Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Dear Lalit, Great to know this !! Could you explain the last line of your mail ?? Regards, aavesh litsol <litsol wrote: Dear Aavesh Ji,Namskaar, I m truly very happy that u gave me a very good way of addressing to (earlier -Mr. RK Das now "RK Daa" , yes, it looks sweet, I was never comfortable with "Mr. RK Das" but my mind didn't get space to find what it wants.The term "Bhaiya" has always been my strength and weakness both.regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "rk dash" wrote:>> Aavesh,> Excuse me my poesy. The incidental distinction I touched upon was between> esoteric path(s) and non-esoteric ones. Not between dakshina and vaama.> Where would you put the nocturnal court which the levitating Lahiri Mahasaya> held, with fairies hovering above him and which was espied by his wife, or> for that matter the session at the ghats of Benaras where Yogavatar,> Mahavatar and the latter's sister met nightly? These were all yogis --> rajyogi of the highest order in modern times. You would agree that that was> esoteric. Even kaulachaar should be requiring the adherent to keep his own> counsel. When Yogananda does that (when he writes the autobiography), he> shares his life experiences to the high end of edification of mankind. And> that is after he has GONE THROUGH it all, much as a tathagata. Which is in> order, not needing any defending.> > The Aghora parampara marks out its boundary with 'prapancha' differently.> That should explain the comparison and contrast and contest (the 'spardha')> among *certain* adherents. Mark my use of the word 'prapancha'.> > You have hardly confuted my account.> > I have been using bold letters for words which significantly qualify what I> say, please note, here as also earlier.> > RK> > On 19/12/2007, aavesh t wrote:> >> > *Namaskar AarkayDa and Lalit,*> > **> > *Sorry for intervening in your private discussions.*> > **> > *A couple of points:*> > **> > *(i)The debate whether one should reveal one's Siddhis **has been> > there since time immemorial *> > **> > *(ii)As Aarkayji has pointed out in his poetic language (which goes over> > my head many a time) that the Dakshinmargi school of thought believes in> > keeping one's Siddhis to oneself*> > **> > *(iii)Vama Marga has the other approach.Here spiritual aspirants openly> > challenge each other and often there are duels to prove one's Siddhis.Themuch blamed and criticised Agohoris being part of this school of thought> > *> > **> > *(iv)Ultimately,it comes down to the individual and his relation with his> > Ishta (Personally speaking though I have always beleieved in Swami> > Yukteshwar Giri's approach.**He never exhibited his Siddhis unless> > directed by a higher power to do so (This is vividly described by Yogananda> > in 'Autobiography of a Yogi')*> > **> > *This note is not to take up sides or criticise but just some observations> > from an interested observer of life's Maya !!*> > **> > *Regards,*> > **> > *aavesh *> > **> >> >> >> >> >> > *rk dash * wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > The proscription on *one's* spiritual experience is premised on two> > well-founded tenets.> >> > One, tongue-wagging doesn't enrich it. It cuts down introversion. The> > inward journey peters out. Some exoteric paths seem not to discourage it.> > Another matter. But Satsang is another ball game. Guidence is sought in> > confidence. Much like public display emotion (for some) is a no-no. In> > extreme esoteric paths, it is a game of dice -- often. There stakes are> > high. The higher they are, the more circumspect the seeker must be, or the> > world would come down on him. It (the world) can be nice slaughter house.> >> >> > Two, much of 'That' is ineffable -- *anirvachaniya*. ('That' is a vedic> > favourite as a referent)> >> > RK> >> > On 18/12/2007, litsol wrote:> > >> > > No Sir,> > >> > > I was always single and alone, rahu in 11'th makes sure no> > > frinds....., i was misunderstood for my straightforward uncanny> > > talks , but i had to do such talks, otherwise, this time when it's> > > accepted that spirituality is a gone thing, has no application in> > > real life, those who are spiritual are outdated antique .. people and> > > particularly narrowminded indian girls and reporters of confused news> > > papers like times of india, I decided to put everything as it is,> > > without no mixing.> > >> > > Still there were threats to taken as egoists or self promoting person> > > coz putting truth, truth being most unusual things and particularly> > > when every body has a fixed frame of mind, taken as a egoist is> > > obvious. but truth is absolute, some elders asked me not to tell> > > spiritual experiences openly otherwise i can loose them, why even in> > > the lap of the moher god one will care loss and gain ? at least in> > > spirituality there is no loss.. cant be there.> > >> > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > >> > > --- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing 40>,> > > "rk dash"> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > You could have said 'chhandanuvritte...' not gyanam vandhanam. Till> > > I read> > > > your reply today I thought the guy had a very strong line of> > > followers> > > > (subservient worker bees) who lose no time in singing his prasasti> > > whenever> > > > there is a threat to his carefully constructed reputation. That is> > > what I> > > > meant. The resaon was to avoid any direct talk about unpleasant> > > things and> > > > people. 