Guest guest Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 Dear Chandrashekar, But in case of Virgo and Gemini it is also lord of Dushthana. Please advise sincerely kamal - Chandrashekhar Vedic Astrologyandhealing Monday, November 12, 2007 5:54 PM Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Maraka and Remedies !! Dear Su,It is not very harmful for Capricorn, Aquarius, Gemini, Virgo, Taurus and Libra as it is either Lagnesh or the trine lord for them.Take care,Chandrashekhar.vreality_au wrote: Dear ChandrashekarjiCould you tell us for which lagnas Shani is not harmful?[My own lagna is Aq. Sadesati was one one of the most brilliant timesof my life tho I was plagued by continous ill health. Nothing major,just little things designed more to distress than to kill. And someprbs such as food allergies which began then Im still suffering today.] thank youRdgsSuVedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Aavesh,> > You are right. But too much is made out of sadesati of Shani as it is > not harmful to all lagnas, a fact missed by many.> > Chandrashekhar.> > aavesh t wrote:> > Dear Chandrashekarji,> > > > Thanks for your valuable tips.I will keep them in mind> > > > > > Some observations:> > > > (i) If the planet placed in Maranakaraksthan is also the > > Yogakaraka,the relative will not suffer as you rightly pointed out.It > > is also better if one looks into the Chara> > karaka signifying that relative and it's strength in the chart which > > will give a more complete picture> > > > (ii)Shani Maharaj is a great leveller (to put it mildly)> > During the periods of Shani Maharaj, when it is a Markesh> > and placed in Dusthanas (without the benificial aspect of Guru) itcan > > bring great suffering on the native.> > > > In my personal experience,I have seen that the only way to go through > > a Shani period, particularly when Shani> > Maharaj is not a Yogakaraka for the chart is to develop> > a sense of humility and detachment (easier said than done)> > > > *Interstingly,Shani Maharaj is kind to people who meditate > > regularly,respect their elders and do charity **with unselfishmotives*> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > aavesh> > > >> >> > */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar/* wrote:> >> > Dear Aavesh,> >> > You are right. However, I think, if a planet is in marana karana> > Sthana and simultaneously the yogakaraka its dasha may not> > necessarily bring harm to the relative connected to that planet,> > unless transit also indicates harm to the bhava representing that> > relative.> >> > Shani is the greatest teacher, amongst the grahas, and teaches one> > humility that is so essential to acquire true knowledge. It is> > only to those with a high does of ego that Shani wants to teach a> > lesson n humility. Ling Purana refers to it as the great planet.> > You could recommend an iron ring in place of Neelam if you think> > Shani is helpful to the person but weak in the chart. You could> > also recommend Neelam if it is not 6th or 8th lord simultaneously> > to its trine ownership.> >> > Surrendering before knowledge and the lord are essential to gain> > knowledge, and I agree with what you have said about surrender> > being necessary to be able to predict with any degree of accuracy.> >> > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> >> >> >> >> > aavesh t wrote:> >> Dear Chandrashekarji,> >> > >> Thanks for your response on my mail.> >> > >> Some observations:> >> > >> (i)Maranakarakasthana placement does not figure in delienating> >> results of the planets 'per se' as you pointed out.> >> > >> *The Dashas of planets in Maranakarakasthanas bring> >> problems (from/to) the 'relatives' represented by these planets> >> in the chart*> >> ** > >> *(2)*Regarding the remedies,I also favour gems.> >> > >> However,in case of Shani Maharaj I very rarely recommend Neelam> >> and advice fasting and visiting Shani Mandir on Saturday> >> (Interestingly,in almost 75 % of the charts that I have read> >> todate, the problems arise when Saade Saati,Ashtama Shani are> >> going on.> >> > >> Shani Maharaj certainly is a great teacher.The only problem is> >> that we refuse to bow down before him and wage a vain battle with> >> our limited resources against the might of Shani Maharaj !!> >> > >> If only we could surrender before the divine will then the work> >> of Jyotishis like us would be far simpler> >> > >> Regards,> >> > >> aavesh> >> > >>> >>> >> */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar/* wrote:> >>> >> Dear Aavesh,> >>> >> A very happy Deepavali to you too.> >>> >> I understand what is happening now. So it is marana karana> >> sthana (I am sure Maraka sthana is a misnomer) of grahas that> >> is being related to 12 Adityas. This is interesting as there> >> are only 9 grahas but 12 Adityas.> >>> >> I agree that the physical bodies related to the grahas may> >> suffer when in Marana karana sthanas, no the other matters> >> related to them.