Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 Hare Rama KrsnaHraum Namah AdityayaDear RK Das ji and Aavesh ji,Namaskar.Spirituality is my bete noire too and I have in earlier times(even now I suppose) accused of 'harping' on it in jyotish forums. That is because of individual perceptions, for some jyotish has spiritual connotations. As it is difficult to define or try to contain 'spiritual experience' into words. It is anubhava and ananda and a RK ji so beautifully put it 'anirvachaniya' beyond words. To me when I sing for the Divine Mother, that experience is bliss and I sing my best not when I sing before others or for others. That experience is sublime. There are times when I cant go on and just go on voicelessly, that too is nectar. I get the same ananda when I serve the aged, who are unable to care for themselves. When I see the delight and that unspoken gratitude in eyes of an elderly person in his 90's who is not able to do his daily activities( I am studying nursing and looking after the elderly as part of it{not paid}) when he has a warm shower and is dressed in clean clothes after being in soiled ones reeking of urine and faeces. The profound feeling it fills me with is sometimes so fullon that it takes me while to come back. I am grateful to The Divine Mother for giving me this opportunity as I would not have done it if it were not a part of my study. I sometimes experience a similar feeling when I learn some jyotish principles. To me all these are 'spiritual' anything that connects me to Her is spiritual. Having said that, I would also say that it is not my intention to try pull spiritual experiences 'down to earth'. To me they are part of my substance -prana that is still on terra firma.Do continue giving us some more priceless ramblings(to some)..Kind regardsNalini Nalini Swamyaavesh t <aavesh_sVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Monday, 24 December, 2007 11:51:07 AM[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Spiritual Experiences AarkayDa, You are right.The group will certainly get bored of my ramblings on this issue Come to think of it,I too used to get impatient when the topic of spirituality per se was bought into Jyotish discussions during the earlier days of my Jyotish learning (it seems eons ago now) A lot of water has flown under the bridge since then and I have come to realise that unless one practices Jyotish at the level of 'esoteric' (a la Bepin Behari) one is really missing the wood for the trees !! I will stop now before I get carried away yet again Regards, aavesh rk dash <arkaydash (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Aavesh, At this point the thread must break as far as the group is concerned. It might be distracting to many. Look, how Lalit is already seized of siddhantic hoaxes. RK On 23/12/2007, aavesh t <aavesh_s (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Namaskar AarkayDa, I am not implying total dis'passion' as you put it. I mean more tolerance for each path until one has at least understood some part of the core philosophy of that path/Parampara (Easier said than done in these times of the internet when everybody makes claims to being the ultimate authority on 'THE' system) You are very right in that one may at times be astride two (even three vehicles) depending on what he takes up in his pursuit of understanding the ultimate However,as Lahiri Mahasaya used to tell Yogananda 'Choto Mahasaya you meditate often but do you have 'Anubhava' '?? It is only when one gets the grace of a true master that all this searching is going to end. Until then it is a case of a 'Rolling Stone' !! Regards, aavesh rk dash <arkaydash (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Aavesh, You mean you approach every path/paramparaa with dis'passion' . Unlikely. The misunderstanding thing in you mail is actually under-understanding . One attains over-understanding of one parampara and moves on (even above) to another. One may even be astride two (at least two) vehicles. So, it is not as if one is 'hinayaan' and the other is a 'mahayaan' -- or whatever is under-understood is 'vajrajaan'! Paths meander and enmesh in mind-boggling ways. Show me a road that does meet or cuts thru another. Rarely will you find one going from one hut to another. (The hermitage is gone in age of interrnet mart. Don't despair as you have done in a later mail. Watch.) But mind needn't boggle. If it does for long, it's signal it is time you grabbed hold of a walker's feet. (What say, Lalit?) Dattatreya was a jnanavataar of Shiva. A purnavataar as far as jnana is concerned, not purnavataar per se though. Now shall we say: each his own; or Aavesh, a rolling stone? My case rests. RK On 20/12/2007, aavesh t <aavesh_s@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 Dear RK Daa, I m not in Delhi ... have been reading that book " 366 readings from the Islaam " , what to say, last year I was extremely