How to look at chart - Let's burn the concepts of benific/malific !!

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Hare ramakrishna ,

 

dear lalit ,

 

here i fully endorses resp -chandra sekhar jis opinions ,i heard storeis of many astrologers ,hardeo sharma of north and even contemparary of BV raman ,sri veluri rama moorthy and many old village pundits of kerla who mused Tipu sultan during his attacks to kerala ,even some one dared to tell him from today onwards ur day is numbered (Machattu elayathu ) .

also many nadi astrologers livs mostly in south and some brigu sastries like Nathu ram of rajastan ( from memeory may be place is wrong ) who still flag ship of astrology and its predictiv abilities .

so we cannot rash in our decisions ,again no regionlism i meant here as i can speak from what i know .

 

regrds sunil nair .

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > I do not think it is right to say that Kalyanverman, Mantreshwar or > Vaidyanath were not predictive astrologers. These are respected > astrologers of repute beyond doubt. Is there any basis for your saying > that they were known not to do significant predictions? Same for K. N. > Rao and B. V. Raman. I do not know whether you are aware that B. V. > Raman was called modern day Varaha Mihira. I may also put it on record > that I doubt whether there is any living astrologer today who can either > cast a chart from the answers to questions asked by the nadi astrologers > or give names of the jataka and his immediate family on looking at the > chart given to him. As a matter of fact when some of my shishyas get a > swollen head due to one or two predictions having come true, I ask them > to go to a nadi reader and see whether they can accomplish what he does > for the state of the jataka on the date of visit and then only criticize > some one for a failed prediction and feel elated about one's correct > prediction.> > Chandrashekhar.> > litsol wrote:> >> > Dear Kiran,> >> > SJC and particularly Sanjay Rath though took astrology to a new> > plateform has done considerable harm to astrology by bringing in so> > much D1, D2, D3, D5 .. D100 etc.., secondary is secondary ..., still,> > i accept him like newton, but i will ensure a shift in astrology from> > newton's era to einsteen's era.> >> > Compartment approach block's astrologers vision that's why we have> > not seen any performing noteworthy astrologer after varahmihira.> >> > kalyan verma, mantreswra or vaidyanaath are not known for doing> > significant predictions, same is true for so called nadi astrologers,> > u read books written by KN Rao and BV Raman, u wont open them second> > time.> >> > i m asking same what u have said, a holistic approach and that will> > come by burning benefic/malific like immature concepts, a graha has> > it's own properties, own karakatwa, it does what it has to do, where> > a generalization like malific or benefic comes in picture.> >> > life has a flow and in the incessant flow where compartments/houses> > comes, there are waves ... the wavefront's should be identified by> > houses and should be understood.> >> > What i m saying is very core forgotten basic...> >> > regards,> > Lalit.> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "kiran.rama"> > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalitji,> > >> > > Please be patient before casting aspersions on historical> > approaches.> > >> > > Astrology is a holistic science.> > >> > > First step is to understand how to analyze D-1 and basic Vimsottari> > > dasa - only then talk about other concepts.> > >> > > I am also a learner and will try to help whereever I am clear in> > concepts> > >> > > Regards> > > kiran> > >> > >> > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "litsol" <litsol@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Elders and Group,> > > >> > > > The more i do read charts and astrology classics, The more I get> > > > confused ........> > > >> > > > I get the idea that in the last 1000 - 1200 years, we have missed> > the> > > > way to look at a chart...., is the house specific approach or the> > planet> > > > specific approach, i mean benific planet / susthana or> > malific/dusthana> > > > is the right way to study one's life through the chart...> > > >> > > > I think we will have to burn the immature concepts of> > > > benific/malific.... etc.. a chart should be treated as a living> > > > individual. when we had a review of definitions given like trika,> > > > dustha, koopa etc... from the perspective of continuity of life.> > > >> > > > Like development in physics, astrology must have new approach to> > look at> > > > life through the chart if it wants to have it's relevance.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > >> >> >>

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Dear Chandrashekarji, Very timely and sobering thoughts Sir Being a student of Jyotish for the past 11 years,I have been a keen observer of the trends in Jyotish learning (interactions on Jyotish groups,meeting Jyotish enthusiasts) Of late there has been an increasing trend of selfpromotion in Jyotish circles (My guru is better than yours etc).Everybody seems to be an authority on Jyotish these days and even Daivagyas of the calibre of Varahamihira are not spared the barbs I sincerely believe that unless you have reverence for this great Vidya and it's originators, one will fail to get the 'nectar' that is inherent in this Vidya Sadly Jyotish has been reduced to 'pop astrology' (will I marry the guy whom I love etc etc).This is the reason I do a very few personal readings these days (Most of these youngsters who ask these questions do not even bother to give a

feedback on the remedies suggested) No wonder when you treat Jyotish as a commodity the end result that you get is going to be far from satisfying !! Sadly this is a sign of the times we are living in where everybody wants quick results (Twenty 20 cricket being a case in point) Regards, aavesh Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: Dear Lalit,I do not think it is right to say that Kalyanverman, Mantreshwar or Vaidyanath were not predictive astrologers. These are respected astrologers of repute beyond doubt. Is there any basis for your saying that they were known not to do significant predictions? Same for K. N. Rao and B. V. Raman. I do not know whether you are aware that B. V. Raman was called modern day Varaha Mihira. I may also put it on record that I doubt whether there is any living astrologer today who can either cast a chart from the answers to questions asked by the nadi astrologers or give names of the jataka and his immediate family on looking at the chart given to him. As a matter of fact when some of my shishyas get a swollen head

due to one or two predictions having come true, I ask them to go to a nadi reader and see whether they can accomplish what he does for the state of the jataka on the date of visit and then only criticize some one for a failed prediction and feel elated about one's correct prediction.Chandrashekhar.litsol wrote: Dear Kiran,SJC and particularly Sanjay Rath though took astrology to a new plateform has done considerable harm to astrology by bringing in so much D1, D2, D3, D5 .. D100 etc.., secondary is secondary ..., still, i accept him like newton, but i will ensure a shift in astrology from newton's era to einsteen's era.Compartment approach block's astrologers vision that's why we have not seen any performing noteworthy astrologer after varahmihira.kalyan verma, mantreswra or vaidyanaath are not known for doing significant