> >> The classics have reference to marana karana sthana,> >> sometimes in the Kalachakra dasha chapter indicating the> >> possibility of their use more in dashas than in> >> interpretation of natal chart. But then every astrologer is> >> free to his own opinion.> >>> >> As to remedies, I prefer gems and only in rare cases mantra,> >> again an orthodox approach. But there are many ways in which> >> remedies can be suggested by an astrologer.> >>> >> Take care,> >> Chandrashekhar> >>> >>> >> aavesh t wrote:> >>> Namaskar Chandrashekarji & Lalitji,> >>> > >>> Firstly :> >>> > >>> *WISHING YOU A VERY HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS DIWALI.** *> >>> *MAY THE FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS BRING UNBOUNDED PROSPERITY AND> >>> ABUNDANCE IN THE COMING YEAR TO YOU*> >>> *AND YOUR FAMILY*> >>> ** > >>> _Chandrashekarji_:The scheme that Lalitji has suggested is> >>> derieved from an ongoing discussion on Maraksthana in> >>> one of the SJC groups (Zoran Radosavljevic has given this> >>> scheme in the course of discussions)> >>> > >>> In my personal experience,I have seen that planets in> >>> Maraksthanas are very difficult to predict.It is as if> >>> some significations of these planets are 'dead'.> >>> > >>> However,all the significations do not suffer.I have seen> >>> that the 'live significations' of the planets suffer most in> >>> these cases (Sun in 12th :Father does not keep good> >>> health/lacks confidence etc)> >>> > >>> Regarding the remedies,I stick to the conventional remedies> >>> viz:Mantra Jaap and Fasting for the Grahas concerned> >>> > >>> Regards,> >>> > >>> aavesh> >>> > >>> > >>>> >>>> >>> */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar/* wrote:> >>>> >>> Dear Lalit,> >>>> >>> An interesting post from you. Do you find any reference> >>> to Mars being bachelor in the classics? The remedies> >>> appear to be more empirical than chart specific and> >>> though there are 12 bhavas and one can associate 12> >>> adityas with them, why should suddenly Rama and Guru> >>> appear in their midst? Any particular reason? The bhavas> >>> also do not seem to have the 12 adityas associated with> >>> them, so the logic behind the remedies appears to defy> >>> logic. I am sure the source from where you have culled> >>> the information must have given the reasoning for the> >>> allotment of only certain adityas, so it might be better> >>> for that reasoning to be revealed so that astrologers> >>> can learn from it and form their own opinion about use> >>> of the information.> >>>> >>> Chandrashekhar.> >>>> >>> litsol wrote:> >>>>> >>>> Maraka concept must be understood before attempting any> >>>> remedy. In> >>>> Maraka position, a planet ' feels like dying'; so one> >>>> must understand> >>>> what that planet is doing in the chart. Its ' karaktava> >>>> ' and the houses> >>>> it owns suffer.> >>>>> >>>> For example :Ma in 7H, is the ' bachelor ' in the '> >>>> kalatra bhava ' or> >>>> the ' house of love/relationship/spouse' and thus it '> >>>> feels> >>>> uncomfortable ' here.> >>>> The basis of the ' remedy' is to strengthen the '> >>>> overall karaka' of the> >>>> house, like for 7H its Venus, for 6H is Saturn, 9H is> >>>> Jupiter, Lagna is> >>>> Sun.> >>>>> >>>> Ths can be done whereever its best depending upon the> >>>> chart by gem,> >>>> worship of Deity of the relevant graha or by the Aditya> >>>> of that house;> >>>> as the 12 Adityas of the rasis hold the ' resources '> >>>> of the bhavas.> >>>>> >>>> One must be careful with gems and consder if they could> >>>> effect other> >>>> aspects in a chart.> >>>> I am briefly giving a scheme here but each chart must> >>>> be looked at> >>>> before doing any remedies. It is best to request for> >>>> specific mantras> >>>> from a Guru as they are sacred or read relevant> >>>> classics of Jyotish> >>>> literature. I will thus not list out any specificmantras.> >>>>> >>>> Here is the scheme, with relevant gem and Aditya/deity> >>>> Sun (12H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna> >>>> Moon(8H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna> >>>> Mars(7H) - Diamond ; Ravi> >>>> Mercury (4H and 7H) - 4H - Pearl ; Mitra, 7H - Diamond> >>>> ;Ravi> >>>> Jupiter(3H) - Coral , Vivasvan> >>>> Venus(6H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna> >>>> Satrun(1H) - Ruby ; Surya/Sri Ram> >>>> Rahu (9H) - Yellow Saphire ; Vishnu/Guru> >>>>> >>>> >>> -------------------------> >>> Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. > >>> <http://in.rd./tagline_maps_1/*http://in.maps.>> >>>> >>> >>> >> -------------------------> >> Chat on a cool, new interface. 