as AK and in lagna either Rashi or Navamsa > > > > Sanjay Rath states if # > > > > If AK is in navamsa Lagna, the native belongs to a royal family/ is of > > > > noble birth and lineage. If navamsa Lagna Lord conjoins AK, then the > > native, > > > > although of humble origin shall rise to a high rank equal to a king. > > If the AK > > > > aspects navamsa Lagna, then Royal association shall be present from birth. > > > > The natural karaka of 1st house (Sun) should be strong to indicate the > > extent > > > > of Rajyoga.# > > > > > > thanks > > > > ka > > > > - > > ** Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > > *To:* Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:23 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Vakri planets and > > Atamakarka > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > Much will depend on what scheme one prefers. If one considers > > Pitrukaraka along with other seven karakas, then Rahu will have to > > be considered for Atmakaraka, naturally. There are many opinions > > on how rahu is to be used and as Parashara indicates some think > > that it is to be used when a charakaraka place falls vacant due to > > amsha-kala samya (equal degrees and minutes for two grahas). There > > are too many opinions and one has to find one's own way around > > Chara karaka. By definition the karaka being variable, there can > > be no ban on nodes becoming a charakaraka if one has to consider 8 > > karakas, then Rahu can certainly be taken as AK is advanced in > > degrees traversed and Parashara actually tells how to see whether > > Rahu has acquired highest degrees. So the sage does not seem to > > suggest any ban on Rahu as AK. > > > > I do not have many charts with AK being rahu and occupying lagna > > and navamsha lagna. > > > > take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > >> hare ramakrishna, > >> > >> Respected chandra sekhar ji . > >> > >> > >> > >> I got your point ,My question is that whether the nodes > >> can be given any chara karakatwa .I would like to know ur > >> personal opinion also .Even i used many times rahu as AK even i > >> discussed many charts with rahu as AK .But i feel some where we r > >> missing .It cannot be both 7 karaka and 8 karaka scheme. > >> > >> > >> > >> We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in lagna and in navamsa > >> lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in this group has pls > >> let me know the chart with some back ground information ..here i > >> am looking for charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini has > >> said that Ak in lagna has a purticular result. > >> > >> > >> > >> regrds sunil nair. > >> > >> om shreem mahalaxmai namah > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > >> <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > >> > > >> > Dear Sunil, > >> > It means that "the planet who has traversed most degrees in a > >> rasi is > >> > the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some say there are 8 > >> karakas". > >> > Chandrashekhar. > >> > > >> > sunil nair wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Hare ramakrishna > >> > > > >> > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > >> > > > >> > > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is from gurus . > >> > > > >> > > Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation > >> > > > >> > > regrds sunil nair > >> > > > >> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > >> Chandrashekhar > >> > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Dear Sunil, > >> > > > > >> > > > But Jaimini does talk about"atmaadika kalaadibhirna bhogaH > >> > > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaan aaMvaa" vide sutra 11, adhyaaya1, Pada > >> 1, of Jaimini > >> > > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not just throw > >> that away, > >> > > > though my personal opinion may be different. > >> > > > > >> > > > Chandrashekhar. > >> > > > > >> > > > sunil nair wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Hare krishna, > >> > > > > > >> > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka scheme is absurd and > >> may be > >> > > > > an interpolation in astrological treatise . > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and other upa > >> grahas which r > >> > > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this question may arise and > >> important > >> > > > > points i discussed in previous mail > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > regrds sunil nair > >> > > > > > >> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > >> Chandrashekhar > >> > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka with 8 > >> chara karaka > >> > > > > > scheme, option. > >> > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear kamal ji . > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul indicater ),imagine > >> sun is > >> > > > > > > universal atmakaraka > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > and the other planets in chart derive all power from > >> sun ,so only > >> > > > > > > planets with physical bodies can become atmakarak or > >> derive power > >> > > > > from > >> > > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > >> "Vedic Learner" > >> > > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like me. I have friend > >> who has > >> > > Saturn > >> > > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and Debilitated > >> and retro in > >> > > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends > >> daughter who has > >> > > > > exalted > >> > > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in Capricorn > >> (own > >> > > house and > >> > > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different results should the > >> girls chart > >> > > have > >> > > > > > > better results. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail I looked at > >> both the > >> > > charts > >> > > > > and > >> > > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and > >> daughter have > >> > > Rahu as > >> > > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection of > >> chart but > >> > > find that > >> > > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will expect on probability. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > My question is is it just chance or slow moving > >> planets are more > >> > > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar people close to > >> me who > >> > > have same > >> > > > > > > inner desires. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sincerely > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > kamal > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Dear Sunil, The science was supposed to be transmitted in Guru to shishya parampara no doubt. That was to stop it falling into the hands of the unscrupulous. However the Gurus did, through their shishyas leave a vast wealth of knowledge which was carried by great feats of memory through constant verbal recital. Some texts could have got corrupted in transmission and as you have said that since the Gurus to explain and check the accuracy were no longer there, they appear to have left gaps in knowledge. However we have to understand that in the voluminous texts or shlokas that they left behind there is great deal of principles that are talked about and if we unravel the principles, it is not difficult to understood what could be corruption and what is the original text. As to Buddha avatar being equated to Gautam Buddha, I have my reservations. I do not think they are the same person. If memory serves me right the Buddha referred to in Avatara is Sugata Buddha was born around 1500 B.C. in Bodhi gaya (Kikata) to Anjana and is not the Siddhartha Gautam Buddha who was born at Kapilavastu (563BC). Anyway, Parashara makes it clear as to when the text was told/written when he says that Kalpadruma yoga in these days is in the chart of Yudhishthira and shall, in future, appear in the chart of Shalivahana. So your contention of we having no knowledge of prebuddha period jyotish is not perhaps correct. There is also jyotish taught to sage Narada by sage Sanandana and then there is Atharva Jyotish. Take care, Chandrashekhar. sunil nair wrote: Hare ramakrishna respected chandra sekhar ji , yes sages left lot of gaps for us to fill ourself .And many books lost its originality as the real guru parampara is lost as a parampara guru is representing a tradition of 10 or 15 thousand years of flow of knowledge and testing with practical life and they know the rules and riders and exceptions .After destruction of gurukula system and classical style of learning now many things we r not getting proper answers . As regrds to parasara period --budha born in 500BC and even our indus valley civilisation in showing many vedic devatas and yoga postures and a vastu frndly city .That means we hav knowldege abt the jyothish pre budha period ,so in modern version of parasari how budha s reference came .it shows some additions happened .And even baqyaya saab said he has a copy of BPHS which has more slokas than what available in market if my memeory is correct . lack of support from public and any agencies we r realy sufferring even in collecting and reserching and data compilation and as a professional astrologer myself ,i find even a wel placed business man will happily consult u wihout paying anything were as all granthas says even gurus need not ask money but ppl has to or must pay dakhsina means some thing which is max of their capacity ..They forget to support a noble system which is realy useful for them . oh ,i crossed the context of our discussion regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > The sages do talk about what others say without commenting on it, > implying that you may take it or use their own parameters. So they do > talk about it in that manner. > > My personal opinion is that unlike astrologers of the modern times, the > rishis never claimed that their opinion on the divine science is the > last one and inviolate. That is why they gave first other's opinion with > due respect and then their own. They left it to the seeker of knowledge > to find out for himself which opinion he finds suits his way of > interpretation of charts. That must have been done with a reason that > was sound enough. > > Many parameters of dasha vis-a-vis charakarakas have modern origin and > no supporting classic text to support that premise. So a blanket > statement that AK dasha in chara dasha is always bad, may not be > strictly correct. > > I have not understood the reference to new testament and its connection > to Parashara. The texts that were carried down through generation > through committing them to memory are likely to have undergone some > unintentional corruption, no doubt. yet the major structure of the text > would not change and it is up to the individual astrologer to try to > interpret what the sages said in the light of principles that are given > by them and also by astrologers of the time when texts began to be > written down. > > I am sure you and others can do a lot of meaningful research to come to > some concrete conclusion in this regard. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > respected chandrasekhar ji . > > > > Can we say that it depends on how u take it and which scheme . > > > > I dont think rishis talk this way .SO either of us is going wrong ( i > > mean opinions) ,i am after the truth .How we can relate the other > > results in chart by seeing only tru only jaimini methods with rahu as > > AK ,like it says AK dasa in chara dasa will be bad ,so we hav to take > > both AK which is rahu and some other planet and see in so many charts > > as much as possible and delinate results . > > > > I am worried abt the interpolations happened in parasari ,a rishi who > > might hav written BPHS in BC 3500 atleast and Budhas reference in new > > testament (budha is vishnu avatar of mercury like this ) . > > > > > > > > Hope we can do some thing jointly with help of the other members who r > > not bind by any gurudom slavery tru a reserch . > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > Much will depend on what scheme one prefers. If one considers > > > Pitrukaraka along with other seven karakas, then Rahu will have to be > > > considered for Atmakaraka, naturally. There are many opinions on how > > > rahu is to be used and as Parashara indicates some think that it is to > > > be used when a charakaraka place falls vacant due to amsha-kala samya > > > (equal degrees and minutes for two grahas). There are too many opinions > > > and one has to find one's own way around Chara karaka. By definition > > the > > > karaka being variable, there can be no ban on nodes becoming a > > > charakaraka if one has to consider 8 karakas, then Rahu can > > certainly be > > > taken as AK is advanced in degrees traversed and Parashara actually > > > tells how to see whether Rahu has acquired highest degrees. So the sage > > > does not seem to suggest any ban on Rahu as AK. > > > > > > I do not have many charts with AK being rahu and occupying lagna and > > > navamsha lagna. > > > > > > take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > Respected chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got your point ,My question is that whether the nodes can be > > > > given any chara karakatwa .I would like to know ur personal opinion > > > > also .Even i used many times rahu as AK even i discussed many charts > > > > with rahu as AK .But i feel some where we r missing ..It cannot be > > both > > > > 7 karaka and 8 karaka scheme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in lagna and in navamsa > > > > lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in this group has pls let > > > > me know the chart with some back ground information ..here i am > > looking > > > > for charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini has said that Ak in > > > > lagna has a purticular result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > It means that "the planet who has traversed most degrees in a > > rasi is > > > > > the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some say there are 8 > > karakas". > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is from gurus . > > > > > > > > > > > > Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Jaimini does talk about"atmaadika kalaadibhirna bhogaH > > > > > > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaan aaMvaa" vide sutra 11, adhyaaya1, Pada > > 1, of > > > > Jaimini > > > > > > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not just throw that > > away, > > > > > > > though my personal opinion may be different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka scheme is absurd and > > may be > > > > > > > > an interpolation in astrological treatise . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and other upa grahas > > > > which r > > > > > > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this question may arise and > > > > important > > > > > > > > points i discussed in previous mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka with 8 chara > > > > karaka > > > > > > > > > scheme, option. > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear kamal ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul indicater ),imagine > > sun is > > > > > > > > > > universal atmakaraka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the other planets in chart derive all power from sun > > > > ,so only > > > > > > > > > > planets with physical bodies can become atmakarak or > > > > derive power > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Vedic > > > > Learner" > > > > > > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like me. I have friend > > who has > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and Debilitated and > > > > retro in > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends daughter > > who has > > > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in Capricorn (own > > > > > > house and > > > > > > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different results should the girls > > > > chart > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > better results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail I looked at > > both the > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and daughter > > have > > > > > > Rahu as > > > > > > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection of > > chart but > > > > > > find that > > > > > > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will expect on probability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is is it just chance or slow moving planets > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar people close to > > me who > > > > > > have same > > > > > > > > > > inner desires. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Dear Sunil an Chandra Shekar I had asked same question about Budha Avatar. I friend from Jagan nath centre gave me this answer # Budha is not the same as Buddha, the incarnation of the Lord. Budha is not an incarnation of the Lord, it's the Sanskrit name for Mercury, and he is the son of the Moon with Tara, the wife of Jupiter, Brhaspati. The incarnation for Mercury is Vishnu! # I do not understand fully Learned may add kamalChandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: Dear Sunil,The science was supposed to be transmitted in Guru to shishya parampara no doubt. That was to stop it falling into the hands of the unscrupulous. However the Gurus did, through their shishyas leave a vast wealth of knowledge which was carried by great feats of memory through constant verbal recital. Some texts could have got corrupted in transmission and as you have said that since the Gurus to explain and check the accuracy were no longer there, they appear to have left gaps in knowledge. However we have to understand that in the voluminous texts or shlokas that they left behind there is great deal of principles that are talked about and if we unravel the principles, it is not difficult to understood what could be corruption and what is the original text.As to Buddha avatar being equated to Gautam Buddha, I have my reservations. I do not think they are the same person. If memory serves me right the Buddha referred to in Avatara is Sugata Buddha was born around 1500 B.C. in Bodhi gaya (Kikata) to Anjana and is not the Siddhartha Gautam Buddha who was born at Kapilavastu (563BC).Anyway, Parashara makes it clear as to when the text was told/written when he says that Kalpadruma yoga in these days is in the chart of Yudhishthira and shall, in future, appear in the chart of Shalivahana. So your contention of we having no knowledge of prebuddha period jyotish is not perhaps correct. There is also jyotish taught to sage Narada by sage Sanandana and then there is Atharva Jyotish.Take care,Chandrashekhar.sunil nair wrote: Hare ramakrishna respected chandra sekhar ji , yes sages left lot of gaps for us to fill ourself .And many books lost its originality as the real guru parampara is lost as a parampara guru is representing a tradition of 10 or 15 thousand years of flow of knowledge and testing with practical life and they know the rules and riders and exceptions .After destruction of gurukula system and classical style of learning now many things we r not getting proper answers . As regrds to parasara period --budha born in 500BC and even our indus valley civilisation in showing many vedic devatas and yoga postures and a vastu frndly city .That means we hav knowldege abt the jyothish pre budha period ,so in modern version of parasari how budha s reference came .it shows some additions happened .And even baqyaya saab said he has a copy of BPHS which has more slokas than what available in market if my memeory is correct . lack of support from public and any agencies we r realy sufferring even in collecting and reserching and data compilation and as a professional astrologer myself ,i find even a wel placed business man will happily consult u wihout paying anything were as all granthas says even gurus need not ask money but ppl has to or must pay dakhsina means some thing which is max of their capacity .They forget to support a noble system which is realy useful for them . oh ,i crossed the context of our discussion regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Sunil,> > The sages do talk about what others say without commenting on it, > implying that you may take it or use their own parameters. So they do > talk about it in that manner.> > My personal opinion is that unlike astrologers of the modern times, the > rishis never claimed that their opinion on the divine science is the > last one and inviolate. That is why they gave first other's opinion with > due respect and then their own. They left it to the seeker of knowledge > to find out for himself which opinion he finds suits his way of > interpretation of charts. That must have been done with a reason that > was sound enough.> > Many parameters of dasha vis-a-vis charakarakas have modern origin and > no supporting classic text to support that premise. So a blanket > statement that AK dasha in chara dasha is always bad, may not be > strictly correct.> > I have not understood the reference to new testament and its connection > to Parashara. The texts that were carried down through generation > through committing them to memory are likely to have undergone some > unintentional corruption, no doubt. yet the major structure of the text > would not change and it is up to the individual astrologer to try to > interpret what the sages said in the light of principles that are given > by them and also by astrologers of the time when texts began to be > written down.> > I am sure you and others can do a lot of meaningful research to come to > some concrete conclusion in this regard.> > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > > > sunil nair wrote:> >> > Hare ramakrishna,> >> > respected chandrasekhar ji .> >> > Can we say that it depends on how u take it and which scheme .> >> > I dont think rishis talk this way .SO either of us is going wrong ( i > > mean opinions) ,i am after the truth .How we can relate the other > > results in chart by seeing only tru only jaimini methods with rahu as > > AK ,like it says AK dasa in chara dasa will be bad ,so we hav to take > > both AK which is rahu and some other planet and see in so many charts > > as much as possible and delinate results .> >> > I am worried abt the interpolations happened in parasari ,a rishi who > > might hav written BPHS in BC 3500 atleast and Budhas reference in new > > testament (budha is vishnu avatar of mercury like this ) .> >> > > >> > Hope we can do some thing jointly with help of the other members who r > > not bind by any gurudom slavery tru a reserch .> >> > > >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> >> > > >> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil,> > >> > > Much will depend on what scheme one prefers. If one considers> > > Pitrukaraka along with other seven karakas, then Rahu will have to be> > > considered for Atmakaraka, naturally. There are many opinions on how> > > rahu is to be used and as Parashara indicates some think that it is to> > > be used when a charakaraka place falls vacant due to amsha-kala samya> > > (equal degrees and minutes for two grahas). There are too many opinions> > > and one has to find one's own way around Chara karaka. By definition > > the> > > karaka being variable, there can be no ban on nodes becoming a> > > charakaraka if one has to consider 8 karakas, then Rahu can > > certainly be> > > taken as AK is advanced in degrees traversed and Parashara actually> > > tells how to see whether Rahu has acquired highest degrees. So the sage> > > does not seem to suggest any ban on Rahu as AK.> > >> > > I do not have many charts with AK being rahu and occupying lagna and> > > navamsha lagna.> > >> > > take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > >> > > sunil nair wrote:> > > >> > > > hare ramakrishna,> > > >> > > > Respected chandra sekhar ji .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I got your point ,My question is that whether the nodes can be> > > > given any chara karakatwa .I would like to know ur personal opinion> > > > also .Even i used many times rahu as AK even i discussed many charts> > > > with rahu as AK .But i feel some where we r missing .It cannot be > > both> > > > 7 karaka and 8 karaka scheme.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in lagna and in navamsa> > > > lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in this group has pls let> > > > me know the chart with some back ground information .here i am > > looking> > > > for charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini has said that Ak in> > > > lagna has a purticular result.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair.> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar> > > > <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > It means that "the planet who has traversed most degrees in a > > rasi is> > > > > the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some say there are 8 > > karakas".> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > >> > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji .> > > > > >> > > > > > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is from gurus .> > > > > >> > > > > > Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar> > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But Jaimini does talk about"atmaadika kalaadibhirna bhogaH> > > > > > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaan aaMvaa" vide sutra 11, adhyaaya1, Pada > > 1, of> > > > Jaimini> > > > > > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not just throw that > > away,> > > > > > > though my personal opinion may be different.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hare krishna,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka scheme is absurd and > > may be> > > > > > > > an interpolation in astrological treatise .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and other upa grahas> > > > which r> > > > > > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this question may arise and> > > > important> > > > > > > > points i discussed in previous mail> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka with 8 chara> > > > karaka> > > > > > > > > scheme, option.> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear kamal ji .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul indicater ),imagine > > sun is> > > > > > > > > > universal atmakaraka> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and the other planets in chart derive all power from sun> > > > ,so only> > > > > > > > > > planets with physical bodies can become atmakarak or> > > > derive power> > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Vedic> > > > Learner"> > > > > > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like me. I have friend > > who has> > > > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and Debilitated and> > > > retro in> > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends daughter > > who has> > > > > > > > exalted> > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in Capricorn (own> > > > > > house and> > > > > > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different results should the girls> > > > chart> > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > better results.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail I looked at > > both the> > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and daughter > > have> > > > > > Rahu as> > > > > > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection of > > chart but> > > > > > find that> > > > > > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will expect on probability.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > My question is is it just chance or slow moving planets> > > > are more> > > > > > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar people close to > > me who> > > > > > have same> > > > > > > > > > inner desires.