Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Dear All, As Naliniji and Sunliji rightly pointed out this is a topic outside the purview of this group. Having said that I would like to make a few observations: Naliniji:You have addressed your concerns in a very matter of fact way.Saints come only when there is a true need for them.With the culture of excess prevailing in the country I doubt if a 'Yug Pravartak' like Swami Vivekananda is going to come along soon !! This is where Jyotish comes into the picture: Firstly we need to understand ourselves (through our birth chart) After this is done we can go around correcting others This is easier said than done.As Paramahamsa Yogananda has pointed out :To bring even a fractional change in our Samskaras it can take several lifetimes unless one practices Kriya Yoga (or any other technique of meditation) Sunilji:It is always a pleasure to read your mails. With people like you and stalwarts like Chandrashekarji (and other senior members of the group) plus enthusiastic youngsters like Lalit, we still have a hope to keep the torch of Jyotish Vidya burning Keep up your efforts Sir Regards, aavesh sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: hare ramakrishna, dear nalini ji , yes ,thanks for the response we shud put an end to this kind of discussion over astro boards .Because the real discussion was on differnt context and we hav to blaim ourselves , Any body knows history knows it . yes i agree with u regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . Vedic Astrologyandhealing , nalini swamy <nalini2818 wrote:>> Hare Rama Krsna> Hraum Namah Adityaya> > Dear Sunil ji,> Namaskar. > Good work!! Lest we get distracted and dragged into controversies not worth debating about. The caste system/class system is typical of all societies colonised by the British. The wedge of ifighting is always subtly infused between the sections of societies to help oppression and gain an upperhand in subduing them. The legacy is that we continue infighting amongst ourselves and perceive that the opposite party is always the wrongdoer and we the wronged. It is not a wrong feeling as the seeds are sown to promote the 'thought' that has ruined our country. I have myself been subject to many such 'preferences' due to my upper caste status, bereft of many things that ought to have come to me on my merit. But is is us who have to be blamed, the so called polarised sections of society still fighting over a premise that is pulling us back on the path of progress. We still dont realise it... This could go on till eternity if we dont uproot the foundation that has> been laid so strong by the oppressors, I dont blame them as we have been willing victims. But politically this is a vicious circle as this wedge is what feeds 'power', so it is difficult to break it. Unless each person 'wakes' up to it, which is almost an impossible task . Unless of course there is a 'saint' who can lead again and destroy these shackles and bring about a 'mass' transformation, like Lokamanya, Sri Aurobindo, Sri Subramanya Bharathi, the list is endless.> So, debating about the merits and demerits of this perceived divide is but a fruitless exercise leaving behind heartburn and more illfeeling. So rest it be..> Apologies to any one hurt and rest assured it was not intended to,> Kind Regards> Nalini > > > Nalini Swamy> > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Sunday, 16 December, 2007 10:45:45 AM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: How to look at chart - Let's burn the concepts of benific/malific !!> > > hare ramakrishna ,> dear lalit ,> > yes we discussed it several times and its how the merit is killed in systematic way ,its is like foetus killing ,killing in pregnancy ,in womb .Its is happening now all over world in different forms .U cannot think a black becoming president in US with all the best chart or qualifications .that is y rishis asked us to take desh ,kal ,patra and vartha man paristithi principle .> This was my first question to my earliest guru( u know him ) when he taught me rajayogas and he replied me satisfacorily .i asked him abt the other caste s why they dont become kings even if born in same muhurta of kings son .> this discriminations is every where and the preistly ones enjoying in all society depending on situations they change ,think abt mullas and terrorists .who is enjoying here and who is suffering .same is case in any country .That is the reason now in west many dont obey church .> > hope we should put an end to this kind of discussion and our area of interst is differrnt .Otherwise we will get diverted and some weak minded ppl will get pain also which i dont intent here.> > regrds sunil nair ..> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol" litsol@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sir,> > > > Thanx a lot for clarifying it, however, for any distortion in the > > system even if it's supposed that it's done by cast system, why only > > brahminical elements should be selectively blamed, this is a extreme > > generalization of the past mistakes. > > > > we should not forget others in this system, anywhere any distortion > > happens by wicked people, or a group of such wicked people. these > > happend majorly at individual level not at mass level.> > > > Greed for finance and power has been a major factor for exploitation > > of poor, poor of any cast.> > > > I have already shared with u that i myself was never taken in my > > school cricket team, coz i was a born brahmin, my sports teacher was > > an OBC, Sanskrit Teacher was an SC and class teacher was again an > > OBC for many years, I was good in Sanskrit, i could speak sanskrit > > fluently while i was studying in 9'th - 10'th standard, my teacher > > never liked it, he kept me humilating constantly for 3 months, till > > once i discussed with him about kundalini, he was a follower of > > Gayatri Mission. He used to throw my book on my desk and call me by > > names.... so, what u see in it..> > > > In the selection match when i was in 10'th, i scored 42 runs, with 6 > > wickets, but i was not included in the school cricket team however i > > was the man of the match.> > > > I was a topper from class 1st till 12'th standard, never stood 2nd, > > but i was not made school captain, i won all the extra curricullum > > compititions, stil, when my chance came for this position, an OBC > > guy was made captain of our school.> > > > It's different thing that they all terachers including sanskrit > > teacher died within next 4-5 years, 2 suffered from cancer and one > > has lost his mind's balance.