Guest guest Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Dear Chandrashekarji, Nice to get your mail and to note that you too have doubts on the correctness of her chart.Normally I do not look at charts of politicians (particularly Indian politicians as their chelas are circulating all doctored charts) The chart of Laloo Yadav that is being used by the astro magazines currently is a real joke and defies all norms of Jyotish !! As they say 'Politics is the last refuge of scoundrels' and fake charts are just up the alley of these politicos Regards, aavesh Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: Dear Aavesh,She does have a Malavya yoga. Venus is strong n navamsha too. Two malefics are in upachaya. Yet as you rightly said, the strength of yogas is not to the extent expected. Her appearance also does not seem to fit the lagna with Saturn there. Her being away from her land of birth too does not appear to be shown by the chart. With celebrities one does not know as to whether one is getting the right chart.Chandrashekhar.aavesh t wrote: Namaskar Chandrashekarji and Lalitji, Is this her actual chart ?? There seem to be no prominent Rajyogas to justify her present position If I am missing something please let me know Regards, aavesh Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Lalit,I think the place of birth is Orbassano Italy 45N1 7E32Chandrashekhar.litsol wrote: Sonia Gandhi's horoscope: Her birth data available to the author is: Date of birth : 9th Dec.1946 Time of birth : 21:30 hrs. ( Italian Zonal Standard Time) Place of birth : Turin (Italy) 45N03, 07E40 The horoscope drawn for this data, using Chitrapakshiya Ayanamsa, is as follows: With Best Wishes, aavesh Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. With Best Wishes, aavesh Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Dear Sir, Here what we are missing is the relativity, rise to a position is a relative phinomina. Sonia's case, if we examine the chart and look at her current status, she is absolutely no where, have been no where, i mean held no position, she never had a good profession but enjoyed all what venus conferred on her. I dont know much about arudha, she is having a strong arudha, even arudha too is not sweet, BJP always highlights her foreign origin and in case of quatrochi, we have seen she prefers family links to principles. mars in 6'th in own sign, gives good support form co - workers, this is giving her strength within the party. As Sridhar sir has clerly explained saturn has gifted her lots of sacrifice and sadness is always seen in her face, she is still in a phase of keep the party in the order. Problem is her son, Problem is her daughters marriage to a insignificant low family with no intellectuality. Unless, Priyanka also shows signs of sacrifice, she is not going to win indian heart. simply put, road shows will not work,thus decline of the family is not far off. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Aavesh, > > She does have a Malavya yoga. Venus is strong n navamsha too. Two > malefics are in upachaya. Yet as you rightly said, the strength of yogas > is not to the extent expected. Her appearance also does not seem to fit > the lagna with Saturn there. Her being away from her land of birth too > does not appear to be shown by the chart. With celebrities one does not > know as to whether one is getting the right chart. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > aavesh t wrote: > > *Namaskar Chandrashekarji and Lalitji,* > > ** > > *Is this her actual chart ??* > > ** > > *There seem to be no prominent Rajyogas to justify her present position* > > ** > > *If I am missing something please let me know* > > ** > > *Regards,* > > ** > > *aavesh* > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar/* wrote: > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > I think the place of birth is Orbassano Italy 45N1 7E32 > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > litsol wrote: > >> *Sonia Gandhi's horoscope*: > >> Her birth data available to the author is: > >> Date of birth : > >> *9th Dec.1946 * > >> Time of birth : *21:30 hrs. ( Italian Zonal Standard Time) * > >> Place of birth : *Turin (Italy) 45N03, 07E40* > >> > >> The horoscope drawn for this data, using Chitrapakshiya Ayanamsa, > >> is as follows: > >> > > > > > > > > *With Best Wishes,* > > ** > > *aavesh* > > > > ------ > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT > > <http://in.rd./tagline_webmessenger_1/*http://in.messenger.ya hoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php> > > from any browser, without download. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Dear Aavesh, I am glad you find some substance in my views. I think many politicians being superstitious do not let on their correct chart for public view. So one is never certain about their charts. But one can still find out if the chart is right or not by the physical shape and mannerism of a person. Take care, Chandrashekhar. aavesh t wrote: Dear Chandrashekarji, Nice to get your mail and to note that you too have doubts on the correctness of her chart.Normally I do not look at charts of politicians (particularly Indian politicians as their chelas are circulating all doctored charts) The chart of Laloo Yadav that is being used by the astro magazines currently is a real joke and defies all norms of Jyotish !! As they say 'Politics is the last refuge of scoundrels' and fake charts are just up the alley of these politicos Regards, aavesh Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Aavesh, She does have a Malavya yoga. Venus is strong n navamsha too. Two malefics are in upachaya. Yet as you rightly said, the strength of yogas is not to the extent expected. Her appearance also does not seem to fit the lagna with Saturn there. Her being away from her land of birth too does not appear to be shown by the chart. With celebrities one does not know as to whether one is getting the right chart. Chandrashekhar. aavesh t wrote: Namaskar Chandrashekarji and Lalitji, Is this her actual chart ?? There seem to be no prominent Rajyogas to justify her present position If I am missing something please let me know Regards, aavesh Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Lalit, I think the place of birth is Orbassano Italy 45N1 7E32 Chandrashekhar. litsol wrote: Sonia Gandhi's horoscope: Her birth data available to the author is: Date of birth : 9th Dec.1946 Time of birth : 21:30 hrs. ( Italian Zonal Standard Time) Place of birth : Turin (Italy) 45N03, 07E40 The horoscope drawn for this data, using Chitrapakshiya Ayanamsa, is as follows: With Best Wishes, aavesh Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. With Best Wishes, aavesh Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Dear Lalit, If rising from a small town girl ( some say a waitress) to head of a 100 years plus party is not rise then what could be? There has to be a very powerful yoga for this to happen. Then again one's physical characteristics have also to match the chart before we accept a chart as the right one. Or at least that is my opinion. take care, Chandrashekhar. litsol wrote: Dear Sir, Here what we are missing is the relativity, rise to a position is a relative phinomina. Sonia's case, if we examine the chart and look at her current status, she is absolutely no where, have been no where, i mean held no position, she never had a good profession but enjoyed all what venus conferred on her. I dont know much about arudha, she is having a strong arudha, even arudha too is not sweet, BJP always highlights her foreign origin and in case of quatrochi, we have seen she prefers family links to principles. mars in 6'th in own sign, gives good support form co - workers, this is giving her strength within the party. As Sridhar sir has clerly explained saturn has gifted her lots of sacrifice and sadness is always seen in her face, she is still in a phase of keep the party in the order. Problem is her son, Problem is her daughters marriage to a insignificant low family with no intellectuality. Unless, Priyanka also shows signs of sacrifice, she is not going to win indian heart. simply put, road shows will not work,thus decline of the family is not far off. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Aavesh, > > She does have a Malavya yoga. Venus is strong n navamsha too. Two > malefics are in upachaya. Yet as you rightly said, the strength of yogas > is not to the extent expected. Her appearance also does not seem to fit > the lagna with Saturn there. Her being away from her land of birth too > does not appear to be shown by the chart. With celebrities one does not > know as to whether one is getting the right chart. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > aavesh t wrote: > > *Namaskar Chandrashekarji and Lalitji,* > > ** > > *Is this her actual chart ??* > > ** > > *There seem to be no prominent Rajyogas to justify her present position* > > ** > > *If I am missing something please let me know* > > ** > > *Regards,* > > ** > > *aavesh* > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar/* wrote: > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > I think the place of birth is Orbassano Italy 45N1 7E32 > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > litsol wrote: > >> *Sonia Gandhi's horoscope*: > >> Her birth data available to the author is: > >> Date of birth : > >> *9th Dec.1946 * > >> Time of birth : *21:30 hrs. ( Italian Zonal Standard Time) * > >> Place of birth : *Turin (Italy) 45N03, 07E40* > >> > >> The horoscope drawn for this data, using Chitrapakshiya Ayanamsa, > >> is as follows: > >> > > > > > > > > *With Best Wishes,* > > ** > > *aavesh* > > > > ------------------------- ------ > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT > > <http://in.rd./tagline_webmessenger_1/*http://in.messenger.ya hoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php> > > from any browser, without download. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Resp. Chandrashekhar Ji, Namskaar, Sonia has not won the leadership by her work, it is just gifted to her by consequences, she got it like any spouse get's her husband's property after his death. And she even doesnt understand the requirements of our nation, all she knows is her family and congress party is her family affair. She has not expressed her opinion for any of issues india is facing like - reservation, terrorism, economic policies ..., foreign affairs. I dont think She knows any thing.., she is only managing her family business.. and we indians are used to such leaderships. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > > If rising from a small town girl ( some say a waitress) to head of a 100 > years plus party is not rise then what could be? There has to be a very > powerful yoga for this to happen. Then again one's physical > characteristics have also to match the chart before we accept a chart as > the right one. Or at least that is my opinion. > > take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > litsol wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > Here what we are missing is the relativity, rise to a position is a > > relative phinomina. > > > > Sonia's case, if we examine the chart and look at her current status, > > she is absolutely no where, have been no where, i mean held no > > position, she never had a good profession but enjoyed all what venus > > conferred on her. I dont know much about arudha, she is having a > > strong arudha, even arudha too is not sweet, BJP always highlights > > her foreign origin and in case of quatrochi, we have seen she prefers > > family links to principles. > > > > mars in 6'th in own sign, gives good support form co - workers, this > > is giving her strength within the party. > > > > As Sridhar sir has clerly explained saturn has gifted her lots of > > sacrifice and sadness is always seen in her face, she is still in a > > phase of keep the party in the order. > > > > Problem is her son, Problem is her daughters marriage to a > > insignificant low family with no intellectuality. Unless, Priyanka > > also shows signs of sacrifice, she is not going to win indian heart. > > simply put, road shows will not work,thus decline of the family is > > not far off. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > > > She does have a Malavya yoga. Venus is strong n navamsha too. Two > > > malefics are in upachaya. Yet as you rightly said, the strength of > > yogas > > > is not to the extent expected. Her appearance also does not seem to > > fit > > > the lagna with Saturn there. Her being away from her land of birth > > too > > > does not appear to be shown by the chart. With celebrities one does > > not > > > know as to whether one is getting the right chart. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > aavesh t wrote: > > > > *Namaskar Chandrashekarji and Lalitji,* > > > > ** > > > > *Is this her actual chart ??* > > > > ** > > > > *There seem to be no prominent Rajyogas to justify her present > > position* > > > > ** > > > > *If I am missing something please let me know* > > > > ** > > > > *Regards,* > > > > ** > > > > *aavesh* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > I think the place of birth is Orbassano Italy 45N1 7E32 > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > litsol wrote: > > > >> *Sonia Gandhi's horoscope*: > > > >> Her birth data available to the author is: > > > >> Date of birth : > > > >> *9th Dec.1946 * > > > >> Time of birth : *21:30 hrs. ( Italian Zonal Standard > > Time) * > > > >> Place of birth : *Turin (Italy) 45N03, 07E40* > > > >> > > > >> The horoscope drawn for this data, using Chitrapakshiya > > Ayanamsa, > > > >> is as follows: > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *With Best Wishes,* > > > > ** > > > > *aavesh* > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > ------ > > > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT > > > > > > <http://in.rd./tagline_webmessenger_1/*http://in.messenger.ya > > <http://in.rd./tagline_webmessenger_1/*http://in.messenger.ya > > > hoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php> > > > > from any browser, without download. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Chandra Sir, I am confused by your statements. " Her appearance also does not seem to fit the lagna with Saturn there. " Why do you say? Saturn fits your sad face and widowhood just like Indira. " Her being away from her land of birth too does not appear to be shown by the chart " . With Rahu in 12th to moon and LL in 12th, what more should we look for? Europe & US from 1850 have very accurate recordings of birth and death. So It will be very difficult to tweak date and year of birth. Strong Venus shows her rise thru marriage. But when she entered politics congress was in a very weak position. Another reason, I feel it is correct is the oath taking of Manmohan singh on Saturday, 5:30pm, Gemini moon sign, libra asc, may 22nd, 2004 and her sade sani period. I know this is a never ending argument. But I am interested in the 2 reasons atleast for the case of my learning. Sridhar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Aavesh, > > She does have a Malavya yoga. Venus is strong n navamsha too. Two > malefics are in upachaya. Yet as you rightly said, the strength of yogas > is not to the extent expected. Her appearance also does not seem to fit > the lagna with Saturn there. Her being away from her land of birth too > does not appear to be shown by the chart. With celebrities one does not > know as to whether one is getting the right chart. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > aavesh t wrote: > > *Namaskar Chandrashekarji and Lalitji,* > > ** > > *Is this her actual chart ??