Guest guest Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Dear Sir, Thousands and thousands years of astrology have been passed, and even elementary things are not fixed, if i look at the volume of ego stored within icons, i m not able even to laugh at their greatness. In astrology every second person is a mahaguru,an avtaar of either venus or jupitor... but if u ask, a simple thing other than putting references from various books, u wont get anything. What is learnt in these thousands years....? What was not clear to Parashara or Varahmihira .. is not clear even today. this is the progress that astrology has done, This shows indian's attitude. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > > Hello Lalit, > > Kya Baat hai Bhaisahab.Aap kafi Naraaz lag rahe hain ?? > > Bhavat Bhavam is a very important concept in Jyotish .It should be applied after understanding it fully (very few people do understand this in entirety) > > If applied without proper understanding,it becomes a farce !! > > Regards, > > aavesh > > > litsol <litsol wrote: > I have seen, those who never checks astrology against reality rely > heavily on Bhavat Bhavam to justify their stand.. applying stupid logic > to reveal stupid answers as there are only 12 houses in a chart, so, > every house has 12 bhavat bhavam combinations at least, therefore they > are free to find any stupidity. > > When we will begin making concepts on the basis of hard core facts. If > younger siblings are 3'rd then 3rd, spouse is 7'th, then 7'th, father > is 9'th then 9'th, if 10'th, then 10'th, let's check at least 100 > horoscopes to ascertain which house is a karaka for what. > > regards, > Lalit. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Respected Astrologer Sir, I am also in search of some books for learning astrology (from the very grass root), for just as hobby. can you suggest some meaningful book on subject, specially in hindi (not so strong in english - my weakness). Sincerely yours, aavesh t <aavesh_sVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Wednesday, 5 December, 2007 4:57:59 PM[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Bhavat Bhavam - Free for You Dear Lalit, I can understand your frustration. It is certainly cumbersome for a beginner in Jyotish to make sense in the current mess (that is prevailing in the Jyotish scene in India) I will suggest a couple of ways to make your study more meaningful (i)Join a course of the ICAS in your area.This will give you the opportunity to study Jyotish under the guidance of experienced Jyotishis (You can also interact with the students in the course) (2)Purchase the following books: (i)Light on Life -by Hart De Fuow and Robert Svoboda (ii)Ancient Hindu Astrology for the Modern Western Astrologer-- by James Braha The second book is the best book in the world for learning Jyotish (in my opinion).It was published by Motilal Banarsidass. You may enquire at Connaught Place and find some old edition perhaps (else you can order at brahas.com) The above steps will put you on a clear path. Last by not the least,Jyotish study is a Sadhana (if done with the right approach) Any Sadhana requires immense sacrifice,patience and dedication I have been doing Jyotish for the last 11 years (and counting).The results have been worth the effort Do not worry,you have the potential just keep at it Regards, aavesh litsol <litsol > wrote: Dear Sir,Thousands and thousands years of astrology have been passed, and even elementary things are not fixed, if i look at the volume of ego stored within icons, i m not able even to laugh at their greatness.In astrology every second person is a mahaguru,an avtaar of either venus or jupitor... but if u ask, a simple thing other than putting references from various books, u wont get anything.What is learnt in these thousands years....? What was not clear to Parashara or Varahmihira .. is not clear even today. this is the progress that astrology has done, This shows indian's attitude.regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, aavesh t wrote:>> Hello Lalit,> > Kya Baat hai Bhaisahab.Aap kafi Naraaz lag rahe hain ??> > Bhavat Bhavam is a very important concept in Jyotish .It should be applied after understanding it fully (very few people do understand this in entirety)> > If applied without proper understanding, it becomes a farce !!> > Regards,> > aavesh> > > litsol wrote:> I have seen, those who never checks astrology against reality rely > heavily on Bhavat Bhavam to justify their stand.. applying stupid logic > to reveal stupid answers as there are only 12 houses in a chart, so, > every house has 12 bhavat bhavam combinations at least, therefore they > are free to find any stupidity.> > When we will begin making concepts on the basis of hard core facts. If > younger siblings are 3'rd then 3rd, spouse is 7'th, then 7'th, father > is 9'th then 9'th, if 10'th, then 10'th, let's check at least 100 > horoscopes to ascertain which house is a karaka for what.> > regards,> Lalit.> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Dear Lalit, Astrology is a predictive science and in predictive sciences there is bound to be difference of opinion. I doubt whether astrology was not clear to Parashara of Varaha Mihira as is being claimed by you. May I ask what led you to this conclusion? If something is not clear to some people does it mean that it is not clear to the entire nation? If that is the premise, then none of the shastras across the world are worth study as they may not be clear to some of the people from the nations in which they originated. Chandrashekhar. litsol wrote: Dear Sir, Thousands and thousands years of astrology have been passed, and even elementary things are not fixed, if i look at the volume of ego stored within icons, i m not able even to laugh at their greatness. In astrology every second person is a mahaguru,an avtaar of either venus or jupitor... but if u ask, a simple thing other than putting references from various books, u wont get anything. What is learnt in these thousands years....? What was not clear to Parashara or Varahmihira .. is not clear even today. this is the progress that astrology has done, This shows indian's attitude. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > > Hello Lalit, > > Kya Baat hai Bhaisahab.Aap kafi Naraaz lag rahe hain ?? > > Bhavat Bhavam is a very important concept in Jyotish .It should be applied after understanding it fully (very few people do understand this in entirety) > > If applied without proper understanding,it becomes a farce !! > > Regards, > > aavesh > > > litsol <litsol wrote: > I have seen, those who never checks astrology against reality rely > heavily on Bhavat Bhavam to justify their stand.. applying stupid logic > to reveal stupid answers as there are only 12 houses in a chart, so, > every house has 12 bhavat bhavam combinations at least, therefore they > are free to find any stupidity. > > When we will begin making concepts on the basis of hard core facts. If > younger siblings are 3'rd then 3rd, spouse is 7'th, then 7'th, father > is 9'th then 9'th, if 10'th, then 10'th, let's check at least 100 > horoscopes to ascertain which house is a karaka for what. > > regards, > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 Dear Sir, Sages are after all human being only, they may also miss things otherise how differences and exceptions are found in various classics, this is how i think. Sukracharya favored daityas all life. Pls. guide us in our discussion on wealth prospects, what u saw if Jupitor/venus is debilitated in 2nd / 4'th / 6'th / 10'th house. regards, Lalit. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > > Astrology is a predictive science and in predictive sciences there is > bound to be difference of opinion. I doubt whether astrology was not > clear to Parashara of Varaha Mihira as is being claimed by you. May I > ask what led you to this conclusion? > > If something is not clear to some people does it mean that it is not > clear to the entire nation? If that is the premise, then none of the > shastras across the world are worth study as they may not be clear to > some of the people from the nations in which they originated. > > Chandrashekhar. > > litsol wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > Thousands and thousands years of astrology have been passed, and even > > elementary things are not fixed, if i look at the volume of ego > > stored within icons, i m not able even to laugh at their greatness. > > > > In astrology every second person is a mahaguru,an avtaar of either > > venus or jupitor... but if u ask, a simple thing other than putting > > references from various books, u wont get anything. > > > > What is learnt in these thousands years....? > > > > What was not clear to Parashara or Varahmihira .. is not clear even > > today. this is the progress that astrology has done, This shows > > indian's attitude. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, aavesh t > > <aavesh_s@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Lalit, > > > > > > Kya Baat hai Bhaisahab.Aap kafi Naraaz lag rahe hain ?? > > > > > > Bhavat Bhavam is a very important concept in Jyotish .It should > > be applied after understanding it fully (very few people do > > understand this in entirety) > > > > > > If applied without proper understanding,it becomes a farce !! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > litsol <litsol@> wrote: > > > I have seen, those who never checks astrology against reality > > rely > > > heavily on Bhavat Bhavam to justify their stand.. applying stupid > > logic > > > to reveal stupid answers as there are only 12 houses in a chart, > > so, > > > every house has 12 bhavat bhavam combinations at least, therefore > > they > > > are free to find any stupidity. > > > > > > When we will begin making concepts on the basis of hard core facts. > > If > > > younger siblings are 3'rd then 3rd, spouse is 7'th, then 7'th, > > father > > > is 9'th then 9'th, if 10'th, then 10'th, let's check at least 100 > > > horoscopes to ascertain which house is a karaka for what. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Dear Saaji, Your translation is about right. I am glad you could find a shloka to support what I wanted to convey. I am currently busy writing a book on Kalachakra dasha and am trying to devise a failsafe structure to be followed to be able to predict on that basis only. As you know there are many views about how to draw the dashas, antardashas and other factors in KCD. I am trying to not only give what i feel is right but also to confirm for myself if that comes right every time. Once the basic structure is in place, I shall certainly teach you the intricacies of Kalachakra dasha. Take care, Chandrashekhar. Saaji Bhaskaran wrote: Namaste Chandrashekhar ji & Lalit, I very much liked this analogy of elephant and blind men... I read this: jyotishamaagama shastram vipratipattou na yogyamasamaakam svayameva vikalpayitum kinthu bahuunaam matam vakshey the correct meaning yourself can explain As i understood it roughly means, jyotisha formed with contributions from many people, different opinions are said, and you select yourself. (hope this is correct) And as time progress everything should modify...What if we predict owning horce or elephant as written in shastras? We have to modify it to two wheeler and four wheeler or like... Chandrashekhar ji, my BPHS reached here...I would like to learn Kalachakra dasa and you promised to teach me this... I would learn and apply this dasa and share it in this group... Best regards, Saaji Bhaskaran Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > > There is no doubt that sages were human beings. At the same time we must > not forget that they devised the science. So claiming that we understood > something in that science which the sages who devised it did not > understand, is a bit too far fetched. > > Again it may not be out of place to say that knowledge is like the > proverbial elephant and the seekers are like the seven blind men who see > the elephant in different shapes. All the shapes are parts of the > elephant but only together they make the entire elephant. Till such time > that all that is collated everybody tries to find his own truth and > thinks that others have not understood the truth. > > I do not understand the reference to Shukracharya favoring Daityas. A > guru has to teach to the seeker and that was the duty of Shukracharya, > as teaching the Devas was the duty of Brihaspati. > > I would see growth in the 8th, 10th, 12th and 4th house, respectively, > in that case. > > Chandrashekhar. > > litsol wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > Sages are after all human being only, they may also miss things > > otherise how differences and exceptions are found in various > > classics, this is how i think. Sukracharya favored daityas all life. > > > > Pls. guide us in our discussion on wealth prospects, what u saw if > > Jupitor/venus is debilitated in 2nd / 4'th / 6'th / 10'th house. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > Astrology is a predictive science and in predictive sciences there > > is > > > bound to be difference of opinion. I doubt whether astrology was > > not > > > clear to Parashara of Varaha Mihira as is being claimed by you. May > > I > > > ask what led you to this conclusion? > > > > > > If something is not clear to some people does it mean that it is > > not > > > clear to the entire nation? If that is the premise, then none of > > the > > > shastras across the world are worth study as they may not be clear > > to > > > some of the people from the nations in which they originated. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > Thousands and thousands years of astrology have been passed, and > > even > > > > elementary things are not fixed, if i look at the volume of ego > > > > stored within icons, i m not able even to laugh at their > > greatness. > > > > > > > > In astrology every second person is a mahaguru,an avtaar of either > > > > venus or jupitor... but if u ask, a simple thing other than > > putting > > > > references from various books, u wont get anything. > > > > > > > > What is learnt in these thousands years....? > > > > > > > > What was not clear to Parashara or Varahmihira .. is not clear > > even > > > > today. this is the progress that astrology has done, This shows > > > > indian's attitude. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, aavesh t > > > > <aavesh_s@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > Kya Baat hai Bhaisahab.Aap kafi Naraaz lag rahe hain ?? > > > > > > > > > > Bhavat Bhavam is a very important concept in Jyotish .It should > > > > be applied after understanding it fully (very few people do > > > > understand this in entirety) > > > > > > > > > > If applied without proper understanding,it becomes a farce !! > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol <litsol@> wrote: > > > > > I have seen, those who never checks astrology against reality > > > > rely > > > > > heavily on Bhavat Bhavam to justify their stand.. applying > > stupid > > > > logic > > > > > to reveal stupid answers as there are only 12 houses in a chart, > > > > so, > > > > > every house has 12 bhavat bhavam combinations at least, > > therefore > > > > they > > > > > are free to find any stupidity. > > > > > > > > > > When we will begin making concepts on the basis of hard core > > facts. > > > > If > > > > > younger siblings are 3'rd then 3rd, spouse is 7'th, then 7'th, > > > > father > > > > > is 9'th then 9'th, if 10'th, then 10'th, let's check at least > > 100 > > > > > horoscopes to ascertain which house is a karaka for what. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Dear VK, I am sure you must have read BPHS, since you are commenting on Parashara. I hope you read the part where Parashara acknowledges the science having come through Brahma to Narada , Shaunaka and other sages and telling that he is only giving that knowledge. So your statement of only Parashara having contributed to Jyotish may not stand test of what Parashara himself has said. It is well know that there are 18 pravartakas of Jyotish including the venerated Parashara. I do not think Upadesh means secondary or supplementary to. Upadesha means instructions and they need not be secondary. Chandrashekhar. vedic_astrology_learner wrote: Saaji Bhaskaran, First of all you must understand that only Parashara contributed to Jyotish. Others' contributed only like modern writers. Suppose you take Jaimini Rishi. It is called "Jaimini Updesh". A updesh is never said to be the contribution of that writer. Updesh means secondary or supplementry to and secondary to whom ? off course to Parshara. If you study complete BPHS in detail, you will find that ninety percent of writers have requoted Parashara in simple language. There is no new principle involved. I have seen a major problem in astro groups i.e. people present here want to learn only prediction or predictive astrology and that too without learning basic concepts of vedic astrology. All the tall buildings have a very strong foundation so if you want to be a good astrologer, you must create a concrete foundation otherwise your building of knowledge will collapse very soon. Consequently another critic of Bhartiya jyoiths is born on earth. So commenting of ability of Parashara shows such a critic is already born of set to take birth. VK Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Saaji Bhaskaran" <saajik wrote: > > Namaste Chandrashekhar ji & Lalit, > > I very much liked this analogy of elephant and blind men... > > I read this: > > jyotishamaagama shastram vipratipattou na yogyamasamaakam > svayameva vikalpayitum kinthu bahuunaam matam vakshey > > the correct meaning yourself can explain As i understood it roughly > means, jyotisha formed with contributions from many people, different > opinions are said, and you select yourself. (hope this is correct) > > And as time progress everything should modify...What if we predict > owning horce or elephant as written in shastras? We have to modify it > to two wheeler and four wheeler or like... > > Chandrashekhar ji, my BPHS reached here...I would like to learn > Kalachakra dasa and you promised to teach me this... I would learn > and apply this dasa and share it in this group... > > Best regards, > > Saaji Bhaskaran > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > There is no doubt that sages were human beings. At the same time we > must > > not forget that they devised the science. So claiming that we > understood > > something in that science which the sages who devised it did not > > understand, is a bit too far fetched. > > > > Again it may not be out of place to say that knowledge is like the > > proverbial elephant and the seekers are like the seven blind men > who see > > the elephant in different shapes. All the shapes are parts of the > > elephant but only together they make the entire elephant. Till such > time > > that all that is collated everybody tries to find his own truth and > > thinks that others have not understood the truth. > > > > I do not understand the reference to Shukracharya favoring Daityas. > A > > guru has to teach to the seeker and that was the duty of > Shukracharya, > > as teaching the Devas was the duty of Brihaspati. > > > > I would see growth in the 8th, 10th, 12th and 4th house, > respectively, > > in that case. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > Sages are after all human being only, they may also miss things > > > otherise how differences and exceptions are found in various > > > classics, this is how i think. Sukracharya favored daityas all > life. > > > > > > Pls. guide us in our discussion on wealth prospects, what u saw if > > > Jupitor/venus is debilitated in 2nd / 4'th / 6'th / 10'th house. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > Astrology is a predictive science and in predictive sciences > there > > > is > > > > bound to be difference of opinion. I doubt whether astrology was > > > not > > > > clear to Parashara of Varaha Mihira as is being claimed by you. > May > > > I > > > > ask what led you to this conclusion? > > > > > > > > If something is not clear to some people does it mean that it is > > > not > > > > clear to the entire nation? If that is the premise, then none of > > > the > > > > shastras across the world are worth study as they may not be > clear > > > to > > > > some of the people from the nations in which they originated. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > Thousands and thousands years of astrology have been passed, > and > > > even > > > > > elementary things are not fixed, if i look at the volume of > ego > > > > > stored within icons, i m not able even to laugh at their > > > greatness. > > > > > > > > > > In astrology every second person is a mahaguru,an avtaar of > either > > > > > venus or jupitor... but if u ask, a simple thing other than > > > putting > > > > > references from various books, u wont get anything. > > > > > > > > > > What is learnt in these thousands years....? > > > > > > > > > > What was not clear to Parashara or Varahmihira ... is not clear > > > even > > > > > today. this is the progress that astrology has done, This > shows > > > > > indian's attitude. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, aavesh t > > > > > <aavesh_s@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > Kya Baat hai Bhaisahab.Aap kafi Naraaz lag rahe hain ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhavat Bhavam is a very important concept in Jyotish .It > should > > > > > be applied after understanding it fully (very few people do > > > > > understand this in entirety) > > > > > > > > > > > > If applied without proper understanding,it becomes a > farce !! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol <litsol@> wrote: > > > > > > I have seen, those who never checks astrology against > reality > > > > > rely > > > > > > heavily on Bhavat Bhavam to justify their stand.. applying > > > stupid > > > > > logic > > > > > > to reveal stupid answers as there are only 12 houses in a > chart, > > > > > so, > > > > > > every house has 12 bhavat bhavam combinations at least, > > > therefore > > > > > they > > > > > > are free to find any stupidity. > > > > > > > > > > > > When we will begin making concepts on the basis of hard core > > > facts. > > > > > If > > > > > > younger siblings are 3'rd then 3rd, spouse is 7'th, then > 7'th, > > > > > father > > > > > > is 9'th then 9'th, if 10'th, then 10'th, let's check at > least > > > 100 > > > > > > horoscopes to ascertain which house is a karaka for what. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Dear Lalit, Bhavat Bhavam is say 5th from 5th and there is only one 5th from the 5th. Similarly 4th from 4th that is 7th there is only one 4th from 4th and so on. So there could not be more than one Bhavat Bhavam (similar distance of bhava from a bhava that the original bhava is from lagna) for each house of a chart. Chandrashekhar. litsol wrote: Dear Sir, That was said in hurry, there should be 11 bhavt bhavam relations for each house. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Lalit/ RK, > > If I may intervene. How does each bhava has 12 bhavat bhava positions? > Could someone explain this new mathematics to me? > > Chandrashekhar. > > rk dash wrote: > > You are right, Lalit. They strangulate themsleves in the skein. I have > > seen some. But they survive the stupidity. > > > > There should be two provisos here. The reduplication bhava should not > > be in conflict with the primary bhava, one. Two, the weight should > > shift to the bhavat bhava only upon certain conditions. We have to dig > > that out. So far I have not seen any in the course of my reading. (It > > may not be a valid testing just by taking a good number of horoscopes; > > a rigorous methodology of testing is important, because false > > ratification is also possible just as many articles in magazines end > > up doing while proving an axiom or floating a new one.) > > > > I go back to point one. Take 4th and 7th. Mother (from 4th) conflicts > > with spouse (7th). So does home (4th) with road or maarga (7th). Those > > who are more discerning say bhavata bhavam is for 'bhava anuchinta'. > > 'Bhava chinta' as a term and concept in astrology is a very delicate > > thing. Few can handle it. Bhava chinta requires being well-versed in > > 'lakshaNa shastra'. And laskhaNa shastra vast and indeterminate. It > > requires one to be steeped in humanities studies, stuying life itself, > > studentship of life. Astrology is a poet's prerogative. I have bhava > > anuchinta in mind. > > > > I must make this point at a time when software competence is thought > > to be enough for a qualification to read man's world, nay Life. > > Horoscope generation by computer is fine. The rest need not be. No > > aspersion here for any profession. Just the fact of the matter as I > > understand. > > > > RK > > > > > > On 05/12/2007, *litsol* <litsol <litsol> > > wrote: > > > > I have seen, those who never checks astrology against reality rely > > heavily on Bhavat Bhavam to justify their stand.. applying stupid > > logic > > to reveal stupid answers as there are only 12 houses in a chart, so, > > every house has 12 bhavat bhavam combinations at least, therefore > > they > > are free to find any stupidity. > > > > When we will begin making concepts on the basis of hard core > > facts. If > > younger siblings are 3'rd then 3rd, spouse is 7'th, then 7'th, father > > is 9'th then 9'th, if 10'th, then 10'th, let's check at least 100 > > horoscopes to ascertain which house is a karaka for what. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Chandraprakashji, The following are the sources: (i)First two books are published by Motilal Banarsidass.They can be purchased from any standard bookshop (or you search in google and find their website and place your order) (ii)The latter book and magazine will be available at any A.H.Wheeler and Co/Higginbothams book shop in any large railway station Regards, aavesh chandra prakash <cpgangotri wrote: Respected Sir, Thank you very much for my query. Hope will get such supports again. will take up searching these books on priority, i.e. first priority to Jatak Parijat and so on. but it will be your valuable support to this learner if you can provide some light on source of these books. Hope i am not troubling you much on my this query. Sincerely. aavesh t <aavesh_sVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Friday, 7 December, 2007 3:47:16 PMSubject: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Bhavat Bhavam - Free for You Dear Mr ChandraPrakash, Pls refer the following books (in Hindi) (i)Jatak Parijat-by Gopesh Kumar Ojha(Vol I and II)--The best books to learn Jyotish in Hindi.However, these books are quite intensive (ii)Jyotish Ratnakar-a very good book and simple to read Apart from the above,you can purchase books written by Raghunandan Prasad Gaur Also purchase issues of Babaji magazine (editor Lacchman Das Madan) every month All the best Regards, aavesh chandra prakash <cpgangotri (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Respected Sir, May i expect your wishes on my below mail. Sincerely yours, ----- Forwarded Message ----chandra prakash <cpgangotri (AT) (DOT) co.in>Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s..comWednesday, 5 December, 2007 5:05:57 PMRe: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Bhavat Bhavam - Free for You Respected Astrologer Sir, I am also in search of some books for learning astrology (from the very grass root), for just as hobby. can you suggest some meaningful book on subject, specially in hindi (not so strong in english - my weakness). Sincerely yours, aavesh t <aavesh_s (AT) (DOT) co.in>Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.comWednesday, 5 December, 2007 4:57:59 PM[Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Bhavat Bhavam - Free for You Dear Lalit, I can understand your frustration. It is certainly cumbersome for a beginner in Jyotish to make sense in the current mess (that is prevailing in the Jyotish scene in India) I will suggest a couple of ways to make your study more meaningful (i)Join a course of the ICAS in your area.This will give you the opportunity to study Jyotish under the guidance of experienced Jyotishis (You can also interact with the students in the course) (2)Purchase the following books: (i)Light on Life -by Hart De Fuow and Robert Svoboda (ii)Ancient Hindu Astrology for the Modern Western Astrologer-- by James Braha The second book is the best book in the world for learning Jyotish (in my opinion).It was published by Motilal Banarsidass. You may enquire at Connaught Place and find some old edition perhaps (else you can order at brahas.com) The above steps will put you on a clear path. Last by not the least,Jyotish study is a Sadhana (if done with the right approach) Any Sadhana requires immense sacrifice,patience and dedication I have been doing Jyotish for the last 11 years (and counting).The results have been worth the effort Do not worry,you have the potential just keep at it Regards, aavesh litsol <litsol > wrote: Dear Sir,Thousands and thousands years of astrology have been passed, and even elementary things are not fixed, if i look at the volume of ego stored within icons, i m not able even to laugh at their greatness.In astrology every second person is a mahaguru,an avtaar of either venus or jupitor... but if u ask, a simple thing other than putting references from various books, u wont get anything.What is learnt in these thousands years....? What was not clear to Parashara or Varahmihira .. is not clear even today. this is the progress that astrology has done, This shows indian's attitude.regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, aavesh t wrote:>> Hello Lalit,> > Kya Baat hai Bhaisahab.Aap kafi Naraaz lag rahe hain ??> > Bhavat Bhavam is a very important concept in Jyotish .It should be applied after understanding it fully (very few people do understand this in entirety)> > If applied without proper understanding, it becomes a farce !!> > Regards,> > aavesh> > > litsol wrote:> I have seen, those who never checks astrology against reality rely > heavily on Bhavat Bhavam to justify their stand.... applying stupid logic > to reveal stupid answers as there are only 12 houses in a chart, so, > every house has 12 bhavat bhavam combinations at least, therefore they > are free to find any stupidity.> > When we will begin making concepts on the basis of hard core facts. If > younger siblings are 3'rd then 3rd, spouse is 7'th, then 7'th, father > is 9'th then 9'th, if 10'th, then 10'th, let's check at least 100 > horoscopes to ascertain which house is a karaka for what.> > regards,> Lalit.> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Respected Sir, Many many thanks for your support & cooperation. Will definitely go for as per your instructions. please foregive me if am crossing my limits by making you discomfort due to my queries out of your topic of this chain or some other reasons, while i am adding you in my chain of GURUs here just without having any comprehensive interraction on both ends and will keep you pushing on my doubts while studying these books. Sincerely yours, aavesh t <aavesh_sVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Saturday, 8 December, 2007 4:29:54 AM[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Bhavat Bhavam - Free for You Chandraprakashji, The following are the sources: (i)First two books are published by Motilal Banarsidass.They can be purchased from any standard bookshop (or you search in google and find their website and place your order) (ii)The latter book and magazine will be available at any A.H.Wheeler and