Guest guest Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Dear Lalit, An interesting post from you. Do you find any reference to Mars being bachelor in the classics? The remedies appear to be more empirical than chart specific and though there are 12 bhavas and one can associate 12 adityas with them, why should suddenly Rama and Guru appear in their midst? Any particular reason? The bhavas also do not seem to have the 12 adityas associated with them, so the logic behind the remedies appears to defy logic. I am sure the source from where you have culled the information must have given the reasoning for the allotment of only certain adityas, so it might be better for that reasoning to be revealed so that astrologers can learn from it and form their own opinion about use of the information. Chandrashekhar. litsol wrote: Maraka concept must be understood before attempting any remedy. In Maraka position, a planet ' feels like dying'; so one must understand what that planet is doing in the chart. Its ' karaktava ' and the houses it owns suffer. For example :Ma in 7H, is the ' bachelor ' in the ' kalatra bhava ' or the ' house of love/relationship/spouse' and thus it ' feels uncomfortable ' here. The basis of the ' remedy' is to strengthen the ' overall karaka' of the house, like for 7H its Venus, for 6H is Saturn, 9H is Jupiter, Lagna is Sun. Ths can be done whereever its best depending upon the chart by gem, worship of Deity of the relevant graha or by the Aditya of that house; as the 12 Adityas of the rasis hold the ' resources ' of the bhavas. One must be careful with gems and consder if they could effect other aspects in a chart. I am briefly giving a scheme here but each chart must be looked at before doing any remedies. It is best to request for specific mantras from a Guru as they are sacred or read relevant classics of Jyotish literature. I will thus not list out any specific mantras. Here is the scheme, with relevant gem and Aditya/deity Sun (12H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna Moon(8H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna Mars(7H) - Diamond ; Ravi Mercury (4H and 7H) - 4H - Pearl ; Mitra, 7H - Diamond ;Ravi Jupiter(3H) - Coral , Vivasvan Venus(6H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna Satrun(1H) - Ruby ; Surya/Sri Ram Rahu (9H) - Yellow Saphire ; Vishnu/Guru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Dear Aavesh, A very happy Deepavali to you too. I understand what is happening now. So it is marana karana sthana (I am sure Maraka sthana is a misnomer) of grahas that is being related to 12 Adityas. This is interesting as there are only 9 grahas but 12 Adityas. I agree that the physical bodies related to the grahas may suffer when in Marana karana sthanas, no the other matters related to them. The classics have reference to marana karana sthana, sometimes in the Kalachakra dasha chapter indicating the possibility of their use more in dashas than in interpretation of natal chart. But then every astrologer is free to his own opinion. As to remedies, I prefer gems and only in rare cases mantra, again an orthodox approach. But there are many ways in which remedies can be suggested by an astrologer. Take care, Chandrashekhar aavesh t wrote: Namaskar Chandrashekarji & Lalitji, Firstly : WISHING YOU A VERY HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS DIWALI. MAY THE FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS BRING UNBOUNDED PROSPERITY AND ABUNDANCE IN THE COMING YEAR TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY Chandrashekarji:The scheme that Lalitji has suggested is derieved from an ongoing discussion on Maraksthana in one of the SJC groups (Zoran Radosavljevic has given this scheme in the course of discussions) In my personal experience,I have seen that planets in Maraksthanas are very difficult to predict.It is as if some significations of these planets are 'dead'. However,all the significations do not suffer.I have seen that the 'live significations' of the planets suffer most in these cases (Sun in 12th :Father does not keep good health/lacks confidence etc) Regarding the remedies,I stick to the conventional remedies viz:Mantra Jaap and Fasting for the Grahas concerned Regards, aavesh Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Lalit, An interesting post from you. Do you find any reference to Mars being bachelor in the classics? The remedies appear to be more empirical than chart specific and though there are 12 bhavas and one can associate 12 adityas with them, why should suddenly Rama and Guru appear in their midst? Any particular reason? The bhavas also do not seem to have the 12 adityas associated with them, so the logic behind the remedies appears to defy logic. I am sure the source from where you have culled the information must have given the reasoning for the allotment of only certain adityas, so it might be better for that reasoning to be revealed so that astrologers can learn from it and form their own opinion about use of the information. Chandrashekhar. litsol wrote: Maraka concept must be understood before attempting any remedy. In Maraka position, a planet ' feels like dying'; so one must understand what that planet is doing in the chart. Its ' karaktava ' and the houses it owns suffer. For example :Ma in 7H, is the ' bachelor ' in the ' kalatra bhava ' or the ' house of love/relationship/spouse' and thus it ' feels uncomfortable ' here. The basis of the ' remedy' is to strengthen the ' overall karaka' of the house, like for 7H its Venus, for 6H is Saturn, 9H is Jupiter, Lagna is Sun. Ths can be done whereever its best depending upon the chart by gem, worship of Deity of the relevant graha or by the Aditya of that house; as the 12 Adityas of the rasis hold the ' resources ' of the bhavas. One must be careful with gems and consder if they could effect other aspects in a chart. I am briefly giving a scheme here but each chart must be looked at before doing any remedies. It is best to request for specific mantras from a Guru as they are sacred or read relevant classics of Jyotish literature. I will thus not list out any specific mantras. Here is the scheme, with relevant gem and Aditya/deity Sun (12H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna Moon(8H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna Mars(7H) - Diamond ; Ravi Mercury (4H and 7H) - 4H - Pearl ; Mitra, 7H - Diamond ;Ravi Jupiter(3H) - Coral , Vivasvan Venus(6H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna Satrun(1H) - Ruby ; Surya/Sri Ram Rahu (9H) - Yellow Saphire ; Vishnu/Guru Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. Click here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Sir, It's not written by me, i dont remember where i saw this write up. Right now i m at Rewa to celebrate Diwali. I mean to say, I have no books with me but in one of the bopoks written by CS Patel expressed some views like this, i have posted it without crosschecking. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > > An interesting post from you. Do you find any reference to Mars being > bachelor in the classics? The remedies appear to be more empirical than > chart specific and though there are 12 bhavas and one can associate 12 > adityas with them, why should suddenly Rama and Guru appear in their > midst? Any particular reason? The bhavas also do not seem to have the 12 > adityas associated with them, so the logic behind the remedies appears > to defy logic. I am sure the source from where you have culled the > information must have given the reasoning for the allotment of only > certain adityas, so it might be better for that reasoning to be revealed > so that astrologers can learn from it and form their own opinion about > use of the information. > > Chandrashekhar. > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > Maraka concept must be understood before attempting any remedy. In > > Maraka position, a planet ' feels like dying'; so one must understand > > what that planet is doing in the chart. Its ' karaktava ' and the houses > > it owns suffer. > > > > For example :Ma in 7H, is the ' bachelor ' in the ' kalatra bhava ' or > > the ' house of love/relationship/spouse' and thus it ' feels > > uncomfortable ' here. > > The basis of the ' remedy' is to strengthen the ' overall karaka' of the > > house, like for 7H its Venus, for 6H is Saturn, 9H is Jupiter, Lagna is > > Sun. > > > > Ths can be done whereever its best depending upon the chart by gem, > > worship of Deity of the relevant graha or by the Aditya of that house; > > as the 12 Adityas of the rasis hold the ' resources ' of the bhavas. > > > > One must be careful with gems and consder if they could effect other > > aspects in a chart. > > I am briefly giving a scheme here but each chart must be looked at > > before doing any remedies. It is best to request for specific mantras > > from a Guru as they are sacred or read relevant classics of Jyotish > > literature. I will thus not list out any specific mantras. > > > > Here is the scheme, with relevant gem and Aditya/deity > > Sun (12H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > > Moon(8H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > > Mars(7H) - Diamond ; Ravi > > Mercury (4H and 7H) - 4H - Pearl ; Mitra, 7H - Diamond ;Ravi > > Jupiter(3H) - Coral , Vivasvan > > Venus(6H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > > Satrun(1H) - Ruby ; Surya/Sri Ram > > Rahu (9H) - Yellow Saphire ; Vishnu/Guru > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Dear Aavesh, You are right. However, I think, if a planet is in marana karana Sthana and simultaneously the yogakaraka its dasha may not necessarily bring harm to the relative connected to that planet, unless transit also indicates harm to the bhava representing that relative. Shani is the greatest teacher, amongst the grahas, and teaches one humility that is so essential to acquire true knowledge. It is only to those with a high does of ego that Shani wants to teach a lesson n humility. Ling Purana refers to it as the great planet. You could recommend an iron ring in place of Neelam if you think Shani is helpful to the person but weak in the chart. You could also recommend Neelam if it is not 6th or 8th lord simultaneously to its trine ownership. Surrendering before knowledge and the lord are essential to gain knowledge, and I agree with what you have said about surrender being necessary to be able to predict with any degree of accuracy. Take care, Chandrashekhar. aavesh t wrote: Dear Chandrashekarji, Thanks for your response on my mail. Some observations: (i)Maranakarakasthana placement does not figure in delienating results of the planets 'per se' as you pointed out. The Dashas of planets in Maranakarakasthanas bring problems (from/to) the 'relatives' represented by these planets in the chart (2)Regarding the remedies,I also favour gems. However,in case of Shani Maharaj I very rarely recommend Neelam and advice fasting and visiting Shani Mandir on Saturday (Interestingly,in almost 75 % of the charts that I have read todate, the problems arise when Saade Saati,Ashtama Shani are going on. Shani Maharaj certainly is a great teacher.The only problem is that we refuse to bow down before him and wage a vain battle with our limited resources against the might of Shani Maharaj !! If only we could surrender before the divine will then the work of Jyotishis like us would be far simpler Regards, aavesh Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Aavesh, A very happy Deepavali to you too. I understand what is happening now. So it is marana karana sthana (I am sure Maraka sthana is a misnomer) of grahas that is being related to 12 Adityas. This is interesting as there are only 9 grahas but 12 Adityas. I agree that the physical bodies related to the grahas may suffer when in Marana karana sthanas, no the other matters related to them. The classics have reference to marana karana sthana, sometimes in the Kalachakra dasha chapter indicating the possibility of their use more in dashas than in interpretation of natal chart. But then every astrologer is free to his own opinion. As to remedies, I prefer gems and only in rare cases mantra, again an orthodox approach. But there are many ways in which remedies can be suggested by an astrologer. Take care, Chandrashekhar aavesh t wrote: Namaskar Chandrashekarji & Lalitji, Firstly : WISHING YOU A VERY HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS DIWALI. MAY THE FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS BRING UNBOUNDED PROSPERITY AND ABUNDANCE IN THE COMING YEAR TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY Chandrashekarji:The scheme that Lalitji has suggested is derieved from an ongoing discussion on Maraksthana in one of the SJC groups (Zoran Radosavljevic has given this scheme in the course of discussions) In my personal experience,I have seen that planets in Maraksthanas are very difficult to predict.It is as if some significations of these planets are 'dead'. However,all the significations do not suffer.I have seen that the 'live significations' of the planets suffer most in these cases (Sun in 12th :Father does not keep good health/lacks confidence etc) Regarding the remedies,I stick to the conventional remedies viz:Mantra Jaap and