> > > > regards,> > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "sunil nair" > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > > > > dear lalit ,> > > > > > > > > > > > U know why i blame it .As i am against cast system .Because > > which> > > very against of Vedas and even Hindu philosophy which says "brahma > > njani> > > ithi brahmana "( thse who attained the knowledge of brahman is > > brahmana)> > > so we shud not nurture or pamper some thing which born out of > > ignorence> > > .> > > > > > (again u r referering some thing which i dont mentioned in my> > > > > > mail,and may be in prvt talk which is out of context here ).> > > > > > the guru sisyas parampara is not cast based brahmnincal concept > > which is> > > based on pithru -putra or merit of birth in purticular family .So > > here> > > the quality of knowledge goes down from generation to generation .> > > > > > And u r arguement in favr of knowledge shud be freely available in > > any> > > where i cannot vouch for it as it will derail the very essence of > > any> > > knowledge and its devlpment .> > > > > > My idea is knowledge is to the real seeker .An olympion is made in > > 20> > > years .so the fellow who wants it shud ready to toil for it and > > that is> > > why i am not answering to many challenging mails to disclose or > > predict> > > .Because it is not the way .And i hav access to may be 12 nadis > > (not the> > > popular nadi prediction which says ur chart is with me written by > > rishis> > > or sidhas but the principle behind it ) and translation and > > reserch and> > > re establishing the truth and may be even discarding some thing > > with> > > solid evidence will cost not less than 500 crore rupees as each > > one is> > > volumnous ,and how some one giv it for free where as we must pay > > royalty> > > for anything and everything in new world .Since u r in soft ware > > field u> > > know how the world is going .> > > > > > And when some body is mature in mind only can absorb more and it > > can be> > > guaged by a guru only .> > > > > > RG rao i think i told u my personal experiences also with many > > peoples> > > who claims tall.> > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair .> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol" <litsol@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > >> > > > Namskaar, I know one well known nadi astrologer R.G Rao , I have> > > > purchased almost all of the books written by him. I very> > > > straightforwardedly and confidently will say there is nothing> > > > special in Nadi Astrology that he ever mentioned in his books,> > > > however, he assumes that his reader is a ignorant person and > > tries> > > > to make much hype of nadi astrology but no single principle he> > > > produces in his books.> > > >> > > >> > > > his book is written in the manner - "You dont know stupid, this > > is> > > > Nadi, a very big secret" and in essence that is only traditional> > > > vedic astrology.> > > >> > > > I dont know where this approach will take us.> > > >> > > > If Nadi has developed something great, those nadi astrologers > > should> > > > form their pronciples and come forward for their acceptance, no> > > > longer, miraculous talks of past glory will fascinate people.> > > >> > > > You will have to open up, that's why i asked you to go for > > patnting> > > > instead of beginning rotten Guru - Shishya Parampara.> > > >> > > > I wonder all the time u blame brahminical elements and > > brahminical> > > > parampara for currupting/stopping growth of astrology and other> > > > vedic sciences, but same time u want to put ur steps in same > > kind of> > > > Guru - Shishya parampara... .> > > >> > > > let's be open ... let's share ... leat's learn and let's let > > others> > > > learn more.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "sunil nair"> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > dear lalit ,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > here i fully endorses resp -chandra sekhar jis opinions ,i > > heard> > > > > storeis of many astrologers ,hardeo sharma of north and even> > > > > contemparary of BV raman ,sri veluri rama moorthy and many old> > > > village> > > > > pundits of kerla who mused Tipu sultan during his attacks to > > kerala> > > > > ,even some one dared to tell him from today onwards ur day is> > > > numbered> > > > > (Machattu elayathu ) .> > > > >> > > > > also many nadi astrologers livs mostly in south and some brigu> > > > sastries> > > > > like Nathu ram of rajastan ( from memeory may be place is > > wrong )> > > > who> > > > > still flag ship of astrology and its predictiv abilities .> > > > >> > > > > so we cannot rash in our decisions ,again no regionlism i meant> > > > here as> > > > > i can speak from what i know .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regrds sunil nair .> > > > >> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar> > > > > <sharma.chandrashekh ar@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > I do not think it is right to say that Kalyanverman, > > Mantreshwar> > > > or> > > > > > Vaidyanath were not predictive astrologers. These are > > respected> > > > > > astrologers of repute beyond doubt. Is there any basis for > > your> > > > saying> > > > > > that they were known not to do significant predictions? Same > > for> > > > K. N.> > > > > > Rao and B. V. Raman. I do not know whether you are aware > > that B.> > > > V.> > > > > > Raman was called modern day Varaha Mihira. I may also put it > > on> > > > record> > > > > > that I doubt whether there is any living astrologer today > > who can> > > > > either> > > > > > cast a chart from the answers to questions asked by the nadi> > > > > astrologers> > > > > > or give names of the jataka and his immediate family on > > looking> > > > at the> > > > > > chart given to him. As a matter of fact when some of my > > shishyas> > > > get a> > > > > > swollen head due to one or two predictions having come true, > > I> > > > ask> > > > > them> > > > > > to go to a nadi reader and see whether they can accomplish > > what> > > > he> > > > > does> > > > > > for the state of the jataka on the date of visit and then > > only> > > > > criticize> > > > > > some one for a failed prediction and feel elated about one's> > > > correct> > > > > > prediction.> > > > > >> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Kiran,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > SJC and particularly Sanjay Rath though took astrology to > > a new> > > > > > > plateform has done considerable harm to astrology by > > bringing> > > > in so> > > > > > > much D1, D2, D3, D5 .. D100 etc.., secondary is > > secondary ...,> > > > > still,> > > > > > > i accept him like newton, but i will ensure a shift in> > > > astrology> > > > > from> > > > > > > newton's era to einsteen's era.