Mr Sanat Kumar jain

December 5, 2007

hare ramakrishna.

dear kamal ji .

I AM WRITING THIS MAIL SINCE U CALLED HIM A PERSON KNOWING VEDIC ASTROLOGY

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This man is saying he has spent 35 yeaars in learning astrology and he says parashara who is father of vedavyasa has been living in bc200 and he says some purans which is meant for common people as an science book .

And he claims a man of scientific quest and asking me to go and read and explain tru this astro forum ,and same breath says i cannot write my 350 page book ,where as it s my duty to go and collect 1 billion shloka and present b4 him who wrote some rubbish .Even the book druva nadi itself is 46 volumes and 250000 verses ,so is the case with many available books and then doing translation and showing him all i hav do it alone to proov what ??

he says if astro is a science and we need to change ,what i should change my self, which is used in calculation of dasas or transits or ashtavarga system or the changing patterns in the universe or new evolving planets ?? which is unneccessary in our predictive astrology ?

yes when ever I am learning new technics i know that i need still more to study >unless and until i fully mastered a system how i know what to change and what not .(means all shokas which is avialable itself )

He is equating astro with science or modern things which is having multibillion dollar funds and asking poor me to go and collect all the books lying many libraries and royal palaces and personal collections to proove him >and says we r frauds who is answering for free last 4 years since i got a net connection tru 100s of astro forums and no financial support from beneficiaries and any other agencies .

He is aware that what he is talking and he can produce some charts and without accuracy of birth time atleast u know the bhoothodaya will change and he will not blve his grand father s grand father as he and modern man resembles same as no evolution.means in shorter words he is not human now itself or he blvs he originated from some animals .

since humans introduction to the word basics any human did it changed ,any human were flying b4 and now walking ,they show some biological texts and say this man was like that and that man were like that then y so many different looking species in humans still on earth .

again how they r similar in all other respects ,did any human race is producing kids without pregnancy or some human race is making kids by laying eggs?? How may be an eksimo man s blood can be matched to my blood?

let him say it and he is asking 4 questions for predicting any charts ,which atleast 3 questions in each chart i can predict with accuracy provided he can giv gaurantee of birth time ,but it will not be free since its a challenge .But u know phychology or treatment of many diseases and they now will say its science and we r evolving ,means 100 years back (Like cancer which may be-0% cure that time )means he should admit they were looting us and making lot of money and now has massiv funds ??Is it not ?? i hav solid proofs of modern medicine what they hav done with some king henry or i forget.

did any phychologist can say 100 person how he will react to same situation with 100% accuracy ,atleast 60%. then y he call its science ,so is the treat ment for cancer .But all of them can get high status and all human testing of medicine s and subsequent killing and billions of dollars worth funds and high salary and respect for doctors >here in india an astrologer wont even get a personal loan of 25000/-if he say he is astrologer,succesful or not

so he knows answers for what he asking and he is asking as i read how rishis says sun dasa is 6 years and what is the proof .When u r boarding a bus will u ask proof and gaurantee for safe arrival or ur experience will say that generaly 90 or 99% of buses are taking u to same destination ,or u keep own argueing in busstop itself .He wanted to re invent the wheel my us .

He wanted to call our ancients as primitiv and without scientific basis and the sastras born is differrent part of india we all got from greeks and grrek was flooding with astrology granthas ,if some one knows history the same ppl were all the way different from old greeks ,so is the egyptians and No one sistem is correct that was the basis of 100s of systems which were in use .

In kerala the martial arts we got min 3 different sistems ,in karate they got now 200 diffent styles based on 5 animals ,like serpent ,monkey ,tiger ,eagle like that ,is it shows kungfu is wrong that is why so many sistems .

When i was learning the martial arts or even one 2.3 of mathematics i was not arguing with any gurus to proov it first ,i was learning it and then i was applying in my day to life and no guru in kalari (martial art of kerala ) will teach the deadliest marma nervous points unless u mastered full weaponry and all other technics which needs physical exersion ,where as this marma technic any tom ,dick and harry ,if he know can use it and learning is simple .As there is only 108 main points in body .But after u used it the real test is coming ,how to help the person who is suffering from this attack and their u need another 4 years in medicine and other bodys secrets .

he is not giving the excuse which he is giving to the less devlped science to ancient indian systems which is lost tru natural calmities,wars or aggressions and even interpolations ,as he knows very well that may be some ppl wont discuss some secrets in public or some logic not predictions is lost .

he not giving enough due credit to aryabhatta ( as his works are available and he himself was saying i was not presenting any new theorey ) and scientific thought of indians, were as all his neo modern frnds and cousin were living like nomads or forest dwelles even those days .

So he knows what he talking ,but we must understand the frustration in him who misguided by some foolish gurus or he was trying to study it tru some books .

Now see ambanies or any other business ppl or highly paid management professionals who makes even 500K dollars per annuam and abov and can u show atleat one astrologer who is making this income from his own profession all over the world after this amount of cheating ?

One indian american engineer i was explaining and teaching some astro calculations and he run away as he said its not digestable to him .See it was not predictions simple calculations ,which is some secret way to see the behaviour of planets in purticular dasas .

