Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Namaskar AarkayDa and Lalit, Sorry for intervening in your private discussions. A couple of points: (i)The debate whether one should reveal one's Siddhis has been there since time immemorial (ii)As Aarkayji has pointed out in his poetic language (which goes over my head many a time) that the Dakshinmargi school of thought believes in keeping one's Siddhis to oneself (iii)Vama Marga has the other approach.Here spiritual aspirants openly challenge each other and often there are duels to prove one's Siddhis.The much blamed and criticised Agohoris being part of this school of thought (iv)Ultimately,it comes down to the individual and his relation with his Ishta (Personally speaking though I have always beleieved in Swami Yukteshwar Giri's approach.He never exhibited his Siddhis unless directed by a higher power to do so (This is vividly described by Yogananda in 'Autobiography of a Yogi') This note is not to take up sides or criticise but just some observations from an interested observer of life's Maya !! Regards, aavesh rk dash <arkaydash wrote: Dear Lalit, The proscription on one's spiritual experience is premised on two well-founded tenets. One, tongue-wagging doesn't enrich it. It cuts down introversion. The inward journey peters out. Some exoteric paths seem not to discourage it. Another matter. But Satsang is another ball game. Guidence is sought in confidence. Much like public display emotion (for some) is a no-no. In extreme esoteric paths, it is a game of dice -- often. There stakes are high. The higher they are, the more circumspect the seeker must be, or the world would come down on him. It (the world) can be nice slaughter house. Two, much of 'That' is ineffable -- anirvachaniya. ('That' is a vedic favourite as a referent) RK On 18/12/2007, litsol <litsol wrote: No Sir,I was always single and alone, rahu in 11'th makes sure no frinds....., i was misunderstood for my straightforward uncanny talks , but i had to do such talks, otherwise, this time when it's accepted that spirituality is a gone thing, has no application in real life, those who are spiritual are outdated antique .. people and particularly narrowminded indian girls and reporters of confused news papers like times of india, I decided to put everything as it is, without no mixing.Still there were threats to taken as egoists or self promoting person coz putting truth, truth being most unusual things and particularly when every body has a fixed frame of mind, taken as a egoist is obvious. but truth is absolute, some elders asked me not to tell spiritual experiences openly otherwise i can loose them, why even in the lap of the moher god one will care loss and gain ? at least in spirituality there is no loss.. cant be there.regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "rk dash" <arkaydash wrote:>> You could have said 'chhandanuvritte...' not gyanam vandhanam. Till I read> your reply today I thought the guy had a very strong line of followers> (subservient worker bees) who lose no time in singing his prasasti whenever> there is a threat to his carefully constructed reputation. That is what I> meant. The resaon was to avoid any direct talk about unpleasant things and> people. 'At the drop of a turban' was my adaptation of the phrase 'at the> drop of a hat' to what pundits' headgear. > > RK> > > On 17/12/2007, litsol <litsol wrote:> >> > " A formidable line of drone who can spring a most awesome ergo noisome> > canticle of accomplishments, at the drop of a turban" > >> >> >> > My english is like my english only ..... what u said is difficult for me> > to understand, I dont know what is "canticle", do u mean "stuti" and turban> > means "pagari or safa"... then what is drone? something that keeps playing> > in a instrument wihout attension ... then what meaning it carries altogather> > ? > >> >> >> > I dont understand it, but what i can say is, without a fall, God has and> > will ensure relevance of spirituality in my life, I see how all are dancing > > those who are knowledgable and also those who are ignorant.> >> >> >> > !! Gyanam Bandhanam !!> >> >> >> > If u want to see the God, I mean wish to realize it, It will happen, it> > will happen, It will happen !!> >> >> >> > Sir, it's very easy and then easy is any task u want to do we have to> > traverse the maya, and mayapati is always with us... > >> >> >> > regards,> >> > Lalit.