Guest guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Lalitji, I will post Osho's birth details tomorrow morning I could not understand what you meant by 'more BD's of typical nature'.Could you be more specific ?? Regards, aavesh litsol <mishra.lalit wrote: Pls. send his BD as well more BD's of typical nature, helping to increase level of understanding.regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t wrote:>> Namaskar Lalitji,> > Thanks for the clarification.> > Now that you are learning Jyotish,why don't you have a look at Osho's chart (if intersted I can send you his birth data)> > Jyotish gives you an advantage that cannot be expressed> in mere words (Jyotish is derieved from 'Jyoti' & 'Isha' meaning 'Light of God').> > If Jyotish is practiced as a Sadhana, it can give remarkable insights into the psyche of an individual which will be impossible without this knowledge> > Now that you are on the path, try to study as many charts> as time permits (Take care however to continue your > meditation/mantras which will give you a clear perspective & aid your intution)> > I had a preliminary look at your chart & I feel that you > have the potential to achieve a lot in the field of > Jyotish (I will comment on your chart/queries on Wednesday)> > With warm regards,> > aavesh> > > litsol wrote:> No No Sir, Some misunderstanding is there, in this mail, i have > expressed my personal thoughts about him after reading his books and > his way of life and going once or twice to camps organised by his > followers. It has no relation with his chart.> > Sorry !!> > > regards,> Lalit.> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > wrote:> >> > Namaskar Lalitji,> > > > At the outset,let me clarify that i am not a follower of > > Rajneesh/his school of thought (in case you do not want to call > it a philosophy)> > > > My observations on your comments:> > > > I think he was a lonely person having spiritual inquisitiveness and > > extrem sexual dissatisfaction, this depreivation led him to look at > > everythin from this angle.> > > > Could you pls let us know how you came to this conclusion ??.> > > > As students of Jyotish it is important that we take an impartial > view of the chart under consideration without any prejudices coming > into the picture.> > > > The best way to do that is to forget that the chart belongs to > Rajneesh & analyse it with all your Jyotish knowledge & intution.> > > > However when it comes to practice,this is easier said than done !!> > > > otherwise, mere sex cant take anyone to superconsciousness, If > sex > > can then eating sweets, playing golf, weekend purchasings, > consuming > > alcohal can also take.> > > > You are right.Mindless indulgence in sexual activity > > cannot take anyone to superconsciousness> > > > people liked him coz he was presenting a different thing > confidently.> > > > One cannot deny the fact that he was extremely charismatic.> > > > He was one of the few people who could speak on any aspect of > spirituality be it Zen,Buddhism,Sufism etc> > at a moments notice> > > > > > Namaskaar,Any philosphy should be accepted only if followers are > > attainting at the status about what the philoshpy is. but who is > > after Osho among his followers ? philosphy itself is > wrong,incomplete > > and confused so, not a single follower is supposed to get what he > is > > shown by osho.> > > > if we compare this with ramkrishna paramhannsha's approach, at > least > > we know vivekananda and his 12 friends (guru-bhai) attaining the > > status of superconsciousness and also one or two people going > forward.> > > > What you are saying is very true.> > > > However,you should also consider the fact that whether he wanted > any successor at all ??> > > > May bem in his last time, when he could bit overcome his lust, he > > could believe what he delivered whole life in his speeches.> > > > So, i expect at least more birth for him to have a review of what > he > > has spoken.> > > > No comments !!> > > > I once again wish to reiterate that I am not pointing out > > any flaws in your analysis but giving you certain hints> > regarding chart reading> > > > The rest as they say 'Samajdhar Ko Ishara Kafi Hai'> > > > Regards,> > > > aavesh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalitji,> > > > > > > > > (i)The chart of Osho is quite complex (to put it mildly)> > > > > > > > > His philosophy is aptly illustrated by the title of one his > > books :> > > > > > 'Sambhog Se Samadhi Tak' (From Sex to Superconsciousness)> > > > > > (ii)The defining factor in Osho's chart is the placement > > > of Guru in Uccha Rasi in the 3rd house (in Vakri)> > > > > > This chart can be taken as a case study to prove that Exalted > > planets in retrograde motion DO NOT act like debilitated planets> > > > > > > > > (iii)The biggest misconception about Osho is that his> > > philosophy was all about sex.> > > > > > Nothing could be further from the truth !!> > > > > > The Sanyasa yoga occurs in Dhanur Rasi which gives the > > > greatest saints to the world> > > > > > (iv)Shukra in Neecha Rasi along with Rahu (in Navamsha> > > Lagna ) is the reason why his phiosophy had sex at it's core.