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Compartment approach block's astrologers vision that's why > > we> > > > have> > > > > > > not seen any performing noteworthy astrologer after> > > > varahmihira.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > kalyan verma, mantreswra or vaidyanaath are not known for > > doing> > > > > > > significant predictions, same is true for so called nadi> > > > > astrologers,> > > > > > > u read books written by KN Rao and BV Raman, u wont open > > them> > > > second> > > > > > > time.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > i m asking same what u have said, a holistic approach and > > that> > > > will> > > > > > > come by burning benefic/malific like immature concepts, a> > > > graha has> > > > > > > it's own properties, own karakatwa, it does what it has to > > do,> > > > where> > > > > > > a generalization like malific or benefic comes in picture.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > life has a flow and in the incessant flow where> > > > compartments/ houses> > > > > > > comes, there are waves ... the wavefront's should be> > > > identified by> > > > > > > houses and should be understood.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What i m saying is very core forgotten basic...> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > <vedicastrolo gyandhealing%> > > > 40. com>, "kiran.rama"> > > > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalitji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Please be patient before casting aspersions on historical> > > > > > > approaches.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Astrology is a holistic science.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > First step is to understand how to analyze D-1 and basic> > > > > Vimsottari> > > > > > > > dasa - only then talk about other concepts.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am also a learner and will try to help whereever I am> > > > clear in> > > > > > > concepts> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > kiran> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > <vedicastrolo gyandhealing%> > 40. com>, "litsol"> > > > > <litsol@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Elders and Group,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The more i do read charts and astrology classics, The > > more> > > > I get> > > > > > > > > confused ........> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I get the idea that in the last 1000 - 1200 years, we > > have> > > > > missed> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > way to look at a chart...., is the house specific > > approach> > > > or> > > > > the> > > > > > > planet> > > > > > > > > specific approach, i mean benific planet / susthana or> > > > > > > malific/dusthana> > > > > > > > > is the right way to study one's life through the > > chart...> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I think we will have to burn the immature concepts of> > > > > > > > > benific/malific. ... etc.. a chart should be treated as > > a> > > > living> > > > > > > > > individual. when we had a review of definitions given > > like> > > > > trika,> > > > > > > > > dustha, koopa etc... from the perspective of > > continuity of> > > > life.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Like development in physics, astrology must have new> > > > approach to> > > > > > > look at> > > > > > > > > life through the chart if it wants to have it's > > relevance.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.> With Best Wishes, aavesh 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. 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Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Hare Rama Krsna Hraum Namah Adityaya Dear Aavesh ji, Namaskar. I only had hoped the excess had gotten to an extent that: Dharma samsthaapanaartham Sambhavaami yuge yuge ! What you have pointed to is the best aims of Jyotish, Atma dipana, as is for any Vedaanga. But how many of them would realise the importance and engage in knowing 'self'. it is mostly used for helping the house holder rather than spirituality, knowing one self. Achieving atma dipana is a process that involves many life times( atleast for me) and a atleast a step in the right direction counts as it is one step less towards realising the Ultimate. Whether it is achieved through a Guru-Sishya parampara, internet, self learning is immaterial as acquiring the knowledge is significant. It is good if the sishya believes that his/her Guru is the best, as this is what is best for imbibing knowledge from the Guru. As this is very subjective it is often mistaken for promoting one's own Guru. Any Guru by virtue of being in a seat of dispersing knowledge is worth worshipping and if he/she is more knowledgeable than one self worth learning from. If at any point this learner thinks 'he/she' is a guru then the learning process stops. This ignorance can lead to eternal darkness. I always request the Divine Mother to give me the 'ignorance' that what I have learnt is negligible. I hope to learn from all of you in this group, Kind regards Nalini aavesh t <aavesh_sVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Sunday, 16 December, 2007 2:16:43 PM[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Present Times Dear All, As Naliniji and Sunliji rightly pointed out this is a topic outside the purview of this group. Having said that I would like to make a few observations: Naliniji:You have addressed your concerns in a very matter of fact way.Saints come only when there is a true need for them.With the culture of excess prevailing in the country I doubt if a 'Yug Pravartak' like Swami Vivekananda is going to come along soon !! This is where Jyotish comes into the picture: Firstly we need to understand ourselves (through our birth chart) After this is done we can go around correcting others This is easier said than done.As Paramahamsa Yogananda has pointed out :To bring even a fractional change in our Samskaras it can take several lifetimes unless one practices Kriya Yoga (or any other technique of meditation) Sunilji:It is always a pleasure to read your mails. With people like you and stalwarts like Chandrashekarji (and other senior members of the group) plus enthusiastic youngsters like Lalit, we still have a hope to keep the torch of Jyotish Vidya burning Keep up your efforts Sir Regards, aavesh sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote: hare ramakrishna, dear nalini ji , yes ,thanks for the response we shud put an end to this kind of discussion over astro boards .Because the real discussion was on differnt context and we hav to blaim ourselves , Any body knows history knows it . yes i agree with u regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, nalini swamy <nalini2818@. ..