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> With Best Wishes, aavesh Save all your chat conversations. Find them online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Dear Sir, I neither follow Vammargi nor Dakshinamargi school, I had questions and targets in my mind with my set of disbelief, I approached,defied and devoted to God, Looks God liked it. He is so great and kind I never knew, When first time in Yr 2000, mother gave me her acknowledged vision, I had no calmness in my mind, Though she said " Tum Mujhe Bhul Gaye Ho, Isliye Tum Darte Ho, Daro Mat, Mai Hamesha Tumhare Saath Hu " after hearing this my first action was to check validity of this boon. I indulged in a fighting with one big gundaa of bhopal, and got a sorry from him. I alone with no support, went to his residence for the sake of my students, that time i was teaching in a institute, everybody asked me not to do this, but i did... and matter got solved out of the way, I had no enemity in my heart. Still I was restless, coz, love that i wanted, I was not getting .. my status was like a citizen of india, who knows who is prime minister, same way, i knew there is some God, but, unless u r connected to Prime Minister, u dont feel good, it's just a knowledge, so, that vision was just a dry knowledge that there is some God, what i do with this God ? I continued for more 3 - 4 yrs, to realize my relation with my God, it's a private relationship. I want all to know this private relatinoship, I get requests from people to help them in various issues, but, i wonder, why when such a God is so easily available, they dont contact him, why they dont try to know their private relationship with their God. I m no way a speacial person. But when Times of India like immature news papers start mass messaging against spirituality and our culture, I think I should let people to know the other side of the coin too. Our girls are being expolited by Media. Media doesnt want girls develop their personality, Times of India advocates every girl should have sex with somebody as early as possible, should leave her virginity with proud, why ? they reporters dont get good companion .. may be this is one of several cause. We should get better fathers who can develop personality of their girl child. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > > Namaskar AarkayDa and Lalit, > > Sorry for intervening in your private discussions. > > A couple of points: > > (i)The debate whether one should reveal one's Siddhis has been there since time immemorial > > (ii)As Aarkayji has pointed out in his poetic language (which goes over my head many a time) that the Dakshinmargi school of thought believes in keeping one's Siddhis to oneself > > (iii)Vama Marga has the other approach.Here spiritual aspirants openly challenge each other and often there are duels to prove one's Siddhis.The much blamed and criticised Agohoris being part of this school of thought > > (iv)Ultimately,it comes down to the individual and his relation with his Ishta (Personally speaking though I have always beleieved in Swami Yukteshwar Giri's approach.He never exhibited his Siddhis unless directed by a higher power to do so (This is vividly described by Yogananda in 'Autobiography of a Yogi') > > This note is not to take up sides or criticise but just some observations from an interested observer of life's Maya !! > > Regards, > > aavesh rk dash <arkaydash wrote: > Dear Lalit, > The proscription on one's spiritual experience is premised on two well-founded tenets. > > One, tongue-wagging doesn't enrich it. It cuts down introversion. The inward journey peters out. Some exoteric paths seem not to discourage it. Another matter. But Satsang is another ball game. Guidence is sought in confidence. Much like public display emotion (for some) is a no-no. In extreme esoteric paths, it is a game of dice -- often. There stakes are high. The higher they are, the more circumspect the seeker must be, or the world would come down on him. It (the world) can be nice slaughter house. > > Two, much of 'That' is ineffable -- anirvachaniya. ('That' is a vedic favourite as a referent) > > RK > > On 18/12/2007, litsol <litsol wrote: No Sir, > > I was always single and alone, rahu in 11'th makes sure no > frinds....., i was misunderstood for my straightforward uncanny > talks , but i had to do such talks, otherwise, this time when it's > accepted that spirituality is a gone thing, has no application in > real life, those who are spiritual are outdated antique .. people and > particularly narrowminded indian girls and reporters of confused news > papers like times of india, I decided to put everything as it is, > without no mixing. > > Still there were threats to taken as egoists or self promoting person > coz putting truth, truth being most unusual things and particularly > when every body has a fixed frame of mind, taken as a egoist is > obvious. but truth is absolute, some elders asked me not to tell > spiritual experiences openly otherwise i can loose them, why even in > the lap of the moher god one will care loss and gain ? at least in > spirituality there is no loss.. cant be there. > > regards, > Lalit. > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " rk dash " > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > You could have said 'chhandanuvritte...' not gyanam vandhanam. Till > I read > > your reply today I thought the guy had a very strong line of > followers > > (subservient worker bees) who lose no time in singing his prasasti > whenever > > there is a threat to his carefully constructed reputation. That is > what I > > meant. The resaon was to avoid any direct talk about unpleasant > things and > > people. 