Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Lalitji, lord of 1st and 8th is lord of sustana (1st) and lord of dustana (8th) - It cannot be considered fully beneficial. As lord of 8th house, it can not only bring longevity but also debts and diseases. Planet will give resutls for everything - both benefic and malefic Regards Kiran Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol wrote: > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars for Aries > Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th and 8'th eg - Jup for Leo > Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th or 8'th not considered > bad. > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for Gemini > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, mixed > results we should derive. > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > regards, > Lalit. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Dear Kiran ji, Thanx for the views, I m agreed to ur viewpoint, however, I have no chart to vaerify this,i also think, this placement will give him power to overcome debts, he should be able to pay off the debts, how, by other' help or by his own long term savings.... i need senior's opinion on this. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama wrote: > > Lalitji, > lord of 1st and 8th is lord of sustana (1st) and lord of dustana (8th) > - It cannot be considered fully beneficial. > As lord of 8th house, it can not only bring longevity but also debts > and diseases. > > Planet will give resutls for everything > - both benefic and malefic > > Regards > Kiran > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars for Aries > > Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th and 8'th eg - Jup for Leo > > Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th or 8'th not considered > > bad. > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for Gemini > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, mixed > > results we should derive. > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Dear lalit and Kiran I have Libra lagna and exalted Venus which is 6th house. It is also assocaited with Ketu about 5 degrre apart and Sun about 20 degree apart. Till now now I have reasonaly fortunate life. I never have spare cash though whenever I need it it appears BTW an email entitled How to look at chart - Let's burn the concepts of benific/malific is going on where was the original tread. I have been dying to burn out the concept of these HARE RAMA KRSNA pl analyse kamal - litsol Vedic Astrologyandhealing Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:52 AM [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House Dear Kiran ji,Thanx for the views, I m agreed to ur viewpoint, however, I have no chart to vaerify this,i also think, this placement will give him power to overcome debts, he should be able to pay off the debts, how, by other' help or by his own long term savings.... i need senior's opinion on this.regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "kiran.rama" <kiran.rama wrote:>> Lalitji,> lord of 1st and 8th is lord of sustana (1st) and lord of dustana (8th)> - It cannot be considered fully beneficial.> As lord of 8th house, it can not only bring longevity but also debts> and diseases. > > Planet will give resutls for everything > - both benefic and malefic> > Regards> Kiran> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol" <litsol@>> wrote:> >> > > > Dear Group/Elders,> > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -> > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars for Aries> > Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad.> > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th and 8'th eg - Jup for Leo> > Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th or 8'th not considered> > bad.> > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for Gemini> > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.> > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, mixed> > results we should derive.> > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also.> > > > regards,> > Lalit.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Dear Lalit, They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha analysis. The results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha owns a good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not considered a functional benefic. Chandrashekhar. litsol wrote: Dear Group/Elders, Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars for Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th and 8'th eg - Jup for Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th or 8'th not considered bad. c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for Gemini Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, mixed results we should derive. I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. regards, Lalit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 kamalji, datetime and place of birth pls. regards kiran Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Vedic Learner " <sightsolutions wrote: > > Dear lalit and Kiran > > I have Libra lagna and exalted Venus which is 6th house. It is also assocaited with Ketu about 5 degrre apart and Sun about 20 degree apart. > > Till now now I have reasonaly fortunate life. I never have spare cash though whenever I need it it appears > > BTW an email entitled > How to look at chart - Let's burn the concepts of benific/malific > > > > is going on where was the original tread. I have been dying to burn out the concept of these > > > HARE RAMA KRSNA > pl analyse > > kamal > - > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:52 AM > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House > > > Dear Kiran ji, > > Thanx for the views, I m agreed to ur viewpoint, however, I have no > chart to vaerify this,i also think, this placement will give him > power to overcome debts, he should be able to pay off the debts, how, > by other' help or by his own long term savings.... i need senior's > opinion on this. > > regards, > Lalit. > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " kiran.rama " > <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > Lalitji, > > lord of 1st and 8th is lord of sustana (1st) and lord of dustana > (8th) > > - It cannot be considered fully beneficial. > > As lord of 8th house, it can not only bring longevity but also debts > > and diseases. > > > > Planet will give resutls for everything > > - both benefic and malefic > > > > Regards > > Kiran > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars for > Aries > > > Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th and 8'th eg - Jup > for Leo > > > Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th or 8'th not > considered > > > bad. > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for > Gemini > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, mixed > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Chandrashekhar ji Namaste As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since it is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or trine to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be treated as Shubha. Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha analysis. The > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha owns a > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not considered a > functional benefic. > > Chandrashekhar. > > litsol wrote: > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars for > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - Jup for > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th not > > considered bad. > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for Gemini > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, mixed > > results we should derive. > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Prabodh ji, Namskaar and thanx, Shubha is ok, but group wishes to get more subtle findings from u, like shubha in what respects and if less shubha then in what respects. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Prabodh Vekhande " <amolmandar wrote: > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since it > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or trine > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be treated > as Shubha. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha > analysis. The > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha > owns a > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not considered a > > functional benefic. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars for > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - Jup > for > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th not > > > considered bad. > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for > Gemini > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, > mixed > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Dear Lalit ji Shubha in astrological terms usually means " Enhancing the positive results of the good house it owns and supressing almost totally the bad effects of bad house it owns " As regards to insight, I am really not capable of that. Please ask GURUs for it. Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol wrote: > > Prabodh ji, > > Namskaar and thanx, Shubha is ok, but group wishes to get more subtle > findings from u, like shubha in what respects and if less shubha then > in what respects. > > regards, > Lalit. > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Prabodh Vekhande " > <amolmandar@> wrote: > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since > it > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or > trine > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be > treated > > as Shubha. > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha > > analysis. The > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha > > owns a > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not considered > a > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars > for > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - > Jup > > for > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th > not > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for > > Gemini > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, > > mixed > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Dear Prabodh, Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only when such a graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not to be considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only by being the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka, with its approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation) for your ready reference. ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>, bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or 8th house he gives benefic results. Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let me know which shloka you are referring to. Take care, Chandrashekhar. Prabodh Vekhande wrote: Chandrashekhar ji Namaste As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since it is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or trine to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be treated as Shubha. Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha analysis. The > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha owns a > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not considered a > functional benefic. > > Chandrashekhar. > > litsol wrote: > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars for > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - Jup for > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th not > > considered bad. > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for Gemini > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, mixed > > results we should derive. > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 8H is dustana - only good thing from it is longevity and efficiency of work. Rest all are bad like debt, diseases, ill fame, occult studies, disgrace etc. 8H Lord will give good results if he is in a sustana or if a benefic is in the 8H. 8H Lord in 8H is an exception. It will give good results though in dustana. No house lord will do harm to his own house regards kiran Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Prabodh, > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only when such a > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not to be > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only by being > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka, with its > approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation) for > your ready reference. > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>, > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to 9^th > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or 8^th > house he gives benefic results._ > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let me know > which shloka you are referring to. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since it > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or trine > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be treated > > as Shubha. > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha > > analysis. The > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha > > owns a > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not considered a > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars for > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - Jup > > for > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th not > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for > > Gemini > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, > > mixed > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Chandrashekhar ji First it says " Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada " Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th house. then it goes on " lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH " But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become benefic. It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. Atleast in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. Which one to read and follow? Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Prabodh, > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only when such a > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not to be > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only by being > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka, with its > approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation) for > your ready reference. > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>, > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to 9^th > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or 8^th > house he gives benefic results._ > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let me know > which shloka you are referring to. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since it > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or trine > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be treated > > as Shubha. > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha > > analysis. The > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha > > owns a > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not considered a > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars for > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - Jup > > for > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th not > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for > > Gemini > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, > > mixed > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Dear Prabodh Ji, Let's check it with the help of couple of horoscopes. That will be a great help to all of us from our Gurus like u. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Prabodh Vekhande " <amolmandar wrote: > > Chandrashekhar ji > > First it says > > " Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada " > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th > house. > then it goes on > > " lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH " > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become benefic. > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. Atleast > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. Which > one to read and follow? > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only when > such a > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not to be > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only by > being > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka, > with its > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation) > for > > your ready reference. > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>, > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to 9^th > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or > 8^th > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let me > know > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since > it > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or > trine > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be > treated > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha > > > analysis. The > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha > > > owns a > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not > considered a > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars > for > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - Jup > > > for > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th > not > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for > > > Gemini > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, > > > mixed > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Dear Prabodh, I am sure that you are aware that Laghu Parashari was always available in manuscript form and also called Ududaya Pradeep. BPHS was either compilation of shlokas from various pandits who remembered them or from manuscripts that had different shloka amongst themselves. So it is safer to go with What is available in Laghu Parashari from whose shloka I quoted. The same also appears in most of the other editions of BPHS and does make sense. The reason is the following shloka: xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid, dharmakarmädhinetärau randhraläbhädhipau yadi | tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22. tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù ||22|| If lord of the 9th or 10th are also lords of 8th or 11th these associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga. I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition should have that shloka. Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the 9th due to simultaneously owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear. Chandrashekhar. Prabodh Vekhande wrote: Chandrashekhar ji First it says "Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada" Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th house. then it goes on "lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH" But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become benefic. It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. Atleast in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. Which one to read and follow? Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Prabodh, > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only when such a > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not to be > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only by being > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka, with its > approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation) for > your ready reference. > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>, > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to 9^th > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or 8^th > house he gives benefic results._ > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let me know > which shloka you are referring to. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since it > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or trine > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be treated > > as Shubha. > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha > > analysis. The > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha > > owns a > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not considered a > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars for > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - Jup > > for > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th not > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for > > Gemini > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, > > mixed > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Dear Prabodh when you said triconesh i| belive you are includinmg lagnesh also thanks kamal - Prabodh Vekhande Vedic Astrologyandhealing Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:46 AM [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House Chandrashekhar ji First it says"Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada"Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th house. then it goes on"lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH"But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become benefic.It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. Atleast in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. Which one to read and follow?Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.Prabodh VekhandeJai Jai ShankarHar Har ShankarVedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Prabodh,> > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only when such a > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not to be > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only by being > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka, with its > approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation) for > your ready reference.> > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>,> > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù |> > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9.> > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9||> > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to 9^th > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or 8^th > house he gives benefic results._> > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let me know > which shloka you are referring to.> > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:> >> > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste> >> > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be> > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since it> > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or trine> > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be treated> > as Shubha.> >> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.> >> > Prabodh Vekhande> > Jai Jai Shankar> > Har Har Shankar> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > >> > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha> > analysis. The> > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha> > owns a> > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not considered a> > > functional benefic.> > >> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > > litsol wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Group/Elders,> > > >> > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -> > > >> > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars for> > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad.> > > >> > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - Jup> > for> > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th not> > > > considered bad.> > > >> > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for> > Gemini> > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.> > > >> > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also,> > mixed> > > > results we should derive.> > > >> > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Dear Kamal, I always wanted to give emphasis on why trikonesh placed in kendra or kendresh placed in trikona gives good results, why it forms a yoga. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Vedic Learner " <sightsolutions wrote: > > Dear Prabodh > when you said triconesh i| belive you are includinmg lagnesh also > > thanks > > kamal > - > Prabodh Vekhande > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:46 AM > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House > > > Chandrashekhar ji > > First it says > > " Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada " > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th > house. > then it goes on > > " lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH " > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become benefic. > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. Atleast > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. Which > one to read and follow? > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only when > such a > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not to be > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only by > being > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka, > with its > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation) > for > > your ready reference. > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>, > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to 9^th > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or > 8^th > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let me > know > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since > it > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or > trine > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be > treated > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha > > > analysis. The > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha > > > owns a > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not > considered a > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars > for > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - Jup > > > for > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th > not > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for > > > Gemini > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, > > > mixed > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Dear Kamal Namaste Actually it should be Lagnesh and Trikonesh. Shloka explicitly mentions about Lagnesh and Trikonesh by the first word " lagnatrikonapavashat " . Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Vedic Learner " <sightsolutions wrote: > > Dear Prabodh > when you said triconesh i| belive you are includinmg lagnesh also > > thanks > > kamal > - > Prabodh Vekhande > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:46 AM > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House > > > Chandrashekhar ji > > First it says > > " Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada " > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th > house. > then it goes on > > " lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH " > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become benefic. > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. Atleast > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. Which > one to read and follow? > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only when > such a > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not to be > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only by > being > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka, > with its > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation) > for > > your ready reference. > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>, > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to 9^th > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or > 8^th > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let me > know > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since > it > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or > trine > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be > treated > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha > > > analysis. The > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha > > > owns a > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not > considered a > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars > for > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - Jup > > > for > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th > not > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for > > > Gemini > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, > > > mixed > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste Should we not take general and specific rule into consideration? Like being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I mean only Shubha (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of 9th and 10th and their Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be without blemish. Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY) because of graha holding 3,6,8,11 as well. That is why for Mithuna Shani is Shubha(FB) but being 8th lord as well when gets associated with 10th lord Guru does not lead to RY. So I see it as Mesha 9th lord Guru is Shubha and is 12th lord so qualifies as RYK 10th lord Shani is lord of 11th as well hence can not give RYK even if involved with 9th lord Guru. Vrishabha Shani RYK as 9th and 10th lord Mithuna Shani is Shubha but being 8th lord can not lead to RYK even if invloved with 10th lord Guru. Karka Guru is Benefic but RYK is only Mangal. Guru is 6th lord as well so not RYK status. Simha 9th lord Mangal is RYK but 10th lord Shukra is as well 3rd lord so its association with Mangal does not lead to RY. Kanya 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 2nd hence RYK along with 10th lord Budha. Tula 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 12th hence RYK along with 10th lord Chandra . Vrichika Surya-Chandra RYK Dhanu Surya Budha RYK Makara 9th lord Budha is benefic but being 6th lord does not lead to RYK Kumbha Shukar only RYK as 10th lord Mangal is 3rd lord as well Meena 9th lord is benefic and since takes 2nd lordship leads to RYK along with 10th lord Guru. So what I understand by Parashara is that 1) Trikonesh(9th and 5th Lord) are alwyas Benefic but 9th lord may not lead to Rajyoga if owns (3,6,8,11). 2) When Lagnesh is NB and 6th lord(Shukra for Vrishabha),it is Ashubha and when it is NM and 6th lord(Mangal for Vrishcika),it is Sama-Shubha When Lagnesh is NB and 8th lord(Shukra for Tula),it is Sama-Shubha and when it is NM and 8th lord( Mangal for Mesha), it is Shubha. As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those portions of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari? Should we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Prabodh, > > I am sure that you are aware that Laghu Parashari was always available > in manuscript form and also called Ududaya Pradeep. BPHS was either > compilation of shlokas from various pandits who remembered them or from > manuscripts that had different shloka amongst themselves. So it is safer > to go with What is available in Laghu Parashari from whose shloka I > quoted. The same also appears in most of the other editions of BPHS and > does make sense. The reason is the following shloka: > > xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid, > > dharmakarmädhinetärau randhraläbhädhipau yadi | > > tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22. > > tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù ||22|| > > _ _ > > _If lord of the 9^th or 10^th are also lords of 8^th or 11^th these > associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga._ > > > I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition should have that shloka. > Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the 9th due to simultaneously > owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > Chandrashekhar ji > > > > First it says > > > > " Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada " > > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th > > house. > > then it goes on > > > > " lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH " > > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become benefic. > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. Atleast > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. Which > > one to read and follow? > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only when > > such a > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not to be > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only by > > being > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka, > > with its > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation) > > for > > > your ready reference. > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>, > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to 9^th > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or > > 8^th > > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let me > > know > > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since > > it > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or > > trine > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be > > treated > > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha > > > > analysis. The > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha > > > > owns a > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not > > considered a > > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars > > for > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - Jup > > > > for > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th > > not > > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for > > > > Gemini > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, > > > > mixed > > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Dear Prabodh, Can you make it clear as to what you meant by Benefic in the original post, if not functional benefic? So why the distinction between Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so at this stage? I do not find any such distinction in the shlokas of BPHS. Do you? If I remember right, Parashara says that for Mithuna lagna only Shukra is shubha. Chandrashekhar. Prabodh Vekhande wrote: Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste Should we not take general and specific rule into consideration? Like being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I mean only Shubha (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of 9th and 10th and their Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be without blemish. Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY) because of graha holding 3,6,8,11 as well. That is why for Mithuna Shani is Shubha(FB) but being 8th lord as well when gets associated with 10th lord Guru does not lead to RY. So I see it as Mesha 9th lord Guru is Shubha and is 12th lord so qualifies as RYK 10th lord Shani is lord of 11th as well hence can not give RYK even if involved with 9th lord Guru. Vrishabha Shani RYK as 9th and 10th lord Mithuna Shani is Shubha but being 8th lord can not lead to RYK even if invloved with 10th lord Guru. Karka Guru is Benefic but RYK is only Mangal. Guru is 6th lord as well so not RYK status. Simha 9th lord Mangal is RYK but 10th lord Shukra is as well 3rd lord so its association with Mangal does not lead to RY. Kanya 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 2nd hence RYK along with 10th lord Budha. Tula 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 12th hence RYK along with 10th lord Chandra . Vrichika Surya-Chandra RYK Dhanu Surya Budha RYK Makara 9th lord Budha is benefic but being 6th lord does not lead to RYK Kumbha Shukar only RYK as 10th lord Mangal is 3rd lord as well Meena 9th lord is benefic and since takes 2nd lordship leads to RYK along with 10th lord Guru. So what I understand by Parashara is that 1) Trikonesh(9th and 5th Lord) are alwyas Benefic but 9th lord may not lead to Rajyoga if owns (3,6,8,11). 2) When Lagnesh is NB and 6th lord(Shukra for Vrishabha),it is Ashubha and when it is NM and 6th lord(Mangal for Vrishcika),it is Sama-Shubha When Lagnesh is NB and 8th lord(Shukra for Tula),it is Sama-Shubha and when it is NM and 8th lord( Mangal for Mesha), it is Shubha. As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those portions of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari? Should we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Prabodh, > > I am sure that you are aware that Laghu Parashari was always available > in manuscript form and also called Ududaya Pradeep. BPHS was either > compilation of shlokas from various pandits who remembered them or from > manuscripts that had different shloka amongst themselves. So it is safer > to go with What is available in Laghu Parashari from whose shloka I > quoted. The same also appears in most of the other editions of BPHS and > does make sense. The reason is the following shloka: > > xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid, > > dharmakarmädhinetärau randhraläbhädhipau yadi | > > tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22. > > tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù ||22|| > > _ _ > > _If lord of the 9^th or 10^th are also lords of 8^th or 11^th these > associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga._ > > > I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition should have that shloka. > Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the 9th due to simultaneously > owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > Chandrashekhar ji > > > > First it says > > > > "Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada" > > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th > > house. > > then it goes on > > > > "lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH" > > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become benefic. > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. Atleast > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. Which > > one to read and follow? > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only when > > such a > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not to be > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only by > > being > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka, > > with its > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation) > > for > > > your ready reference. > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>, > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to 9^th > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or > > 8^th > > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let me > > know > > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since > > it > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or > > trine > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be > > treated > > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha > > > > analysis. The > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha > > > > owns a > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not > > considered a > > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars > > for > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - Jup > > > > for > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th > > not > > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for > > > > Gemini > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, > > > > mixed > > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 Chandrashekhar ji Namaste >So why the distinction between > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so at this > stage? There is no distinction from my side. Trikonesh(5th/9th) is FB(Shubha) but every FB(Shubha) is not YK. 9th lord along with 10th lord can lead to YK. To avoid repetition BPHS has indicated many things by necessary connotation though not expressed directly. That is the reason,why BPHS has not said anything about Shubha or Ashubha of shani for Budha's lagna. Like, since before describing specific lagna, it has discussed in general Shubhashubha of Bhava-Bhavesh. In that it clearly says that " TrikoneshaH ShubhaH SmrutaH " . Keeping this in mind if intreprete shlokas of specific lagna we may get correct results. > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those portions > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari? Should > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? Since you ignored this question what should we follow? Laghu Parashari or Guru Parahari? Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Prabodh, > > Can you make it clear as to what you meant by Benefic in the original > post, if not functional benefic? So why the distinction between > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so at this > stage? I do not find any such distinction in the shlokas of BPHS. Do > you? If I remember right, Parashara says that for Mithuna lagna only > Shukra is shubha. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste > > > > Should we not take general and specific rule into consideration? Like > > being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I mean only Shubha > > (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of 9th and 10th and their > > Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be without blemish. > > Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY) because of graha > > holding 3,6,8,11 as well. That is why for Mithuna Shani is Shubha (FB) > > but being 8th lord as well when gets associated with 10th lord Guru > > does not lead to RY. > > > > So I see it as > > > > Mesha > > > > 9th lord Guru is Shubha and is 12th lord so qualifies as RYK > > 10th lord Shani is lord of 11th as well hence can not give RYK even > > if involved with 9th lord Guru. > > > > Vrishabha > > Shani RYK as 9th and 10th lord > > Mithuna > > Shani is Shubha but being 8th lord can not lead to RYK even if > > invloved with 10th lord Guru. > > Karka > > Guru is Benefic but RYK is only Mangal. Guru is 6th lord as well so > > not RYK status. > > Simha > > 9th lord Mangal is RYK but 10th lord Shukra is as well 3rd lord so > > its association with Mangal does not lead to RY. > > Kanya > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 2nd hence RYK along with 10th lord > > Budha. > > Tula > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 12th hence RYK along with 10th > > lord Chandra . > > Vrichika > > Surya-Chandra RYK > > Dhanu > > Surya Budha RYK > > Makara > > 9th lord Budha is benefic but being 6th lord does not lead to RYK > > Kumbha > > Shukar only RYK as 10th lord Mangal is 3rd lord as well > > Meena > > 9th lord is benefic and since takes 2nd lordship leads to RYK along > > with 10th lord Guru. > > > > So what I understand by Parashara is that > > > > 1) > > Trikonesh(9th and 5th Lord) are alwyas Benefic but 9th lord may not > > lead to Rajyoga if owns (3,6,8,11). > > 2) > > When Lagnesh is NB and 6th lord(Shukra for Vrishabha),it is Ashubha > > and when it is NM and 6th lord(Mangal for Vrishcika),it is Sama- Shubha > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 8th lord(Shukra for Tula),it is Sama-Shubha > > and when it is NM and 8th lord( Mangal for Mesha), it is Shubha. > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those portions > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari? Should > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > I am sure that you are aware that Laghu Parashari was always > > available > > > in manuscript form and also called Ududaya Pradeep. BPHS was > > either > > > compilation of shlokas from various pandits who remembered them or > > from > > > manuscripts that had different shloka amongst themselves. So it is > > safer > > > to go with What is available in Laghu Parashari from whose shloka I > > > quoted. The same also appears in most of the other editions of BPHS > > and > > > does make sense. The reason is the following shloka: > > > > > > xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid, > > > > > > dharmakarmädhinetärau randhraläbhädhipau yadi | > > > > > > tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22. > > > > > > tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù ||22|| > > > > > > _ _ > > > > > > _If lord of the 9^th or 10^th are also lords of 8^th or 11^th these > > > associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga._ > > > > > > > > > I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition should have that > > shloka. > > > Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the 9th due to > > simultaneously > > > owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > First it says > > > > > > > > " Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada " > > > > > > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th > > > > house. > > > > then it goes on > > > > > > > > " lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH " > > > > > > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become > > benefic. > > > > > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. > > Atleast > > > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. > > Which > > > > one to read and follow? > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only > > when > > > > such a > > > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not > > to be > > > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only > > by > > > > being > > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka, > > > > with its > > > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation) > > > > for > > > > > your ready reference. > > > > > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>, > > > > > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to > > 9^th > > > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or > > > > 8^th > > > > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let > > me > > > > know > > > > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be > > > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha > > since > > > > it > > > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th > > or > > > > trine > > > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be > > > > treated > > > > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha > > > > > > analysis. The > > > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the > > graha > > > > > > owns a > > > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not > > > > considered a > > > > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - > > Mars > > > > for > > > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - > > Jup > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or > > *8'th > > > > not > > > > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - > > Sat for > > > > > > Gemini > > > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good > > also, > > > > > > mixed > > > > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 Dear Prabodh, I am really confused as to what you mean by FB and what is shubha, according to you. May be at my age the cryptic use of initials is too much to grasp. But did you not say "I mean only Shubha (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak" ? and then that the shubhas should be without blemish. Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so (what you designate as FB) if blemished. But then my comprehension could be wrong. Chandrashekhar. Prabodh Vekhande wrote: Chandrashekhar ji Namaste >So why the distinction between > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so at this > stage? There is no distinction from my side. Trikonesh(5th/9th) is FB(Shubha) but every FB(Shubha) is not YK. 9th lord along with 10th lord can lead to YK. To avoid repetition BPHS has indicated many things by necessary connotation though not expressed directly. That is the reason,why BPHS has not said anything about Shubha or Ashubha of shani for Budha's lagna. Like, since before describing specific lagna, it has discussed in general Shubhashubha of Bhava-Bhavesh. In that it clearly says that "TrikoneshaH ShubhaH SmrutaH". Keeping this in mind if intreprete shlokas of specific lagna we may get correct results. > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those portions > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari? Should > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? Since you ignored this question what should we follow? Laghu Parashari or Guru Parahari? Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Prabodh, > > Can you make it clear as to what you meant by Benefic in the original > post, if not functional benefic? So why the distinction between > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so at this > stage? I do not find any such distinction in the shlokas of BPHS. Do > you? If I remember right, Parashara says that for Mithuna lagna only > Shukra is shubha. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste > > > > Should we not take general and specific rule into consideration? Like > > being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I mean only Shubha > > (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of 9th and 10th and their > > Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be without blemish. > > Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY) because of graha > > holding 3,6,8,11 as well. That is why for Mithuna Shani is Shubha (FB) > > but being 8th lord as well when gets associated with 10th lord Guru > > does not lead to RY. > > > > So I see it as > > > > Mesha > > > > 9th lord Guru is Shubha and is 12th lord so qualifies as RYK > > 10th lord Shani is lord of 11th as well hence can not give RYK even > > if involved with 9th lord Guru. > > > > Vrishabha > > Shani RYK as 9th and 10th lord > > Mithuna > > Shani is Shubha but being 8th lord can not lead to RYK even if > > invloved with 10th lord Guru. > > Karka > > Guru is Benefic but RYK is only Mangal. Guru is 6th lord as well so > > not RYK status. > > Simha > > 9th lord Mangal is RYK but 10th lord Shukra is as well 3rd lord so > > its association with Mangal does not lead to RY. > > Kanya > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 2nd hence RYK along with 10th lord > > Budha. > > Tula > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 12th hence RYK along with 10th > > lord Chandra . > > Vrichika > > Surya-Chandra RYK > > Dhanu > > Surya Budha RYK > > Makara > > 9th lord Budha is benefic but being 6th lord does not lead to RYK > > Kumbha > > Shukar only RYK as 10th lord Mangal is 3rd lord as well > > Meena > > 9th lord is benefic and since takes 2nd lordship leads to RYK along > > with 10th lord Guru. > > > > So what I understand by Parashara is that > > > > 1) > > Trikonesh(9th and 5th Lord) are alwyas Benefic but 9th lord may not > > lead to Rajyoga if owns (3,6,8,11). > > 2) > > When Lagnesh is NB and 6th lord(Shukra for Vrishabha),it is Ashubha > > and when it is NM and 6th lord(Mangal for Vrishcika),it is Sama- Shubha > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 8th lord(Shukra for Tula),it is Sama-Shubha > > and when it is NM and 8th lord( Mangal for Mesha), it is Shubha. > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those portions > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari? Should > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > I am sure that you are aware that Laghu Parashari was always > > available > > > in manuscript form and also called Ududaya Pradeep. BPHS was > > either > > > compilation of shlokas from various pandits who remembered them or > > from > > > manuscripts that had different shloka amongst themselves. So it is > > safer > > > to go with What is available in Laghu Parashari from whose shloka I > > > quoted. The same also appears in most of the other editions of BPHS > > and > > > does make sense. The reason is the following shloka: > > > > > > xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid, > > > > > > dharmakarmädhinetärau randhraläbhädhipau yadi | > > > > > > tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22. > > > > > > tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù ||22|| > > > > > > _ _ > > > > > > _If lord of the 9^th or 10^th are also lords of 8^th or 11^th these > > > associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga._ > > > > > > > > > I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition should have that > > shloka. > > > Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the 9th due to > > simultaneously > > > owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > First it says > > > > > > > > "Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada" > > > > > > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th > > > > house. > > > > then it goes on > > > > > > > > "lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH" > > > > > > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become > > benefic. > > > > > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. > > Atleast > > > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. > > Which > > > > one to read and follow? > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only > > when > > > > such a > > > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not > > to be > > > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only > > by > > > > being > > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka, > > > > with its > > > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation) > > > > for > > > > > your ready reference. > > > > > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>, > > > > > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to > > 9^th > > > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or > > > > 8^th > > > > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let > > me > > > > know > > > > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be > > > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha > > since > > > > it > > > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th > > or > > > > trine > > > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be > > > > treated > > > > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha > > > > > > analysis. The > > > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the > > graha > > > > > > owns a > > > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not > > > > considered a > > > > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - > > Mars > > > > for > > > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - > > Jup > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or > > *8'th > > > > not > > > > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - > > Sat for > > > > > > Gemini > > > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good > > also, > > > > > > mixed > > > > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste I am really sorry for my quality of english. I will try again. I did say that only Shubha(FB) can be RYK. That is if a graha has to lead to Rajyoga, it must satisfy some conditions. 1) It must be Shubha or Functional Benefic. 1.1) Shubha or FB means lord of 5th and 9th. 2) only 9th lord can lead to Rajyoga 3) This 9th lord( which is always Shubha or FB) must have some sambandha with 10th lord. 4) This 9th lord should not be with blemish. Blemish is for behaving as Rajyogakarak and blemish does not mean loss of Shubhatva. 4.1) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of lordship of 3,6,8,11 simultaneously. 4.2) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of it 'Sambandha' with 10th lord that has blemish. >Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so (what you > designate as FB) if blemished. No. Slight correction. Read together it means that Shubha is not Rajyogakaraka, if blemished. I hope this time I made no mistake in my english! Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Prabodh, > > I am really confused as to what you mean by FB and what is shubha, > according to you. May be at my age the cryptic use of initials is too > much to grasp. But did you not say " I mean only Shubha (FB)can be > qualified as Rajyogakarak " ? and then that the shubhas should be without > blemish. Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so (what you > designate as FB) if blemished. But then my comprehension could be wrong. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > >So why the distinction between > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so at this > > > stage? > > > > There is no distinction from my side. Trikonesh(5th/9th) is FB (Shubha) > > but every FB(Shubha) is not YK. 9th lord along with 10th lord can > > lead to YK. To avoid repetition BPHS has indicated many things by > > necessary connotation though not expressed directly. That is the > > reason,why BPHS has not said anything about Shubha or Ashubha of > > shani for Budha's lagna. > > Like, since before describing specific lagna, it has discussed in > > general Shubhashubha of Bhava-Bhavesh. In that it clearly says > > that " TrikoneshaH ShubhaH SmrutaH " . Keeping this in mind if > > intreprete shlokas of specific lagna we may get correct results. > > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those > > portions > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari? > > Should > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? > > > > Since you ignored this question what should we follow? Laghu > > Parashari or Guru Parahari? > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > Can you make it clear as to what you meant by Benefic in the > > original > > > post, if not functional benefic? So why the distinction between > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so at this > > > stage? I do not find any such distinction in the shlokas of BPHS. > > Do > > > you? If I remember right, Parashara says that for Mithuna lagna > > only > > > Shukra is shubha. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste > > > > > > > > Should we not take general and specific rule into consideration? > > Like > > > > being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I mean only > > Shubha > > > > (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of 9th and 10th and > > their > > > > Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be without > > blemish. > > > > Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY) because of graha > > > > holding 3,6,8,11 as well. That is why for Mithuna Shani is Shubha > > (FB) > > > > but being 8th lord as well when gets associated with 10th lord > > Guru > > > > does not lead to RY. > > > > > > > > So I see it as > > > > > > > > Mesha > > > > > > > > 9th lord Guru is Shubha and is 12th lord so qualifies as RYK > > > > 10th lord Shani is lord of 11th as well hence can not give RYK > > even > > > > if involved with 9th lord Guru. > > > > > > > > Vrishabha > > > > Shani RYK as 9th and 10th lord > > > > Mithuna > > > > Shani is Shubha but being 8th lord can not lead to RYK even if > > > > invloved with 10th lord Guru. > > > > Karka > > > > Guru is Benefic but RYK is only Mangal. Guru is 6th lord as well > > so > > > > not RYK status. > > > > Simha > > > > 9th lord Mangal is RYK but 10th lord Shukra is as well 3rd lord so > > > > its association with Mangal does not lead to RY. > > > > Kanya > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 2nd hence RYK along with 10th > > lord > > > > Budha. > > > > Tula > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 12th hence RYK along with 10th > > > > lord Chandra . > > > > Vrichika > > > > Surya-Chandra RYK > > > > Dhanu > > > > Surya Budha RYK > > > > Makara > > > > 9th lord Budha is benefic but being 6th lord does not lead to RYK > > > > Kumbha > > > > Shukar only RYK as 10th lord Mangal is 3rd lord as well > > > > Meena > > > > 9th lord is benefic and since takes 2nd lordship leads to RYK > > along > > > > with 10th lord Guru. > > > > > > > > So what I understand by Parashara is that > > > > > > > > 1) > > > > Trikonesh(9th and 5th Lord) are alwyas Benefic but 9th lord may > > not > > > > lead to Rajyoga if owns (3,6,8,11). > > > > 2) > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 6th lord(Shukra for Vrishabha),it is > > Ashubha > > > > and when it is NM and 6th lord(Mangal for Vrishcika),it is Sama- > > Shubha > > > > > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 8th lord(Shukra for Tula),it is Sama- Shubha > > > > and when it is NM and 8th lord( Mangal for Mesha), it is Shubha. > > > > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those > > portions > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari? > > Should > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > I am sure that you are aware that Laghu Parashari was always > > > > available > > > > > in manuscript form and also called Ududaya Pradeep. BPHS was > > > > either > > > > > compilation of shlokas from various pandits who remembered them > > or > > > > from > > > > > manuscripts that had different shloka amongst themselves. So it > > is > > > > safer > > > > > to go with What is available in Laghu Parashari from whose > > shloka I > > > > > quoted. The same also appears in most of the other editions of > > BPHS > > > > and > > > > > does make sense. The reason is the following shloka: > > > > > > > > > > xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid, > > > > > > > > > > dharmakarmädhinetärau randhraläbhädhipau yadi | > > > > > > > > > > tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22. > > > > > > > > > > tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù ||22|| > > > > > > > > > > _ _ > > > > > > > > > > _If lord of the 9^th or 10^th are also lords of 8^th or 11^th > > these > > > > > associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition should have that > > > > shloka. > > > > > Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the 9th due to > > > > simultaneously > > > > > owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > First it says > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada " > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to > > 9th > > > > > > house. > > > > > > then it goes on > > > > > > > > > > > > " lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH " > > > > > > > > > > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become > > > > benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. > > > > Atleast > > > > > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. > > > > Which > > > > > > one to read and follow? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only > > > > when > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is > > not > > > > to be > > > > > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha > > only > > > > by > > > > > > being > > > > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the > > shloka, > > > > > > with its > > > > > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English > > translation) > > > > > > for > > > > > > > your ready reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord > > to > > > > 9^th > > > > > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies > > Lagna or > > > > > > 8^th > > > > > > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please > > let > > > > me > > > > > > know > > > > > > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord > > should be > > > > > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is > > ashubha > > > > since > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of > > 9th > > > > or > > > > > > trine > > > > > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence > > should be > > > > > > treated > > > > > > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for > > dasha > > > > > > > > analysis. The > > > > > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if > > the > > > > graha > > > > > > > > owns a > > > > > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not > > > > > > considered a > > > > > > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , > > eg - > > > > Mars > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered > > bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th > > eg - > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or > > > > *8'th > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - > > > > Sat for > > > > > > > > Gemini > > > > > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good > > > > also, > > > > > > > > mixed > > > > > > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Dear Prabodh, Do you mean that lord of the 5th can not lead to Rajyoga? Or is not Rajyogakaraka? If I remember my BPHS well, there are many grahas that are not considered FB and yet can become rajyogakarakas. Chandrashekhar. Prabodh Vekhande wrote: Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste I am really sorry for my quality of english. I will try again. I did say that only Shubha(FB) can be RYK. That is if a graha has to lead to Rajyoga, it must satisfy some conditions. 1) It must be Shubha or Functional Benefic. 1.1) Shubha or FB means lord of 5th and 9th. 2) only 9th lord can lead to Rajyoga 3) This 9th lord( which is always Shubha or FB) must have some sambandha with 10th lord. 4) This 9th lord should not be with blemish. Blemish is for behaving as Rajyogakarak and blemish does not mean loss of Shubhatva. 4.1) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of lordship of 3,6,8,11 simultaneously. 4.2) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of it 'Sambandha' with 10th lord that has blemish. >Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so (what you > designate as FB) if blemished. No. Slight correction. Read together it means that Shubha is not Rajyogakaraka, if blemished. I hope this time I made no mistake in my english! Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Prabodh, > > I am really confused as to what you mean by FB and what is shubha, > according to you. May be at my age the cryptic use of initials is too > much to grasp. But did you not say "I mean only Shubha (FB)can be > qualified as Rajyogakarak" ? and then that the shubhas should be without > blemish. Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so (what you > designate as FB) if blemished. But then my comprehension could be wrong. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > >So why the distinction between > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so at this > > > stage? > > > > There is no distinction from my side. Trikonesh(5th/9th) is FB (Shubha) > > but every FB(Shubha) is not YK. 9th lord along with 10th lord can > > lead to YK. To avoid repetition BPHS has indicated many things by > > necessary connotation though not expressed directly. That is the > > reason,why BPHS has not said anything about Shubha or Ashubha of > > shani for Budha's lagna. > > Like, since before describing specific lagna, it has discussed in > > general Shubhashubha of Bhava-Bhavesh. In that it clearly says > > that "TrikoneshaH ShubhaH SmrutaH". Keeping this in mind if > > intreprete shlokas of specific lagna we may get correct results. > > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those > > portions > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari? > > Should > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? > > > > Since you ignored this question what should we follow? Laghu > > Parashari or Guru Parahari? > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > Can you make it clear as to what you meant by Benefic in the > > original > > > post, if not functional benefic? So why the distinction between > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so at this > > > stage? I do not find any such distinction in the shlokas of BPHS. > > Do > > > you? If I remember right, Parashara says that for Mithuna lagna > > only > > > Shukra is shubha. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste > > > > > > > > Should we not take general and specific rule into consideration? > > Like > > > > being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I mean only > > Shubha > > > > (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of 9th and 10th and > > their > > > > Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be without > > blemish. > > > > Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY) because of graha > > > > holding 3,6,8,11 as well. That is why for Mithuna Shani is Shubha > > (FB) > > > > but being 8th lord as well when gets associated with 10th lord > > Guru > > > > does not lead to RY. > > > > > > > > So I see it as > > > > > > > > Mesha > > > > > > > > 9th lord Guru is Shubha and is 12th lord so qualifies as RYK > > > > 10th lord Shani is lord of 11th as well hence can not give RYK > > even > > > > if involved with 9th lord Guru. > > > > > > > > Vrishabha > > > > Shani RYK as 9th and 10th lord > > > > Mithuna > > > > Shani is Shubha but being 8th lord can not lead to RYK even if > > > > invloved with 10th lord Guru. > > > > Karka > > > > Guru is Benefic but RYK is only Mangal. Guru is 6th lord as well > > so > > > > not RYK status. > > > > Simha > > > > 9th lord Mangal is RYK but 10th lord Shukra is as well 3rd lord so > > > > its association with Mangal does not lead to RY. > > > > Kanya > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 2nd hence RYK along with 10th > > lord > > > > Budha. > > > > Tula > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 12th hence RYK along with 10th > > > > lord Chandra . > > > > Vrichika > > > > Surya-Chandra RYK > > > > Dhanu > > > > Surya Budha RYK > > > > Makara > > > > 9th lord Budha is benefic but being 6th lord does not lead to RYK > > > > Kumbha > > > > Shukar only RYK as 10th lord Mangal is 3rd lord as well > > > > Meena > > > > 9th lord is benefic and since takes 2nd lordship leads to RYK > > along > > > > with 10th lord Guru. > > > > > > > > So what I understand by Parashara is that > > > > > > > > 1) > > > > Trikonesh(9th and 5th Lord) are alwyas Benefic but 9th lord may > > not > > > > lead to Rajyoga if owns (3,6,8,11). > > > > 2) > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 6th lord(Shukra for Vrishabha),it is > > Ashubha > > > > and when it is NM and 6th lord(Mangal for Vrishcika),it is Sama- > > Shubha > > > > > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 8th lord(Shukra for Tula),it is Sama- Shubha > > > > and when it is NM and 8th lord( Mangal for Mesha), it is Shubha. > > > > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those > > portions > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari? > > Should > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > I am sure that you are aware that Laghu Parashari was always > > > > available > > > > > in manuscript form and also called Ududaya Pradeep. BPHS was > > > > either > > > > > compilation of shlokas from various pandits who remembered them > > or > > > > from > > > > > manuscripts that had different shloka amongst themselves. So it > > is > > > > safer > > > > > to go with What is available in Laghu Parashari from whose > > shloka I > > > > > quoted. The same also appears in most of the other editions of > > BPHS > > > > and > > > > > does make sense. The reason is the following shloka: > > > > > > > > > > xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid, > > > > > > > > > > dharmakarmädhinetärau randhraläbhädhipau yadi | > > > > > > > > > > tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22. > > > > > > > > > > tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù ||22|| > > > > > > > > > > _ _ > > > > > > > > > > _If lord of the 9^th or 10^th are also lords of 8^th or 11^th > > these > > > > > associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition should have that > > > > shloka. > > > > > Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the 9th due to > > > > simultaneously > > > > > owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > First it says > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada" > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to > > 9th > > > > > > house. > > > > > > then it goes on > > > > > > > > > > > > "lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH" > > > > > > > > > > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become > > > > benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. > > > > Atleast > > > > > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. > > > > Which > > > > > > one to read and follow? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only > > > > when > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is > > not > > > > to be > > > > > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha > > only > > > > by > > > > > > being > > > > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the > > shloka, > > > > > > with its > > > > > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English > > translation) > > > > > > for > > > > > > > your ready reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord > > to > > > > 9^th > > > > > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies > > Lagna or > > > > > > 8^th > > > > > > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please > > let > > > > me > > > > > > know > > > > > > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord > > should be > > > > > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is > > ashubha > > > > since > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of > > 9th > > > > or > > > > > > trine > > > > > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence > > should be > > > > > > treated > > > > > > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for > > dasha > > > > > > > > analysis. The > > > > > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if > > the > > > > graha > > > > > > > > owns a > > > > > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not > > > > > > considered a > > > > > > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , > > eg - > > > > Mars > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered > > bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th > > eg - > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or > > > > *8'th > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - > > > > Sat for > > > > > > > > Gemini > > > > > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good > > > > also, > > > > > > > > mixed > > > > > > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Chandrashekhar ji Namste I was refering to Yogakarak graha that Parashara has described while discussing FB-FM. Read Tula lagna,Parashara has simply said that Shani and Budha are Shubha(FB) but only Chandra and Budha are Rajyogkarak. " ShanaicharaBudhou Shubhou | Rajyogasya Karakaou ChadratatSutaou|| " Here it is amply clear that although Shani is 5th and 4th lord for Tula lagna but parashara does not qualify it to be Yogakarka but simply qualifies them as Shubha(FB). If we go through shlokas of all the Lagnas where parashara has described Shubha(FB),Ashubha(FM) and Rajyogakarak we get correct idea about it. It is there in 35th adhyaya titled Yogadyaya of BPHS. I know that later in Rajyogadyaa Parashara has given in detail graha that can be Rajyogkarak including Trik lords. But I wanted to be focused with the context in which we had the discussions. Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Prabodh, > > Do you mean that lord of the 5th can not lead to Rajyoga? Or is not > Rajyogakaraka? If I remember my BPHS well, there are many grahas that > are not considered FB and yet can become rajyogakarakas. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste > > > > I am really sorry for my quality of english. I will try again. I did > > say that only Shubha(FB) can be RYK. That is if a graha has to lead > > to Rajyoga, it must satisfy some conditions. > > 1) It must be Shubha or Functional Benefic. > > 1.1) Shubha or FB means lord of 5th and 9th. > > 2) only 9th lord can lead to Rajyoga > > 3) This 9th lord( which is always Shubha or FB) must have some > > sambandha with 10th lord. > > 4) This 9th lord should not be with blemish. Blemish is for behaving > > as Rajyogakarak and blemish does not mean loss of Shubhatva. > > 4.1) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of lordship of 3,6,8,11 > > simultaneously. > > 4.2) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of it 'Sambandha' with 10th > > lord that has blemish. > > > > >Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so (what you > > > designate as FB) if blemished. > > > > No. Slight correction. Read together it means that Shubha is not > > Rajyogakaraka, if blemished. > > > > I hope this time I made no mistake in my english! > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > I am really confused as to what you mean by FB and what is shubha, > > > according to you. May be at my age the cryptic use of initials is > > too > > > much to grasp. But did you not say " I mean only Shubha (FB)can be > > > qualified as Rajyogakarak " ? and then that the shubhas should be > > without > > > blemish. Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so (what > > you > > > designate as FB) if blemished. But then my comprehension could be > > wrong. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > >So why the distinction between > > > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so at > > this > > > > > stage? > > > > > > > > There is no distinction from my side. Trikonesh(5th/9th) is FB > > (Shubha) > > > > but every FB(Shubha) is not YK. 9th lord along with 10th lord can > > > > lead to YK. To avoid repetition BPHS has indicated many things by > > > > necessary connotation though not expressed directly. That is the > > > > reason,why BPHS has not said anything about Shubha or Ashubha of > > > > shani for Budha's lagna. > > > > Like, since before describing specific lagna, it has discussed in > > > > general Shubhashubha of Bhava-Bhavesh. In that it clearly says > > > > that " TrikoneshaH ShubhaH SmrutaH " . Keeping this in mind if > > > > intreprete shlokas of specific lagna we may get correct results. > > > > > > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed > > > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those > > > > portions > > > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari? > > > > Should > > > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? > > > > > > > > Since you ignored this question what should we follow? Laghu > > > > Parashari or Guru Parahari? > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > Can you make it clear as to what you meant by Benefic in the > > > > original > > > > > post, if not functional benefic? So why the distinction between > > > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so at > > this > > > > > stage? I do not find any such distinction in the shlokas of > > BPHS. > > > > Do > > > > > you? If I remember right, Parashara says that for Mithuna lagna > > > > only > > > > > Shukra is shubha. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > Should we not take general and specific rule into > > consideration? > > > > Like > > > > > > being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I mean only > > > > Shubha > > > > > > (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of 9th and 10th and > > > > their > > > > > > Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be without > > > > blemish. > > > > > > Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY) because of > > graha > > > > > > holding 3,6,8,11 as well. That is why for Mithuna Shani is > > Shubha > > > > (FB) > > > > > > but being 8th lord as well when gets associated with 10th lord > > > > Guru > > > > > > does not lead to RY. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I see it as > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesha > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord Guru is Shubha and is 12th lord so qualifies as RYK > > > > > > 10th lord Shani is lord of 11th as well hence can not give RYK > > > > even > > > > > > if involved with 9th lord Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vrishabha > > > > > > Shani RYK as 9th and 10th lord > > > > > > Mithuna > > > > > > Shani is Shubha but being 8th lord can not lead to RYK even if > > > > > > invloved with 10th lord Guru. > > > > > > Karka > > > > > > Guru is Benefic but RYK is only Mangal. Guru is 6th lord as > > well > > > > so > > > > > > not RYK status. > > > > > > Simha > > > > > > 9th lord Mangal is RYK but 10th lord Shukra is as well 3rd > > lord so > > > > > > its association with Mangal does not lead to RY. > > > > > > Kanya > > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 2nd hence RYK along with > > 10th > > > > lord > > > > > > Budha. > > > > > > Tula > > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 12th hence RYK along with > > 10th > > > > > > lord Chandra . > > > > > > Vrichika > > > > > > Surya-Chandra RYK > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > Surya Budha RYK > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > 9th lord Budha is benefic but being 6th lord does not lead to > > RYK > > > > > > Kumbha > > > > > > Shukar only RYK as 10th lord Mangal is 3rd lord as well > > > > > > Meena > > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and since takes 2nd lordship leads to RYK > > > > along > > > > > > with 10th lord Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > So what I understand by Parashara is that > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) > > > > > > Trikonesh(9th and 5th Lord) are alwyas Benefic but 9th lord > > may > > > > not > > > > > > lead to Rajyoga if owns (3,6,8,11). > > > > > > 2) > > > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 6th lord(Shukra for Vrishabha),it is > > > > Ashubha > > > > > > and when it is NM and 6th lord(Mangal for Vrishcika),it is > > Sama- > > > > Shubha > > > > > > > > > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 8th lord(Shukra for Tula),it is Sama- > > Shubha > > > > > > and when it is NM and 8th lord( Mangal for Mesha), it is > > Shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed > > > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those > > > > portions > > > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari? > > > > Should > > > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure that you are aware that Laghu Parashari was always > > > > > > available > > > > > > > in manuscript form and also called Ududaya Pradeep. BPHS was > > > > > > either > > > > > > > compilation of shlokas from various pandits who remembered > > them > > > > or > > > > > > from > > > > > > > manuscripts that had different shloka amongst themselves. > > So it > > > > is > > > > > > safer > > > > > > > to go with What is available in Laghu Parashari from whose > > > > shloka I > > > > > > > quoted. The same also appears in most of the other editions > > of > > > > BPHS > > > > > > and > > > > > > > does make sense. The reason is the following shloka: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dharmakarmädhinetärau randhraläbhädhipau yadi | > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù ||22|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ _ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _If lord of the 9^th or 10^th are also lords of 8^th or > > 11^th > > > > these > > > > > > > associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition should have > > that > > > > > > shloka. > > > > > > > Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the 9th due to > > > > > > simultaneously > > > > > > > owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First it says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord > > to > > > > 9th > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > then it goes on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will > > become > > > > > > benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra > > Za. > > > > > > Atleast > > > > > > > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord > > placement. > > > > > > Which > > > > > > > > one to read and follow? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that > > only > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it > > is > > > > not > > > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being > > shubha > > > > only > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the > > > > shloka, > > > > > > > > with its > > > > > > > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English > > > > translation) > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > your ready reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house > > lord > > > > to > > > > > > 9^th > > > > > > > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies > > > > Lagna or > > > > > > > > 8^th > > > > > > > > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, > > please > > > > let > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is > > > > ashubha > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord > > of > > > > 9th > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > trine > > > > > > > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence > > > > should be > > > > > > > > treated > > > > > > > > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% 40>, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for > > > > dasha > > > > > > > > > > analysis. The > > > > > > > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally > > if > > > > the > > > > > > graha > > > > > > > > > > owns a > > > > > > > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is > > not > > > > > > > > considered a > > > > > > > > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and > > 8'th , > > > > eg - > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not > > considered > > > > bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* > > 8'th > > > > eg - > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th > > *or > > > > > > *8'th > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th > > eg - > > > > > > Sat for > > > > > > > > > > Gemini > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully > > good > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > mixed > > > > > > > > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses > > also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Dear Prabodh, You know Sanskrit well and I need not tell you that many a times additional words are used to keep with the metre of the shlokas. However carrying your argument further and accepting what you say, though not accepting its correctness, I would like to draw your attention to Karka lagna and allotment of rajyogakarakatwa to Mars who happens to be the lord of 10th and the 5th for that lagna. Now will you therefore say that the 9th lord can not be rajyogakaraka since the 5th lord is here qualified as Rajyogakaraka? Is saying that only 9th lord can be rajyogakaraka correct in the light of interpretation of what Parashara says, as you see it? Think about this. take care, Chandrashekhar. Prabodh Vekhande wrote: Chandrashekhar ji Namste I was refering to Yogakarak graha that Parashara has described while discussing FB-FM. Read Tula lagna,Parashara has simply said that Shani and Budha are Shubha(FB) but only Chandra and Budha are Rajyogkarak. "ShanaicharaBudhou Shubhou | Rajyogasya Karakaou ChadratatSutaou||" Here it is amply clear that although Shani is 5th and 4th lord for Tula lagna but parashara does not qualify it to be Yogakarka but simply qualifies them as Shubha(FB). If we go through shlokas of all the Lagnas where parashara has described Shubha(FB),Ashubha(FM) and Rajyogakarak we get correct idea about it. It is there in 35th adhyaya titled Yogadyaya of BPHS. I know that later in Rajyogadyaa Parashara has given in detail graha that can be Rajyogkarak including Trik lords. But I wanted to be focused with the context in which we had the discussions. Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Prabodh, > > Do you mean that lord of the 5th can not lead to Rajyoga? Or is not > Rajyogakaraka? If I remember my BPHS well, there are many grahas that > are not considered FB and yet can become rajyogakarakas. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste > > > > I am really sorry for my quality of english. I will try again. I did > > say that only Shubha(FB) can be RYK. That is if a graha has to lead > > to Rajyoga, it must satisfy some conditions. > > 1) It must be Shubha or Functional Benefic. > > 1.1) Shubha or FB means lord of 5th and 9th. > > 2) only 9th lord can lead to Rajyoga > > 3) This 9th lord( which is always Shubha or FB) must have some > > sambandha with 10th lord. > > 4) This 9th lord should not be with blemish. Blemish is for behaving > > as Rajyogakarak and blemish does not mean loss of Shubhatva. > > 4.1) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of lordship of 3,6,8,11 > > simultaneously. > > 4.2) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of it 'Sambandha' with 10th > > lord that has blemish. > > > > >Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so (what you > > > designate as FB) if blemished. > > > > No. Slight correction. Read together it means that Shubha is not > > Rajyogakaraka, if blemished. > > > > I hope this time I made no mistake in my english! > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > I am really confused as to what you mean by FB and what is shubha, > > > according to you. May be at my age the cryptic use of initials is > > too > > > much to grasp. But did you not say "I mean only Shubha (FB)can be > > > qualified as Rajyogakarak" ? and then that the shubhas should be > > without > > > blemish. Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so (what > > you > > > designate as FB) if blemished. But then my comprehension could be > > wrong. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > >So why the distinction between > > > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so at > > this > > > > > stage? > > > > > > > > There is no distinction from my side. Trikonesh(5th/9th) is FB > > (Shubha) > > > > but every FB(Shubha) is not YK. 9th lord along with 10th lord can > > > > lead to YK. To avoid repetition BPHS has indicated many things by > > > > necessary connotation though not expressed directly. That is the > > > > reason,why BPHS has not said anything about Shubha or Ashubha of > > > > shani for Budha's lagna. > > > > Like, since before describing specific lagna, it has discussed in > > > > general Shubhashubha of Bhava-Bhavesh. In that it clearly says > > > > that "TrikoneshaH ShubhaH SmrutaH". Keeping this in mind if > > > > intreprete shlokas of specific lagna we may get correct results. > > > > > > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed > > > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those > > > > portions > > > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari? > > > > Should > > > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? > > > > > > > > Since you ignored this question what should we follow? Laghu > > > > Parashari or Guru Parahari? > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > Can you make it clear as to what you meant by Benefic in the > > > > original > > > > > post, if not functional benefic? So why the distinction between > > > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so at > > this > > > > > stage? I do not find any such distinction in the shlokas of > > BPHS. > > > > Do > > > > > you? If I remember right, Parashara says that for Mithuna lagna > > > > only > > > > > Shukra is shubha. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > Should we not take general and specific rule into > > consideration? > > > > Like > > > > > > being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I mean only > > > > Shubha > > > > > > (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of 9th and 10th and > > > > their > > > > > > Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be without > > > > blemish. > > > > > > Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY) because of > > graha > > > > > > holding 3,6,8,11 as well. That is why for Mithuna Shani is > > Shubha > > > > (FB) > > > > > > but being 8th lord as well when gets associated with 10th lord > > > > Guru > > > > > > does not lead to RY. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I see it as > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesha > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord Guru is Shubha and is 12th lord so qualifies as RYK > > > > > > 10th lord Shani is lord of 11th as well hence can not give RYK > > > > even > > > > > > if involved with 9th lord Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vrishabha > > > > > > Shani RYK as 9th and 10th lord > > > > > > Mithuna > > > > > > Shani is Shubha but being 8th lord can not lead to RYK even if > > > > > > invloved with 10th lord Guru. > > > > > > Karka > > > > > > Guru is Benefic but RYK is only Mangal. Guru is 6th lord as > > well > > > > so > > > > > > not RYK status. > > > > > > Simha > > > > > > 9th lord Mangal is RYK but 10th lord Shukra is as well 3rd > > lord so > > > > > > its association with Mangal does not lead to RY. > > > > > > Kanya > > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 2nd hence RYK along with > > 10th > > > > lord > > > > > > Budha. > > > > > > Tula > > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 12th hence RYK along with > > 10th > > > > > > lord Chandra . > > > > > > Vrichika > > > > > > Surya-Chandra RYK > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > Surya Budha RYK > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > 9th lord Budha is benefic but being 6th lord does not lead to > > RYK > > > > > > Kumbha > > > > > > Shukar only RYK as 10th lord Mangal is 3rd lord as well > > > > > > Meena > > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and since takes 2nd lordship leads to RYK > > > > along > > > > > > with 10th lord Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > So what I understand by Parashara is that > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) > > > > > > Trikonesh(9th and 5th Lord) are alwyas Benefic but 9th lord > > may > > > > not > > > > > > lead to Rajyoga if owns (3,6,8,11). > > > > > > 2) > > > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 6th lord(Shukra for Vrishabha),it is > > > > Ashubha > > > > > > and when it is NM and 6th lord(Mangal for Vrishcika),it is > > Sama- > > > > Shubha > > > > > > > > > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 8th lord(Shukra for Tula),it is Sama- > > Shubha > > > > > > and when it is NM and 8th lord( Mangal for Mesha), it is > > Shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed > > > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those > > > > portions > > > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari? > > > > Should > > > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure that you are aware that Laghu Parashari was always > > > > > > available > > > > > > > in manuscript form and also called Ududaya Pradeep. BPHS was > > > > > > either > > > > > > > compilation of shlokas from various pandits who remembered > > them > > > > or > > > > > > from > > > > > > > manuscripts that had different shloka amongst themselves. > > So it > > > > is > > > > > > safer > > > > > > > to go with What is available in Laghu Parashari from whose > > > > shloka I > > > > > > > quoted. The same also appears in most of the other editions > > of > > > > BPHS > > > > > > and > > > > > > > does make sense. The reason is the following shloka: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dharmakarmädhinetärau randhraläbhädhipau yadi | > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù ||22|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ _ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _If lord of the 9^th or 10^th are also lords of 8^th or > > 11^th > > > > these > > > > > > > associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition should have > > that > > > > > > shloka. > > > > > > > Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the 9th due to > > > > > > simultaneously > > > > > > > owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First it says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord > > to > > > > 9th > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > then it goes on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will > > become > > > > > > benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra > > Za. > > > > > > Atleast > > > > > > > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord > > placement. > > > > > > Which > > > > > > > > one to read and follow? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that > > only > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it > > is > > > > not > > > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being > > shubha > > > > only > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the > > > > shloka, > > > > > > > > with its > > > > > > > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English > > > > translation) > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > your ready reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house > > lord > > > > to > > > > > > 9^th > > > > > > > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies > > > > Lagna or > > > > > > > > 8^th > > > > > > > > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, > > please > > > > let > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is > > > > ashubha > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord > > of > > > > 9th > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > trine > > > > > > > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence > > > > should be > > > > > > > > treated > > > > > > > > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% 40>, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for > > > > dasha > > > > > > > > > > analysis. The > > > > > > > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally > > if > > > > the > > > > > > graha > > > > > > > > > > owns a > > > > > > > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is > > not > > > > > > > > considered a > > > > > > > > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and > > 8'th , > > > > eg - > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not > > considered > > > > bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* > > 8'th > > > > eg - > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th > > *or > > > > > > *8'th > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th > > eg - > > > > > > Sat for > > > > > > > > > > Gemini > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully > > good > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > mixed > > > > > > > > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses > > also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Chandrashekhar ji Namaste This is exactly what I wanted to say. 5th lord of its own will not qualify as RYK unless it is 10th lord. As a matter of fact Mars qualifies as RYK to Karka lagana because it is 10th lord(without blemish). What I am all the while saying is that only 9th or 10th lord qualifies as RYK if without blemish. Among these two FB is only 9th lord. This was my one of the earlier mails >Like being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I mean >only Shubha (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of 9th and 10th >and their Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be without >blemish. >Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY) because of graha >holding 3,6,8,11 as well. To clarify once again 0)5th and 9th lords are always FB i.e. Shubha 1)Only 9th/10th lord is considered as RYK if without blemish. 