Guest guest Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Dear Sir, I m convinced with ur reasoning and observations, it will be interesting to see, what Chandra Sir has to say in this regard, He is an elderly guru and he must have noticed something very concrete to tell us. It's going to be very exciting now .. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " appulali " <appulali wrote: > > Chandra Sir, I am confused by your statements. > > " Her appearance also does not seem to fit the lagna with Saturn there. " > > Why do you say? Saturn fits your sad face and widowhood just like Indira. > > " Her being away from her land of birth too does not appear to be shown > by the chart " . With Rahu in 12th to moon and LL in 12th, what more > should we look for? > > Europe & US from 1850 have very accurate recordings of birth and > death. So It will be very difficult to tweak date and year of birth. > Strong Venus shows her rise thru marriage. But when she entered > politics congress was in a very weak position. > > Another reason, I feel it is correct is the oath taking of Manmohan > singh on Saturday, 5:30pm, Gemini moon sign, libra asc, may 22nd, 2004 > and her sade sani period. I know this is a never ending argument. But > I am interested in the 2 reasons atleast for the case of my learning. > > Sridhar > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > > She does have a Malavya yoga. Venus is strong n navamsha too. Two > > malefics are in upachaya. Yet as you rightly said, the strength of > yogas > > is not to the extent expected. Her appearance also does not seem to fit > > the lagna with Saturn there. Her being away from her land of birth too > > does not appear to be shown by the chart. With celebrities one does not > > know as to whether one is getting the right chart. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > aavesh t wrote: > > > *Namaskar Chandrashekarji and Lalitji,* > > > ** > > > *Is this her actual chart ??* > > > ** > > > *There seem to be no prominent Rajyogas to justify her present > position* > > > ** > > > *If I am missing something please let me know* > > > ** > > > *Regards,* > > > ** > > > *aavesh* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>/* wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > I think the place of birth is Orbassano Italy 45N1 7E32 > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > litsol wrote: > > >> *Sonia Gandhi's horoscope*: > > >> Her birth data available to the author is: > > >> Date of birth : > > >> *9th Dec.1946 * > > >> Time of birth : *21:30 hrs. ( Italian Zonal Standard Time) * > > >> Place of birth : *Turin (Italy) 45N03, 07E40* > > >> > > >> The horoscope drawn for this data, using Chitrapakshiya Ayanamsa, > > >> is as follows: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > *With Best Wishes,* > > > ** > > > *aavesh* > > > > > > > -- ---- > > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT > > > > <http://in.rd./tagline_webmessenger_1/*http://in.messenger.ya hoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php> > > > > from any browser, without download. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Dear Chandrashekarji and Lalit, Chandrashekarji has made a valid point. The reason I doubted the authenticity of her horoscope is that it does not match with her facial features in anyway She should have a strong Guru in her chart considering the depth of her forehead.In addition, considering the circumstances of her husband's death,she should be Manglik at the very least Her time of birth can be rectified. However,I never waste my time for politicians' charts (I can read two charts in this time and help a troubled person is my view) Regards, aavesh Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: Dear Lalit,Whether she worked for it or not, for that strong a raj yoga, the indications have to be in the chart. Again one has to understand that the physical body of the jataka has to match the chart, which this one does not. Take care,Chandrashekhar.litsol wrote: Resp. Chandrashekhar Ji,Namskaar, Sonia has not won the leadership by her work, it is just gifted to her by consequences, she got it like any spouse get's her husband's property after his death. And she even doesnt understand the requirements of our nation, all she knows is her family and congress party is her family affair.She has not expressed her opinion for any of issues india is facing like - reservation, terrorism, economic policies ..., foreign affairs.I dont think She knows any thing.., she is only managing her family business.. and we indians are used to such leaderships.regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > If rising from a small town girl ( some say a waitress) to head of a 100 > years plus party is not rise then what could be? There has to be a very > powerful yoga for this to happen. Then again one's physical > characteristics have also to match the chart before we accept a chart as > the right one. Or at least that is my opinion.> > take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > litsol wrote:> >> > Dear Sir,> >> > Here what we are missing is the relativity, rise to a position is a> > relative phinomina.> >> > Sonia's case, if we examine the chart and look at her current status,> > she is absolutely no where, have been no where, i mean held no> > position, she never had a good profession but enjoyed all what venus> > conferred on her. I dont know much about arudha, she is having a> > strong arudha, even arudha too is not sweet, BJP always highlights> > her foreign origin and in case of quatrochi, we have seen she prefers> > family links to principles.> >> > mars in 6'th in own sign, gives good support form co - workers, this> > is giving her strength within the party.> >> > As Sridhar sir has clerly explained saturn has gifted her lots of> > sacrifice and sadness is always seen in her face, she is still in a> > phase of keep the party in the order.