ChandraShekhar Ji - Sat/Venus Dasa in Uttar Kalamrita

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalitji

 

What if Lagna is Makara/Libra/ for which Saturn and Venus are both

functional benefics?

 

Regards

Kiran

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol

wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> In the Uttara Kalamrita by Kalidasa it's said that during the sub-

> period of Venus in the main period of Saturn even a king will become a

> beggar.

>

> I wanted to understand the reasoning behind this ruling, which i saw is

> more or less true. Why it happens.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

[Guest guest]

Lalit,

This is speaking out of turn, as your doubt is addressed to one member.

 

Frankly, the reasoning, I have not come across from anyone in contemporary India. It is easy to crank out any reasoning just as there are for why a retrograde palnet behaves funny. Learner-masters of this land today are very resourceful. I am not detained by the proliferation of perverse reasoning. Well, my only gripe is one ends up devoting some time browsing, only to gain nothing.

 

 

But why I responded to your query is this. My memory serving me right -- I read Kalidasa (U.K.) years ago -- to make pauper of a king, the dasa of one and the sub-dasa of the other is not sufficient condition. The two have to be ill-placed from each other and, I think, ill-palced themselves.

 

 

The point I'd like to make here is, Has anyone done the testing of this U.K. ruling? If you can find someone who has, then let me know. This is a famous heterodoxical ruling, for which U.K. is known as maverick.

 

 

RK

 

 

 

On 20/11/2007, litsol <litsol wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sir,In the Uttara Kalamrita by Kalidasa it's said that during the sub-period of Venus in the main period of Saturn even a king will become a beggar.I wanted to understand the reasoning behind this ruling, which i saw is more or less true. Why it happens.regards,Lalit.

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Das,

 

As u know, i m in my learning phase only, so, whatever, i do find, i

check against the horoscopes as i m afraid of interpolations in the

texts.

 

I will give u one horoscope, he is luckily my one of best friends -

1st April 1975, at 7:10 am in Bhopal.

 

He is Neeraj Mukerjee, MBA and still not stable in his job. he lost

his father in 1990, I dont remember exact month.

 

Luckily, last month he got selected in one of the interviews and

about letter of appointment last week either 13'th Nov or 143'th Nov.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " rk dash "

<arkaydash wrote:

>

> Lalit,

> This is speaking out of turn, as your doubt is addressed to one

member.

>

> Frankly, the reasoning, I have not come across from anyone in

contemporary

> India. It is easy to crank out any reasoning just as there are for

why a

> retrograde palnet behaves funny. Learner-masters of this land today

are very

> resourceful. I am not detained by the proliferation of perverse

reasoning.

> Well, my only gripe is one ends up devoting some time browsing,

only to gain

> nothing.

>

> But why I responded to your query is this. My memory serving me

right -- I

> read Kalidasa (U.K.) years ago -- to make pauper of a king, the

dasa of one

> and the sub-dasa of the other is not sufficient condition. The two

have to

> be ill-placed from each other and, I think, ill-palced themselves.

>

> The point I'd like to make here is, Has anyone done the testing of

this U.K.

> ruling? If you can find someone who has, then let me know. This is

a famous

> heterodoxical ruling, for which U.K. is known as maverick.

>

> RK

>

>

>

> On 20/11/2007, litsol <litsol wrote:

>

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > In the Uttara Kalamrita by Kalidasa it's said that during the sub-

> > period of Venus in the main period of Saturn even a king will

become a

> > beggar.

> >

> > I wanted to understand the reasoning behind this ruling, which i

saw is

> > more or less true. Why it happens.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kiran Ji,

 

Your point is right, Kalidasa has said sth in general, it's upto us

to understand it in right context.

 

I wanted to understand the reasoning behind this.

 

pls. take up this case - He is luckily my one of best friends -

 

1st April 1975, at 7:10 am in Bhopal.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " kiran.rama "

<kiran.rama wrote:

>

> Dear Lalitji

>

> What if Lagna is Makara/Libra/ for which Saturn and Venus are both

> functional benefics?

>

> Regards

> Kiran

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > In the Uttara Kalamrita by Kalidasa it's said that during the sub-

> > period of Venus in the main period of Saturn even a king will

become a

> > beggar.

> >

> > I wanted to understand the reasoning behind this ruling, which i

saw is

> > more or less true. Why it happens.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear RK, I know this true, becoz I have seen this in the horoscope of

my close relatives, one with exalted saturn, the person was

surprisingly layed off. in another case, makara lagna and venus in

thula, the entire persons salary was spend on their relatives, she had

to beg for her survival. but both of them after their Saturn-Venus,

got into much better positions and wealth. I have to say that this

seem to happen only for a few months of the 38-40 months this

saturn-venus period lasts.

