Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Dear Kamal, What i understand is - retrograde planets don't give smooth results, they bring unexpected twists, in fact, twisting is a perception not a property, this twisting may affect ur health if retroplanet is connected to health in the chart or may force you to travel all of sudden. Sun and Moon moves straightway so can't be retrograde, Rahu and Ketu are permanently retrograded. Why unexpected twists , reason is, they mix the result of previous house with the house they are placed. So, if they are debilitated, their result will not show constant debilitation, coz, of and on they will be mixing results of previous house to house of placement. Same is exaltation, no constant exaltation will be there, the mixing can increase exaltation more if the retrogradation happens in 10'th or 11'th house or in 2nd or 5'th house, but if the sign of previous house is inimical to retrograded planet, the exaltation may be felt reducing sometimes suddenly. This is what i understood, I have read the shloka that is translated to give results like what u mentioned but this is perhapse not true. Pls. ask and wait for our elders to give their opinoin. regards, Lalit Mishra. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Vedic Learner " <sightsolutions wrote: > > Dear Lalit Jee > > I was reading some where that if planet is retrograde the exaltation and debilitation are reversed. Pl clarify > > kamal > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Dear Kamal, Uttara kalamrita (If I remember right) does say that grahas that are in debility and retrograde act like exaltation and vice-a-versa. Chandrashekhar. litsol wrote: Dear Kamal, What i understand is - retrograde planets don't give smooth results, they bring unexpected twists, in fact, twisting is a perception not a property, this twisting may affect ur health if retroplanet is connected to health in the chart or may force you to travel all of sudden. Sun and Moon moves straightway so can't be retrograde, Rahu and Ketu are permanently retrograded. Why unexpected twists , reason is, they mix the result of previous house with the house they are placed. So, if they are debilitated, their result will not show constant debilitation, coz, of and on they will be mixing results of previous house to house of placement. Same is exaltation, no constant exaltation will be there, the mixing can increase exaltation more if the retrogradation happens in 10'th or 11'th house or in 2nd or 5'th house, but if the sign of previous house is inimical to retrograded planet, the exaltation may be felt reducing sometimes suddenly. This is what i understood, I have read the shloka that is translated to give results like what u mentioned but this is perhapse not true. Pls. ask and wait for our elders to give their opinoin. regards, Lalit Mishra. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner" <sightsolutions wrote: > > Dear Lalit Jee > > I was reading some where that if planet is retrograde the exaltation and debilitation are reversed. Pl clarify > > kamal > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Dear Sir, Pls. explain it with ur experience, is there any exception to uttarkalamrita that u may have seen. we will learn more from practical experiences. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Kamal, > > Uttara kalamrita (If I remember right) does say that grahas that are in > debility and retrograde act like exaltation and vice-a-versa. > Chandrashekhar. > > litsol wrote: > > > > Dear Kamal, > > > > What i understand is - retrograde planets don't give smooth results, > > they bring unexpected twists, in fact, twisting is a perception not a > > property, this twisting may affect ur health if retroplanet is > > connected to health in the chart or may force you to travel all of > > sudden. Sun and Moon moves straightway so can't be retrograde, Rahu > > and Ketu are permanently retrograded. > > > > Why unexpected twists , reason is, they mix the result of previous > > house with the house they are placed. > > > > So, if they are debilitated, their result will not show constant > > debilitation, coz, of and on they will be mixing results of previous > > house to house of placement. > > > > Same is exaltation, no constant exaltation will be there, the mixing > > can increase exaltation more if the retrogradation happens in 10'th > > or 11'th house or in 2nd or 5'th house, but if the sign of previous > > house is inimical to retrograded planet, the exaltation may be felt > > reducing sometimes suddenly. > > > > This is what i understood, I have read the shloka that is translated > > to give results like what u mentioned but this is perhapse not true. > > > > Pls. ask and wait for our elders to give their opinoin. > > > > regards, > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, " Vedic Learner " > > <sightsolutions@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit Jee > > > > > > I was reading some where that if planet is retrograde the > > exaltation and debilitation are reversed. Pl clarify > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Hare ramakrishna, dear lalit , Vakra is not an astronomical phenomenon ,when a planet is away from sun it shows as if its reversing when we see from earth . In a chart a vakra grha indicates some unfinished or some important desire from previous birth