> >> > Problem is her son, Problem is her daughters marriage to a> > insignificant low family with no intellectuality. Unless, Priyanka> > also shows signs of sacrifice, she is not going to win indian heart.> > simply put, road shows will not work,thus decline of the family is> > not far off.> >> > regards,> > Lalit.> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Aavesh,> > >> > > She does have a Malavya yoga. Venus is strong n navamsha too. Two> > > malefics are in upachaya. Yet as you rightly said, the strength of> > yogas> > > is not to the extent expected. Her appearance also does not seem to> > fit> > > the lagna with Saturn there. Her being away from her land of birth> > too> > > does not appear to be shown by the chart. With celebrities one does> > not> > > know as to whether one is getting the right chart.> > >> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > >> > > aavesh t wrote:> > > > *Namaskar Chandrashekarji and Lalitji,*> > > > **> > > > *Is this her actual chart ??*> > > > **> > > > *There seem to be no prominent Rajyogas to justify her present> > position*> > > > **> > > > *If I am missing something please let me know*> > > > **> > > > *Regards,*> > > > **> > > > *aavesh*> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>/* wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > I think the place of birth is Orbassano Italy 45N1 7E32> > > >> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > litsol wrote:> > > >> *Sonia Gandhi's horoscope*:> > > >> Her birth data available to the author is:> > > >> Date of birth :> > > >> *9th Dec.1946 *> > > >> Time of birth : *21:30 hrs. ( Italian Zonal Standard> > Time) *> > > >> Place of birth : *Turin (Italy) 45N03, 07E40*> > > >>> > > >> The horoscope drawn for this data, using Chitrapakshiya> > Ayanamsa,> > > >> is as follows:> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *With Best Wishes,*> > > > **> > > > *aavesh*> > > >> > > > -------------------------> > ------> > > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT> > > >> > <http://in.rd./tagline_webmessenger_1/*http://in.messenger.ya> > <http://in.rd./tagline_webmessenger_1/*http://in.messenger.ya>> > hoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php>> > > > from any browser, without download.> > > >> > >> >> >> Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Dear Sridhar, Saturn should give her a more lean frame, aquiline features and somewhat stooping and slow walk, besides relatively dark colour. Note that unlike Indira she does not have Moon aspecting the lagna. It should also have delay her marriage. I think she married in 1969 or so. Two benefics Jupiter and Venus ( with digbala) in 4th also does not speak of having to go to distant lands. And she should have easily graduated. I think she only did a certificate course. There are other reasons too that indicate the possibility of the chart not being right. As to correct recording of time of birth, in Europe of US, I must disagree as no one mentions what time in the entire process of birth is recorded as the birth time. I doubt if the time of first intake of birth is recorded even in those countries. As a matter of fact, it is in ancient India that time of first breath indicate by the cry of the child used to be recorded as the lady used to deliver at home and male folks sitting outside the labour room used to record the time using the Ghatika patra. Take care, Chandrashekhar. appulali wrote: Chandra Sir, I am confused by your statements. "Her appearance also does not seem to fit the lagna with Saturn there." Why do you say? Saturn fits your sad face and widowhood just like Indira. "Her being away from her land of birth too does not appear to be shown by the chart". With Rahu in 12th to moon and LL in 12th, what more should we look for? Europe & US from 1850 have very accurate recordings of birth and death. So It will be very difficult to tweak date and year of birth. Strong Venus shows her rise thru marriage. But when she entered politics congress was in a very weak position. Another reason, I feel it is correct is the oath taking of Manmohan singh on Saturday, 5:30pm, Gemini moon sign, libra asc, may 22nd, 2004 and her sade sani period. I know this is a never ending argument. But I am interested in the 2 reasons atleast for the case of my learning. Sridhar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Aavesh, > > She does have a Malavya yoga. Venus is strong n navamsha too. Two > malefics are in upachaya. Yet as you rightly said, the strength of yogas > is not to the extent expected. Her appearance also does not seem to fit > the lagna with Saturn there. Her being away from her land of birth too > does not appear to be shown by the chart. With celebrities one does not > know as to whether one is getting the right chart. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > aavesh t wrote: > > *Namaskar Chandrashekarji and Lalitji,* > > ** > > *Is this her actual chart ??* > > ** > > *There seem to be no prominent Rajyogas to justify her present position* > > ** > > *If I am missing something please let me know* > > ** > > *Regards,* > > ** > > *aavesh* > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar/* wrote: > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > I think the place of birth is Orbassano Italy 45N1 7E32 > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > litsol wrote: > >> *Sonia Gandhi's horoscope*: > >> Her birth data available to the author is: > >> Date of birth : > >> *9th Dec.1946 * > >> Time of birth : *21:30 hrs. ( Italian Zonal Standard Time) * > >> Place of birth : *Turin (Italy) 45N03, 07E40* > >> > >> The horoscope drawn for this data, using Chitrapakshiya Ayanamsa, > >> is as follows: > >> > > > > > > > > *With Best Wishes,* > > ** > > *aavesh* > > > > ------------------------- > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT > > <http://in.rd./tagline_webmessenger_1/*http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php> > > from any browser, without download. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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