> > > > > > Also Mangal as lord of 8th (in Mithuna Rasi) in Navamsha added to > > this misconception> > > > > > Osho's chart can be a reveleation if it is studied from the point > > of view of esoteric Jyotish > > > > > > With Warm Regards,> > > > > > aavesh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote:> > > Osho Rajneesh > > > > > > A journalist asked, why are most of your disciples RICH? Why > don't > > you cater to the poor people of the society? You have your > Christian > > missionary to save the poor. Let me be with the riches, said Osho > > Rajneesh in one of the interviews. > > > Osho Rajneesh is referred to as THE gutsy man of the century, and > > one of the original thinkers of India. He probably was the only > > person to call the spade a spade! > > > He didn't belong to the school of thoughts that preached > > renunciation of material pleasure to attain nirvana. Instead he > said > > enjoy all the pleasures that life can provide and get over with > them > > at the earliest. Once enough is achieved only then will a person be > > able to achieve something that is beyond materialistic pleasures. > > > Osho's flamboyant life style, opulent dresses and luxurious way > > of living defied every convention and made him a source of > > controversy. His prolific authorship of 750 books plus and 100 > Rolls > > Royce (the exact number is still a controversy) provide contrasting > > pictures. > > > He was intelligent, sharp and humorous. He had a gift of speech > > for justifying any thing along with a baffling logic. Whenever he > > spoke, his words never failed to make a lasting impact. No wonder > he > > was one of most influential thinkers of 20th century. He repeatedly > > told his follower that, "I am a new beginning in the world of > > spirituality." > > > Here we analyze Osho Rajneesh formerly known as Bhagwan > > Rajneesh's natal chart, and find the astrological reason for his > life > > and his life patterns. > > > Phaladeepika, the famous textbook on astrology, talks about the > > yoga called Sanyas Yoga. When four or more planets are located in a > > single house the person will become a Sanyasi. Osho Rajneesh had > five > > planets in 8th house. In addition, he was called as sex guru > because > > he had many planets in the house of sex. There is also an exchange > > between Moon and Jupiter, which made him controversial and at the > > same time charismatic. > > > He had luxurious life style because he had fantastic Dhana Yoga. > > There is a particular lagna called as Indu lagna from which the > > person's wealth can be seen. In Osho's case he had Mithuna as Indu > > lagna. To this house almost 5 planets aspect the Indu lagna, and > also > > the exchange of Jupiter and Moon increase the power of Yogas. > > > The combination of second and 11th lord from lagna, Indu lagna > > and also Chandra lagna made him rich beyond conventions. Most > saints > > are simple because they do not have good Dhana Yogas. > > > He had tremendous luck as far as traveling abroad was concerned. > > He lived abroad and then came to India because of connection among > > 3rd, 7th and 9th lords. The reason for his authorship is due to the > > connection between 10th and the 3rd lord. > > > His sixth house has 47 point in Astavarga, which invariably gave > > rise to too many enemies, who wished for his early death. > > > His fifth house for disciples is very weak. Some of his disciples > > cheated, duped and tried to poison him. > > > He never could leave or produce a worthy successor. He could not > > produce someone in the caliber of Swami Vivekanada. > > > His disciples were mediocre in spiritual growth, and after his > > death they fought and made life miserable for many others too. This > > is because the 5th lord of disciples is in the 8th house of > problems > > and controversy. > > > His 5th house had Ketu. He had lot of foreign disciples and Ketu > > represents women .He never got married officially because his > seventh > > lord, in both rasi and navamsha charts, are afflicted. > > > His 1st and 8th lords were connected hence Osho was able to die a > > conscious death. In his final discourse he said, "I am leaving a > > dream". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to > know > > how.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Osho is an enlightened person. Just becoz our concept/preception of enlightenment is associated with Buddha/Jesus does not mean there are not other means. If we look at Krishna (or Prophet Muhammad, there are quotes from Koran), there are explicit songs and quotes where Krishna is associated in sex/yoga with many women. if you look at history of Tibetan Dalai Lama, Many of them are associated with tantra and sex. (one of the signs of enlightenment is the ability to " pull back " your urine or sperm after releasing them but before it reaches the ground - with this ability you can be associated any number of woman all the time becoz one more sign of enlightment is sleeplessness and lack of fatigue/tiredness) Osho is a great teacher and very honest and truthful. 