hurt and anguished over the kind of terrorism is spreading ... in the name of religion. One evening in the Last year, Muhammad came to my vision, he was sad .. I saw his dull face, If u read this book, u will come to realize he was not a different man then the rest,But he was a man of integrity, His message was for the tribe where he born and worked, I think it was not for the whole world. Any way, I asked him in that vision - why u come to me, go and tell ur people to understand u beter or make ur messages easy sothat true meaning of what u said, can be understood ....., how u and ur people are concerned with me,what i can do ? I m helpless .. It's time to understand islam and rectify where it's misunderstood, it's pretty simple, why nobody tried in the past? Now, God and Muhammad himself wants it to happen.. let's see what they do in the future, somethnig good will be there and there will be peace in the world. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " rk dash " <arkaydash wrote: > > Aavesh, > At this point the thread must break as far as the group is concerned. It > might be distracting to many. Look, how Lalit is already seized of > siddhantic hoaxes. > RK > > On 23/12/2007, aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > > > > Namaskar AarkayDa, > > > > I am not implying total dis'passion' as you put it. > > > > I mean more tolerance for each path until one has at least understood some > > part of the core philosophy of that path/Parampara (Easier said than done > > in these times of the internet when everybody makes claims to being the > > ultimate authority on 'THE' system) > > > > You are very right in that one may at times be astride two (even three > > vehicles) depending on what he takes up in his pursuit of understanding the > > ultimate > > > > However,as Lahiri Mahasaya used to tell Yogananda 'Choto Mahasaya you > > meditate often but do you have 'Anubhava' '?? > > > > It is only when one gets the grace of a true master that all this > > searching is going to end. > > > > Until then it is a case of a 'Rolling Stone' !! > > > > Regards, > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > *rk dash <arkaydash* wrote: > > > > Aavesh, > > You mean you approach every path/paramparaa with dis'passion'. Unlikely. > > > > The misunderstanding thing in you mail is actually under- understanding. > > One attains over-understanding of one parampara and moves on (even above) to > > another. One may even be astride two (at least two) vehicles. So, it is not > > as if one is 'hinayaan' and the other is a 'mahayaan' -- or whatever is > > under-understood is 'vajrajaan'! > > > > Paths meander and enmesh in mind-boggling ways. Show me a road that does > > meet or cuts thru another. Rarely will you find one going from one hut to > > another. (The hermitage is gone in age of interrnet mart. Don't despair as > > you have done in a later mail. Watch.) > > > > But mind needn't boggle. If it does for long, it's signal it is time you > > grabbed hold of a walker's feet. (What say, Lalit?) Dattatreya was a > > jnanavataar of Shiva. A purnavataar as far as jnana is concerned, not > > purnavataar per se though. > > > > Now shall we say: each his own; or Aavesh, a rolling stone? My case rests. > > > > RK > > > > > > On 20/12/2007, aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > > > > > > Good Morning Aarkayji, > > > > > > Another brilliant mail from you Sir. > > > > > > I am in full agreement with what you have said regarding the fact that > > > Yogananda was fully qualified to write on his experiences > > > regarding 'Siddhis' (In fact the book was written on the instructions of > > > Mahavtar Babaji as many are aware) > > > > > > Aghora is a different matter altogether.It is easily one of the least > > > understood and much maligned systems today. > > > > > > *It is a real pity that a system which owes it's origins to Lord > > > Dattatreya and Lord Shiva has been so grossly misunderstood and* * > > > misused* > > > ** > > > *Personally speaking I tend to keep an open mind on spiritual practices > > > (not being judgmental itself is a great virtue on this path)* > > > ** > > > *As they to 'each his own'* > > > ** > > > Regards, > > > > > > aavesh > > > ** > > > ** > > > > > > *rk dash <arkaydash* wrote: > > > > > > Aavesh, > > > Excuse me my poesy. The incidental distinction I touched upon was > > > between esoteric path(s) and non-esoteric ones. Not between dakshina and > > > vaama. Where would you put the nocturnal court which the levitating Lahiri > > > Mahasaya held, with fairies hovering above him and which was espied by his > > > wife, or for that matter the session at the ghats of Benaras where > > > Yogavatar, Mahavatar and the latter's sister met nightly? These were all > > > yogis -- rajyogi of the highest order in modern times. You would agree that > > > that was esoteric. Even kaulachaar should be requiring the adherent to keep > > > his own counsel. When Yogananda does that (when he writes the > > > autobiography), he shares his life experiences to the high end of > > > edification of mankind. And that is after he has GONE THROUGH it all, much > > > as a tathagata. Which is in order, not needing any defending. > > > > > > The Aghora parampara marks out its boundary with 'prapancha' > > > differently. That should explain the comparison and contrast and contest > > > (the 'spardha') among *certain* adherents. Mark my use of the word > > > 'prapancha'. > > > > > > You have hardly confuted my account. > > > > > > I have been using bold letters for words which significantly qualify > > > what I say, please note, here as also earlier. > > > > > > RK > > > > > > On 19/12/2007, aavesh t <aavesh_s > wrote: > > > > > > > > *Namaskar AarkayDa and Lalit,* > > > > ** > > > > *Sorry for intervening in your private discussions.* > > > > ** > > > > *A couple of points:* > > > > ** > > > > *(i)The debate whether one should reveal one's Siddhis **has been > > > > there since time immemorial * > > > > ** > > > > *(ii)As Aarkayji has pointed out in his poetic language (which goes > > > > over my head many a time) that the Dakshinmargi school of thought believes > > > > in keeping one's Siddhis to oneself * > > > > ** > > > > *(iii)Vama Marga has the other approach.Here spiritual aspirants > > > > openly challenge each other and often there are duels to prove one's > > > > Siddhis.The much blamed and criticised Agohoris being part of this > > > > school of thought * > > > > ** > > > > *(iv)Ultimately,it comes down to the individual and his relation with > > > > his Ishta (Personally speaking though I have always beleieved in Swami > > > > Yukteshwar Giri's approach. **He never exhibited his Siddhis unless > > > > directed by a higher power to do so (This is vividly described by Yogananda > > > > in 'Autobiography of a Yogi')* > > > > ** > > > > *This note is not to take up sides or criticise but just some > > > > observations from an interested observer of life's Maya !!* > > > > ** > > > > *Regards,* > > > > ** > > > > *aavesh * > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *rk dash <arkaydash* wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > The proscription on *one's* spiritual experience is premised on two > > > > well-founded tenets. > > > > > > > > One, tongue-wagging doesn't enrich it. It cuts down introversion. The > > > > inward journey peters out. Some exoteric paths seem not to discourage it. > > > > Another matter. But Satsang is another ball game. Guidence is sought in > > > > confidence. Much like public display emotion (for some) is a no-no. In > > > > extreme esoteric paths, it is a game of dice -- often. There stakes are > > > > high. The higher they are, the more circumspect the seeker must be, or the > > > > world would come down on him. It (the world) can be nice slaughter house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Two, much of 'That' is ineffable -- *anirvachaniya*. ('That' is a > > > > vedic favourite as a referent) > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > On 18/12/2007, litsol <litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No Sir, > > > > > > > > > > I was always single and alone, rahu in 11'th makes sure no > > > > > frinds....., i was misunderstood for my straightforward uncanny > > > > > talks , but i had to do such talks, otherwise, this time when it's > > > > > accepted that spirituality is a gone thing, has no application in > > > > > real life, those who are spiritual are outdated antique .. people > > > > > and > > > > > particularly narrowminded indian girls and reporters of confused > > > > > news > > > > > papers like times of india, I decided to put everything as it is, > > > > > without no mixing. > > > > > > > > > > Still there were threats to taken as egoists or self promoting > > > > > person > > > > > coz putting truth, truth being most unusual things and particularly > > > > > when every body has a fixed frame of mind, taken as a egoist is > > > > > obvious. but truth is absolute, some elders asked me not to tell > > > > > spiritual experiences openly otherwise i can loose them, why even in > > > > > > > > > > the lap of the moher god one will care loss and gain ? at least in > > > > > spirituality there is no loss.. cant be there. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > --- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% 40>, > > > > > " rk dash " > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You could have said 'chhandanuvritte...' not gyanam vandhanam. > > > > > Till > > > > > I read > > > > > > your reply today I thought the guy had a very strong line of > > > > > followers > > > > > > (subservient worker bees) who lose no time in singing his prasasti > > > > > > > > > > whenever > > > > > > there is a threat to his carefully constructed reputation. That is > > > > > > > > > > what I > > > > > > meant. The resaon was to avoid any direct talk about unpleasant > > > > > things and > > > > > > people. 