> wrote:>> Hare Rama Krsna> Hraum Namah Adityaya> > Dear Sunil ji,> Namaskar. > Good work!! Lest we get distracted and dragged into controversies not worth debating about. The caste system/class system is typical of all societies colonised by the British. The wedge of ifighting is always subtly infused between the sections of societies to help oppression and gain an upperhand in subduing them. The legacy is that we continue infighting amongst ourselves and perceive that the opposite party is always the wrongdoer and we the wronged. It is not a wrong feeling as the seeds are sown to promote the 'thought' that has ruined our country. I have myself been subject to many such 'preferences' due to my upper caste status, bereft of many things that ought to have come to me on my merit. But is is us who have to be blamed, the so called polarised sections of society still fighting over a premise that is pulling us back on the path of progress. We still dont realise it... This could go on till eternity if we dont uproot the foundation that has> been laid so strong by the oppressors, I dont blame them as we have been willing victims. But politically this is a vicious circle as this wedge is what feeds 'power', so it is difficult to break it. Unless each person 'wakes' up to it, which is almost an impossible task . Unless of course there is a 'saint' who can lead again and destroy these shackles and bring about a 'mass' transformation, like Lokamanya, Sri Aurobindo, Sri Subramanya Bharathi, the list is endless.> So, debating about the merits and demerits of this perceived divide is but a fruitless exercise leaving behind heartburn and more illfeeling. So rest it be..> Apologies to any one hurt and rest assured it was not intended to,> Kind Regards> Nalini > > > Nalini Swamy> > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> Sunday, 16 December, 2007 10:45:45 AM> [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: How to look at chart - Let's burn the concepts of benific/malific !!> > > hare ramakrishna ,> dear lalit ,> > yes we discussed it several times and its how the merit is killed in systematic way ,its is like foetus killing ,killing in pregnancy ,in womb .Its is happening now all over world in different forms .U cannot think a black becoming president in US with all the best chart or qualifications .that is y rishis asked us to take desh ,kal ,patra and vartha man paristithi principle .> This was my first question to my earliest guru( u know him ) when he taught me rajayogas and he replied me satisfacorily .i asked him abt the other caste s why they dont become kings even if born in same muhurta of kings son .> this discriminations is every where and the preistly ones enjoying in all society depending on situations they change ,think abt mullas and terrorists .who is enjoying here and who is suffering .same is case in any country .That is the reason now in west many dont obey church .> > hope we should put an end to this kind of discussion and our area of interst is differrnt .Otherwise we will get diverted and some weak minded ppl will get pain also which i dont intent here.> > regrds sunil nair .> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol" litsol@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sir,> > > > Thanx a lot for clarifying it, however, for any distortion in the > > system even if it's supposed that it's done by cast system, why only > > brahminical elements should be selectively blamed, this is a extreme > > generalization of the past mistakes. > > > > we should not forget others in this system, anywhere any distortion > > happens by wicked people, or a group of such wicked people. these > > happend majorly at individual level not at mass level.> > > > Greed for finance and power has been a major factor for exploitation > > of poor, poor of any cast.> > > > I have already shared with u that i myself was never taken in my > > school cricket team, coz i was a born brahmin, my sports teacher was > > an OBC, Sanskrit Teacher was an SC and class teacher was again an > > OBC for many years, I was good in Sanskrit, i could speak sanskrit > > fluently while i was studying in 9'th - 10'th standard, my teacher > > never liked it, he kept me humilating constantly for 3 months, till > > once i discussed with him about kundalini, he was a follower of > > Gayatri Mission. He used to throw my book on my desk and call me by > > names.... so, what u see in it..> > > > In the selection match when i was in 10'th, i scored 42 runs, with 6 > > wickets, but i was not included in the school cricket team however i > > was the man of the match.> > > > I was a topper from class 1st till 12'th standard, never stood 2nd, > > but i was not made school captain, i won all the extra curricullum > > compititions, stil, when my chance came for this position, an OBC > > guy was made captain of our school.> > > > It's different thing that they all terachers including sanskrit > > teacher died within next 4-5 years, 2 suffered from cancer and one > > has lost his mind's balance.> > > > regards,> > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "sunil nair" > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > > > > dear lalit ,> > > > > > > > > > > > U know why i blame it .As i am against cast system .Because > > which> > > very against of Vedas and even Hindu philosophy which says "brahma > > njani> > > ithi brahmana "( thse who attained the knowledge of brahman is > > brahmana)> > > so we shud not nurture or pamper some thing which born out of > > ignorence> > > .> > > > > > (again u r referering some thing which i dont mentioned in my> > > > > > mail,and may be in prvt talk which is out of context here ).> > > > > > the guru sisyas parampara is not cast based brahmnincal concept > > which is> > > based on pithru -putra or merit of birth in purticular family .So > > here> > > the quality of knowledge goes down from generation to generation .> > > > > > And u r arguement in favr of knowledge shud be freely available in > > any> > > where i cannot vouch for it as it will derail the very essence of > > any> > > knowledge and its devlpment .> > > > > > My idea is knowledge is to the real seeker .An olympion is made in > > 20> > > years .so the fellow who wants it shud ready to toil for it and > > that is> > > why i am not answering to many challenging mails to disclose or > > predict> > > .Because it is not the way .And i hav access to may be 12 nadis > > (not the> > > popular nadi prediction which says ur chart is with me written by > > rishis> > > or sidhas but the principle behind it ) and translation and > > reserch and> > > re establishing the truth and may be even discarding some thing > > with> > > solid evidence will cost not less than 500 crore rupees as each > > one is> > > volumnous ,and how some one giv it for free where as we must pay > > royalty> > > for anything and everything in new world .Since u r in soft ware > > field u> > > know how the world is going .