 

I heard the reasoning is becoz moolathrikona of venus is thula and

that of saturn is kumbha. For kumbha, thula is the badhakesh. that is

the main reason. (Similarly for venus-owned Vrishaba, Makara is

badakesh). All planets give results based on their house positions.

 

I have seen Guru-chandra periods being bad even in people with

wonderful Gajakesari yoga becoz of moolathrikona-dusthana principle.

But same principle(s) are not holding true for mars-saturn or sun-mars

or venus-sun or mercury-Guru or moon-venus. even though I believe

these periods will be painful. Chandra , do you have any comments/answers?

 

Thanks

Sridhar

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " rk dash "

<arkaydash wrote:

>

> Lalit,

> This is speaking out of turn, as your doubt is addressed to one member.

>

> Frankly, the reasoning, I have not come across from anyone in

contemporary

> India. It is easy to crank out any reasoning just as there are for why a

> retrograde palnet behaves funny. Learner-masters of this land today

are very

> resourceful. I am not detained by the proliferation of perverse

reasoning.

> Well, my only gripe is one ends up devoting some time browsing, only

to gain

> nothing.

>

> But why I responded to your query is this. My memory serving me

right -- I

> read Kalidasa (U.K.) years ago -- to make pauper of a king, the dasa

of one

> and the sub-dasa of the other is not sufficient condition. The two

have to

> be ill-placed from each other and, I think, ill-palced themselves.

>

> The point I'd like to make here is, Has anyone done the testing of

this U.K.

> ruling? If you can find someone who has, then let me know. This is a

famous

> heterodoxical ruling, for which U.K. is known as maverick.

>

> RK

>

>

>

> On 20/11/2007, litsol <litsol wrote:

>

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > In the Uttara Kalamrita by Kalidasa it's said that during the sub-

> > period of Venus in the main period of Saturn even a king will become a

> > beggar.

> >

> > I wanted to understand the reasoning behind this ruling, which i

saw is

> > more or less true. Why it happens.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit,

 

I think you missed the part of both having to be strong for that effect

to come through. If one is weak and another strong, the effect is

extremely good, says Uttara Kalamrita. The logic behind this yoga,

perhaps, is that Saturn gives the results of Venus in own bhukti and

Venus dasha. It is a well known principle of astrology that if a planet

is to give good results in its Mahadasha then its own bhukti within the

said dash gives ill effects and if it is to give bad effects in the

dasha its bhukti in own dasha gives good results. One also has to

remember that these results have also to be viewed in the light of

whether the said planets are functional malefics or benefics.

 

By the way could you give the charts where the dictum did come true?

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

litsol wrote:

 

 

Dear Sir,

 

In the Uttara Kalamrita by Kalidasa it's said that during the sub-

period of Venus in the main period of Saturn even a king will become a

beggar.

 

I wanted to understand the reasoning behind this ruling, which i saw is

 

more or less true. Why it happens.

 

regards,

Lalit.

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit,

 

Are you certain of your data and the results? This chart indicates

beginning of Venus dasha from 10.8.1996 and Saturn Bhukti operates from

4.4.2009. Since that is yet to arrive how did you reach the conclusion

that this chart and events related to it confirms what is said in

Uttara Kalamrita? More over Venus occupies enemy rasi, besides being

afflicted by Rahu in navamsha, and so does not fulfill the parameter

of both Saturn and Venus having to be strong.

 

Take care,

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

litsol wrote:

 

 

Dear Mr. Das,

 

As u know, i m in my learning phase only, so, whatever, i do find, i

check against the horoscopes as i m afraid of interpolations in the

texts.

 

I will give u one horoscope, he is luckily my one of best friends -

1st April 1975, at 7:10 am in Bhopal.

 

He is Neeraj Mukerjee, MBA and still not stable in his job. he lost

his father in 1990, I dont remember exact month.

 

Luckily, last month he got selected in one of the interviews and

about letter of appointment last week either 13'th Nov or 143'th Nov.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"rk dash"

<arkaydash wrote:

>

> Lalit,

> This is speaking out of turn, as your doubt is addressed to one

member.

>

> Frankly, the reasoning, I have not come across from anyone in

contemporary

> India. It is easy to crank out any reasoning just as there are for

 

why a

> retrograde palnet behaves funny. Learner-masters of this land

today

are very

> resourceful. I am not detained by the proliferation of perverse

reasoning.