Fasting for the Grahas concerned Regards, aavesh Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Lalit, An interesting post from you. Do you find any reference to Mars being bachelor in the classics? The remedies appear to be more empirical than chart specific and though there are 12 bhavas and one can associate 12 adityas with them, why should suddenly Rama and Guru appear in their midst? Any particular reason? The bhavas also do not seem to have the 12 adityas associated with them, so the logic behind the remedies appears to defy logic. I am sure the source from where you have culled the information must have given the reasoning for the allotment of only certain adityas, so it might be better for that reasoning to be revealed so that astrologers can learn from it and form their own opinion about use of the information. Chandrashekhar. litsol wrote: Maraka concept must be understood before attempting any remedy. In Maraka position, a planet ' feels like dying'; so one must understand what that planet is doing in the chart. Its ' karaktava ' and the houses it owns suffer. For example :Ma in 7H, is the ' bachelor ' in the ' kalatra bhava ' or the ' house of love/relationship/spouse' and thus it ' feels uncomfortable ' here. The basis of the ' remedy' is to strengthen the ' overall karaka' of the house, like for 7H its Venus, for 6H is Saturn, 9H is Jupiter, Lagna is Sun. Ths can be done whereever its best depending upon the chart by gem, worship of Deity of the relevant graha or by the Aditya of that house; as the 12 Adityas of the rasis hold the ' resources ' of the bhavas. One must be careful with gems and consder if they could effect other aspects in a chart. I am briefly giving a scheme here but each chart must be looked at before doing any remedies. It is best to request for specific mantras from a Guru as they are sacred or read relevant classics of Jyotish literature. I will thus not list out any specific mantras. Here is the scheme, with relevant gem and Aditya/deity Sun (12H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna Moon(8H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna Mars(7H) - Diamond ; Ravi Mercury (4H and 7H) - 4H - Pearl ; Mitra, 7H - Diamond ;Ravi Jupiter(3H) - Coral , Vivasvan Venus(6H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna Satrun(1H) - Ruby ; Surya/Sri Ram Rahu (9H) - Yellow Saphire ; Vishnu/Guru Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. Chat on a cool, new interface. 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Guest guest Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 Dear Chandrashekarji, Thanks for your valuable tips.I will keep them in mind Some observations: (i) If the planet placed in Maranakaraksthan is also the Yogakaraka,the relative will not suffer as you rightly pointed out.It is also better if one looks into the Chara karaka signifying that relative and it's strength in the chart which will give a more complete picture (ii)Shani Maharaj is a great leveller (to put it mildly) During the periods of Shani Maharaj, when it is a Markesh and placed in Dusthanas (without the benificial aspect of Guru) it can bring great suffering on the native. In my personal experience,I have seen that the only way to go through a Shani period, particularly when Shani Maharaj is not a Yogakaraka for the chart is to develop a sense of humility and detachment (easier said than done) Interstingly,Shani Maharaj is kind to people who meditate regularly,respect their elders and do charity with unselfish motives Regards, aavesh Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: Dear Aavesh,You are right. However, I think, if a planet is in marana karana Sthana and simultaneously the yogakaraka its dasha may not necessarily bring harm to the relative connected to that planet, unless transit also indicates harm to the bhava representing that relative.Shani is the greatest teacher, amongst the grahas, and teaches one humility that is so essential to acquire true knowledge. It is only to those with a high does of ego that Shani wants to teach a lesson n humility. Ling Purana refers to it as the great planet. You could recommend an iron ring in place of Neelam if you think Shani is helpful to the person but weak in the chart. You could also recommend Neelam if it is not 6th or 8th lord simultaneously to its trine ownership.Surrendering before knowledge and the lord are essential to gain knowledge, and I agree with what you have said about surrender being necessary to be able to predict with any degree of accuracy.Take care,Chandrashekhar.aavesh t wrote: Dear Chandrashekarji, Thanks for your response on my mail. Some observations: (i)Maranakarakasthana placement does not figure in delienating results of the planets 'per se' as you pointed out. The Dashas of planets in Maranakarakasthanas bring problems (from/to) the 'relatives' represented by these planets in the chart (2)Regarding the remedies,I also favour gems. However,in case of Shani Maharaj I very rarely recommend Neelam and advice fasting and visiting Shani Mandir on Saturday (Interestingly,in almost 75 % of the charts that I have read todate, the problems arise when Saade Saati,Ashtama Shani are going on. Shani Maharaj certainly is a great teacher.The only problem is that we refuse to bow down before him and wage a vain battle with our limited resources against the might of Shani Maharaj !! If only we could surrender before the divine will then the work of Jyotishis like us would be far simpler Regards, aavesh Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Aavesh,A very happy Deepavali to you too.I understand what is happening now. So it is marana karana sthana (I am sure Maraka sthana is a misnomer) of grahas that is being related to 12 Adityas. This is interesting as there are only 9 grahas but 12 Adityas.I agree that the physical bodies related to the grahas may suffer when in Marana karana sthanas, no the other matters related to them.The classics have reference to marana karana sthana, sometimes in the Kalachakra dasha chapter indicating the possibility of their use more in dashas than in interpretation of natal chart. But then every astrologer is free to his own opinion.As to remedies, I prefer gems and only in rare cases mantra, again an orthodox approach. But there are many ways in which remedies can be suggested by an astrologer.Take care,Chandrashekharaavesh t wrote: Namaskar Chandrashekarji & Lalitji, Firstly : WISHING YOU A VERY HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS DIWALI. MAY THE FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS BRING UNBOUNDED PROSPERITY AND ABUNDANCE IN THE COMING YEAR TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY Chandrashekarji:The scheme that Lalitji has suggested is derieved from an ongoing discussion on Maraksthana in one of the SJC groups (Zoran Radosavljevic has given this scheme in the course of discussions) In my personal experience,I have seen that planets in Maraksthanas are very difficult to predict.It is as if some significations of these planets are 'dead'. However,all the significations do not suffer.I have seen that the 'live significations' of the planets suffer most in these cases (Sun in 12th :Father does not keep good health/lacks confidence etc) Regarding the remedies,I stick to the conventional remedies viz:Mantra Jaap and Fasting for the Grahas concerned Regards, aavesh Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Lalit,An interesting post from you. Do you find any reference to Mars being bachelor in the classics? The remedies appear to be more empirical than chart specific and though there are 12 bhavas and one can associate 12 adityas with them, why should suddenly Rama and Guru appear in their midst? Any particular reason? The bhavas also do not seem to have the 12 adityas associated with them, so the logic behind the remedies appears to defy logic. I am sure the source from where you have culled the information must have given the reasoning for the allotment of only certain adityas, so it might be better for that reasoning to be revealed so that astrologers can learn from it and form their own opinion about use of the information.Chandrashekhar.litsol wrote: Maraka concept must be understood before attempting any remedy. InMaraka position, a planet ' feels like dying'; so one must understandwhat that planet is doing in the chart. Its ' karaktava ' and the housesit owns suffer.For example :Ma in 7H, is the ' bachelor ' in the ' kalatra bhava ' orthe ' house of love/relationship/spouse' and thus it ' feelsuncomfortable ' here.The basis of the ' remedy' is to strengthen the ' overall karaka' of thehouse, like for 7H its Venus, for 6H is Saturn, 9H is Jupiter, Lagna isSun.Ths can be done whereever its best depending upon the chart by gem,worship of Deity of the relevant graha or by the Aditya of that house;as the 12 Adityas of the rasis hold the ' resources ' of the bhavas.One must be careful with gems and consder if they could effect otheraspects in a chart.I am briefly giving a scheme here but each chart must be looked atbefore doing any remedies. It is best to request for specific mantrasfrom a Guru as they are sacred or read relevant classics of Jyotishliterature. I will thus not list out any specific mantras.Here is the scheme, with relevant gem and Aditya/deitySun (12H) - Blue sapphire ; VarunaMoon(8H) - Blue sapphire ; VarunaMars(7H) - Diamond ; RaviMercury (4H and 7H) - 4H - Pearl ; Mitra, 7H - Diamond ;RaviJupiter(3H) - Coral , VivasvanVenus(6H) - Blue sapphire ; VarunaSatrun(1H) - Ruby ; Surya/Sri RamRahu (9H) - Yellow Saphire ; Vishnu/Guru Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 What you say up to karakatwa etc is clear. But then onward it is unclear what you are driving at. All one makes out is there are house-wise Adityas, and gem-remediation should follow that scheme. In the absence of the rationale and of mention of intermediate steps of the rules, this post doesn't make sense. Agreed, Maraka determination is not a simple process, what with Saptachhidra etc. RK On 08/11/2007, litsol <litsol wrote: Maraka concept must be understood before attempting any remedy. InMaraka position, a planet ' feels like dying'; so one must understandwhat that planet is doing in the chart. Its ' karaktava ' and the houses it owns suffer.For example :Ma in 7H, is the ' bachelor ' in the ' kalatra bhava ' orthe ' house of love/relationship/spouse' and thus it ' feelsuncomfortable ' here. The basis of the ' remedy' is to strengthen the ' overall karaka' of thehouse, like for 7H its Venus, for 6H is Saturn, 9H is Jupiter, Lagna isSun.Ths can be done whereever its best depending upon the chart by gem, worship of Deity of the relevant graha or by the Aditya of that house;as the 12 Adityas of the rasis hold the ' resources ' of the bhavas.One must be careful with gems and consder if they could effect other aspects in a chart.I am briefly giving a scheme here but each chart must be looked atbefore doing any remedies. It is best to request for specific mantrasfrom a Guru as they are sacred or read relevant classics of Jyotish literature. I will thus not list out any specific mantras.Here is the scheme, with relevant gem and Aditya/deitySun (12H) - Blue sapphire ; VarunaMoon(8H) - Blue sapphire ; VarunaMars(7H) - Diamond ; Ravi Mercury (4H and 7H) - 4H - Pearl ; Mitra, 7H - Diamond ;RaviJupiter(3H) - Coral , VivasvanVenus(6H) - Blue sapphire ; VarunaSatrun(1H) - Ruby ; Surya/Sri RamRahu (9H) - Yellow Saphire ; Vishnu/Guru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 Dear Aavesh, You are right. But too much is made out of sadesati of Shani as it is not harmful to all lagnas, a fact missed by many. Chandrashekhar. aavesh t wrote: Dear Chandrashekarji, Thanks for your valuable tips.I will keep them in mind Some observations: (i) If the planet placed in Maranakaraksthan is also the Yogakaraka,the relative will not suffer as you rightly pointed out.It is also better if one looks into the Chara karaka signifying that relative and it's strength in the chart which will give a more complete picture (ii)Shani Maharaj is a great leveller (to put it mildly) During the periods of Shani Maharaj, when it is a Markesh and placed in Dusthanas (without the benificial aspect of Guru) it can bring great suffering on the native. In my personal experience,I have seen that the only way to go through a Shani period, particularly when Shani Maharaj is not a Yogakaraka for the chart is to develop a sense of humility and detachment (easier said than done) Interstingly,Shani Maharaj is kind to people who meditate regularly,respect their elders and do charity with unselfish motives Regards, aavesh Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Aavesh, You are right. However, I think, if a planet is in marana karana Sthana and simultaneously the yogakaraka its dasha may not necessarily bring harm to the relative connected to that planet, unless transit also indicates harm to the bhava representing that relative. Shani is the greatest teacher, amongst the grahas, and teaches one humility that is so essential to acquire true knowledge. It is only to those with a high does of ego that Shani wants to teach a lesson n humility. Ling Purana refers to it as the great planet. You could recommend an iron ring in