predictions, same is true for so called nadi astrologers, u read books written by KN Rao and BV Raman, u wont open them second time.i m asking same what u have said, a holistic approach and that will come by burning benefic/malific like immature concepts, a graha has it's own properties, own karakatwa, it does what it has to do, where a generalization like malific or benefic comes in picture.life has a flow and in the incessant flow where compartments/houses comes, there are waves ... the wavefront's should be identified by houses and should be understood.What i m saying is very core forgotten basic...regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "kiran.rama" <kiran.rama wrote:>> Dear Lalitji,> > Please be patient before casting

aspersions on historical approaches.> > Astrology is a holistic science.> > First step is to understand how to analyze D-1 and basic Vimsottari> dasa - only then talk about other concepts.> > I am also a learner and will try to help whereever I am clear in concepts> > Regards> kiran> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol" <litsol@>> wrote:> >> > > > Dear Elders and Group,> > > > The more i do read charts and astrology classics, The more I get> > confused ........> > > > I get the idea that in the last 1000 - 1200 years, we have missed the> > way to look at a chart...., is the house specific approach or the planet> > specific

approach, i mean benific planet / susthana or malific/dusthana> > is the right way to study one's life through the chart...> > > > I think we will have to burn the immature concepts of> > benific/malific.... etc.. a chart should be treated as a living > > individual. when we had a review of definitions given like trika,> > dustha, koopa etc... from the perspective of continuity of life.> > > > Like development in physics, astrology must have new approach to look at> > life through the chart if it wants to have it's relevance.> > > > regards,> > Lalit.> >> With Best Wishes, aavesh

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Dear Sunil Ji,

 

Namskaar, I know one well known nadi astrologer R.G Rao , I have

purchased almost all of the books written by him. I very

straightforwardedly and confidently will say there is nothing

special in Nadi Astrology that he ever mentioned in his books,

however, he assumes that his reader is a ignorant person and tries

to make much hype of nadi astrology but no single principle he

produces in his books.

 

 

his book is written in the manner - " You dont know stupid, this is

Nadi, a very big secret " and in essence that is only traditional

vedic astrology.

 

I dont know where this approach will take us.

 

If Nadi has developed something great, those nadi astrologers should

form their pronciples and come forward for their acceptance, no

longer, miraculous talks of past glory will fascinate people.

 

You will have to open up, that's why i asked you to go for patnting

instead of beginning rotten Guru - Shishya Parampara.

 

I wonder all the time u blame brahminical elements and brahminical

parampara for currupting/stopping growth of astrology and other

vedic sciences, but same time u want to put ur steps in same kind of

Guru - Shishya parampara....

 

let's be open ... let's share ... leat's learn and let's let others

learn more.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hare ramakrishna ,

>

>

>

> dear lalit ,

>

>

>

> here i fully endorses resp -chandra sekhar jis opinions ,i heard

> storeis of many astrologers ,hardeo sharma of north and even

> contemparary of BV raman ,sri veluri rama moorthy and many old

village

> pundits of kerla who mused Tipu sultan during his attacks to kerala

> ,even some one dared to tell him from today onwards ur day is

numbered

> (Machattu elayathu ) .

>

> also many nadi astrologers livs mostly in south and some brigu

sastries

> like Nathu ram of rajastan ( from memeory may be place is wrong )

who

> still flag ship of astrology and its predictiv abilities .

>

> so we cannot rash in our decisions ,again no regionlism i meant

here as

> i can speak from what i know .

>

>

>

> regrds sunil nair .

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

>

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > I do not think it is right to say that Kalyanverman, Mantreshwar

or

> > Vaidyanath were not predictive astrologers. These are respected

> > astrologers of repute beyond doubt. Is there any basis for your

saying

> > that they were known not to do significant predictions? Same for

K. N.

> > Rao and B. V. Raman. I do not know whether you are aware that B.

V.

> > Raman was called modern day Varaha Mihira. I may also put it on

record

> > that I doubt whether there is any living astrologer today who can

> either

> > cast a chart from the answers to questions asked by the nadi

> astrologers

> > or give names of the jataka and his immediate family on looking

at the

> > chart given to him. As a matter of fact when some of my shishyas

get a

> > swollen head due to one or two predictions having come true, I

ask

> them

> > to go to a nadi reader and see whether they can accomplish what

he

> does

> > for the state of the jataka on the date of visit and then only

> criticize

> > some one for a failed prediction and feel elated about one's

correct

> > prediction.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > litsol wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kiran,

> > >

> > > SJC and particularly Sanjay Rath though took astrology to a new

> > > plateform has done considerable harm to astrology by bringing

in so

> > > much D1, D2, D3, D5 .. D100 etc.., secondary is secondary ...,

> still,

> > > i accept him like newton, but i will ensure a shift in

astrology

> from

> > > newton's era to einsteen's era.

> > >

> > > Compartment approach block's astrologers vision that's why we

have

> > > not seen any performing noteworthy astrologer after

varahmihira.

> > >

> > > kalyan verma, mantreswra or vaidyanaath are not known for doing

> > > significant predictions, same is true for so called nadi

> astrologers,

> > > u read books written by KN Rao and BV Raman, u wont open them

second

> > > time.

> > >

> > > i m asking same what u have said, a holistic approach and that

will

> > > come by burning benefic/malific like immature concepts, a

graha has

> > > it's own properties, own karakatwa, it does what it has to do,

where

> > > a generalization like malific or benefic comes in picture.

> > >

> > > life has a flow and in the incessant flow where

compartments/houses

> > > comes, there are waves ... the wavefront's should be

identified by

> > > houses and should be understood.

> > >

> > > What i m saying is very core forgotten basic...

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%

40>, " kiran.rama "

> > > kiran.rama@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalitji,

> > > >

> > > > Please be patient before casting aspersions on historical

> > > approaches.

> > > >

> > > > Astrology is a holistic science.

> > > >

> > > > First step is to understand how to analyze D-1 and basic

> Vimsottari

> > > > dasa - only then talk about other concepts.

> > > >

> > > > I am also a learner and will try to help whereever I am

clear in

> > > concepts

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > kiran

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, " litsol "

> <litsol@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Elders and Group,

> > > > >

> > > > > The more i do read charts and astrology classics, The more

I get

> > > > > confused ........