'At the drop of a turban' was my adaptation of the > phrase 'at the > > drop of a hat' to what pundits' headgear. > > > > RK > > > > > > On 17/12/2007, litsol <litsol@> wrote: > > > > > > " A formidable line of drone who can spring a most awesome > ergo noisome > > > canticle of accomplishments, at the drop of a turban " > > > > > > > > > > > > My english is like my english only ..... what u said is difficult > for me > > > to understand, I dont know what is " canticle " , do u mean " stuti " > and turban > > > means " pagari or safa " ... then what is drone? something that > keeps playing > > > in a instrument wihout attension ... then what meaning it carries > altogather > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont understand it, but what i can say is, without a fall, God > has and > > > will ensure relevance of spirituality in my life, I see how all > are dancing > > > those who are knowledgable and also those who are ignorant. > > > > > > > > > > > > !! Gyanam Bandhanam !! > > > > > > > > > > > > If u want to see the God, I mean wish to realize it, It will > happen, it > > > will happen, It will happen !! > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, it's very easy and then easy is any task u want to do we > have to > > > traverse the maya, and mayapati is always with us... > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > aavesh > > > > Save all your chat conversations. Find them online. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Aavesh, Excuse me my poesy. The incidental distinction I touched upon was between esoteric path(s) and non-esoteric ones. Not between dakshina and vaama. Where would you put the nocturnal court which the levitating Lahiri Mahasaya held, with fairies hovering above him and which was espied by his wife, or for that matter the session at the ghats of Benaras where Yogavatar, Mahavatar and the latter's sister met nightly? These were all yogis -- rajyogi of the highest order in modern times. You would agree that that was esoteric. Even kaulachaar should be requiring the adherent to keep his own counsel. When Yogananda does that (when he writes the autobiography), he shares his life experiences to the high end of edification of mankind. And that is after he has GONE THROUGH it all, much as a tathagata. Which is in order, not needing any defending. The Aghora parampara marks out its boundary with 'prapancha' differently. That should explain the comparison and contrast and contest (the 'spardha') among certain adherents. Mark my use of the word 'prapancha'. You have hardly confuted my account. I have been using bold letters for words which significantly qualify what I say, please note, here as also earlier. RK On 19/12/2007, aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: Namaskar AarkayDa and Lalit, Sorry for intervening in your private discussions. A couple of points: (i)The debate whether one should reveal one's Siddhis has been there since time immemorial (ii)As Aarkayji has pointed out in his poetic language (which goes over my head many a time) that the Dakshinmargi school of thought believes in keeping one's Siddhis to oneself (iii)Vama Marga has the other approach.Here spiritual aspirants openly challenge each other and often there are duels to prove one's Siddhis.The much blamed and criticised Agohoris being part of this school of thought (iv)Ultimately,it comes down to the individual and his relation with his Ishta (Personally speaking though I have always beleieved in Swami Yukteshwar Giri's approach. He never exhibited his Siddhis unless directed by a higher power to do so (This is vividly described by Yogananda in 'Autobiography of a Yogi') This note is not to take up sides or criticise but just some observations from an interested observer of life's Maya !! Regards, aavesh rk dash <arkaydash wrote: Dear Lalit, The proscription on one's spiritual experience is premised on two well-founded tenets. One, tongue-wagging doesn't enrich it. It cuts down introversion. The inward journey peters out. Some exoteric paths seem not to discourage it. Another matter. But Satsang is another ball game. Guidence is sought in confidence. Much like public display emotion (for some) is a no-no. In extreme esoteric paths, it is a game of dice -- often. There stakes are high. The higher they are, the more circumspect the seeker must be, or the world would come down on him. It (the world) can be nice slaughter house. Two, much of 'That' is ineffable -- anirvachaniya. ('That' is a vedic favourite as a referent) RK On 18/12/2007, litsol <litsol wrote: No Sir,I was always single and alone, rahu in 11'th makes sure no frinds....., i was misunderstood for my straightforward uncanny talks , but i had to do such talks, otherwise, this time when it's accepted that spirituality is a gone thing, has no