47 points in sixth house also caused serious health problems/diseases all thru his life. Just think 5000 hours of recorded speech, 750 written books,(From Sex to Superconsciousness is theonly book he wrote about sex) he has personally read and quoted from 150,000 books. plus he had traveled to so many countries. He lived till 59 yrs, he quoted that he is enlightened at age of 21 , so in like 36 yrs or like 13000 days he did all this !!!!. how is it possible for an ordinary person? Even the Indian Government recognizes his contribution, after Mahatma Gandhi, ONLY OSHO books and teaching are available in Library at Indian Parliament. Regards Sridhar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > > Lalitji, > > I will post Osho's birth details tomorrow morning > > I could not understand what you meant by 'more BD's of > typical nature'.Could you be more specific ?? > > Regards, > > aavesh > > > litsol <mishra.lalit wrote: > Pls. send his BD as well more BD's of typical nature, helping to > increase level of understanding. > > regards, > Lalit. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > wrote: > > > > Namaskar Lalitji, > > > > Thanks for the clarification. > > > > Now that you are learning Jyotish,why don't you have a look at > Osho's chart (if intersted I can send you his birth data) > > > > Jyotish gives you an advantage that cannot be expressed > > in mere words (Jyotish is derieved from 'Jyoti' & 'Isha' > meaning 'Light of God'). > > > > If Jyotish is practiced as a Sadhana, it can give remarkable > insights into the psyche of an individual which will be impossible > without this knowledge > > > > Now that you are on the path, try to study as many charts > > as time permits (Take care however to continue your > > meditation/mantras which will give you a clear perspective & aid > your intution) > > > > I had a preliminary look at your chart & I feel that you > > have the potential to achieve a lot in the field of > > Jyotish (I will comment on your chart/queries on Wednesday) > > > > With warm regards, > > > > aavesh > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > No No Sir, Some misunderstanding is there, in this mail, i have > > expressed my personal thoughts about him after reading his books > and > > his way of life and going once or twice to camps organised by his > > followers. It has no relation with his chart. > > > > Sorry !! > > > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaskar Lalitji, > > > > > > At the outset,let me clarify that i am not a follower of > > > Rajneesh/his school of thought (in case you do not want to call > > it a philosophy) > > > > > > My observations on your comments: > > > > > > I think he was a lonely person having spiritual inquisitiveness > and > > > extrem sexual dissatisfaction, this depreivation led him to look > at > > > everythin from this angle. > > > > > > Could you pls let us know how you came to this conclusion ??. > > > > > > As students of Jyotish it is important that we take an impartial > > view of the chart under consideration without any prejudices coming > > into the picture. > > > > > > The best way to do that is to forget that the chart belongs to > > Rajneesh & analyse it with all your Jyotish knowledge & intution. > > > > > > However when it comes to practice,this is easier said than done !! > > > > > > otherwise, mere sex cant take anyone to superconsciousness, If > > sex > > > can then eating sweets, playing golf, weekend purchasings, > > consuming > > > alcohal can also take. > > > > > > You are right.Mindless indulgence in sexual activity > > > cannot take anyone to superconsciousness > > > > > > people liked him coz he was presenting a different thing > > confidently. > > > > > > One cannot deny the fact that he was extremely charismatic. > > > > > > He was one of the few people who could speak on any aspect of > > spirituality be it Zen,Buddhism,Sufism etc > > > at a moments notice > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar,Any philosphy should be accepted only if followers are > > > attainting at the status about what the philoshpy is. but who is > > > after Osho among his followers ? philosphy itself is > > wrong,incomplete > > > and confused so, not a single follower is supposed to get what he > > is > > > shown by osho. > > > > > > if we compare this with ramkrishna paramhannsha's approach, at > > least > > > we know vivekananda and his 12 friends (guru-bhai) attaining the > > > status of superconsciousness and also one or two people going > > forward. > > > > > > What you are saying is very true. > > > > > > However,you should also consider the fact that whether he wanted > > any successor at all ?? > > > > > > May bem in his last time, when he could bit overcome his lust, he > > > could believe what he delivered whole life in his speeches. > > > > > > So, i expect at least more birth for him to have a review of what > > he > > > has spoken. > > > > > > No comments !! > > > > > > I once again wish to reiterate that I am not pointing out > > > any flaws in your analysis but giving you certain hints > > > regarding chart reading > > > > > > The rest as they say 'Samajdhar Ko Ishara Kafi Hai' > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > (i)The chart of Osho is quite complex (to put it mildly) > > > > > > > > > > > > His philosophy is aptly illustrated by the title of one his > > > books : > > > > > > > > 'Sambhog Se Samadhi Tak' (From Sex to