> > > > >

> > > > > I get the idea that in the last 1000 - 1200 years, we have

> missed

> > > the

> > > > > way to look at a chart...., is the house specific approach

or

> the

> > > planet

> > > > > specific approach, i mean benific planet / susthana or

> > > malific/dusthana

> > > > > is the right way to study one's life through the chart...

> > > > >

> > > > > I think we will have to burn the immature concepts of

> > > > > benific/malific.... etc.. a chart should be treated as a

living

> > > > > individual. when we had a review of definitions given like

> trika,

> > > > > dustha, koopa etc... from the perspective of continuity of

life.

> > > > >

> > > > > Like development in physics, astrology must have new

approach to

> > > look at

> > > > > life through the chart if it wants to have it's relevance.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Hare ramakrishna ,

dear lalit ,

U know why i blame it .As i am against cast system .Because which very against of Vedas and even Hindu philosophy which says "brahma njani ithi brahmana "( thse who attained the knowledge of brahman is brahmana) so we shud not nurture or pamper some thing which born out of ignorence .

(again u r referering some thing which i dont mentioned in my

mail,and may be in prvt talk which is out of context here ).

the guru sisyas parampara is not cast based brahmnincal concept which is based on pithru -putra or merit of birth in purticular family .So here the quality of knowledge goes down from generation to generation .

And u r arguement in favr of knowledge shud be freely available in any where i cannot vouch for it as it will derail the very essence of any knowledge and its devlpment .

My idea is knowledge is to the real seeker .An olympion is made in 20 years .so the fellow who wants it shud ready to toil for it and that is why i am not answering to many challenging mails to disclose or predict .Because it is not the way .And i hav access to may be 12 nadis (not the popular nadi prediction which says ur chart is with me written by rishis or sidhas but the principle behind it ) and translation and reserch and re establishing the truth and may be even discarding some thing with solid evidence will cost not less than 500 crore rupees as each one is volumnous ,and how some one giv it for free where as we must pay royalty for anything and everything in new world .Since u r in soft ware field u know how the world is going .

And when some body is mature in mind only can absorb more and it can be guaged by a guru only .

RG rao i think i told u my personal experiences also with many peoples who claims tall.

 

regrds sunil nair .

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol" <litsol wrote:>> Dear Sunil Ji,> > Namskaar, I know one well known nadi astrologer R.G Rao , I have > purchased almost all of the books written by him. I very > straightforwardedly and confidently will say there is nothing > special in Nadi Astrology that he ever mentioned in his books, > however, he assumes that his reader is a ignorant person and tries > to make much hype of nadi astrology but no single principle he > produces in his books.> > > his book is written in the manner - "You dont know stupid, this is > Nadi, a very big secret" and in essence that is only traditional > vedic astrology. > > I dont know where this approach will take us.> > If Nadi has developed something great, those nadi astrologers should > form their pronciples and come forward for their acceptance, no > longer, miraculous talks of past glory will fascinate people.> > You will have to open up, that's why i asked you to go for patnting > instead of beginning rotten Guru - Shishya Parampara.> > I wonder all the time u blame brahminical elements and brahminical > parampara for currupting/stopping growth of astrology and other > vedic sciences, but same time u want to put ur steps in same kind of > Guru - Shishya parampara....> > let's be open ... let's share ... leat's learn and let's let others > learn more.> > regards,> Lalit.> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > > > > > > dear lalit ,> > > > > > > > here i fully endorses resp -chandra sekhar jis opinions ,i heard> > storeis of many astrologers ,hardeo sharma of north and even> > contemparary of BV raman ,sri veluri rama moorthy and many old > village> > pundits of kerla who mused Tipu sultan during his attacks to kerala> > ,even some one dared to tell him from today onwards ur day is > numbered> > (Machattu elayathu ) .> > > > also many nadi astrologers livs mostly in south and some brigu > sastries> > like Nathu ram of rajastan ( from memeory may be place is wrong ) > who> > still flag ship of astrology and its predictiv abilities .> > > > so we cannot rash in our decisions ,again no regionlism i meant > here as> > i can speak from what i know .> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair .> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > >> > > I do not think it is right to say that Kalyanverman, Mantreshwar > or> > > Vaidyanath were not predictive astrologers. These are respected> > > astrologers of repute beyond doubt. Is there any basis for your > saying> > > that they were known not to do significant predictions? Same for > K. N.> > > Rao and B. V. Raman. I do not know whether you are aware that B. > V.> > > Raman was called modern day Varaha Mihira. I may also put it on > record> > > that I doubt whether there is any living astrologer today who can> > either> > > cast a chart from the answers to questions asked by the nadi> > astrologers> > > or give names of the jataka and his immediate family on looking > at the> > > chart given to him. As a matter of fact when some of my shishyas > get a> > > swollen head due to one or two predictions having come true, I > ask> > them> > > to go to a nadi reader and see whether they can accomplish what > he> > does> > > for the state of the jataka on the date of visit and then only> > criticize> > > some one for a failed prediction and feel elated about one's > correct> > > prediction.> > >> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > > litsol wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Kiran,> > > >> > > > SJC and particularly Sanjay Rath though took astrology to a new> > > > plateform has done considerable harm to astrology by bringing > in so> > > > much D1, D2, D3, D5 .. D100 etc.., secondary is secondary ...,> > still,> > > > i accept him like newton, but i will ensure a shift in > astrology> > from> > > > newton's era to einsteen's era.> > > >> > > > Compartment approach block's astrologers vision that's why we > have> > > > not seen any performing noteworthy astrologer after > varahmihira.> > > >> > > > kalyan verma, mantreswra or vaidyanaath are not known for doing> > > > significant predictions, same is true for so called nadi> > astrologers,> > > > u read books written by KN Rao and BV Raman, u wont open them > second> > > > time.> > > >> > > > i m asking same what u have said, a holistic approach and that > will> > > > come by burning benefic/malific like immature concepts, a > graha has> > > > it's own properties, own karakatwa, it does what it has to do, > where> > > > a generalization like malific or benefic comes in picture.> > > >> > > > life has a flow and in the incessant flow where > compartments/houses> > > > comes, there are waves ... the wavefront's should be > identified by> > > > houses and should be understood.> > > >> > > > What i m saying is very core forgotten basic...> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%> 40>, "kiran.rama"> > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalitji,> > > > >> > > > > Please be patient before casting aspersions on historical> > > > approaches.> > > > >> > > > > Astrology is a holistic science.> > > > >> > > > > First step is to understand how to analyze D-1 and basic> > Vimsottari> > > > > dasa - only then talk about other concepts.> > > > >> > > > > I am also a learner and will try to help whereever I am > clear in> > > > concepts> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > kiran> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "litsol"> > <litsol@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Elders and Group,> > > > > >> > > > > > The more i do read charts and astrology classics, The more > I get> > > > > > confused ........> > > > > >> > > > > > I get the idea that in the last 1000 - 1200 years, we have> > missed> > > > the> > > > > > way to look at a chart...., is the house specific approach > or> > the> > > > planet> > > > > > specific approach, i mean benific planet / susthana or> > > > malific/dusthana> > > > > > is the right way to study one's life through the chart...> > > > > >> > > > > > I think we will have to burn the immature concepts of> > > > > > benific/malific.... etc.. a chart should be treated as a > living> > > > > > individual. when we had a review of definitions given like> > trika,> > > > > > dustha, koopa etc... from the perspective of continuity of > life.> > > > > >> > > > > > Like development in physics, astrology must have new > approach to> > > > look at> > > > > > life through the chart if it wants to have it's relevance.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Sir,