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > sincerely> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > kamal> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Dear Kamal, If Jagan Nath Centre says like what u r have put, I m sure Jagan Nath Centre has also not understand the reference to Budha in the BPHS. One should avoid cooking up justifications. regards, Lalit Mishra Vedic Astrologyandhealing , KAMAL SAHNI <sightsolutions wrote: > > Dear Sunil an Chandra Shekar > > I had asked same question about Budha Avatar. I friend from Jagan nath centre gave me this answer > > # > Budha is not the same as Buddha, the incarnation of the Lord. Budha is not an incarnation of the Lord, it's the Sanskrit name for Mercury, and he is the son of the Moon with Tara, the wife of Jupiter, Brhaspati. The incarnation for Mercury is Vishnu! > # > > I do not understand fully Learned may add > > kamal > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > Dear Sunil, > > The science was supposed to be transmitted in Guru to shishya parampara no doubt. That was to stop it falling into the hands of the unscrupulous. However the Gurus did, through their shishyas leave a vast wealth of knowledge which was carried by great feats of memory through constant verbal recital. Some texts could have got corrupted in transmission and as you have said that since the Gurus to explain and check the accuracy were no longer there, they appear to have left gaps in knowledge. > > However we have to understand that in the voluminous texts or shlokas that they left behind there is great deal of principles that are talked about and if we unravel the principles, it is not difficult to understood what could be corruption and what is the original text. > > As to Buddha avatar being equated to Gautam Buddha, I have my reservations. I do not think they are the same person. If memory serves me right the Buddha referred to in Avatara is Sugata Buddha was born around 1500 B.C. in Bodhi gaya (Kikata) to Anjana and is not the Siddhartha Gautam Buddha who was born at Kapilavastu (563BC). > > Anyway, Parashara makes it clear as to when the text was told/written when he says that Kalpadruma yoga in these days is in the chart of Yudhishthira and shall, in future, appear in the chart of Shalivahana. So your contention of we having no knowledge of prebuddha period jyotish is not perhaps correct. There is also jyotish taught to sage Narada by sage Sanandana and then there is Atharva Jyotish. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > sunil nair wrote: Hare ramakrishna > respected chandra sekhar ji , > > yes sages left lot of gaps for us to fill ourself .And many books lost its originality as the real guru parampara is lost as a parampara guru is representing a tradition of 10 or 15 thousand years of flow of knowledge and testing with practical life and they know the rules and riders and exceptions .After destruction of gurukula system and classical style of learning now many things we r not getting proper answers . > > As regrds to parasara period --budha born in 500BC and even our indus valley civilisation in showing many vedic devatas and yoga postures and a vastu frndly city .That means we hav knowldege abt the jyothish pre budha period ,so in modern version of parasari how budha s reference came .it shows some additions happened .And even baqyaya saab said he has a copy of BPHS which has more slokas than what available in market if my memeory is correct . > > lack of support from public and any agencies we r realy sufferring even in collecting and reserching and data compilation and as a professional astrologer myself ,i find even a wel placed business man will happily consult u wihout paying anything were as all granthas says even gurus need not ask money but ppl has to or must pay dakhsina means some thing which is max of their capacity .They forget to support a noble system which is realy useful for them . > > oh ,i crossed the context of our discussion > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > The sages do talk about what others say without commenting on it, > > implying that you may take it or use their own parameters. So they do > > talk about it in that manner. > > > > My personal opinion is that unlike astrologers of the modern times, the > > rishis never claimed that their opinion on the divine science is the > > last one and inviolate. That is why they gave first other's opinion with > > due respect and then their own. They left it to the seeker of knowledge > > to find out for himself which opinion he finds suits his way of > > interpretation of charts. That must have been done with a reason that > > was sound enough. > > > > Many parameters of dasha vis-a-vis charakarakas have modern origin and > > no supporting classic text to support that premise. So a blanket > > statement that AK dasha in chara dasha is always bad, may not be > > strictly correct. > > > > I have not understood the reference to new testament and its connection > > to Parashara. The texts that were carried down through generation > > through committing them to memory are likely to have undergone some > > unintentional corruption, no doubt. yet the major structure of the text > > would not change and it is up to the individual astrologer to try to > > interpret what the sages said in the light of principles that are given > > by them and also by astrologers of the time when texts began to be > > written down. > > > > I am sure you and others can do a lot of meaningful research to come to > > some concrete conclusion in this regard. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > respected chandrasekhar ji . > > > > > > Can we say that it depends on how u take it and which scheme . > > > > > > I dont think rishis talk this way .SO either of us is going wrong ( i > > > mean opinions) ,i am after the truth .How we can relate the other > > > results in chart by seeing only tru only jaimini methods with rahu as > > > AK ,like it says AK dasa in chara dasa will be bad ,so we hav to take > > > both AK which is rahu and some other planet and see in so many charts > > > as much as possible and delinate results . > > > > > > I am worried abt the interpolations happened in parasari ,a rishi who > > > might hav written BPHS in BC 3500 atleast and Budhas reference in new > > > testament (budha is vishnu avatar of mercury like this ) . > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope we can do some thing jointly with help of the other members who r > > > not bind by any gurudom slavery tru a reserch . > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > Much will depend on what scheme one prefers. If one considers > > > > Pitrukaraka along with other seven karakas, then Rahu will have to be > > > > considered for Atmakaraka, naturally. There are many opinions on how > > > > rahu is to be used and as Parashara indicates some think that it is to > > > > be used when a charakaraka place falls vacant due to amsha- kala samya > > > > (equal degrees and minutes for two grahas). There are too many opinions > > > > and one has to find one's own way around Chara karaka. By definition > > > the > > > > karaka being variable, there can be no ban on nodes becoming a > > > > charakaraka if one has to consider 8 karakas, then Rahu can > > > certainly be > > > > taken as AK is advanced in degrees traversed and Parashara actually > > > > tells how to see whether Rahu has acquired highest degrees. So the sage > > > > does not seem to suggest any ban on Rahu as AK. > > > > > > > > I do not have many charts with AK being rahu and occupying lagna and > > > > navamsha lagna. > > > > > > > > take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > > > Respected chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got your point ,My question is that whether the nodes can be > > > > > given any chara karakatwa .I would like to know ur personal opinion > > > > > also .Even i used many times rahu as AK even i discussed many charts > > > > > with rahu as AK .But i feel some where we r missing .It cannot be > > > both > > > > > 7 karaka and 8 karaka scheme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in lagna and in navamsa > > > > > lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in this group has pls let > > > > > me know the chart with some back ground information .here i am > > > looking > > > > > for charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini has said that Ak in > > > > > lagna has a purticular result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > It means that " the planet who has traversed most degrees in a > > > rasi is > > > > > > the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some say there are 8 > > > karakas " . > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is from gurus . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Jaimini does talk about " atmaadika kalaadibhirna bhogaH > > > > > > > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaan aaMvaa " vide sutra 11, adhyaaya1, Pada > > > 1, of > > > > > Jaimini > > > > > > > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not just throw that > > > away, > > > > > > > > though my personal opinion may be different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka scheme is absurd and > > > may be > > > > > > > > > an interpolation in astrological treatise . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and other upa grahas > > > > > which r > > > > > > > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this question may arise and > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > points i discussed in previous mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka with 8 chara > > > > > karaka > > > > > > > > > > scheme, option. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear kamal ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul indicater ),imagine > > > sun is > > > > > > > > > > > universal atmakaraka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the other planets in chart derive all power from sun > > > > > ,so only > > > > > > > > > > > planets with physical bodies can become atmakarak or > > > > > derive power > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " Vedic > > > > > Learner " > > > > > > > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like me. I have friend > > > who has > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and Debilitated and > > > > > retro in > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends daughter > > > who has > > > > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in Capricorn (own > > > > > > > house and > > > > > > > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different results should the girls > > > > > chart > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > better results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail I looked at > > > both the > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and daughter > > > have > > > > > > > Rahu as > > > > > > > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection of > > > chart but > > > > > > > find that > > > > > > > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will expect on probability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is is it just chance or slow moving planets > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar people close to > > > me who > > > > > > > have same > > > > > > > > > > > inner desires. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Atmakaraka and amatyakaraka combination causes a yoga similar dharma-karmadhipathi yoga Sridhar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > There is no harm in trying to find out which is the right approach to > the number of charakaraks. > > K.N. Rao does not use his own chara dasha, rather he uses his > interpretation of how chara dashas should be calculated. So KNR is not > against Parashari techniques as is thought by you. > > By the way a raj yoga is caused when AK and PutraKaraka join, preferably > in Lagna, 5th bhava, in exaltation or own rasi or own navamsha and not > when AK and Amatyakaraka join, if my memory serves me right. > > I have always held that mere memorizing of yogas without understanding > the astrological logic that leads to the results, attributed to them, > may not allow one to come to any positive conclusion about what may > happen to the jataka in future when analyzing a real life chart. > > Chandrashekhar. > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > respected chandra sekhar ji , > > > > > > > > Yes ,i wanted to see and more inquisive becuse i find many of my > > frnds including lalit s Ak is rahu in 8 karaka scheme .And some other > > planets in 7 karaka scheme . > > > > > > > > So i thought of enquiring in our way than just following some wriiten > > or available books .Even K N rao he uses a chara dasa of his own > > versions which is against parasari itself though i am yet to master > > the techniqs .I find many horoscopes which go against dictums .For eg > > >AK and AMK conjn gives raja yoga like this is not working in some > > personal life .I find such chart as its a small girls chart the dasa > > was of planets in lagna in chara dasa and this small girl is showing > > as if possesssed by ghosts .And his father is small labourer and no > > raja yogas. > > > > > > > > Becuse both cannot be true . > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > Rahu as AK in lagna is certain to give the person quite a bit of self > > > confidence, and perhaps a healthy body, as he is AK. Much will also > > > depend on the rasi occupied and the grahas conjunct. In the case where > > > it aspects you have not specified whether you are talking about rasi > > > aspect or graha aspect. When Rahu is conjunct AK, much depends on which > > > planet he is conjoining. With Sun it could indicate harm from snake > > bite. > > > > > > I have already indicated what is the significance of any planet who is > > > also AK in lagna. > > > > > > Sanjay has stated a principle, from his parampara, but no principle of > > > astrology can be applied in isolation. You have to consider what he has > > > said elsewhere to understand the likely effect of such a position of AK. > > > > > > Of course this is my personal opinion and other learned astrologers may > > > hold a different view. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > Vedic Learner wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil and Chadra Shekar > > > > > > > > I have two charts with Rahu as AK and in lagna in rasi not nvasma and > > > > further two aspecting and with AK. > > > > > > > > Pl tell what is the significance of Rahu as AK and in Lagna or for > > > > that matter any planet as AK and in lagna either Rashi or Navamsa > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath states if # > > > > > > > > If AK is in navamsa Lagna, the native belongs to a royal family/ is of > > > > > > > > noble birth and lineage. If navamsa Lagna Lord conjoins AK, then the > > > > native, > > > > > > > > although of humble origin shall rise to a high rank equal to a king. > > > > If the AK > > > > > > > > aspects navamsa Lagna, then Royal association shall be present > > from birth. > > > > > > > > The natural karaka of 1st house (Sun) should be strong to indicate > > the > > > > extent > > > > > > > > of Rajyoga.# > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > ka > > > > > > > > - > > > > ** Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@ > > > > *To:* Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:23 PM > > > > *Subject:* Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Vakri planets and > > > > Atamakarka > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > Much will depend on what scheme one prefers. If one considers > > > > Pitrukaraka along with other seven karakas, then Rahu will have to > > > > be considered for Atmakaraka, naturally. There are many opinions > > > > on how rahu is to be used and as Parashara indicates some think > > > > that it is to be used when a charakaraka place falls vacant due to > > > > amsha-kala samya (equal degrees and minutes for two grahas). There > > > > are too many opinions and one has to find one's own way around > > > > Chara karaka. By definition the karaka being variable, there can > > > > be no ban on nodes becoming a charakaraka if one has to consider 8 > > > > karakas, then Rahu can certainly be taken as AK is advanced in > > > > degrees traversed and Parashara actually tells how to see whether > > > > Rahu has acquired highest degrees. So the sage does not seem to > > > > suggest any ban on Rahu as AK. > > > > > > > > I do not have many charts with AK being rahu and occupying lagna > > > > and navamsha lagna. > > > > > > > > take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > >> hare ramakrishna, > > > >> > > > >> Respected chandra sekhar ji . > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I got your point ,My question is that whether the nodes > > > >> can be given any chara karakatwa .I would like to know ur > > > >> personal opinion also .Even i used many times rahu as AK even i > > > >> discussed many charts with rahu as AK .But i feel some where we r > > > >> missing .It cannot be both 7 karaka and 8 karaka scheme. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in lagna and in navamsa > > > >> lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in this group has pls > > > >> let me know the chart with some back ground information .here i > > > >> am looking for charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini has > > > >> said that Ak in lagna has a purticular result. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> regrds sunil nair. > > > >> > > > >> om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > > > >> <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Dear Sunil, > > > >> > It means that " the planet who has traversed most degrees in a > > > >> rasi is > > > >> > the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some say there are 8 > > > >> karakas " . > > > >> > Chandrashekhar. > > > >> > > > > >> > sunil nair wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Hare ramakrishna > > > >> > > > > > >> > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is from gurus . > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation > > > >> > > > > > >> > > regrds sunil nair > > > >> > > > > > >> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > >> Chandrashekhar > > > >> > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Dear Sunil, > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > But Jaimini does talk about " atmaadika kalaadibhirna bhogaH > > > >> > > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaan aaMvaa " vide sutra 11, adhyaaya1, Pada > > > >> 1, of Jaimini > > > >> > > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not just throw > > > >> that away, > > > >> > > > though my personal opinion may be different. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Hare krishna, > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka scheme is absurd and > > > >> may be > > > >> > > > > an interpolation in astrological treatise . > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and other upa > > > >> grahas which r > > > >> > > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this question may arise and > > > >> important > > > >> > > > > points i discussed in previous mail > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > >> Chandrashekhar > > > >> > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka with 8 > > > >> chara karaka > > > >> > > > > > scheme, option. > > > >> > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear kamal ji . > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul indicater ),imagine > > > >> sun is > > > >> > > > > > > universal atmakaraka > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > and the other planets in chart derive all power from > > > >> sun ,so only > > > >> > > > > > > planets with physical bodies can become atmakarak or > > > >> derive power > > > >> > > > > from > > > >> > > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > >> " Vedic Learner " > > > >> > > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like me. I have friend > > > >> who has > > > >> > > Saturn > > > >> > > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and Debilitated > > > >> and retro in > > > >> > > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends > > > >> daughter who has > > > >> > > > > exalted > > > >> > > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in Capricorn > > > >> (own > > > >> > > house and > > > >> > > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different results should the > > > >> girls chart > > > >> > > have > > > >> > > > > > > better results. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail I looked at > > > >> both the > > > >> > > charts > > > >> > > > > and > > > >> > > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and > > > >> daughter have > > > >> > > Rahu as > > > >> > > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection of > > > >> chart but > > > >> > > find that > > > >> > > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will expect on probability. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > My question is is it just chance or slow moving > > > >> planets are more > > > >> > > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar people close to > > > >> me who > > > >> > > have same > > > >> > > > > > > inner desires. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sincerely > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > kamal > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Dear Lalit, Yes the incarnation of Mercury is Vishnu. sushil dikshit Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > Dear Kamal, > > If Jagan Nath Centre says like what u r have put, I m sure Jagan Nath > Centre has also not understand the reference to Budha in the BPHS. > > One should avoid cooking up justifications. > > regards, > Lalit Mishra > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , KAMAL SAHNI > <sightsolutions@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil an Chandra Shekar > > > > I had asked same question about Budha Avatar. I friend from Jagan > nath centre gave me this answer > > > > # > > Budha is not the same as Buddha, the incarnation of the Lord. > Budha is not an incarnation of the Lord, it's the Sanskrit name for > Mercury, and he is the son of the Moon with Tara, the wife of > Jupiter, Brhaspati. The incarnation for Mercury is Vishnu! > > # > > > > I do not understand fully Learned may add > > > > kamal > > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > > > The science was supposed to be transmitted in Guru to shishya > parampara no doubt. That was to stop it falling into the hands of the > unscrupulous. However the Gurus did, through their shishyas leave a > vast wealth of knowledge which was carried by great feats of memory > through constant verbal recital. Some texts could have got corrupted > in transmission and as you have said that since the Gurus to explain > and check the accuracy were no longer there, they appear to have left > gaps in knowledge. > > > > However we have to understand that in the voluminous texts or > shlokas that they left behind there is great deal of principles that > are talked about and if we unravel the principles, it is not > difficult to understood what could be corruption and what is the > original text. > > > > As to Buddha avatar being equated to Gautam Buddha, I have my > reservations. I do not think they are the same person. If memory > serves me right the Buddha referred to in Avatara is Sugata Buddha > was born around 1500 B.C. in Bodhi gaya (Kikata) to Anjana and is not > the Siddhartha Gautam Buddha who was born at Kapilavastu (563BC). > > > > Anyway, Parashara makes it clear as to when the text was > told/written when he says that Kalpadruma yoga in these days is in > the chart of Yudhishthira and shall, in future, appear in the chart > of Shalivahana. So your contention of we having no knowledge of > prebuddha period jyotish is not perhaps correct. There is also > jyotish taught to sage Narada by sage Sanandana and then there is > Atharva Jyotish. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > sunil nair wrote: Hare ramakrishna > > respected chandra sekhar ji , > > > > yes sages left lot of gaps for us to fill ourself .And many > books lost its originality as the real guru parampara is lost as a > parampara guru is representing a tradition of 10 or 15 thousand years > of flow of knowledge and testing with practical life and they know > the rules and riders and exceptions .After destruction of gurukula > system and classical style of learning now many things we r not > getting proper answers . > > > > As regrds to parasara period --budha born in 500BC and even our > indus valley civilisation in showing many vedic devatas and yoga > postures and a vastu frndly city .That means we hav knowldege abt the > jyothish pre budha period ,so in modern version of parasari how budha > s reference came .it shows some additions happened .And even baqyaya > saab said he has a copy of BPHS which has more slokas than what > available in market if my memeory is correct . > > > > lack of support from public and any agencies we r realy > sufferring even in collecting and reserching and data compilation and > as a professional astrologer myself ,i find even a wel placed > business man will happily consult u wihout paying anything were as > all granthas says even gurus need not ask money but ppl has to or > must pay dakhsina means some thing which is max of their > capacity .They forget to support a noble system which is realy useful > for them . > > > > oh ,i crossed the context of our discussion > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > The sages do talk about what others say without commenting on it, > > > implying that you may take it or use their own parameters. So > they do > > > talk about it in that manner. > > > > > > My personal opinion is that unlike astrologers of the modern > times, the > > > rishis never claimed that their opinion on the divine science is > the > > > last one and inviolate. That is why they gave first other's > opinion with > > > due respect and then their own. They left it to the seeker of > knowledge > > > to find out for himself which opinion he finds suits his way of > > > interpretation of charts. That must have been done with a reason > that > > > was sound enough. > > > > > > Many parameters of dasha vis-a-vis charakarakas have modern > origin and > > > no supporting classic text to support that premise. So a blanket > > > statement that AK dasha in chara dasha is always bad, may not be > > > strictly correct. > > > > > > I have not understood the reference to new testament and its > connection > > > to Parashara. The texts that were carried down through generation > > > through committing them to memory are likely to have undergone > some > > > unintentional corruption, no doubt. yet the major structure of > the text > > > would not change and it is up to the individual astrologer to try > to > > > interpret what the sages said in the light of principles that are > given > > > by them and also by astrologers of the time when texts began to > be > > > written down. > > > > > > I am sure you and others can do a lot of meaningful research to > come to > > > some concrete conclusion in this regard. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > respected chandrasekhar ji . > > > > > > > > Can we say that it depends on how u take it and which scheme . > > > > > > > > I dont think rishis talk this way .SO either of us is going > wrong ( i > > > > mean opinions) ,i am after the truth .How we can relate the > other > > > > results in chart by seeing only tru only jaimini methods with > rahu as > > > > AK ,like it says AK dasa in chara dasa will be bad ,so we hav > to take > > > > both AK which is rahu and some other planet and see in so many > charts > > > > as much as possible and delinate results . > > > > > > > > I am worried abt the interpolations happened in parasari ,a > rishi who > > > > might hav written BPHS in BC 3500 atleast and Budhas reference > in new > > > > testament (budha is vishnu avatar of mercury like this ) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope we can do some thing jointly with help of the other > members who r > > > > not bind by any gurudom slavery tru a reserch . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > Much will depend on what scheme one prefers. If one considers > > > > > Pitrukaraka along with other seven karakas, then Rahu will > have to be > > > > > considered for Atmakaraka, naturally. There are many opinions > on how > > > > > rahu is to be used and as Parashara indicates some think that > it is to > > > > > be used when a charakaraka place falls vacant due to amsha- > kala samya > > > > > (equal degrees and minutes for two grahas). There are too > many opinions > > > > > and one has to find one's own way around Chara karaka. By > definition > > > > the > > > > > karaka being variable, there can be no ban on nodes becoming a > > > > > charakaraka if one has to consider 8 karakas, then Rahu can > > > > certainly be > > > > > taken as AK is advanced in degrees traversed and Parashara > actually > > > > > tells how to see whether Rahu has acquired highest degrees. > So the sage > > > > > does not seem to suggest any ban on Rahu as AK. > > > > > > > > > > I do not have many charts with AK being rahu and occupying > lagna and > > > > > navamsha lagna. > > > > > > > > > > take care, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got your point ,My question is that whether the nodes can > be > > > > > > given any chara karakatwa .I would like to know ur personal > opinion > > > > > > also .Even i used many times rahu as AK even i discussed > many charts > > > > > > with rahu as AK .But i feel some where we r missing .It > cannot be > > > > both > > > > > > 7 karaka and 8 karaka scheme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in lagna and in > navamsa > > > > > > lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in this group > has pls let > > > > > > me know the chart with some back ground information .here i > am > > > > looking > > > > > > for charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini has said > that Ak in > > > > > > lagna has a purticular result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > It means that " the planet who has traversed most degrees > in a > > > > rasi is > > > > > > > the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some say there > are 8 > > > > karakas " . > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is from > gurus . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Jaimini does talk about " atmaadika kalaadibhirna > bhogaH > > > > > > > > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaan aaMvaa " vide sutra 11, adhyaaya1, > Pada > > > > 1, of > > > > > > Jaimini > > > > > > > > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not just > throw that > > > > away, > > > > > > > > > though my personal opinion may be different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka scheme is > absurd and > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > an interpolation in astrological treatise . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and other > upa grahas > > > > > > which r > > > > > > > > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this question may > arise and > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > points i discussed in previous mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka > with 8 chara > > > > > > karaka > > > > > > > > > > > scheme, option. > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear kamal ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul > indicater ),imagine > > > > sun is > > > > > > > > > > > > universal atmakaraka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the other planets in chart derive all power > from sun > > > > > > ,so only > > > > > > > > > > > > planets with physical bodies can become > atmakarak or > > > > > > derive power > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > s.com, " Vedic > > > > > > Learner " > > > > > > > > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like me. I have > friend > > > > who has > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and > Debilitated and > > > > > > retro in > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends > daughter > > > > who has > > > > > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in > Capricorn (own > > > > > > > > house and > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different results should > the girls > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > better results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail I looked > at > > > > both the > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and > daughter > > > > have > > > > > > > > Rahu as > > > > > > > > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection > of > > > > chart but > > > > > > > > find that > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will expect on > probability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is is it just chance or slow > moving planets > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar people > close to > > > > me who > > > > > > > > have same > > > > > > > > > > > > inner desires. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good > this month. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Dear Kamal, Perhaps your friend confused Budha with Buddha. The two are different. That may be on account of not knowing the difference. I assume your friend is European. Chandrashekhar. KAMAL SAHNI wrote: Dear Sunil an Chandra Shekar I had asked same question about Budha Avatar. I friend from Jagan nath centre gave me this answer # Budha is not the same as Buddha, the incarnation of the Lord. Budha is not an incarnation of the Lord, it's the Sanskrit name for Mercury, and he is the son of the Moon with Tara, the wife of Jupiter, Brhaspati. The incarnation for Mercury is Vishnu! # I do not understand fully Learned may add kamal Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Sunil, The science was supposed to be transmitted in Guru to shishya parampara no doubt. That was to stop it falling into the hands of the unscrupulous. However the Gurus did, through their shishyas leave a vast wealth of knowledge which was carried by great feats of memory through constant verbal recital. Some texts could have got corrupted in transmission and as you have said that since the Gurus to explain and check the accuracy were no longer there, they appear to have left gaps in knowledge. However we have to understand that in the voluminous texts or shlokas that they left behind there is great deal of principles that are talked about and if we unravel the principles, it is not difficult to understood what could be corruption and what is the original text. As to Buddha avatar being equated to Gautam Buddha, I have my reservations. I do not think they are the same person. If memory serves me right the Buddha referred to in Avatara is Sugata Buddha was born around 1500 B.C. in Bodhi gaya (Kikata) to Anjana and is not the Siddhartha Gautam Buddha who was born at Kapilavastu (563BC). Anyway, Parashara makes it clear as to when the text was told/written when he says that Kalpadruma yoga in these days is in the chart of Yudhishthira and shall, in future, appear in the chart of Shalivahana. So your contention of we having no knowledge of prebuddha period jyotish is not perhaps correct. There is also jyotish taught to sage Narada by sage Sanandana and then there is Atharva Jyotish. Take care, Chandrashekhar. sunil nair wrote: Hare ramakrishna respected chandra sekhar ji , yes sages left lot of gaps for us to fill ourself .And many books lost its originality as the real guru parampara is lost as a parampara guru is representing a tradition of 10 or 15 thousand years of flow of knowledge and testing with practical life and they know the rules and riders and exceptions .After destruction of gurukula system and classical style of learning now many things we r not getting proper answers . As regrds to parasara period --budha born in 500BC and even our indus valley civilisation in showing many vedic devatas and yoga postures and a vastu frndly city .That means we hav knowldege abt the jyothish pre budha period ,so in modern version of parasari how budha s reference came .it shows some additions happened .And even baqyaya saab said he has a copy of BPHS which has more slokas than what available in market if my memeory is correct . lack of support from public and any agencies we r realy sufferring even in collecting and reserching and data compilation and as a professional astrologer myself ,i find even a wel placed business man will happily consult u wihout paying anything were as all granthas says even gurus need not ask money but ppl has to or must pay dakhsina means some thing which is max of their capacity .They forget to support a noble system which is realy useful for them . oh ,i crossed the context of our discussion regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > The sages do talk about what others say without commenting on it, > implying that you may take it or use their own parameters. So they do > talk about it in that manner. > > My personal opinion is that unlike astrologers of the modern times, the > rishis never claimed that their opinion on the divine science is the > last one and inviolate. That is why they gave first other's opinion with > due respect and then their own. They left it to the seeker of knowledge > to find out for himself which opinion he finds suits his way of > interpretation of charts. That must have been done with a reason that > was sound enough. > > Many parameters of dasha vis-a-vis charakarakas have modern origin and > no supporting classic text to support that premise. So a blanket > statement that AK dasha in chara dasha is always bad, may not be > strictly correct. > > I have not understood the reference to new testament and its connection > to Parashara. The texts that were carried down through generation > through committing them to memory are likely to have undergone some > unintentional corruption, no doubt. yet the major structure of the text > would not change and it is up to the individual astrologer to try to > interpret what the sages said in the light of principles that are given > by them and also by astrologers of the time when texts began to be > written down. > > I am sure you and others can do a lot of meaningful research to come to > some concrete conclusion in this regard. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > respected chandrasekhar ji . > > > > Can we say that it depends on how u take it and which scheme . > > > > I dont think rishis talk this way .SO either of us is going wrong ( i > > mean opinions) ,i am after the truth .How we can relate the other > > results in chart by seeing only tru only jaimini methods with rahu as > > AK ,like it says AK dasa in chara dasa will be bad ,so we hav to take > > both AK which is rahu and some other planet and see in so many charts > > as much as possible and delinate results . > > > > I am worried abt the interpolations happened in parasari ,a rishi who > > might hav written BPHS in BC 3500 atleast and Budhas reference in new > > testament (budha is vishnu avatar of mercury like this ) . > > > > > > > > Hope we can do some thing jointly with help of the other members who r > > not bind by any gurudom slavery tru a reserch . > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > Much will depend on what scheme one prefers. If one considers > > > Pitrukaraka along with other seven karakas, then Rahu will have to be > > > considered for Atmakaraka, naturally. There are many opinions on how > > > rahu is to be used and as Parashara indicates some think that it is to > > > be used when a charakaraka place falls vacant due to amsha-kala samya > > > (equal degrees and minutes for two grahas). There are too many opinions > > > and one has to find one's own way around Chara karaka. By definition > > the > > > karaka being variable, there can be no ban on nodes becoming a > > > charakaraka if one has to consider 8 karakas, then Rahu can > > certainly be > > > taken as AK is advanced in degrees traversed and Parashara actually > > > tells how to see whether Rahu has acquired highest degrees. So the sage > > > does not seem to suggest any ban on Rahu as AK. > > > > > > I do not have many charts with AK being rahu and occupying lagna and > > > navamsha lagna. > > > > > > take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > Respected chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got your point ,My question is that whether the nodes can be > > > > given any chara karakatwa .I would like to know ur personal opinion > > > > also .Even i used many times rahu as AK even i discussed many charts > > > > with rahu as AK .But i feel some where we r missing ..It cannot be > > both > > > > 7 karaka and 8 karaka scheme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in lagna and in navamsa > > > > lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in this group has pls let > > > > me know the chart with some back ground information ..here i am > > looking > > > > for charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini has said that Ak in > > > > lagna has a purticular result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > It means that "the planet who has traversed most degrees in a > > rasi is > > > > > the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some say there are 8 > > karakas". > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is from gurus . > > > > > > > > > > > > Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Jaimini does talk about"atmaadika kalaadibhirna bhogaH > > > > > > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaan aaMvaa" vide sutra 11, adhyaaya1, Pada > > 1, of > > > > Jaimini > > > > > > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not just throw that > > away, > > > > > > > though my personal opinion may be different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka scheme is absurd and > > may be > > > > > > > > an interpolation in astrological treatise . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and other upa grahas > > > > which r > > > > > > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this question may arise and > > > > important > > > > > > > > points i discussed in previous mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka with 8 chara > > > > karaka > > > > > > > > > scheme, option. > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear kamal ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul indicater ),imagine > > sun is > > > > > > > > > > universal atmakaraka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the other planets in chart derive all power from sun > > > > ,so only > > > > > > > > > > planets with physical bodies can become atmakarak or > > > > derive power > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Vedic > > > > Learner" > > > > > > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like me. I have friend > > who has > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and Debilitated and > > > > retro in > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends daughter > > who has > > > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in Capricorn (own > > > > > > house and > > > > > > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different results should the girls > > > > chart > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > better results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail I looked at > > both the > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and daughter > > have > > > > > > Rahu as > > > > > > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection of > > chart but > > > > > > find that > > > > > > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will expect on probability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is is it just chance or slow moving planets > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar people close to > > me who > > > > > > have same > > > > > > > > > > inner desires. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 No Sushil Ji, If it's there in astrology, astrology is wrong. Lord Vishnu's incarnation may be buddha, however, it's also doubtful, coz.. 1. Neither in Vishnu Puran nor in Ram Charit Manas, mercurry (budha) is mentioned as incarnation of Lord Vishnu. 2. In the baudh dharama, there are hundreds of the stories of budha's previous births before he finally born as budha, pls. refer to Jatak Kathaa's. So, Gautam Budh can't be visnu's avtaar, if any one can be an avtaar, he is greart sage Shankaracharya. Budha and modern Osho, they got confused at a level of spirituality and didnt understand the truth, their personal conduct may be charishmatic, but pls. look at what happened to thir followers. what followers did. Gautam Budhha, like osho, even doesn't tell the name of his guru to world. this is ridiculous, a person who claims to become guru, doesn't tell others who was his own guru. Look at the end of Gautam Buddha, and try to understand the hidden ambitions in his mind. the one who tries to expand his religion can never be an avtaar. avtaar kbnows all are his own expressions only, he neeed not expand his religion. regards, Lalit Mishra. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Sushil Dikshit " <sushil.dikshit wrote: > > > Dear Lalit, > > Yes the incarnation of Mercury is Vishnu. > > sushil dikshit > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kamal, > > > > If Jagan Nath Centre says like what u r have put, I m sure Jagan > Nath > > Centre has also not understand the reference to Budha in the BPHS. > > > > One should avoid cooking up justifications. > > > > regards, > > Lalit Mishra > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , KAMAL SAHNI > > <sightsolutions@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil an Chandra Shekar > > > > > > I had asked same question about Budha Avatar. I friend from > Jagan > > nath centre gave me this answer > > > > > > # > > > Budha is not the same as Buddha, the incarnation of the Lord. > > Budha is not an incarnation of the Lord, it's the Sanskrit name for > > Mercury, and he is the son of the Moon with Tara, the wife of > > Jupiter, Brhaspati. The incarnation for Mercury is Vishnu! > > > # > > > > > > I do not understand fully Learned may add > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > The science was supposed to be transmitted in Guru to shishya > > parampara no doubt. That was to stop it falling into the hands of > the > > unscrupulous. However the Gurus did, through their shishyas leave a > > vast wealth of knowledge which was carried by great feats of memory > > through constant verbal recital. Some texts could have got > corrupted > > in transmission and as you have said that since the Gurus to > explain > > and check the accuracy were no longer there, they appear to have > left > > gaps in knowledge. > > > > > > However we have to understand that in the voluminous texts or > > shlokas that they left behind there is great deal of principles > that > > are talked about and if we unravel the principles, it is not > > difficult to understood what could be corruption and what is the > > original text. > > > > > > As to Buddha avatar being equated to Gautam Buddha, I have my > > reservations. I do not think they are the same person. If memory > > serves me right the Buddha referred to in Avatara is Sugata Buddha > > was born around 1500 B.C. in Bodhi gaya (Kikata) to Anjana and is > not > > the Siddhartha Gautam Buddha who was born at Kapilavastu (563BC). > > > > > > Anyway, Parashara makes it clear as to when the text was > > told/written when he says that Kalpadruma yoga in these days is in > > the chart of Yudhishthira and shall, in future, appear in the chart > > of Shalivahana. So your contention of we having no knowledge of > > prebuddha period jyotish is not perhaps correct. There is also > > jyotish taught to sage Narada by sage Sanandana and then there is > > Atharva Jyotish. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > sunil nair wrote: Hare ramakrishna > > > respected chandra sekhar ji , > > > > > > yes sages left lot of gaps for us to fill ourself .And many > > books lost its originality as the real guru parampara is lost as a > > parampara guru is representing a tradition of 10 or 15 thousand > years > > of flow of knowledge and testing with practical life and they know > > the rules and riders and exceptions .After destruction of gurukula > > system and classical style of learning now many things we r not > > getting proper answers . > > > > > > As regrds to parasara period --budha born in 500BC and even our > > indus valley civilisation in showing many vedic devatas and yoga > > postures and a vastu frndly city .That means we hav knowldege abt > the > > jyothish pre budha period ,so in modern version of parasari how > budha > > s reference came .it shows some additions happened .And even > baqyaya > > saab said he has a copy of BPHS which has more slokas than what > > available in market if my memeory is correct . > > > > > > lack of support from public and any agencies we r realy > > sufferring even in collecting and reserching and data compilation > and > > as a professional astrologer myself ,i find even a wel placed > > business man will happily consult u wihout paying anything were as > > all granthas says even gurus need not ask money but ppl has to or > > must pay dakhsina means some thing which is max of their > > capacity .They forget to support a noble system which is realy > useful > > for them . > > > > > > oh ,i crossed the context of our discussion > > > regrds sunil nair > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > The sages do talk about what others say without commenting on > it, > > > > implying that you may take it or use their own parameters. So > > they do > > > > talk about it in that manner. > > > > > > > > My personal opinion is that unlike astrologers of the modern > > times, the > > > > rishis never claimed that their opinion on the divine science > is > > the > > > > last one and inviolate. That is why they gave first other's > > opinion with > > > > due respect and then their own. They left it to the seeker of > > knowledge > > > > to find out for himself which opinion he finds suits his way of > > > > interpretation of charts. That must have been done with a > reason > > that > > > > was sound enough. > > > > > > > > Many parameters of dasha vis-a-vis charakarakas have modern > > origin and > > > > no supporting classic text to support that premise. So a > blanket > > > > statement that AK dasha in chara dasha is always bad, may not > be > > > > strictly correct. > > > > > > > > I have not understood the reference to new testament and its > > connection > > > > to Parashara. The texts that were carried down through > generation > > > > through committing them to memory are likely to have undergone > > some > > > > unintentional corruption, no doubt. yet the major structure of > > the text > > > > would not change and it is up to the individual astrologer to > try > > to > > > > interpret what the sages said in the light of principles that > are > > given > > > > by them and also by astrologers of the time when texts began to > > be > > > > written down. > > > > > > > > I am sure you and others can do a lot of meaningful research to > > come to > > > > some concrete conclusion in this regard. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > > > respected chandrasekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > Can we say that it depends on how u take it and which scheme . > > > > > > > > > > I dont think rishis talk this way .SO either of us is going > > wrong ( i > > > > > mean opinions) ,i am after the truth .How we can relate the > > other > > > > > results in chart by seeing only tru only jaimini methods with > > rahu as > > > > > AK ,like it says AK dasa in chara dasa will be bad ,so we hav > > to take > > > > > both AK which is rahu and some other planet and see in so > many > > charts > > > > > as much as possible and delinate results . > > > > > > > > > > I am worried abt the interpolations happened in parasari ,a > > rishi who > > > > > might hav written BPHS in BC 3500 atleast and Budhas > reference > > in new > > > > > testament (budha is vishnu avatar of mercury like this ) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope we can do some thing jointly with help of the other > > members who r > > > > > not bind by any gurudom slavery tru a reserch . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > Chandrashekhar > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > Much will depend on what scheme one prefers. If one > considers > > > > > > Pitrukaraka along with other seven karakas, then Rahu will > > have to be > > > > > > considered for Atmakaraka, naturally. There are many > opinions > > on how > > > > > > rahu is to be used and as Parashara indicates some think > that > > it is to > > > > > > be used when a charakaraka place falls vacant due to amsha- > > kala samya > > > > > > (equal degrees and minutes for two grahas). There are too > > many opinions > > > > > > and one has to find one's own way around Chara karaka. By > > definition > > > > > the > > > > > > karaka being variable, there can be no ban on nodes > becoming a > > > > > > charakaraka if one has to consider 8 karakas, then Rahu can > > > > > certainly be > > > > > > taken as AK is advanced in degrees traversed and Parashara > > actually > > > > > > tells how to see whether Rahu has acquired highest degrees. > > So the sage > > > > > > does not seem to suggest any ban on Rahu as AK. > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not have many charts with AK being rahu and occupying > > lagna and > > > > > > navamsha lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > take care, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got your point ,My question is that whether the nodes > can > > be > > > > > > > given any chara karakatwa .I would like to know ur > personal > > opinion > > > > > > > also .Even i used many times rahu as AK even i discussed > > many charts > > > > > > > with rahu as AK .But i feel some where we r missing .It > > cannot be > > > > > both > > > > > > > 7 karaka and 8 karaka scheme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in lagna and in > > navamsa > > > > > > > lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in this group > > has pls let > > > > > > > me know the chart with some back ground information .here > i > > am > > > > > looking > > > > > > > for charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini has said > > that Ak in > > > > > > > lagna has a purticular result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > It means that " the planet who has traversed most > degrees > > in a > > > > > rasi is > > > > > > > > the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some say > there > > are 8 > > > > > karakas " . > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is from > > gurus . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Jaimini does talk about " atmaadika kalaadibhirna > > bhogaH > > > > > > > > > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaan aaMvaa " vide sutra 11, > adhyaaya1, > > Pada > > > > > 1, of > > > > > > > Jaimini > > > > > > > > > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not just > > throw that > > > > > away, > > > > > > > > > > though my personal opinion may be different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka scheme is > > absurd and > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > an interpolation in astrological treatise . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and other > > upa grahas > > > > > > > which r > > > > > > > > > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this question may > > arise and > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > points i discussed in previous mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > s.com, > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka > > with 8 chara > > > > > > > karaka > > > > > > > > > > > > scheme, option. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear kamal ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul > > indicater ),imagine > > > > > sun is > > > > > > > > > > > > > universal atmakaraka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the other planets in chart derive all > power > > from sun > > > > > > > ,so only > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets with physical bodies can become > > atmakarak or > > > > > > > derive power > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > s.com, " Vedic > > > > > > > Learner " > > > > > > > > > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like me. I > have > > friend > > > > > who has > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and > > Debilitated and > > > > > > > retro in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends > > daughter > > > > > who has > > > > > > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in > > Capricorn (own > > > > > > > > > house and > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different results > should > > the girls > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > better results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail I > looked > > at > > > > > both the > > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and > > daughter > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > Rahu as > > > > > > > > > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big > collection > > of > > > > > chart but > > > > > > > > > find that > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will expect on > > probability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is is it just chance or slow > > moving planets > > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar people > > close to > > > > > me who > > > > > > > > > have same > > > > > > > > > > > > > inner desires. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For > Good > > this month. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Dear Lalit jee , I while ago when I started reading BPHS and in the chapter on incarnations. It mentioned that Graha as avatars of Vishnu. I question to my Guru from Jagan Nath Centre was Gautam Budha is only less than 2500 years old and thsese texts are older than that how can this same Budha represnting Mercury. And also Lord Krsna avatar came 5134+ what ever was life of Lord Krsna. Budha being the ninths avatar should be less than that. I donot know which Yug did Budha appered also. When you listen to Sanjay rath lecture he does not clarify who exactly was Budha s Mercuery's Vishu avatar. I will like some more knowlege from seniors. Comming to Osho, Jesus or Mohamed and lot other prophets equation with Vishnu avatar. I believe should be made to Kaliki who we all believe is yet to come. As all say after of the apperance Kaliki Pralaya or Quamat or Armagadden will come. Who know Kaliki has arrive or when will arrive. But in Orissa there is temple devoted to kaliki is made where the worshipers believe Kaliki will be housed. Some learned believe it could be another 40000 years. sincerely kamal - litsol Vedic Astrologyandhealing Sunday, October 14, 2007 9:25 AM [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Vakri planets and Atamakarka No Sushil Ji,If it's there in astrology, astrology is wrong.Lord Vishnu's incarnation may be buddha, however, it's also doubtful, coz..1. Neither in Vishnu Puran nor in Ram Charit Manas, mercurry (budha) is mentioned as incarnation of Lord Vishnu.2. In the baudh dharama, there are hundreds of the stories of budha's previous births before he finally born as budha, pls. refer to Jatak Kathaa's. So, Gautam Budh can't be visnu's avtaar, if any one can be an avtaar, he is greart sage Shankaracharya.Budha and modern Osho, they got confused at a level of spirituality and didnt understand the truth, their personal conduct may be charishmatic, but pls. look at what happened to thir followers. what followers did. Gautam Budhha, like osho, even doesn't tell the name of his guru to world. this is ridiculous, a person who claims to become guru, doesn't tell others who was his own guru.Look at the end of Gautam Buddha, and try to understand the hidden ambitions in his mind. the one who tries to expand his religion can never be an avtaar. avtaar kbnows all are his own expressions only, he neeed not expand his religion.regards,Lalit Mishra.Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Sushil Dikshit" <sushil.dikshit wrote:>> > Dear Lalit,> > Yes the incarnation of Mercury is Vishnu.> > sushil dikshit> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol" > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> >> > Dear Kamal,> > > > If Jagan Nath Centre says like what u r have put, I m sure Jagan > Nath > > Centre has also not understand the reference to Budha in the BPHS.> > > > One should avoid cooking up justifications.> > > > regards,> > Lalit Mishra> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , KAMAL SAHNI > > <sightsolutions@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil an Chandra Shekar> > > > > > I had asked same question about Budha Avatar. I friend from > Jagan > > nath centre gave me this answer> > > > > > # > > > Budha is not the same as Buddha, the incarnation of the Lord. > > Budha is not an incarnation of the Lord, it's the Sanskrit name for > > Mercury, and he is the son of the Moon with Tara, the wife of > > Jupiter, Brhaspati. The incarnation for Mercury is Vishnu!> > > #> > > > > > I do not understand fully Learned may add> > > > > > kamal> > > > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > > The science was supposed to be transmitted in Guru to shishya > > parampara no doubt. That was to stop it falling into the hands of > the > > unscrupulous. However the Gurus did, through their shishyas leave a > > vast wealth of knowledge which was carried by great feats of memory > > through constant verbal recital. Some texts could have got > corrupted > > in transmission and as you have said that since the Gurus to > explain > > and check the accuracy were no longer there, they appear to have > left > > gaps in knowledge. > > > > > > However we have to understand that in the voluminous texts or > > shlokas that they left behind there is great deal of principles > that > > are talked about and if we unravel the principles, it is not > > difficult to understood what could be corruption and what is the > > original text.> > > > > > As to Buddha avatar being equated to Gautam Buddha, I have my > > reservations. I do not think they are the same person. If memory > > serves me right the Buddha referred to in Avatara is Sugata Buddha > > was born around 1500 B.C. in Bodhi gaya (Kikata) to Anjana and is > not > > the Siddhartha Gautam Buddha who was born at Kapilavastu (563BC).> > > > > > Anyway, Parashara makes it clear as to when the text was > > told/written when he says that Kalpadruma yoga in these days is in > > the chart of Yudhishthira and shall, in future, appear in the chart > > of Shalivahana. So your contention of we having no knowledge of > > prebuddha period jyotish is not perhaps correct. There is also > > jyotish taught to sage Narada by sage Sanandana and then there is > > Atharva Jyotish.> > > > > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > sunil nair wrote: Hare ramakrishna > > > respected chandra sekhar ji ,> > > > > > yes sages left lot of gaps for us to fill ourself .And many > > books lost its originality as the real guru parampara is lost as a > > parampara guru is representing a tradition of 10 or 15 thousand > years > > of flow of knowledge and testing with practical life and they know > > the rules and riders and exceptions .After destruction of gurukula > > system and classical style of learning now many things we r not > > getting proper answers .> > > > > > As regrds to parasara period --budha born in 500BC and even our > > indus valley civilisation in showing many vedic devatas and yoga > > postures and a vastu frndly city .That means we hav knowldege abt > the > > jyothish pre budha period ,so in modern version of parasari how > budha > > s reference came .it shows some additions happened .And even > baqyaya > > saab said he has a copy of BPHS which has more slokas than what > > available in market if my memeory is correct .> > > > > > lack of support from public and any agencies we r realy > > sufferring even in collecting and reserching and data compilation > and > > as a professional astrologer myself ,i find even a wel placed > > business man will happily consult u wihout paying anything were as > > all granthas says even gurus need not ask money but ppl has to or > > must pay dakhsina means some thing which is max of their > > capacity .They forget to support a noble system which is realy > useful > > for them .> > > > > > oh ,i crossed the context of our discussion> > > regrds sunil nair> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > > > > The sages do talk about what others say without commenting on > it, > > > > implying that you may take it or use their own parameters. So > > they do > > > > talk about it in that manner.> > > > > > > > My personal opinion is that unlike astrologers of the modern > > times, the > > > > rishis never claimed that their opinion on the divine science > is > > the > > > > last one and inviolate. That is why they gave first other's > > opinion with > > > > due respect and then their own. They left it to the seeker of > > knowledge > > > > to find out for himself which opinion he finds suits his way of > > > > interpretation of charts. That must have been done with a > reason > > that > > > > was sound enough.> > > > > > > > Many parameters of dasha vis-a-vis charakarakas have modern > > origin and > > > > no supporting classic text to support that premise. So a > blanket > > > > statement that AK dasha in chara dasha is always bad, may not > be > > > > strictly correct.> > > > > > > > I have not understood the reference to new testament and its > > connection > > > > to Parashara. The texts that were carried down through > generation > > > > through committing them to memory are likely to have undergone > > some > > > > unintentional corruption, no doubt. yet the major structure of > > the text > > > > would not change and it is up to the individual astrologer to > try > > to > > > > interpret what the sages said in the light of principles that > are > > given > > > > by them and also by astrologers of the time when texts began to > > be > > > > written down.> > > > > > > > I am sure you and others can do a lot of meaningful research to > > come to > > > > some concrete conclusion in this regard.> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > > >> > > > > respected chandrasekhar ji .> > > > >> > > > > Can we say that it depends on how u take it and which scheme .> > > > >> > > > > I dont think rishis talk this way .SO either of us is going > > wrong ( i > > > > > mean opinions) ,i am after the truth .How we can relate the > > other > > > > > results in chart by seeing only tru only jaimini methods with > > rahu as > > > > > AK ,like it says AK dasa in chara dasa will be bad ,so we hav > > to take > > > > > both AK which is rahu and some other planet and see in so > many > > charts > > > > > as much as possible and delinate results .> > > > >> > > > > I am worried abt the interpolations happened in parasari ,a > > rishi who > > > > > might hav written BPHS in BC 3500 atleast and Budhas > reference > > in new > > > > > testament (budha is vishnu avatar of mercury like this ) .> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Hope we can do some thing jointly with help of the other > > members who r > > > > > not bind by any gurudom slavery tru a reserch .> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > Chandrashekhar > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > >> > > > > > Much will depend on what scheme one prefers. If one > considers> > > > > > Pitrukaraka along with other seven karakas, then Rahu will > > have to be> > > > > > considered for Atmakaraka, naturally. There are many > opinions > > on how> > > > > > rahu is to be used and as Parashara indicates some think > that > > it is to> > > > > > be used when a charakaraka place falls vacant due to amsha-> > kala samya> > > > > > (equal degrees and minutes for two grahas). There are too > > many opinions> > > > > > and one has to find one's own way around Chara karaka. By > > definition > > > > > the> > > > > > karaka being variable, there can be no ban on nodes > becoming a> > > > > > charakaraka if one has to consider 8 karakas, then Rahu can > > > > > certainly be> > > > > > taken as AK is advanced in degrees traversed and Parashara > > actually> > > > > > tells how to see whether Rahu has acquired highest degrees. > > So the sage> > > > > > does not seem to suggest any ban on Rahu as AK.> > > > > >> > > > > > I do not have many charts with AK being rahu and occupying > > lagna and> > > > > > navamsha lagna.> > > > > >> > > > > > take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > hare ramakrishna,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected chandra sekhar ji .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I got your point ,My question is that whether the nodes > can > > be> > > > > > > given any chara karakatwa .I would like to know ur > personal > > opinion> > > > > > > also .Even i used many times rahu as AK even i discussed > > many charts> > > > > > > with rahu as AK .But i feel some where we r missing .It > > cannot be > > > > > both> > > > > > > 7 karaka and 8 karaka scheme.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in lagna and in > > navamsa> > > > > > > lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in this group > > has pls let> > > > > > > me know the chart with some back ground information .here > i > > am > > > > > looking> > > > > > > for charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini has said > > that Ak in> > > > > > > lagna has a purticular result.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > > > > It means that "the planet who has traversed most > degrees > > in a > > > > > rasi is> > > > > > > > the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some say > there > > are 8 > > > > > karakas".> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is from > > gurus .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > But Jaimini does talk about"atmaadika kalaadibhirna > > bhogaH> > > > > > > > > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaan aaMvaa" vide sutra 11, > adhyaaya1, > > Pada > > > > > 1, of> > > > > > > Jaimini> > > > > > > > > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not just > > throw that > > > > > away,> > > > > > > > > > though my personal opinion may be different.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hare krishna,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji .> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka scheme is > > absurd and > > > > > may be> > > > > > > > > > > an interpolation in astrological treatise .> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and other > > upa grahas> > > > > > > which r> > > > > > > > > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this question may > > arise and> > > > > > > important> > > > > > > > > > > points i discussed in previous mail> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > s.com, > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka > > with 8 chara> > > > > > > karaka> > > > > > > > > > > > scheme, option.> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear kamal ji .> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul > > indicater ),imagine > > > > > sun is> > > > > > > > > > > > > universal atmakaraka> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > and the other planets in chart derive all > power > > from sun> > > > > > > ,so only> > > > > > > > > > > > > planets with physical bodies can become > > atmakarak or> > > > > > > derive power> > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > s.com, "Vedic> > > > > > > Learner"> > > > > > > > > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like me. I > have > > friend > > > > > who has> > > > > > > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and > > Debilitated and> > > > > > > retro in> > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends > > daughter > > > > > who has> > > > > > > > > > > exalted> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in > > Capricorn (own> > > > > > > > > house and> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different results > should > > the girls> > > > > > > chart> > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > better results.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail I > looked > > at > > > > > both the> > > > > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and > > daughter > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > Rahu as> > > > > > > > > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big > collection > > of > > > > > chart but> > > > > > > > > find that> > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will expect on > > probability.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is is it just chance or slow > > moving planets> > > > > > > are more> > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar people > > close to > > > > > me who> > > > > > > > > have same> > > > > > > > > > > > > inner desires.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kamal> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For > Good > > this month.> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Dear Kamal jee, I dont wait for Kalki, if required, i w'd like to act like Kalki. you are rightly indicating at some interpolations in BPHS. Instead of finding a justification, Guru's should accept the interpolations. regards, Lalit Mishra. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Vedic Learner " <sightsolutions wrote: > > Dear Lalit jee , > > I while ago when I started reading BPHS and in the chapter on incarnations. It mentioned that Graha as avatars of Vishnu. I question to my Guru from Jagan Nath Centre was Gautam Budha is only less than 2500 years old and thsese texts are older than that how can this same Budha represnting Mercury. And also Lord Krsna avatar came 5134+ what ever was life of Lord Krsna. Budha being the ninths avatar should be less than that. I donot know which Yug did Budha appered also. When you listen to Sanjay rath lecture he does not clarify who exactly was Budha s Mercuery's Vishu avatar. > > I will like some more knowlege from seniors. > > Comming to Osho, Jesus or Mohamed and lot other prophets equation with Vishnu avatar. I believe should be made to Kaliki who we all believe is yet to come. As all say after of the apperance Kaliki Pralaya or Quamat or Armagadden will come. Who know Kaliki has arrive or when will arrive. But in Orissa there is temple devoted to kaliki is made where the worshipers believe Kaliki will be housed. Some learned believe it could be another 40000 years. > > sincerely > > kamal > > > > - > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Sunday, October 14, 2007 9:25 AM > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Vakri planets and Atamakarka > > > No Sushil Ji, > > If it's there in astrology, astrology is wrong. > > Lord Vishnu's incarnation may be buddha, however, it's also > doubtful, coz.. > > 1. Neither in Vishnu Puran nor in Ram Charit Manas, mercurry (budha) > is mentioned as incarnation of Lord Vishnu. > > 2. In the baudh dharama, there are hundreds of the stories of > budha's previous births before he finally born as budha, pls. refer > to Jatak Kathaa's. So, Gautam Budh can't be visnu's avtaar, if any > one can be an avtaar, he is greart sage Shankaracharya. > > Budha and modern Osho, they got confused at a level of spirituality > and didnt understand the truth, their personal conduct may be > charishmatic, but pls. look at what happened to thir followers. what > followers did. Gautam Budhha, like osho, even doesn't tell the name > of his guru to world. this is ridiculous, a person who claims to > become guru, doesn't tell others who was his own guru. > > Look at the end of Gautam Buddha, and try to understand the hidden > ambitions in his mind. the one who tries to expand his religion can > never be an avtaar. avtaar kbnows all are his own expressions only, > he neeed not expand his religion. > > regards, > Lalit Mishra. > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Sushil Dikshit " > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > Yes the incarnation of Mercury is Vishnu. > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kamal, > > > > > > If Jagan Nath Centre says like what u r have put, I m sure Jagan > > Nath > > > Centre has also not understand the reference to Budha in the > BPHS. > > > > > > One should avoid cooking up justifications. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , KAMAL SAHNI > > > <sightsolutions@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil an Chandra Shekar > > > > > > > > I had asked same question about Budha Avatar. I friend from > > Jagan > > > nath centre gave me this answer > > > > > > > > # > > > > Budha is not the same as Buddha, the incarnation of the > Lord. > > > Budha is not an incarnation of the Lord, it's the Sanskrit name > for > > > Mercury, and he is the son of the Moon with Tara, the wife of > > > Jupiter, Brhaspati. The incarnation for Mercury is Vishnu! > > > > # > > > > > > > > I do not understand fully Learned may add > > > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > The science was supposed to be transmitted in Guru to shishya > > > parampara no doubt. That was to stop it falling into the hands > of > > the > > > unscrupulous. However the Gurus did, through their shishyas > leave a > > > vast wealth of knowledge which was carried by great feats of > memory > > > through constant verbal recital. Some texts could have got > > corrupted > > > in transmission and as you have said that since the Gurus to > > explain > > > and check the accuracy were no longer there, they appear to have > > left > > > gaps in knowledge. > > > > > > > > However we have to understand that in the voluminous texts or > > > shlokas that they left behind there is great deal of principles > > that > > > are talked about and if we unravel the principles, it is not > > > difficult to understood what could be corruption and what is the > > > original text. > > > > > > > > As to Buddha avatar being equated to Gautam Buddha, I have my > > > reservations. I do not think they are the same person. If memory > > > serves me right the Buddha referred to in Avatara is Sugata > Buddha > > > was born around 1500 B.C. in Bodhi gaya (Kikata) to Anjana and > is > > not > > > the Siddhartha Gautam Buddha who was born at Kapilavastu (563BC). > > > > > > > > Anyway, Parashara makes it clear as to when the text was > > > told/written when he says that Kalpadruma yoga in these days is > in > > > the chart of Yudhishthira and shall, in future, appear in the > chart > > > of Shalivahana. So your contention of we having no knowledge of > > > prebuddha period jyotish is not perhaps correct. There is also > > > jyotish taught to sage Narada by sage Sanandana and then there > is > > > Atharva Jyotish. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > sunil nair wrote: Hare ramakrishna > > > > respected chandra sekhar ji , > > > > > > > > yes sages left lot of gaps for us to fill ourself .And > many > > > books lost its originality as the real guru parampara is lost as > a > > > parampara guru is representing a tradition of 10 or 15 thousand > > years > > > of flow of knowledge and testing with practical life and they > know > > > the rules and riders and exceptions .After destruction of > gurukula > > > system and classical style of learning now many things we r not > > > getting proper answers . > > > > > > > > As regrds to parasara period --budha born in 500BC and even > our > > > indus valley civilisation in showing many vedic devatas and yoga > > > postures and a vastu frndly city .That means we hav knowldege > abt > > the > > > jyothish pre budha period ,so in modern version of parasari how > > budha > > > s reference came .it shows some additions happened .And even > > baqyaya > > > saab said he has a copy of BPHS which has more slokas than what > > > available in market if my memeory is correct . > > > > > > > > lack of support from public and any agencies we r realy > > > sufferring even in collecting and reserching and data > compilation > > and > > > as a professional astrologer myself ,i find even a wel placed > > > business man will happily consult u wihout paying anything were > as > > > all granthas says even gurus need not ask money but ppl has to > or > > > must pay dakhsina means some thing which is max of their > > > capacity .They forget to support a noble system which is realy > > useful > > > for them . > > > > > > > > oh ,i crossed the context of our discussion > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > The sages do talk about what others say without commenting > on > > it, > > > > > implying that you may take it or use their own parameters. > So > > > they do > > > > > talk about it in that manner. > > > > > > > > > > My personal opinion is that unlike astrologers of the modern > > > times, the > > > > > rishis never claimed that their opinion on the divine > science > > is > > > the > > > > > last one and inviolate. That is why they gave first other's > > > opinion with > > > > > due respect and then their own. They left it to the seeker > of > > > knowledge > > > > > to find out for himself which opinion he finds suits his way > of > > > > > interpretation of charts. That must have been done with a > > reason > > > that > > > > > was sound enough. > > > > > > > > > > Many parameters of dasha vis-a-vis charakarakas have modern > > > origin and > > > > > no supporting classic text to support that premise. So a > > blanket > > > > > statement that AK dasha in chara dasha is always bad, may > not > > be > > > > > strictly correct. > > > > > > > > > > I have not understood the reference to new testament and its > > > connection > > > > > to Parashara. The texts that were carried down through > > generation > > > > > through committing them to memory are likely to have > undergone > > > some > > > > > unintentional corruption, no doubt. yet the major structure > of > > > the text > > > > > would not change and it is up to the individual astrologer > to > > try > > > to > > > > > interpret what the sages said in the light of principles > that > > are > > > given > > > > > by them and also by astrologers of the time when texts began > to > > > be > > > > > written down. > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you and others can do a lot of meaningful research > to > > > come to > > > > > some concrete conclusion in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > respected chandrasekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we say that it depends on how u take it and which > scheme . > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont think rishis talk this way .SO either of us is > going > > > wrong ( i > > > > > > mean opinions) ,i am after the truth .How we can relate > the > > > other > > > > > > results in chart by seeing only tru only jaimini methods > with > > > rahu as > > > > > > AK ,like it says AK dasa in chara dasa will be bad ,so we > hav > > > to take > > > > > > both AK which is rahu and some other planet and see in so > > many > > > charts > > > > > > as much as possible and delinate results . > > > > > > > > > > > > I am worried abt the interpolations happened in > parasari ,a > > > rishi who > > > > > > might hav written BPHS in BC 3500 atleast and Budhas > > reference > > > in new > > > > > > testament (budha is vishnu avatar of mercury like this ) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope we can do some thing jointly with help of the other > > > members who r > > > > > > not bind by any gurudom slavery tru a reserch . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Much will depend on what scheme one prefers. If one > > considers > > > > > > > Pitrukaraka along with other seven karakas, then Rahu > will > > > have to be > > > > > > > considered for Atmakaraka, naturally. There are many > > opinions > > > on how > > > > > > > rahu is to be used and as Parashara indicates some think > > that > > > it is to > > > > > > > be used when a charakaraka place falls vacant due to > amsha- > > > kala samya > > > > > > > (equal degrees and minutes for two grahas). There are > too > > > many opinions > > > > > > > and one has to find one's own way around Chara karaka. > By > > > definition > > > > > > the > > > > > > > karaka being variable, there can be no ban on nodes > > becoming a > > > > > > > charakaraka if one has to consider 8 karakas, then Rahu > can > > > > > > certainly be > > > > > > > taken as AK is advanced in degrees traversed and > Parashara > > > actually > > > > > > > tells how to see whether Rahu has acquired highest > degrees. > > > So the sage > > > > > > > does not seem to suggest any ban on Rahu as AK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not have many charts with AK being rahu and > occupying > > > lagna and > > > > > > > navamsha lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take care, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got your point ,My question is that whether the > nodes > > can > > > be > > > > > > > > given any chara karakatwa .I would like to know ur > > personal > > > opinion > > > > > > > > also .Even i used many times rahu as AK even i > discussed > > > many charts > > > > > > > > with rahu as AK .But i feel some where we r > missing .It > > > cannot be > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > 7 karaka and 8 karaka scheme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in lagna and > in > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in this > group > > > has pls let > > > > > > > > me know the chart with some back ground > information .here > > i > > > am > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > for charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini has > said > > > that Ak in > > > > > > > > lagna has a purticular result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > It means that " the planet who has traversed most > > degrees > > > in a > > > > > > rasi is > > > > > > > > > the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some say > > there > > > are 8 > > > > > > karakas " . > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is > from > > > gurus . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Jaimini does talk about " atmaadika > kalaadibhirna > > > bhogaH > > > > > > > > > > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaan aaMvaa " vide sutra 11, > > adhyaaya1, > > > Pada > > > > > > 1, of > > > > > > > > Jaimini > > > > > > > > > > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not > just > > > throw that > > > > > > away, > > > > > > > > > > > though my personal opinion may be different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka scheme is > > > absurd and > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > an interpolation in astrological treatise . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and > other > > > upa grahas > > > > > > > > which r > > > > > > > > > > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this question > may > > > arise and > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > points i discussed in previous mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > s.com, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara > atmakaraka > > > with 8 chara > > > > > > > > karaka > > > > > > > > > > > > > scheme, option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear kamal ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul > > > indicater ),imagine > > > > > > sun is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universal atmakaraka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the other planets in chart derive all > > power > > > from sun > > > > > > > > ,so only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets with physical bodies can become > > > atmakarak or > > > > > > > > derive power > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > aling@ > > > s.com, " Vedic > > > > > > > > Learner " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like me. I > > have > > > friend > > > > > > who has > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and > > > Debilitated and > > > > > > > > retro in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my > friends > > > daughter > > > > > > who has > > > > > > > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in > > > Capricorn (own > > > > > > > > > > house and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different results > > should > > > the girls > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail I > > looked > > > at > > > > > > both the > > > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife > and > > > daughter > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > Rahu as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big > > collection > > > of > > > > > > chart but > > > > > > > > > > find that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will expect on > > > probability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is is it just chance or slow > > > moving planets > > > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar > people > > > close to > > > > > > me who > > > > > > > > > > have same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inner desires. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For > > Good > > > this month. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Bhudha Avatara In Agni Purana, Mahabharata and many more shashtra list of all the 10 incarnations of Lord Vishnu is given. In agni puran it is given chapter wise. I have scanned the document and inserted below for ready reference. so I believe in this concept because it is supported by many hindu shastras. I can quote many shashtra where it is given. regards sushil dikshit Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol" <mishra.lalit wrote:>> Dear Kamal jee,> > I dont wait for Kalki, if required, i w'd like to act like Kalki.> you are rightly indicating at some interpolations in BPHS.> > Instead of finding a justification, Guru's should accept the > interpolations.> > regards,> Lalit Mishra.> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner" > sightsolutions@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit jee ,> > > > I while ago when I started reading BPHS and in the chapter on > incarnations. It mentioned that Graha as avatars of Vishnu. I > question to my Guru from Jagan Nath Centre was Gautam Budha is only > less than 2500 years old and thsese texts are older than that how > can this same Budha represnting Mercury. And also Lord Krsna avatar > came 5134+ what ever was life of Lord Krsna. Budha being the ninths > avatar should be less than that. I donot know which Yug did Budha > appered also. When you listen to Sanjay rath lecture he does not > clarify who exactly was Budha s Mercuery's Vishu avatar. > > > > I will like some more knowlege from seniors.> > > > Comming to Osho, Jesus or Mohamed and lot other prophets equation > with Vishnu avatar. I believe should be made to Kaliki who we all > believe is yet to come. As all say after of the apperance Kaliki > Pralaya or Quamat or Armagadden will come. Who know Kaliki has > arrive or when will arrive. But in Orissa there is temple devoted to > kaliki is made where the worshipers believe Kaliki will be housed. > Some learned believe it could be another 40000 years.> > > > sincerely> > > > kamal> > > > > > > > - > > litsol > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Sunday, October 14, 2007 9:25 AM> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Vakri planets and > Atamakarka> > > > > > No Sushil Ji,> > > > If it's there in astrology, astrology is wrong.> > > > Lord Vishnu's incarnation may be buddha, however, it's also > > doubtful, coz..> > > > 1. Neither in Vishnu Puran nor in Ram Charit Manas, mercurry > (budha) > > is mentioned as incarnation of Lord Vishnu.> > > > 2. In the baudh dharama, there are hundreds of the stories of > > budha's previous births before he finally born as budha, pls. > refer > > to Jatak Kathaa's. So, Gautam Budh can't be visnu's avtaar, if > any > > one can be an avtaar, he is greart sage Shankaracharya.> > > > Budha and modern Osho, they got confused at a level of > spirituality > > and didnt understand the truth, their personal conduct may be > > charishmatic, but pls. look at what happened to thir followers. > what > > followers did. Gautam Budhha, like osho, even doesn't tell the > name > > of his guru to world. this is ridiculous, a person who claims to > > become guru, doesn't tell others who was his own guru.> > > > Look at the end of Gautam Buddha, and try to understand the > hidden > > ambitions in his mind. the one who tries to expand his religion > can > > never be an avtaar. avtaar kbnows all are his own expressions > only, > > he neeed not expand his religion.> > > > regards,> > Lalit Mishra.> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Sushil > Dikshit" > > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > Yes the incarnation of Mercury is Vishnu.> > > > > > sushil dikshit> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol" > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Kamal,> > > > > > > > If Jagan Nath Centre says like what u r have put, I m sure > Jagan > > > Nath > > > > Centre has also not understand the reference to Budha in the > > BPHS.> > > > > > > > One should avoid cooking up justifications.> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > Lalit Mishra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , KAMAL SAHNI > > > > <sightsolutions@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil an Chandra Shekar> > > > > > > > > > I had asked same question about Budha Avatar. I friend > from > > > Jagan > > > > nath centre gave me this answer> > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > Budha is not the same as Buddha, the incarnation of the > > Lord. > > > > Budha is not an incarnation of the Lord, it's the Sanskrit > name > > for > > > > Mercury, and he is the son of the Moon with Tara, the wife > of > > > > Jupiter, Brhaspati. The incarnation for Mercury is Vishnu!> > > > > #> > > > > > > > > > I do not understand fully Learned may add> > > > > > > > > > kamal> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > > > > > > The science was supposed to be transmitted in Guru to > shishya > > > > parampara no doubt. That was to stop it falling into the > hands > > of > > > the > > > > unscrupulous. However the Gurus did, through their shishyas > > leave a > > > > vast wealth of knowledge which was carried by great feats of > > memory > > > > through constant verbal recital. Some texts could have got > > > corrupted > > > > in transmission and as you have said that since the Gurus to > > > explain > > > > and check the accuracy were no longer there, they appear to > have > > > left > > > > gaps in knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > However we have to understand that in the voluminous texts > or > > > > shlokas that they left behind there is great deal of > principles > > > that > > > > are talked about and if we unravel the principles, it is not > > > > difficult to understood what could be corruption and what is > the > > > > original text.> > > > > > > > > > As to Buddha avatar being equated to Gautam Buddha, I have > my > > > > reservations. I do not think they are the same person. If > memory > > > > serves me right the Buddha referred to in Avatara is Sugata > > Buddha > > > > was born around 1500 B.C. in Bodhi gaya (Kikata) to Anjana > and > > is > > > not > > > > the Siddhartha Gautam Buddha who was born at Kapilavastu > (563BC).> > > > > > > > > > Anyway, Parashara makes it clear as to when the text was > > > > told/written when he says that Kalpadruma yoga in these days > is > > in > > > > the chart of Yudhishthira and shall, in future, appear in > the > > chart > > > > of Shalivahana. So your contention of we having no knowledge > of > > > > prebuddha period jyotish is not perhaps correct. There is > also > > > > jyotish taught to sage Narada by sage Sanandana and then > there > > is > > > > Atharva Jyotish.> > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > sunil nair wrote: Hare ramakrishna > > > > > respected chandra sekhar ji ,> > > > > > > > > > yes sages left lot of gaps for us to fill ourself .And > > many > > > > books lost its originality as the real guru parampara is > lost as > > a > > > > parampara guru is representing a tradition of 10 or 15 > thousand > > > years > > > > of flow of knowledge and testing with practical life and > they > > know > > > > the rules and riders and exceptions .After destruction of > > gurukula > > > > system and classical style of learning now many things we r > not > > > > getting proper answers .> > > > > > > > > > As regrds to parasara period --budha born in 500BC and > even > > our > > > > indus valley civilisation in showing many vedic devatas and > yoga > > > > postures and a vastu frndly city .That means we hav > knowldege > > abt > > > the > > > > jyothish pre budha period ,so in modern version of parasari > how > > > budha > > > > s reference came .it shows some additions happened .And even > > > baqyaya > > > > saab said he has a copy of BPHS which has more slokas than > what > > > > available in market if my memeory is correct .> > > > > > > > > > lack of support from public and any agencies we r realy > > > > sufferring even in collecting and reserching and data > > compilation > > > and > > > > as a professional astrologer myself ,i find even a wel > placed > > > > business man will happily consult u wihout paying anything > were > > as > > > > all granthas says even gurus need not ask money but ppl has > to > > or > > > > must pay dakhsina means some thing which is max of their > > > > capacity .They forget to support a noble system which is > realy > > > useful > > > > for them .> > > > > > > > > > oh ,i crossed the context of our discussion> > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > > > > > > > > The sages do talk about what others say without > commenting > > on > > > it, > > > > > > implying that you may take it or use their own > parameters. > > So > > > > they do > > > > > > talk about it in that manner.> > > > > > > > > > > > My personal opinion is that unlike astrologers of the > modern > > > > times, the > > > > > > rishis never claimed that their opinion on the divine > > science > > > is > > > > the > > > > > > last one and inviolate. That is why they gave first > other's > > > > opinion with > > > > > > due respect and then their own. They left it to the > seeker > > of > > > > knowledge > > > > > > to find out for himself which opinion he finds suits his > way > > of > > > > > > interpretation of charts. That must have been done with > a > > > reason > > > > that > > > > > > was sound enough.> > > > > > > > > > > > Many parameters of dasha vis-a-vis charakarakas have > modern > > > > origin and > > > > > > no supporting classic text to support that premise. So a > > > blanket > > > > > > statement that AK dasha in chara dasha is always bad, > may > > not > > > be > > > > > > strictly correct.> > > > > > > > > > > > I have not understood the reference to new testament and > its > > > > connection > > > > > > to Parashara. The texts that were carried down through > > > generation > > > > > > through committing them to memory are likely to have > > undergone > > > > some > > > > > > unintentional corruption, no doubt. yet the major > structure > > of > > > > the text > > > > > > would not change and it is up to the individual > astrologer > > to > > > try > > > > to > > > > > > interpret what the sages said in the light of principles > > that > > > are > > > > given > > > > > > by them and also by astrologers of the time when texts > began > > to > > > > be > > > > > > written down.> > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you and others can do a lot of meaningful > research > > to > > > > come to > > > > > > some concrete conclusion in this regard.> > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > respected chandrasekhar ji .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Can we say that it depends on how u take it and which > > scheme .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I dont think rishis talk this way .SO either of us is > > going > > > > wrong ( i > > > > > > > mean opinions) ,i am after the truth .How we can > relate > > the > > > > other > > > > > > > results in chart by seeing only tru only jaimini > methods > > with > > > > rahu as > > > > > > > AK ,like it says AK dasa in chara dasa will be bad ,so > we > > hav > > > > to take > > > > > > > both AK which is rahu and some other planet and see in > so > > > many > > > > charts > > > > > > > as much as possible and delinate results .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am worried abt the interpolations happened in > > parasari ,a > > > > rishi who > > > > > > > might hav written BPHS in BC 3500 atleast and Budhas > > > reference > > > > in new > > > > > > > testament (budha is vishnu avatar of mercury like > this ) .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hope we can do some thing jointly with help of the > other > > > > members who r > > > > > > > not bind by any gurudom slavery tru a reserch .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Much will depend on what scheme one prefers. If one > > > considers> > > > > > > > Pitrukaraka along with other seven karakas, then > Rahu > > will > > > > have to be> > > > > > > > considered for Atmakaraka, naturally. There are many > > > opinions > > > > on how> > > > > > > > rahu is to be used and as Parashara indicates some > think > > > that > > > > it is to> > > > > > > > be used when a charakaraka place falls vacant due to > > amsha-> > > > kala samya> > > > > > > > (equal degrees and minutes for two grahas). There > are > > too > > > > many opinions> > > > > > > > and one has to find one's own way around Chara > karaka. > > By > > > > definition > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > karaka being variable, there can be no ban on nodes > > > becoming a> > > > > > > > charakaraka if one has to consider 8 karakas, then > Rahu > > can > > > > > > > certainly be> > > > > > > > taken as AK is advanced in degrees traversed and > > Parashara > > > > actually> > > > > > > > tells how to see whether Rahu has acquired highest > > degrees. > > > > So the sage> > > > > > > > does not seem to suggest any ban on Rahu as AK.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I do not have many charts with AK being rahu and > > occupying > > > > lagna and> > > > > > > > navamsha lagna.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > take care,> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Respected chandra sekhar ji .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I got your point ,My question is that whether the > > nodes > > > can > > > > be> > > > > > > > > given any chara karakatwa .I would like to know ur > > > personal > > > > opinion> > > > > > > > > also .Even i used many times rahu as AK even i > > discussed > > > > many charts> > > > > > > > > with rahu as AK .But i feel some where we r > > missing .It > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > 7 karaka and 8 karaka scheme.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in lagna > and > > in > > > > navamsa> > > > > > > > > lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in > this > > group > > > > has pls let> > > > > > > > > me know the chart with some back ground > > information .here > > > i > > > > am > > > > > > > looking> > > > > > > > > for charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini has > > said > > > > that Ak in> > > > > > > > > lagna has a purticular result.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > > > > > > It means that "the planet who has traversed most > > > degrees > > > > in a > > > > > > > rasi is> > > > > > > > > > the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some > say > > > there > > > > are 8 > > > > > > > karakas".> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji .> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is > > from > > > > gurus .> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > s.com, > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > But Jaimini does talk about"atmaadika > > kalaadibhirna > > > > bhogaH> > > > > > > > > > > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaan aaMvaa" vide sutra 11, > > > adhyaaya1, > > > > Pada > > > > > > > 1, of> > > > > > > > > Jaimini> > > > > > > > > > > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not > > just > > > > throw that > > > > > > > away,> > > > > > > > > > > > though my personal opinion may be different.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare krishna,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji .> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka > scheme is > > > > absurd and > > > > > > > may be> > > > > > > > > > > > > an interpolation in astrological treatise .> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and > > other > > > > upa grahas> > > > > > > > > which r> > > > > > > > > > > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this > question > > may > > > > arise and> > > > > > > > > important> > > > > > > > > > > > > points i discussed in previous mail> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > aling@ > > > s.com, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara > > atmakaraka > > > > with 8 chara> > > > > > > > > karaka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > scheme, option.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear kamal ji .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul > > > > indicater ),imagine > > > > > > > sun is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universal atmakaraka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the other planets in chart derive > all > > > power > > > > from sun> > > > > > > > > ,so only> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets with physical bodies can > become > > > > atmakarak or> > > > > > > > > derive power> > > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > aling@ > > > > s.com, "Vedic> > > > > > > > > Learner"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like > me. I > > > have > > > > friend > > > > > > > who has> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and > > > > Debilitated and> > > > > > > > > retro in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my > > friends > > > > daughter > > > > > > > who has> > > > > > > > > > > > > exalted> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa > is in > > > > Capricorn (own> > > > > > > > > > > house and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different > results > > > should > > > > the girls> > > > > > > > > chart> > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better results.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail > I > > > looked > > > > at > > > > > > > both the> > > > > > > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my > wife > > and > > > > daughter > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big > > > collection > > > > of > > > > > > > chart but> > > > > > > > > > > find that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will > expect on > > > > probability.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is is it just chance or > slow > > > > moving planets> > > > > > > > > are more> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar > > people > > > > close to > > > > > > > me who> > > > > > > > > > > have same> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inner desires.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kamal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit > For > > > Good > > > > this month.> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Dear Sushil Jee please give us some translation and especialy this topic is going on give us brief overview from your side thanks kamal - Sushil Dikshit Vedic Astrologyandhealing Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:48 PM [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Vakri planets and Atamakarka Budha Avatara In Agni Purana, Mahabharata and many more shashtra list of all the 10 incarnations of Lord Vishnu is given. In agni puran it is given chapter wise. I have scanned the document and inserted below for ready reference. so I believe in this concept because it is supported by many hindu shastras. I can quote many shashtra where it is geven. regards sushil dikshit Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol" <mishra.lalit wrote:>> Dear Kamal jee,> > I dont wait for Kalki, if required, i w'd like to act like Kalki.> you are rightly indicating at some interpolations in BPHS.> > Instead of finding a justification, Guru's should accept the > interpolations.> > regards,> Lalit Mishra.> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner" > sightsolutions@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit jee ,> > > > I while ago when I started reading BPHS and in the chapter on > incarnations. It mentioned that Graha as avatars of Vishnu. I > question to my Guru from Jagan Nath Centre was Gautam Budha is only > less than 2500 years old and thsese texts are older than that how > can this same Budha represnting Mercury. And also Lord Krsna avatar > came 5134+ what ever was life of Lord Krsna. Budha being the ninths > avatar should be less than that. I donot know which Yug did Budha > appered also. When you listen to Sanjay rath lecture he does not > clarify who exactly was Budha s Mercuery's Vishu avatar. > > > > I will like some more knowlege from seniors.> > > > Comming to Osho, Jesus or Mohamed and lot other prophets equation > with Vishnu avatar. I believe should be made to Kaliki who we all > believe is yet to come. As all say after of the apperance Kaliki > Pralaya or Quamat or Armagadden will come. Who know Kaliki has > arrive or when will arrive. But in Orissa there is temple devoted to > kaliki is made where the worshipers believe Kaliki will be housed. > Some learned believe it could be another 40000 years.> > > > sincerely> > > > kamal> > > > > > > > - > > litsol > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Sunday, October 14, 2007 9:25 AM> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Vakri planets and > Atamakarka> > > > > > No Sushil Ji,> > > > If it's there in astrology, astrology is wrong.> > > > Lord Vishnu's incarnation may be buddha, however, it's also > > doubtful, coz..> > > > 1. Neither in Vishnu Puran nor in Ram Charit Manas, mercurry > (budha) > > is mentioned as incarnation of Lord Vishnu.> > > > 2. In the baudh dharama, there are hundreds of the stories of > > budha's previous births before he finally born as budha, pls. > refer > > to Jatak Kathaa's. So, Gautam Budh can't be visnu's avtaar, if > any > > one can be an avtaar, he is greart sage Shankaracharya.> > > > Budha and modern Osho, they got confused at a level of > spirituality > > and didnt understand the truth, their personal conduct may be > > charishmatic, but pls. look at what happened to thir followers. > what > > followers did. Gautam Budhha, like osho, even doesn't tell the > name > > of his guru to world. this is ridiculous, a person who claims to > > become guru, doesn't tell others who was his own guru.> > > > Look at the end of Gautam Buddha, and try to understand the > hidden > > ambitions in his mind. the one who tries to expand his religion > can > > never be an avtaar. avtaar kbnows all are his own expressions > only, > > he neeed not expand his religion.> > > > regards,> > Lalit Mishra.> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Sushil > Dikshit" > > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > Yes the incarnation of Mercury is Vishnu.> > > > > > sushil dikshit> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol" > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Kamal,> > > > > > > > If Jagan Nath Centre says like what u r have put, I m sure > Jagan > > > Nath > > > > Centre has also not understand the reference to Budha in the > > BPHS.> > > > > > > > One should avoid cooking up justifications.> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > Lalit Mishra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , KAMAL SAHNI > > > > <sightsolutions@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil an Chandra Shekar> > > > > > > > > > I had asked same question about Budha Avatar. I friend > from > > > Jagan > > > > nath centre gave me this answer> > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > Budha is not the same as Buddha, the incarnation of the > > Lord. > > > > Budha is not an incarnation of the Lord, it's the Sanskrit > name > > for > > > > Mercury, and he is the son of the Moon with Tara, the wife > of > > > > Jupiter, Brhaspati. The incarnation for Mercury is Vishnu!> > > > > #> > > > > > > > > > I do not understand fully Learned may add> > > > > > > > > > kamal> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > > > > > > The science was supposed to be transmitted in Guru to > shishya > > > > parampara no doubt. That was to stop it falling into the > hands > > of > > > the > > > > unscrupulous. However the Gurus did, through their shishyas > > leave a > > > > vast wealth of knowledge which was carried by great feats of > > memory > > > > through constant verbal recital. Some texts could have got > > > corrupted > > > > in transmission and as you have said that since the Gurus to > > > explain > > > > and check the accuracy were no longer there, they appear to > have > > > left > > > > gaps in knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > However we have to understand that in the voluminous texts > or > > > > shlokas that they left behind there is great deal of > principles > > > that > > > > are talked about and if we unravel the principles, it is not > > > > difficult to understood what could be corruption and what is > the > > > > original text.> > > > > > > > > > As to Buddha avatar being equated to Gautam Buddha, I have > my > > > > reservations. I do not think they are the same person. If > memory > > > > serves me right the Buddha referred to in Avatara is Sugata > > Buddha > > > > was born around 1500 B.C. in Bodhi gaya (Kikata) to Anjana > and > > is > > > not > > > > the Siddhartha Gautam Buddha who was born at Kapilavastu > (563BC).> > > > > > > > > > Anyway, Parashara makes it clear as to when the text was > > > > told/written when he says that Kalpadruma yoga in these days > is > > in > > > > the chart of Yudhishthira and shall, in future, appear in > the > > chart > > > > of Shalivahana. So your contention of we having no knowledge > of > > > > prebuddha period jyotish is not perhaps correct. There is > also > > > > jyotish taught to sage Narada by sage Sanandana and then > there > > is > > > > Atharva Jyotish.> > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > sunil nair wrote: Hare ramakrishna > > > > > respected chandra sekhar ji ,> > > > > > > > > > yes sages left lot of gaps for us to fill ourself .And > > many > > > > books lost its originality as the real guru parampara is > lost as > > a > > > > parampara guru is representing a tradition of 10 or 15 > thousand > > > years > > > > of flow of knowledge and testing with practical life and > they > > know > > > > the rules and riders and exceptions .After destruction of > > gurukula > > > > system and classical style of learning now many things we r > not > > > > getting proper answers .> > > > > > > > > > As regrds to parasara period --budha born in 500BC and > even > > our > > > > indus valley civilisation in showing many vedic devatas and > yoga > > > > postures and a vastu frndly city .That means we hav > knowldege > > abt > > > the > > > > jyothish pre budha period ,so in modern version of parasari > how > > > budha > > > > s reference came .it shows some additions happened .And even > > > baqyaya > > > > saab said he has a copy of BPHS which has more slokas than > what > > > > available in market if my memeory is correct .