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Guest guest Posted November 15, 2007 Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 Dear Kamal, True, yet it is a trine lord and the results would not be as bad as for other lagnas. Chandrashekhar. Vedic Learner wrote: Dear Chandrashekar, But in case of Virgo and Gemini it is also lord of Dushthana. Please advise sincerely kamal ----- Original Message ----- Chandrashekhar To: Vedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Maraka and Remedies !! Dear Su, It is not very harmful for Capricorn, Aquarius, Gemini, Virgo, Taurus and Libra as it is either Lagnesh or the trine lord for them. Take care, Chandrashekhar. vreality_au wrote: Dear Chandrashekarji Could you tell us for which lagnas Shani is not harmful? [My own lagna is Aq. Sadesati was one one of the most brilliant times of my life tho I was plagued by continous ill health. Nothing major, just little things designed more to distress than to kill. And some prbs such as food allergies which began then Im still suffering today.] thank you Rdgs Su Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Aavesh, > > You are right. But too much is made out of sadesati of Shani as it is > not harmful to all lagnas, a fact missed by many. > > Chandrashekhar. > > aavesh t wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekarji, > > > > Thanks for your valuable tips.I will keep them in mind > > > > > > Some observations: > > > > (i) If the planet placed in Maranakaraksthan is also the > > Yogakaraka,the relative will not suffer as you rightly pointed out.It > > is also better if one looks into the Chara > > karaka signifying that relative and it's strength in the chart which > > will give a more complete picture > > > > (ii)Shani Maharaj is a great leveller (to put it mildly) > > During the periods of Shani Maharaj, when it is a Markesh > > and placed in Dusthanas (without the benificial aspect of Guru) it can > > bring great suffering on the native. > > > > In my personal experience,I have seen that the only way to go through > > a Shani period, particularly when Shani > > Maharaj is not a Yogakaraka for the chart is to develop > > a sense of humility and detachment (easier said than done) > > > > *Interstingly,Shani Maharaj is kind to people who meditate > > regularly,respect their elders and do charity **with unselfish motives* > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar/* wrote: > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > You are right. However, I think, if a planet is in marana karana > > Sthana and simultaneously the yogakaraka its dasha may not > > necessarily bring harm to the relative connected to that planet, > > unless transit also indicates harm to the bhava representing that > > relative. > > > > Shani is the greatest teacher, amongst the grahas, and teaches one > > humility that is so essential to acquire true knowledge. It is > > only to those with a high does of ego that Shani wants to teach a > > lesson n humility. Ling Purana refers to it as the great planet. > > You could recommend an iron ring in place of Neelam if you think > > Shani is helpful to the person but weak in the chart. You could > > also recommend Neelam if it is not 6th or 8th lord simultaneously > > to its trine ownership. > > > > Surrendering before knowledge and the lord are essential to gain > > knowledge, and I agree with what you have said about surrender > > being necessary to be able to predict with any degree of accuracy. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > aavesh t wrote: > >> Dear Chandrashekarji, > >> > >> Thanks for your response on my mail. > >> > >> Some observations: > >> > >> (i)Maranakarakasthana placement does not figure in delienating > >> results of the planets 'per se' as you pointed out. > >> > >> *The Dashas of planets in Maranakarakasthanas bring > >> problems (from/to) the 'relatives' represented by these planets > >> in the chart* > >> ** > >> *(2)*Regarding the remedies,I also favour gems. > >> > >> However,in case of Shani Maharaj I very rarely recommend Neelam > >> and advice fasting and visiting Shani Mandir on Saturday > >> (Interestingly,in almost 75 % of the charts that I have read > >> todate, the problems arise when Saade Saati,Ashtama Shani are > >> going on. > >> > >> Shani Maharaj certainly is a great teacher.The only problem is > >> that we refuse to bow down before him and wage a vain battle with > >> our limited resources against the might of Shani Maharaj !! > >> > >> If only we could surrender before the divine will then the work > >> of Jyotishis like us would be far simpler > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> aavesh > >> > >> > >> > >> */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar/* wrote: > >> > >> Dear Aavesh, > >> > >> A very happy Deepavali to you too. > >> > >> I understand what is happening now. So it is marana karana > >> sthana (I am sure Maraka sthana is a misnomer) of grahas that > >> is being related to 12 Adityas. This is interesting as there > >> are only 9 grahas but 12 Adityas. > >> > >> I agree that the physical bodies related to the grahas may > >> suffer when in Marana karana sthanas, no the other matters > >> related to them. > >> The classics have reference to marana karana sthana, > >> sometimes in the Kalachakra dasha chapter indicating the > >> possibility of their use more in dashas than in > >> interpretation of natal chart. But then every astrologer is > >> free to his own opinion. > >> > >> As to remedies, I prefer gems and only in rare cases mantra, > >> again an orthodox approach. But there are many ways in which > >> remedies can be suggested by an astrologer. > >> > >> Take care, > >> Chandrashekhar > >> > >> > >> aavesh t wrote: > >>> Namaskar Chandrashekarji & Lalitji, > >>> > >>> Firstly : > >>> > >>> *WISHING YOU A VERY HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS DIWALI.