place of Neelam if you think Shani is helpful to the person but weak in the chart. You could also recommend Neelam if it is not 6th or 8th lord simultaneously to its trine ownership. Surrendering before knowledge and the lord are essential to gain knowledge, and I agree with what you have said about surrender being necessary to be able to predict with any degree of accuracy. Take care, Chandrashekhar. aavesh t wrote: Dear Chandrashekarji, Thanks for your response on my mail. Some observations: (i)Maranakarakasthana placement does not figure in delienating results of the planets 'per se' as you pointed out. The Dashas of planets in Maranakarakasthanas bring problems (from/to) the 'relatives' represented by these planets in the chart (2)Regarding the remedies,I also favour gems. However,in case of Shani Maharaj I very rarely recommend Neelam and advice fasting and visiting Shani Mandir on Saturday (Interestingly,in almost 75 % of the charts that I have read todate, the problems arise when Saade Saati,Ashtama Shani are going on. Shani Maharaj certainly is a great teacher.The only problem is that we refuse to bow down before him and wage a vain battle with our limited resources against the might of Shani Maharaj !! If only we could surrender before the divine will then the work of Jyotishis like us would be far simpler Regards, aavesh Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Aavesh, A very happy Deepavali to you too. I understand what is happening now. So it is marana karana sthana (I am sure Maraka sthana is a misnomer) of grahas that is being related to 12 Adityas. This is interesting as there are only 9 grahas but 12 Adityas. I agree that the physical bodies related to the grahas may suffer when in Marana karana sthanas, no the other matters related to them. The classics have reference to marana karana sthana, sometimes in the Kalachakra dasha chapter indicating the possibility of their use more in dashas than in interpretation of natal chart. But then every astrologer is free to his own opinion. As to remedies, I prefer gems and only in rare cases mantra, again an orthodox approach. But there are many ways in which remedies can be suggested by an astrologer. Take care, Chandrashekhar aavesh t wrote: Namaskar Chandrashekarji & Lalitji, Firstly : WISHING YOU A VERY HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS DIWALI. MAY THE FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS BRING UNBOUNDED PROSPERITY AND ABUNDANCE IN THE COMING YEAR TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY Chandrashekarji:The scheme that Lalitji has suggested is derieved from an ongoing discussion on Maraksthana in one of the SJC groups (Zoran Radosavljevic has given this scheme in the course of discussions) In my personal experience,I have seen that planets in Maraksthanas are very difficult to predict.It is as if some significations of these planets are 'dead'. However,all the significations do not suffer.I have seen that the 'live significations' of the planets suffer most in these cases (Sun in 12th :Father does not keep good health/lacks confidence etc) Regarding the remedies,I stick to the conventional remedies viz:Mantra Jaap and Fasting for the Grahas concerned Regards, aavesh Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Lalit, An interesting post from you. Do you find any reference to Mars being bachelor in the classics? The remedies appear to be more empirical than chart specific and though there are 12 bhavas and one can associate 12 adityas with them, why should suddenly Rama and Guru appear in their midst? Any particular reason? The bhavas also do not seem to have the 12 adityas associated with them, so the logic behind the remedies appears to defy logic. I am sure the source from where you have culled the information must have given the reasoning for the allotment of only certain adityas, so it might be better for that reasoning to be revealed so that astrologers can learn from it and form their own opinion about use of the information. Chandrashekhar. litsol wrote: Maraka concept must be understood before attempting any remedy. In Maraka position, a planet ' feels like dying'; so one must understand what that planet is doing in the chart. Its ' karaktava ' and the houses it owns suffer. For example :Ma in 7H, is the ' bachelor ' in the ' kalatra bhava ' or the ' house of love/relationship/spouse' and thus it ' feels uncomfortable ' here. The basis of the ' remedy' is to strengthen the ' overall karaka' of the house, like for 7H its Venus, for 6H is Saturn, 9H is Jupiter, Lagna is Sun. Ths can be done whereever its best depending upon the chart by gem, worship of Deity of the relevant graha or by the Aditya of that house; as the 12 Adityas of the rasis hold the ' resources ' of the bhavas. One must be careful with gems and consder if they could effect other aspects in a chart. I am briefly giving a scheme here but each chart must be looked at before doing any remedies. It is best to request for specific mantras from a Guru as they are sacred or read relevant classics of Jyotish literature. I will thus not list out any specific mantras. Here is the scheme, with relevant gem and Aditya/deity Sun (12H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna Moon(8H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna Mars(7H) - Diamond ; Ravi Mercury (4H and 7H) - 4H - Pearl ; Mitra, 7H - Diamond ;Ravi Jupiter(3H) - Coral , Vivasvan Venus(6H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna Satrun(1H) - Ruby ; Surya/Sri Ram Rahu (9H) - Yellow Saphire ; Vishnu/Guru Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Dear Chandrashekarji Could you tell us for which lagnas Shani is not harmful? [My own lagna is Aq. Sadesati was one one of the most brilliant times of my life tho I was plagued by continous ill health. Nothing major, just little things designed more to distress than to kill. And some prbs such as food allergies which began then Im still suffering today.] thank you Rdgs Su Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Aavesh, > > You are right. But too much is made out of sadesati of Shani as it is > not harmful to all lagnas, a fact missed by many. > > Chandrashekhar. > > aavesh t wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekarji, > > > > Thanks for your valuable tips.I will keep them in mind > > > > > > Some observations: > > > > (i) If the planet placed in Maranakaraksthan is also the > > Yogakaraka,the relative will not suffer as you rightly pointed out.It > > is also better if one looks into the Chara > > karaka signifying that relative and it's strength in the chart which > > will give a more complete picture > > > > (ii)Shani Maharaj is a great leveller (to put it mildly) > > During the periods of Shani Maharaj, when it is a Markesh > > and placed in Dusthanas (without the benificial aspect of Guru) it can > > bring great suffering on the native. > > > > In my personal experience,I have seen that the only way to go through > > a Shani period, particularly when Shani > > Maharaj is not a Yogakaraka for the chart is to develop > > a sense of humility and detachment (easier said than done) > > > > *Interstingly,Shani Maharaj is kind to people who meditate > > regularly,respect their elders and do charity **with unselfish motives* > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar/* wrote: > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > You are right. However, I think, if a planet is in marana karana > > Sthana and simultaneously the yogakaraka its dasha may not > > necessarily bring harm to the relative connected to that planet, > > unless transit also indicates harm to the bhava representing that > > relative. > > > > Shani is the greatest teacher, amongst the grahas, and teaches one > > humility that is so essential to acquire true knowledge. It is > > only to those with a high does of ego that Shani wants to teach a > > lesson n humility. Ling Purana refers to it as the great planet. > > You could recommend an iron ring in place of Neelam if you think > > Shani is helpful to the person but weak in the chart. You could > > also recommend Neelam if it is not 6th or 8th lord simultaneously > > to its trine ownership. > > > > Surrendering before knowledge and the lord are essential to gain > > knowledge, and I agree with what you have said about surrender > > being necessary to be able to predict with any degree of accuracy. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > aavesh t wrote: > >> Dear Chandrashekarji, > >> > >> Thanks for your response on my mail. > >> > >> Some observations: > >> > >> (i)Maranakarakasthana placement does not figure in delienating > >> results of the planets 'per se' as you pointed out. > >> > >> *The Dashas of planets in Maranakarakasthanas bring > >> problems (from/to) the 'relatives' represented by these planets > >> in the chart* > >> ** > >> *(2)*Regarding the remedies,I also favour gems. > >> > >> However,in case of Shani Maharaj I very rarely recommend Neelam > >> and advice fasting and visiting Shani Mandir on Saturday > >> (Interestingly,in almost 75 % of the charts that I have read > >> todate, the problems arise when Saade Saati,Ashtama Shani are > >> going on. > >> > >> Shani Maharaj certainly is a great teacher.The only problem is > >> that we refuse to bow down before him and wage a vain battle with > >> our limited resources against the might of Shani Maharaj !! > >> > >> If only we could surrender before the divine will then the work > >> of Jyotishis like us would be far simpler > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> aavesh > >> > >> > >> > >> */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar/* wrote: > >> > >> Dear Aavesh, > >> > >> A very happy Deepavali to you too. > >> > >> I understand what is happening now. So it is marana karana > >> sthana (I am sure Maraka sthana is a misnomer) of grahas that > >> is being related to 12 Adityas. This is interesting as there > >> are only 9 grahas but 12 Adityas. > >> > >> I agree that the physical bodies related to the grahas may > >> suffer when in Marana karana sthanas, no the other matters > >> related to them. > >> The classics have reference to marana karana sthana, > >> sometimes in the Kalachakra dasha chapter indicating the > >> possibility of their use more in dashas than in > >> interpretation of natal chart. But then every astrologer is > >> free to his own opinion. > >> > >> As to remedies, I prefer gems and only in rare cases mantra, > >> again an orthodox approach. But there are many ways in which > >> remedies can be suggested by an astrologer. > >> > >> Take care, > >> Chandrashekhar > >> > >> > >> aavesh t wrote: > >>> Namaskar Chandrashekarji & Lalitji, > >>> > >>> Firstly : > >>> > >>> *WISHING YOU A VERY HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS DIWALI.** * > >>> *MAY THE FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS BRING UNBOUNDED PROSPERITY AND > >>> ABUNDANCE IN THE COMING YEAR TO YOU* > >>> *AND YOUR FAMILY* > >>> ** > >>> _Chandrashekarji_:The scheme that Lalitji has suggested is > >>> derieved from an ongoing discussion on Maraksthana in > >>> one of the SJC groups (Zoran Radosavljevic has given this > >>> scheme in the course of discussions) > >>> > >>> In my personal experience,I have seen that planets in > >>> Maraksthanas are very difficult to predict.It is as if > >>> some significations of these planets are 'dead'. > >>> > >>> However,all the significations do not suffer.I have seen > >>> that the 'live significations' of the planets suffer most in > >>> these cases (Sun in 12th :Father does not keep good > >>> health/lacks confidence etc) > >>> > >>> Regarding the remedies,I stick to the conventional remedies > >>> viz:Mantra Jaap and Fasting for the Grahas concerned > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> aavesh > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar/* wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Lalit, > >>> > >>> An interesting post from you. Do you find any reference > >>> to Mars being bachelor in the classics? The remedies > >>> appear to be more empirical than chart specific and > >>> though there are 12 bhavas and one can associate 12 > >>> adityas with them, why should suddenly Rama and Guru > >>> appear in their midst? Any particular reason? The bhavas > >>> also do not seem to have the 12 adityas associated with > >>> them, so the logic behind the remedies appears to defy > >>> logic. I am sure the source from where you have culled > >>> the information must have given the reasoning for the > >>> allotment of only certain adityas, so it might be better > >>> for that reasoning to be revealed so that astrologers > >>> can learn from it and form their own opinion about use > >>> of the information. > >>> > >>> Chandrashekhar. > >>> > >>> litsol wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Maraka concept must be understood before attempting any > >>>> remedy. In > >>>> Maraka position, a planet ' feels like dying'; so one > >>>> must understand > >>>> what that planet is doing in the chart. Its ' karaktava > >>>> ' and the houses > >>>> it owns suffer. > >>>> > >>>> For example :Ma in 7H, is the ' bachelor ' in the ' > >>>> kalatra bhava ' or > >>>> the ' house of love/relationship/spouse' and thus it ' > >>>> feels > >>>> uncomfortable ' here. > >>>> The basis of the ' remedy' is to strengthen the ' > >>>> overall karaka' of the > >>>> house, like for 7H its Venus, for 6H is Saturn, 9H is > >>>> Jupiter, Lagna is > >>>> Sun. > >>>> > >>>> Ths can be done whereever its best depending upon the > >>>> chart by gem, > >>>> worship of Deity of the relevant graha or by the Aditya > >>>> of that house; > >>>> as the 12 Adityas of the rasis hold the ' resources ' > >>>> of the bhavas. > >>>> > >>>> One must be careful with gems and consder if they could > >>>> effect other > >>>> aspects in a chart. > >>>> I am briefly giving a scheme here but each chart must > >>>> be looked at > >>>> before doing any remedies. It is best to request for > >>>> specific mantras > >>>> from a Guru as they are sacred or read relevant > >>>> classics of Jyotish > >>>> literature. I will thus not list out any specific mantras. > >>>> > >>>> Here is the scheme, with relevant gem and Aditya/deity > >>>> Sun (12H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > >>>> Moon(8H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > >>>> Mars(7H) - Diamond ; Ravi > >>>> Mercury (4H and 7H) - 4H - Pearl ; Mitra, 7H - Diamond > >>>> ;Ravi > >>>> Jupiter(3H) - Coral , Vivasvan > >>>> Venus(6H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > >>>> Satrun(1H) - Ruby ; Surya/Sri Ram > >>>> Rahu (9H) - Yellow Saphire ; Vishnu/Guru > >>>> > >>> > >>> ------ > >>> Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. > >>> <http://in.rd./tagline_maps_1/*http://in.maps.