'At the drop of a turban' was my adaptation of the> > > phrase 'at the> > > > drop of a hat' to what pundits' headgear.> > > >> > > > RK> > > >> > > >> > > > On 17/12/2007, litsol wrote:> > > > >> > > > > " A formidable line of drone who can spring a most awesome> > > ergo noisome> > > > > canticle of accomplishments, at the drop of a turban"> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > My english is like my english only ..... what u said is difficult> > > for me> > > > > to understand, I dont know what is "canticle", do u mean "stuti"> > > and turban> > > > > means "pagari or safa"... then what is drone? something that> > > keeps playing> > > > > in a instrument wihout attension ... then what meaning it carries> > > altogather> > > > > ?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I dont understand it, but what i can say is, without a fall, God> > > has and> > > > > will ensure relevance of spirituality in my life, I see how all> > > are dancing> > > > > those who are knowledgable and also those who are ignorant.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > !! Gyanam Bandhanam !!> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > If u want to see the God, I mean wish to realize it, It will> > > happen, it> > > > > will happen, It will happen !!> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Sir, it's very easy and then easy is any task u want to do we> > > have to> > > > > traverse the maya, and mayapati is always with us...> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > >> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > *With Best Wishes,*> > **> > *aavesh*> >> > ------------------------------> > Save all your chat conversations. Find them online.nger./webmessengerpromo.php>> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Dear Sir, Can i tell u about my strange meeting with a Aghora Sadhaka, I think he was the first mysterious person in my life. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > > Good Morning Aarkayji, > > Another brilliant mail from you Sir. > > I am in full agreement with what you have said regarding the fact that Yogananda was fully qualified to write on his experiences regarding 'Siddhis' (In fact the book was written on the instructions of Mahavtar Babaji as many are aware) > > Aghora is a different matter altogether.It is easily one of the least understood and much maligned systems today. > > It is a real pity that a system which owes it's origins to Lord Dattatreya and Lord Shiva has been so grossly misunderstood and misused > > Personally speaking I tend to keep an open mind on spiritual practices (not being judgmental itself is a great virtue on this path) > > As they to 'each his own' > > Regards, > > aavesh > > > > rk dash <arkaydash wrote: > Aavesh, > Excuse me my poesy. The incidental distinction I touched upon was between esoteric path(s) and non-esoteric ones. Not between dakshina and vaama. Where would you put the nocturnal court which the levitating Lahiri Mahasaya held, with fairies hovering above him and which was espied by his wife, or for that matter the session at the ghats of Benaras where Yogavatar, Mahavatar and the latter's sister met nightly? These were all yogis -- rajyogi of the highest order in modern times. You would agree that that was esoteric. Even kaulachaar should be requiring the adherent to keep his own counsel. When Yogananda does that (when he writes the autobiography), he shares his life experiences to the high end of edification of mankind. And that is after he has GONE THROUGH it all, much as a tathagata. Which is in order, not needing any defending. > > The Aghora parampara marks out its boundary with 'prapancha' differently. That should explain the comparison and contrast and contest (the 'spardha') among certain adherents. Mark my use of the word 'prapancha'. > > You have hardly confuted my account. > > I have been using bold letters for words which significantly qualify what I say, please note, here as also earlier. > > RK > > On 19/12/2007, aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: Namaskar AarkayDa and Lalit, > > Sorry for intervening in your private discussions. > > A couple of points: > > (i)The debate whether one should reveal one's Siddhis has been there since time immemorial > > (ii)As Aarkayji has pointed out in his poetic language (which goes over my head many a time) that the Dakshinmargi school of thought believes in keeping one's Siddhis to oneself > > (iii)Vama Marga has the other approach.Here spiritual aspirants openly challenge each other and often there are duels to prove one's Siddhis.The much blamed and criticised Agohoris being part of this school of thought > > (iv)Ultimately,it comes down to the individual and his relation with his Ishta (Personally speaking though I have always beleieved in Swami Yukteshwar Giri's approach. He never exhibited his Siddhis unless directed by a higher power to do so (This is vividly described by Yogananda in 'Autobiography of a Yogi') > > This note is not to take up sides or