indicated by the karakatwa of planet.Its is the opinion of sri late R santanam . K N rao takes and consider it in transits when the major planets activating some lord ships . But my guru taught me ( no source --i dont know) a vakra planets act as if its frm previous house .So it acts as if in first place in first half of the life depending on karakatwa and we shud think their span in life time .And modify thier results depends on planets which is influencing them .So when in exalted position its not so after some time in life and debilation also not that way after some part of life as regrds to the karakatwa of planet. In dasa they depends on the aspects ,if malefic planets if aspected by benefics or functional benefics they will behave better.other wise bad. If memebers can post their experince with datas it will be more beneficial . regrds sunil nair. om shreem mahalaxmai namah. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol" <mishra.lalit wrote:>> Dear Sir,> > Pls. explain it with ur experience, is there any exception to > uttarkalamrita that u may have seen.> > we will learn more from practical experiences.> > regards,> Lalit.> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> >> > Dear Kamal,> > > > Uttara kalamrita (If I remember right) does say that grahas that > are in > > debility and retrograde act like exaltation and vice-a-versa.> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > litsol wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kamal,> > >> > > What i understand is - retrograde planets don't give smooth > results,> > > they bring unexpected twists, in fact, twisting is a perception > not a> > > property, this twisting may affect ur health if retroplanet is> > > connected to health in the chart or may force you to travel all > of> > > sudden. Sun and Moon moves straightway so can't be retrograde, > Rahu> > > and Ketu are permanently retrograded.> > >> > > Why unexpected twists , reason is, they mix the result of > previous> > > house with the house they are placed.> > >> > > So, if they are debilitated, their result will not show constant> > > debilitation, coz, of and on they will be mixing results of > previous> > > house to house of placement.> > >> > > Same is exaltation, no constant exaltation will be there, the > mixing> > > can increase exaltation more if the retrogradation happens in > 10'th> > > or 11'th house or in 2nd or 5'th house, but if the sign of > previous> > > house is inimical to retrograded planet, the exaltation may be > felt> > > reducing sometimes suddenly.> > >> > > This is what i understood, I have read the shloka that is > translated> > > to give results like what u mentioned but this is perhapse not > true.> > >> > > Pls. ask and wait for our elders to give their opinoin.> > >> > > regards,> > > Lalit Mishra.> > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "Vedic > Learner"> > > <sightsolutions@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit Jee> > > >> > > > I was reading some where that if planet is retrograde the> > > exaltation and debilitation are reversed. Pl clarify> > > >> > > > kamal> > > >> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Dear Sunil, I have no experience but as you were told by your Guru, I have also read some where behave as it belongs to the previous house and in case of mars Jupiter an Saturn they also aspects two additional house by virtue of its potential influence on the previous house where they are posted. e.g. Saturn will not only aspect 3,7,10 it will also aspect 2 and 9th house also thanks sincerely Hare Rama Krsna kamal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Dear Kamal, It's ok that we have some scriptures in which vakri/retrograded planet's are described, the description given in the classics seems very superficial and we need to understand how a retograde planet functions in house of horoscope. 1. as i said it mixes results of previous house. 2. It reverses the exaltation/debilitation in his house of placement. 3. It gives bad results (plainly bad) Now we need to analyse the results given by such planets to understand how'z exact behavior. We cant depend on only what is written in one scripture and also there should be no room left for a speculation however educated speculation it seems. Hope u understand my viewpoint. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Vedic Learner " <sightsolutions wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > > I have no experience but as you were told by your Guru, I have also read some where behave as it belongs to the previous house and in case of mars Jupiter an Saturn they also aspects two additional house by virtue of its potential influence on the previous house where they are posted. e.g. Saturn will not only aspect 3,7,10 it will also aspect 2 and 9th house also > > thanks > > sincerely > > Hare Rama Krsna > > kamal > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Hare ramakrishna, dear kamal ji, See this vakratwa ,suppose sani is influncing a planets in vakra s previous house his karma will be influnce the planet ,mars is planet of chemicals ,satru ,anger ,even cuts and wounds ,so such a way. In transit if the planet is 10th lord the transit if influencing the 12th house of the said planet it may giv a rise in position In prashna the matter will be solved on when the vakratwa is over of the karyesh-- like