Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Hare Rama KrsnaHrau Namah AdityayaDear Lalit ji,Namaskar.Take my chart for example, my 8th lord is Sani Maharaj who is also the 9th lord. The 8th bhava has the 5 and 12 th lord, 6th and 11th lord(exalted).BTW bhagyasthana is Kumbha occupied by Surya(uttamamsa).I have been always given two versions of it, one -bhagyasthana was afflicted and another not.For premise we could even leave the tenancy of the 9th house and focus on the lordship alone.I would love inputs from Gurus for learning..I also understand it is a piecemeal observation for academic study, not taking into account other factors.RegardsNalini litsol <litsolVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Wednesday, 19 December, 2007 5:58:21 PM[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House Dear Prabodh Ji, Let's check it with the help of couple of horoscopes. That will be a great help to all of us from our Gurus like u. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Prabodh Vekhande" <amolmandar@ ...> wrote: > > Chandrashekhar ji > > First it says > > "Bhagyavyayadhiptye na randresho na shubhaprada" > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th > house. > then it goes on > > "lagnatrikonapavash at sa eva shubhado mataH" > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become benefic. > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. Atleast > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. Which > one to read and follow? > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only when > such a > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not to be > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only by > being > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka, > with its > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation) > for > > your ready reference. > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉà d>, > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to 9^th > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or > 8^th > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let me > know > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since > it > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or > trine > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be > treated > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>, > Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha > > > analysis. The > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha > > > owns a > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not > considered a > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars > for > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - Jup > > > for > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th > not > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for > > > Gemini > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, > > > mixed > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Dear Nirvanika, Among other things 8'th is the house of transformation, in this case, it shows ur's mandatory involvement in the transformation to get best of 9'th. 8'th house gives a shape to u to see it in 9'th. A successful transformation ! Not made this horoscope as of now, hope, elders will look at it before i do it tomorrow late in night. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " healing spaces " <healingspaces wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > Dear members, > Was just going through the posts and found the discussion on 8th House and > Lord. > here is a chart with libra lagna where lagna lord and 8th lord are common > being Venus. The lagna lord goes to 9th house conjunct sun and moon , while > there is an *exchange between 8th and 9th lord* mercury and venus. > *Though the exchange is between the trikona and dusthana house*, i feel > there would be less malefic influences since 8th lord is also lagna > lord.andwoudl strongly give for 9th house as it is in exchange. > Mercury gone to 8th > house may also not be as detrimental. > lets see what you all have to say. interestingly all the planets Sun moon > and venus are in nakshatra of rahu which brings their inclination to first > house. More so rahu is itself in nakshatra of rahu sitting right at lagna > degree. > date 27 june 1976 > place jaipur city > time 15:05 > Thanks for the time and space > Nirvanika > > > On Dec 19, 2007 12:25 PM, nalini swamy <nalini2818 > wrote: > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > Hrau Namah Adityaya > > > > Dear Lalit ji, > > Namaskar. > > > > Take my chart for example, my 8th lord is Sani Maharaj who is also the 9th > > lord. The 8th bhava has the 5 and 12 th lord, 6th and 11th lord (exalted). > > BTW bhagyasthana is Kumbha occupied by Surya(uttamamsa). > > I have been always given two versions of it, one -bhagyasthana was > > afflicted and another not. > > For premise we could even leave the tenancy of the 9th house and focus on > > the lordship alone. > > I would love inputs from Gurus for learning.. > > I also understand it is a piecemeal observation for academic study, not > > taking into account other factors. > > Regards > > Nalini > > > > > > * > > * > > > > > > > > litsol <litsol > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Wednesday, 19 December, 2007 5:58:21 PM > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House > > > > Dear Prabodh Ji, > > > > Let's check it with the help of couple of horoscopes. That will be a > > great help to all of us from our Gurus like u. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com<Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > " Prabodh Vekhande " > > <amolmandar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > First it says > > > > > > " Bhagyavyayadhiptye na randresho na shubhaprada " > > > > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th > > > house. > > > then it goes on > > > > > > " lagnatrikonapavash at sa eva shubhado mataH " > > > > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become > > benefic. > > > > > > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. > > Atleast > > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. > > Which > > > one to read and follow? > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com<Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only when > > > such a > > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not to > > be > > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only > > by > > > being > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka, > > > with its > > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation) > > > for > > > > your ready reference. > > > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>, > > > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to > > 9^th > > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or > > > 8^th > > > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let me > > > know > > > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be > > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha > > since > > > it > > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or > > > trine > > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be > > > treated > > > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com<Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha > > > > > analysis. The > > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the > > graha > > > > > owns a > > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not > > > considered a > > > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - > > Mars > > > for > > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - > > Jup > > > > > for > > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th > > > not > > > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat > > for > > > > > Gemini > > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, > > > > > mixed > > > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Dear Nalini, Let us know how the first half of your Saturn dasha/antar or Pratyantar fared and we can come to some conclusion. This is so because your Saturn dasha might not even run. So you could check effects of its Antar or Pratyantar within the dashas already run. These should be good periods if such a lord is functional benefic and not so if it is not. I am saying the first half as the 8th lordship results will come through at that time. Chandrashekhar. nalini swamy wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Hrau Namah Adityaya Dear Lalit ji, Namaskar. Take my chart for example, my 8th lord is Sani Maharaj who is also the 9th lord. The 8th bhava has the 5 and 12 th lord, 6th and 11th lord(exalted). BTW bhagyasthana is Kumbha occupied by Surya(uttamamsa). I have been always given two versions of it, one -bhagyasthana was afflicted and another not. For premise we could even leave the tenancy of the 9th house and focus on the lordship alone. I would love inputs from Gurus for learning.. I also understand it is a piecemeal observation for academic study, not taking into account other factors. Regards Nalini  ----- Original Message ---- litsol <litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhealing Wednesday, 19 December, 2007 5:58:21 PM [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House Dear Prabodh Ji, Let's check it with the help of couple of horoscopes. That will be a great help to all of us from our Gurus like u. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Prabodh Vekhande" <amolmandar@ ...> wrote: > > Chandrashekhar ji > > First it says > > "Bhagyavyayadhiptye na randresho na shubhaprada" > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th > house. > then it goes on > > "lagnatrikonapavash at sa eva shubhado mataH" > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become benefic. > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. Atleast > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. Which > one to read and follow? > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only when > such a > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not to be > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only by > being > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka, > with its > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation) > for > > your ready reference. > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉà d>, > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to 9^th > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or > 8^th > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let me > know > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since > it > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or > trine > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be > treated > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>, > Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha > > > analysis. The > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha > > > owns a > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not > considered a > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars > for > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - Jup > > > for > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th > not > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for > > > Gemini > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, > > > mixed > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger. 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Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Hare rama KrsnaHraum Namah AdityayRespected ChandraseKhar ji,Namaskar.One more thing I would add is that I have always got help from the highest executive in the organisation and from my boss's boss but never from my immediate boss.Kind regardsNalini Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekharVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Thursday, 20 December, 2007 8:57:04 AMRe: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House- lalit ji Dear Nalini, Let us know how the first half of your Saturn dasha/antar or Pratyantar fared and we can come to some conclusion. This is so because your Saturn dasha might not even run. So you could check effects of its Antar or Pratyantar within the dashas already run. These should be good periods if such a lord is functional benefic and not so if it is not. I am saying the first half as the 8th lordship results will come through at that time. Chandrashekhar. nalini swamy wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Hrau Namah Adityaya Dear Lalit ji, Namaskar. Take my chart for example, my 8th lord is Sani Maharaj who is also the 9th lord. The 8th bhava has the 5 and 12 th lord, 6th and 11th lord(exalted) . BTW bhagyasthana is Kumbha occupied by Surya(uttamamsa) . I have been always given two versions of it, one -bhagyasthana was afflicted and another not. For premise we could even leave the tenancy of the 9th house and focus on the lordship alone. I would love inputs from Gurus for learning.. I also understand it is a piecemeal observation for academic study, not taking into account other factors. Regards Nalini ----- Original Message ---- litsol <litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com Wednesday, 19 December, 2007 5:58:21 PM [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House Dear Prabodh Ji, Let's check it with the help of couple of horoscopes. That will be a great help to all of us from our Gurus like u. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Prabodh Vekhande" <amolmandar@ ...