> Well, my only gripe is one ends up devoting some time browsing,

only to gain

> nothing.

>

> But why I responded to your query is this. My memory serving me

right -- I

> read Kalidasa (U.K.) years ago -- to make pauper of a king, the

dasa of one

> and the sub-dasa of the other is not sufficient condition. The two

 

have to

> be ill-placed from each other and, I think, ill-palced themselves.

>

> The point I'd like to make here is, Has anyone done the testing of

 

this U.K.

> ruling? If you can find someone who has, then let me know. This is

 

a famous

> heterodoxical ruling, for which U.K. is known as maverick.

>

> RK

>

>

>

> On 20/11/2007, litsol <litsol wrote:

>

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > In the Uttara Kalamrita by Kalidasa it's said that during the

sub-

> > period of Venus in the main period of Saturn even a king will

 

become a

> > beggar.

> >

> > I wanted to understand the reasoning behind this ruling,

which i

saw is

> > more or less true. Why it happens.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sridhar,

 

I have already posted my logic in an earlier post, which must have

reached the group by now. By the Way both of the grahas have to be

strong for the ill effect to come through. It is also good to remember

that much will depend on the functional nature of the planets.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

appulali wrote:

 

 

Dear RK, I know this true, becoz I have seen this in the horoscope

of

my close relatives, one with exalted saturn, the person was

surprisingly layed off. in another case, makara lagna and venus in

thula, the entire persons salary was spend on their relatives, she had

to beg for her survival. but both of them after their Saturn-Venus,

got into much better positions and wealth. I have to say that this

seem to happen only for a few months of the 38-40 months this

saturn-venus period lasts.

 

I heard the reasoning is becoz moolathrikona of venus is thula and

that of saturn is kumbha. For kumbha, thula is the badhakesh. that is

the main reason. (Similarly for venus-owned Vrishaba, Makara is

badakesh). All planets give results based on their house positions.

 

I have seen Guru-chandra periods being bad even in people with

wonderful Gajakesari yoga becoz of moolathrikona-dusthana

principle.

But same principle(s) are not holding true for mars-saturn or sun-mars

or venus-sun or mercury-Guru or moon-venus. even though I believe

these periods will be painful. Chandra , do you have any

comments/answers?

 

Thanks

Sridhar

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"rk dash"

<arkaydash wrote:

>

> Lalit,

> This is speaking out of turn, as your doubt is addressed to one

member.

>

> Frankly, the reasoning, I have not come across from anyone in

contemporary

> India. It is easy to crank out any reasoning just as there are for

why a

> retrograde palnet behaves funny. Learner-masters of this land today

are very

> resourceful. I am not detained by the proliferation of perverse

reasoning.

> Well, my only gripe is one ends up devoting some time browsing,

only

to gain

> nothing.

>

> But why I responded to your query is this. My memory serving me

right -- I

> read Kalidasa (U.K.) years ago -- to make pauper of a king, the

dasa

of one

> and the sub-dasa of the other is not sufficient condition. The two

have to

> be ill-placed from each other and, I think, ill-palced themselves.

>

> The point I'd like to make here is, Has anyone done the testing of

this U.K.

> ruling? If you can find someone who has, then let me know. This is

a

famous

> heterodoxical ruling, for which U.K. is known as maverick.

>

> RK

>

>

>

> On 20/11/2007, litsol <litsol wrote:

>

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > In the Uttara Kalamrita by Kalidasa it's said that during the

sub-

> > period of Venus in the main period of Saturn even a king will

become a

> > beggar.

> >

> > I wanted to understand the reasoning behind this ruling,

which i

saw is

> > more or less true. Why it happens.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry,

 

I happen to post wrong horoscope.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> Are you certain of your data and the results? This chart indicates

> beginning of Venus dasha from 10.8.1996 and Saturn Bhukti operates

from

> 4.4.2009. Since that is yet to arrive how did you reach the

conclusion

> that this chart and events related to it confirms what is said in

Uttara

> Kalamrita? More over Venus occupies enemy rasi, besides being

afflicted

> by Rahu in navamsha, and so does not fulfill the parameter of both

> Saturn and Venus having to be strong.

>

> Take care,

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

> litsol wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Das,

> >

> > As u know, i m in my learning phase only, so, whatever, i do

find, i

> > check against the horoscopes as i m afraid of interpolations in

the

> > texts.

> >

> > I will give u one horoscope, he is luckily my one of best

friends -

> > 1st April 1975, at 7:10 am in Bhopal.