this u hav to take the results. regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner" <sightsolutions wrote:>> Dear Sunil,> > > I have no experience but as you were told by your Guru, I have also read some where behave as it belongs to the previous house and in case of mars Jupiter an Saturn they also aspects two additional house by virtue of its potential influence on the previous house where they are posted. e.g. Saturn will not only aspect 3,7,10 it will also aspect 2 and 9th house also> > thanks> > sincerely> > Hare Rama Krsna> > kamal> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Dear Lalit, Personally, I never go by empirical formulas in Jyotish. I understand that a retrograde planet is 3 times as powerful as a planet in regular motion in graha bala, as he is away from Sun, and gains strength just as Moon does when it is away from Sun. Now just because he is retrograde, I would not think he acts like being in an earlier house. neither would I think that whenever it is in debility it would act as if in exaltation without reference to where it is placed. I also do not think that debilitated planets always give bad results and find support for this, logic of mine, in Mansagari. If we assume that a graha that is in debility and retrograde acts like in exaltation then the reverse also must hold true. Till this point everything is fine but will the effects be identical when placed in dusthana and when not must be thought over at depth before making any judgement, is the way I would look at it. I could however agree to the theory that planets with additional aspects could also influence by the additional aspects on the reverse side too. This is because of more their strength than because they face backwards, which is the argument advanced sometimes. I do not think that the planets aspect because they have eyes and that they aspect backwards when they are retrograde. To me this does not appear logical as the sages did know that the planets did not have any human form and the only reason that, they are talked about as if they have human form is to make some characteristics of the planets easy to understand. Of course this is my personal opinion and other could hold a different view. Chandrashekhar. litsol wrote: Dear Sir, Pls. explain it with ur experience, is there any exception to uttarkalamrita that u may have seen. we will learn more from practical experiences. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Kamal, > > Uttara kalamrita (If I remember right) does say that grahas that are in > debility and retrograde act like exaltation and vice-a-versa. > Chandrashekhar. > > litsol wrote: > > > > Dear Kamal, > > > > What i understand is - retrograde planets don't give smooth results, > > they bring unexpected twists, in fact, twisting is a perception not a > > property, this twisting may affect ur health if retroplanet is > > connected to health in the chart or may force you to travel all of > > sudden. Sun and Moon moves straightway so can't be retrograde, Rahu > > and Ketu are permanently retrograded. > > > > Why unexpected twists , reason is, they mix the result of previous > > house with the house they are placed. > > > > So, if they are debilitated, their result will not show constant > > debilitation, coz, of and on they will be mixing results of previous > > house to house of placement. > > > > Same is exaltation, no constant exaltation will be there, the mixing > > can increase exaltation more if the retrogradation happens in 10'th > > or 11'th house or in 2nd or 5'th house, but if the sign of previous > > house is inimical to retrograded planet, the exaltation may be felt > > reducing sometimes suddenly. > > > > This is what i understood, I have read the shloka that is translated > > to give results like what u mentioned but this is perhapse not true. > > > > Pls. ask and wait for our elders to give their opinoin. > > > > regards, > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "Vedic Learner" > > <sightsolutions@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit Jee > > > > > > I was reading some where that if planet is retrograde the > > exaltation and debilitation are reversed. Pl clarify > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Hare ramakrishna, dear avesh ji . Pls test your principle in 100s of charts and see results b4 u proclaim a result > Also see the dasa ,ashta varga and trnasits happening along with that and see what celestial drama is unfolding in frnd of u and listem to the planets what they hav to tell u . If retro planets has no meaning then all birth chart reading itself is useless and atleast imagine what way its showing the poorva janama of an individual . Again remeber that astronomicaly or if u see tru electonic microscope its not happening and no planets are retro graded and its aphenomenn when we see from earth only we r seeing so .And if u take all planets that way why rahu ,ketu gulik etc has what importance in a birth charts along with other aprakashika grhas like yamakanta,ardhaprahara like that .Which doesnot hav any physical forms. off course i can reveal this much only and rest u hav to search urself and i dont blv in disclosing to a group which is against the dictums of rishis itself . all the best to u . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote:>> Namaskar Chandrashekarji & Lalitji,> > The interpretation of retrograde planets is one of the > most contested topics in present day jyotish> > I would like to add my experiences as below:> > (i)I do not agree with the view that Vakri Grahas act as if they are situated in the previous Bhava.> > This is not borne out by actual experience.In my own chart I have Guru & Shukra in Vakri (in 2nd & 8th house respectively) and they have most certainly not given the > results of placement in the 1st & 7th houses.> > (ii)A Neecha graha in retrograde motion certainly becomes> more powerful.> > If it is a malefic,it's power to harm becomes much more pronounced.> > Exalted benefics in retrograde motion DO NOT act like> Neecha Grahas,in fact that give very good results ( aspects,placement in Navamsha chart to be checked before coming to a conclusion)> > A Vakri graha shows some deep rooted desire from the > previous Janmas which the individual has to experience> on a internal level in this life.Vakri grahas are more subtle in their influence when compared to Grahas which> are direct in motion> > Looking forward to a more detailed discussion on this topic > > With Warm regards,> > aavesh> > > > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:> Dear Lalit,> > Personally, I never go by empirical formulas in Jyotish. I understand that a retrograde planet is 3 times as powerful as a planet in regular motion in graha bala, as he is away from Sun, and gains strength just as Moon does when it is away from Sun. > > Now just because he is retrograde, I would not think he acts like being in an earlier house. neither would I think that whenever it is in debility it would act as if in exaltation without reference to where it is placed. I also do not think that debilitated planets always give bad results and find support for this, logic of mine, in Mansagari.> > If we assume that a graha that is in debility and retrograde acts like in exaltation then the reverse also must hold true. Till this point everything is fine but will the effects be identical when placed in dusthana and when not must be thought over at depth before making any judgement, is the way I would look at it.> > I could however agree to the theory that planets with additional aspects could also influence by the additional aspects on the reverse side too. This is because of more their strength than because they face backwards, which is the argument advanced sometimes. I do not think that the planets aspect because they have eyes and that they aspect backwards when they are retrograde. To me this does not appear logical as the sages did know that the planets did not have any human form and the only reason that, they are talked about as if they have human form is to make some characteristics of the planets easy to understand.> > Of course this is my personal opinion and other could hold a different view.> > Chandrashekhar.> > > litsol wrote: Dear Sir,> > Pls. explain it with ur experience, is there any exception to > uttarkalamrita that u may have seen.> > we will learn more from practical experiences.> > regards,> Lalit.> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> >> > Dear Kamal,> > > > Uttara kalamrita (If I remember right) does say that grahas that > are in > > debility and retrograde act like exaltation and vice-a-versa.> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > litsol wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kamal,> > >> > > What i understand is - retrograde planets don't give smooth > results,> > > they bring unexpected twists, in fact, twisting is a perception > not a> > > property, this twisting may affect ur health if retroplanet is> > > connected to health in the chart or may force you to travel all > of> > > sudden. Sun and Moon moves straightway so can't be retrograde, > Rahu> > > and Ketu are permanently retrograded.> > >> > > Why unexpected twists , reason is, they mix the result of > previous> > > house with the house they are placed.> > >> > > So, if they are debilitated, their result will not show constant> > > debilitation, coz, of and on they will be mixing results of > previous> > > house to house of placement.> > >> > > Same is exaltation, no constant exaltation will be there, the > mixing> > > can increase exaltation more if the retrogradation happens in > 10'th> > > or 11'th house or in 2nd or 5'th house, but if the sign of > previous> > > house is inimical to retrograded planet, the exaltation may be > felt> > > reducing sometimes suddenly.> > >> > > This is what i understood, I have read the shloka that is > translated> > > to give results like what u mentioned but this is perhapse not > true.> > >> > > Pls. ask and wait for our elders to give their opinoin.> > >> > > regards,> > > Lalit Mishra.> > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "Vedic > Learner"> > > <sightsolutions@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit Jee> > > >> > > > I was reading some where that if planet is retrograde the> > > exaltation and debilitation are reversed. Pl clarify> > > >> > > > kamal> > > >> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Aavesh Ji, Namaskaar, Thanx for giving ur's personal experience, it's important to clarify where i got the impression like Vakri Grahas act as if they are situated in the previous Bhava. K.N Rao in his book - " UPS and DOWNS of careers " in the 15'th page, he has written retrograde planets at occasions mix result of their previous house thus for Jupitor,Saturn and Mars, u get 3 more houses being aspected. last week only i purchased his book. He doesnt reveal the source, only says, Sage Brigu has quoted this principle that i think should either be Bhrigu Nadi or Bhrigu Hora. In my chart Jupitor placed in 10'th house and is retrograded, Sunil Nair ji analysed some characteristics consider this type of retrogradation. We need to have some charts to cross check K.N Rao's views. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > > Namaskar Chandrashekarji & Lalitji, > > The interpretation of retrograde planets is one of the > most contested topics in present day jyotish > > I would like to add my experiences as below: > > (i)I do not agree with the view that Vakri Grahas act as if they are situated in the previous Bhava. > > This is not borne out by actual experience.In my own chart I have Guru & Shukra in Vakri (in 2nd & 8th house respectively) and they have most certainly not given the > results of placement in the 1st & 7th houses. > > (ii)A Neecha graha in retrograde motion certainly becomes > more powerful. > > If it is a malefic,it's power to harm becomes much more pronounced. > > Exalted benefics in retrograde motion DO NOT act like > Neecha Grahas,in fact that give very good results ( aspects,placement in Navamsha chart to be checked before coming to a conclusion) > > A Vakri graha shows some deep rooted desire from the > previous Janmas which the individual has to experience > on a internal level in this life.Vakri grahas are more subtle in their influence when compared to Grahas which > are direct in motion > > Looking forward to a more detailed discussion on this topic > > With Warm regards, > > aavesh > > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > Dear Lalit, > > Personally, I never go by empirical formulas in Jyotish. I understand that a retrograde planet is 3 times as powerful as a planet in regular motion in graha bala, as he is away from Sun, and gains strength just as Moon does when it is away from Sun. > > Now just because he is retrograde, I would not think he acts like being in an earlier house. neither would I think that whenever it is in debility it would act as if in exaltation without reference to where it is placed. I also do not think that debilitated planets always give bad results and find support for this, logic of mine, in Mansagari. > > If we assume that a graha that is in debility and retrograde acts like in exaltation then the reverse also must hold true. Till this point everything is fine but will the effects be identical when placed in dusthana and when not must be thought over at depth before making any judgement, is the way I would look at it. > > I could however agree to the theory that planets with additional aspects could also influence by the additional aspects on the reverse side too. This is because of more their strength than because they face backwards, which is the argument advanced sometimes. I do not think that the planets aspect because they have eyes and that they aspect backwards when they are retrograde. To me this does not appear logical as the sages did know that the planets did not have any human form and the only reason that, they are talked about as if they have human form is to make some characteristics of the planets easy to understand. > > Of course this is my personal opinion and other could hold a different view. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > litsol wrote: Dear Sir, > > Pls. explain it with ur experience, is there any exception to > uttarkalamrita that u may have seen. > > we will learn more from practical experiences. > > regards, > Lalit. > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kamal, > > > > Uttara kalamrita (If I remember right) does say that grahas that > are in > > debility and retrograde act like exaltation and vice-a-versa. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kamal, > > > > > > What i understand is - retrograde planets don't give smooth > results, > > > they bring unexpected twists, in fact, twisting is a perception > not a > > > property, this twisting may affect ur health if retroplanet is > > > connected to health in the chart or may force you to travel all > of > > > sudden. Sun and Moon moves straightway so can't be retrograde, > Rahu > > > and Ketu are permanently retrograded. > > > > > > Why unexpected twists , reason is, they mix the result of > previous > > > house with the house they are placed. > > > > > > So, if they are debilitated, their result will not show constant > > > debilitation, coz, of and on they will be mixing results of > previous > > > house to house of placement. > > > > > > Same is exaltation, no constant exaltation will be there, the > mixing > > > can increase exaltation more if the retrogradation happens in > 10'th > > > or 11'th house or in 2nd or 5'th house, but if the sign of > previous > > > house is inimical to retrograded planet, the exaltation may be > felt > > > reducing sometimes suddenly. > > > > > > This is what i understood, I have read the shloka that is > translated > > > to give results like what u mentioned but this is perhapse not > true. > > > > > > Pls. ask and wait for our elders to give their opinoin. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, " Vedic > Learner " > > > <sightsolutions@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit Jee > > > > > > > > I was reading some where that if planet is retrograde the > > > exaltation and debilitation are reversed. Pl clarify > > > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Dear Sir, This is what i wanted to understand. my doubts are over. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > > Personally, I never go by empirical formulas in Jyotish. I understand > that a retrograde planet is 3 times as powerful as a planet in regular > motion in graha bala, as he is away from Sun, and gains strength just as > Moon does when it is away from Sun. > > Now just because he is retrograde, I would not think he acts like being > in an earlier house. neither would I think that whenever it is in > debility it would act as if in exaltation without reference to where it > is placed. I also do not think that debilitated planets always give bad > results and find support for this, logic of mine, in Mansagari. > > If we assume that a graha that is in debility and retrograde acts like > in exaltation then the reverse also must hold true. Till this point > everything is fine but will the effects be identical when placed in > dusthana and when not must be thought over at depth before making any > judgement, is the way I would look at it. > > I could however agree to the theory that planets with additional aspects > could also influence by the additional aspects on the reverse side too. > This is because of more their strength than because they face backwards, > which is the argument advanced sometimes. I do not think that the > planets aspect because they have eyes and that they aspect backwards > when they are retrograde. To me this does not appear logical as the > sages did know that the planets did not have any human form and the only > reason that, they are talked about as if they have human form is to make > some characteristics of the planets easy to understand. > > Of course this is my personal opinion and other could hold a different view. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > litsol wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > Pls. explain it with ur experience, is there any exception to > > uttarkalamrita that u may have seen. > > > > we will learn more from practical experiences. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kamal, > > > > > > Uttara kalamrita (If I remember right) does say that grahas that > > are in > > > debility and retrograde act like exaltation and vice-a-versa. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kamal, > > > > > > > > What i understand is - retrograde planets don't give smooth > > results, > > > > they bring unexpected twists, in fact, twisting is a perception > > not a > > > > property, this twisting may affect ur health if retroplanet is > > > > connected to health in the chart or may force you to travel all > > of > > > > sudden. Sun and Moon moves straightway so can't be retrograde, > > Rahu > > > > and Ketu are permanently retrograded. > > > > > > > > Why unexpected twists , reason is, they mix the result of > > previous > > > > house with the house they are placed. > > > > > > > > So, if they are debilitated, their result will not show constant > > > > debilitation, coz, of and on they will be mixing results of > > previous > > > > house to house of placement. > > > > > > > > Same is exaltation, no constant exaltation will be there, the > > mixing > > > > can increase exaltation more if the retrogradation happens in > > 10'th > > > > or 11'th house or in 2nd or 5'th house, but if the sign of > > previous > > > > house is inimical to retrograded planet, the exaltation may be > > felt > > > > reducing sometimes suddenly. > > > > > > > > This is what i understood, I have read the shloka that is > > translated > > > > to give results like what u mentioned but this is perhapse not > > true. > > > > > > > > Pls. ask and wait for our elders to give their opinoin. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, " Vedic > > Learner " > > > > <sightsolutions@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit Jee > > > > > > > > > > I was reading some where that if planet is retrograde the > > > > exaltation and debilitation are reversed. Pl clarify > > > > > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Dear Aavesh, It seems your experience is in line with my opinion on the subject. I am not so sure about vakri grahas indicting deep rooted desire from previous birth etc. as referred astrological texts do not seem to say as much. But there could be some texts which mention this, that I have not read. Take care, Chandrashekhar. aavesh t wrote: Namaskar Chandrashekarji & Lalitji, The interpretation of retrograde planets is one of the most contested topics in present day jyotish I would like to add my experiences as below: (i)I do not agree with the view that Vakri Grahas act as if they are situated in the previous Bhava. This is not borne out by actual experience.In my own chart I have Guru & Shukra in Vakri (in 2nd & 8th house respectively) and they have most certainly not given the results of placement in the 1st & 7th houses. (ii)A Neecha graha in retrograde motion certainly becomes more powerful. If it is a malefic,it's power to harm becomes much more pronounced. Exalted benefics in retrograde motion DO NOT act like Neecha Grahas,in fact that give very