criticise but just some observations from an interested observer of life's Maya !! > > Regards, > > aavesh rk dash <arkaydash wrote: > Dear Lalit, > The proscription on one's spiritual experience is premised on two well-founded tenets. > > One, tongue-wagging doesn't enrich it. It cuts down introversion. The inward journey peters out. Some exoteric paths seem not to discourage it. Another matter. But Satsang is another ball game. Guidence is sought in confidence. Much like public display emotion (for some) is a no-no. In extreme esoteric paths, it is a game of dice -- often. There stakes are high. The higher they are, the more circumspect the seeker must be, or the world would come down on him. It (the world) can be nice slaughter house. > > Two, much of 'That' is ineffable -- anirvachaniya. ('That' is a vedic favourite as a referent) > > RK > > On 18/12/2007, litsol <litsol wrote: No Sir, > > I was always single and alone, rahu in 11'th makes sure no > frinds....., i was misunderstood for my straightforward uncanny > talks , but i had to do such talks, otherwise, this time when it's > accepted that spirituality is a gone thing, has no application in > real life, those who are spiritual are outdated antique .. people and > particularly narrowminded indian girls and reporters of confused news > papers like times of india, I decided to put everything as it is, > without no mixing. > > Still there were threats to taken as egoists or self promoting person > coz putting truth, truth being most unusual things and particularly > when every body has a fixed frame of mind, taken as a egoist is > obvious. but truth is absolute, some elders asked me not to tell > spiritual experiences openly otherwise i can loose them, why even in > the lap of the moher god one will care loss and gain ? at least in > spirituality there is no loss.. cant be there. > > regards, > Lalit. > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " rk dash " > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > You could have said 'chhandanuvritte...' not gyanam vandhanam. Till > I read > > your reply today I thought the guy had a very strong line of > followers > > (subservient worker bees) who lose no time in singing his prasasti > whenever > > there is a threat to his carefully constructed reputation. That is > what I > > meant. The resaon was to avoid any direct talk about unpleasant > things and > > people. 'At the drop of a turban' was my adaptation of the > phrase 'at the > > drop of a hat' to what pundits' headgear. > > > > RK > > > > > > On 17/12/2007, litsol <litsol@> wrote: > > > > > > " A formidable line of drone who can spring a most awesome > ergo noisome > > > canticle of accomplishments, at the drop of a turban " > > > > > > > > > > > > My english is like my english only ..... what u said is difficult > for me > > > to understand, I dont know what is " canticle " , do u mean " stuti " > and turban > > > means " pagari or safa " ... then what is drone? something that > keeps playing > > > in a instrument wihout attension ... then what meaning it carries > altogather > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont understand it, but what i can say is, without a fall, God > has and > > > will ensure relevance of spirituality in my life, I see how all > are dancing > > > those who are knowledgable and also those who are ignorant. > > > > > > > > > > > > !! Gyanam Bandhanam !! > > > > > > > > > > > > If u want to see the God, I mean wish to realize it, It will > happen, it > > > will happen, It will happen !! > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, it's very easy and then easy is any task u want to do we > have to > > > traverse the maya, and mayapati is always with us... > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > aavesh > > > Save all your chat conversations. Find them online. > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Dear Sir, It's personal incident, but ok, i will tell u.... I was in my class 5'th and my younger sister was in class 1'st in the same school, she w'd come to me to have her tiffin with me, I had my own friend circle, one day, she come to my classroom, called me " Bhaiya .... " , I ignored her presence as my friend's sisters never come to have their tiffin. I was a very impressive boy in my school days, my friends didnt want her with me in lunch time, i scolded my sister before all, her face tutned yellow, her innocent eyes had tears rolling down and she run back to her class,she didnt eat her tiffin .. i did. I even didnt call her to come along with me to home, she remained waiting there in class..., when i reached home, i didnt find her.. My mom asked me where is she ? I realized my fault, I ran to school, where she was still sitting in her class weeping ... This innocence and dedication made me weak forever.., i couldn't forget my cruality, She is my strength too, when i was stuggling and had no belief on God, I dislike visiting tempels, deriding prayers, she was supporting me like a guide, saying " Bhaiya, You are wrong " ... She always reminded me that i m not the crowd, She always wanted me to find the stength within, to face the competition..., She understood me and cared me a lot. She didnt get visions like i got, doesnt know astrology, have not read classics, but she