'At the drop of a turban' was my adaptation of the > > > > > phrase 'at the > > > > > > drop of a hat' to what pundits' headgear. > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17/12/2007, litsol <litsol@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A formidable line of drone who can spring a most awesome > > > > > ergo noisome > > > > > > > canticle of accomplishments, at the drop of a turban " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My english is like my english only ..... what u said is > > > > > difficult > > > > > for me > > > > > > > to understand, I dont know what is " canticle " , do u mean " stuti " > > > > > > > > > > and turban > > > > > > > means " pagari or safa " ... then what is drone? something that > > > > > keeps playing > > > > > > > in a instrument wihout attension ... then what meaning it > > > > > carries > > > > > altogather > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont understand it, but what i can say is, without a fall, God > > > > > > > > > > has and > > > > > > > will ensure relevance of spirituality in my life, I see how all > > > > > are dancing > > > > > > > those who are knowledgable and also those who are ignorant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > !! Gyanam Bandhanam !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If u want to see the God, I mean wish to realize it, It will > > > > > happen, it > > > > > > > will happen, It will happen !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, it's very easy and then easy is any task u want to do we > > > > > have to > > > > > > > traverse the maya, and mayapati is always with us... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *With Best Wishes,* > > > > ** > > > > *aavesh* > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Save all your chat conversations. 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Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Dear Lalit, Sorry that I missed this mail. I shall certainly be interested to read your experiences with this Sadhaka Regards, aavesh litsol <litsol wrote: Dear Sir,Can i tell u about my strange meeting with a Aghora Sadhaka, I think he was the first mysterious person in my life.regards,Lalit.--- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t wrote:>> Good Morning Aarkayji,> > Another brilliant mail from you Sir.> > I am in full agreement with what you have said regarding the fact that Yogananda was fully qualified to write on his experiences regarding 'Siddhis' (In fact the book was written on the instructions of Mahavtar Babaji as many are aware)> > Aghora is a different matter altogether.It is easily one of the least understood and much maligned systems today.> > It is a real pity that a system which owes it's origins to Lord Dattatreya and Lord Shiva has been so grossly misunderstood and misused> > Personally speaking I tend to keep an open mind on spiritual practices (not being judgmental itself is a great virtue on this path)> > As they to 'each his own'> > Regards,> > aavesh> > > > rk dash wrote:> Aavesh,> Excuse me my poesy. The incidental distinction I touched upon was between esoteric path(s) and non-esoteric ones. Not between dakshina and vaama. Where would you put the nocturnal court which the levitating Lahiri Mahasaya held, with fairies hovering above him and which was espied by his wife, or for that matter the session at the ghats of Benaras where Yogavatar, Mahavatar and the latter's sister met nightly? These were all yogis -- rajyogi of the highest order in modern times. You would agree that that was esoteric. Even kaulachaar should be requiring the adherent to keep his own counsel. When Yogananda does that (when he writes the autobiography), he shares his life experiences to the high end of edification of mankind. And that is after he has GONE THROUGH it all, much as a tathagata. Which is in order, not needing any defending. > > The Aghora parampara marks out its boundary with 'prapancha' differently. That should explain the comparison and contrast and contest (the 'spardha') among certain adherents. Mark my use of the word 'prapancha'. > > You have hardly confuted my account. > > I have been using bold letters for words which significantly qualify what I say, please note, here as also earlier. > > RK> > On 19/12/2007, aavesh t wrote: Namaskar AarkayDa and Lalit,> > Sorry for intervening in your private discussions.