> > > > > > And when some body is mature in mind only can absorb more and it > > can be> > > guaged by a guru only .> > > > > > RG rao i think i told u my personal experiences also with many > > peoples> > > who claims tall.> > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair .> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol" <litsol@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > >> > > > Namskaar, I know one well known nadi astrologer R.G Rao , I have> > > > purchased almost all of the books written by him. I very> > > > straightforwardedly and confidently will say there is nothing> > > > special in Nadi Astrology that he ever mentioned in his books,> > > > however, he assumes that his reader is a ignorant person and > > tries> > > > to make much hype of nadi astrology but no single principle he> > > > produces in his books.> > > >> > > >> > > > his book is written in the manner - "You dont know stupid, this > > is> > > > Nadi, a very big secret" and in essence that is only traditional> > > > vedic astrology.> > > >> > > > I dont know where this approach will take us.> > > >> > > > If Nadi has developed something great, those nadi astrologers > > should> > > > form their pronciples and come forward for their acceptance, no> > > > longer, miraculous talks of past glory will fascinate people.> > > >> > > > You will have to open up, that's why i asked you to go for > > patnting> > > > instead of beginning rotten Guru - Shishya Parampara.> > > >> > > > I wonder all the time u blame brahminical elements and > > brahminical> > > > parampara for currupting/stopping growth of astrology and other> > > > vedic sciences, but same time u want to put ur steps in same > > kind of> > > > Guru - Shishya parampara... .> > > >> > > > let's be open ... let's share ... leat's learn and let's let > > others> > > > learn more.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "sunil nair"> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > dear lalit ,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > here i fully endorses resp -chandra sekhar jis opinions ,i > > heard> > > > > storeis of many astrologers ,hardeo sharma of north and even> > > > > contemparary of BV raman ,sri veluri rama moorthy and many old> > > > village> > > > > pundits of kerla who mused Tipu sultan during his attacks to > > kerala> > > > > ,even some one dared to tell him from today onwards ur day is> > > > numbered> > > > > (Machattu elayathu ) .> > > > >> > > > > also many nadi astrologers livs mostly in south and some brigu> > > > sastries> > > > > like Nathu ram of rajastan ( from memeory may be place is > > wrong )> > > > who> > > > > still flag ship of astrology and its predictiv abilities .> > > > >> > > > > so we cannot rash in our decisions ,again no regionlism i meant> > > > here as> > > > > i can speak from what i know .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regrds sunil nair .> > > > >> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar> > > > > <sharma.chandrashekh ar@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > I do not think it is right to say that Kalyanverman, > > Mantreshwar> > > > or> > > > > > Vaidyanath were not predictive astrologers. These are > > respected> > > > > > astrologers of repute beyond doubt. Is there any basis for > > your> > > > saying> > > > > > that they were known not to do significant predictions? Same > > for> > > > K. N.> > > > > > Rao and B. V. Raman. I do not know whether you are aware > > that B.> > > > V.> > > > > > Raman was called modern day Varaha Mihira. I may also put it > > on> > > > record> > > > > > that I doubt whether there is any living astrologer today > > who can> > > > > either> > > > > > cast a chart from the answers to questions asked by the nadi> > > > > astrologers> > > > > > or give names of the jataka and his immediate family on > > looking> > > > at the> > > > > > chart given to him. As a matter of fact when some of my > > shishyas> > > > get a> > > > > > swollen head due to one or two predictions having come true, > > I> > > > ask> > > > > them> > > > > > to go to a nadi reader and see whether they can accomplish > > what> > > > he> > > > > does> > > > > > for the state of the jataka on the date of visit and then > > only> > > > > criticize> > > > > > some one for a failed prediction and feel elated about one's> > > > correct> > > > > > prediction.> > > > > >> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Kiran,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > SJC and particularly Sanjay Rath though took astrology to > > a new> > > > > > > plateform has done considerable harm to astrology by > > bringing> > > > in so> > > > > > > much D1, D2, D3, D5 .. D100 etc.., secondary is > > secondary ...,> > > > > still,> > > > > > > i accept him like newton, but i will ensure a shift in> > > > astrology> > > > > from> > > > > > > newton's era to einsteen's era.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Compartment approach block's astrologers vision that's why > > we> > > > have> > > > > > > not seen any performing noteworthy astrologer after> > > > varahmihira.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > kalyan verma, mantreswra or vaidyanaath are not known for > > doing> > > > > > > significant predictions, same is true for so called nadi> > > > > astrologers,> > > > > > > u read books written by KN Rao and BV Raman, u wont open > > them> > > > second> > > > > > > time.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > i m asking same what u have said, a holistic approach and > > that> > > > will> > > > > > > come by burning benefic/malific like immature concepts, a> > > > graha has> > > > > > > it's own properties, own karakatwa, it does what it has to > > do,> > > > where> > > > > > > a generalization like malific or benefic comes in picture.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > life has a flow and in the incessant flow where> > > > compartments/ houses> > > > > > > comes, there are waves ... the wavefront's should be> > > > identified by> > > > > > > houses and should be understood.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What i m saying is very core forgotten basic...> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > <vedicastrolo gyandhealing%> > > > 40. com>, "kiran.rama"> > > > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalitji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Please be patient before casting aspersions on historical> > > > > > > approaches.