 

Thanx a lot for clarifying it, however, for any distortion in the

system even if it's supposed that it's done by cast system, why only

brahminical elements should be selectively blamed, this is a extreme

generalization of the past mistakes.

 

we should not forget others in this system, anywhere any distortion

happens by wicked people, or a group of such wicked people. these

happend majorly at individual level not at mass level.

 

Greed for finance and power has been a major factor for exploitation

of poor, poor of any cast.

 

I have already shared with u that i myself was never taken in my

school cricket team, coz i was a born brahmin, my sports teacher was

an OBC, Sanskrit Teacher was an SC and class teacher was again an

OBC for many years, I was good in Sanskrit, i could speak sanskrit

fluently while i was studying in 9'th - 10'th standard, my teacher

never liked it, he kept me humilating constantly for 3 months, till

once i discussed with him about kundalini, he was a follower of

Gayatri Mission. He used to throw my book on my desk and call me by

names.... so, what u see in it..

 

In the selection match when i was in 10'th, i scored 42 runs, with 6

wickets, but i was not included in the school cricket team however i

was the man of the match.

 

I was a topper from class 1st till 12'th standard, never stood 2nd,

but i was not made school captain, i won all the extra curricullum

compititions, stil, when my chance came for this position, an OBC

guy was made captain of our school.

 

It's different thing that they all terachers including sanskrit

teacher died within next 4-5 years, 2 suffered from cancer and one

has lost his mind's balance.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hare ramakrishna ,

>

> dear lalit ,

>

>

>

> U know why i blame it .As i am against cast system .Because

which

> very against of Vedas and even Hindu philosophy which says " brahma

njani

> ithi brahmana " ( thse who attained the knowledge of brahman is

brahmana)

> so we shud not nurture or pamper some thing which born out of

ignorence

> .

>

> (again u r referering some thing which i dont mentioned in my

>

> mail,and may be in prvt talk which is out of context here ).

>

> the guru sisyas parampara is not cast based brahmnincal concept

which is

> based on pithru -putra or merit of birth in purticular family .So

here

> the quality of knowledge goes down from generation to generation .

>

> And u r arguement in favr of knowledge shud be freely available in

any

> where i cannot vouch for it as it will derail the very essence of

any

> knowledge and its devlpment .

>

> My idea is knowledge is to the real seeker .An olympion is made in

20

> years .so the fellow who wants it shud ready to toil for it and

that is

> why i am not answering to many challenging mails to disclose or

predict

> .Because it is not the way .And i hav access to may be 12 nadis

(not the

> popular nadi prediction which says ur chart is with me written by

rishis

> or sidhas but the principle behind it ) and translation and

reserch and

> re establishing the truth and may be even discarding some thing

with

> solid evidence will cost not less than 500 crore rupees as each

one is

> volumnous ,and how some one giv it for free where as we must pay

royalty

> for anything and everything in new world .Since u r in soft ware

field u

> know how the world is going .

>

> And when some body is mature in mind only can absorb more and it

can be

> guaged by a guru only .

>

> RG rao i think i told u my personal experiences also with many

peoples

> who claims tall.

>

>

>

> regrds sunil nair .

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

>

>

>

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil Ji,

> >

> > Namskaar, I know one well known nadi astrologer R.G Rao , I have

> > purchased almost all of the books written by him. I very

> > straightforwardedly and confidently will say there is nothing

> > special in Nadi Astrology that he ever mentioned in his books,

> > however, he assumes that his reader is a ignorant person and

tries

> > to make much hype of nadi astrology but no single principle he

> > produces in his books.

> >

> >

> > his book is written in the manner - " You dont know stupid, this

is

> > Nadi, a very big secret " and in essence that is only traditional

> > vedic astrology.

> >

> > I dont know where this approach will take us.

> >

> > If Nadi has developed something great, those nadi astrologers

should

> > form their pronciples and come forward for their acceptance, no

> > longer, miraculous talks of past glory will fascinate people.

> >

> > You will have to open up, that's why i asked you to go for

patnting

> > instead of beginning rotten Guru - Shishya Parampara.

> >

> > I wonder all the time u blame brahminical elements and

brahminical

> > parampara for currupting/stopping growth of astrology and other

> > vedic sciences, but same time u want to put ur steps in same

kind of

> > Guru - Shishya parampara....

> >

> > let's be open ... let's share ... leat's learn and let's let

others

> > learn more.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hare ramakrishna ,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > dear lalit ,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > here i fully endorses resp -chandra sekhar jis opinions ,i

heard

> > > storeis of many astrologers ,hardeo sharma of north and even

> > > contemparary of BV raman ,sri veluri rama moorthy and many old

> > village

> > > pundits of kerla who mused Tipu sultan during his attacks to

kerala

> > > ,even some one dared to tell him from today onwards ur day is

> > numbered

> > > (Machattu elayathu ) .