So dont call him vedicastrologer OR KNOWER OF IT ,as its a noble status .And its the highest intellectual profession in world tho less paid or a thankless profession and i feel ashmed of my self that i answered who was pretending to sleep and dont want to know anything .A person calling himself a man with sceintic thoughts .

i hope there is no chandala yogas in his own chart ,if he can post his chart ,it will be a good exercise which i can proov for why he has this habbits .Insulting rishis,brahmanas and gurus .And also poor astrologers who r trying to help some needy persons.

regds sunil nair .

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner" <sightsolutions wrote:>> Dear All> > I do not why are we all wasting time to explain Mr Jain. He has been posting his philosophy on various sites. I am sure he know about Vedic astrology more than many learners on the various forum.> > The best thing will be not to reply to his post> > Hare Rama Krsna> > KAMAL>

December 6, 2007

Hare ramakrishna.

dear kamal ji .

No i was just pointing out the difference in meaning of words though i know that u dont use it intentionly .

(from this part the mail is for general members and students)

Now i will discuss the basics behind the debilation and exaltation of planets .He asked so many things ,i was just trying explaining one point in his challenge .what was basis rishis allocated ucha and neecha rasis ,tho i never bother to go to his site or blog .If he want he can visit me and consult or challenge according to conditions put by me .I am not a fool to ask a doctor to do a surgery in filthy fish market .

Though i promised to my various gurus not discuss many things in public to get name and fame or show our smartness,and also i got this knowledge from too mcuh exersions and hard work .

so i wanted to say how rishis taken exaltation and debilation signs .

U know the karakatwa given to planets .(celestial cabinet only )

sun----------king

moon --queen

mars--senapathi (commander of army )

mercury -student or rajakuamar (prince)

jup is guru or raj gur and minister

venus --ladies working in palaces and various places in short beautiful ladies also .

sat is servant

Now let us see the exaltation rasi of sun .Its aries ,the rasi of mars .the senapathi ,his moola trikon rasi also ,so sun the king is exalted there .where as sun in venus rasi the (moolatrikon )libra ,is a beautiful ladies house ,do u think a king will go there .What he will do he will call a lady in case he needs also .So if king is ther in such house ,its as if de gradation for him and status .

U can see all planets like this .

Also so many alligaries in purana also expalin various astro technics .

without knowing and thinking at par with rishis mind nothing can be learned or applied .

He is not asking to prove the ayurveda also in vedas ,luckily no greeks has it ,as our medicinal plants cannot be found there .

other knowledge got exported and come back in different forms .And over years so many authentic books also destroyed .As like i dont know the name of my grandfathers great grand father .

But same knowledge is still available ,what we loss is originals .

Now we know modern people uses AD and BC for timing ,

so the 0 year is taken for calculation purpose ,as we needs a bindu to start and begin ,so can we say that modern man dont know the time is eternal .

same way calculation purpose for common people rishis take many things .

And he knows what he saying is in wrong .And its like some one asking -do u still beat ur father ?if u answer no ,the meaning is b4 u were doing it ,and no way u can answer it .

if he says 5th century aryabhatta (i asked him to read him --because he was discussing astronomy ) is astronomer ,did aryabhatta says that earth was standing still and sun was rotating earth .And that time what was NASA s knowledge or were was even other western ppl in modern context .

so he knows what is his points and with same english corrupted and twisted meaning we cannot answer it .

gola means circle ,so if u say earth is discussed by aryabhatta as circular or if we said kaala chakra for times progress he will run around with purticular words and its meaning .

all the best to all of u in ur studies .

sunil nair .