Superconsciousness) > > > > > > > > (ii)The defining factor in Osho's chart is the placement > > > > of Guru in Uccha Rasi in the 3rd house (in Vakri) > > > > > > > > This chart can be taken as a case study to prove that Exalted > > > planets in retrograde motion DO NOT act like debilitated planets > > > > > > > > > > > > (iii)The biggest misconception about Osho is that his > > > > philosophy was all about sex. > > > > > > > > Nothing could be further from the truth !! > > > > > > > > The Sanyasa yoga occurs in Dhanur Rasi which gives the > > > > greatest saints to the world > > > > > > > > (iv)Shukra in Neecha Rasi along with Rahu (in Navamsha > > > > Lagna ) is the reason why his phiosophy had sex at it's core. > > > > > > > > Also Mangal as lord of 8th (in Mithuna Rasi) in Navamsha added > to > > > this misconception > > > > > > > > Osho's chart can be a reveleation if it is studied from the > point > > > of view of esoteric Jyotish > > > > > > > > With Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > Osho Rajneesh > > > > > > > > A journalist asked, why are most of your disciples RICH? Why > > don't > > > you cater to the poor people of the society? You have your > > Christian > > > missionary to save the poor. Let me be with the riches, said Osho > > > Rajneesh in one of the interviews. > > > > Osho Rajneesh is referred to as THE gutsy man of the century, > and > > > one of the original thinkers of India. He probably was the only > > > person to call the spade a spade! > > > > He didn't belong to the school of thoughts that preached > > > renunciation of material pleasure to attain nirvana. Instead he > > said > > > enjoy all the pleasures that life can provide and get over with > > them > > > at the earliest. Once enough is achieved only then will a person > be > > > able to achieve something that is beyond materialistic pleasures. > > > > Osho's flamboyant life style, opulent dresses and luxurious way > > > of living defied every convention and made him a source of > > > controversy. His prolific authorship of 750 books plus and 100 > > Rolls > > > Royce (the exact number is still a controversy) provide > contrasting > > > pictures. > > > > He was intelligent, sharp and humorous. He had a gift of speech > > > for justifying any thing along with a baffling logic. Whenever he > > > spoke, his words never failed to make a lasting impact. No wonder > > he > > > was one of most influential thinkers of 20th century. He > repeatedly > > > told his follower that, " I am a new beginning in the world of > > > spirituality. " > > > > Here we analyze Osho Rajneesh formerly known as Bhagwan > > > Rajneesh's natal chart, and find the astrological reason for his > > life > > > and his life patterns. > > > > Phaladeepika, the famous textbook on astrology, talks about the > > > yoga called Sanyas Yoga. When four or more planets are located in > a > > > single house the person will become a Sanyasi. Osho Rajneesh had > > five > > > planets in 8th house. In addition, he was called as sex guru > > because > > > he had many planets in the house of sex. There is also an > exchange > > > between Moon and Jupiter, which made him controversial and at the > > > same time charismatic. > > > > He had luxurious life style because he had fantastic Dhana > Yoga. > > > There is a particular lagna called as Indu lagna from which the > > > person's wealth can be seen. In Osho's case he had Mithuna as > Indu > > > lagna. To this house almost 5 planets aspect the Indu lagna, and > > also > > > the exchange of Jupiter and Moon increase the power of Yogas. > > > > The combination of second and 11th lord from lagna, Indu lagna > > > and also Chandra lagna made him rich beyond conventions. Most > > saints > > > are simple because they do not have good Dhana Yogas. > > > > He had tremendous luck as far as traveling abroad was > concerned. > > > He lived abroad and then came to India because of connection > among > > > 3rd, 7th and 9th lords. The reason for his authorship is due to > the > > > connection between 10th and the 3rd lord. > > > > His sixth house has 47 point in Astavarga, which invariably > gave > > > rise to too many enemies, who wished for his early death. > > > > His fifth house for disciples is very weak. Some of his > disciples > > > cheated, duped and tried to poison him. > > > > He never could leave or produce a worthy successor. He could > not > > > produce someone in the caliber of Swami Vivekanada. > > > > His disciples were mediocre in spiritual growth, and after his > > > death they fought and made life miserable for many others too. > This > > > is because the 5th lord of disciples is in the 8th house of > > problems > > > and controversy. > > > > His 5th house had Ketu. He had lot of foreign disciples and > Ketu > > > represents women .He never got married officially because his > > seventh > > > lord, in both rasi and navamsha charts, are afflicted. > > > > His 1st and 8th lords were connected hence Osho was able to die > a > > > conscious death. In his final discourse he said, " I am leaving a > > > dream " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to > > know > > > how. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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