> > >

> > > also many nadi astrologers livs mostly in south and some brigu

> > sastries

> > > like Nathu ram of rajastan ( from memeory may be place is

wrong )

> > who

> > > still flag ship of astrology and its predictiv abilities .

> > >

> > > so we cannot rash in our decisions ,again no regionlism i meant

> > here as

> > > i can speak from what i know .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair .

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > >

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > I do not think it is right to say that Kalyanverman,

Mantreshwar

> > or

> > > > Vaidyanath were not predictive astrologers. These are

respected

> > > > astrologers of repute beyond doubt. Is there any basis for

your

> > saying

> > > > that they were known not to do significant predictions? Same

for

> > K. N.

> > > > Rao and B. V. Raman. I do not know whether you are aware

that B.

> > V.

> > > > Raman was called modern day Varaha Mihira. I may also put it

on

> > record

> > > > that I doubt whether there is any living astrologer today

who can

> > > either

> > > > cast a chart from the answers to questions asked by the nadi

> > > astrologers

> > > > or give names of the jataka and his immediate family on

looking

> > at the

> > > > chart given to him. As a matter of fact when some of my

shishyas

> > get a

> > > > swollen head due to one or two predictions having come true,

I

> > ask

> > > them

> > > > to go to a nadi reader and see whether they can accomplish

what

> > he

> > > does

> > > > for the state of the jataka on the date of visit and then

only

> > > criticize

> > > > some one for a failed prediction and feel elated about one's

> > correct

> > > > prediction.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kiran,

> > > > >

> > > > > SJC and particularly Sanjay Rath though took astrology to

a new

> > > > > plateform has done considerable harm to astrology by

bringing

> > in so

> > > > > much D1, D2, D3, D5 .. D100 etc.., secondary is

secondary ...,

> > > still,

> > > > > i accept him like newton, but i will ensure a shift in

> > astrology

> > > from

> > > > > newton's era to einsteen's era.

> > > > >

> > > > > Compartment approach block's astrologers vision that's why

we

> > have

> > > > > not seen any performing noteworthy astrologer after

> > varahmihira.

> > > > >

> > > > > kalyan verma, mantreswra or vaidyanaath are not known for

doing

> > > > > significant predictions, same is true for so called nadi

> > > astrologers,

> > > > > u read books written by KN Rao and BV Raman, u wont open

them

> > second

> > > > > time.

> > > > >

> > > > > i m asking same what u have said, a holistic approach and

that

> > will

> > > > > come by burning benefic/malific like immature concepts, a

> > graha has

> > > > > it's own properties, own karakatwa, it does what it has to

do,

> > where

> > > > > a generalization like malific or benefic comes in picture.

> > > > >

> > > > > life has a flow and in the incessant flow where

> > compartments/houses

> > > > > comes, there are waves ... the wavefront's should be

> > identified by

> > > > > houses and should be understood.

> > > > >

> > > > > What i m saying is very core forgotten basic...

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%

> > 40>, " kiran.rama "

> > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalitji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please be patient before casting aspersions on historical

> > > > > approaches.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Astrology is a holistic science.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > First step is to understand how to analyze D-1 and basic

> > > Vimsottari

> > > > > > dasa - only then talk about other concepts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am also a learner and will try to help whereever I am

> > clear in

> > > > > concepts

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > kiran

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%

40>, " litsol "

> > > <litsol@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Elders and Group,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The more i do read charts and astrology classics, The

more

> > I get

> > > > > > > confused ........

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I get the idea that in the last 1000 - 1200 years, we

have

> > > missed

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > way to look at a chart...., is the house specific

approach

> > or

> > > the

> > > > > planet

> > > > > > > specific approach, i mean benific planet / susthana or

> > > > > malific/dusthana

> > > > > > > is the right way to study one's life through the

chart...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think we will have to burn the immature concepts of

> > > > > > > benific/malific.... etc.. a chart should be treated as

a

> > living

> > > > > > > individual. when we had a review of definitions given

like

> > > trika,

> > > > > > > dustha, koopa etc... from the perspective of

continuity of

> > life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Like development in physics, astrology must have new

> > approach to

> > > > > look at

> > > > > > > life through the chart if it wants to have it's

relevance.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Aavesh,

 

I am glad you agree with my thoughts on the subject.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

aavesh t wrote:

 

 

Dear

Chandrashekarji,

 

Very timely

and sobering thoughts Sir

 

Being a

student of Jyotish for the past 11 years,I have been a keen observer of

the trends in Jyotish learning (interactions on Jyotish

groups,meeting Jyotish enthusiasts)

 

Of late there

has been an increasing trend of selfpromotion in Jyotish circles (My

guru is better than yours etc).Everybody seems to

be an authority on Jyotish these days and even Daivagyas of the calibre

of Varahamihira are not spared the barbs

 

I

sincerely believe that unless you have reverence for this great Vidya

and it's originators, one will fail to get the 'nectar' that is

inherent in this Vidya

 

Sadly

Jyotish has been reduced to 'pop astrology' (will I marry the guy whom

I love etc etc).This is the reason I do a very few personal readings

these days (Most of these

youngsters

who ask these questions do not even bother to give a feedback on the

remedies suggested)

 

No wonder

when you treat Jyotish as a commodity the end result that you get is

going to be far from satisfying !!

 

Sadly this is

a sign of the times we are living in where everybody wants quick

results (Twenty 20 cricket being a case in point)

 

Regards,

 

aavesh

 

 

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar >

wrote:

Dear Lalit,

 

I do not think it is right to say that Kalyanverman, Mantreshwar or

Vaidyanath were not predictive astrologers. These are respected

astrologers of repute beyond doubt. Is there any basis for your saying

that they were known not to do significant predictions? Same for K. N.

Rao and B. V. Raman. I do not know whether you are aware that B. V.

Raman was called modern day Varaha Mihira. I may also put it on record

that I doubt whether there is any living astrologer today who can

either cast a chart from the answers to questions asked by the nadi

astrologers or give names of the jataka and his immediate family on

looking at the chart given to him. As a matter of fact when some of my

shishyas get a swollen head due to one or two predictions having come

true, I ask them to go to a nadi reader and see whether they can

accomplish what he does for the state of the jataka on the date of

visit and then only criticize some one for a failed prediction and feel

elated about one's correct prediction.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

litsol wrote:

 

 

Dear Kiran,

 

SJC and particularly Sanjay Rath though took astrology to a new

plateform has done considerable harm to astrology by bringing in so

much D1, D2, D3, D5 .. D100 etc.., secondary is secondary ..., still,

i accept him like newton, but i will ensure a shift in astrology from

newton's era to einsteen's era.

