Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Prabodh Ji, Namaskaar, I think you have good sense of humor, Any way, I m sorry, I never thought that u w'd take me like this - " This usually said to a person when he retires from the office knowing that again he wont come " I m eager to know, this longevity factor and if we can confirm death in a Aeroplane crash. Why he didnt get his place in india even after his death, we all know Mahtma Gandhi was biased in his case, Gandhi left Gandhigiri in his case. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Prabodh Vekhande " <amolmandar wrote: > > Lalit ji Namaste > > > Namaskaar, group is thankful to you for ur contributions and > > guidance > > This usually said to a person when he retires from the office knowing > that again he wont come! > > I am surprise that you asked me to analyse chart of a person whose AL > is in papakartari and 8th from it has UL with the Sun,Mercury, and > RAHU and 12th has Mars. Well-placed Mars(Khun/Blood) and Mercury > (Azadi/Independance) from Lagna gave him sharp intellect and dash to > get the things done. > > At the time of death, he was in Karka dasa with Ketu in it and argala > from Mars. He became active in Mithuna dasha to loose the reputation > because of Ke-Ma configuration. He did something which was considred > as 'mistake' by many in this time as Ke was 2nd to dasha rashi with > Paka rashi having Rahu made him to talk to German people. > > What I wonder is that inspite of Jupiter in 5th from Lagna and 3rd > from AL, he did not understand Mahatmaji's principles. Possibly,Ju > was not aspecting Lagna Lord! > > This is what I could read in first attempt. Actually, you should give > such charts to those who are into Jyotish since long and have no Mars > effects. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > <litsol@> wrote: > > > > Prabodh Ji, > > > > Namaskaar, group is thankful to you for ur contributions and > > guidance, I need a personal favor from you, some 15 days back, I > > wanted to post Netaji Shubhash Chandra Bosh's horoscope, I dont > know > > where i missed it, w'd request you to do an analysis of his chart > and > > mode of death. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Prabodh Vekhande " > > <amolmandar@> wrote: > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste > > > > > > I am really sorry for my quality of english. I will try again. I > > did > > > say that only Shubha(FB) can be RYK. That is if a graha has to > lead > > > to Rajyoga, it must satisfy some conditions. > > > 1) It must be Shubha or Functional Benefic. > > > 1.1) Shubha or FB means lord of 5th and 9th. > > > 2) only 9th lord can lead to Rajyoga > > > 3) This 9th lord( which is always Shubha or FB) must have some > > > sambandha with 10th lord. > > > 4) This 9th lord should not be with blemish. Blemish is for > > behaving > > > as Rajyogakarak and blemish does not mean loss of Shubhatva. > > > 4.1) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of lordship of 3,6,8,11 > > > simultaneously. > > > 4.2) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of it 'Sambandha' with > > 10th > > > lord that has blemish. > > > > > > > > > >Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so (what you > > > > designate as FB) if blemished. > > > > > > No. Slight correction. Read together it means that Shubha is not > > > Rajyogakaraka, if blemished. > > > > > > I hope this time I made no mistake in my english! > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > I am really confused as to what you mean by FB and what is > > shubha, > > > > according to you. May be at my age the cryptic use of initials > is > > > too > > > > much to grasp. But did you not say " I mean only Shubha (FB) can > be > > > > qualified as Rajyogakarak " ? and then that the shubhas should > be > > > without > > > > blemish. Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so > (what > > > you > > > > designate as FB) if blemished. But then my comprehension could > be > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > >So why the distinction between > > > > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so > > at > > > this > > > > > > stage? > > > > > > > > > > There is no distinction from my side. Trikonesh(5th/9th) is FB > > > (Shubha) > > > > > but every FB(Shubha) is not YK. 9th lord along with 10th lord > > can > > > > > lead to YK. To avoid repetition BPHS has indicated many > things > > by > > > > > necessary connotation though not expressed directly. That is > the > > > > > reason,why BPHS has not said anything about Shubha or Ashubha > of > > > > > shani for Budha's lagna. > > > > > Like, since before describing specific lagna, it has > discussed > > in > > > > > general Shubhashubha of Bhava-Bhavesh. In that it clearly says > > > > > that " TrikoneshaH ShubhaH SmrutaH " . Keeping this in mind if > > > > > intreprete shlokas of specific lagna we may get correct > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their > undisputed > > > > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about > those > > > > > portions > > > > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu > Parashari? > > > > > Should > > > > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? > > > > > > > > > > Since you ignored this question what should we follow? Laghu > > > > > Parashari or Guru Parahari? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make it clear as to what you meant by Benefic in the > > > > > original > > > > > > post, if not functional benefic? So why the distinction > > between > > > > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so > > at > > > this > > > > > > stage? I do not find any such distinction in the shlokas of > > > BPHS. > > > > > Do > > > > > > you? If I remember right, Parashara says that for Mithuna > > lagna > > > > > only > > > > > > Shukra is shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should we not take general and specific rule into > > > consideration? > > > > > Like > > > > > > > being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I mean > only > > > > > Shubha > > > > > > > (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of 9th and 10th > > and > > > > > their > > > > > > > Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be without > > > > > blemish. > > > > > > > Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY) because > of > > > graha > > > > > > > holding 3,6,8,11 as well. That is why for Mithuna Shani > is > > > Shubha > > > > > (FB) > > > > > > > but being 8th lord as well when gets associated with 10th > > lord > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > does not lead to RY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I see it as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord Guru is Shubha and is 12th lord so qualifies as > RYK > > > > > > > 10th lord Shani is lord of 11th as well hence can not > give > > RYK > > > > > even > > > > > > > if involved with 9th lord Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vrishabha > > > > > > > Shani RYK as 9th and 10th lord > > > > > > > Mithuna > > > > > > > Shani is Shubha but being 8th lord can not lead to RYK > even > > if > > > > > > > invloved with 10th lord Guru. > > > > > > > Karka > > > > > > > Guru is Benefic but RYK is only Mangal. Guru is 6th lord > as > > > well > > > > > so > > > > > > > not RYK status. > > > > > > > Simha > > > > > > > 9th lord Mangal is RYK but 10th lord Shukra is as well > 3rd > > > lord so > > > > > > > its association with Mangal does not lead to RY. > > > > > > > Kanya > > > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 2nd hence RYK along > with > > > 10th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > Budha. > > > > > > > Tula > > > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 12th hence RYK along > > with > > > 10th > > > > > > > lord Chandra . > > > > > > > Vrichika > > > > > > > Surya-Chandra RYK > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > Surya Budha RYK > > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > 9th lord Budha is benefic but being 6th lord does not > lead > > to > > > RYK > > > > > > > Kumbha > > > > > > > Shukar only RYK as 10th lord Mangal is 3rd lord as well > > > > > > > Meena > > > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and since takes 2nd lordship leads to > > RYK > > > > > along > > > > > > > with 10th lord Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what I understand by Parashara is that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) > > > > > > > Trikonesh(9th and 5th Lord) are alwyas Benefic but 9th > lord > > > may > > > > > not > > > > > > > lead to Rajyoga if owns (3,6,8,11). > > > > > > > 2) > > > > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 6th lord(Shukra for Vrishabha),it > is > > > > > Ashubha > > > > > > > and when it is NM and 6th lord(Mangal for Vrishcika),it > is > > > Sama- > > > > > Shubha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 8th lord(Shukra for Tula),it is > Sama- > > > Shubha > > > > > > > and when it is NM and 8th lord( Mangal for Mesha), it is > > > Shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their > undisputed > > > > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about > those > > > > > portions > > > > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu > Parashari? > > > > > Should > > > > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure that you are aware that Laghu Parashari was > > always > > > > > > > available > > > > > > > > in manuscript form and also called Ududaya Pradeep. > BPHS > > was > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > compilation of shlokas from various pandits who > > remembered > > > them > > > > > or > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > manuscripts that had different shloka amongst > themselves. > > > So it > > > > > is > > > > > > > safer > > > > > > > > to go with What is available in Laghu Parashari from > whose > > > > > shloka I > > > > > > > > quoted. The same also appears in most of the other > > editions > > > of > > > > > BPHS > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > does make sense. The reason is the following shloka: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dharmakarmädhinetärau randhraläbhädhipau yadi | > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù ||22|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ _ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _If lord of the 9^th or 10^th are also lords of 8^th or > > > 11^th > > > > > these > > > > > > > > associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition should > have > > > that > > > > > > > shloka. > > > > > > > > Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the 9th due to > > > > > > > simultaneously > > > > > > > > owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First it says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house > > lord > > > to > > > > > 9th > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > then it goes on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will > > > become > > > > > > > benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by > > Devashandra > > > Za. > > > > > > > Atleast > > > > > > > > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord > > > placement. > > > > > > > Which > > > > > > > > > one to read and follow? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says > > that > > > only > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th > > it > > > is > > > > > not > > > > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being > > > shubha > > > > > only > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting > > the > > > > > shloka, > > > > > > > > > with its > > > > > > > > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English > > > > > translation) > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > your ready reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th > > house > > > lord > > > > > to > > > > > > > 9^th > > > > > > > > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and > > occupies > > > > > Lagna or > > > > > > > > > 8^th > > > > > > > > > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, > > > please > > > > > let > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine > lord > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house > is > > > > > ashubha > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is > > colord > > > of > > > > > 9th > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > trine > > > > > > > > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and > hence > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > treated > > > > > > > > > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > 40>, > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional > benefics, > > for > > > > > dasha > > > > > > > > > > > analysis. The > > > > > > > > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. > > generally > > > if > > > > > the > > > > > > > graha > > > > > > > > > > > owns a > > > > > > > > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it > > is > > > not > > > > > > > > > considered a > > > > > > > > > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and > > > 8'th , > > > > > eg - > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not > > > considered > > > > > bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th > *and* > > > 8'th > > > > > eg - > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in > > 5'th > > > *or > > > > > > > *8'th > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and > > 9'th > > > eg - > > > > > > > Sat for > > > > > > > > > > > Gemini > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be > > fully > > > good > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > mixed > > > > > > > > > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses > > > also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Dear Lalait ji Namaste It was total majak! I can not remain serious for a long duration on any subject. I do it for the pun of it. Here people are very serious kind of intellectuals. I like Hastain Hastain Sikhana Chahiye. I seriously differ from your opinion that he did not get his due in India. On the other hand I feel that he got more than that(Atleast Astrologically I feel so). He had some secret life inspite of being in public figure. Remember in those day, this was unethical. Mahatmaji tried his best to utilise his power but his Mars nerver allowed him to accept Mahatmaji's principles. Anyway, this is my personal opinion and I may be totally wrong. Let Gurus do his death analysis possibly I am fit for that. Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol wrote: > > Prabodh Ji, > > Namaskaar, I think you have good sense of humor, Any way, I m sorry, > I never thought that u w'd take me like this - " This usually said to > a person when he retires from the office knowing that again he wont > come " > > I m eager to know, this longevity factor and if we can confirm death > in a Aeroplane crash. > > Why he didnt get his place in india even after his death, we all know > Mahtma Gandhi was biased in his case, Gandhi left Gandhigiri in his > case. > > regards, > Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Prabodh Vekhande " > <amolmandar@> wrote: > > > > Lalit ji Namaste > > > > > Namaskaar, group is thankful to you for ur contributions and > > > guidance > > > > This usually said to a person when he retires from the office > knowing > > that again he wont come! > > > > I am surprise that you asked me to analyse chart of a person whose > AL > > is in papakartari and 8th from it has UL with the Sun,Mercury, and > > RAHU and 12th has Mars. Well-placed Mars(Khun/Blood) and Mercury > > (Azadi/Independance) from Lagna gave him sharp intellect and dash > to > > get the things done. > > > > At the time of death, he was in Karka dasa with Ketu in it and > argala > > from Mars. He became active in Mithuna dasha to loose the > reputation > > because of Ke-Ma configuration. He did something which was > considred > > as 'mistake' by many in this time as Ke was 2nd to dasha rashi with > > Paka rashi having Rahu made him to talk to German people. > > > > What I wonder is that inspite of Jupiter in 5th from Lagna and 3rd > > from AL, he did not understand Mahatmaji's principles. Possibly,Ju > > was not aspecting Lagna Lord! > > > > This is what I could read in first attempt. Actually, you should > give > > such charts to those who are into Jyotish since long and have no > Mars > > effects. > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > > <litsol@> wrote: > > > > > > Prabodh Ji, > > > > > > Namaskaar, group is thankful to you for ur contributions and > > > guidance, I need a personal favor from you, some 15 days back, I > > > wanted to post Netaji Shubhash Chandra Bosh's horoscope, I dont > > know > > > where i missed it, w'd request you to do an analysis of his chart > > and > > > mode of death. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Prabodh > Vekhande " > > > <amolmandar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste > > > > > > > > I am really sorry for my quality of english. I will try again. > I > > > did > > > > say that only Shubha(FB) can be RYK. That is if a graha has to > > lead > > > > to Rajyoga, it must satisfy some conditions. > > > > 1) It must be Shubha or Functional Benefic. > > > > 1.1) Shubha or FB means lord of 5th and 9th. > > > > 2) only 9th lord can lead to Rajyoga > > > > 3) This 9th lord( which is always Shubha or FB) must have some > > > > sambandha with 10th lord. > > > > 4) This 9th lord should not be with blemish. Blemish is for > > > behaving > > > > as Rajyogakarak and blemish does not mean loss of Shubhatva. > > > > 4.1) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of lordship of > 3,6,8,11 > > > > simultaneously. > > > > 4.2) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of it 'Sambandha' with > > > 10th > > > > lord that has blemish. > > > > > > > > > > > > >Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so (what you > > > > > designate as FB) if blemished. > > > > > > > > No. Slight correction. Read together it means that Shubha is > not > > > > Rajyogakaraka, if blemished. > > > > > > > > I hope this time I made no mistake in my english! > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > I am really confused as to what you mean by FB and what is > > > shubha, > > > > > according to you. May be at my age the cryptic use of > initials > > is > > > > too > > > > > much to grasp. But did you not say " I mean only Shubha (FB) > can > > be > > > > > qualified as Rajyogakarak " ? and then that the shubhas should > > be > > > > without > > > > > blemish. Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so > > (what > > > > you > > > > > designate as FB) if blemished. But then my comprehension > could > > be > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > >So why the distinction between > > > > > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being > so > > > at > > > > this > > > > > > > stage? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no distinction from my side. Trikonesh(5th/9th) is > FB > > > > (Shubha) > > > > > > but every FB(Shubha) is not YK. 9th lord along with 10th > lord > > > can > > > > > > lead to YK. To avoid repetition BPHS has indicated many > > things > > > by > > > > > > necessary connotation though not expressed directly. That > is > > the > > > > > > reason,why BPHS has not said anything about Shubha or > Ashubha > > of > > > > > > shani for Budha's lagna. > > > > > > Like, since before describing specific lagna, it has > > discussed > > > in > > > > > > general Shubhashubha of Bhava-Bhavesh. In that it clearly > says > > > > > > that " TrikoneshaH ShubhaH SmrutaH " . Keeping this in mind if > > > > > > intreprete shlokas of specific lagna we may get correct > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their > > undisputed > > > > > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about > > those > > > > > > portions > > > > > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu > > Parashari? > > > > > > Should > > > > > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you ignored this question what should we follow? Laghu > > > > > > Parashari or Guru Parahari? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make it clear as to what you meant by Benefic in > the > > > > > > original > > > > > > > post, if not functional benefic? So why the distinction > > > between > > > > > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being > so > > > at > > > > this > > > > > > > stage? I do not find any such distinction in the shlokas > of > > > > BPHS. > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > you? If I remember right, Parashara says that for Mithuna > > > lagna > > > > > > only > > > > > > > Shukra is shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should we not take general and specific rule into > > > > consideration? > > > > > > Like > > > > > > > > being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I mean > > only > > > > > > Shubha > > > > > > > > (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of 9th and > 10th > > > and > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be > without > > > > > > blemish. > > > > > > > > Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY) because > > of > > > > graha > > > > > > > > holding 3,6,8,11 as well. That is why for Mithuna Shani > > is > > > > Shubha > > > > > > (FB) > > > > > > > > but being 8th lord as well when gets associated with > 10th > > > lord > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > does not lead to RY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I see it as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord Guru is Shubha and is 12th lord so qualifies > as > > RYK > > > > > > > > 10th lord Shani is lord of 11th as well hence can not > > give > > > RYK > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > if involved with 9th lord Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vrishabha > > > > > > > > Shani RYK as 9th and 10th lord > > > > > > > > Mithuna > > > > > > > > Shani is Shubha but being 8th lord can not lead to RYK > > even > > > if > > > > > > > > invloved with 10th lord Guru. > > > > > > > > Karka > > > > > > > > Guru is Benefic but RYK is only Mangal. Guru is 6th > lord > > as > > > > well > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > not RYK status. > > > > > > > > Simha > > > > > > > > 9th lord Mangal is RYK but 10th lord Shukra is as well > > 3rd > > > > lord so > > > > > > > > its association with Mangal does not lead to RY. > > > > > > > > Kanya > > > > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 2nd hence RYK along > > with > > > > 10th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > Budha. > > > > > > > > Tula > > > > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 12th hence RYK along > > > with > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > lord Chandra . > > > > > > > > Vrichika > > > > > > > > Surya-Chandra RYK > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > Surya Budha RYK > > > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > 9th lord Budha is benefic but being 6th lord does not > > lead > > > to > > > > RYK > > > > > > > > Kumbha > > > > > > > > Shukar only RYK as 10th lord Mangal is 3rd lord as well > > > > > > > > Meena > > > > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and since takes 2nd lordship leads > to > > > RYK > > > > > > along > > > > > > > > with 10th lord Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what I understand by Parashara is that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) > > > > > > > > Trikonesh(9th