Osho's Details - Pre AND Post Enlightenement !!!

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Osho writes - He became enlightened at 21, let's understand him, how he knows he is enlightened.

Pre Enlightenment

1. Twenty-first March, 1953. For many lives I had been working -- working upon myself, struggling, doing whatsoever can be done -- and nothing was happening. Just before twenty-first March, 1953, seven days before, I stopped working on myself. A moment comes when you see the whole futility of effort.

You have done all that is humanly possible. Then what else can you do? In sheer helplessness one drops all search. And the day the search stopped, the day I was not seeking for something, the day I was not expecting something to happen, it started happening. A new energy arose -- out of nowhere.

# This is blessing, this is how God loves everyone whether he is osho or not, As osho was not on the path of bhakti, he didnt understand the experience and started feeling he is enlightened, If this is enlightenement, i got such enlightenments 3 times in my life as of now unlike osho, who got once. In fact, I dont understand the word enlightenement, what it carries, what i understand is, it's a descriminatory word, u descriminate urself from the rest. let's take it easy, I m studying in class 8'th, session is completed, examination is over, if u succeed, u r in 9'th standard, otherwise, u have to study in 8'th standard once more. understanding maya is not the real achievement or enlightenement, it's a supporting tool for you to get ahead. in the shape of blessing it happens, God puls you to next level, always there is a force to pul you, u need to connect to the pulling force.

He writes -

2. "Seven days I lived in a very hopeless and helpless state, but at the same time something was arising. When I say hopeless I don't mean what you mean by the word hopeless. I simply mean there was no hope in me. Hope was absent. I am not saying that I was hopeless and sad. I was happy in fact, I was very tranquil, calm and collected and centered. Hopeless, but in a totally new meaning. There was no hope, so how could there be hopelessness. Both had disappeared,And when I say I was helpless, I don't mean the word in the dictionary-sense. I simply say I was selfless. That's what I mean when I say helpless"

## It's true, in fact, u never know when the God is sending u his love in the manner, u can have a taste of it, it's that simple.but Osho explains it like above.

3. Those seven days were of tremendous transformation, total transformation. And the last day the presence of a totally new energy, a new light and new delight, became so intense that it was almost unbearable -- as if I was exploding, as if I was going mad with blissfulness. The new generation in the West has the right word for it -- I was blissed out, stoned.

### pls. dont get confused here that such enlightenments need external force's activity on you, this is an individual's experience, not every one feels like this, not always a nerveous break down. Try to understand he had a tendency to make anything a bit secrect.

3. By the evening it became so difficult to bear it -- it was hurting, it was painful. It was like when a woman goes into labour when a child is to be born, and the woman suffers tremendous pain -- the birth pangs

#### Pls. enjoy reading the way he is explaining, the experience is not obviously always. this is only what he was feeling.

4. But something was going to happen -- something like death, something very drastic, something which will be either a death or a new birth, a crucifixion or a resurrection, I went to sleep near about eight. It was not like sleep. Now I can understand what Patanjali means when he says that sleep and samadhi are similar. Only with one difference -- that in samadhi you are fully awake and asleep also. Asleep and awake together, the whole body relaxed, every cell of the body totally relaxed I went to sleep. It was a very strange sleep. The body was asleep, I was awake. It was so strange -- as if one was torn apart into two directions, two dimensions; as if the polarity has become completely focused, as if I was both the polarities together... the positive and negative were meeting, sleep and awareness were meeting, death and life were meeting. That is the moment when you can say 'the creator and the creation meet.'

## He had a poetic attitude.

5. Near about twelve my eyes suddenly opened -- I had not opened them. The sleep was broken by something else. I felt a great presence around me in the room. It was a very small room. I felt a throbbing life all around me, a great vibration -- almost like a hurricane, a great storm of light, joy, ecstasy. I was drowning in it.

6. It was so tremendously real that everything became unreal. The walls of the room became unreal, the house became unreal, my own body became unreal. Everything was unreal because now there was for the first time reality.

That night for the first time I understood the meaning of the word maya. Not that I had not known the word before, not that I was not aware of the meaning of the word. As you are aware, I was also aware of the meaning -- but I had never understood it before. How can you understand without experience.

###### He understod the maya, ruling over the world, you can also understand it, not every body needs to undergo such a deep frustration or turmoil within.

Note : understanding Maya is a great achievement , but not the final destination, it's just a milestone, Rajneesh never entered into samadhi, he though was able to imagine how samadhi should look like, I want to emphasize the imagination of the state of samadhi.

Post Enlightenement

1. I rushed out of the room, came out in the street. A great urge was there just to be under the sky with the stars, with the trees, with the earth... to be with nature. And immediately as I came out, the feeling of being suffocated disappeared.

# In fact it's his pleasure only, suppose u want to solve a puzzle, not getting a clue and suddenly u get the clue, u become happy. it has nothing much to do with enlightenment. He is a poetic person, so, he says like this, he tries to enchant the viewers.

2. I walked towards the nearest garden. It was a totally new walk, as if gravitation had disappeared. I was walking, or I was running, or I was simply flying; it was difficult to decide. There was no gravitation,The moment I entered the garden everything became luminous, it was all over the place -- the benediction, the blessedness. I could see the trees for the first time -- their green, their life, their very sap running. The whole garden was asleep, the trees were asleep. But I could see the whole garden alive, even the small grass leaves were so beautiful.