 

Compartment approach block's astrologers vision that's why we have

not seen any performing noteworthy astrologer after varahmihira.

 

kalyan verma, mantreswra or vaidyanaath are not known for doing

significant predictions, same is true for so called nadi astrologers,

u read books written by KN Rao and BV Raman, u wont open them second

time.

 

i m asking same what u have said, a holistic approach and that will

come by burning benefic/malific like immature concepts, a graha has

it's own properties, own karakatwa, it does what it has to do, where

a generalization like malific or benefic comes in picture.

 

life has a flow and in the incessant flow where compartments/houses

 

comes, there are waves ... the wavefront's should be identified by

houses and should be understood.

 

What i m saying is very core forgotten basic...

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"kiran.rama"

<kiran.rama wrote:

>

> Dear Lalitji,

>

> Please be patient before casting aspersions on historical

approaches.

>

> Astrology is a holistic science.

>

> First step is to understand how to analyze D-1 and basic Vimsottari

> dasa - only then talk about other concepts.

>

> I am also a learner and will try to help whereever I am clear in

concepts

>

> Regards

> kiran

>

>

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"litsol" <litsol@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Elders and Group,

> >

> > The more i do read charts and astrology classics, The more I

get

> > confused ........

> >

> > I get the idea that in the last 1000 - 1200 years, we have

missed

the

> > way to look at a chart...., is the house specific approach or

the

planet

> > specific approach, i mean benific planet / susthana or

malific/dusthana

> > is the right way to study one's life through the chart...

> >

> > I think we will have to burn the immature concepts of

> > benific/malific.... etc.. a chart should be treated as a

living

> > individual. when we had a review of definitions given like

trika,

> > dustha, koopa etc... from the perspective of continuity of

life.

> >

> > Like development in physics, astrology must have new approach

to

look at

> > life through the chart if it wants to have it's relevance.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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hare ramakrishna ,

dear lalit ,

 

yes we discussed it several times and its how the merit is killed in systematic way ,its is like foetus killing ,killing in pregnancy ,in womb .Its is happening now all over world in different forms .U cannot think a black becoming president in US with all the best chart or qualifications .that is y rishis asked us to take desh ,kal ,patra and vartha man paristithi principle .

This was my first question to my earliest guru( u know him ) when he taught me rajayogas and he replied me satisfacorily .i asked him abt the other caste s why they dont become kings even if born in same muhurta of kings son .

this discriminations is every where and the preistly ones enjoying in all society depending on situations they change ,think abt mullas and terrorists .who is enjoying here and who is suffering .same is case in any country .That is the reason now in west many dont obey church .

 

hope we should put an end to this kind of discussion and our area of interst is differrnt .Otherwise we will get diverted and some weak minded ppl will get pain also which i dont intent here.

 

regrds sunil nair .