2)Among these two 9th lord is the only one who is FB. 3) Blemish to these two can be because of co-lordship of 3,6,8,11. I have explained for each Lagna how this comes out to be true. I request you to go through that mail and reconsider your arguments. Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Prabodh, > > You know Sanskrit well and I need not tell you that many a times > additional words are used to keep with the metre of the shlokas. However > carrying your argument further and accepting what you say, though not > accepting its correctness, I would like to draw your attention to Karka > lagna and allotment of rajyogakarakatwa to Mars who happens to be the > lord of 10th and the 5th for that lagna. Now will you therefore say that > the 9th lord can not be rajyogakaraka since the 5th lord is here > qualified as Rajyogakaraka? Is saying that only 9th lord can be > rajyogakaraka correct in the light of interpretation of what Parashara > says, as you see it? > > > Think about this. > > take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > I was refering to Yogakarak graha that Parashara has described while > > discussing FB-FM. Read Tula lagna,Parashara has simply said that > > Shani and Budha are Shubha(FB) but only Chandra and Budha are > > Rajyogkarak. > > " ShanaicharaBudhou Shubhou | > > Rajyogasya Karakaou ChadratatSutaou|| " > > > > Here it is amply clear that although Shani is 5th and 4th lord for > > Tula lagna but parashara does not qualify it to be Yogakarka but > > simply qualifies them as Shubha(FB). > > > > If we go through shlokas of all the Lagnas where parashara has > > described Shubha(FB),Ashubha(FM) and Rajyogakarak we get correct idea > > about it. It is there in 35th adhyaya titled Yogadyaya of BPHS. > > > > I know that later in Rajyogadyaa Parashara has given in detail graha > > that can be Rajyogkarak including Trik lords. But I wanted to be > > focused with the context in which we had the discussions. > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > Do you mean that lord of the 5th can not lead to Rajyoga? Or is not > > > Rajyogakaraka? If I remember my BPHS well, there are many grahas > > that > > > are not considered FB and yet can become rajyogakarakas. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste > > > > > > > > I am really sorry for my quality of english. I will try again. I > > did > > > > say that only Shubha(FB) can be RYK. That is if a graha has to > > lead > > > > to Rajyoga, it must satisfy some conditions. > > > > 1) It must be Shubha or Functional Benefic. > > > > 1.1) Shubha or FB means lord of 5th and 9th. > > > > 2) only 9th lord can lead to Rajyoga > > > > 3) This 9th lord( which is always Shubha or FB) must have some > > > > sambandha with 10th lord. > > > > 4) This 9th lord should not be with blemish. Blemish is for > > behaving > > > > as Rajyogakarak and blemish does not mean loss of Shubhatva. > > > > 4.1) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of lordship of 3,6,8,11 > > > > simultaneously. > > > > 4.2) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of it 'Sambandha' with > > 10th > > > > lord that has blemish. > > > > > > > > >Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so (what you > > > > > designate as FB) if blemished. > > > > > > > > No. Slight correction. Read together it means that Shubha is not > > > > Rajyogakaraka, if blemished. > > > > > > > > I hope this time I made no mistake in my english! > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > I am really confused as to what you mean by FB and what is > > shubha, > > > > > according to you. May be at my age the cryptic use of initials > > is > > > > too > > > > > much to grasp. But did you not say " I mean only Shubha (FB) can > > be > > > > > qualified as Rajyogakarak " ? and then that the shubhas should be > > > > without > > > > > blemish. Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so > > (what > > > > you > > > > > designate as FB) if blemished. But then my comprehension could > > be > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > >So why the distinction between > > > > > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so > > at > > > > this > > > > > > > stage? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no distinction from my side. Trikonesh(5th/9th) is FB > > > > (Shubha) > > > > > > but every FB(Shubha) is not YK. 9th lord along with 10th lord > > can > > > > > > lead to YK. To avoid repetition BPHS has indicated many > > things by > > > > > > necessary connotation though not expressed directly. That is > > the > > > > > > reason,why BPHS has not said anything about Shubha or Ashubha > > of > > > > > > shani for Budha's lagna. > > > > > > Like, since before describing specific lagna, it has > > discussed in > > > > > > general Shubhashubha of Bhava-Bhavesh. In that it clearly says > > > > > > that " TrikoneshaH ShubhaH SmrutaH " . Keeping this in mind if > > > > > > intreprete shlokas of specific lagna we may get correct > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their > > undisputed > > > > > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about > > those > > > > > > portions > > > > > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu > > Parashari? > > > > > > Should > > > > > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you ignored this question what should we follow? Laghu > > > > > > Parashari or Guru Parahari? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make it clear as to what you meant by Benefic in the > > > > > > original > > > > > > > post, if not functional benefic? So why the distinction > > between > > > > > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so > > at > > > > this > > > > > > > stage? I do not find any such distinction in the shlokas of > > > > BPHS. > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > you? If I remember right, Parashara says that for Mithuna > > lagna > > > > > > only > > > > > > > Shukra is shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should we not take general and specific rule into > > > > consideration? > > > > > > Like > > > > > > > > being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I mean > > only > > > > > > Shubha > > > > > > > > (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of 9th and 10th > > and > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be without > > > > > > blemish. > > > > > > > > Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY) because of > > > > graha > > > > > > > > holding 3,6,8,11 as well. That is why for Mithuna Shani is > > > > Shubha > > > > > > (FB) > > > > > > > > but being 8th lord as well when gets associated with 10th > > lord > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > does not lead to RY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I see it as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord Guru is Shubha and is 12th lord so qualifies as > > RYK > > > > > > > > 10th lord Shani is lord of 11th as well hence can not > > give RYK > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > if involved with 9th lord Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vrishabha > > > > > > > > Shani RYK as 9th and 10th lord > > > > > > > > Mithuna > > > > > > > > Shani is Shubha but being 8th lord can not lead to RYK > > even if > > > > > > > > invloved with 10th lord Guru. > > > > > > > > Karka > > > > > > > > Guru is Benefic but RYK is only Mangal. Guru is 6th lord > > as > > > > well > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > not RYK status. > > > > > > > > Simha > > > > > > > > 9th lord Mangal is RYK but 10th lord Shukra is as well 3rd > > > > lord so > > > > > > > > its association with Mangal does not lead to RY. > > > > > > > > Kanya > > > > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 2nd hence RYK along > > with > > > > 10th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > Budha. > > > > > > > > Tula > > > > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 12th hence RYK along > > with > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > lord Chandra . > > > > > > > > Vrichika > > > > > > > > Surya-Chandra RYK > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > Surya Budha RYK > > > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > 9th lord Budha is benefic but being 6th lord does not > > lead to > > > > RYK > > > > > > > > Kumbha > > > > > > > > Shukar only RYK as 10th lord Mangal is 3rd lord as well > > > > > > > > Meena > > > > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and since takes 2nd lordship leads to > > RYK > > > > > > along > > > > > > > > with 10th lord Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what I understand by Parashara is that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) > > > > > > > > Trikonesh(9th and 5th Lord) are alwyas Benefic but 9th > > lord > > > > may > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > lead to Rajyoga if owns (3,6,8,11). > > > > > > > > 2) > > > > > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 6th lord(Shukra for Vrishabha),it > > is > > > > > > Ashubha > > > > > > > > and when it is NM and 6th lord(Mangal for Vrishcika),it is > > > > Sama- > > > > > > Shubha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 8th lord(Shukra for Tula),it is > > Sama- > > > > Shubha > > > > > > > > and when it is NM and 8th lord( Mangal for Mesha), it is > > > > Shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their > > undisputed > > > > > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about > > those > > > > > > portions > > > > > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu > > Parashari? > > > > > > Should > > > > > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure that you are aware that Laghu Parashari was > > always > > > > > > > > available > > > > > > > > > in manuscript form and also called Ududaya Pradeep. > > BPHS was > > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > > compilation of shlokas from various pandits who > > remembered > > > > them > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > manuscripts that had different shloka amongst > > themselves. > > > > So it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > safer > > > > > > > > > to go with What is available in Laghu Parashari from > > whose > > > > > > shloka I > > > > > > > > > quoted. The same also appears in most of the other > > editions > > > > of > > > > > > BPHS > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > does make sense. The reason is the following shloka: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dharmakarmädhinetärau randhraläbhädhipau yadi | > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù ||22|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ _ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _If lord of the 9^th or 10^th are also lords of 8^th or > > > > 11^th > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition should > > have > > > > that > > > > > > > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the 9th due to > > > > > > > > simultaneously > > > > > > > > > owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First it says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house > > lord > > > > to > > > > > > 9th > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > then it goes on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will > > > > become > > > > > > > > benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by > > Devashandra > > > > Za. > > > > > > > > Atleast > > > > > > > > > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord > > > > placement. > > > > > > > > Which > > > > > > > > > > one to read and follow? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% 40>, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says > > that > > > > only > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th > > it > > > > is > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being > > > > shubha > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting > > the > > > > > > shloka, > > > > > > > > > > with its > > > > > > > > > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English > > > > > > translation) > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > your ready reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th > > house > > > > lord > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > 9^th > > > > > > > > > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and > > occupies > > > > > > Lagna or > > > > > > > > > > 8^th > > > > > > > > > > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, > > > > please > > > > > > let > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine > > lord > > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house > > is > > > > > > ashubha > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is > > colord > > > > of > > > > > > 9th > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > trine > > > > > > > > > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and > > hence > > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > > treated > > > > > > > > > > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > > 40>, > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional > > benefics, for > > > > > > dasha > > > > > > > > > > > > analysis. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. > > generally > > > > if > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > graha > > > > > > > > > > > > owns a > > > > > > > > > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it > > is > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > considered a > > > > > > > > > > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and > > > > 8'th , > > > > > > eg - > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not > > > > considered > > > > > > bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th > > *and* > > > > 8'th > > > > > > eg - > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in > > 5'th > > > > *or > > > > > > > > *8'th > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and > > 9'th > > > > eg - > > > > > > > > Sat for > > > > > > > > > > > > Gemini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be > > fully > > > > good > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > mixed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses > > > > also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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