** * > >>> *MAY THE FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS BRING UNBOUNDED PROSPERITY AND > >>> ABUNDANCE IN THE COMING YEAR TO YOU* > >>> *AND YOUR FAMILY* > >>> ** > >>> _Chandrashekarji_:The scheme that Lalitji has suggested is > >>> derieved from an ongoing discussion on Maraksthana in > >>> one of the SJC groups (Zoran Radosavljevic has given this > >>> scheme in the course of discussions) > >>> > >>> In my personal experience,I have seen that planets in > >>> Maraksthanas are very difficult to predict.It is as if > >>> some significations of these planets are 'dead'. > >>> > >>> However,all the significations do not suffer.I have seen > >>> that the 'live significations' of the planets suffer most in > >>> these cases (Sun in 12th :Father does not keep good > >>> health/lacks confidence etc) > >>> > >>> Regarding the remedies,I stick to the conventional remedies > >>> viz:Mantra Jaap and Fasting for the Grahas concerned > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> aavesh > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar/* wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Lalit, > >>> > >>> An interesting post from you. Do you find any reference > >>> to Mars being bachelor in the classics? The remedies > >>> appear to be more empirical than chart specific and > >>> though there are 12 bhavas and one can associate 12 > >>> adityas with them, why should suddenly Rama and Guru > >>> appear in their midst? Any particular reason? The bhavas > >>> also do not seem to have the 12 adityas associated with > >>> them, so the logic behind the remedies appears to defy > >>> logic. I am sure the source from where you have culled > >>> the information must have given the reasoning for the > >>> allotment of only certain adityas, so it might be better > >>> for that reasoning to be revealed so that astrologers > >>> can learn from it and form their own opinion about use > >>> of the information. > >>> > >>> Chandrashekhar. > >>> > >>> litsol wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Maraka concept must be understood before attempting any > >>>> remedy. In > >>>> Maraka position, a planet ' feels like dying'; so one > >>>> must understand > >>>> what that planet is doing in the chart. Its ' karaktava > >>>> ' and the houses > >>>> it owns suffer. > >>>> > >>>> For example :Ma in 7H, is the ' bachelor ' in the ' > >>>> kalatra bhava ' or > >>>> the ' house of love/relationship/spouse' and thus it ' > >>>> feels > >>>> uncomfortable ' here. > >>>> The basis of the ' remedy' is to strengthen the ' > >>>> overall karaka' of the > >>>> house, like for 7H its Venus, for 6H is Saturn, 9H is > >>>> Jupiter, Lagna is > >>>> Sun. > >>>> > >>>> Ths can be done whereever its best depending upon the > >>>> chart by gem, > >>>> worship of Deity of the relevant graha or by the Aditya > >>>> of that house; > >>>> as the 12 Adityas of the rasis hold the ' resources ' > >>>> of the bhavas. > >>>> > >>>> One must be careful with gems and consder if they could > >>>> effect other > >>>> aspects in a chart. > >>>> I am briefly giving a scheme here but each chart must > >>>> be looked at > >>>> before doing any remedies. It is best to request for > >>>> specific mantras > >>>> from a Guru as they are sacred or read relevant > >>>> classics of Jyotish > >>>> literature. I will thus not list out any specific mantras. > >>>> > >>>> Here is the scheme, with relevant gem and Aditya/deity > >>>> Sun (12H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > >>>> Moon(8H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > >>>> Mars(7H) - Diamond ; Ravi > >>>> Mercury (4H and 7H) - 4H - Pearl ; Mitra, 7H - Diamond > >>>> ;Ravi > >>>> Jupiter(3H) - Coral , Vivasvan > >>>> Venus(6H) - Blue sapphire ; Varuna > >>>> Satrun(1H) - Ruby ; Surya/Sri Ram > >>>> Rahu (9H) - Yellow Saphire ; Vishnu/Guru > >>>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------- > >>> Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. Click here. > >>> <http://in.rd./tagline_maps_1/*http://in.maps.> > >>> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------- > >> Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > >> <http://in.rd./tagline_webmessenger_10/*http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------- > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > <http://in.rd./tagline_mail_2/*http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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