> > A couple of points:> > (i)The debate whether one should reveal one's Siddhis has been there since time immemorial > > (ii)As Aarkayji has pointed out in his poetic language (which goes over my head many a time) that the Dakshinmargi school of thought believes in keeping one's Siddhis to oneself > > (iii)Vama Marga has the other approach.Here spiritual aspirants openly challenge each other and often there are duels to prove one's Siddhis.The much blamed and criticised Agohoris being part of this school of thought > > (iv)Ultimately,it comes down to the individual and his relation with his Ishta (Personally speaking though I have always beleieved in Swami Yukteshwar Giri's approach. He never exhibited his Siddhis unless directed by a higher power to do so (This is vividly described by Yogananda in 'Autobiography of a Yogi') > > This note is not to take up sides or criticise but just some observations from an interested observer of life's Maya !!> > Regards,> > aavesh > > > > > > > rk dash wrote:> Dear Lalit,> The proscription on one's spiritual experience is premised on two well-founded tenets.> > One, tongue-wagging doesn't enrich it. It cuts down introversion. The inward journey peters out. Some exoteric paths seem not to discourage it. Another matter. But Satsang is another ball game. Guidence is sought in confidence. Much like public display emotion (for some) is a no-no. In extreme esoteric paths, it is a game of dice -- often. There stakes are high. The higher they are, the more circumspect the seeker must be, or the world would come down on him. It (the world) can be nice slaughter house. > > Two, much of 'That' is ineffable -- anirvachaniya. ('That' is a vedic favourite as a referent)> > RK > > On 18/12/2007, litsol wrote: No Sir,> > I was always single and alone, rahu in 11'th makes sure no > frinds....., i was misunderstood for my straightforward uncanny > talks , but i had to do such talks, otherwise, this time when it's > accepted that spirituality is a gone thing, has no application in > real life, those who are spiritual are outdated antique .. people and > particularly narrowminded indian girls and reporters of confused news > papers like times of india, I decided to put everything as it is, > without no mixing.> > Still there were threats to taken as egoists or self promoting person > coz putting truth, truth being most unusual things and particularly > when every body has a fixed frame of mind, taken as a egoist is > obvious. but truth is absolute, some elders asked me not to tell > spiritual experiences openly otherwise i can loose them, why even in > the lap of the moher god one will care loss and gain ? at least in > spirituality there is no loss.. cant be there.> > regards,> Lalit.> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "rk dash" > wrote:> >> > You could have said 'chhandanuvritte...' not gyanam vandhanam. Till > I read> > your reply today I thought the guy had a very strong line of > followers> > (subservient worker bees) who lose no time in singing his prasasti > whenever> > there is a threat to his carefully constructed reputation. That is > what I> > meant. The resaon was to avoid any direct talk about unpleasant > things and> > people. 'At the drop of a turban' was my adaptation of the > phrase 'at the> > drop of a hat' to what pundits' headgear. > > > > RK> > > > > > On 17/12/2007, litsol wrote:> > >> > > " A formidable line of drone who can spring a most awesome > ergo noisome> > > canticle of accomplishments, at the drop of a turban" > > >> > >> > >> > > My english is like my english only ..... what u said is difficult > for me> > > to understand, I dont know what is "canticle", do u mean "stuti" > and turban> > > means "pagari or safa"... then what is drone? something that > keeps playing> > > in a instrument wihout attension ... then what meaning it carries > altogather> > > ? > > >> > >> > >> > > I dont understand it, but what i can say is, without a fall, God > has and> > > will ensure relevance of spirituality in my life, I see how all > are dancing > > > those who are knowledgable and also those who are ignorant.> > >> > >> > >> > > !! Gyanam Bandhanam !!> > >> > >> > >> > > If u want to see the God, I mean wish to realize it, It will > happen, it> > > will happen, It will happen !!> > >> > >> > >> > > Sir, it's very easy and then easy is any task u want to do we > have to> > > traverse the maya, and mayapati is always with us... > > >> > >> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Lalit.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes,> > aavesh> > > Save all your chat conversations. Find them online. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Dear Sir, Sometimes, I feel i m also an Aghori, Aghora means " No Ghora " or " Beautiful " why because there is no dirtiness in sadhaka's vision, yes, how it can be, Whose mind is mingled into Shiva, how can have Ghora elements (Dirty/Fearful Thoughts) in mind. This cleaning happens two ways - 1. In the external worldly behavior 2. In the internal thought process. In fact it's a kind of self transformation, our mind is conditioned and we have to liberate it. This sadhaka was following 1st process, I have seen there is no difference in any sect/cult in it's core principles or objectives, those who are unaware sees merit or demarit in sects highlighting their partial vision. He was in the advance level of his way of sadhana, I was studying in my B.Sc IInd year, and was doing gayatri mantra, kundalini beej mantras etc.. but with no seriousness, He came to our colony one night back, there were rumors like he eats cats and dogs and he is a dirty mean person, lookwise he was terrible, a sturdy body with red burning eyes but strange he has a soft heart. we were facing lots of issues, my mother was in front of the house, unwilling to open doors for him, but as i was there in the house, taking bath ... she openned the door. He asked my mother - " Maa, I m hungry, Maathaa Bhaat (rice with liquid curd - I dont know what maatha is called in english) khaunga .. " There was no curd in the home, So my maa gave him other things to eat .. He sat on our paasage and produced a Durga Idol from no where and gave to my mother, I thought he is a cunning man, may be trying to snap more money from my maa.. I had finished bath and was doing gayatri mantra ... I started putting steps towards him, suddenly he stood.. and said, " Maa tu isaki chinta mat kar, Wo bahut kuchh karega, Ghar bhi banaa lega aur car bhi khareed lega , aur bahut kuchh ... " means " Ma dont worry for him " , he will do lot many things in life .. " He didn't face me and left my house, i followed him, he started walking fast, said - " dont follow me " , I asked him, wherefrom u came, he said - " Sarweshwari " , Oh I knew that group, founded by Kina Raam and organised by Aghora Bhagvaan Raam centered in Varanashi. He said - " dont come to this way, goto ur ways " , I didn't understand him, now i do understand him, such tantrik sects are not made for me.. I asked where I can meet u, he said - " I will come, dont follow me, Maatha bhaat khilana ... " I couldnt look into his eyes, I have good control on my vision, when I met Puttaparti Sai Baba, I looked deeply into his eyes, for some 3 - 4 minutes, he also. But this sadhaka didnt allow me to look into his eyes. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > > Sorry that I missed this mail. > > I shall certainly be interested to read your experiences with this Sadhaka > > Regards, > > aavesh > > > litsol <litsol wrote: > Dear Sir, > > Can i tell u about my strange meeting with a Aghora Sadhaka, I think > he was the first mysterious person in my life. > > regards, > Lalit. > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > wrote: > > > > Good Morning Aarkayji, > > > > Another brilliant mail from you Sir. > > > > I am in full agreement with what you have said regarding the fact > that Yogananda was fully qualified to write on his experiences > regarding 'Siddhis' (In fact the book was written on the instructions > of Mahavtar Babaji as many are aware) > > > > Aghora is a different matter altogether.It is easily one of the > least understood and much maligned systems today. > > > > It is a real pity that a system which owes it's origins to Lord > Dattatreya and Lord Shiva has been so grossly misunderstood and > misused > > > > Personally speaking I tend to keep an open mind on spiritual > practices (not being judgmental itself is a great virtue on this path) > > > > As they to 'each his own' > > > > Regards, > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > rk dash wrote: > > Aavesh, > > Excuse me my poesy. The incidental distinction I touched upon was > between esoteric path(s) and non-esoteric ones. Not between dakshina > and vaama. Where would you put the nocturnal court which the > levitating Lahiri Mahasaya held, with fairies hovering above him and > which was espied by his wife, or for that matter the session at the > ghats of Benaras where Yogavatar, Mahavatar and the latter's sister > met nightly? These were all yogis -- rajyogi of the highest order in > modern times. You would agree that that was esoteric. Even kaulachaar > should be requiring the adherent to keep his own counsel. When > Yogananda does that (when he writes the autobiography), he shares his > life experiences to the high end of edification of mankind. And that > is after he has GONE THROUGH it all, much as a tathagata. Which is in > order, not needing any defending. > > > > The Aghora parampara marks out its boundary with 'prapancha' > differently. That should explain the comparison and contrast and > contest (the 'spardha') among certain adherents. Mark my use of the > word 'prapancha'. > > > > You have hardly confuted my account. > > > > I have been using bold letters for words which significantly > qualify what I say, please note, here as also earlier. > > > > RK > > > > On 19/12/2007, aavesh t wrote: > Namaskar AarkayDa and Lalit, > > > > Sorry for intervening in your private discussions. > > > > A couple of points: > > > > (i)The debate whether one should reveal one's Siddhis has been > there since time immemorial > > > > (ii)As Aarkayji has pointed out in his poetic language (which > goes over my