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Astrology is a holistic science.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > First step is to understand how to analyze D-1 and basic> > > > > Vimsottari> > > > > > > > dasa - only then talk about other concepts.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am also a learner and will try to help whereever I am> > > > clear in> > > > > > > concepts> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > kiran> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > <vedicastrolo gyandhealing%> > 40. com>, "litsol"> > > > > <litsol@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Elders and Group,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The more i do read charts and astrology classics, The > > more> > > > I get> > > > > > > > > confused ........> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I get the idea that in the last 1000 - 1200 years, we > > have> > > > > missed> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > way to look at a chart...., is the house specific > > approach> > > > or> > > > > the> > > > > > > planet> > > > > > > > > specific approach, i mean benific planet / susthana or> > > > > > > malific/dusthana> > > > > > > > > is the right way to study one's life through the > > chart...> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I think we will have to burn the immature concepts of> > > > > > > > > benific/malific. ... etc.. a chart should be treated as > > a> > > > living> > > > > > > > > individual. when we had a review of definitions given > > like> > > > > trika,> > > > > > > > > dustha, koopa etc... from the perspective of > > continuity of> > > > life.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Like development in physics, astrology must have new> > > > approach to> > > > > > > look at> > > > > > > > > life through the chart if it wants to have it's > > relevance.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger .> With Best Wishes, aavesh 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. 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Guest guest Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Hare ramakrishna , dear avesh ji , Thank u ,wel said regds sunil nair . Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote:>> Dear All,> > As Naliniji and Sunliji rightly pointed out this is a topic outside the purview of this group.> > Having said that I would like to make a few observations:> > Naliniji:You have addressed your concerns in a very matter of fact way.Saints come only when there is a> true need for them.With the culture of excess prevailing in the country I doubt if a 'Yug Pravartak' like Swami Vivekananda is going to come along soon !!> > This is where Jyotish comes into the picture:> > Firstly we need to understand ourselves (through our birth chart)> After this is done we can go around correcting others> > This is easier said than done.As Paramahamsa Yogananda has pointed out :To bring even a fractional change in our Samskaras it can take several lifetimes unless one practices Kriya Yoga (or any other technique of meditation)> > Sunilji:It is always a pleasure to read your mails.> With people like you and stalwarts like Chandrashekarji (and other senior members of the group) plus enthusiastic youngsters like Lalit, we still have a hope to keep the torch of Jyotish Vidya burning> > Keep up your efforts Sir > > Regards,> > aavesh> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > hare ramakrishna,> dear nalini ji ,> > yes ,thanks for the response we shud put an end to this kind of discussion over astro boards .Because the real discussion was on differnt context and we hav to blaim ourselves ,> > Any body knows history knows it .> > yes i agree with u > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , nalini swamy nalini2818@ wrote:> >> > Hare Rama Krsna> > Hraum Namah Adityaya> > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > Namaskar. > > Good work!! Lest we get distracted and dragged into controversies not worth debating about. The caste system/class system is typical of all societies colonised by the British. The wedge of ifighting is always subtly infused between the sections of societies to help oppression and gain an upperhand in subduing them. The legacy is that we continue infighting amongst ourselves and perceive that the opposite party is always the wrongdoer and we the wronged. It is not a wrong feeling as the seeds are sown to promote the 'thought' that has ruined our country. I have myself been subject to many such 'preferences' due to my upper caste status, bereft of many things that ought to have come to me on my merit. But is is us who have to be blamed, the so called polarised sections of society still fighting over a premise that is pulling us back on the path of progress. We still dont realise it... This could go on till eternity if we dont uproot the foundation that has> > been laid so strong by the oppressors, I dont blame them as we have been willing victims. But politically this is a vicious circle as this wedge is what feeds 'power', so it is difficult to break it. Unless each person 'wakes' up to it, which is almost an impossible task . Unless of course there is a 'saint' who can lead again and destroy these shackles and bring about a 'mass' transformation, like Lokamanya, Sri Aurobindo, Sri Subramanya Bharathi, the list is endless.> > So, debating about the merits and demerits of this perceived divide is but a fruitless exercise leaving behind heartburn and more illfeeling. So rest it be..> > Apologies to any one hurt and rest assured it was not intended to,> > Kind Regards> > Nalini > > > > > > Nalini Swamy> > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Sunday, 16 December, 2007 10:45:45 AM> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: How to look at chart - Let's burn the concepts of benific/malific !!> > > > > > hare ramakrishna ,> > dear lalit ,> > > > yes we discussed it several times and its how the merit is killed in systematic way ,its is like foetus killing ,killing in pregnancy ,in womb .Its is happening now all over world in different forms .U cannot think a black becoming president in US with all the best chart or qualifications .that is y rishis asked us to take desh ,kal ,patra and vartha man paristithi principle .> > This was my first question to my earliest guru( u know him ) when he taught me rajayogas and he replied me satisfacorily .i asked him abt the other caste s why they dont become kings even if born in same muhurta of kings son .