Bhavat Bhavam - Free for You

December 7, 2007

Dear Saaji, A very balanced reply. This reply proves you are a good Sishya of Chandrashekarji !! I will add my points on this mail tommorow (I have hurt my right toe and in big pain right now) Regards, aavesh Saaji Bhaskaran <saajik wrote: Dear VK,I dont believe only Parasara contributed to astrology. Since childhood I was taught brihat jaataka, so I have a leaning to Varahamihira. He says in his brihat samhita that jyotisha is an ocean and except rishis no one can * even think of * crossing this ocean. Parashara is only one of the 18 aachaaryaas of jyotisha. Its true that Parashara is the acharya of Jyotisha in Kali yuga. Varahamihira says in brihat jataka 7th chapter 1st shloka, in krita yuga - maya, treta - yavana, dvaapara - maNintha and in kali its parashara who has importance. As I wrote, jyotisha was formed

with contributions of a lot of acharyas and its not parashara himself who brought it.The astrologers in Kerala do not learn BPHS, they consider brihat jataka and prashna marga as the basic texts. I agree with you about people in groups do not try to polish basics. I always try to, infact the book which I cherish most, a translation of brihat jataka has very extensively gone in basics. They are the foundations so I try to read them if I have time.Some of my recent posts you can read here:/message/19352/message/19351/message/19399/message/19574Personally, I dont think these famous people who write in groups that if you do not learn BPHS you cannot predict. And I also do not believe that Parashara only brought Jyotisha or all are

quoting Parashara only. From Varhamihira's Brihat Jataka I couldn't find that he read BPHS. Anyways I am always open, if I am wrong I change my views but that only if concrete evidence is given. I do not change / make views just because some body says so.Best regards,Saaji BhaskaranVedic Astrologyandhealing , "vedic_astrology_learner" wrote:>> > Saaji Bhaskaran,> > First of all you must understand that only Parashara contributed to> Jyotish. Others' contributed only like modern writers. Suppose you> take Jaimini Rishi. It is called "Jaimini Updesh". A updesh is never> said to be the contribution of that writer. Updesh means secondary or> supplementry to and secondary to whom ? off course to Parshara. If you> study complete BPHS in detail, you will find that ninety percent of> writers

have requoted Parashara in simple language. There is no new> principle involved. > > I have seen a major problem in astro groups i.e. people present here> want to learn only prediction or predictive astrology and that too> without learning basic concepts of vedic astrology. > > All the tall buildings have a very strong foundation so if you want to> be a good astrologer, you must create a concrete foundation otherwise> your building of knowledge will collapse very soon. Consequently> another critic of Bhartiya jyoiths is born on earth.> > So commenting of ability of Parashara shows such a critic is already> born of set to take birth.> > VK> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Saaji Bhaskaran"> wrote:> >> > Namaste Chandrashekhar ji & Lalit,> > > >

I very much liked this analogy of elephant and blind men...> > > > I read this:> > > > jyotishamaagama shastram vipratipattou na yogyamasamaakam> > svayameva vikalpayitum kinthu bahuunaam matam vakshey> > > > the correct meaning yourself can explain As i understood it roughly > > means, jyotisha formed with contributions from many people, different > > opinions are said, and you select yourself. (hope this is correct)> > > > And as time progress everything should modify...What if we predict > > owning horce or elephant as written in shastras? We have to modify it > > to two wheeler and four wheeler or like...> > > > Chandrashekhar ji, my BPHS reached here...I would like to learn > > Kalachakra dasa and you promised to teach me this... I would learn > > and apply this dasa and share it

in this group...> > > > Best regards,> > > > Saaji Bhaskaran> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > There is no doubt that sages were human beings. At the same time we > > must > > > not forget that they devised the science. So claiming that we > > understood > > > something in that science which the sages who devised it did not > > > understand, is a bit too far fetched.> > > > > > Again it may not be out of place to say that knowledge is like the > > > proverbial elephant and the seekers are like the seven blind men > > who see > > > the elephant in different shapes. All the shapes are parts of the

> > > elephant but only together they make the entire elephant. Till such > > time > > > that all that is collated everybody tries to find his own truth and > > > thinks that others have not understood the truth.> > > > > > I do not understand the reference to Shukracharya favoring Daityas. > > A > > > guru has to teach to the seeker and that was the duty of > > Shukracharya, > > > as teaching the Devas was the duty of Brihaspati.> > > > > > I would see growth in the 8th, 10th, 12th and 4th house, > > respectively, > > > in that case.> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > litsol wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sir,> > > >> > > > Sages are after all human being only, they may also miss

things> > > > otherise how differences and exceptions are found in various> > > > classics, this is how i think. Sukracharya favored daityas all > > life.> > > >> > > > Pls. guide us in our discussion on wealth prospects, what u saw if> > > > Jupitor/venus is debilitated in 2nd / 4'th / 6'th / 10'th house.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > , > > Chandrashekhar> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > Astrology is a predictive

science and in predictive sciences > > there> > > > is> > > > > bound to be difference of opinion. I doubt whether astrology was> > > > not> > > > > clear to Parashara of Varaha Mihira as is being claimed by you. > > May> > > > I> > > > > ask what led you to this conclusion?> > > > >> > > > > If something is not clear to some people does it mean that it is> > > > not> > > > > clear to the entire nation? If that is the premise, then none of> > > > the> > > > > shastras across the world are worth study as they may not be > > clear> > > > to> > > > > some of the people from the nations in which they originated.> > > > >> > > > >

Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > >> > > > > > Thousands and thousands years of astrology have been passed, > > and> > > > even> > > > > > elementary things are not fixed, if i look at the volume of > > ego> > > > > > stored within icons, i m not able even to laugh at their> > > > greatness.> > > > > >> > > > > > In astrology every second person is a mahaguru,an avtaar of > > either> > > > > > venus or jupitor... but if u ask, a simple thing other than> > > > putting> > > > > > references from various books, u wont get anything.> > > > > >> >

> > > > What is learnt in these thousands years....?> > > > > >> > > > > > What was not clear to Parashara or Varahmihira .. is not clear> > > > even> > > > > > today. this is the progress that astrology has done, This > > shows> > > > > > indian's attitude.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > , aavesh t> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hello Lalit,> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > Kya Baat hai Bhaisahab.Aap kafi Naraaz lag rahe hain ??> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhavat Bhavam is a very important concept in Jyotish .It > > should> > > > > > be applied after understanding it fully (very few people do> > > > > > understand this in entirety)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If applied without proper understanding,it becomes a > > farce !!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > aavesh> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > > > I have seen, those who never checks astrology against > > reality> > >

> > > rely> > > > > > > heavily on Bhavat Bhavam to justify their stand.. applying> > > > stupid> > > > > > logic> > > > > > > to reveal stupid answers as there are only 12 houses in a > > chart,> > > > > > so,> > > > > > > every house has 12 bhavat bhavam combinations at least,> > > > therefore> > > > > > they> > > > > > > are free to find any stupidity.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > When we will begin making concepts on the basis of hard core> > > > facts.> > > > > > If> > > > > > > younger siblings are 3'rd then 3rd, spouse is 7'th, then > > 7'th,> > > > > > father> > > > > > >

is 9'th then 9'th, if 10'th, then 10'th, let's check at > > least> > > > 100> > > > > > > horoscopes to ascertain which house is a karaka for what.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

December 7, 2007

Respected Sir,

May i expect your wishes on my below mail.

Sincerely yours,

----- Forwarded Message ----chandra prakash <cpgangotriVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Wednesday, 5 December, 2007 5:05:57 PMRe: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Bhavat Bhavam - Free for You

Respected Astrologer Sir,

I am also in search of some books for learning astrology (from the very grass root), for just as hobby.

can you suggest some meaningful book on subject, specially in hindi (not so strong in english - my weakness).

Sincerely yours,

aavesh t <aavesh_sVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Wednesday, 5 December, 2007 4:57:59 PM[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Bhavat Bhavam - Free for You

Dear Lalit,

I can understand your frustration. It is certainly cumbersome for a beginner in Jyotish to make sense in the current mess (that is prevailing in the Jyotish scene in India)

I will suggest a couple of ways to make your study more meaningful

(i)Join a course of the ICAS in your area.This will give you the opportunity to study Jyotish under the guidance of experienced Jyotishis (You can also interact with the students in the course)

(2)Purchase the following books:

(i)Light on Life -by Hart De Fuow and Robert Svoboda

(ii)Ancient Hindu Astrology for the Modern Western Astrologer-- by James Braha

The second book is the best book in the world for learning Jyotish (in my opinion).It was published by Motilal Banarsidass. You may enquire at Connaught Place and find some old edition

perhaps (else you can order at brahas.com)

The above steps will put you on a clear path.

Last by not the least,Jyotish study is a Sadhana (if done with the right approach)

Any Sadhana requires immense sacrifice,patience and dedication

I have been doing Jyotish for the last 11 years (and counting).The results have been worth the effort

Do not worry,you have the potential just keep at it

Regards,

aavesh

litsol <litsol > wrote:

Dear Sir,Thousands and thousands years of astrology have been passed, and even elementary things are not fixed, if i look at the volume of ego stored within icons, i m not able even to laugh at their greatness.In astrology every second person is a mahaguru,an avtaar of either venus or jupitor... but if u ask, a simple thing other than putting references from various books, u wont get anything.What is learnt in these thousands years....? What was not clear to Parashara or Varahmihira .. is not clear even today. this is the progress that astrology has done, This shows indian's attitude.regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, aavesh t wrote:>> Hello Lalit,> > Kya Baat hai Bhaisahab.Aap kafi Naraaz lag rahe hain ??> > Bhavat Bhavam is

a very important concept in Jyotish .It should be applied after understanding it fully (very few people do understand this in entirety)> > If applied without proper understanding, it becomes a farce !!> > Regards,> > aavesh> > > litsol wrote:> I have seen, those who never checks astrology against reality rely > heavily on Bhavat Bhavam to justify their stand... applying stupid logic > to reveal stupid answers as there are only 12 houses in a chart, so, > every house has 12 bhavat bhavam combinations at least, therefore they > are free to find any stupidity.> > When we will begin making concepts on the basis of hard core facts. If > younger siblings are 3'rd then 3rd, spouse is 7'th, then 7'th, father > is 9'th then 9'th, if 10'th, then 10'th, let's check at least 100 > horoscopes to ascertain

which house is a karaka for what.> > regards,> Lalit.> > > > > > > > >