application in real life, those who are spiritual are outdated antique .. people and particularly narrowminded indian girls and reporters of confused news papers like times of india, I decided to put everything as it is, without no mixing.Still there were threats to taken as egoists or self promoting person coz putting truth, truth being most unusual things and particularly when every body has a fixed frame of mind, taken as a egoist is obvious. but truth is absolute, some elders asked me not to tell spiritual experiences openly otherwise i can loose them, why even in the lap of the moher god one will care loss and gain ? at least in spirituality there is no loss.. cant be there.regards,Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " rk dash " <arkaydash wrote:>> You could have said 'chhandanuvritte...' not gyanam vandhanam. Till I read> your reply today I thought the guy had a very strong line of followers> (subservient worker bees) who lose no time in singing his prasasti whenever> there is a threat to his carefully constructed reputation. That is what I> meant. The resaon was to avoid any direct talk about unpleasant things and> people. 'At the drop of a turban' was my adaptation of the phrase 'at the> drop of a hat' to what pundits' headgear. > > RK> > > On 17/12/2007, litsol <litsol wrote:> >> > " A formidable line of drone who can spring a most awesome ergo noisome> > canticle of accomplishments, at the drop of a turban " > >> >> >> > My english is like my english only ..... what u said is difficult for me> > to understand, I dont know what is " canticle " , do u mean " stuti " and turban> > means " pagari or safa " ... then what is drone? something that keeps playing> > in a instrument wihout attension ... then what meaning it carries altogather> > ? > >> >> >> > I dont understand it, but what i can say is, without a fall, God has and> > will ensure relevance of spirituality in my life, I see how all are dancing > > those who are knowledgable and also those who are ignorant.> >> >> >> > !! Gyanam Bandhanam !!> >> >> >> > If u want to see the God, I mean wish to realize it, It will happen, it> > will happen, It will happen !!> >> >> >> > Sir, it's very easy and then easy is any task u want to do we have to> > traverse the maya, and mayapati is always with us... > >> >> >> > regards,> >> > Lalit.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> With Best Wishes, aavesh Save all your chat conversations. Find them online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Dear Aavesh Ji, Namskaar, I m truly very happy that u gave me a very good way of addressing to (earlier -Mr. RK Das now " RK Daa " , yes, it looks sweet, I was never comfortable with " Mr. RK Das " but my mind didn't get space to find what it wants. The term " Bhaiya " has always been my strength and weakness both. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " rk dash " <arkaydash wrote: > > Aavesh, > Excuse me my poesy. The incidental distinction I touched upon was between > esoteric path(s) and non-esoteric ones. Not between dakshina and vaama. > Where would you put the nocturnal court which the levitating Lahiri Mahasaya > held, with fairies hovering above him and which was espied by his wife, or > for that matter the session at the ghats of Benaras where Yogavatar, > Mahavatar and the latter's sister met nightly? These were all yogis -- > rajyogi of the highest order in modern times. You would agree that that was > esoteric. Even kaulachaar should be requiring the adherent to keep his own > counsel. When Yogananda does that (when he writes the autobiography), he > shares his life experiences to the high end of edification of mankind. And > that is after he has GONE THROUGH it all, much as a tathagata. Which is in > order, not needing any defending. > > The Aghora parampara marks out its boundary with 'prapancha' differently. > That should explain the comparison and contrast and contest (the 'spardha') > among *certain* adherents. Mark my use of the word 'prapancha'. > > You have hardly confuted my account. > > I have been using bold letters for words which significantly qualify what I > say, please note, here as also earlier. > > RK > > On 19/12/2007, aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > > > > *Namaskar AarkayDa and Lalit,* > > ** > > *Sorry for intervening in your private discussions.* > > ** > > *A couple of points:* > > ** > > *(i)The debate whether one should reveal one's Siddhis **has been > > there since time immemorial * > > ** > > *(ii)As Aarkayji has pointed out in his poetic language (which goes over > > my head many a time) that the Dakshinmargi school of thought believes in > > keeping one's Siddhis to oneself* > > ** > > *(iii)Vama Marga has the other approach.Here spiritual aspirants openly > > challenge each other and often there are duels to prove one's Siddhis.Themuch blamed and criticised Agohoris being part of this school of thought > > * > > ** > > *(iv)Ultimately,it comes down to the individual and his relation with his > > Ishta (Personally speaking though I have always beleieved in Swami > > Yukteshwar Giri's approach.