head many a time) that the Dakshinmargi school of > thought believes in keeping one's Siddhis to oneself > > > > (iii)Vama Marga has the other approach.Here spiritual aspirants > openly challenge each other and often there are duels to prove one's > Siddhis.The much blamed and criticised Agohoris being part of this > school of thought > > > > (iv)Ultimately,it comes down to the individual and his relation > with his Ishta (Personally speaking though I have always beleieved in > Swami Yukteshwar Giri's approach. He never exhibited his Siddhis > unless directed by a higher power to do so (This is vividly described > by Yogananda in 'Autobiography of a Yogi') > > > > This note is not to take up sides or criticise but just some > observations from an interested observer of life's Maya !! > > > > Regards, > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rk dash wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > > The proscription on one's spiritual experience is premised on two > well-founded tenets. > > > > One, tongue-wagging doesn't enrich it. It cuts down introversion. > The inward journey peters out. Some exoteric paths seem not to > discourage it. Another matter. But Satsang is another ball game. > Guidence is sought in confidence. Much like public display emotion > (for some) is a no-no. In extreme esoteric paths, it is a game of > dice -- often. There stakes are high. The higher they are, the more > circumspect the seeker must be, or the world would come down on him. > It (the world) can be nice slaughter house. > > > > Two, much of 'That' is ineffable -- anirvachaniya. ('That' is a > vedic favourite as a referent) > > > > RK > > > > On 18/12/2007, litsol > wrote: No Sir, > > > > I was always single and alone, rahu in 11'th makes sure no > > frinds....., i was misunderstood for my straightforward uncanny > > talks , but i had to do such talks, otherwise, this time when it's > > accepted that spirituality is a gone thing, has no application in > > real life, those who are spiritual are outdated antique .. people > and > > particularly narrowminded indian girls and reporters of confused > news > > papers like times of india, I decided to put everything as it is, > > without no mixing. > > > > Still there were threats to taken as egoists or self promoting > person > > coz putting truth, truth being most unusual things and particularly > > when every body has a fixed frame of mind, taken as a egoist is > > obvious. but truth is absolute, some elders asked me not to tell > > spiritual experiences openly otherwise i can loose them, why even > in > > the lap of the moher god one will care loss and gain ? at least in > > spirituality there is no loss.. cant be there. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " rk dash " > > wrote: > > > > > > You could have said 'chhandanuvritte...' not gyanam vandhanam. > Till > > I read > > > your reply today I thought the guy had a very strong line of > > followers > > > (subservient worker bees) who lose no time in singing his > prasasti > > whenever > > > there is a threat to his carefully constructed reputation. That > is > > what I > > > meant. The resaon was to avoid any direct talk about unpleasant > > things and > > > people. 'At the drop of a turban' was my adaptation of the > > phrase 'at the > > > drop of a hat' to what pundits' headgear. > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > On 17/12/2007, litsol > wrote: > > > > > > > > " A formidable line of drone who can spring a most awesome > > ergo noisome > > > > canticle of accomplishments, at the drop of a turban " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My english is like my english only ..... what u said is > difficult > > for me > > > > to understand, I dont know what is " canticle " , do u > mean " stuti " > > and turban > > > > means " pagari or safa " ... then what is drone? something that > > keeps playing > > > > in a instrument wihout attension ... then what meaning it > carries > > altogather > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont understand it, but what i can say is, without a fall, > God > > has and > > > > will ensure relevance of spirituality in my life, I see how all > > are dancing > > > > those who are knowledgable and also those who are ignorant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > !! Gyanam Bandhanam !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If u want to see the God, I mean wish to realize it, It will > > happen, it > > > > will happen, It will happen !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, it's very easy and then easy is any task u want to do we > > have to > > > > traverse the maya, and mayapati is always with us... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > aavesh > > > > > > Save all your chat conversations. Find them online. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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