> > this discriminations is every where and the preistly ones enjoying in all society depending on situations they change ,think abt mullas and terrorists .who is enjoying here and who is suffering .same is case in any country .That is the reason now in west many dont obey church .> > > > hope we should put an end to this kind of discussion and our area of interst is differrnt .Otherwise we will get diverted and some weak minded ppl will get pain also which i dont intent here.> > > > regrds sunil nair .> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol" litsol@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > Thanx a lot for clarifying it, however, for any distortion in the > > > system even if it's supposed that it's done by cast system, why only > > > brahminical elements should be selectively blamed, this is a extreme > > > generalization of the past mistakes. > > > > > > we should not forget others in this system, anywhere any distortion > > > happens by wicked people, or a group of such wicked people. these > > > happend majorly at individual level not at mass level.> > > > > > Greed for finance and power has been a major factor for exploitation > > > of poor, poor of any cast.> > > > > > I have already shared with u that i myself was never taken in my > > > school cricket team, coz i was a born brahmin, my sports teacher was > > > an OBC, Sanskrit Teacher was an SC and class teacher was again an > > > OBC for many years, I was good in Sanskrit, i could speak sanskrit > > > fluently while i was studying in 9'th - 10'th standard, my teacher > > > never liked it, he kept me humilating constantly for 3 months, till > > > once i discussed with him about kundalini, he was a follower of > > > Gayatri Mission. He used to throw my book on my desk and call me by > > > names.... so, what u see in it..> > > > > > In the selection match when i was in 10'th, i scored 42 runs, with 6 > > > wickets, but i was not included in the school cricket team however i > > > was the man of the match.> > > > > > I was a topper from class 1st till 12'th standard, never stood 2nd, > > > but i was not made school captain, i won all the extra curricullum > > > compititions, stil, when my chance came for this position, an OBC > > > guy was made captain of our school.> > > > > > It's different thing that they all terachers including sanskrit > > > teacher died within next 4-5 years, 2 suffered from cancer and one > > > has lost his mind's balance.> > > > > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "sunil nair" > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > > > > > > dear lalit ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U know why i blame it .As i am against cast system .Because > > > which> > > > very against of Vedas and even Hindu philosophy which says "brahma > > > njani> > > > ithi brahmana "( thse who attained the knowledge of brahman is > > > brahmana)> > > > so we shud not nurture or pamper some thing which born out of > > > ignorence> > > > .> > > > > > > > (again u r referering some thing which i dont mentioned in my> > > > > > > > mail,and may be in prvt talk which is out of context here ).> > > > > > > > the guru sisyas parampara is not cast based brahmnincal concept > > > which is> > > > based on pithru -putra or merit of birth in purticular family .So > > > here> > > > the quality of knowledge goes down from generation to generation .> > > > > > > > And u r arguement in favr of knowledge shud be freely available in > > > any> > > > where i cannot vouch for it as it will derail the very essence of > > > any> > > > knowledge and its devlpment .> > > > > > > > My idea is knowledge is to the real seeker .An olympion is made in > > > 20> > > > years .so the fellow who wants it shud ready to toil for it and > > > that is> > > > why i am not answering to many challenging mails to disclose or > > > predict> > > > .Because it is not the way .And i hav access to may be 12 nadis > > > (not the> > > > popular nadi prediction which says ur chart is with me written by > > > rishis> > > > or sidhas but the principle behind it ) and translation and > > > reserch and> > > > re establishing the truth and may be even discarding some thing > > > with> > > > solid evidence will cost not less than 500 crore rupees as each > > > one is> > > > volumnous ,and how some one giv it for free where as we must pay > > > royalty> > > > for anything and everything in new world .Since u r in soft ware > > > field u> > > > know how the world is going .> > > > > > > > And when some body is mature in mind only can absorb more and it > > > can be> > > > guaged by a guru only .> > > > > > > > RG rao i think i told u my personal experiences also with many > > > peoples> > > > who claims tall.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair .> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol" <litsol@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > > >> > > > > Namskaar, I know one well known nadi astrologer R.G Rao , I have> > > > > purchased almost all of the books written by him. I very> > > > > straightforwardedly and confidently will say there is nothing> > > > > special in Nadi Astrology that he ever mentioned in his books,> > > > > however, he assumes that his reader is a ignorant person and > > > tries> > > > > to make much hype of nadi astrology but no single principle he> > > > > produces in his books.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > his book is written in the manner - "You dont know stupid, this > > > is> > > > > Nadi, a very big secret" and in essence that is only traditional> > > > > vedic astrology.> > > > >> > > > > I dont know where this approach will take us.> > > > >> > > > > If Nadi has developed something great, those nadi astrologers > > > should> > > > > form their pronciples and come forward for their acceptance, no> > > > > longer, miraculous talks of past glory will fascinate people.> > > > >> > > > > You will have to open up, that's why i asked you to go for > > > patnting> > > > > instead of beginning rotten Guru - Shishya Parampara.> > > > >> > > > > I wonder all the time u blame brahminical elements and > > > brahminical> > > > > parampara for currupting/stopping growth of astrology and other> > > > > vedic sciences, but same time u want to put ur steps in same > > > kind of> > > > > Guru - Shishya parampara... .> > > > >> > > > > let's be open ... let's share ... leat's learn and let's let > > > others> > > > > learn more.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "sunil nair"> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > dear lalit ,> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > here i fully endorses resp -chandra sekhar jis opinions ,i > > > heard> > > > > > storeis of many astrologers ,hardeo sharma of north and even> > > > > > contemparary of BV raman ,sri veluri rama moorthy and many old> > > > > village> > > > > > pundits of kerla who mused Tipu sultan during his attacks to > > > kerala> > > > > > ,even some one dared to tell him from today onwards ur day is> > > > > numbered> > > > > > (Machattu elayathu ) .