* > > ** > > *There seem to be no prominent Rajyogas to justify her present position* > > ** > > *If I am missing something please let me know* > > ** > > *Regards,* > > ** > > *aavesh* > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar/* wrote: > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > I think the place of birth is Orbassano Italy 45N1 7E32 > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > litsol wrote: > >> *Sonia Gandhi's horoscope*: > >> Her birth data available to the author is: > >> Date of birth : > >> *9th Dec.1946 * > >> Time of birth : *21:30 hrs. ( Italian Zonal Standard Time) * > >> Place of birth : *Turin (Italy) 45N03, 07E40* > >> > >> The horoscope drawn for this data, using Chitrapakshiya Ayanamsa, > >> is as follows: > >> > > > > > > > > *With Best Wishes,* > > ** > > *aavesh* > > > > ------ > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT > > <http://in.rd./tagline_webmessenger_1/*http://in.messenger./we\ bmessengerpromo.php> > > from any browser, without download. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Dear Lalit, Whether she worked for it or not, for that strong a raj yoga, the indications have to be in the chart. Again one has to understand that the physical body of the jataka has to match the chart, which this one does not. Take care, Chandrashekhar. litsol wrote: Resp. Chandrashekhar Ji, Namskaar, Sonia has not won the leadership by her work, it is just gifted to her by consequences, she got it like any spouse get's her husband's property after his death. And she even doesnt understand the requirements of our nation, all she knows is her family and congress party is her family affair. She has not expressed her opinion for any of issues india is facing like - reservation, terrorism, economic policies ..., foreign affairs. I dont think She knows any thing.., she is only managing her family business.. and we indians are used to such leaderships. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > > If rising from a small town girl ( some say a waitress) to head of a 100 > years plus party is not rise then what could be? There has to be a very > powerful yoga for this to happen. Then again one's physical > characteristics have also to match the chart before we accept a chart as > the right one. Or at least that is my opinion. > > take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > litsol wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > Here what we are missing is the relativity, rise to a position is a > > relative phinomina. > > > > Sonia's case, if we examine the chart and look at her current status, > > she is absolutely no where, have been no where, i mean held no > > position, she never had a good profession but enjoyed all what venus > > conferred on her. I dont know much about arudha, she is having a > > strong arudha, even arudha too is not sweet, BJP always highlights > > her foreign origin and in case of quatrochi, we have seen she prefers > > family links to principles. > > > > mars in 6'th in own sign, gives good support form co - workers, this > > is giving her strength within the party. > > > > As Sridhar sir has clerly explained saturn has gifted her lots of > > sacrifice and sadness is always seen in her face, she is still in a > > phase of keep the party in the order. > > > > Problem is her son, Problem is her daughters marriage to a > > insignificant low family with no intellectuality. Unless, Priyanka > > also shows signs of sacrifice, she is not going to win indian heart. > > simply put, road shows will not work,thus decline of the family is > > not far off. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > > > She does have a Malavya yoga. Venus is strong n navamsha too. Two > > > malefics are in upachaya. Yet as you rightly said, the strength of > > yogas > > > is not to the extent expected. Her appearance also does not seem to > > fit > > > the lagna with Saturn there. Her being away from her land of birth > > too > > > does not appear to be shown by the chart. With celebrities one does > > not > > > know as to whether one is getting the right chart. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > aavesh t wrote: > > > > *Namaskar Chandrashekarji and Lalitji,* > > > > ** > > > > *Is this her actual chart ??* > > > > ** > > > > *There seem to be no prominent Rajyogas to justify her present > > position* > > > > ** > > > > *If I am missing something please let me know* > > > > ** > > > > *Regards,* > > > > ** > > > > *aavesh* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > I think the place of birth is Orbassano Italy 45N1 7E32 > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > litsol wrote: > > > >> *Sonia Gandhi's horoscope*: > > > >> Her birth data available to the author is: > > > >> Date of birth : > > > >> *9th Dec.1946 * > > > >> Time of birth : *21:30 hrs. ( Italian Zonal Standard > > Time) * > > > >> Place of birth : *Turin (Italy) 45N03, 07E40* > > > >> > > > >> The horoscope drawn for this data, using Chitrapakshiya > > Ayanamsa, > > > >> is as follows: > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *With Best Wishes,* > > > > ** > > > > *aavesh* > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > ------ > > > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT > > > > > > <http://in.rd./tagline_webmessenger_1/*http://in.messenger.ya > > <http://in.rd./tagline_webmessenger_1/*http://in.messenger.ya > > > hoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php> > > > > from any browser, without download. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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