**He never exhibited his Siddhis unless > > directed by a higher power to do so (This is vividly described by Yogananda > > in 'Autobiography of a Yogi')* > > ** > > *This note is not to take up sides or criticise but just some observations > > from an interested observer of life's Maya !!* > > ** > > *Regards,* > > ** > > *aavesh * > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > *rk dash <arkaydash* wrote: > > > > Dear Lalit, > > The proscription on *one's* spiritual experience is premised on two > > well-founded tenets. > > > > One, tongue-wagging doesn't enrich it. It cuts down introversion. The > > inward journey peters out. Some exoteric paths seem not to discourage it. > > Another matter. But Satsang is another ball game. Guidence is sought in > > confidence. Much like public display emotion (for some) is a no- no. In > > extreme esoteric paths, it is a game of dice -- often. There stakes are > > high. The higher they are, the more circumspect the seeker must be, or the > > world would come down on him. It (the world) can be nice slaughter house. > > > > > > Two, much of 'That' is ineffable -- *anirvachaniya*. ('That' is a vedic > > favourite as a referent) > > > > RK > > > > On 18/12/2007, litsol <litsol wrote: > > > > > > No Sir, > > > > > > I was always single and alone, rahu in 11'th makes sure no > > > frinds....., i was misunderstood for my straightforward uncanny > > > talks , but i had to do such talks, otherwise, this time when it's > > > accepted that spirituality is a gone thing, has no application in > > > real life, those who are spiritual are outdated antique .. people and > > > particularly narrowminded indian girls and reporters of confused news > > > papers like times of india, I decided to put everything as it is, > > > without no mixing. > > > > > > Still there were threats to taken as egoists or self promoting person > > > coz putting truth, truth being most unusual things and particularly > > > when every body has a fixed frame of mind, taken as a egoist is > > > obvious. but truth is absolute, some elders asked me not to tell > > > spiritual experiences openly otherwise i can loose them, why even in > > > the lap of the moher god one will care loss and gain ? at least in > > > spirituality there is no loss.. cant be there. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > --- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% 40>, > > > " rk dash " > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > You could have said 'chhandanuvritte...' not gyanam vandhanam. Till > > > I read > > > > your reply today I thought the guy had a very strong line of > > > followers > > > > (subservient worker bees) who lose no time in singing his prasasti > > > whenever > > > > there is a threat to his carefully constructed reputation. That is > > > what I > > > > meant. The resaon was to avoid any direct talk about unpleasant > > > things and > > > > people. 'At the drop of a turban' was my adaptation of the > > > phrase 'at the > > > > drop of a hat' to what pundits' headgear. > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17/12/2007, litsol <litsol@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > " A formidable line of drone who can spring a most awesome > > > ergo noisome > > > > > canticle of accomplishments, at the drop of a turban " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My english is like my english only ..... what u said is difficult > > > for me > > > > > to understand, I dont know what is " canticle " , do u mean " stuti " > > > and turban > > > > > means " pagari or safa " ... then what is drone? something that > > > keeps playing > > > > > in a instrument wihout attension ... then what meaning it carries > > > altogather > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont understand it, but what i can say is, without a fall, God > > > has and > > > > > will ensure relevance of spirituality in my life, I see how all > > > are dancing > > > > > those who are knowledgable and also those who are ignorant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > !! Gyanam Bandhanam !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If u want to see the God, I mean wish to realize it, It will > > > happen, it > > > > > will happen, It will happen !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, it's very easy and then easy is any task u want to do we > > > have to > > > > > traverse the maya, and mayapati is always with us... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *With Best Wishes,* > > ** > > *aavesh* > > > > ------------------------------ > > Save all your chat conversations. Find them online.<http://in.rd./tagline_webmessenger_3/*http://in.messe nger./webmessengerpromo.php> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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