> > >>> > >> > >> > >> ------ > >> Chat on a cool, new interface. 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Guest guest Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vreality_au " <reality_v wrote: > Dear Su, Sa is karaka for Ta(2) and Li(7). sushil dikshit > Dear Chandrashekarji > Could you tell us for which lagnas Shani is not harmful? > > [My own lagna is Aq. Sadesati was one one of the most brilliant times > of my life tho I was plagued by continous ill health. Nothing major, > just little things designed more to distress than to kill. And some > prbs such as food allergies which began then Im still suffering today.] > > thank you > Rdgs > Su > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > You are right. But too much is made out of sadesati of Shani as it is > > not harmful to all lagnas, a fact missed by many. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > aavesh t wrote: > > > Dear Chandrashekarji, > > > > > > Thanks for your valuable tips.I will keep them in mind > > > > > > > > > Some observations: > > > > > > (i) If the planet placed in Maranakaraksthan is also the > > > Yogakaraka,the relative will not suffer as you rightly pointed out.It > > > is also better if one looks into the Chara > > > karaka signifying that relative and it's strength in the chart which > > > will give a more complete picture > > > > > > (ii)Shani Maharaj is a great leveller (to put it mildly) > > > During the periods of Shani Maharaj, when it is a Markesh > > > and placed in Dusthanas (without the benificial aspect of Guru) it > can > > > bring great suffering on the native. > > > > > > In my personal experience,I have seen that the only way to go through > > > a Shani period, particularly when Shani > > > Maharaj is not a Yogakaraka for the chart is to develop > > > a sense of humility and detachment (easier said than done) > > > > > > *Interstingly,Shani Maharaj is kind to people who meditate > > > regularly,respect their elders and do charity **with unselfish > motives* > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>/* wrote: > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > > > You are right. However, I think, if a planet is in marana karana > > > Sthana and simultaneously the yogakaraka its dasha may not > > > necessarily bring harm to the relative connected to that planet, > > > unless transit also indicates harm to the bhava representing that > > > relative. > > > > > > Shani is the greatest teacher, amongst the grahas, and teaches one > > > humility that is so essential to acquire true knowledge. It is > > > only to those with a high does of ego that Shani wants to teach a > > > lesson n humility. Ling Purana refers to it as the great planet. > > > You could recommend an iron ring in place of Neelam if you think > > > Shani is helpful to the person but weak in the chart. You could > > > also recommend Neelam if it is not 6th or 8th lord simultaneously > > > to its trine ownership. > > > > > > Surrendering before knowledge and the lord are essential to gain > > > knowledge, and I agree with what you have said about surrender > > > being necessary to be able to predict with any degree of accuracy. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh t wrote: > > >> Dear Chandrashekarji, > > >> > > >> Thanks for your response on my mail. > > >> > > >> Some observations: > > >> > > >> (i)Maranakarakasthana placement does not figure in delienating > > >> results of the planets 'per se' as you pointed out. > > >> > > >> *The Dashas of planets in Maranakarakasthanas bring > > >> problems (from/to) the 'relatives' represented by these planets > > >> in the chart* > > >> ** > > >> *(2)*Regarding the remedies,I also favour gems. > > >> > > >> However,in case of Shani Maharaj I very rarely recommend Neelam > > >> and advice fasting and visiting Shani Mandir on Saturday > > >> (Interestingly,in almost 75 % of the charts that I have read > > >> todate, the problems arise when Saade Saati,Ashtama Shani are > > >> going on. > > >> > > >> Shani Maharaj certainly is a great teacher.The only problem is > > >> that we refuse to bow down before him and wage a vain battle with > > >> our limited resources against the might of Shani Maharaj !! > > >> > > >> If only we could surrender before the divine will then the work > > >> of Jyotishis like us would be far simpler > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> aavesh > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>/* wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Aavesh, > > >> > > >> A very happy Deepavali to you too. > > >> > > >> I understand what is happening now. So it is marana karana > > >> sthana (I am sure Maraka sthana is a misnomer) of grahas that > > >> is being related to 12 Adityas. This is interesting as there > > >> are only 9 grahas but 12 Adityas. > > >> > > >> I agree that the physical bodies related to the grahas may > > >> suffer when in Marana karana sthanas, no the other matters > > >> related to them. > > >> The classics have reference to marana karana sthana, > > >> sometimes in the Kalachakra dasha chapter indicating the > > >> possibility of their use more in dashas than in > > >> interpretation of natal chart. But then every astrologer is > > >> free to his own opinion. > > >> > > >> As to remedies, I prefer gems and only in rare cases mantra, > > >> again an orthodox approach. But there are many ways in which > > >> remedies can be suggested by an astrologer. > > >> > > >> Take care, > > >> Chandrashekhar > > >> > > >> > > >> aavesh t wrote: > > >>> Namaskar Chandrashekarji & Lalitji, > > >>> > > >>> Firstly : > > >>> > > >>> *WISHING YOU A VERY HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS DIWALI.** * > > >>> *MAY THE FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS BRING UNBOUNDED PROSPERITY AND > > >>> ABUNDANCE IN THE COMING YEAR TO YOU* > > >>> *AND YOUR FAMILY* > > >>> ** > > >>> _Chandrashekarji_:The scheme that Lalitji has suggested is > > >>> derieved from an ongoing discussion on Maraksthana in > > >>> one of the SJC groups (Zoran Radosavljevic has given this > > >>> scheme in the course of discussions) > > >>> > > >>> In my personal experience,I have seen that planets in > > >>> Maraksthanas are very difficult to predict.It is as if > > >>> some significations of these planets are 'dead'. > > >>> > > >>> However,all the significations do not suffer.I have seen > > >>> that the 'live significations' of the planets suffer most in > > >>> these cases (Sun in 12th :Father does not keep good > > >>> health/lacks confidence etc) > > >>> > > >>> Regarding the remedies,I stick to the conventional remedies > > >>> viz:Mantra Jaap and Fasting for the Grahas concerned > > >>> > > >>> Regards, > > >>> > > >>> aavesh > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>/* wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Dear Lalit, > > >>> > > >>> An interesting post from you. Do you find any reference > > >>> to Mars being bachelor in the classics? The remedies > > >>> appear to be more empirical than chart specific and > > >>> though there are 12 bhavas and one can associate 12 > > >>> adityas with them, why should suddenly Rama and Guru > > >>> appear in their midst? Any particular reason? The bhavas > > >>> also do not seem to have the 12 adityas associated with > > >>> them, so the logic behind the remedies appears to defy > > >>> logic. I am sure the source from where you have culled > > >>> the information must have given the reasoning for the > > >>> allotment of only certain adityas, so it might be better > > >>> for that reasoning to be revealed so that astrologers > > >>> can learn from it and form their own opinion about use > > >>> of the information. > > >>> > > >>> Chandrashekhar. > > >>> > > >>> litsol wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Maraka concept must be understood before attempting any > > >>>> remedy. In > > >>>> Maraka position, a planet ' feels like dying'; so one > > >>>> must understand > > >>>> what that planet is doing in the chart. Its ' karaktava > > >>>> ' and the houses > > >>>> it owns suffer. > > >>>> > > >>>> For example :Ma in 7H, is the ' bachelor ' in the ' > > >>>> kalatra bhava ' or > > >>>> the ' house of love/relationship/spouse' and thus it ' > > >>>> feels > > >>>> uncomfortable ' here. > > >>>> The basis of the ' remedy' is to strengthen the ' > > >>>> overall karaka' of the > > >>>> house, like for 7H its Venus, for 6H is Saturn, 9H is > > >>>> Jupiter, Lagna is > > >>>> Sun. > > >>>> > > >>>> Ths can be done whereever its best depending upon the > > >>>> chart by gem, > > >>>> worship of Deity of the relevant graha or by the Aditya > > >>>> of that house; > > >>>> as the 12 Adityas of the rasis hold the ' resources ' > > >>>> of the bhavas. > > >>>> > > >>>> One must be careful with gems and consder if they could > > >>>> effect other > > >>>> aspects in a chart. > > >>>> I am briefly giving a scheme here but each chart must > > >>>> be looked at > > >>>> before doing any remedies. It is best to request for > > >>>> specific mantras > > >>>> from a Guru as they are sacred or read relevant > > >>>> classics of Jyotish > > >>>> literature. I will thus not list out any specific > mantras. > > >>>> > > >>>> Here is the scheme, with relevant gem and Aditya/deity > > >>>> Sun (12H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > > >>>> Moon(8H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > > >>>> Mars(7H) - Diamond ; Ravi > > >>>> Mercury (4H and 7H) - 4H - Pearl ; Mitra, 7H - Diamond > > >>>> ;Ravi > > >>>> Jupiter(3H) - Coral , Vivasvan > > >>>> Venus(6H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > > >>>> Satrun(1H) - Ruby ; Surya/Sri Ram > > >>>> Rahu (9H) - Yellow Saphire ; Vishnu/Guru > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > -- ---- > > >>> Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. Click here. > > >>> > <http://in.rd./tagline_maps_1/*http://in.maps.> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- ---- > > >> Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. 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Guest guest Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Being lord of kona and kendra for both. Thank you Sushilji. rgds Su Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Sushil Dikshit " <sushil.dikshit wrote: > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vreality_au " > <reality_v@> wrote: > > > > Dear Su, > > Sa is karaka for Ta(2) and Li(7). > > sushil dikshit > > > Dear Chandrashekarji > > Could you tell us for which lagnas Shani is not harmful? > > > > [My own lagna is Aq. Sadesati was one one of the most brilliant > times > > of my life tho I was plagued by continous ill health. Nothing major, > > just little things designed more to distress than to kill. And some > > prbs such as food allergies which began then Im still suffering > today.] > > > > thank you > > Rdgs > > Su > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > > > You are right. But too much is made out of sadesati of Shani as > it is > > > not harmful to all lagnas, a fact missed by many. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > aavesh t wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekarji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your valuable tips.I will keep them in mind > > > > > > > > > > > > Some observations: > > > > > > > > (i) If the planet placed in Maranakaraksthan is also the > > > > Yogakaraka,the relative will not suffer as you rightly pointed > out.It > > > > is also better if one looks into the Chara > > > > karaka signifying that relative and it's strength in the chart > which > > > > will give a more complete picture > > > > > > > > (ii)Shani Maharaj is a great leveller (to put it mildly) > > > > During the periods of Shani Maharaj, when it is a Markesh > > > > and placed in Dusthanas (without the benificial aspect of Guru) > it > > can > > > > bring great suffering on the native. > > > > > > > > In my personal experience,I have seen that the only way to go > through > > > > a Shani period, particularly when Shani > > > > Maharaj is not a Yogakaraka for the chart is to develop > > > > a sense of humility and detachment (easier said than done) > > > > > > > > *Interstingly,Shani Maharaj is kind to people who meditate > > > > regularly,respect their elders and do charity **with unselfish > > motives* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > > > > > You are right. However, I think, if a planet is in marana > karana > > > > Sthana and simultaneously the yogakaraka its dasha may not > > > > necessarily bring harm to the relative connected to that > planet, > > > > unless transit also indicates harm to the bhava > representing that > > > > relative. > > > > > > > > Shani is the greatest teacher, amongst the grahas, and > teaches one > > > > humility that is so essential to acquire true knowledge. It > is > > > > only to those with a high does of ego that Shani wants to > teach a > > > > lesson n humility. Ling Purana refers to it as the great > planet. > > > > You could recommend an iron ring in place of Neelam if you > think > > > > Shani is helpful to the person but weak in the chart. You > could > > > > also recommend Neelam if it is not 6th or 8th lord > simultaneously > > > > to its trine ownership. > > > > > > > > Surrendering before knowledge and the lord are essential to > gain > > > > knowledge, and I agree with what you have said about > surrender > > > > being necessary to be able to predict with any degree of > accuracy. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh t wrote: > > > >> Dear Chandrashekarji, > > > >> > > > >> Thanks for your response on my mail. > > > >> > > > >> Some observations: > > > >> > > > >> (i)Maranakarakasthana placement does not figure in > delienating > > > >> results of the planets 'per se' as you pointed out. > > > >> > > > >> *The Dashas of planets in Maranakarakasthanas bring > > > >> problems (from/to) the 'relatives' represented by these > planets > > > >> in the chart* > > > >> ** > > > >> *(2)*Regarding the remedies,I also favour gems. > > > >> > > > >> However,in case of Shani Maharaj I very rarely recommend > Neelam > > > >> and advice fasting and visiting Shani Mandir on Saturday > > > >> (Interestingly,in almost 75 % of the charts that I have > read > > > >> todate, the problems arise when Saade Saati,Ashtama Shani > are > > > >> going on. > > > >> > > > >> Shani Maharaj certainly is a great teacher.The only > problem is > > > >> that we refuse to bow down before him and wage a vain > battle with > > > >> our limited resources against the might of Shani Maharaj !! > > > >> > > > >> If only we could surrender before the divine will then the > work > > > >> of Jyotishis like us would be far simpler > > > >> > > > >> Regards, > > > >> > > > >> aavesh > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>/* wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dear Aavesh, > > > >> > > > >> A very happy Deepavali to you too. > > > >> > > > >> I understand what is happening now. So it is marana > karana > > > >> sthana (I am sure Maraka sthana is a misnomer) of > grahas that > > > >> is being related to 12 Adityas. This is interesting as > there > > > >> are only 9 grahas but 12 Adityas. > > > >> > > > >> I agree that the physical bodies related to the grahas > may > > > >> suffer when in Marana karana sthanas, no the other > matters > > > >> related to them. > > > >> The classics have reference to marana karana sthana, > > > >> sometimes in the Kalachakra dasha chapter indicating > the > > > >> possibility of their use more in dashas than in > > > >> interpretation of natal chart. But then every > astrologer is > > > >> free to his own opinion. > > > >> > > > >> As to remedies, I prefer gems and only in rare cases > mantra, > > > >> again an orthodox approach. But there are many ways in > which > > > >> remedies can be suggested by an astrologer. > > > >> > > > >> Take care, > > > >> Chandrashekhar > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> aavesh t wrote: > > > >>> Namaskar Chandrashekarji & Lalitji, > > > >>> > > > >>> Firstly : > > > >>> > > > >>> *WISHING YOU A VERY HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS DIWALI.** * > > > >>> *MAY THE FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS BRING UNBOUNDED > PROSPERITY AND > > > >>> ABUNDANCE IN THE COMING YEAR TO YOU* > > > >>> *AND YOUR FAMILY* > > > >>> ** > > > >>> _Chandrashekarji_:The scheme that Lalitji has > suggested is > > > >>> derieved from an ongoing discussion on Maraksthana in > > > >>> one of the SJC groups (Zoran Radosavljevic has given > this > > > >>> scheme in the course of discussions) > > > >>> > > > >>> In my personal experience,I have seen that planets in > > > >>> Maraksthanas are very difficult to predict.It is as if > > > >>> some significations of these planets are 'dead'. > > > >>> > > > >>> However,all the significations do not suffer.I have > seen > > > >>> that the 'live significations' of the planets suffer > most in > > > >>> these cases (Sun in 12th :Father does not keep good > > > >>> health/lacks confidence etc) > > > >>> > > > >>> Regarding the remedies,I stick to the conventional > remedies > > > >>> viz:Mantra Jaap and Fasting for the Grahas concerned > > > >>> > > > >>> Regards, > > > >>> > > > >>> aavesh > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>/* wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Dear Lalit, > > > >>> > > > >>> An interesting post from you. Do you find any > reference > > > >>> to Mars being bachelor in the classics? The > remedies > > > >>> appear to be more empirical than chart specific > and > > > >>> though there are 12 bhavas and one can associate > 12 > > > >>> adityas with them, why should suddenly Rama and > Guru > > > >>> appear in their midst? Any particular reason? The > bhavas > > > >>> also do not seem to have the 12 adityas > associated with > > > >>> them, so the logic behind the remedies appears to > defy > > > >>> logic. I am sure the source from where you have > culled > > > >>> the information must have given the reasoning for > the > > > >>> allotment of only certain adityas, so it might be > better > > > >>> for that reasoning to be revealed so that > astrologers > > > >>> can learn from it and form their own opinion > about use > > > >>> of the information. > > > >>> > > > >>> Chandrashekhar. > > > >>> > > > >>> litsol wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Maraka concept must be understood before > attempting any > > > >>>> remedy. In > > > >>>> Maraka position, a planet ' feels like dying'; > so one > > > >>>> must understand > > > >>>> what that planet is doing in the chart. Its ' > karaktava > > > >>>> ' and the houses > > > >>>> it owns suffer. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> For example :Ma in 7H, is the ' bachelor ' in > the ' > > > >>>> kalatra bhava ' or > > > >>>> the ' house of love/relationship/spouse' and > thus it ' > > > >>>> feels > > > >>>> uncomfortable ' here. > > > >>>> The basis of the ' remedy' is to strengthen the ' > > > >>>> overall karaka' of the > > > >>>> house, like for 7H its Venus, for 6H is Saturn, > 9H is > > > >>>> Jupiter, Lagna is > > > >>>> Sun. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Ths can be done whereever its best depending > upon the > > > >>>> chart by gem, > > > >>>> worship of Deity of the relevant graha or by the > Aditya > > > >>>> of that house; > > > >>>> as the 12 Adityas of the rasis hold the ' > resources ' > > > >>>> of the bhavas. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> One must be careful with gems and consder if > they could > > > >>>> effect other > > > >>>> aspects in a chart. > > > >>>> I am briefly giving a scheme here but each chart > must > > > >>>> be looked at > > > >>>> before doing any remedies. It is best to request > for > > > >>>> specific mantras > > > >>>> from a Guru as they are sacred or read relevant > > > >>>> classics of Jyotish > > > >>>> literature. I will thus not list out any specific > > mantras. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Here is the scheme, with relevant gem and > Aditya/deity > > > >>>> Sun (12H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > > > >>>> Moon(8H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > > > >>>> Mars(7H) - Diamond ; Ravi > > > >>>> Mercury (4H and 7H) - 4H - Pearl ; Mitra, 7H - > Diamond > > > >>>> ;Ravi > > > >>>> Jupiter(3H) - Coral , Vivasvan > > > >>>> Venus(6H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > > > >>>> Satrun(1H) - Ruby ; Surya/Sri Ram > > > >>>> Rahu (9H) - Yellow Saphire ; Vishnu/Guru > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > -- > ---- > > > >>> Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. Click > here. > > > >>> > > <http://in.rd./tagline_maps_1/*http://in.maps.> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -- > ---- > > > >> Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. 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Guest guest Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Dear Su, It is not very harmful for Capricorn, Aquarius, Gemini, Virgo, Taurus and Libra as it is either Lagnesh or the trine lord for them. Take care, Chandrashekhar. vreality_au wrote: Dear Chandrashekarji Could you tell us for which lagnas Shani is not harmful? [My own lagna is Aq. Sadesati was one one of the most brilliant times of my life tho I was plagued by continous ill health. Nothing major, just little things designed more to distress than to kill. And some prbs such as food allergies which began then Im still suffering today.] thank you Rdgs Su Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Aavesh, > > You are right. But too much is made out of sadesati of Shani as it is > not harmful to all lagnas, a fact missed by many. > > Chandrashekhar. > > aavesh t wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekarji, > > > > Thanks for your valuable tips.I will keep them in mind > > > > > > Some observations: > > > > (i) If the planet placed in Maranakaraksthan is also the > > Yogakaraka,the relative will not suffer as you rightly pointed out.It > > is also better if one looks into the Chara > > karaka signifying that relative and it's strength in the chart which > > will give a more complete picture > > > > (ii)Shani Maharaj is a great leveller (to put it mildly) > > During the periods of Shani Maharaj, when it is a Markesh > > and placed in Dusthanas (without the benificial aspect of Guru) it can > > bring great suffering on the native. > > > > In my personal experience,I have seen that the only way to go through > > a Shani period, particularly when Shani > > Maharaj is not a Yogakaraka for the chart is to develop > > a sense of humility and detachment (easier said than done) > > > > *Interstingly,Shani Maharaj is kind to people who meditate > > regularly,respect their elders and do charity **with unselfish motives* > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar/* wrote: > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > You are right. However, I think, if a planet is in marana karana > > Sthana and simultaneously the yogakaraka its dasha may not > > necessarily bring harm to the relative connected to that planet, > > unless transit also indicates harm to the bhava representing that > > relative. > > > > Shani is the greatest teacher, amongst the grahas, and teaches one > > humility that is so essential to acquire true knowledge. It is > > only to those with a high does of ego that Shani wants to teach a > > lesson n humility. Ling Purana refers to it as the great planet. > > You could recommend an iron ring in place of Neelam if you think > > Shani is helpful to the person but weak in the chart. You could > > also recommend Neelam if it is not 6th or 8th lord simultaneously > > to its trine ownership. > > > > Surrendering before knowledge and the lord are essential to gain > > knowledge, and I agree with what you have said about surrender > > being necessary to be able to predict with any degree of accuracy. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > aavesh t wrote: > >> Dear Chandrashekarji, > >> > >> Thanks for your response on my mail. > >> > >> Some observations: > >> > >> (i)Maranakarakasthana placement does not figure in delienating > >> results of the planets 'per se' as you pointed out. > >> > >> *The Dashas of planets in Maranakarakasthanas bring > >> problems (from/to) the 'relatives' represented by these planets > >> in the chart* > >> ** > >> *(2)*Regarding the remedies,I also favour gems. > >> > >> However,in case of Shani Maharaj I very rarely recommend Neelam > >> and advice fasting and visiting Shani Mandir on Saturday > >> (Interestingly,in almost 75 % of the charts that I have read > >> todate, the problems arise when Saade Saati,Ashtama Shani are > >> going on. > >> > >> Shani Maharaj certainly is a great teacher.The only problem is > >> that we refuse to bow down before him and wage a vain battle with > >> our limited resources against the might of Shani Maharaj !! > >> > >> If only we could surrender before the divine will then the work > >> of Jyotishis like us would be far simpler > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> aavesh > >> > >> > >> > >> */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar/* wrote: > >> > >> Dear Aavesh, > >> > >> A very happy Deepavali to you too. > >> > >> I understand what is happening now. So it is marana karana > >> sthana (I am sure Maraka sthana is a misnomer) of grahas that > >> is being related to 12 Adityas. This is interesting as there > >> are only 9 grahas but 12 Adityas. > >> > >> I agree that the physical bodies related to the grahas may > >> suffer when in Marana karana sthanas, no the other matters > >> related to them. > >> The classics have reference to marana karana sthana, > >> sometimes in the Kalachakra dasha chapter indicating the > >> possibility of their use more in dashas than in > >> interpretation of natal chart. But then every astrologer is > >> free to his own opinion. > >> > >> As to remedies, I prefer gems and only in rare cases mantra, > >> again an orthodox approach. But there are many ways in which > >> remedies can be suggested by an astrologer. > >> > >> Take care, > >> Chandrashekhar > >> > >> > >> aavesh t wrote: > >>> Namaskar Chandrashekarji & Lalitji, > >>> > >>> Firstly : > >>> > >>> *WISHING YOU A VERY HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS DIWALI.** * > >>> *MAY THE FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS BRING UNBOUNDED PROSPERITY AND > >>> ABUNDANCE IN THE COMING YEAR TO YOU* > >>> *AND YOUR FAMILY* > >>> ** > >>> _Chandrashekarji_:The scheme that Lalitji has suggested is > >>> derieved from an ongoing discussion on Maraksthana in > >>> one of the SJC groups (Zoran Radosavljevic has given this > >>> scheme in the course of discussions) > >>> > >>> In my personal experience,I have seen that planets in > >>> Maraksthanas are very difficult to predict.It is as if > >>> some significations of these planets are 'dead'. > >>> > >>> However,all the significations do not suffer.I have seen > >>> that the 'live significations' of the planets suffer most in > >>> these cases (Sun in 12th :Father does not keep good > >>> health/lacks confidence etc) > >>> > >>> Regarding the remedies,I stick to the conventional remedies > >>> viz:Mantra Jaap and Fasting for the Grahas concerned > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> aavesh > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar/* wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Lalit, > >>> > >>> An interesting post from you. Do you find any reference > >>> to Mars being bachelor in the classics? The remedies > >>> appear to be more empirical than chart specific and > >>> though there are 12 bhavas and one can associate 12 > >>> adityas with them, why should suddenly Rama and Guru > >>> appear in their midst? Any particular reason? The bhavas > >>> also do not seem to have the 12 adityas associated with > >>> them, so the logic behind the remedies appears to defy > >>> logic. I am sure the source from where you have culled > >>> the information must have given the reasoning for the > >>> allotment of only certain adityas, so it might be better > >>> for that reasoning to be revealed so that astrologers > >>> can learn from it and form their own opinion about use > >>> of the information. > >>> > >>> Chandrashekhar. > >>> > >>> litsol wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Maraka concept must be understood before attempting any > >>>> remedy. In > >>>> Maraka position, a planet ' feels like dying'; so one > >>>> must understand > >>>> what that planet is doing in the chart. Its ' karaktava > >>>> ' and the houses > >>>> it owns suffer. > >>>> > >>>> For example :Ma in 7H, is the ' bachelor ' in the ' > >>>> kalatra bhava ' or > >>>> the ' house of love/relationship/spouse' and thus it ' > >>>> feels > >>>> uncomfortable ' here. > >>>> The basis of the ' remedy' is to strengthen the ' > >>>> overall karaka' of the > >>>> house, like for 7H its Venus, for 6H is Saturn, 9H is > >>>> Jupiter, Lagna is > >>>> Sun. > >>>> > >>>> Ths can be done whereever its best depending upon the > >>>> chart by gem, > >>>> worship of Deity of the relevant graha or by the Aditya > >>>> of that house; > >>>> as the 12 Adityas of the rasis hold the ' resources ' > >>>> of the bhavas. > >>>> > >>>> One must be careful with gems and consder if they could > >>>> effect other > >>>> aspects in a chart. > >>>> I am briefly giving a scheme here but each chart must > >>>> be looked at > >>>> before doing any remedies. It is best to request for > >>>> specific mantras > >>>> from a Guru as they are sacred or read relevant > >>>> classics of Jyotish > >>>> literature. I will thus not list out any specific mantras. > >>>> > >>>> Here is the scheme, with relevant gem and Aditya/deity > >>>> Sun (12H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > >>>> Moon(8H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > >>>> Mars(7H) - Diamond ; Ravi > >>>> Mercury (4H and 7H) - 4H - Pearl ; Mitra, 7H - Diamond > >>>> ;Ravi > >>>> Jupiter(3H) - Coral , Vivasvan > >>>> Venus(6H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > >>>> Satrun(1H) - Ruby ; Surya/Sri Ram > >>>> Rahu (9H) - Yellow Saphire ; Vishnu/Guru > >>>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------- > >>> Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. Click here. > >>> <http://in.rd./tagline_maps_1/*http://in.maps.> > >>> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------- > >> Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > >> <http://in.rd./tagline_webmessenger_10/*http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------- > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > <http://in.rd./tagline_mail_2/*http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 Dear Chandrashekar ji thank you for yr patient reply. I suspected it but needed confirmation. Extremely kind of you to always take the trouble to reply even the simplest of queries. rdgs Su Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Su, > > It is not very harmful for Capricorn, Aquarius, Gemini, Virgo, Taurus > and Libra as it is either Lagnesh or the trine lord for them. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > vreality_au wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekarji > > Could you tell us for which lagnas Shani is not harmful? > > > > [My own lagna is Aq. Sadesati was one one of the most brilliant times > > of my life tho I was plagued by continous ill health. Nothing major, > > just little things designed more to distress than to kill. And some > > prbs such as food allergies which began then Im still suffering today.] > > > > thank you > > Rdgs > > Su > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > > > You are right. But too much is made out of sadesati of Shani as it is > > > not harmful to all lagnas, a fact missed by many. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > aavesh t wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekarji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your valuable tips.I will keep them in mind > > > > > > > > > > > > Some observations: > > > > > > > > (i) If the planet placed in Maranakaraksthan is also the > > > > Yogakaraka,the relative will not suffer as you rightly pointed out.It > > > > is also better if one looks into the Chara > > > > karaka signifying that relative and it's strength in the chart which > > > > will give a more complete picture > > > > > > > > (ii)Shani Maharaj is a great leveller (to put it mildly) > > > > During the periods of Shani Maharaj, when it is a Markesh > > > > and placed in Dusthanas (without the benificial aspect of Guru) it > > can > > > > bring great suffering on the native. > > > > > > > > In my personal experience,I have seen that the only way to go through > > > > a Shani period, particularly when Shani > > > > Maharaj is not a Yogakaraka for the chart is to develop > > > > a sense of humility and detachment (easier said than done) > > > > > > > > *Interstingly,Shani Maharaj is kind to people who meditate > > > > regularly,respect their elders and do charity **with unselfish > > motives* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > > > > > You are right. However, I think, if a planet is in marana karana > > > > Sthana and simultaneously the yogakaraka its dasha may not > > > > necessarily bring harm to the relative connected to that planet, > > > > unless transit also indicates harm to the bhava representing that > > > > relative. > > > > > > > > Shani is the greatest teacher, amongst the grahas, and teaches one > > > > humility that is so essential to acquire true knowledge. It is > > > > only to those with a high does of ego that Shani wants to teach a > > > > lesson n humility. Ling Purana refers to it as the great planet. > > > > You could recommend an iron ring in place of Neelam if you think > > > > Shani is helpful to the person but weak in the chart. You could > > > > also recommend Neelam if it is not 6th or 8th lord simultaneously > > > > to its trine ownership. > > > > > > > > Surrendering before knowledge and the lord are essential to gain > > > > knowledge, and I agree with what you have said about surrender > > > > being necessary to be able to predict with any degree of accuracy. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh t wrote: > > > >> Dear Chandrashekarji, > > > >> > > > >> Thanks for your response on my mail. > > > >> > > > >> Some observations: > > > >> > > > >> (i)Maranakarakasthana placement does not figure in delienating > > > >> results of the planets 'per se' as you pointed out. > > > >> > > > >> *The Dashas of planets in Maranakarakasthanas bring > > > >> problems (from/to) the 'relatives' represented by these planets > > > >> in the chart* > > > >> ** > > > >> *(2)*Regarding the remedies,I also favour gems. > > > >> > > > >> However,in case of Shani Maharaj I very rarely recommend Neelam > > > >> and advice fasting and visiting Shani Mandir on Saturday > > > >> (Interestingly,in almost 75 % of the charts that I have read > > > >> todate, the problems arise when Saade Saati,Ashtama Shani are > > > >> going on. > > > >> > > > >> Shani Maharaj certainly is a great teacher.The only problem is > > > >> that we refuse to bow down before him and wage a vain battle with > > > >> our limited resources against the might of Shani Maharaj !! > > > >> > > > >> If only we could surrender before the divine will then the work > > > >> of Jyotishis like us would be far simpler > > > >> > > > >> Regards, > > > >> > > > >> aavesh > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>/* wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dear Aavesh, > > > >> > > > >> A very happy Deepavali to you too. > > > >> > > > >> I understand what is happening now. So it is marana karana > > > >> sthana (I am sure Maraka sthana is a misnomer) of grahas that > > > >> is being related to 12 Adityas. This is interesting as there > > > >> are only 9 grahas but 12 Adityas. > > > >> > > > >> I agree that the physical bodies related to the grahas may > > > >> suffer when in Marana karana sthanas, no the other matters > > > >> related to them. > > > >> The classics have reference to marana karana sthana, > > > >> sometimes in the Kalachakra dasha chapter indicating the > > > >> possibility of their use more in dashas than in > > > >> interpretation of natal chart. But then every astrologer is > > > >> free to his own opinion. > > > >> > > > >> As to remedies, I prefer gems and only in rare cases mantra, > > > >> again an orthodox approach. But there are many ways in which > > > >> remedies can be suggested by an astrologer. > > > >> > > > >> Take care, > > > >> Chandrashekhar > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> aavesh t wrote: > > > >>> Namaskar Chandrashekarji & Lalitji, > > > >>> > > > >>> Firstly : > > > >>> > > > >>> *WISHING YOU A VERY HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS DIWALI.