> > > > > > > > > > lack of support from public and any agencies we r realy > > > > sufferring even in collecting and reserching and data > > compilation > > > and > > > > as a professional astrologer myself ,i find even a wel > placed > > > > business man will happily consult u wihout paying anything > were > > as > > > > all granthas says even gurus need not ask money but ppl has > to > > or > > > > must pay dakhsina means some thing which is max of their > > > > capacity .They forget to support a noble system which is > realy > > > useful > > > > for them .> > > > > > > > > > oh ,i crossed the context of our discussion> > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > > > > > > > > The sages do talk about what others say without > commenting > > on > > > it, > > > > > > implying that you may take it or use their own > parameters. > > So > > > > they do > > > > > > talk about it in that manner.> > > > > > > > > > > > My personal opinion is that unlike astrologers of the > modern > > > > times, the > > > > > > rishis never claimed that their opinion on the divine > > science > > > is > > > > the > > > > > > last one and inviolate. That is why they gave first > other's > > > > opinion with > > > > > > due respect and then their own. They left it to the > seeker > > of > > > > knowledge > > > > > > to find out for himself which opinion he finds suits his > way > > of > > > > > > interpretation of charts. That must have been done with > a > > > reason > > > > that > > > > > > was sound enough.> > > > > > > > > > > > Many parameters of dasha vis-a-vis charakarakas have > modern > > > > origin and > > > > > > no supporting classic text to support that premise. So a > > > blanket > > > > > > statement that AK dasha in chara dasha is always bad, > may > > not > > > be > > > > > > strictly correct.> > > > > > > > > > > > I have not understood the reference to new testament and > its > > > > connection > > > > > > to Parashara. The texts that were carried down through > > > generation > > > > > > through committing them to memory are likely to have > > undergone > > > > some > > > > > > unintentional corruption, no doubt. yet the major > structure > > of > > > > the text > > > > > > would not change and it is up to the individual > astrologer > > to > > > try > > > > to > > > > > > interpret what the sages said in the light of principles > > that > > > are > > > > given > > > > > > by them and also by astrologers of the time when texts > began > > to > > > > be > > > > > > written down.> > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you and others can do a lot of meaningful > research > > to > > > > come to > > > > > > some concrete conclusion in this regard.> > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > respected chandrasekhar ji .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Can we say that it depends on how u take it and which > > scheme .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I dont think rishis talk this way .SO either of us is > > going > > > > wrong ( i > > > > > > > mean opinions) ,i am after the truth .How we can > relate > > the > > > > other > > > > > > > results in chart by seeing only tru only jaimini > methods > > with > > > > rahu as > > > > > > > AK ,like it says AK dasa in chara dasa will be bad ,so > we > > hav > > > > to take > > > > > > > both AK which is rahu and some other planet and see in > so > > > many > > > > charts > > > > > > > as much as possible and delinate results .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am worried abt the interpolations happened in > > parasari ,a > > > > rishi who > > > > > > > might hav written BPHS in BC 3500 atleast and Budhas > > > reference > > > > in new > > > > > > > testament (budha is vishnu avatar of mercury like > this ) .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hope we can do some thing jointly with help of the > other > > > > members who r > > > > > > > not bind by any gurudom slavery tru a reserch .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Much will depend on what scheme one prefers. If one > > > considers> > > > > > > > Pitrukaraka along with other seven karakas, then > Rahu > > will > > > > have to be> > > > > > > > considered for Atmakaraka, naturally. There are many > > > opinions > > > > on how> > > > > > > > rahu is to be used and as Parashara indicates some > think > > > that > > > > it is to> > > > > > > > be used when a charakaraka place falls vacant due to > > amsha-> > > > kala samya> > > > > > > > (equal degrees and minutes for two grahas). There > are > > too > > > > many opinions> > > > > > > > and one has to find one's own way around Chara > karaka. > > By > > > > definition > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > karaka being variable, there can be no ban on nodes > > > becoming a> > > > > > > > charakaraka if one has to consider 8 karakas, then > Rahu > > can > > > > > > > certainly be> > > > > > > > taken as AK is advanced in degrees traversed and > > Parashara > > > > actually> > > > > > > > tells how to see whether Rahu has acquired highest > > degrees. > > > > So the sage> > > > > > > > does not seem to suggest any ban on Rahu as AK.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I do not have many charts with AK being rahu and > > occupying > > > > lagna and> > > > > > > > navamsha lagna.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > take care,> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Respected chandra sekhar ji .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I got your point ,My question is that whether the > > nodes > > > can > > > > be> > > > > > > > > given any chara karakatwa .I would like to know ur > > > personal > > > > opinion> > > > > > > > > also .Even i used many times rahu as AK even i > > discussed > > > > many charts> > > > > > > > > with rahu as AK .But i feel some where we r > > missing .It > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > 7 karaka and 8 karaka scheme.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in lagna > and > > in > > > > navamsa> > > > > > > > > lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in > this > > group > > > > has pls let> > > > > > > > > me know the chart with some back ground > > information .here > > > i > > > > am > > > > > > > looking> > > > > > > > > for charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini has > > said > > > > that Ak in> > > > > > > > > lagna has a purticular result.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > > > > > > It means that "the planet who has traversed most > > > degrees > > > > in a > > > > > > > rasi is> > > > > > > > > > the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some > say > > > there > > > > are 8 > > > > > > > karakas".> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji .> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is > > from > > > > gurus .> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > s.com, > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > But Jaimini does talk about"atmaadika > > kalaadibhirna > > > > bhogaH> > > > > > > > > > > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaan aaMvaa" vide sutra 11, > > > adhyaaya1, > > > > Pada > > > > > > > 1, of> > > > > > > > > Jaimini> > > > > > > > > > > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not > > just > > > > throw that > > > > > > > away,> > > > > > > > > > > > though my personal opinion may be different.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare krishna,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji .> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka > scheme is > > > > absurd and > > > > > > > may be> > > > > > > > > > > > > an interpolation in astrological treatise .> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and > > other > > > > upa grahas> > > > > > > > > which r> > > > > > > > > > > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this > question > > may > > > > arise and> > > > > > > > > important> > > > > > > > > > > > > points i discussed in previous mail> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > aling@ > > > s.com, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara > > atmakaraka > > > > with 8 chara> > > > > > > > > karaka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > scheme, option.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear kamal ji .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul > > > > indicater ),imagine > > > > > > > sun is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universal atmakaraka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the other planets in chart derive > all > > > power > > > > from sun> > > > > > > > > ,so only> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets with physical bodies can > become > > > > atmakarak or> > > > > > > > > derive power> > > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > aling@ > > > > s.com, "Vedic> > > > > > > > > Learner"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like > me. I > > > have > > > > friend > > > > > > > who has> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and > > > > Debilitated and> > > > > > > > > retro in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my > > friends > > > > daughter > > > > > > > who has> > > > > > > > > > > > > exalted> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa > is in > > > > Capricorn (own> > > > > > > > > > > house and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different > results > > > should > > > > the girls> > > > > > > > > chart> > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better results.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail > I > > > looked > > > > at > > > > > > > both the> > > > > > > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my > wife > > and > > > > daughter > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big > > > collection > > > > of > > > > > > > chart but> > > > > > > > > > > find that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will > expect on > > > > probability.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is is it just chance or > slow > > > > moving planets> > > > > > > > > are more> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar > > people > > > > close to > > > > > > > me who> > > > > > > > > > > have same> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inner desires.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kamal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit > For > > > Good > > > > this month.> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Sushil Ji, Namaskaar, Agni puran is written in 8'th century and if i remember, some chapters are added to it in 13'th century. Agni Puran is not a puran, assembled by original vyaas. Pls. refer to R.S Sharma's book on Indian History, which is used as a reference book in Delhi University. And more, i have read dozens of stories of Jatak kathaas in which Bodhisatva's (Gautam Buddha) previous birth's are given even in the form of vaious animals, as Jatak Katha's are part of Buadha Sahitya, and Baudha dharam is founded by Lord Buddha only, what they themselves write should be taken as more authentic resource. How come a Buddha who didn't recognise God's existance and didn't know about maya or prakrati can be lord vishnu's avtaar, He demonstrates same degree of ignorance that a beginner of advaita school demonstrates. Had there been no flaw in his teachings, Shankaracharya w'd have not been able to demolish his errorneous principles. Buddha didn't fix his thoughts on any spiritual matter, rather he inspires people to do more and more social service, this is justified, Let's accept him like a great man, like mahaatma gandhi, i think this w'd rather be true respect towards buddha. regards, Lalit Mishra. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Sushil Dikshit " <sushil.dikshit wrote: > > > > > Bhudha Avatara > > > In Agni Purana, Mahabharata and many more shashtra list of all the 10 > incarnations of Lord Vishnu is given. In agni puran it is given chapter > wise. I have scanned the document and inserted below for ready > reference. > > > > so I believe in this concept because it is supported by many hindu > shastras. I can quote many shashtra where it is given. > > regards > > sushil dikshit > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kamal jee, > > > > I dont wait for Kalki, if required, i w'd like to act like Kalki. > > you are rightly indicating at some interpolations in BPHS. > > > > Instead of finding a justification, Guru's should accept the > > interpolations. > > > > regards, > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Vedic Learner " > > sightsolutions@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit jee , > > > > > > I while ago when I started reading BPHS and in the chapter on > > incarnations. It mentioned that Graha as avatars of Vishnu. I > > question to my Guru from Jagan Nath Centre was Gautam Budha is only > > less than 2500 years old and thsese texts are older than that how > > can this same Budha represnting Mercury. And also Lord Krsna avatar > > came 5134+ what ever was life of Lord Krsna. Budha being the ninths > > avatar should be less than that. I donot know which Yug did Budha > > appered also. When you listen to Sanjay rath lecture he does not > > clarify who exactly was Budha s Mercuery's Vishu avatar. > > > > > > I will like some more knowlege from seniors. > > > > > > Comming to Osho, Jesus or Mohamed and lot other prophets equation > > with Vishnu avatar. I believe should be made to Kaliki who we all > > believe is yet to come. As all say after of the apperance Kaliki > > Pralaya or Quamat or Armagadden will come. Who know Kaliki has > > arrive or when will arrive. But in Orissa there is temple devoted to > > kaliki is made where the worshipers believe Kaliki will be housed. > > Some learned believe it could be another 40000 years. > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > litsol > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > Sunday, October 14, 2007 9:25 AM > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Vakri planets and > > Atamakarka > > > > > > > > > No Sushil Ji, > > > > > > If it's there in astrology, astrology is wrong. > > > > > > Lord Vishnu's incarnation may be buddha, however, it's also > > > doubtful, coz.. > > > > > > 1. Neither in Vishnu Puran nor in Ram Charit Manas, mercurry > > (budha) > > > is mentioned as incarnation of Lord Vishnu. > > > > > > 2. In the baudh dharama, there are hundreds of the stories of > > > budha's previous births before he finally born as budha, pls. > > refer > > > to Jatak Kathaa's. So, Gautam Budh can't be visnu's avtaar, if > > any > > > one can be an avtaar, he is greart sage Shankaracharya. > > > > > > Budha and modern Osho, they got confused at a level of > > spirituality > > > and didnt understand the truth, their personal conduct may be > > > charishmatic, but pls. look at what happened to thir followers. > > what > > > followers did. Gautam Budhha, like osho, even doesn't tell the > > name > > > of his guru to world. this is ridiculous, a person who claims to > > > become guru, doesn't tell others who was his own guru. > > > > > > Look at the end of Gautam Buddha, and try to understand the > > hidden > > > ambitions in his mind. the one who tries to expand his religion > > can > > > never be an avtaar. avtaar kbnows all are his own expressions > > only, > > > he neeed not expand his religion. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Sushil > > Dikshit " > > > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > Yes the incarnation of Mercury is Vishnu. > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kamal, > > > > > > > > > > If Jagan Nath Centre says like what u r have put, I m sure > > Jagan > > > > Nath > > > > > Centre has also not understand the reference to Budha in the > > > BPHS. > > > > > > > > > > One should avoid cooking up justifications. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , KAMAL SAHNI > > > > > <sightsolutions@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil an Chandra Shekar > > > > > > > > > > > > I had asked same question about Budha Avatar. I friend > > from > > > > Jagan > > > > > nath centre gave me this answer > > > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > Budha is not the same as Buddha, the incarnation of the > > > Lord. > > > > > Budha is not an incarnation of the Lord, it's the Sanskrit > > name > > > for > > > > > Mercury, and he is the son of the Moon with Tara, the wife > > of > > > > > Jupiter, Brhaspati. The incarnation for Mercury is Vishnu! > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not understand fully Learned may add > > > > > > > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > The science was supposed to be transmitted in Guru to > > shishya > > > > > parampara no doubt. That was to stop it falling into the > > hands > > > of > > > > the > > > > > unscrupulous. However the Gurus did, through their shishyas > > > leave a > > > > > vast wealth of knowledge which was carried by great feats of > > > memory > > > > > through constant verbal recital. Some texts could have got > > > > corrupted > > > > > in transmission and as you have said that since the Gurus to > > > > explain > > > > > and check the accuracy were no longer there, they appear to > > have > > > > left > > > > > gaps in knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > However we have to understand that in the voluminous texts > > or > > > > > shlokas that they left behind there is great deal of > > principles > > > > that > > > > > are talked about and if we unravel the principles, it is not > > > > > difficult to understood what could be corruption and what is > > the > > > > > original text. > > > > > > > > > > > > As to Buddha avatar being equated to Gautam Buddha, I have > > my > > > > > reservations. I do not think they are the same person. If > > memory > > > > > serves me right the Buddha referred to in Avatara is Sugata > > > Buddha > > > > > was born around 1500 B.C. in Bodhi gaya (Kikata) to Anjana > > and > > > is > > > > not > > > > > the Siddhartha Gautam Buddha who was born at Kapilavastu > > (563BC). > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, Parashara makes it clear as to when the text was > > > > > told/written when he says that Kalpadruma yoga in these days > > is > > > in > > > > > the chart of Yudhishthira and shall, in future, appear in > > the > > > chart > > > > > of Shalivahana. So your contention of we having no knowledge > > of > > > > > prebuddha period jyotish is not perhaps correct. There is > > also > > > > > jyotish taught to sage Narada by sage Sanandana and then > > there > > > is > > > > > Atharva Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: Hare ramakrishna > > > > > > respected chandra sekhar ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > yes sages left lot of gaps for us to fill ourself .And > > > many > > > > > books lost its originality as the real guru parampara is > > lost as > > > a > > > > > parampara guru is representing a tradition of 10 or 15 > > thousand > > > > years > > > > > of flow of knowledge and testing with practical life and > > they > > > know > > > > > the rules and riders and exceptions .After destruction of > > > gurukula > > > > > system and classical style of learning now many things we r > > not > > > > > getting proper answers . > > > > > > > > > > > > As regrds to parasara period --budha born in 500BC and > > even > > > our > > > > > indus valley civilisation in showing many vedic devatas and > > yoga > > > > > postures and a vastu frndly city .That means we hav > > knowldege > > > abt > > > > the > > > > > jyothish pre budha period ,so in modern version of parasari > > how > > > > budha > > > > > s reference came .it shows some additions happened .And even > > > > baqyaya > > > > > saab said he has a copy of BPHS which has more slokas than > > what > > > > > available in market if my memeory is correct . > > > > > > > > > > > > lack of support from public and any agencies we r realy > > > > > sufferring even in collecting and reserching and data > > > compilation > > > > and > > > > > as a professional astrologer myself ,i find even a wel > > placed > > > > > business man will happily consult u wihout paying anything > > were > > > as > > > > > all granthas says even gurus need not ask money but ppl has > > to > > > or > > > > > must pay dakhsina means some thing which is max of their > > > > > capacity .They forget to support a noble system which is > > realy > > > > useful > > > > > for them . > > > > > > > > > > > > oh ,i crossed the context of our discussion > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sages do talk about what others say without > > commenting > > > on > > > > it, > > > > > > > implying that you may take it or use their own > > parameters. > > > So > > > > > they do > > > > > > > talk about it in that manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal opinion is that unlike astrologers of the > > modern > > > > > times, the > > > > > > > rishis never claimed that their opinion on the divine > > > science > > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > > last one and inviolate. That is why they gave first > > other's > > > > > opinion with > > > > > > > due respect and then their own. They left it to the > > seeker > > > of > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > to find out for himself which opinion he finds suits his > > way > > > of > > > > > > > interpretation of charts. That must have been done with > > a > > > > reason > > > > > that > > > > > > > was sound enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many parameters of dasha vis-a-vis charakarakas have > > modern > > > > > origin and > > > > > > > no supporting classic text to support that premise. So a > > > > blanket > > > > > > > statement that AK dasha in chara dasha is always bad, > > may > > > not > > > > be > > > > > > > strictly correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not understood the reference to new testament and > > its > > > > > connection > > > > > > > to Parashara. The texts that were carried down through > > > > generation > > > > > > > through committing them to memory are likely to have > > > undergone > > > > > some > > > > > > > unintentional corruption, no doubt. yet the major > > structure > > > of > > > > > the text > > > > > > > would not change and it is up to the individual > > astrologer > > > to > > > > try > > > > > to > > > > > > > interpret what the sages said in the light of principles > > > that > > > > are > > > > > given > > > > > > > by them and also by astrologers of the time when texts > > began > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > > written down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you and others can do a lot of meaningful > > research > > > to > > > > > come to > > > > > > > some concrete conclusion in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected chandrasekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we say that it depends on how u take it and which > > > scheme . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont think rishis talk this way .SO either of us is > > > going > > > > > wrong ( i > > > > > > > > mean opinions) ,i am after the truth .How we can > > relate > > > the > > > > > other > > > > > > > > results in chart by seeing only tru only jaimini > > methods > > > with > > > > > rahu as > > > > > > > > AK ,like it says AK dasa in chara dasa will be bad ,so > > we > > > hav > > > > > to take > > > > > > > > both AK which is rahu and some other planet and see in > > so > > > > many > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > as much as possible and delinate results . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am worried abt the interpolations happened in > > > parasari ,a > > > > > rishi who > > > > > > > > might hav written BPHS in BC 3500 atleast and Budhas > > > > reference > > > > > in new > > > > > > > > testament (budha is vishnu avatar of mercury like > > this ) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope we can do some thing jointly with help of the > > other > > > > > members who r > > > > > > > > not bind by any gurudom slavery tru a reserch . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Much will depend on what scheme one prefers. If one > > > > considers > > > > > > > > > Pitrukaraka along with other seven karakas, then > > Rahu > > > will > > > > > have to be > > > > > > > > > considered for Atmakaraka, naturally. There are many > > > > opinions > > > > > on how > > > > > > > > > rahu is to be used and as Parashara indicates some > > think > > > > that > > > > > it is to > > > > > > > > > be used when a charakaraka place falls vacant due to > > > amsha- > > > > > kala samya > > > > > > > > > (equal degrees and minutes for two grahas). There > > are > > > too > > > > > many opinions > > > > > > > > > and one has to find one's own way around Chara > > karaka. > > > By > > > > > definition > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > karaka being variable, there can be no ban on nodes > > > > becoming a > > > > > > > > > charakaraka if one has to consider 8 karakas, then > > Rahu > > > can > > > > > > > > certainly be > > > > > > > > > taken as AK is advanced in degrees traversed and > > > Parashara > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > tells how to see whether Rahu has acquired highest > > > degrees. > > > > > So the sage > > > > > > > > > does not seem to suggest any ban on Rahu as AK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not have many charts with AK being rahu and > > > occupying > > > > > lagna and > > > > > > > > > navamsha lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take care, > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got your point ,My question is that whether the > > > nodes > > > > can > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > given any chara karakatwa .I would like to know ur > > > > personal > > > > > opinion > > > > > > > > > > also .Even i used many times rahu as AK even i > > > discussed > > > > > many charts > > > > > > > > > > with rahu as AK .But i feel some where we r > > > missing .It > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > 7 karaka and 8 karaka scheme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in lagna > > and > > > in > > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > > > lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in > > this > > > group > > > > > has pls let > > > > > > > > > > me know the chart with some back ground > > > information .here > > > > i > > > > > am > > > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > > > for charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini has > > > said > > > > > that Ak in > > > > > > > > > > lagna has a purticular result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > It means that " the planet who has traversed most > > > > degrees > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > rasi is > > > > > > > > > > > the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some > > say > > > > there > > > > > are 8 > > > > > > > > karakas " . > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is > > > from > > > > > gurus . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > s.com, > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Jaimini does talk about " atmaadika > > > kalaadibhirna > > > > > bhogaH > > > > > > > > > > > > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaan aaMvaa " vide sutra 11, > > > > adhyaaya1, > > > > > Pada > > > > > > > > 1, of > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini > > > > > > > > > > > > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not > > > just > > > > > throw that > > > > > > > > away, > > > > > > > > > > > > > though my personal opinion may be different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka > > scheme is > > > > > absurd and > > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an interpolation in astrological treatise . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and > > > other > > > > > upa grahas > > > > > > > > > > which r > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this > > question > > > may > > > > > arise and > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > > > points i discussed in previous mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > aling@ > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara > > > atmakaraka > > > > > with 8 chara > > > > > > > > > > karaka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scheme, option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear kamal ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul > > > > > indicater ),imagine > > > > > > > > sun is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universal atmakaraka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the other planets in chart derive > > all > > > > power > > > > > from sun > > > > > > > > > > ,so only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets with physical bodies can > > become > > > > > atmakarak or > > > > > > > > > > derive power > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > aling@ > > > > > s.com, " Vedic > > > > > > > > > > Learner " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like > > me. I > > > > have > > > > > friend > > > > > > > > who has > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and > > > > > Debilitated and > > > > > > > > > > retro in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my > > > friends > > > > > daughter > > > > > > > > who has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa > > is in > > > > > Capricorn (own > > > > > > > > > > > > house and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different > > results > > > > should > > > > > the girls > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail > > I > > > > looked > > > > > at > > > > > > > > both the > > > > > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my > > wife > > > and > > > > > daughter > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big > > > > collection > > > > > of > > > > > > > > chart but > > > > > > > > > > > > find that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will > > expect on > > > > > probability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is is it just chance or > > slow > > > > > moving planets > > > > > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar > > > people > > > > > close to > > > > > > > > me who > > > > > > > > > > > > have same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inner desires. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit > > For > > > > Good > > > > > this month. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 This is the book by R.S Sharma - 1. Perspectives in Social and Economic History of Early India, ISBN 8121506727. 2. Advent of the Aryans in India. 3. India's Ancient Past, (Oxford University Press, 2005, ISBN 978- 0195687859). regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > Sushil Ji, > > Namaskaar, Agni puran is written in 8'th century and if i remember, > some chapters are added to it in 13'th century. > > Agni Puran is not a puran, assembled by original vyaas. > > Pls. refer to R.S Sharma's book on Indian History, which is used as a > reference book in Delhi University. > > And more, i have read dozens of stories of Jatak kathaas in which > Bodhisatva's (Gautam Buddha) previous birth's are given even in the > form of vaious animals, as Jatak Katha's are part of Buadha Sahitya, > and Baudha dharam is founded by Lord Buddha only, what they > themselves write should be taken as more authentic resource. > > How come a Buddha who didn't recognise God's existance and didn't > know about maya or prakrati can be lord vishnu's avtaar, He > demonstrates same degree of ignorance that a beginner of advaita > school demonstrates. > > Had there been no flaw in his teachings, Shankaracharya w'd have not > been able to demolish his errorneous principles. > > Buddha didn't fix his thoughts on any spiritual matter, rather he > inspires people to do more and more social service, this is > justified, Let's accept him like a great man, like mahaatma gandhi, i > think this w'd rather be true respect towards buddha. > > > regards, > Lalit Mishra. > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Sushil Dikshit " > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhudha Avatara > > > > > > In Agni Purana, Mahabharata and many more shashtra list of all the > 10 > > incarnations of Lord Vishnu is given. In agni puran it is given > chapter > > wise. I have scanned the document and inserted below for ready > > reference. > > > > > > > > so I believe in this concept because it is supported by many hindu > > shastras. I can quote many shashtra where it is given. > > > > regards > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kamal jee, > > > > > > I dont wait for Kalki, if required, i w'd like to act like Kalki. > > > you are rightly indicating at some interpolations in BPHS. > > > > > > Instead of finding a justification, Guru's should accept the > > > interpolations. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Vedic Learner " > > > sightsolutions@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit jee , > > > > > > > > I while ago when I started reading BPHS and in the chapter on > > > incarnations. It mentioned that Graha as avatars of Vishnu. I > > > question to my Guru from Jagan Nath Centre was Gautam Budha is > only > > > less than 2500 years old and thsese texts are older than that how > > > can this same Budha represnting Mercury. And also Lord Krsna > avatar > > > came 5134+ what ever was life of Lord Krsna. Budha being the > ninths > > > avatar should be less than that. I donot know which Yug did Budha > > > appered also. When you listen to Sanjay rath lecture he does not > > > clarify who exactly was Budha s Mercuery's Vishu avatar. > > > > > > > > I will like some more knowlege from seniors. > > > > > > > > Comming to Osho, Jesus or Mohamed and lot other prophets > equation > > > with Vishnu avatar. I believe should be made to Kaliki who we all > > > believe is yet to come. As all say after of the apperance Kaliki > > > Pralaya or Quamat or Armagadden will come. Who know Kaliki has > > > arrive or when will arrive. But in Orissa there is temple devoted > to > > > kaliki is made where the worshipers believe Kaliki will be housed. > > > Some learned believe it could be another 40000 years. > > > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > litsol > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > Sunday, October 14, 2007 9:25 AM > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Vakri planets and > > > Atamakarka > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sushil Ji, > > > > > > > > If it's there in astrology, astrology is wrong. > > > > > > > > Lord Vishnu's incarnation may be buddha, however, it's also > > > > doubtful, coz.. > > > > > > > > 1. Neither in Vishnu Puran nor in Ram Charit Manas, mercurry > > > (budha) > > > > is mentioned as incarnation of Lord Vishnu. > > > > > > > > 2. In the baudh dharama, there are hundreds of the stories of > > > > budha's previous births before he finally born as budha, pls. > > > refer > > > > to Jatak Kathaa's. So, Gautam Budh can't be visnu's avtaar, if > > > any > > > > one can be an avtaar, he is greart sage Shankaracharya. > > > > > > > > Budha and modern Osho, they got confused at a level of > > > spirituality > > > > and didnt understand the truth, their personal conduct may be > > > > charishmatic, but pls. look at what happened to thir followers. > > > what > > > > followers did. Gautam Budhha, like osho, even doesn't tell the > > > name > > > > of his guru to world. this is ridiculous, a person who claims to > > > > become guru, doesn't tell others who was his own guru. > > > > > > > > Look at the end of Gautam Buddha, and try to understand the > > > hidden > > > > ambitions in his mind. the one who tries to expand his religion > > > can > > > > never be an avtaar. avtaar kbnows all are his own expressions > > > only, > > > > he neeed not expand his religion. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Sushil > > > Dikshit " > > > > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > Yes the incarnation of Mercury is Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kamal, > > > > > > > > > > > > If Jagan Nath Centre says like what u r have put, I m sure > > > Jagan > > > > > Nath > > > > > > Centre has also not understand the reference to Budha in the > > > > BPHS. > > > > > > > > > > > > One should avoid cooking up justifications. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , KAMAL SAHNI > > > > > > <sightsolutions@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil an Chandra Shekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had asked same question about Budha Avatar. I friend > > > from > > > > > Jagan > > > > > > nath centre gave me this answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > Budha is not the same as Buddha, the incarnation of the > > > > Lord. > > > > > > Budha is not an incarnation of the Lord, it's the Sanskrit > > > name > > > > for > > > > > > Mercury, and he is the son of the Moon with Tara, the wife > > > of > > > > > > Jupiter, Brhaspati. The incarnation for Mercury is Vishnu! > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not understand fully Learned may add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The science was supposed to be transmitted in Guru to > > > shishya > > > > > > parampara no doubt. That was to stop it falling into the > > > hands > > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > unscrupulous. However the Gurus did, through their shishyas > > > > leave a > > > > > > vast wealth of knowledge which was carried by great feats of > > > > memory > > > > > > through constant verbal recital. Some texts could have got > > > > > corrupted > > > > > > in transmission and as you have said that since the Gurus to > > > > > explain > > > > > > and check the accuracy were no longer there, they appear to > > > have > > > > > left > > > > > > gaps in knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However we have to understand that in the voluminous texts > > > or > > > > > > shlokas that they left behind there is great deal of > > > principles > > > > > that > > > > > > are talked about and if we unravel the principles, it is not > > > > > > difficult to understood what could be corruption and what is > > > the > > > > > > original text. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As to Buddha avatar being equated to Gautam Buddha, I have > > > my > > > > > > reservations. I do not think they are the same person. If > > > memory > > > > > > serves me right the Buddha referred to in Avatara is Sugata > > > > Buddha > > > > > > was born around 1500 B.C. in Bodhi gaya (Kikata) to Anjana > > > and > > > > is > > > > > not > > > > > > the Siddhartha Gautam Buddha who was born at Kapilavastu > > > (563BC). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, Parashara makes it clear as to when the text was > > > > > > told/written when he says that Kalpadruma yoga in these days > > > is > > > > in > > > > > > the chart of Yudhishthira and shall, in future, appear in > > > the > > > > chart > > > > > > of Shalivahana. So your contention of we having no knowledge > > > of > > > > > > prebuddha period jyotish is not perhaps correct. There is > > > also > > > > > > jyotish taught to sage Narada by sage Sanandana and then > > > there > > > > is > > > > > > Atharva Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: Hare ramakrishna > > > > > > > respected chandra sekhar ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes sages left lot of gaps for us to fill ourself .And > > > > many > > > > > > books lost its originality as the real guru parampara is > > > lost as > > > > a > > > > > > parampara guru is representing a tradition of 10 or 15 > > > thousand > > > > > years > > > > > > of flow of knowledge and testing with practical life and > > > they > > > > know > > > > > > the rules and riders and exceptions .After destruction of > > > > gurukula > > > > > > system and classical style of learning now many things we r > > > not > > > > > > getting proper answers . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As regrds to parasara period --budha born in 500BC and > > > even > > > > our > > > > > > indus valley civilisation in showing many vedic devatas and > > > yoga > > > > > > postures and a vastu frndly city .That means we hav > > > knowldege > > > > abt > > > > > the > > > > > > jyothish pre budha period ,so in modern version of parasari > > > how > > > > > budha > > > > > > s reference came .it shows some additions happened .And even > > > > > baqyaya > > > > > > saab said he has a copy of BPHS which has more slokas than > > > what > > > > > > available in market if my memeory is correct . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lack of support from public and any agencies we r realy > > > > > > sufferring even in collecting and reserching and data > > > > compilation > > > > > and > > > > > > as a professional astrologer myself ,i find even a wel > > > placed > > > > > > business man will happily consult u wihout paying anything > > > were > > > > as > > > > > > all granthas says even gurus need not ask money but ppl has > > > to > > > > or > > > > > > must pay dakhsina means some thing which is max of their > > > > > > capacity .They forget to support a noble system which is > > > realy > > > > > useful > > > > > > for them . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh ,i crossed the context of our discussion > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sages do talk about what others say without > > > commenting > > > > on > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > implying that you may take it or use their own > > > parameters. > > > > So > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > talk about it in that manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal opinion is that unlike astrologers of the > > > modern > > > > > > times, the > > > > > > > > rishis never claimed that their opinion on the divine > > > > science > > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > last one and inviolate. That is why they gave first > > > other's > > > > > > opinion with > > > > > > > > due respect and then their own. They left it to the > > > seeker > > > > of > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > to find out for himself which opinion he finds suits his > > > way > > > > of > > > > > > > > interpretation of charts. That must have been done with > > > a > > > > > reason > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > was sound enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many parameters of dasha vis-a-vis charakarakas have > > > modern > > > > > > origin and > > > > > > > > no supporting classic text to support that premise. So a > > > > > blanket > > > > > > > > statement that AK dasha in chara dasha is always bad, > > > may > > > > not > > > > > be > > > > > > > > strictly correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not understood the reference to new testament and > > > its > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > to Parashara. The texts that were carried down through > > > > > generation > > > > > > > > through committing them to memory are likely to have > > > > undergone > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > unintentional corruption, no doubt. yet the major > > > structure > > > > of > > > > > > the text > > > > > > > > would not change and it is up to the individual > > > astrologer > > > > to > > > > > try > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > interpret what the sages said in the light of principles > > > > that > > > > > are > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > by them and also by astrologers of the time when texts > > > began > > > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > written down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you and others can do a lot of meaningful > > > research > > > > to > > > > > > come to > > > > > > > > some concrete conclusion in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected chandrasekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we say that it depends on how u take it and which > > > > scheme . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont think rishis talk this way .SO either of us is > > > > going > > > > > > wrong ( i > > > > > > > > > mean opinions) ,i am after the truth .How we can > > > relate > > > > the > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > results in chart by seeing only tru only jaimini > > > methods > > > > with > > > > > > rahu as > > > > > > > > > AK ,like it says AK dasa in chara dasa will be bad ,so > > > we > > > > hav > > > > > > to take > > > > > > > > > both AK which is rahu and some other planet and see in > > > so > > > > > many > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > as much as possible and delinate results . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am worried abt the interpolations happened in > > > > parasari ,a > > > > > > rishi who > > > > > > > > > might hav written BPHS in BC 3500 atleast and Budhas > > > > > reference > > > > > > in new > > > > > > > > > testament (budha is vishnu avatar of mercury like > > > this ) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope we can do some thing jointly with help of the > > > other > > > > > > members who r > > > > > > > > > not bind by any gurudom slavery tru a reserch . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Much will depend on what scheme one prefers. If one > > > > > considers > > > > > > > > > > Pitrukaraka along with other seven karakas, then > > > Rahu > > > > will > > > > > > have to be > > > > > > > > > > considered for Atmakaraka, naturally. There are many > > > > > opinions > > > > > > on how > > > > > > > > > > rahu is to be used and as Parashara indicates some > > > think > > > > > that > > > > > > it is to > > > > > > > > > > be used when a charakaraka place falls vacant due to > > > > amsha- > > > > > > kala samya > > > > > > > > > > (equal degrees and minutes for two grahas). There > > > are > > > > too > > > > > > many opinions > > > > > > > > > > and one has to find one's own way around Chara > > > karaka. > > > > By > > > > > > definition > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > karaka being variable, there can be no ban on nodes > > > > > becoming a > > > > > > > > > > charakaraka if one has to consider 8 karakas, then > > > Rahu > > > > can > > > > > > > > > certainly be > > > > > > > > > > taken as AK is advanced in degrees traversed and > > > > Parashara > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > tells how to see whether Rahu has acquired highest > > > > degrees. > > > > > > So the sage > > > > > > > > > > does not seem to suggest any ban on Rahu as AK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not have many charts with AK being rahu and > > > > occupying > > > > > > lagna and > > > > > > > > > > navamsha lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take care, > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got your point ,My question is that whether the > > > > nodes > > > > > can > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > given any chara karakatwa .I would like to know ur > > > > > personal > > > > > > opinion > > > > > > > > > > > also .Even i used many times rahu as AK even i > > > > discussed > > > > > > many charts > > > > > > > > > > > with rahu as AK .But i feel some where we r > > > > missing .It > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > 7 karaka and 8 karaka scheme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in lagna > > > and > > > > in > > > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > > > > lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in > > > this > > > > group > > > > > > has pls let > > > > > > > > > > > me know the chart with some back ground > > > > information .here > > > > > i > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > > > > for charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini has > > > > said > > > > > > that Ak in > > > > > > > > > > > lagna has a purticular result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > It means that " the planet who has traversed most > > > > > degrees > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > rasi is > > > > > > > > > > > > the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some > > > say > > > > > there > > > > > > are 8 > > > > > > > > > karakas " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is > > > > from > > > > > > gurus . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > > s.com, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Jaimini does talk about " atmaadika > > > > kalaadibhirna > > > > > > bhogaH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaan aaMvaa " vide sutra 11, > > > > > adhyaaya1, > > > > > > Pada > > > > > > > > > 1, of > > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not > > > > just > > > > > > throw that > > > > > > > > > away, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though my personal opinion may be different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka > > > scheme is > > > > > > absurd and > > > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an interpolation in astrological > treatise . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and > > > > other > > > > > > upa grahas > > > > > > > > > > > which r > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this > > > question > > > > may > > > > > > arise and > > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > points i discussed in previous mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > aling@ > > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara > > > > atmakaraka > > > > > > with 8 chara > > > > > > > > > > > karaka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scheme, option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear kamal ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul > > > > > > indicater ),imagine > > > > > > > > > sun is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universal atmakaraka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the other planets in chart derive > > > all > > > > > power > > > > > > from sun > > > > > > > > > > > ,so only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets with physical bodies can > > > become > > > > > > atmakarak or > > > > > > > > > > > derive power > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > > aling@ > > > > > > s.com, " Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > Learner " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like > > > me. I > > > > > have > > > > > > friend > > > > > > > > > who has > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and > > > > > > Debilitated and > > > > > > > > > > > retro in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my > > > > friends > > > > > > daughter > > > > > > > > > who has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa > > > is in > > > > > > Capricorn (own > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different > > > results > > > > > should > > > > > > the girls > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail > > > I > > > > > looked > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > both the > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my > > > wife > > > > and > > > > > > daughter > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big > > > > > collection > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > chart but > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will > > > expect on > > > > > > probability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is is it just chance or > > > slow > > > > > > moving planets > > > > > > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar > > > > people > > > > > > close to > > > > > > > > > me who > > > > > > > > > > > > > have same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inner desires. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit > > > For > > > > > Good > > > > > > this month. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 It is given in Mahabharat too. I am going into dispute but qouting the supporing Dharma shastra. After all we will have to look into our Shastra for such things. Nobody can even prove the existence of Lord Rama too on historical basis. regards sushil dikshit Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > This is the book by R.S Sharma - > > 1. Perspectives in Social and Economic History of Early India, ISBN > 8121506727. > > 2. Advent of the Aryans in India. > > 3. India's Ancient Past, (Oxford University Press, 2005, ISBN 978- > 0195687859). > > > regards, > Lalit. > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > Sushil Ji, > > > > Namaskaar, Agni puran is written in 8'th century and if i remember, > > some chapters are added to it in 13'th century. > > > > Agni Puran is not a puran, assembled by original vyaas. > > > > Pls. refer to R.S Sharma's book on Indian History, which is used as > a > > reference book in Delhi University. > > > > And more, i have read dozens of stories of Jatak kathaas in which > > Bodhisatva's (Gautam Buddha) previous birth's are given even in the > > form of vaious animals, as Jatak Katha's are part of Buadha > Sahitya, > > and Baudha dharam is founded by Lord Buddha only, what they > > themselves write should be taken as more authentic resource. > > > > How come a Buddha who didn't recognise God's existance and didn't > > know about maya or prakrati can be lord vishnu's avtaar, He > > demonstrates same degree of ignorance that a beginner of advaita > > school demonstrates. > > > > Had there been no flaw in his teachings, Shankaracharya w'd have > not > > been able to demolish his errorneous principles. > > > > Buddha didn't fix his thoughts on any spiritual matter, rather he > > inspires people to do more and more social service, this is > > justified, Let's accept him like a great man, like mahaatma gandhi, > i > > think this w'd rather be true respect towards buddha. > > > > > > regards, > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Sushil Dikshit " > > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhudha Avatara > > > > > > > > > In Agni Purana, Mahabharata and many more shashtra list of all > the > > 10 > > > incarnations of Lord Vishnu is given. In agni puran it is given > > chapter > > > wise. I have scanned the document and inserted below for ready > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > so I believe in this concept because it is supported by many hindu > > > shastras. I can quote many shashtra where it is given. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kamal jee, > > > > > > > > I dont wait for Kalki, if required, i w'd like to act like > Kalki. > > > > you are rightly indicating at some interpolations in BPHS. > > > > > > > > Instead of finding a justification, Guru's should accept the > > > > interpolations. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Vedic Learner " > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit jee , > > > > > > > > > > I while ago when I started reading BPHS and in the chapter on > > > > incarnations. It mentioned that Graha as avatars of Vishnu. I > > > > question to my Guru from Jagan Nath Centre was Gautam Budha is > > only > > > > less than 2500 years old and thsese texts are older than that > how > > > > can this same Budha represnting Mercury. And also Lord Krsna > > avatar > > > > came 5134+ what ever was life of Lord Krsna. Budha being the > > ninths > > > > avatar should be less than that. I donot know which Yug did > Budha > > > > appered also. When you listen to Sanjay rath lecture he does not > > > > clarify who exactly was Budha s Mercuery's Vishu avatar. > > > > > > > > > > I will like some more knowlege from seniors. > > > > > > > > > > Comming to Osho, Jesus or Mohamed and lot other prophets > > equation > > > > with Vishnu avatar. I believe should be made to Kaliki who we > all > > > > believe is yet to come. As all say after of the apperance Kaliki > > > > Pralaya or Quamat or Armagadden will come. Who know Kaliki has > > > > arrive or when will arrive. But in Orissa there is temple > devoted > > to > > > > kaliki is made where the worshipers believe Kaliki will be > housed. > > > > Some learned believe it could be another 40000 years. > > > > > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > litsol > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > Sunday, October 14, 2007 9:25 AM > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Vakri planets and > > > > Atamakarka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Sushil Ji, > > > > > > > > > > If it's there in astrology, astrology is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Lord Vishnu's incarnation may be buddha, however, it's also > > > > > doubtful, coz.. > > > > > > > > > > 1. Neither in Vishnu Puran nor in Ram Charit Manas, mercurry > > > > (budha) > > > > > is mentioned as incarnation of Lord Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > 2. In the baudh dharama, there are hundreds of the stories of > > > > > budha's previous births before he finally born as budha, pls. > > > > refer > > > > > to Jatak Kathaa's. So, Gautam Budh can't be visnu's avtaar, if > > > > any > > > > > one can be an avtaar, he is greart sage Shankaracharya. > > > > > > > > > > Budha and modern Osho, they got confused at a level of > > > > spirituality > > > > > and didnt understand the truth, their personal conduct may be > > > > > charishmatic, but pls. look at what happened to thir > followers. > > > > what > > > > > followers did. Gautam Budhha, like osho, even doesn't tell the > > > > name > > > > > of his guru to world. this is ridiculous, a person who claims > to > > > > > become guru, doesn't tell others who was his own guru. > > > > > > > > > > Look at the end of Gautam Buddha, and try to understand the > > > > hidden > > > > > ambitions in his mind. the one who tries to expand his > religion > > > > can > > > > > never be an avtaar. avtaar kbnows all are his own expressions > > > > only, > > > > > he neeed not expand his religion. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Sushil > > > > Dikshit " > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes the incarnation of Mercury is Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kamal, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Jagan Nath Centre says like what u r have put, I m sure > > > > Jagan > > > > > > Nath > > > > > > > Centre has also not understand the reference to Budha in > the > > > > > BPHS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should avoid cooking up justifications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , KAMAL > SAHNI > > > > > > > <sightsolutions@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil an Chandra Shekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had asked same question about Budha Avatar. I friend > > > > from > > > > > > Jagan > > > > > > > nath centre gave me this answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > Budha is not the same as Buddha, the incarnation of the > > > > > Lord. > > > > > > > Budha is not an incarnation of the Lord, it's the Sanskrit > > > > name > > > > > for > > > > > > > Mercury, and he is the son of the Moon with Tara, the wife > > > > of > > > > > > > Jupiter, Brhaspati. The incarnation for Mercury is Vishnu! > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not understand fully Learned may add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The science was supposed to be transmitted in Guru to > > > > shishya > > > > > > > parampara no doubt. That was to stop it falling into the > > > > hands > > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > unscrupulous. However the Gurus did, through their > shishyas > > > > > leave a > > > > > > > vast wealth of knowledge which was carried by great feats > of > > > > > memory > > > > > > > through constant verbal recital. Some texts could have got > > > > > > corrupted > > > > > > > in transmission and as you have said that since the Gurus > to > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > and check the accuracy were no longer there, they appear > to > > > > have > > > > > > left > > > > > > > gaps in knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However we have to understand that in the voluminous > texts > > > > or > > > > > > > shlokas that they left behind there is great deal of > > > > principles > > > > > > that > > > > > > > are talked about and if we unravel the principles, it is > not > > > > > > > difficult to understood what could be corruption and what > is > > > > the > > > > > > > original text. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As to Buddha avatar being equated to Gautam Buddha, I > have > > > > my > > > > > > > reservations. I do not think they are the same person. If > > > > memory > > > > > > > serves me right the Buddha referred to in Avatara is > Sugata > > > > > Buddha > > > > > > > was born around 1500 B.C. in Bodhi gaya (Kikata) to Anjana > > > > and > > > > > is > > > > > > not > > > > > > > the Siddhartha Gautam Buddha who was born at Kapilavastu > > > > (563BC). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, Parashara makes it clear as to when the text was > > > > > > > told/written when he says that Kalpadruma yoga in these > days > > > > is > > > > > in > > > > > > > the chart of Yudhishthira and shall, in future, appear in > > > > the > > > > > chart > > > > > > > of Shalivahana. So your contention of we having no > knowledge > > > > of > > > > > > > prebuddha period jyotish is not perhaps correct. There is > > > > also > > > > > > > jyotish taught to sage Narada by sage Sanandana and then > > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > > Atharva Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: Hare ramakrishna > > > > > > > > respected chandra sekhar ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes sages left lot of gaps for us to fill ourself .And > > > > > many > > > > > > > books lost its originality as the real guru parampara is > > > > lost as > > > > > a > > > > > > > parampara guru is representing a tradition of 10 or 15 > > > > thousand > > > > > > years > > > > > > > of flow of knowledge and testing with practical life and > > > > they > > > > > know > > > > > > > the rules and riders and exceptions .After destruction of > > > > > gurukula > > > > > > > system and classical style of learning now many things we > r > > > > not > > > > > > > getting proper answers . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As regrds to parasara period --budha born in 500BC and > > > > even > > > > > our > > > > > > > indus valley civilisation in showing many vedic devatas > and > > > > yoga > > > > > > > postures and a vastu frndly city .That means we hav > > > > knowldege > > > > > abt > > > > > > the > > > > > > > jyothish pre budha period ,so in modern version of > parasari > > > > how > > > > > > budha > > > > > > > s reference came .it shows some additions happened .And > even > > > > > > baqyaya > > > > > > > saab said he has a copy of BPHS which has more slokas than > > > > what > > > > > > > available in market if my memeory is correct . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lack of support from public and any agencies we r realy > > > > > > > sufferring even in collecting and reserching and data > > > > > compilation > > > > > > and > > > > > > > as a professional astrologer myself ,i find even a wel > > > > placed > > > > > > > business man will happily consult u wihout paying anything > > > > were > > > > > as > > > > > > > all granthas says even gurus need not ask money but ppl > has > > > > to > > > > > or > > > > > > > must pay dakhsina means some thing which is max of their > > > > > > > capacity .They forget to support a noble system which is > > > > realy > > > > > > useful > > > > > > > for them . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh ,i crossed the context of our discussion > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sages do talk about what others say without > > > > commenting > > > > > on > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > implying that you may take it or use their own > > > > parameters. > > > > > So > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > talk about it in that manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal opinion is that unlike astrologers of the > > > > modern > > > > > > > times, the > > > > > > > > > rishis never claimed that their opinion on the divine > > > > > science > > > > > > is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > last one and inviolate. That is why they gave first > > > > other's > > > > > > > opinion with > > > > > > > > > due respect and then their own. They left it to the > > > > seeker > > > > > of > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > to find out for himself which opinion he finds suits > his > > > > way > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > interpretation of charts. That must have been done > with > > > > a > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > was sound enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many parameters of dasha vis-a-vis charakarakas have > > > > modern > > > > > > > origin and > > > > > > > > > no supporting classic text to support that premise. > So a > > > > > > blanket > > > > > > > > > statement that AK dasha in chara dasha is always bad, > > > > may > > > > > not > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > strictly correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not understood the reference to new testament > and > > > > its > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > to Parashara. The texts that were carried down through > > > > > > generation > > > > > > > > > through committing them to memory are likely to have > > > > > undergone > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > unintentional corruption, no doubt. yet the major > > > > structure > > > > > of > > > > > > > the text > > > > > > > > > would not change and it is up to the individual > > > > astrologer > > > > > to > > > > > > try > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > interpret what the sages said in the light of > principles > > > > > that > > > > > > are > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > by them and also by astrologers of the time when texts > > > > began > > > > > to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > written down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you and others can do a lot of meaningful > > > > research > > > > > to > > > > > > > come to > > > > > > > > > some concrete conclusion in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected chandrasekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we say that it depends on how u take it and > which > > > > > scheme . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont think rishis talk this way .SO either of us > is > > > > > going > > > > > > > wrong ( i > > > > > > > > > > mean opinions) ,i am after the truth .How we can > > > > relate > > > > > the > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > results in chart by seeing only tru only jaimini > > > > methods > > > > > with > > > > > > > rahu as > > > > > > > > > > AK ,like it says AK dasa in chara dasa will be > bad ,so > > > > we > > > > > hav > > > > > > > to take > > > > > > > > > > both AK which is rahu and some other planet and see > in > > > > so > > > > > > many > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > as much as possible and delinate results . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am worried abt the interpolations happened in > > > > > parasari ,a > > > > > > > rishi who > > > > > > > > > > might hav written BPHS in BC 3500 atleast and Budhas > > > > > > reference > > > > > > > in new > > > > > > > > > > testament (budha is vishnu avatar of mercury like > > > > this ) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope we can do some thing jointly with help of the > > > > other > > > > > > > members who r > > > > > > > > > > not bind by any gurudom slavery tru a reserch . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Much will depend on what scheme one prefers. If > one > > > > > > considers > > > > > > > > > > > Pitrukaraka along with other seven karakas, then > > > > Rahu > > > > > will > > > > > > > have to be > > > > > > > > > > > considered for Atmakaraka, naturally. There are > many > > > > > > opinions > > > > > > > on how > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is to be used and as Parashara indicates some > > > > think > > > > > > that > > > > > > > it is to > > > > > > > > > > > be used when a charakaraka place falls vacant due > to > > > > > amsha- > > > > > > > kala samya > > > > > > > > > > > (equal degrees and minutes for two grahas). There > > > > are > > > > > too > > > > > > > many opinions > > > > > > > > > > > and one has to find one's own way around Chara > > > > karaka. > > > > > By > > > > > > > definition > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > karaka being variable, there can be no ban on > nodes > > > > > > becoming a > > > > > > > > > > > charakaraka if one has to consider 8 karakas, then > > > > Rahu > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > certainly be > > > > > > > > > > > taken as AK is advanced in degrees traversed and > > > > > Parashara > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > tells how to see whether Rahu has acquired highest > > > > > degrees. > > > > > > > So the sage > > > > > > > > > > > does not seem to suggest any ban on Rahu as AK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not have many charts with AK being rahu and > > > > > occupying > > > > > > > lagna and > > > > > > > > > > > navamsha lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take care, > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got your point ,My question is that whether > the > > > > > nodes > > > > > > can > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > given any chara karakatwa .I would like to know > ur > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > opinion > > > > > > > > > > > > also .Even i used many times rahu as AK even i > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > many charts > > > > > > > > > > > > with rahu as AK .But i feel some where we r > > > > > missing .It > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > 7 karaka and 8 karaka scheme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in > lagna > > > > and > > > > > in > > > > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in > > > > this > > > > > group > > > > > > > has pls let > > > > > > > > > > > > me know the chart with some back ground > > > > > information .here > > > > > > i > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > > > > > for charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini > has > > > > > said > > > > > > > that Ak in > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna has a purticular result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > s.com, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > It means that " the planet who has traversed > most > > > > > > degrees > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > rasi is > > > > > > > > > > > > > the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some > > > > say > > > > > > there > > > > > > > are 8 > > > > > > > > > > karakas " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned > is > > > > > from > > > > > > > gurus . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can u translate the sloka and giv > explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Jaimini does talk about " atmaadika > > > > > kalaadibhirna > > > > > > > bhogaH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaan aaMvaa " vide sutra 11, > > > > > > adhyaaya1, > > > > > > > Pada > > > > > > > > > > 1, of > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can > not > > > > > just > > > > > > > throw that > > > > > > > > > > away, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though my personal opinion may be > different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka > > > > scheme is > > > > > > > absurd and > > > > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an interpolation in astrological > > treatise . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu > and > > > > > other > > > > > > > upa grahas > > > > > > > > > > > > which r > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this > > > > question > > > > > may > > > > > > > arise and > > > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > points i discussed in previous mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > > aling@ > > > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara > > > > > atmakaraka > > > > > > > with 8 chara > > > > > > > > > > > > karaka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scheme, option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear kamal ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul > > > > > > > indicater ),imagine > > > > > > > > > > sun is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universal atmakaraka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the other planets in chart > derive > > > > all > > > > > > power > > > > > > > from sun > > > > > > > > > > > > ,so only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets with physical bodies can > > > > become > > > > > > > atmakarak or > > > > > > > > > > > > derive power > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > > > aling@ > > > > > > > s.com, " Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > Learner " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like > > > > me. I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > friend > > > > > > > > > > who has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi > and > > > > > > > Debilitated and > > > > > > > > > > > > retro in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of > my > > > > > friends > > > > > > > daughter > > > > > > > > > > who has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa > > > > is in > > > > > > > Capricorn (own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different > > > > results > > > > > > should > > > > > > > the girls > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this > mail > > > > I > > > > > > looked > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > both the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my > > > > wife > > > > > and > > > > > > > daughter > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big > > > > > > collection > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > chart but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will > > > > expect on > > > > > > > probability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is is it just chance > or > > > > slow > > > > > > > moving planets > > > > > > > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar > > > > > people > > > > > > > close to > > > > > > > > > > me who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inner desires. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit > > > > For > > > > > > Good > > > > > > > this month. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Sir, Pls. confirm formation of dharma-karmadhipathi like yoga by Atmakaraka and Amatyakaraka is applicable in Gemini System or globaly applicable, thus an additions to yogas given by sage Bhrigu in BPHS regards, Lalit Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " appulali " <appulali wrote: > > Atmakaraka and amatyakaraka combination causes a yoga similar > dharma-karmadhipathi yoga > > Sridhar > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > There is no harm in trying to find out which is the right approach to > > the number of charakaraks. > > > > K.N. Rao does not use his own chara dasha, rather he uses his > > interpretation of how chara dashas should be calculated. So KNR is not > > against Parashari techniques as is thought by you. > > > > By the way a raj yoga is caused when AK and PutraKaraka join, > preferably > > in Lagna, 5th bhava, in exaltation or own rasi or own navamsha and not > > when AK and Amatyakaraka join, if my memory serves me right. > > > > I have always held that mere memorizing of yogas without understanding > > the astrological logic that leads to the results, attributed to them, > > may not allow one to come to any positive conclusion about what may > > happen to the jataka in future when analyzing a real life chart. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > respected chandra sekhar ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ,i wanted to see and more inquisive becuse i find many of my > > > frnds including lalit s Ak is rahu in 8 karaka scheme .And some other > > > planets in 7 karaka scheme . > > > > > > > > > > > > So i thought of enquiring in our way than just following some wriiten > > > or available books .Even K N rao he uses a chara dasa of his own > > > versions which is against parasari itself though i am yet to master > > > the techniqs .I find many horoscopes which go against dictums .For eg > > > >AK and AMK conjn gives raja yoga like this is not working in some > > > personal life .I find such chart as its a small girls chart the dasa > > > was of planets in lagna in chara dasa and this small girl is showing > > > as if possesssed by ghosts .And his father is small labourer and no > > > raja yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Becuse both cannot be true . > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > Rahu as AK in lagna is certain to give the person quite a bit of > self > > > > confidence, and perhaps a healthy body, as he is AK. Much will also > > > > depend on the rasi occupied and the grahas conjunct. In the case > where > > > > it aspects you have not specified whether you are talking about rasi > > > > aspect or graha aspect. When Rahu is conjunct AK, much depends > on which > > > > planet he is conjoining. With Sun it could indicate harm from snake > > > bite. > > > > > > > > I have already indicated what is the significance of any planet > who is > > > > also AK in lagna. > > > > > > > > Sanjay has stated a principle, from his parampara, but no > principle of > > > > astrology can be applied in isolation. You have to consider what > he has > > > > said elsewhere to understand the likely effect of such a > position of AK. > > > > > > > > Of course this is my personal opinion and other learned > astrologers may > > > > hold a different view. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Learner wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil and Chadra Shekar > > > > > > > > > > I have two charts with Rahu as AK and in lagna in rasi not > nvasma and > > > > > further two aspecting and with AK. > > > > > > > > > > Pl tell what is the significance of Rahu as AK and in Lagna or for > > > > > that matter any planet as AK and in lagna either Rashi or Navamsa > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath states if # > > > > > > > > > > If AK is in navamsa Lagna, the native belongs to a royal > family/ is of > > > > > > > > > > noble birth and lineage. If navamsa Lagna Lord conjoins AK, > then the > > > > > native, > > > > > > > > > > although of humble origin shall rise to a high rank equal to a > king. > > > > > If the AK > > > > > > > > > > aspects navamsa Lagna, then Royal association shall be present > > > from birth. > > > > > > > > > > The natural karaka of 1st house (Sun) should be strong to > indicate > > > the > > > > > extent > > > > > > > > > > of Rajyoga.# > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > ka > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > ** Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@ > > > > > *To:* Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:23 PM > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Vakri planets and > > > > > Atamakarka > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > Much will depend on what scheme one prefers. If one considers > > > > > Pitrukaraka along with other seven karakas, then Rahu will have to > > > > > be considered for Atmakaraka, naturally. There are many opinions > > > > > on how rahu is to be used and as Parashara indicates some think > > > > > that it is to be used when a charakaraka place falls vacant due to > > > > > amsha-kala samya (equal degrees and minutes for two grahas). There > > > > > are too many opinions and one has to find one's own way around > > > > > Chara karaka. By definition the karaka being variable, there can > > > > > be no ban on nodes becoming a charakaraka if one has to consider 8 > > > > > karakas, then Rahu can certainly be taken as AK is advanced in > > > > > degrees traversed and Parashara actually tells how to see whether > > > > > Rahu has acquired highest degrees. So the sage does not seem to > > > > > suggest any ban on Rahu as AK. > > > > > > > > > > I do not have many charts with AK being rahu and occupying lagna > > > > > and navamsha lagna. > > > > > > > > > > take care, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> hare ramakrishna, > > > > >> > > > > >> Respected chandra sekhar ji . > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> I got your point ,My question is that whether the nodes > > > > >> can be given any chara karakatwa .I would like to know ur > > > > >> personal opinion also .Even i used many times rahu as AK even i > > > > >> discussed many charts with rahu as AK .But i feel some where we r > > > > >> missing .It cannot be both 7 karaka and 8 karaka scheme. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> We hav to check any chart with rahu as Ak in lagna and in navamsa > > > > >> lagna and its results >if u hav or any body in this group has pls > > > > >> let me know the chart with some back ground information .here i > > > > >> am looking for charts with only rahu in lagna .As jaimini has > > > > >> said that Ak in lagna has a purticular result. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> regrds sunil nair. > > > > >> > > > > >> om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > > > > >> <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Dear Sunil, > > > > >> > It means that " the planet who has traversed most degrees in a > > > > >> rasi is > > > > >> > the atma karaka. Some say there are 7 and some say there are 8 > > > > >> karakas " . > > > > >> > Chandrashekhar. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > sunil nair wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Hare ramakrishna > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > I dont know sanskrit as what ever i learned is from gurus . > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Can u translate the sloka and giv explanation > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > regrds sunil nair > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > > >> Chandrashekhar > > > > >> > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > But Jaimini does talk about " atmaadika kalaadibhirna bhogaH > > > > >> > > > SaptamanaaMaSTamaan aaMvaa " vide sutra 11, adhyaaya1, Pada > > > > >> 1, of Jaimini > > > > >> > > > sutras, and so does Parashara. So we can not just throw > > > > >> that away, > > > > >> > > > though my personal opinion may be different. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Hare krishna, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > dear chandra sekhar ji . > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Yes ,i was saying that 8 charakaraka scheme is absurd and > > > > >> may be > > > > >> > > > > an interpolation in astrological treatise . > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > If rahu can be given then why not ketu and other upa > > > > >> grahas which r > > > > >> > > > > only mathermatical in nature ,this question may arise and > > > > >> important > > > > >> > > > > points i discussed in previous mail > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > > >> Chandrashekhar > > > > >> > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > I think Kamal is referring to Chara atmakaraka with 8 > > > > >> chara karaka > > > > >> > > > > > scheme, option. > > > > >> > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear kamal ji . > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Rahu cannot be atmakaraka ( soul indicater ),imagine > > > > >> sun is > > > > >> > > > > > > universal atmakaraka > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > and the other planets in chart derive all power from > > > > >> sun ,so only > > > > >> > > > > > > planets with physical bodies can become atmakarak or > > > > >> derive power > > > > >> > > > > from > > > > >> > > > > > > sun who is controller of all atmas. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > > >> " Vedic Learner " > > > > >> > > > > > > sightsolutions@ wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Very enlightening for novice like me. I have friend > > > > >> who has > > > > >> > > Saturn > > > > >> > > > > > > as retrograde and exalted in Rashi and Debilitated > > > > >> and retro in > > > > >> > > > > > > Navamsa. I have also have chart of my friends > > > > >> daughter who has > > > > >> > > > > exalted > > > > >> > > > > > > Saturn in 5th house which in navamsa is in Capricorn > > > > >> (own > > > > >> > > house and > > > > >> > > > > > > 12th). Will we expect different results should the > > > > >> girls chart > > > > >> > > have > > > > >> > > > > > > better results. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2nd question while writing this mail I looked at > > > > >> both the > > > > >> > > charts > > > > >> > > > > and > > > > >> > > > > > > found their AK planet is Rahu. I, my wife and > > > > >> daughter have > > > > >> > > Rahu as > > > > >> > > > > > > AK. As a beginner I do not have big collection of > > > > >> chart but > > > > >> > > find that > > > > >> > > > > > > rahu AK more often that one will expect on > probability. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > My question is is it just chance or slow moving > > > > >> planets are more > > > > >> > > > > > > likely to be AK or God bring similar people close to > > > > >> me who > > > > >> > > have same > > > > >> > > > > > > inner desires. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sincerely > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > kamal > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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