> wrote: > > Chandrashekhar ji > > First it says > > "Bhagyavyayadhiptye na randresho na shubhaprada" > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th > house. > then it goes on > > "lagnatrikonapavash at sa eva shubhado mataH" > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become benefic. > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. Atleast > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. Which > one to read and follow? > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only when > such a > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not to be > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only by > being > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka, > with its > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation) > for > > your ready reference. > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉà d>, > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to 9^th > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or > 8^th > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let me > know > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since > it > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or > trine > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be > treated > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>, > Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha > > > analysis. The > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha > > > owns a > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not > considered a > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars > for > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - Jup > > > for > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th > not > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for > > > Gemini > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, > > > mixed > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger . 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Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Nalini Ji, Namaskaar, can we identify Boss's Boss with Rahu , just a thought came to mind .. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , nalini swamy <nalini2818 wrote: > > Hare rama Krsna > Hraum Namah Adityay > > Respected ChandraseKhar ji, > Namaskar. > One more thing I would add is that I have always got help from the highest executive in the organisation and from my boss's boss but never from my immediate boss. > > Kind regards > Nalini > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Thursday, 20 December, 2007 8:57:04 AM > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House- lalit ji > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nalini, > > > > Let us know how the first half of your Saturn dasha/antar or Pratyantar > fared and we can come to some conclusion. This is so because your > Saturn dasha might not even run. So you could check effects of its > Antar or Pratyantar within the dashas already run. These should be good > periods if such a lord is functional benefic and not so if it is not. I > am saying the first half as the 8th lordship results will come through > at that time. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > nalini swamy wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > Hrau Namah Adityaya > > > > Dear Lalit ji, > > Namaskar. > > > > Take my chart for example, my 8th lord is Sani Maharaj who is also the > 9th lord. The 8th bhava has the 5 and 12 th lord, 6th and 11th > lord(exalted) . > > BTW bhagyasthana is Kumbha occupied by Surya(uttamamsa) . > > I have been always given two versions of it, one -bhagyasthana was > afflicted and another not. > > For premise we could even leave the tenancy of the 9th house and focus > on the lordship alone. > > I would love inputs from Gurus for learning.. > > I also understand it is a piecemeal observation for academic study, not > taking into account other factors. > > Regards > > Nalini > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > Original Message ---- > > litsol <litsol > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > Wednesday, 19 December, 2007 5:58:21 PM > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House > > > > > Dear Prabodh Ji, > > > > Let's check it with the help of couple of horoscopes. That will be a > > great help to all of us from our Gurus like u. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > aling@ s.com, " Prabodh Vekhande " > > <amolmandar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > First it says > > > > > > " Bhagyavyayadhiptye na randresho na shubhaprada " > > > > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th > > > house. > > > then it goes on > > > > > > " lagnatrikonapavash at sa eva shubhado mataH " > > > > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become > > benefic. > > > > > > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. > > Atleast > > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. > > Which > > > one to read and follow? > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only > when > > > such a > > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not > to > > be > > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha > only > > by > > > being > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the > shloka, > > > with its > > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English > translation) > > > for > > > > your ready reference. > > > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉà d>, > > > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord > to > > 9^th > > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna > or > > > 8^th > > > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please > let me > > > know > > > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord > should be > > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is > ashubha > > since > > > it > > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of > 9th or > > > trine > > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence > should be > > > treated > > > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > aling@ s.com > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. > com>, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, > for dasha > > > > > analysis. The > > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally > if the > > graha > > > > > owns a > > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is > not > > > considered a > > > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and > 8'th , eg - > > Mars > > > for > > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th > *and* 8'th eg - > > Jup > > > > > for > > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in > 5'th *or *8'th > > > not > > > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and > 9'th eg - Sat > > for > > > > > Gemini > > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be > fully good also, > > > > > mixed > > > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses > also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger . > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mkp{ > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:14px 0px;padding:0px 14px;} > #ygrp-mkp hr{ > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} > #ygrp-mkp #hd{ > color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line- height:122%;margin:10px 0px;} > #ygrp-mkp #ads{ > margin-bottom:10px;} > #ygrp-mkp .ad{ > padding:0 0;} > #ygrp-mkp .ad a{ > color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} > --> > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{ > font-family:Arial;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{ > margin:10px 0px;font-weight:bold;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{ > margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} > --> > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family:Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family:Arial; > clear:both;} > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px;} > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text- align:right;} > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left;white-space:nowrap;} > .bld{font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom:10px;} > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text- transform:uppercase;} > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0;margin:2px 0;} > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text- align:right;padding-right:.5em;} > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-vital a{ > text-decoration:none;} > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline;} > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999;font-size:77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #nc{ > background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font- size:100%;line-height:122%;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration:none;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0;} > o{font-size:0;} > .MsoNormal{ > margin:0 0 0 0;} > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120%;} > blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq{margin:4;} > --> > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Hare Rama KrsnaHraum Namah AdityayDear Lalit ji,Namaskar.Are you referring to my chart?I would think 9th from 9th is the boss's boss, and in my chart, Tula lorded by Shukra and there is the 2nd aspect of Rahu.Shani Maharaj is the AMK in my chart. If you look at Surya in Kumbha is in the Nakshatra of Rahu Satabhishak and Rahu in Kanya is in Surya's Nakshatra, Uttara Phalguni. Interestingly my bosses have always been older men(the people I reported to) and I have also had inappropriate behaviour/speech from atleast a few of them. But I have been supported by the executives higher up. And almost when I despaired of having to choose to give up my career, the way had been cleared and that person was invariably been transferred(out of turn) or I was distanced from that place to somewhere else(mostly to my benefit) without any intervention except perhaps the Cosmic. Look at the yuti in Makara which may be the reason for the manifestation/opportunities and Rahu in Kanya where AL, UL and A7 fall.I have comeout of all these problems unscathed but I had to sacrifice a lot in terms of formal recognition like awards for best performance etc, 5th lord aspected by Rahu from AL and AL lord, Budha debilitated. A lot of contribution from my enemies(strong 6th lord), my subordinates involved, cheating and frauds-drishti of Rahu. As Aavesh ji said the 'saving grace' has been that of Guru on Lagna , LL,...Kind regardsNalini litsol <litsolVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Friday, 21 December, 2007 10:28:58 PM[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House- lalit ji Nalini Ji, Namaskaar, can we identify Boss's Boss with Rahu , just a thought came to mind .. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, nalini swamy <nalini2818@ ...> wrote: > > Hare rama Krsna > Hraum Namah Adityay > > Respected ChandraseKhar ji, > Namaskar. > One more thing I would add is that I have always got help from the highest executive in the organisation and from my boss's boss but never from my immediate boss. > > Kind regards > Nalini > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > Thursday, 20 December, 2007 8:57:04 AM > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House- lalit ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nalini, > > > > Let us know how the first half of your Saturn dasha/antar or Pratyantar > fared and we can come to some conclusion. This is so because your > Saturn dasha might not even run. So you could check effects of its > Antar or Pratyantar within the dashas already run. These should be good > periods if such a lord is functional benefic and not so if it is not. I > am saying the first half as the 8th lordship results will come through > at that time. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > nalini swamy wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > Hrau Namah Adityaya > > > > Dear Lalit ji, > > Namaskar. > > > > Take my chart for example, my 8th lord is Sani Maharaj who is also the > 9th lord. The 8th bhava has the 5 and 12 th lord, 6th and 11th > lord(exalted) . > > BTW bhagyasthana is Kumbha occupied by Surya(uttamamsa) . > > I have been always given two versions of it, one -bhagyasthana was > afflicted and another not. > > For premise we could even leave the tenancy of the 9th house and focus > on the lordship alone. > > I would love inputs from Gurus for learning.. > > I also understand it is a piecemeal observation for academic study, not > taking into account other factors. > > Regards > > Nalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > Original Message ---- > > litsol <litsol > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > Wednesday, 19 December, 2007 5:58:21 PM > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House > > > > > Dear Prabodh Ji, > > > > Let's check it with the help of couple of horoscopes. That will be a > > great help to all of us from our Gurus like u. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > aling@ s.com, "Prabodh Vekhande" > > <amolmandar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > First it says > > > > > > "Bhagyavyayadhiptye na randresho na shubhaprada" > > > > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th > > > house. > > > then it goes on > > > > > > "lagnatrikonapavash at sa eva shubhado mataH" > > > > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become > > benefic. > > > > > > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. > > Atleast > > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. > > Which > > > one to read and follow? > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only > when > > > such a > > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not > to > > be > > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha > only > > by > > > being > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the > shloka, > > > with its > > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English > translation) > > > for > > > > your ready reference. > > > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉà d>, > > > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord > to > > 9^th > > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna > or > > > 8^th > > > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please > let me > > > know > > > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord > should be > > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is > ashubha > > since > > > it > > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of > 9th or > > > trine > > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence > should be > > > treated > > > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > aling@ s.com > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. > com>, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, > for dasha > > > > > analysis. The > > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally > if the > > graha > > > > > owns a > > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is > not > > > considered a > > > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and > 8'th , eg - > > Mars > > > for > > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th > *and* 8'th eg - > > Jup > > > > > for > > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in > 5'th *or *8'th > > > not > > > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and > 9'th eg - Sat > > for > > > > > Gemini > > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be > fully good also, > > > > > mixed > > > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses > also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mkp{ > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font- family:Arial; margin:14px 0px;padding: 0px 14px;} > #ygrp-mkp hr{ > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} > #ygrp-mkp #hd{ > color:#628c2a; font-size: 85%;font- weight:bold; line- height:122%; margin:10px 0px;} > #ygrp-mkp #ads{ > margin-bottom: 10px;} > #ygrp-mkp .ad{ > padding:0 0;} > #ygrp-mkp .ad a{ > color:#0000ff; text-decoration: none;} > --> > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{ > font-family: Arial;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{ > margin:10px 0px;font-weight: bold;font- size:78%; line-height: 122%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{ > margin-bottom: 10px;padding: 0 0;} > --> > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family: Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family: Arial; > clear:both;} > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;} > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px;} > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- align:right; } > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left;white- space:nowrap; } > .bld{font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;} > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom: 10px;} > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold; color:#333; text- transform:uppercase ;} > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;} > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text- align:right; padding-right: .5em;} > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-vital a{ > text-decoration: none;} > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999;font- size:77%; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor #nc{ > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font- size:100%;line- height:122% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration: none;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0;} > o{font-size: 0;} > .MsoNormal{ > margin:0 0 0 0;} > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120% ;} > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq{margin: 4;} > --> > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger . > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger. 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Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Dear Nalini ji Namaste Can we get your birth details? I just wanted to understand your wonderful analysis of your chart. I think your A9 should be in 11th along with A8. Is it so? It is just what I could fetch from your analysis. I do not have your chart as I possibly missed that mail in which you gave your chart details. One random thought, can we see boss's boss from 9th from your A9? Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , nalini swamy <nalini2818 wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > Hraum Namah Adityay > Dear Lalit ji, > Namaskar. > Are you referring to my chart? > I would think 9th from 9th is the boss's boss, and in my chart, Tula lorded by Shukra and there is the 2nd aspect of Rahu. > Shani Maharaj is the AMK in my chart. If you look at Surya in Kumbha is in the Nakshatra of Rahu Satabhishak and Rahu in Kanya is in Surya's Nakshatra, Uttara Phalguni. Interestingly my bosses have always been older men(the people I reported to) and I have also had inappropriate behaviour/speech from atleast a few of them. But I have been supported by the executives higher up. And almost when I despaired of having to choose to give up my career, the way had been cleared and that person was invariably been transferred(out of turn) or I was distanced from that place to somewhere else(mostly to my benefit) without any intervention except perhaps the Cosmic. Look at the yuti in Makara which may be the reason for the manifestation/opportunities and Rahu in Kanya where AL, UL and A7 fall. > I have comeout of all these problems unscathed but I had to sacrifice a lot in terms of formal recognition like awards for best performance etc, 5th lord aspected by Rahu from AL and AL lord, Budha debilitated. A lot of contribution from my enemies(strong 6th lord), my subordinates involved, cheating and frauds-drishti of Rahu. As Aavesh ji said the 'saving grace' has been that of Guru on Lagna , LL,... > > Kind regards > Nalini > litsol <litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Friday, 21 December, 2007 10:28:58 PM > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House- lalit ji > > > > > > > Nalini Ji, > > > > Namaskaar, can we identify Boss's Boss with Rahu , just a thought > > came to mind .. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, nalini swamy > > <nalini2818@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Hare rama Krsna > > > Hraum Namah Adityay > > > > > > Respected ChandraseKhar ji, > > > Namaskar. > > > One more thing I would add is that I have always got help from the > > highest executive in the organisation and from my boss's boss but > > never from my immediate boss. > > > > > > Kind regards > > > Nalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har@> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > Thursday, 20 December, 2007 8:57:04 AM > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th > > House- lalit ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nalini, > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us know how the first half of your Saturn dasha/antar or > > Pratyantar > > > fared and we can come to some conclusion. This is so because your > > > Saturn dasha might not even run. So you could check effects of its > > > Antar or Pratyantar within the dashas already run. These should be > > good > > > periods if such a lord is functional benefic and not so if it is > > not. I > > > am saying the first half as the 8th lordship results will come > > through > > > at that time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nalini swamy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > Hrau Namah Adityaya > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit ji, > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take my chart for example, my 8th lord is Sani Maharaj who is also > > the > > > 9th lord. The 8th bhava has the 5 and 12 th lord, 6th and 11th > > > lord(exalted) . > > > > > > BTW bhagyasthana is Kumbha occupied by Surya(uttamamsa) . > > > > > > I have been always given two versions of it, one -bhagyasthana was > > > afflicted and another not. > > > > > > For premise we could even leave the tenancy of the 9th house and > > focus > > > on the lordship alone. > > > > > > I would love inputs from Gurus for learning.. > > > > > > I also understand it is a piecemeal observation for academic study, > > not > > > taking into account other factors. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Nalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > Original Message ---- > > > > > > litsol <litsol > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > > > > Wednesday, 19 December, 2007 5:58:21 PM > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check it with the help of couple of horoscopes. That will be > > a > > > > > > great help to all of us from our Gurus like u. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > aling@ s.com, " Prabodh Vekhande " > > > > > > <amolmandar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First it says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhagyavyayadhiptye na randresho na shubhaprada " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > then it goes on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " lagnatrikonapavash at sa eva shubhado mataH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become > > > > > > benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. > > > > > > Atleast > > > > > > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. > > > > > > Which > > > > > > > one to read and follow? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only > > > when > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not > > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha > > > only > > > > > > by > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the > > > shloka, > > > > > > > with its > > > > > > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English > > > translation) > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > your ready reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉà d>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord > > > to > > > > > > 9^th > > > > > > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna > > > or > > > > > > > 8^th > > > > > > > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please > > > let me > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord > > > should be > > > > > > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is > > > ashubha > > > > > > since > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of > > > 9th or > > > > > > > trine > > > > > > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence > > > should be > > > > > > > treated > > > > > > > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > aling@ s.com > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. > > > com>, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, > > > for dasha > > > > > > > > > analysis. The > > > > > > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally > > > if the > > > > > > graha > > > > > > > > > owns a > > > > > > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is > > > not > > > > > > > considered a > > > > > > > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and > > > 8'th , eg - > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th > > > *and* 8'th eg - > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in > > > 5'th *or *8'th > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and > > > 9'th eg - Sat > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > Gemini > > > > > > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be > > > fully good also, > > > > > > > > > mixed > > > > > > > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses > > > also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://au.messenger . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > > > > > #ygrp-mkp{ > > > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font- family:Arial; 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Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Dear Nalini, That is natural as the 5th house is free from blemish. Chandrashekhar. nalini swamy wrote: Hare rama Krsna Hraum Namah Adityay Respected ChandraseKhar ji, Namaskar. One more thing I would add is that I have always got help from the highest executive in the organisation and from my boss's boss but never from my immediate boss. Kind regards Nalini  ----- Original Message ---- Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > Vedic Astrologyandhealing Thursday, 20 December, 2007 8:57:04 AM Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House- lalit ji Dear Nalini, Let us know how the first half of your Saturn dasha/antar or Pratyantar fared and we can come to some conclusion. This is so because your Saturn dasha might not even run. So you could check effects of its Antar or Pratyantar within the dashas already run. These should be good periods if such a lord is functional benefic and not so if it is not. I am saying the first half as the 8th lordship results will come through at that time. Chandrashekhar. nalini swamy wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Hrau Namah Adityaya Dear Lalit ji, Namaskar. Take my chart for example, my 8th lord is Sani Maharaj who is also the 9th lord. The 8th bhava has the 5 and 12 th lord, 6th and 11th lord(exalted) . BTW bhagyasthana is Kumbha occupied by Surya(uttamamsa) . I have been always given two versions of it, one -bhagyasthana was afflicted and another not. For premise we could even leave the tenancy of the 9th house and focus on the lordship alone. I would love inputs from Gurus for learning.. I also understand it is a piecemeal observation for academic study, not taking into account other factors. Regards Nalini  ----- Original Message ---- litsol <litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com Wednesday, 19 December, 2007 5:58:21 PM [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House Dear Prabodh Ji, Let's check it with the help of couple of horoscopes. That will be a great help to all of us from our Gurus like u. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Prabodh Vekhande" <amolmandar@ ...> wrote: > > Chandrashekhar ji > > First it says > > "Bhagyavyayadhiptye na randresho na shubhaprada" > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th > house. > then it goes on > > "lagnatrikonapavash at sa eva shubhado mataH" > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become benefic. > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. Atleast > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. Which > one to read and follow? > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only when > such a > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not to be > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only by > being > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka, > with its > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation) > for > > your ready reference. > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉà d>, > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to 9^th > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or > 8^th > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let me > know > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since > it > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or > trine > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be > treated > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>, > Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha > > > analysis. The > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha > > > owns a > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not > considered a > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars > for > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - Jup > > > for > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th > not > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for > > > Gemini > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, > > > mixed > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger . 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Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 Hare Rama Krsna Hraum Namah Adityay Respected Prabodh ji, Namaskar. Apologies for tardiness of my reply. My birth details are 28 February 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras, India(un rectified). I am not very sure if the birth time is perfect, it could be on of off a few minutes. This is because I am very keen on accepting a Vrishabha Navamnsha Lagna... still trying to zero in on it and seeking experts' opinion. Thank you for your compliments but I think it is easy to justify events after they happen and it can certainly serve the purpose academically and for fine tuning/honing predictive skills. But true skills veer more towards timing events, predictive aspects. I have done that precisely, try to understand myself through my chart and why what happened. Bhava arudha of 8th house is my 6th house-6th and 11th lord exalted Mars, of 5th house in 8th, of and you know of 9th house in 5th house, that is 9th from 9th. Got the entangling of the intricate web? 9th from A9 would be my lagna mithuna, with A10, A4. I would request your inputs for furthering my learning. Kind Regards Nalini Prabodh Vekhande <amolmandarVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Saturday, 22 December, 2007 2:51:30 AM[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House- lalit ji Dear Nalini ji NamasteCan we get your birth details? I just wanted to understand your wonderful analysis of your chart.I think your A9 should be in 11th along with A8. Is it so? It is just what I could fetch from your analysis. I do not have your chart as I possibly missed that mail in which you gave your chart details.One random thought, can we see boss's boss from 9th from your A9?Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.Prabodh VekhandeJai Jai ShankarHar Har ShankarVedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, nalini swamy <nalini2818@ ...> wrote:>> Hare Rama Krsna> Hraum Namah Adityay> Dear Lalit ji,> Namaskar.> Are you referring to my chart?> I would think 9th from 9th is the boss's boss, and in my chart, Tula lorded by Shukra and there is the 2nd aspect of Rahu.> Shani Maharaj is the AMK in my chart. If you look at Surya in Kumbha is in the Nakshatra of Rahu Satabhishak and Rahu in Kanya is in Surya's Nakshatra, Uttara Phalguni. Interestingly my bosses have always been older men(the people I reported to) and I have also had inappropriate behaviour/speech from atleast a few of them. But I have been supported by the executives higher up. And almost when I despaired of having to choose to give up my career, the way had been cleared and that person was invariably been transferred( out of turn) or I was distanced from that place to somewhere else(mostly to my benefit) without any intervention except perhaps the Cosmic. Look at the yuti in Makara which may be the reason for the manifestation/ opportunities and Rahu in Kanya where AL, UL and A7 fall.> I have comeout of all these problems unscathed but I had to sacrifice a lot in terms of formal recognition like awards for best performance etc, 5th lord aspected by Rahu from AL and AL lord, Budha debilitated. A lot of contribution from my enemies(strong 6th lord), my subordinates involved, cheating and frauds-drishti of Rahu. As Aavesh ji said the 'saving grace' has been that of Guru on Lagna , LL,...