> > > > > >> > > > > > also many nadi astrologers livs mostly in south and some brigu> > > > > sastries> > > > > > like Nathu ram of rajastan ( from memeory may be place is > > > wrong )> > > > > who> > > > > > still flag ship of astrology and its predictiv abilities .> > > > > >> > > > > > so we cannot rash in our decisions ,again no regionlism i meant> > > > > here as> > > > > > i can speak from what i know .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds sunil nair .> > > > > >> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekh ar@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I do not think it is right to say that Kalyanverman, > > > Mantreshwar> > > > > or> > > > > > > Vaidyanath were not predictive astrologers. These are > > > respected> > > > > > > astrologers of repute beyond doubt. Is there any basis for > > > your> > > > > saying> > > > > > > that they were known not to do significant predictions? Same > > > for> > > > > K. N.> > > > > > > Rao and B. V. Raman. I do not know whether you are aware > > > that B.> > > > > V.> > > > > > > Raman was called modern day Varaha Mihira. I may also put it > > > on> > > > > record> > > > > > > that I doubt whether there is any living astrologer today > > > who can> > > > > > either> > > > > > > cast a chart from the answers to questions asked by the nadi> > > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > or give names of the jataka and his immediate family on > > > looking> > > > > at the> > > > > > > chart given to him. As a matter of fact when some of my > > > shishyas> > > > > get a> > > > > > > swollen head due to one or two predictions having come true, > > > I> > > > > ask> > > > > > them> > > > > > > to go to a nadi reader and see whether they can accomplish > > > what> > > > > he> > > > > > does> > > > > > > for the state of the jataka on the date of visit and then > > > only> > > > > > criticize> > > > > > > some one for a failed prediction and feel elated about one's> > > > > correct> > > > > > > prediction.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Kiran,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > SJC and particularly Sanjay Rath though took astrology to > > > a new> > > > > > > > plateform has done considerable harm to astrology by > > > bringing> > > > > in so> > > > > > > > much D1, D2, D3, D5 .. D100 etc.., secondary is > > > secondary ...,> > > > > > still,> > > > > > > > i accept him like newton, but i will ensure a shift in> > > > > astrology> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > newton's era to einsteen's era.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Compartment approach block's astrologers vision that's why > > > we> > > > > have> > > > > > > > not seen any performing noteworthy astrologer after> > > > > varahmihira.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > kalyan verma, mantreswra or vaidyanaath are not known for > > > doing> > > > > > > > significant predictions, same is true for so called nadi> > > > > > astrologers,> > > > > > > > u read books written by KN Rao and BV Raman, u wont open > > > them> > > > > second> > > > > > > > time.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > i m asking same what u have said, a holistic approach and > > > that> > > > > will> > > > > > > > come by burning benefic/malific like immature concepts, a> > > > > graha has> > > > > > > > it's own properties, own karakatwa, it does what it has to > > > do,> > > > > where> > > > > > > > a generalization like malific or benefic comes in picture.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > life has a flow and in the incessant flow where> > > > > compartments/ houses> > > > > > > > comes, there are waves ... the wavefront's should be> > > > > identified by> > > > > > > > houses and should be understood.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > What i m saying is very core forgotten basic...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > <vedicastrolo gyandhealing%> > > > > 40. com>, "kiran.rama"> > > > > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalitji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Please be patient before casting aspersions on historical> > > > > > > > approaches.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Astrology is a holistic science.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > First step is to understand how to analyze D-1 and basic> > > > > > Vimsottari> > > > > > > > > dasa - only then talk about other concepts.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am also a learner and will try to help whereever I am> > > > > clear in> > > > > > > > concepts> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > kiran> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > <vedicastrolo gyandhealing%> > > 40. com>, "litsol"> > > > > > <litsol@>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Elders and Group,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The more i do read charts and astrology classics, The > > > more> > > > > I get> > > > > > > > > > confused ........> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I get the idea that in the last 1000 - 1200 years, we > > > have> > > > > > missed> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > way to look at a chart...., is the house specific > > > approach> > > > > or> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > planet> > > > > > > > > > specific approach, i mean benific planet / susthana or> > > > > > > > malific/dusthana> > > > > > > > > > is the right way to study one's life through the > > > chart...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I think we will have to burn the immature concepts of> > > > > > > > > > benific/malific. ... etc.. a chart should be treated as > > > a> > > > > living> > > > > > > > > > individual. when we had a review of definitions given > > > like> > > > > > trika,> > > > > > > > > > dustha, koopa etc... from the perspective of > > > continuity of> > > > > life.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Like development in physics, astrology must have new> > > > > approach to> > > > > > > > look at> > > > > > > > > > life through the chart if it wants to have it's > > > relevance.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.> >> > > > > With Best Wishes,> > aavesh> > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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