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner" <sightsolutions wrote:>> Dear Sunil jee> > My apologies if I offended you . I meant he may have read more than some of us beginners. he was wasting every bodies time. There are lot of things we all may not believe but do not keep going and arguing with people.> > Let us close this topic> > Hare Rama Krsna> > thanks> > sincerely> > kamal> - > sunil nair > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Wednesday, December 05, 2007 12:47 AM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Mr Sanat Kumar jain> > > > > > hare ramakrishna.> > dear kamal ji .> > > > I AM WRITING THIS MAIL SINCE U CALLED HIM A PERSON KNOWING VEDIC ASTROLOGY> > ========================================> > This man is saying he has spent 35 yeaars in learning astrology and he says parashara who is father of vedavyasa has been living in bc200 and he says some purans which is meant for common people as an science book .> > > > And he claims a man of scientific quest and asking me to go and read and explain tru this astro forum ,and same breath says i cannot write my 350 page book ,where as it s my duty to go and collect 1 billion shloka and present b4 him who wrote some rubbish .Even the book druva nadi itself is 46 volumes and 250000 verses ,so is the case with many available books and then doing translation and showing him all i hav do it alone to proov what ??> > > > he says if astro is a science and we need to change ,what i should change my self, which is used in calculation of dasas or transits or ashtavarga system or the changing patterns in the universe or new evolving planets ?? which is unneccessary in our predictive astrology ?> > > > yes when ever I am learning new technics i know that i need still more to study >unless and until i fully mastered a system how i know what to change and what not .(means all shokas which is avialable itself ) > > > > He is equating astro with science or modern things which is having multibillion dollar funds and asking poor me to go and collect all the books lying many libraries and royal palaces and personal collections to proove him >and says we r frauds who is answering for free last 4 years since i got a net connection tru 100s of astro forums and no financial support from beneficiaries and any other agencies .> > > > He is aware that what he is talking and he can produce some charts and without accuracy of birth time atleast u know the bhoothodaya will change and he will not blve his grand father s grand father as he and modern man resembles same as no evolution.means in shorter words he is not human now itself or he blvs he originated from some animals .> > > > since humans introduction to the word basics any human did it changed ,any human were flying b4 and now walking ,they show some biological texts and say this man was like that and that man were like that then y so many different looking species in humans still on earth .> > > > again how they r similar in all other respects ,did any human race is producing kids without pregnancy or some human race is making kids by laying eggs?? How may be an eksimo man s blood can be matched to my blood?> > > > let him say it and he is asking 4 questions for predicting any charts ,which atleast 3 questions in each chart i can predict with accuracy provided he can giv gaurantee of birth time ,but it will not be free since its a challenge .But u know phychology or treatment of many diseases and they now will say its science and we r evolving ,means 100 years back (Like cancer which may be-0% cure that time )means he should admit they were looting us and making lot of money and now has massiv funds ??Is it not ?? i hav solid proofs of modern medicine what they hav done with some king henry or i forget.> > > > did any phychologist can say 100 person how he will react to same situation with 100% accuracy ,atleast 60%. then y he call its science ,so is the treat ment for cancer .But all of them can get high status and all human testing of medicine s and subsequent killing and billions of dollars worth funds and high salary and respect for doctors >here in india an astrologer wont even get a personal loan of 25000/-if he say he is astrologer,succesful or not > > > > so he knows answers for what he asking and he is asking as i read how rishis says sun dasa is 6 years and what is the proof .When u r boarding a bus will u ask proof and gaurantee for safe arrival or ur experience will say that generaly 90 or 99% of buses are taking u to same destination ,or u keep own argueing in busstop itself .He wanted to re invent the wheel my us .> > > > He wanted to call our ancients as primitiv and without scientific basis and the sastras born is differrent part of india we all got from greeks and grrek was flooding with astrology granthas ,if some one knows history the same ppl were all the way different from old greeks ,so is the egyptians and No one sistem is correct that was the basis of 100s of systems which were in use .> > In kerala the martial arts we got min 3 different sistems ,in karate they got now 200 diffent styles based on 5 animals ,like serpent ,monkey ,tiger ,eagle like that ,is it shows kungfu is wrong that is why so many sistems .> > > > When i was learning the martial arts or even one 2.3 of mathematics i was not arguing with any gurus to proov it first ,i was learning it and then i was applying in my day to life and no guru in kalari (martial art of kerala ) will teach the deadliest marma nervous points unless u mastered full weaponry and all other technics which needs physical exersion ,where as this marma technic any tom ,dick and harry ,if he know can use it and learning is simple .As there is only 108 main points in body .But after u used it the real test is coming ,how to help the person who is suffering from this attack and their u need another 4 years in medicine and other bodys secrets .> > > > he is not giving the excuse which he is giving to the less devlped science to ancient indian systems which is lost tru natural calmities,wars or aggressions and even interpolations ,as he knows very well that may be some ppl wont discuss some secrets in public or some logic not predictions is lost .> > he not giving enough due credit to aryabhatta ( as his works are available and he himself was saying i was not presenting any new theorey ) and scientific thought of indians, were as all his neo modern frnds and cousin were living like nomads or forest dwelles even those days .> > > > So he knows what he talking ,but we must understand the frustration in him who misguided by some foolish gurus or he was trying to study it tru some books .> > Now see ambanies or any other business ppl or highly paid management professionals who makes even 500K dollars per annuam and abov and can u show atleat one astrologer who is making this income from his own profession all over the world after this amount of cheating ? > > One indian american engineer i was explaining and teaching some astro calculations and he run away as he said its not digestable to him .See it was not predictions simple calculations ,which is some secret way to see the behaviour of planets in purticular dasas .> > > > So dont call him vedicastrologer OR KNOWER OF IT ,as its a noble status .And its the highest intellectual profession in world tho less paid or a thankless profession and i feel ashmed of my self that i answered who was pretending to sleep and dont want to know anything .A person calling himself a man with sceintic thoughts .> > i hope there is no chandala yogas in his own chart ,if he can post his chart ,it will be a good exercise which i can proov for why he has this habbits .Insulting rishis,brahmanas and gurus .And also poor astrologers who r trying to help some needy persons.> > > > regds sunil nair .> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Vedic Learner" sightsolutions@ wrote:> >> > Dear All> > > > I do not why are we all wasting time to explain Mr Jain. He has been posting his philosophy on various sites. I am sure he know about Vedic astrology more than many learners on the various forum.> > > > The best thing will be not to reply to his post> > > > Hare Rama Krsna> > > > KAMAL> >>