## He says his perception was changed, that's it, no miracle pls.3. I looked around. One tree was tremendously luminous -- the maulshree tree. It attracted me, it pulled me towards itself. I had not chosen it, god himself has chosen it. I went to the tree, I sat under the tree. As I sat there things started settling. The whole universe became a benediction

### It's a thought settling process.

4. Those three hours became the whole eternity, endless eternity. There was no time, there was no passage of time; it was the virgin reality -- uncorrupted, untouchable, unmeasurable. And that day something happened that has continued -- not as a continuity -- but it has still continued as an undercurrent. Not as a permanency each moment it has been happening again and again. It has been a miracle each moment.

#### I will still say, it's no way a miracle at all, an obvious , normal happening, will happen to every one, why he makes it unusually secretive, It's his nature only, I connect it with his childhood, his masters were touching his feet , forcing him to feel he is so special, this fine ego within makes him feel such a normal phinomina as a big turning point, a big miracle, that's why he deviates in his later life.

5. That night... and since that night I have never been in the body. I am hovering around it. I became tremendously powerful and at the same time very fragile. I became very strong, but that strength is not the strength of a Mohammed Ali. That strength is not the strength of a rock, that strength is the strength of a rose flower. Buddhas have a strength which is not of this world. Their strength is totally of love... Like a rose flower or a dewdrop. Their strength is very fragile, vulnerable. Their strength is the strength of life not of death. Their power is not of that which kills; their power is of that which creates. Their power is not of violence, aggression; their power is that of compassion.

##### The true enlightenement goes beyond death and birth, u dont find anything to compare with any thing else. this was left for him to understand.

Next, I will write those points, where Osho is right.

regards,Lalit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote:>> Namaskar Lalitji,> > Firstly,accept my kudos for ur dedication to learning Jyotish.> > This is indeed heartwarming.Wish there more such youngsters like you > > My comments on your analysis :> > > Namskaar, have finished bio graphy of Osho, his several experiences > in his childhood are quite interesting, his 3 masters were touching > his feet that he tells to his desciples in his biography.> > After reading and contemplating his life, I m becoming more and more > confirmed he lacked mother's love in his childhood, this deprivation > of a kiss of love, pushed him to explore the love in the world.> > his moon is in 8'th house.> > You are right.> > Moon in the 8th is a bad position for longevity and leads to 'Balarishta' unless there are other alleviating factors in the horoscope> > A very sensitive heart and self centered mind always seeing some > secrets in even most normal happenings, most normal things and a > glamorous personality to present most normal things as peculiar ones, > he was in this trait.> > his lagna is taurus and it's lord venus is placed in 8'th house. he > is a born occultist.> > Very true.Lagnesh in 8th gives a talent for the occult > sciences.> > Significantly it is placed in Dhanur Rasi which gives a great interest in religious matters> > lord of 9'th and 10'th house saturn is in 8'th house as well as 5'th > house mercury, so, we can understand the kind of drive he had in his > mind, as well as ketu is placed in 5'th. Ketu gives him capacity to > within him, a sharp intellect. > > You have to note the Pravrajya yoga in the 8th house.> > This makes the 8th house the focus of his particular incarnation.One of the themes of the 8th house is unconventionality and Osho was certainly not conventional> in his thoughts !!> > > who will advance him towards knowing what he was missing whole life ?> Jupitor is exalted in 3rd house. so he had to try hard to know more, > it aspect 9'th house owned by saturn.> > Guru is very important in his chart.It is the ultimate dispositor of the chart and significantly it is placed in the 3rd house (ruling Maithuna-hence the focal point of his philosophy was sex leading to spirituality)> > No, he is not right. this experience only may tell there is more to > understand the life, well, what he writes in the same paragraph is > correct, astral body remains conected to physical body through a cord > to naval point to physical body. I have seen this cord. this is a not > a so great revealation. but he seems to be fascinated with this.> > Could you recount your experiences in meditation.> > I would be really intersted to know these details (you > can write to me privately if you wish)> > > he has always been fascinated with death, what gives him this > fascination ? enemic saturn conjucnct with mercurry in 8'th house.> > It is not so simple.His philosophy was that only when one has experienced fear of death and has then transcended it can one claim to be on the path of spirituality> > > he was never initiated by any one, just pushed and thrown alone. this > is not the duty of guru.> > You have to understand that Rajneesh d to the > Ajvikas school.They believe that the body is here on the > earth to enjoy all the Bhogas and only when one has enough of this can true spirituality begin> > It is very easy to dismiss Osho as a materialist but one> should never take things at face value in Jyotish> > Go deep into the chart and understand it's nuances.You > will see that it opens up so many interesting vistas.> > Keep up your study,you will do very well in Jyotish with> your passion and spiritual nature> > > Regards,> > aavesh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol" > wrote:> >> > Dear Aavesh Ji,> > > > Namaskaar, I started reading Osho's chart, on the spur of the > moment, > > i m reading, madoana's comments on osho.> > > > she is referring to Deepak Chopra, I always wanted to teach this > man > > the real spirituality, can u manage his chart also, once i saw his > > chart in some web site, but i forgot the url.> > > > regards,> > Lalit.> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > > wrote:> > >> > > Namaskar Lalitji,> > > > > > The birth details for Osho are:> > > > > > d.o.b:11th Dec 1931> > > > > > t.o.b:17:13> > > > > > Latitude:22 N 15 Longitude:78 E 47> > > > > > I am also enclosing the birth details of one of the greatest > > saints who have graced the Indian soil (Anandmayi Ma)> > > > > > d.o.b:30th Apr 1896> > > > > > t.o.b:03:42> > > > > > Latitude:23 N 45 Longitude:91 E 13> > > > > > These two charts are total contrasts in regards to the path > taken > > by both these souls> > > > > > Looking forward to your observations> > > > > > With Warm Regards,> > > > > > Aavesh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. 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