> > Kind regards> Nalini > > > > > > > > litsol <litsol> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> Friday, 21 December, 2007 10:28:58 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House- lalit ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nalini Ji,> > > > Namaskaar, can we identify Boss's Boss with Rahu , just a thought > > came to mind ..> > > > regards,> > Lalit.> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, nalini swamy > > <nalini2818@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Hare rama Krsna> > > Hraum Namah Adityay> > > > > > Respected ChandraseKhar ji,> > > Namaskar.> > > One more thing I would add is that I have always got help from the > > highest executive in the organisation and from my boss's boss but > > never from my immediate boss.> > > > > > Kind regards> > > Nalini> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > Thursday, 20 December, 2007 8:57:04 AM> > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th > > House- lalit ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nalini,> > > > > > > > > > > > Let us know how the first half of your Saturn dasha/antar or > > Pratyantar> > > fared and we can come to some conclusion. This is so because your> > > Saturn dasha might not even run. So you could check effects of its> > > Antar or Pratyantar within the dashas already run. These should be > > good> > > periods if such a lord is functional benefic and not so if it is > > not. I> > > am saying the first half as the 8th lordship results will come > > through> > > at that time.> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nalini swamy wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna> > > > > > Hrau Namah Adityaya> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,> > > > > > Namaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > Take my chart for example, my 8th lord is Sani Maharaj who is also > > the> > > 9th lord. The 8th bhava has the 5 and 12 th lord, 6th and 11th> > > lord(exalted) .> > > > > > BTW bhagyasthana is Kumbha occupied by Surya(uttamamsa) .> > > > > > I have been always given two versions of it, one -bhagyasthana was> > > afflicted and another not.> > > > > > For premise we could even leave the tenancy of the 9th house and > > focus> > > on the lordship alone.> > > > > > I would love inputs from Gurus for learning..> > > > > > I also understand it is a piecemeal observation for academic study, > > not> > > taking into account other factors.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Nalini> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----> > > Original Message ----> > > > > > litsol <litsol >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > Wednesday, 19 December, 2007 5:58:21 PM> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check it with the help of couple of horoscopes. That will be > > a > > > > > > great help to all of us from our Gurus like u.> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > aling@ s.com, "Prabodh Vekhande" > > > > > > <amolmandar@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First it says> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhagyavyayadhiptye na randresho na shubhaprada"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > then it goes on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "lagnatrikonapavash at sa eva shubhado mataH"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become > > > > > > benefic.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. > > > > > > Atleast > > > > > > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. > > > > > > Which > > > > > > > one to read and follow?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande> > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar> > > > > > > Har Har Shankar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only> > > when > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not> > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha> > > only > > > > > > by > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the> > > shloka, > > > > > > > with its > > > > > > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English> > > translation) > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > your ready reference.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉà d>,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù |> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9||> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord> > > to > > > > > > 9^th > > > > > > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna> > > or > > > > > > > 8^th > > > > > > > > house he gives benefic results._> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please> > > let me > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > which shloka you are referring to.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord> > > should be> > > > > > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is> > > ashubha > > > > > > since > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of> > > 9th or > > > > > > > trine> > > > > > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence> > > should be > > > > > > > treated> > > > > > > > > as Shubha.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande> > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar> > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > aling@ s.com > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40.> > > com>, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics,> > > for dasha> > > > > > > > > analysis. The> > > > > > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally> > > if the > > > > > > graha> > > > > > > > > owns a> > > > > > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is> > > not > > > > > > > considered a> > > > > > > > > > functional benefic.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and> > > 8'th , eg - > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not> > > considered bad.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th> > > *and* 8'th eg - > > > > > > Jup> > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in> > > 5'th *or *8'th > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > considered bad.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and> > > 9'th eg - Sat > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > Gemini> > > > > > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be> > > fully good also,> > > > > > > > > mixed> > > > > > > > > > > results we should derive.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses> > > also.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://au.messenger .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!--> > > > > > #ygrp-mkp{> > > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font- family:Arial; 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