** * > > > >>> *MAY THE FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS BRING UNBOUNDED PROSPERITY AND > > > >>> ABUNDANCE IN THE COMING YEAR TO YOU* > > > >>> *AND YOUR FAMILY* > > > >>> ** > > > >>> _Chandrashekarji_:The scheme that Lalitji has suggested is > > > >>> derieved from an ongoing discussion on Maraksthana in > > > >>> one of the SJC groups (Zoran Radosavljevic has given this > > > >>> scheme in the course of discussions) > > > >>> > > > >>> In my personal experience,I have seen that planets in > > > >>> Maraksthanas are very difficult to predict.It is as if > > > >>> some significations of these planets are 'dead'. > > > >>> > > > >>> However,all the significations do not suffer.I have seen > > > >>> that the 'live significations' of the planets suffer most in > > > >>> these cases (Sun in 12th :Father does not keep good > > > >>> health/lacks confidence etc) > > > >>> > > > >>> Regarding the remedies,I stick to the conventional remedies > > > >>> viz:Mantra Jaap and Fasting for the Grahas concerned > > > >>> > > > >>> Regards, > > > >>> > > > >>> aavesh > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>/* wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Dear Lalit, > > > >>> > > > >>> An interesting post from you. Do you find any reference > > > >>> to Mars being bachelor in the classics? The remedies > > > >>> appear to be more empirical than chart specific and > > > >>> though there are 12 bhavas and one can associate 12 > > > >>> adityas with them, why should suddenly Rama and Guru > > > >>> appear in their midst? Any particular reason? The bhavas > > > >>> also do not seem to have the 12 adityas associated with > > > >>> them, so the logic behind the remedies appears to defy > > > >>> logic. I am sure the source from where you have culled > > > >>> the information must have given the reasoning for the > > > >>> allotment of only certain adityas, so it might be better > > > >>> for that reasoning to be revealed so that astrologers > > > >>> can learn from it and form their own opinion about use > > > >>> of the information. > > > >>> > > > >>> Chandrashekhar. > > > >>> > > > >>> litsol wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Maraka concept must be understood before attempting any > > > >>>> remedy. In > > > >>>> Maraka position, a planet ' feels like dying'; so one > > > >>>> must understand > > > >>>> what that planet is doing in the chart. Its ' karaktava > > > >>>> ' and the houses > > > >>>> it owns suffer. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> For example :Ma in 7H, is the ' bachelor ' in the ' > > > >>>> kalatra bhava ' or > > > >>>> the ' house of love/relationship/spouse' and thus it ' > > > >>>> feels > > > >>>> uncomfortable ' here. > > > >>>> The basis of the ' remedy' is to strengthen the ' > > > >>>> overall karaka' of the > > > >>>> house, like for 7H its Venus, for 6H is Saturn, 9H is > > > >>>> Jupiter, Lagna is > > > >>>> Sun. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Ths can be done whereever its best depending upon the > > > >>>> chart by gem, > > > >>>> worship of Deity of the relevant graha or by the Aditya > > > >>>> of that house; > > > >>>> as the 12 Adityas of the rasis hold the ' resources ' > > > >>>> of the bhavas. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> One must be careful with gems and consder if they could > > > >>>> effect other > > > >>>> aspects in a chart. > > > >>>> I am briefly giving a scheme here but each chart must > > > >>>> be looked at > > > >>>> before doing any remedies. It is best to request for > > > >>>> specific mantras > > > >>>> from a Guru as they are sacred or read relevant > > > >>>> classics of Jyotish > > > >>>> literature. I will thus not list out any specific > > mantras. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Here is the scheme, with relevant gem and Aditya/deity > > > >>>> Sun (12H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > > > >>>> Moon(8H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > > > >>>> Mars(7H) - Diamond ; Ravi > > > >>>> Mercury (4H and 7H) - 4H - Pearl ; Mitra, 7H - Diamond > > > >>>> ;Ravi > > > >>>> Jupiter(3H) - Coral , Vivasvan > > > >>>> Venus(6H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > > > >>>> Satrun(1H) - Ruby ; Surya/Sri Ram > > > >>>> Rahu (9H) - Yellow Saphire ; Vishnu/Guru > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > ------------------------- > > > >>> Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. > > > >>> > > <http://in.rd./tagline_maps_1/*http://in.maps. > > <http://in.rd./tagline_maps_1/*http://in.maps.>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------- > > > >> Chat on a cool, new interface. 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Guest guest Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 Dear Su, Every question indicates the desire to learn so it needs response. Take care, Chandrashekhar. vreality_au wrote: Dear Chandrashekar ji thank you for yr patient reply. I suspected it but needed confirmation. Extremely kind of you to always take the trouble to reply even the simplest of queries. rdgs Su Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Su, > > It is not very harmful for Capricorn, Aquarius, Gemini, Virgo, Taurus > and Libra as it is either Lagnesh or the trine lord for them. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > vreality_au wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekarji > > Could you tell us for which lagnas Shani is not harmful? > > > > [My own lagna is Aq. Sadesati was one one of the most brilliant times > > of my life tho I was plagued by continous ill health. Nothing major, > > just little things designed more to distress than to kill. And some > > prbs such as food allergies which began then Im still suffering today.] > > > > thank you > > Rdgs > > Su > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > > > You are right. But too much is made out of sadesati of Shani as it is > > > not harmful to all lagnas, a fact missed by many. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > aavesh t wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekarji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your valuable tips.I will keep them in mind > > > > > > > > > > > > Some observations: > > > > > > > > (i) If the planet placed in Maranakaraksthan is also the > > > > Yogakaraka,the relative will not suffer as you rightly pointed out.It > > > > is also better if one looks into the Chara > > > > karaka signifying that relative and it's strength in the chart which > > > > will give a more complete picture > > > > > > > > (ii)Shani Maharaj is a great leveller (to put it mildly) > > > > During the periods of Shani Maharaj, when it is a Markesh > > > > and placed in Dusthanas (without the benificial aspect of Guru) it > > can > > > > bring great suffering on the native. > > > > > > > > In my personal experience,I have seen that the only way to go through > > > > a Shani period, particularly when Shani > > > > Maharaj is not a Yogakaraka for the chart is to develop > > > > a sense of humility and detachment (easier said than done) > > > > > > > > *Interstingly,Shani Maharaj is kind to people who meditate > > > > regularly,respect their elders and do charity **with unselfish > > motives* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > > > > > You are right. However, I think, if a planet is in marana karana > > > > Sthana and simultaneously the yogakaraka its dasha may not > > > > necessarily bring harm to the relative connected to that planet, > > > > unless transit also indicates harm to the bhava representing that > > > > relative. > > > > > > > > Shani is the greatest teacher, amongst the grahas, and teaches one > > > > humility that is so essential to acquire true knowledge. It is > > > > only to those with a high does of ego that Shani wants to teach a > > > > lesson n humility. Ling Purana refers to it as the great planet. > > > > You could recommend an iron ring in place of Neelam if you think > > > > Shani is helpful to the person but weak in the chart. You could > > > > also recommend Neelam if it is not 6th or 8th lord simultaneously > > > > to its trine ownership. > > > > > > > > Surrendering before knowledge and the lord are essential to gain > > > > knowledge, and I agree with what you have said about surrender > > > > being necessary to be able to predict with any degree of accuracy. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh t wrote: > > > >> Dear Chandrashekarji, > > > >> > > > >> Thanks for your response on my mail. > > > >> > > > >> Some observations: > > > >> > > > >> (i)Maranakarakasthana placement does not figure in delienating > > > >> results of the planets 'per se' as you pointed out. > > > >> > > > >> *The Dashas of planets in Maranakarakasthanas bring > > > >> problems (from/to) the 'relatives' represented by these planets > > > >> in the chart* > > > >> ** > > > >> *(2)*Regarding the remedies,I also favour gems. > > > >> > > > >> However,in case of Shani Maharaj I very rarely recommend Neelam > > > >> and advice fasting and visiting Shani Mandir on Saturday > > > >> (Interestingly,in almost 75 % of the charts that I have read > > > >> todate, the problems arise when Saade Saati,Ashtama Shani are > > > >> going on. > > > >> > > > >> Shani Maharaj certainly is a great teacher.The only problem is > > > >> that we refuse to bow down before him and wage a vain battle with > > > >> our limited resources against the might of Shani Maharaj !! > > > >> > > > >> If only we could surrender before the divine will then the work > > > >> of Jyotishis like us would be far simpler > > > >> > > > >> Regards, > > > >> > > > >> aavesh > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>/* wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dear Aavesh, > > > >> > > > >> A very happy Deepavali to you too. > > > >> > > > >> I understand what is happening now. So it is marana karana > > > >> sthana (I am sure Maraka sthana is a misnomer) of grahas that > > > >> is being related to 12 Adityas. This is interesting as there > > > >> are only 9 grahas but 12 Adityas. > > > >> > > > >> I agree that the physical bodies related to the grahas may > > > >> suffer when in Marana karana sthanas, no the other matters > > > >> related to them. > > > >> The classics have reference to marana karana sthana, > > > >> sometimes in the Kalachakra dasha chapter indicating the > > > >> possibility of their use more in dashas than in > > > >> interpretation of natal chart. But then every astrologer is > > > >> free to his own opinion. > > > >> > > > >> As to remedies, I prefer gems and only in rare cases mantra, > > > >> again an orthodox approach. But there are many ways in which > > > >> remedies can be suggested by an astrologer. > > > >> > > > >> Take care, > > > >> Chandrashekhar > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> aavesh t wrote: > > > >>> Namaskar Chandrashekarji & Lalitji, > > > >>> > > > >>> Firstly : > > > >>> > > > >>> *WISHING YOU A VERY HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS DIWALI.** * > > > >>> *MAY THE FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS BRING UNBOUNDED PROSPERITY AND > > > >>> ABUNDANCE IN THE COMING YEAR TO YOU* > > > >>> *AND YOUR FAMILY* > > > >>> ** > > > >>> _Chandrashekarji_:The scheme that Lalitji has suggested is > > > >>> derieved from an ongoing discussion on Maraksthana in > > > >>> one of the SJC groups (Zoran Radosavljevic has given this > > > >>> scheme in the course of discussions) > > > >>> > > > >>> In my personal experience,I have seen that planets in > > > >>> Maraksthanas are very difficult to predict.It is as if > > > >>> some significations of these planets are 'dead'. > > > >>> > > > >>> However,all the significations do not suffer.I have seen > > > >>> that the 'live significations' of the planets suffer most in > > > >>> these cases (Sun in 12th :Father does not keep good > > > >>> health/lacks confidence etc) > > > >>> > > > >>> Regarding the remedies,I stick to the conventional remedies > > > >>> viz:Mantra Jaap and Fasting for the Grahas concerned > > > >>> > > > >>> Regards, > > > >>> > > > >>> aavesh > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>/* wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Dear Lalit, > > > >>> > > > >>> An interesting post from you. Do you find any reference > > > >>> to Mars being bachelor in the classics? The remedies > > > >>> appear to be more empirical than chart specific and > > > >>> though there are 12 bhavas and one can associate 12 > > > >>> adityas with them, why should suddenly Rama and Guru > > > >>> appear in their midst? Any particular reason? The bhavas > > > >>> also do not seem to have the 12 adityas associated with > > > >>> them, so the logic behind the remedies appears to defy > > > >>> logic. I am sure the source from where you have culled > > > >>> the information must have given the reasoning for the > > > >>> allotment of only certain adityas, so it might be better > > > >>> for that reasoning to be revealed so that astrologers > > > >>> can learn from it and form their own opinion about use > > > >>> of the information. > > > >>> > > > >>> Chandrashekhar. > > > >>> > > > >>> litsol wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Maraka concept must be understood before attempting any > > > >>>> remedy. In > > > >>>> Maraka position, a planet ' feels like dying'; so one > > > >>>> must understand > > > >>>> what that planet is doing in the chart. Its ' karaktava > > > >>>> ' and the houses > > > >>>> it owns suffer. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> For example :Ma in 7H, is the ' bachelor ' in the ' > > > >>>> kalatra bhava ' or > > > >>>> the ' house of love/relationship/spouse' and thus it ' > > > >>>> feels > > > >>>> uncomfortable ' here. > > > >>>> The basis of the ' remedy' is to strengthen the ' > > > >>>> overall karaka' of the > > > >>>> house, like for 7H its Venus, for 6H is Saturn, 9H is > > > >>>> Jupiter, Lagna is > > > >>>> Sun. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Ths can be done whereever its best depending upon the > > > >>>> chart by gem, > > > >>>> worship of Deity of the relevant graha or by the Aditya > > > >>>> of that house; > > > >>>> as the 12 Adityas of the rasis hold the ' resources ' > > > >>>> of the bhavas. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> One must be careful with gems and consder if they could > > > >>>> effect other > > > >>>> aspects in a chart. > > > >>>> I am briefly giving a scheme here but each chart must > > > >>>> be looked at > > > >>>> before doing any remedies. It is best to request for > > > >>>> specific mantras > > > >>>> from a Guru as they are sacred or read relevant > > > >>>> classics of Jyotish > > > >>>> literature. I will thus not list out any specific > > mantras. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Here is the scheme, with relevant gem and Aditya/deity > > > >>>> Sun (12H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > > > >>>> Moon(8H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > > > >>>> Mars(7H) - Diamond ; Ravi > > > >>>> Mercury (4H and 7H) - 4H - Pearl ; Mitra, 7H - Diamond > > > >>>> ;Ravi > > > >>>> Jupiter(3H) - Coral , Vivasvan > > > >>>> Venus(6H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > > > >>>> Satrun(1H) - Ruby ; Surya/Sri Ram > > > >>>> Rahu (9H) - Yellow Saphire ; Vishnu/Guru > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > ------------------------- > > > >>> Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. > > > >>> > > <http://in.rd./tagline_maps_1/*http://in.maps. > > <http://in.rd./tagline_maps_1/*http://in.maps.>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------- > > > >> Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > >> > > <http://in.rd./tagline_webmessenger_10/*http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php > > <http://in.rd./tagline_webmessenger_10/*http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > > <http://in.rd./tagline_mail_2/*http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/ > > <http://in.rd./tagline_mail_2/*http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 Thank you Sir, we cherish your presence here. rdgs Su Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Su, > > Every question indicates the desire to learn so it needs response. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > vreality_au wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekar ji > > thank you for yr patient reply. I suspected it but needed confirmation. > > > > Extremely kind of you to always take the trouble to reply even the > > simplest of queries. > > > > rdgs > > Su > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > > > It is not very harmful for Capricorn, Aquarius, Gemini, Virgo, Taurus > > > and Libra as it is either Lagnesh or the trine lord for them. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > vreality_au wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekarji > > > > Could you tell us for which lagnas Shani is not harmful? > > > > > > > > [My own lagna is Aq. Sadesati was one one of the most brilliant times > > > > of my life tho I was plagued by continous ill health. Nothing major, > > > > just little things designed more to distress than to kill. And some > > > > prbs such as food allergies which began then Im still suffering > > today.] > > > > > > > > thank you > > > > Rdgs > > > > Su > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > > > > > > > You are right. But too much is made out of sadesati of Shani as > > it is > > > > > not harmful to all lagnas, a fact missed by many. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > aavesh t wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your valuable tips.I will keep them in mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some observations: > > > > > > > > > > > > (i) If the planet placed in Maranakaraksthan is also the > > > > > > Yogakaraka,the relative will not suffer as you rightly pointed > > out.It > > > > > > is also better if one looks into the Chara > > > > > > karaka signifying that relative and it's strength in the chart > > which > > > > > > will give a more complete picture > > > > > > > > > > > > (ii)Shani Maharaj is a great leveller (to put it mildly) > > > > > > During the periods of Shani Maharaj, when it is a Markesh > > > > > > and placed in Dusthanas (without the benificial aspect of Guru) it > > > > can > > > > > > bring great suffering on the native. > > > > > > > > > > > > In my personal experience,I have seen that the only way to go > > through > > > > > > a Shani period, particularly when Shani > > > > > > Maharaj is not a Yogakaraka for the chart is to develop > > > > > > a sense of humility and detachment (easier said than done) > > > > > > > > > > > > *Interstingly,Shani Maharaj is kind to people who meditate > > > > > > regularly,respect their elders and do charity **with unselfish > > > > motives* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right. However, I think, if a planet is in marana karana > > > > > > Sthana and simultaneously the yogakaraka its dasha may not > > > > > > necessarily bring harm to the relative connected to that planet, > > > > > > unless transit also indicates harm to the bhava representing that > > > > > > relative. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shani is the greatest teacher, amongst the grahas, and teaches one > > > > > > humility that is so essential to acquire true knowledge. It is > > > > > > only to those with a high does of ego that Shani wants to teach a > > > > > > lesson n humility. Ling Purana refers to it as the great planet. > > > > > > You could recommend an iron ring in place of Neelam if you think > > > > > > Shani is helpful to the person but weak in the chart. You could > > > > > > also recommend Neelam if it is not 6th or 8th lord simultaneously > > > > > > to its trine ownership. > > > > > > > > > > > > Surrendering before knowledge and the lord are essential to gain > > > > > > knowledge, and I agree with what you have said about surrender > > > > > > being necessary to be able to predict with any degree of accuracy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh t wrote: > > > > > >> Dear Chandrashekarji, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thanks for your response on my mail. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Some observations: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> (i)Maranakarakasthana placement does not figure in delienating > > > > > >> results of the planets 'per se' as you pointed out. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> *The Dashas of planets in Maranakarakasthanas bring > > > > > >> problems (from/to) the 'relatives' represented by these planets > > > > > >> in the chart* > > > > > >> ** > > > > > >> *(2)*Regarding the remedies,I also favour gems. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> However,in case of Shani Maharaj I very rarely recommend Neelam > > > > > >> and advice fasting and visiting Shani Mandir on Saturday > > > > > >> (Interestingly,in almost 75 % of the charts that I have read > > > > > >> todate, the problems arise when Saade Saati,Ashtama Shani are > > > > > >> going on. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Shani Maharaj certainly is a great teacher.The only problem is > > > > > >> that we refuse to bow down before him and wage a vain battle with > > > > > >> our limited resources against the might of Shani Maharaj !! > > > > > >> > > > > > >> If only we could surrender before the divine will then the work > > > > > >> of Jyotishis like us would be far simpler > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Regards, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> aavesh > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>/* wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Dear Aavesh, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> A very happy Deepavali to you too. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I understand what is happening now. So it is marana karana > > > > > >> sthana (I am sure Maraka sthana is a misnomer) of grahas that > > > > > >> is being related to 12 Adityas. This is interesting as there > > > > > >> are only 9 grahas but 12 Adityas. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I agree that the physical bodies related to the grahas may > > > > > >> suffer when in Marana karana sthanas, no the other matters > > > > > >> related to them. > > > > > >> The classics have reference to marana karana sthana, > > > > > >> sometimes in the Kalachakra dasha chapter indicating the > > > > > >> possibility of their use more in dashas than in > > > > > >> interpretation of natal chart. But then every astrologer is > > > > > >> free to his own opinion. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> As to remedies, I prefer gems and only in rare cases mantra, > > > > > >> again an orthodox approach. But there are many ways in which > > > > > >> remedies can be suggested by an astrologer. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Take care, > > > > > >> Chandrashekhar > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> aavesh t wrote: > > > > > >>> Namaskar Chandrashekarji & Lalitji, > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Firstly : > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> *WISHING YOU A VERY HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS DIWALI.** * > > > > > >>> *MAY THE FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS BRING UNBOUNDED PROSPERITY AND > > > > > >>> ABUNDANCE IN THE COMING YEAR TO YOU* > > > > > >>> *AND YOUR FAMILY* > > > > > >>> ** > > > > > >>> _Chandrashekarji_:The scheme that Lalitji has suggested is > > > > > >>> derieved from an ongoing discussion on Maraksthana in > > > > > >>> one of the SJC groups (Zoran Radosavljevic has given this > > > > > >>> scheme in the course of discussions) > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> In my personal experience,I have seen that planets in > > > > > >>> Maraksthanas are very difficult to predict.It is as if > > > > > >>> some significations of these planets are 'dead'. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> However,all the significations do not suffer.I have seen > > > > > >>> that the 'live significations' of the planets suffer most in > > > > > >>> these cases (Sun in 12th :Father does not keep good > > > > > >>> health/lacks confidence etc) > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Regarding the remedies,I stick to the conventional remedies > > > > > >>> viz:Mantra Jaap and Fasting for the Grahas concerned > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Regards, > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> aavesh > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>/* wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Dear Lalit, > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> An interesting post from you. Do you find any reference > > > > > >>> to Mars being bachelor in the classics? The remedies > > > > > >>> appear to be more empirical than chart specific and > > > > > >>> though there are 12 bhavas and one can associate 12 > > > > > >>> adityas with them, why should suddenly Rama and Guru > > > > > >>> appear in their midst? Any particular reason? The bhavas > > > > > >>> also do not seem to have the 12 adityas associated with > > > > > >>> them, so the logic behind the remedies appears to defy > > > > > >>> logic. I am sure the source from where you have culled > > > > > >>> the information must have given the reasoning for the > > > > > >>> allotment of only certain adityas, so it might be better > > > > > >>> for that reasoning to be revealed so that astrologers > > > > > >>> can learn from it and form their own opinion about use > > > > > >>> of the information. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Chandrashekhar. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> litsol wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Maraka concept must be understood before attempting any > > > > > >>>> remedy. In > > > > > >>>> Maraka position, a planet ' feels like dying'; so one > > > > > >>>> must understand > > > > > >>>> what that planet is doing in the chart. Its ' karaktava > > > > > >>>> ' and the houses > > > > > >>>> it owns suffer. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> For example :Ma in 7H, is the ' bachelor ' in the ' > > > > > >>>> kalatra bhava ' or > > > > > >>>> the ' house of love/relationship/spouse' and thus it ' > > > > > >>>> feels > > > > > >>>> uncomfortable ' here. > > > > > >>>> The basis of the ' remedy' is to strengthen the ' > > > > > >>>> overall karaka' of the > > > > > >>>> house, like for 7H its Venus, for 6H is Saturn, 9H is > > > > > >>>> Jupiter, Lagna is > > > > > >>>> Sun. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Ths can be done whereever its best depending upon the > > > > > >>>> chart by gem, > > > > > >>>> worship of Deity of the relevant graha or by the Aditya > > > > > >>>> of that house; > > > > > >>>> as the 12 Adityas of the rasis hold the ' resources ' > > > > > >>>> of the bhavas. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> One must be careful with gems and consder if they could > > > > > >>>> effect other > > > > > >>>> aspects in a chart. > > > > > >>>> I am briefly giving a scheme here but each chart must > > > > > >>>> be looked at > > > > > >>>> before doing any remedies. It is best to request for > > > > > >>>> specific mantras > > > > > >>>> from a Guru as they are sacred or read relevant > > > > > >>>> classics of Jyotish > > > > > >>>> literature. 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