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol" <litsol wrote:>> Dear Sir,> > Thanx a lot for clarifying it, however, for any distortion in the > system even if it's supposed that it's done by cast system, why only > brahminical elements should be selectively blamed, this is a extreme > generalization of the past mistakes. > > we should not forget others in this system, anywhere any distortion > happens by wicked people, or a group of such wicked people. these > happend majorly at individual level not at mass level.> > Greed for finance and power has been a major factor for exploitation > of poor, poor of any cast.> > I have already shared with u that i myself was never taken in my > school cricket team, coz i was a born brahmin, my sports teacher was > an OBC, Sanskrit Teacher was an SC and class teacher was again an > OBC for many years, I was good in Sanskrit, i could speak sanskrit > fluently while i was studying in 9'th - 10'th standard, my teacher > never liked it, he kept me humilating constantly for 3 months, till > once i discussed with him about kundalini, he was a follower of > Gayatri Mission. He used to throw my book on my desk and call me by > names.... so, what u see in it..> > In the selection match when i was in 10'th, i scored 42 runs, with 6 > wickets, but i was not included in the school cricket team however i > was the man of the match.> > I was a topper from class 1st till 12'th standard, never stood 2nd, > but i was not made school captain, i won all the extra curricullum > compititions, stil, when my chance came for this position, an OBC > guy was made captain of our school.> > It's different thing that they all terachers including sanskrit > teacher died within next 4-5 years, 2 suffered from cancer and one > has lost his mind's balance.> > regards,> Lalit.> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > > dear lalit ,> > > > > > > > U know why i blame it .As i am against cast system .Because > which> > very against of Vedas and even Hindu philosophy which says "brahma > njani> > ithi brahmana "( thse who attained the knowledge of brahman is > brahmana)> > so we shud not nurture or pamper some thing which born out of > ignorence> > .> > > > (again u r referering some thing which i dont mentioned in my> > > > mail,and may be in prvt talk which is out of context here ).> > > > the guru sisyas parampara is not cast based brahmnincal concept > which is> > based on pithru -putra or merit of birth in purticular family .So > here> > the quality of knowledge goes down from generation to generation .> > > > And u r arguement in favr of knowledge shud be freely available in > any> > where i cannot vouch for it as it will derail the very essence of > any> > knowledge and its devlpment .> > > > My idea is knowledge is to the real seeker .An olympion is made in > 20> > years .so the fellow who wants it shud ready to toil for it and > that is> > why i am not answering to many challenging mails to disclose or > predict> > .Because it is not the way .And i hav access to may be 12 nadis > (not the> > popular nadi prediction which says ur chart is with me written by > rishis> > or sidhas but the principle behind it ) and translation and > reserch and> > re establishing the truth and may be even discarding some thing > with> > solid evidence will cost not less than 500 crore rupees as each > one is> > volumnous ,and how some one giv it for free where as we must pay > royalty> > for anything and everything in new world .Since u r in soft ware > field u> > know how the world is going .> > > > And when some body is mature in mind only can absorb more and it > can be> > guaged by a guru only .> > > > RG rao i think i told u my personal experiences also with many > peoples> > who claims tall.> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair .> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol" <litsol@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > >> > > Namskaar, I know one well known nadi astrologer R.G Rao , I have> > > purchased almost all of the books written by him. I very> > > straightforwardedly and confidently will say there is nothing> > > special in Nadi Astrology that he ever mentioned in his books,> > > however, he assumes that his reader is a ignorant person and > tries> > > to make much hype of nadi astrology but no single principle he> > > produces in his books.> > >> > >> > > his book is written in the manner - "You dont know stupid, this > is> > > Nadi, a very big secret" and in essence that is only traditional> > > vedic astrology.> > >> > > I dont know where this approach will take us.> > >> > > If Nadi has developed something great, those nadi astrologers > should> > > form their pronciples and come forward for their acceptance, no> > > longer, miraculous talks of past glory will fascinate people.> > >> > > You will have to open up, that's why i asked you to go for > patnting> > > instead of beginning rotten Guru - Shishya Parampara.> > >> > > I wonder all the time u blame brahminical elements and > brahminical> > > parampara for currupting/stopping growth of astrology and other> > > vedic sciences, but same time u want to put ur steps in same > kind of> > > Guru - Shishya parampara....> > >> > > let's be open ... let's share ... leat's learn and let's let > others> > > learn more.> > >> > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > dear lalit ,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > here i fully endorses resp -chandra sekhar jis opinions ,i > heard> > > > storeis of many astrologers ,hardeo sharma of north and even> > > > contemparary of BV raman ,sri veluri rama moorthy and many old> > > village> > > > pundits of kerla who mused Tipu sultan during his attacks to > kerala> > > > ,even some one dared to tell him from today onwards ur day is> > > numbered> > > > (Machattu elayathu ) .> > > >> > > > also many nadi astrologers livs mostly in south and some brigu> > > sastries> > > > like Nathu ram of rajastan ( from memeory may be place is > wrong )> > > who> > > > still flag ship of astrology and its predictiv abilities .> > > >> > > > so we cannot rash in our decisions ,again no regionlism i meant> > > here as> > > > i can speak from what i know .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair .> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > >> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > I do not think it is right to say that Kalyanverman, > Mantreshwar> > > or> > > > > Vaidyanath were not predictive astrologers. These are > respected> > > > > astrologers of repute beyond doubt. Is there any basis for > your> > > saying> > > > > that they were known not to do significant predictions? Same > for> > > K. N.> > > > > Rao and B. V. Raman. I do not know whether you are aware > that B.> > > V.> > > > > Raman was called modern day Varaha Mihira. I may also put it > on> > > record> > > > > that I doubt whether there is any living astrologer today > who can> > > > either> > > > > cast a chart from the answers to questions asked by the nadi> > > > astrologers> > > > > or give names of the jataka and his immediate family on > looking> > > at the> > > > > chart given to him. As a matter of fact when some of my > shishyas> > > get a> > > > > swollen head due to one or two predictions having come true, > I> > > ask> > > > them> > > > > to go to a nadi reader and see whether they can accomplish > what> > > he> > > > does> > > > > for the state of the jataka on the date of visit and then > only> > > > criticize> > > > > some one for a failed prediction and feel elated about one's> > > correct> > > > > prediction.> > > > >> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Kiran,> > > > > >> > > > > > SJC and particularly Sanjay Rath though took astrology to > a new> > > > > > plateform has done considerable harm to astrology by > bringing> > > in so> > > > > > much D1, D2, D3, D5 .. D100 etc.., secondary is > secondary ...,> > > > still,> > > > > > i accept him like newton, but i will ensure a shift in> > > astrology> > > > from> > > > > > newton's era to einsteen's era.> > > > > >> > > > > > Compartment approach block's astrologers vision that's why > we> > > have> > > > > > not seen any performing noteworthy astrologer after> > > varahmihira.> > > > > >> > > > > > kalyan verma, mantreswra or vaidyanaath are not known for > doing> > > > > > significant predictions, same is true for so called nadi> > > > astrologers,> > > > > > u read books written by KN Rao and BV Raman, u wont open > them> > > second> > > > > > time.> > > > > >> > > > > > i m asking same what u have said, a holistic approach and > that> > > will> > > > > > come by burning benefic/malific like immature concepts, a> > > graha has> > > > > > it's own properties, own karakatwa, it does what it has to > do,> > > where> > > > > > a generalization like malific or benefic comes in picture.> > > > > >> > > > > > life has a flow and in the incessant flow where> > > compartments/houses> > > > > > comes, there are waves ... the wavefront's should be> > > identified by> > > > > > houses and should be understood.> > > > > >> > > > > > What i m saying is very core forgotten basic...> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%> > > 40>, "kiran.rama"> > > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalitji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Please be patient before casting aspersions on historical> > > > > > approaches.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Astrology is a holistic science.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > First step is to understand how to analyze D-1 and basic> > > > Vimsottari> > > > > > > dasa - only then talk about other concepts.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am also a learner and will try to help whereever I am> > > clear in> > > > > > concepts> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > kiran> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%> 40>, "litsol"> > > > <litsol@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Elders and Group,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The more i do read charts and astrology classics, The > more> > > I get> > > > > > > > confused ........> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I get the idea that in the last 1000 - 1200 years, we > have> > > > missed> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > way to look at a chart...., is the house specific > approach> > > or> > > > the> > > > > > planet> > > > > > > > specific approach, i mean benific planet / susthana or> > > > > > malific/dusthana> > > > > > > > is the right way to study one's life through the > chart...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I think we will have to burn the immature concepts of> > > > > > > > benific/malific.... etc.. a chart should be treated as > a> > > living> > > > > > > > individual. when we had a review of definitions given > like> > > > trika,> > > > > > > > dustha, koopa etc... from the perspective of > continuity of> > > life.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Like development in physics, astrology must have new> > > approach to> > > > > > look at> > > > > > > > life through the chart if it wants to have it's > relevance.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Universe made sense even under Newtonian physics, and it ticked fine, the clockwork

 

 

Dear Lalit,

I think you'll have to live longer with your confusion. But who's not? Just that modern-time scholars are just so much less confused. Difference in degree. D. in d. adds up to diff. in kind. Thus, the confused and the clear-headed. We have just popped out our head from our little hole. The firmament of Indian astrolgers is a luminous one. Our running them down would be vain and in vain. Ramanujacharya, for example, presupposes in his reader a very good grounding. For that matter, much of Phaladeepika. But even Mantreswara here and there refers reader back to Varaha's works. What does that mean? V. is the benchmark and before him Parasara --- who are invoked by later scholars. Mantreswara 'Kshetrsphuta and Bijasphuta method for studying progeny' remains a bold initiative. Many such innovations have piled on over centuries. Whether we can make use of them or not is our persistence. It just doesn't help to speak impatiently of the hoary greats. We are just peeing out of our holes. Mr Aveesh is right. It is no two-month task. A quantum jump is unlikely to happen. Your Newton and Einstein analogy. Who are your quantum astrologists?