is full of rare wisdom, when somebody or girl addresses me with " Bhaiya " , I get lost in the sweetness of the term. For 2 - 3 years, no girl called me " Bhaiya " , In delhi, all the tea coffee vendors, three wheeler drivers, waiters etc .. are called " Bhaiya " , Girls accopmpained with idiot Boy Friend, call them " Bhaiya " .... regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > > Great to know this !! > > Could you explain the last line of your mail ?? > > Regards, > > aavesh > > > litsol <litsol wrote: > Dear Aavesh Ji, > > Namskaar, I m truly very happy that u gave me a very good way of > addressing to (earlier -Mr. RK Das now " RK Daa " , yes, it looks > sweet, I was never comfortable with " Mr. RK Das " but my mind didn't > get space to find what it wants. > > The term " Bhaiya " has always been my strength and weakness both. > > regards, > Lalit. > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " rk dash " > wrote: > > > > Aavesh, > > Excuse me my poesy. The incidental distinction I touched upon was > between > > esoteric path(s) and non-esoteric ones. Not between dakshina and > vaama. > > Where would you put the nocturnal court which the levitating Lahiri > Mahasaya > > held, with fairies hovering above him and which was espied by his > wife, or > > for that matter the session at the ghats of Benaras where Yogavatar, > > Mahavatar and the latter's sister met nightly? These were all > yogis -- > > rajyogi of the highest order in modern times. You would agree that > that was > > esoteric. Even kaulachaar should be requiring the adherent to keep > his own > > counsel. When Yogananda does that (when he writes the > autobiography), he > > shares his life experiences to the high end of edification of > mankind. And > > that is after he has GONE THROUGH it all, much as a tathagata. > Which is in > > order, not needing any defending. > > > > The Aghora parampara marks out its boundary with 'prapancha' > differently. > > That should explain the comparison and contrast and contest > (the 'spardha') > > among *certain* adherents. Mark my use of the word 'prapancha'. > > > > You have hardly confuted my account. > > > > I have been using bold letters for words which significantly > qualify what I > > say, please note, here as also earlier. > > > > RK > > > > On 19/12/2007, aavesh t wrote: > > > > > > *Namaskar AarkayDa and Lalit,* > > > ** > > > *Sorry for intervening in your private discussions.* > > > ** > > > *A couple of points:* > > > ** > > > *(i)The debate whether one should reveal one's Siddhis **has been > > > there since time immemorial * > > > ** > > > *(ii)As Aarkayji has pointed out in his poetic language (which > goes over > > > my head many a time) that the Dakshinmargi school of thought > believes in > > > keeping one's Siddhis to oneself* > > > ** > > > *(iii)Vama Marga has the other approach.Here spiritual aspirants > openly > > > challenge each other and often there are duels to prove one's > Siddhis.Themuch blamed and criticised Agohoris being part of this > school of thought > > > * > > > ** > > > *(iv)Ultimately,it comes down to the individual and his relation > with his > > > Ishta (Personally speaking though I have always beleieved in Swami > > > Yukteshwar Giri's approach.**He never exhibited his Siddhis unless > > > directed by a higher power to do so (This is vividly described by > Yogananda > > > in 'Autobiography of a Yogi')* > > > ** > > > *This note is not to take up sides or criticise but just some > observations > > > from an interested observer of life's Maya !!* > > > ** > > > *Regards,* > > > ** > > > *aavesh * > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *rk dash * wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > The proscription on *one's* spiritual experience is premised on > two > > > well-founded tenets. > > > > > > One, tongue-wagging doesn't enrich it. It cuts down introversion. > The > > > inward journey peters out. Some exoteric paths seem not to > discourage it. > > > Another matter. But Satsang is another ball game. Guidence is > sought in > > > confidence. Much like public display emotion (for some) is a no- > no. In > > > extreme esoteric paths, it is a game of dice -- often. There > stakes are > > > high. The higher they are, the more circumspect the seeker must > be, or the > > > world would come down on him. It (the world) can be nice > slaughter house. > > > > > > > > > Two, much of 'That' is ineffable -- *anirvachaniya*. ('That' is a > vedic > > > favourite as a referent) > > > > > > RK > > > > > > On 18/12/2007, litsol > wrote: > > > > > > > > No Sir, > > > > > > > > I was always single and alone, rahu in 11'th makes sure no > > > > frinds....., i was misunderstood for my straightforward uncanny > > > > talks , but i had to do such talks, otherwise, this time when > it's > > > > accepted that spirituality is a gone thing, has no application > in > > > > real life, those who are spiritual are outdated antique .. > people and > > > > particularly narrowminded indian girls and reporters of > confused news > > > > papers like times of india, I decided to put everything as it > is, > > > > without no mixing. > > > > > > > > Still there were threats to taken as egoists or self promoting > person > > > > coz putting truth, truth being most unusual things and > particularly > > > > when every body has a fixed frame of mind, taken as a egoist is > > > > obvious. but truth is absolute, some elders asked me not to tell > > > > spiritual experiences openly otherwise i can loose them, why > even in > > > > the lap of the moher god one will care loss and gain ? at least > in > > > > spirituality there is no loss.. cant be there. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > --- In > Vedic Astrologyandhealing 40>, > > > > " rk dash " > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You could have said 'chhandanuvritte...' not gyanam > vandhanam. Till > > > > I read > > > > > your reply today I thought the guy had a very strong line of > > > > followers > > > > > (subservient worker bees) who lose no time in singing his > prasasti > > > > whenever > > > > > there is a threat to his carefully constructed reputation. > That is > > > > what I > > > > > meant. The resaon was to avoid any direct talk about > unpleasant > > > > things and > > > > > people. 'At the drop of a turban' was my adaptation of the > > > > phrase 'at the > > > > > drop of a hat' to what pundits' headgear. > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17/12/2007, litsol > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " A formidable line of drone who can spring a most awesome > > > > ergo noisome > > > > > > canticle of accomplishments, at the drop of a turban " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My english is like my english only ..... what u said is > difficult > > > > for me > > > > > > to understand, I dont know what is " canticle " , do u > mean " stuti " > > > > and turban > > > > > > means " pagari or safa " ... then what is drone? something that > > > > keeps playing > > > > > > in a instrument wihout attension ... then what meaning it > carries > > > > altogather > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont understand it, but what i can say is, without a > fall, God > > > > has and > > > > > > will ensure relevance of spirituality in my life, I see how > all > > > > are dancing > > > > > > those who are knowledgable and also those who are ignorant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > !! Gyanam Bandhanam !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If u want to see the God, I mean wish to realize it, It will > > > > happen, it > > > > > > will happen, It will happen !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, it's very easy and then easy is any task u want to do > we > > > > have to > > > > > > traverse the maya, and mayapati is always with us... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *With Best Wishes,* > > > ** > > > *aavesh* > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Save all your chat conversations. 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Guest guest Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Aavesh, You mean you approach every path/paramparaa with dis'passion'. Unlikely. The misunderstanding thing in you mail is actually under-understanding. One attains over-understanding of one parampara and moves on (even above) to another. One may even be astride two (at least two) vehicles. So, it is not as if one is 'hinayaan' and the other is a 'mahayaan' -- or whatever is under-understood is 'vajrajaan'! Paths meander and enmesh in mind-boggling ways. Show me a road that does meet or cuts thru another. Rarely will you find one going from one hut to another. (The hermitage is gone in age of interrnet mart. Don't despair as you have done in a later mail. Watch.) But mind needn't boggle. If it does for long, it's signal it is time you grabbed hold of a walker's feet. (What say, Lalit?) Dattatreya was a jnanavataar of Shiva. A purnavataar as far as jnana is concerned, not purnavataar per se though. Now shall we say: each his own; or Aavesh, a rolling stone? My case rests. RK On 20/12/2007, aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: Good Morning Aarkayji, Another brilliant mail from you Sir. I am in full agreement with what you have said regarding the fact that Yogananda was fully qualified to write on his experiences regarding 'Siddhis' (In fact the book was written on the instructions of Mahavtar Babaji as many are aware) Aghora is a different matter altogether.It is easily one of the least understood and much maligned systems today. It is a real pity that a system which owes it's origins to Lord Dattatreya and Lord Shiva has been so grossly misunderstood and misused Personally speaking I tend to keep an open mind on spiritual practices (not being judgmental itself is a great virtue on this path) As they to 'each his own' Regards, aavesh rk dash <arkaydash wrote: Aavesh, Excuse me my poesy. The incidental distinction I touched upon was between esoteric path(s) and non-esoteric ones. Not between dakshina and vaama. Where would you put the nocturnal court which the levitating Lahiri Mahasaya held, with fairies hovering above him and which was espied by his wife, or for that matter the session at the ghats of Benaras where Yogavatar, Mahavatar and the latter's sister met nightly? These were all yogis -- rajyogi of the highest order in modern times. You would agree that that was esoteric. Even kaulachaar should be requiring the adherent to keep