> >

> > He is Neeraj Mukerjee, MBA and still not stable in his job. he

lost

> > his father in 1990, I dont remember exact month.

> >

> > Luckily, last month he got selected in one of the interviews and

> > about letter of appointment last week either 13'th Nov or 143'th

Nov.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, " rk dash "

> > <arkaydash@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Lalit,

> > > This is speaking out of turn, as your doubt is addressed to one

> > member.

> > >

> > > Frankly, the reasoning, I have not come across from anyone in

> > contemporary

> > > India. It is easy to crank out any reasoning just as there are

for

> > why a

> > > retrograde palnet behaves funny. Learner-masters of this land

today

> > are very

> > > resourceful. I am not detained by the proliferation of perverse

> > reasoning.

> > > Well, my only gripe is one ends up devoting some time browsing,

> > only to gain

> > > nothing.

> > >

> > > But why I responded to your query is this. My memory serving me

> > right -- I

> > > read Kalidasa (U.K.) years ago -- to make pauper of a king, the

> > dasa of one

> > > and the sub-dasa of the other is not sufficient condition. The

two

> > have to

> > > be ill-placed from each other and, I think, ill-palced

themselves.

> > >

> > > The point I'd like to make here is, Has anyone done the testing

of

> > this U.K.

> > > ruling? If you can find someone who has, then let me know. This

is

> > a famous

> > > heterodoxical ruling, for which U.K. is known as maverick.

> > >

> > > RK

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 20/11/2007, litsol <litsol@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > In the Uttara Kalamrita by Kalidasa it's said that during the

sub-

> > > > period of Venus in the main period of Saturn even a king will

> > become a

> > > > beggar.

> > > >

> > > > I wanted to understand the reasoning behind this ruling,

which i

> > saw is

> > > > more or less true. Why it happens.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

 

Thanx for the posts, I m learning a lot from ur posts.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " appulali "

<appulali wrote:

>

> Dear RK, I know this true, becoz I have seen this in the horoscope

of

> my close relatives, one with exalted saturn, the person was

> surprisingly layed off. in another case, makara lagna and venus in

> thula, the entire persons salary was spend on their relatives, she

had

> to beg for her survival. but both of them after their Saturn-Venus,

> got into much better positions and wealth. I have to say that this

> seem to happen only for a few months of the 38-40 months this

> saturn-venus period lasts.

>

> I heard the reasoning is becoz moolathrikona of venus is thula and

> that of saturn is kumbha. For kumbha, thula is the badhakesh. that

is

> the main reason. (Similarly for venus-owned Vrishaba, Makara is

> badakesh). All planets give results based on their house positions.

>

> I have seen Guru-chandra periods being bad even in people with

> wonderful Gajakesari yoga becoz of moolathrikona-dusthana principle.

> But same principle(s) are not holding true for mars-saturn or sun-

mars

> or venus-sun or mercury-Guru or moon-venus. even though I believe

> these periods will be painful. Chandra , do you have any

comments/answers?

>

> Thanks

> Sridhar

>

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " rk dash "

> <arkaydash@> wrote:

> >

> > Lalit,

> > This is speaking out of turn, as your doubt is addressed to one

member.

> >

> > Frankly, the reasoning, I have not come across from anyone in

> contemporary

> > India. It is easy to crank out any reasoning just as there are

for why a

> > retrograde palnet behaves funny. Learner-masters of this land

today

> are very

> > resourceful. I am not detained by the proliferation of perverse

> reasoning.

> > Well, my only gripe is one ends up devoting some time browsing,

only

> to gain

> > nothing.

> >

> > But why I responded to your query is this. My memory serving me

> right -- I

> > read Kalidasa (U.K.) years ago -- to make pauper of a king, the

dasa

> of one

> > and the sub-dasa of the other is not sufficient condition. The two

> have to

> > be ill-placed from each other and, I think, ill-palced themselves.

> >

> > The point I'd like to make here is, Has anyone done the testing of

> this U.K.

> > ruling? If you can find someone who has, then let me know. This

is a

> famous

> > heterodoxical ruling, for which U.K. is known as maverick.

> >

> > RK

> >

> >

> >

> > On 20/11/2007, litsol <litsol@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > In the Uttara Kalamrita by Kalidasa it's said that during the

sub-

> > > period of Venus in the main period of Saturn even a king will

become a

> > > beggar.

> > >

> > > I wanted to understand the reasoning behind this ruling, which i

> saw is

> > > more or less true. Why it happens.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>