It takes good many years before you get a feel of a planet: how, say, a thougthless Mars is different from a brooding Saturn. We have to observe people dominated by a particular planetary trait or going thru the Dasa of a particular planet. You have to see how effortlessly a planet executes its portfolio when in 11th hse in its period, no matter even in enemy quarter. Just being in enemy's quarter is no terrible weakness for a planet. Say, Ven in Cancer as 11th hse. It is in Moon's sign, most benefic sign in the zodia. Ven is the most benefic planet, according to one school, more than Jup. Now using even the Newtonian model (without going into the Shadabala, D-n, Astakavarga etc), a Ven of this kind will fulfil its promise of being in 11th. It did in a chart. From an actual chart

 

You can't break the paradigms even before beginning to understand them!

Have patience, read, think, look around, go back to adages,

RK

 

 

On 13/12/2007, litsol <litsol wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Elders and Group,The more i do read charts and astrology classics, The more I getconfused ........I get the idea that in the last 1000 - 1200 years, we have missed theway to look at a chart...., is the house specific approach or the planet specific approach, i mean benific planet / susthana or malific/dusthanais the right way to study one's life through the chart...I think we will have to burn the immature concepts ofbenific/malific.... etc.. a chart should be treated as a living individual. when we had a review of definitions given like trika,dustha, koopa etc... from the perspective of continuity of life.Like development in physics, astrology must have new approach to look at

life through the chart if it wants to have it's relevance.regards,Lalit.

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. R.K Das and Aavesh Ji,

 

Namskaar, I think i will take at least 2 - 3 months to put on the

paper what's simmering in my mind.

 

What u say is absolutely right, my understanding is also limted but

what insight i m developing is different, what my senses are catching

is very vague but soemthing is definitely there, give me some time, I

w'd express myself properly, perhapse, in Jan sometime.

 

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t

<aavesh_s wrote:

>

> Namaskar Arkayji,

>

> Brilliantly put !!

>

> You have hit the nail on the head in the last sentence of your

mail.

>

> The problem with learning Jyotish through the internet is

this:Everybody wants quick solutions.

>

> 'My Guru is exalted in the 10th house, so why am I still

struggling in my career etc etc

>

> I have cried myself hoarse (to anybody who is willing to listen)

that this is not the way to learn Jyotish.You will only end up with

pie on your face).Hardly anybody listens though and they end up

making total fools of themselves and then start the potshots at the

Vidya and it's

> originators !!

>

> How I wish we were back to the times of the Gurukul system when

Jyotish was taught in the way it was meant to be taught (with lot of

emphasis on the Shlokas and genuflecting on them over a long period)

>

> Anyway,given the present times the internet way seems to be the

ONLY way and we have to play along !!

>

> Cheers,

>

> aavesh

>

>

>

rk dash <arkaydash wrote:

> Universe made sense even under Newtonian physics, and

it ticked fine, the clockwork

>

>

> Dear Lalit,

> I think you'll have to live longer with your confusion. But who's

not? Just that modern-time scholars are just so much less confused.

Difference in degree. D. in d. adds up to diff. in kind. Thus, the

confused and the clear-headed. We have just popped out our head from

our little hole. The firmament of Indian astrolgers is a luminous

one. Our running them down would be vain and in vain. Ramanujacharya,

for example, presupposes in his reader a very good grounding. For

that matter, much of Phaladeepika. But even Mantreswara here and

there refers reader back to Varaha's works. What does that mean? V.

is the benchmark and before him Parasara --- who are invoked by later

scholars. Mantreswara 'Kshetrsphuta and Bijasphuta method for

studying progeny' remains a bold initiative. Many such innovations

have piled on over centuries. Whether we can make use of them or not

is our persistence. It just doesn't help to speak impatiently of the

hoary greats. We are just peeing out of our

> holes. Mr Aveesh is right. It is no two-month task. A quantum jump

is unlikely to happen. Your Newton and Einstein analogy. Who are your

quantum astrologists?

>

> It takes good many years before you get a feel of a planet: how,

say, a thougthless Mars is different from a brooding Saturn. We have

to observe people dominated by a particular planetary trait or going

thru the Dasa of a particular planet. You have to see how

effortlessly a planet executes its portfolio when in 11th hse in its

period, no matter even in enemy quarter. Just being in enemy's

quarter is no terrible weakness for a planet. Say, Ven in Cancer as

11th hse. It is in Moon's sign, most benefic sign in the zodia. Ven

is the most benefic planet, according to one school, more than Jup.

Now using even the Newtonian model (without going into the Shadabala,

D-n, Astakavarga etc), a Ven of this kind will fulfil its promise of

being in 11th. It did in a chart. From an actual chart

>

> You can't break the paradigms even before beginning to understand

them!

> Have patience, read, think, look around, go back to adages,

> RK

>

>

> On 13/12/2007, litsol <litsol wrote:

> Dear Elders and Group,

>

> The more i do read charts and astrology classics, The more I get

> confused ........

>

> I get the idea that in the last 1000 - 1200 years, we have missed

the

> way to look at a chart...., is the house specific approach or the

planet

> specific approach, i mean benific planet / susthana or

malific/dusthana

> is the right way to study one's life through the chart...

>

> I think we will have to burn the immature concepts of

> benific/malific.... etc.. a chart should be treated as a living

> individual. when we had a review of definitions given like trika,

> dustha, koopa etc... from the perspective of continuity of life.

>

> Like development in physics, astrology must have new approach to

look at

> life through the chart if it wants to have it's relevance.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

>

>

>

>

With Best Wishes,

>

> aavesh

>

>

>

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