his own counsel. When Yogananda does that (when he writes the autobiography), he shares his life experiences to the high end of edification of mankind. And that is after he has GONE THROUGH it all, much as a tathagata. Which is in order, not needing any defending. The Aghora parampara marks out its boundary with 'prapancha' differently. That should explain the comparison and contrast and contest (the 'spardha') among certain adherents. Mark my use of the word 'prapancha'. You have hardly confuted my account. I have been using bold letters for words which significantly qualify what I say, please note, here as also earlier. RK On 19/12/2007, aavesh t <aavesh_s > wrote: Namaskar AarkayDa and Lalit, Sorry for intervening in your private discussions. A couple of points: (i)The debate whether one should reveal one's Siddhis has been there since time immemorial (ii)As Aarkayji has pointed out in his poetic language (which goes over my head many a time) that the Dakshinmargi school of thought believes in keeping one's Siddhis to oneself (iii)Vama Marga has the other approach.Here spiritual aspirants openly challenge each other and often there are duels to prove one's Siddhis.The much blamed and criticised Agohoris being part of this school of thought (iv)Ultimately,it comes down to the individual and his relation with his Ishta (Personally speaking though I have always beleieved in Swami Yukteshwar Giri's approach. He never exhibited his Siddhis unless directed by a higher power to do so (This is vividly described by Yogananda in 'Autobiography of a Yogi') This note is not to take up sides or criticise but just some observations from an interested observer of life's Maya !! Regards, aavesh rk dash <arkaydash wrote: Dear Lalit, The proscription on one's spiritual experience is premised on two well-founded tenets. One, tongue-wagging doesn't enrich it. It cuts down introversion. The inward journey peters out. Some exoteric paths seem not to discourage it. Another matter. But Satsang is another ball game. Guidence is sought in confidence. Much like public display emotion (for some) is a no-no. In extreme esoteric paths, it is a game of dice -- often. There stakes are high. The higher they are, the more circumspect the seeker must be, or the world would come down on him. It (the world) can be nice slaughter house. Two, much of 'That' is ineffable -- anirvachaniya. ('That' is a vedic favourite as a referent) RK On 18/12/2007, litsol <litsol wrote: No Sir,I was always single and alone, rahu in 11'th makes sure no frinds....., i was misunderstood for my straightforward uncanny talks , but i had to do such talks, otherwise, this time when it's accepted that spirituality is a gone thing, has no application in real life, those who are spiritual are outdated antique .. people and particularly narrowminded indian girls and reporters of confused news papers like times of india, I decided to put everything as it is, without no mixing.Still there were threats to taken as egoists or self promoting person coz putting truth, truth being most unusual things and particularly when every body has a fixed frame of mind, taken as a egoist is obvious. but truth is absolute, some elders asked me not to tell spiritual experiences openly otherwise i can loose them, why even in the lap of the moher god one will care loss and gain ? at least in spirituality there is no loss.. cant be there.regards,Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " rk dash " <arkaydash wrote:>> You could have said 'chhandanuvritte...' not gyanam vandhanam. Till I read> your reply today I thought the guy had a very strong line of followers> (subservient worker bees) who lose no time in singing his prasasti whenever> there is a threat to his carefully constructed reputation. That is what I> meant. The resaon was to avoid any direct talk about unpleasant things and> people. 'At the drop of a turban' was my adaptation of the phrase 'at the> drop of a hat' to what pundits' headgear. > > RK> > > On 17/12/2007, litsol <litsol wrote:> >> > " A formidable line of drone who can spring a most awesome ergo noisome> > canticle of accomplishments, at the drop of a turban " > >> >> >> > My english is like my english only ..... what u said is difficult for me> > to understand, I dont know what is " canticle " , do u mean " stuti " and turban> > means " pagari or safa " ... then what is drone? something that keeps playing> > in a instrument wihout attension ... then what meaning it carries altogather> > ? > >> >> >> > I dont understand it, but what i can say is, without a fall, God has and> > will ensure relevance of spirituality in my life, I see how all are dancing > > those who are knowledgable and also those who are ignorant.> >> >> >> > !! Gyanam Bandhanam !!> >> >> >> > If u want to see the God, I mean wish to realize it, It will happen, it> > will happen, It will happen !!> >> >> >> > Sir, it's very easy and then easy is any task u want to do we have to> > traverse the maya, and mayapati is always with us... > >> >> >> > regards,> >> > Lalit.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> With Best Wishes, aavesh Save all your chat conversations. Find them online. Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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