Co/Higginbothams book shop in any large railway station Regards, aavesh chandra prakash <cpgangotri (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Respected Sir, Thank you very much for my query. Hope will get such supports again. will take up searching these books on priority, i.e. first priority to Jatak Parijat and so on. but it will be your valuable support to this learner if you can provide some light on source of these books. Hope i am not troubling you much on my this query. Sincerely. aavesh t <aavesh_s (AT) (DOT) co.in>Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.comFriday, 7 December, 2007 3:47:16 PM[Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Bhavat Bhavam - Free for You Dear Mr ChandraPrakash, Pls refer the following books (in Hindi) (i)Jatak Parijat-by Gopesh Kumar Ojha(Vol I and II)--The best books to learn Jyotish in Hindi.However, these books are quite intensive (ii)Jyotish Ratnakar-a very good book and simple to read Apart from the above,you can purchase books written by Raghunandan Prasad Gaur Also purchase issues of Babaji magazine (editor Lacchman Das Madan) every month All the best Regards, aavesh chandra prakash <cpgangotri (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Respected Sir, May i expect your wishes on my below mail. Sincerely yours, ----- Forwarded Message ----chandra prakash <cpgangotri (AT) (DOT) co.in>Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s..comWednesday, 5 December, 2007 5:05:57 PMRe: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Bhavat Bhavam - Free for You Respected Astrologer Sir, I am also in search of some books for learning astrology (from the very grass root), for just as hobby. can you suggest some meaningful book on subject, specially in hindi (not so strong in english - my weakness). Sincerely yours, aavesh t <aavesh_s (AT) (DOT) co.in>Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.comWednesday, 5 December, 2007 4:57:59 PM[Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Bhavat Bhavam - Free for You Dear Lalit, I can understand your frustration. It is certainly cumbersome for a beginner in Jyotish to make sense in the current mess (that is prevailing in the Jyotish scene in India) I will suggest a couple of ways to make your study more meaningful (i)Join a course of the ICAS in your area.This will give you the opportunity to study Jyotish under the guidance of experienced Jyotishis (You can also interact with the students in the course) (2)Purchase the following books: (i)Light on Life -by Hart De Fuow and Robert Svoboda (ii)Ancient Hindu Astrology for the Modern Western Astrologer-- by James Braha The second book is the best book in the world for learning Jyotish (in my opinion).It was published by Motilal Banarsidass. You may enquire at Connaught Place and find some old edition perhaps (else you can order at brahas.com) The above steps will put you on a clear path. Last by not the least,Jyotish study is a Sadhana (if done with the right approach) Any Sadhana requires immense sacrifice,patience and dedication I have been doing Jyotish for the last 11 years (and counting).The results have been worth the effort Do not worry,you have the potential just keep at it Regards, aavesh litsol <litsol > wrote: Dear Sir,Thousands and thousands years of astrology have been passed, and even elementary things are not fixed, if i look at the volume of ego stored within icons, i m not able even to laugh at their greatness.In astrology every second person is a mahaguru,an avtaar of either venus or jupitor... but if u ask, a simple thing other than putting references from various books, u wont get anything.What is learnt in these thousands years....? What was not clear to Parashara or Varahmihira .. is not clear even today. this is the progress that astrology has done, This shows indian's attitude.regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, aavesh t wrote:>> Hello Lalit,> > Kya Baat hai Bhaisahab.Aap kafi Naraaz lag rahe hain ??> > Bhavat Bhavam is a very important concept in Jyotish .It should be applied after understanding it fully (very few people do understand this in entirety)> > If applied without proper understanding, it becomes a farce !!> > Regards,> > aavesh> > > litsol wrote:> I have seen, those who never checks astrology against reality rely > heavily on Bhavat Bhavam to justify their stand.... applying stupid logic > to reveal stupid answers as there are only 12 houses in a chart, so, > every house has 12 bhavat bhavam combinations at least, therefore they > are free to find any stupidity.> > When we will begin making concepts on the basis of hard core facts. If > younger siblings are 3'rd then 3rd, spouse is 7'th, then 7'th, father > is 9'th then 9'th, if 10'th, then 10'th, let's check at least 100 > horoscopes to ascertain which house is a karaka for what.> > regards,> Lalit.> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Dear Sir, Namaskaar, Let's put it like this - 2nd from 4'th, 3'rd from 4'th, 5'th from 5'th... and so on, now take 5'th, let's say, 12'th from 5'th, 11'th from 5'th or 2nd from 5'th, 3'rd from 5'th.. etc... regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > > Bhavat Bhavam is say 5th from 5th and there is only one 5th from the > 5th. Similarly 4th from 4th that is 7th there is only one 4th from 4th > and so on. So there could not be more than one Bhavat Bhavam (similar > distance of bhava from a bhava that the original bhava is from lagna) > for each house of a chart. > > Chandrashekhar. > > litsol wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > That was said in hurry, there should be 11 bhavt bhavam relations for > > each house. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit/ RK, > > > > > > If I may intervene. How does each bhava has 12 bhavat bhava > > positions? > > > Could someone explain this new mathematics to me? > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > rk dash wrote: > > > > You are right, Lalit. They strangulate themsleves in the skein. I > > have > > > > seen some. But they survive the stupidity. > > > > > > > > There should be two provisos here. The reduplication bhava should > > not > > > > be in conflict with the primary bhava, one. Two, the weight > > should > > > > shift to the bhavat bhava only upon certain conditions. We have > > to dig > > > > that out. So far I have not seen any in the course of my reading. > > (It > > > > may not be a valid testing just by taking a good number of > > horoscopes; > > > > a rigorous methodology of testing is important, because false > > > > ratification is also possible just as many articles in magazines > > end > > > > up doing while proving an axiom or floating a new one.) > > > > > > > > I go back to point one. Take 4th and 7th. Mother (from 4th) > > conflicts > > > > with spouse (7th). So does home (4th) with road or maarga (7th). > > Those > > > > who are more discerning say bhavata bhavam is for 'bhava > > anuchinta'. > > > > 'Bhava chinta' as a term and concept in astrology is a very > > delicate > > > > thing. Few can handle it. Bhava chinta requires being well- versed > > in > > > > 'lakshaNa shastra'. And laskhaNa shastra vast and indeterminate. > > It > > > > requires one to be steeped in humanities studies, stuying life > > itself, > > > > studentship of life. Astrology is a poet's prerogative. I have > > bhava > > > > anuchinta in mind. > > > > > > > > I must make this point at a time when software competence is > > thought > > > > to be enough for a qualification to read man's world, nay Life. > > > > Horoscope generation by computer is fine. The rest need not be. > > No > > > > aspersion here for any profession. Just the fact of the matter as > > I > > > > understand. > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > On 05/12/2007, *litsol* <litsol@ <litsol@>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I have seen, those who never checks astrology against reality > > rely > > > > heavily on Bhavat Bhavam to justify their stand.. applying > > stupid > > > > logic > > > > to reveal stupid answers as there are only 12 houses in a > > chart, so, > > > > every house has 12 bhavat bhavam combinations at least, > > therefore > > > > they > > > > are free to find any stupidity. > > > > > > > > When we will begin making concepts on the basis of hard core > > > > facts. If > > > > younger siblings are 3'rd then 3rd, spouse is 7'th, then > > 7'th, father > > > > is 9'th then 9'th, if 10'th, then 10'th, let's check at least > > 100 > > > > horoscopes to ascertain which house is a karaka for what. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Dear Lalit, That is not Bhavat Bhavam. The bhava concerned and the bhava away from it are identical in their number from lagna and the first bhava respectively for the application of Bhavat Bhavam principle. Take care, Chandrashekhar. litsol wrote: Dear Sir, Namaskaar, Let's put it like this - 2nd from 4'th, 3'rd from 4'th, 5'th from 5'th... and so on, now take 5'th, let's say, 12'th from 5'th, 11'th from 5'th or 2nd from 5'th, 3'rd from 5'th.. etc... regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > > Bhavat Bhavam is say 5th from 5th and there is only one 5th from the > 5th. Similarly 4th from 4th that is 7th there is only one 4th from 4th > and so on. So there could not be more than one Bhavat Bhavam (similar > distance of bhava from a bhava that the original bhava is from lagna) > for each house of a chart. > > Chandrashekhar. > > litsol wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > That was said in hurry, there should be 11 bhavt bhavam relations for > > each house. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit/ RK, > > > > > > If I may intervene. How does each bhava has 12 bhavat bhava > > positions? > > > Could someone explain this new mathematics to me? > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > rk dash wrote: > > > > You are right, Lalit. They strangulate themsleves in the skein. I > > have > > > > seen some. But they survive the stupidity. > > > > > > > > There should be two provisos here. The reduplication bhava should > > not > > > > be in conflict with the primary bhava, one. Two, the weight > > should > > > > shift to the bhavat bhava only upon certain conditions. We have > > to dig > > > > that out. So far I have not seen any in the course of my reading. > > (It > > > > may not be a valid testing just by taking a good number of > > horoscopes; > > > > a rigorous methodology of testing is important, because false > > > > ratification is also possible just as many articles in magazines > > end > > > > up doing while proving an axiom or floating a new one.) > > > > > > > > I go back to point one. Take 4th and 7th. Mother (from 4th) > > conflicts > > > > with spouse (7th). So does home (4th) with road or maarga (7th). > > Those > > > > who are more discerning say bhavata bhavam is for 'bhava > > anuchinta'. > > > > 'Bhava chinta' as a term and concept in astrology is a very > > delicate > > > > thing. Few can handle it. Bhava chinta requires being well- versed > > in > > > > 'lakshaNa shastra'. And laskhaNa shastra vast and indeterminate. > > It > > > > requires one to be steeped in humanities studies, stuying life > > itself, > > > > studentship of life. Astrology is a poet's prerogative. I have > > bhava > > > > anuchinta in mind. > > > > > > > > I must make this point at a time when software competence is > > thought > > > > to be enough for a qualification to read man's world, nay Life. > > > > Horoscope generation by computer is fine. The rest need not be. > > No > > > > aspersion here for any profession. Just the fact of the matter as > > I > > > > understand. > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > On 05/12/2007, *litsol* <litsol@ <litsol@>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I have seen, those who never checks astrology against reality > > rely > > > > heavily on Bhavat Bhavam to justify their stand.. applying > > stupid > > > > logic > > > > to reveal stupid answers as there are only 12 houses in a > > chart, so, > > > > every house has 12 bhavat bhavam combinations at least, > > therefore > > > > they > > > > are free to find any stupidity. > > > > > > > > When we will begin making concepts on the basis of hard core > > > > facts. If > > > > younger siblings are 3'rd then 3rd, spouse is 7'th, then > > 7'th, father > > > > is 9'th then 9'th, if 10'th, then 10'th, let's check at least > > 100 > > > > horoscopes to ascertain which house is a karaka for what. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 namaste chandrashekhar ji, its a great news you are writing about kalachakra dasa. yesterday i tried to read kalachakra dasa. i could only see general things with this dasa. do you agree with jhora's calculations? best regards, saaji bhaskaran Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Saaji, > > Your translation is about right. I am glad you could find a shloka to > support what I wanted to convey. I am currently busy writing a book on > Kalachakra dasha and am trying to devise a failsafe structure to be > followed to be able to predict on that basis only. As you know there are > many views about how to draw the dashas, antardashas and other factors > in KCD. I am trying to not only give what i feel is right but also to > confirm for myself if that comes right every time. Once the basic > structure is in place, I shall certainly teach you the intricacies of > Kalachakra dasha. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > Saaji Bhaskaran wrote: > > > > Namaste Chandrashekhar ji & Lalit, > > > > I very much liked this analogy of elephant and blind men... > > > > I read this: > > > > jyotishamaagama shastram vipratipattou na yogyamasamaakam > > svayameva vikalpayitum kinthu bahuunaam matam vakshey > > > > the correct meaning yourself can explain As i understood it roughly > > means, jyotisha formed with contributions from many people, different > > opinions are said, and you select yourself. (hope this is correct) > > > > And as time progress everything should modify...What if we predict > > owning horce or elephant as written in shastras? We have to modify it > > to two wheeler and four wheeler or like... > > > > Chandrashekhar ji, my BPHS reached here...I would like to learn > > Kalachakra dasa and you promised to teach me this... I would learn > > and apply this dasa and share it in this group... > > > > Best regards, > > > > Saaji Bhaskaran > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > There is no doubt that sages were human beings. At the same time we > > must > > > not forget that they devised the science. So claiming that we > > understood > > > something in that science which the sages who devised it did not > > > understand, is a bit too far fetched. > > > > > > Again it may not be out of place to say that knowledge is like the > > > proverbial elephant and the seekers are like the seven blind men > > who see > > > the elephant in different shapes. All the shapes are parts of the > > > elephant but only together they make the entire elephant. Till such > > time > > > that all that is collated everybody tries to find his own truth and > > > thinks that others have not understood the truth. > > > > > > I do not understand the reference to Shukracharya favoring Daityas. > > A > > > guru has to teach to the seeker and that was the duty of > > Shukracharya, > > > as teaching the Devas was the duty of Brihaspati. > > > > > > I would see growth in the 8th, 10th, 12th and 4th house, > > respectively, > > > in that case. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > Sages are after all human being only, they may also miss things > > > > otherise how differences and exceptions are found in various > > > > classics, this is how i think. Sukracharya favored daityas all > > life. > > > > > > > > Pls. guide us in our discussion on wealth prospects, what u saw if > > > > Jupitor/venus is debilitated in 2nd / 4'th / 6'th / 10'th house. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a predictive science and in predictive sciences > > there > > > > is > > > > > bound to be difference of opinion. I doubt whether astrology was > > > > not > > > > > clear to Parashara of Varaha Mihira as is being claimed by you. > > May > > > > I > > > > > ask what led you to this conclusion? > > > > > > > > > > If something is not clear to some people does it mean that it is > > > > not > > > > > clear to the entire nation? If that is the premise, then none of > > > > the > > > > > shastras across the world are worth study as they may not be > > clear > > > > to > > > > > some of the people from the nations in which they originated. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thousands and thousands years of astrology have been passed, > > and > > > > even > > > > > > elementary things are not fixed, if i look at the volume of > > ego > > > > > > stored within icons, i m not able even to laugh at their > > > > greatness. > > > > > > > > > > > > In astrology every second person is a mahaguru,an avtaar of > > either > > > > > > venus or jupitor... but if u ask, a simple thing other than > > > > putting > > > > > > references from various books, u wont get anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is learnt in these thousands years....? > > > > > > > > > > > > What was not clear to Parashara or Varahmihira .. is not clear > > > > even > > > > > > today. this is the progress that astrology has done, This > > shows > > > > > > indian's attitude. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, aavesh t > > > > > > <aavesh_s@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kya Baat hai Bhaisahab.Aap kafi Naraaz lag rahe hain ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhavat Bhavam is a very important concept in Jyotish .It > > should > > > > > > be applied after understanding it fully (very few people do > > > > > > understand this in entirety) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If applied without proper understanding,it becomes a > > farce !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol <litsol@> wrote: > > > > > > > I have seen, those who never checks astrology against > > reality > > > > > > rely > > > > > > > heavily on Bhavat Bhavam to justify their stand.. applying > > > > stupid > > > > > > logic > > > > > > > to reveal stupid answers as there are only 12 houses in a > > chart, > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > every house has 12 bhavat bhavam combinations at least, > > > > therefore > > > > > > they > > > > > > > are free to find any stupidity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we will begin making concepts on the basis of hard core > > > > facts. > > > > > > If > > > > > > > younger siblings are 3'rd then 3rd, spouse is 7'th, then > > 7'th, > > > > > > father > > > > > > > is 9'th then 9'th, if 10'th, then 10'th, let's check at > > least > > > > 100 > > > > > > > horoscopes to ascertain which house is a karaka for what. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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