good results ( aspects,placement in Navamsha chart to be checked before coming to a conclusion) A Vakri graha shows some deep rooted desire from the previous Janmas which the individual has to experience on a internal level in this life.Vakri grahas are more subtle in their influence when compared to Grahas which are direct in motion Looking forward to a more detailed discussion on this topic With Warm regards, aavesh Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Lalit, Personally, I never go by empirical formulas in Jyotish. I understand that a retrograde planet is 3 times as powerful as a planet in regular motion in graha bala, as he is away from Sun, and gains strength just as Moon does when it is away from Sun. Now just because he is retrograde, I would not think he acts like being in an earlier house. neither would I think that whenever it is in debility it would act as if in exaltation without reference to where it is placed. I also do not think that debilitated planets always give bad results and find support for this, logic of mine, in Mansagari. If we assume that a graha that is in debility and retrograde acts like in exaltation then the reverse also must hold true. Till this point everything is fine but will the effects be identical when placed in dusthana and when not must be thought over at depth before making any judgement, is the way I would look at it. I could however agree to the theory that planets with additional aspects could also influence by the additional aspects on the reverse side too. This is because of more their strength than because they face backwards, which is the argument advanced sometimes. I do not think that the planets aspect because they have eyes and that they aspect backwards when they are retrograde. To me this does not appear logical as the sages did know that the planets did not have any human form and the only reason that, they are talked about as if they have human form is to make some characteristics of the planets easy to understand. Of course this is my personal opinion and other could hold a different view. Chandrashekhar. litsol wrote: Dear Sir, Pls. explain it with ur experience, is there any exception to uttarkalamrita that u may have seen. we will learn more from practical experiences. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Kamal, > > Uttara kalamrita (If I remember right) does say that grahas that are in > debility and retrograde act like exaltation and vice-a-versa. > Chandrashekhar. > > litsol wrote: > > > > Dear Kamal, > > > > What i understand is - retrograde planets don't give smooth results, > > they bring unexpected twists, in fact, twisting is a perception not a > > property, this twisting may affect ur health if retroplanet is > > connected to health in the chart or may force you to travel all of > > sudden. Sun and Moon moves straightway so can't be retrograde, Rahu > > and Ketu are permanently retrograded. > > > > Why unexpected twists , reason is, they mix the result of previous > > house with the house they are placed. > > > > So, if they are debilitated, their result will not show constant > > debilitation, coz, of and on they will be mixing results of previous > > house to house of placement. > > > > Same is exaltation, no constant exaltation will be there, the mixing > > can increase exaltation more if the retrogradation happens in 10'th > > or 11'th house or in 2nd or 5'th house, but if the sign of previous > > house is inimical to retrograded planet, the exaltation may be felt > > reducing sometimes suddenly. > > > > This is what i understood, I have read the shloka that is translated > > to give results like what u mentioned but this is perhapse not true. > > > > Pls. ask and wait for our elders to give their opinoin. > > > > regards, > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "Vedic Learner" > > <sightsolutions@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit Jee > > > > > > I was reading some where that if planet is retrograde the > > exaltation and debilitation are reversed. Pl clarify > > > > > > kamal > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Dear Gopu Ji, can u do a favor of mine by sending this attachement to my gmail id - ' mishra.lalit ' regards, Lalit Mishra. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > the above attachment gives a visual depiction of the > planets under retrogression in relation to earth and > sun. > I hope u will be in a position to install the program > and view the same. > > good luck, > k.gopu > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. > http://farechase./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 dear Mr.lalith, twice i sent the attachment to ur mail id, but it got returned. kindly chek and give any other mail id so as to send the attachment. good luck k.gopu ______________________________\ ____ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Sir, I m sorry, Pls, send it to my office id - mlalit. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > dear Mr.lalith, > twice i sent the attachment to ur mail id, but it got > returned. kindly chek and give any other mail id so as > to send the attachment. > > good luck > k.gopu > > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > http://searchmarketing./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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