and 5th Lord) are alwyas Benefic but 9th > > lord > > > > may > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > lead to Rajyoga if owns (3,6,8,11). > > > > > > > > 2) > > > > > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 6th lord(Shukra for > Vrishabha),it > > is > > > > > > Ashubha > > > > > > > > and when it is NM and 6th lord(Mangal for Vrishcika),it > > is > > > > Sama- > > > > > > Shubha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 8th lord(Shukra for Tula),it is > > Sama- > > > > Shubha > > > > > > > > and when it is NM and 8th lord( Mangal for Mesha), it > is > > > > Shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their > > undisputed > > > > > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about > > those > > > > > > portions > > > > > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu > > Parashari? > > > > > > Should > > > > > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure that you are aware that Laghu Parashari was > > > always > > > > > > > > available > > > > > > > > > in manuscript form and also called Ududaya Pradeep. > > BPHS > > > was > > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > > compilation of shlokas from various pandits who > > > remembered > > > > them > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > manuscripts that had different shloka amongst > > themselves. > > > > So it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > safer > > > > > > > > > to go with What is available in Laghu Parashari from > > whose > > > > > > shloka I > > > > > > > > > quoted. The same also appears in most of the other > > > editions > > > > of > > > > > > BPHS > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > does make sense. The reason is the following shloka: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dharmakarmädhinetärau randhraläbhädhipau yadi | > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù ||22|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ _ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _If lord of the 9^th or 10^th are also lords of 8^th > or > > > > 11^th > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition should > > have > > > > that > > > > > > > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the 9th due > to > > > > > > > > simultaneously > > > > > > > > > owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First it says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house > > > lord > > > > to > > > > > > 9th > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > then it goes on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it > will > > > > become > > > > > > > > benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by > > > Devashandra > > > > Za. > > > > > > > > Atleast > > > > > > > > > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord > > > > placement. > > > > > > > > Which > > > > > > > > > > one to read and follow? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% 40>, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He > says > > > that > > > > only > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the > 8th > > > it > > > > is > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its > being > > > > shubha > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am > pasting > > > the > > > > > > shloka, > > > > > > > > > > with its > > > > > > > > > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in > English > > > > > > translation) > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > your ready reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam > ||9|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th > > > house > > > > lord > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > 9^th > > > > > > > > > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and > > > occupies > > > > > > Lagna or > > > > > > > > > > 8^th > > > > > > > > > > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other > shloka, > > > > please > > > > > > let > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine > > lord > > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th > house > > is > > > > > > ashubha > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is > > > colord > > > > of > > > > > > 9th > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > trine > > > > > > > > > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and > > hence > > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > > treated > > > > > > > > > > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > > 40>, > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional > > benefics, > > > for > > > > > > dasha > > > > > > > > > > > > analysis. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. > > > generally > > > > if > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > graha > > > > > > > > > > > > owns a > > > > > > > > > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th > it > > > is > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > considered a > > > > > > > > > > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if > required - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st > and > > > > 8'th , > > > > > > eg - > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not > > > > considered > > > > > > bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th > > *and* > > > > 8'th > > > > > > eg - > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed > in > > > 5'th > > > > *or > > > > > > > > *8'th > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th > and > > > 9'th > > > > eg - > > > > > > > > Sat for > > > > > > > > > > > > Gemini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be > > > fully > > > > good > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > mixed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other > houeses > > > > also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Prabodh Ji, Namaskaar, I think u know some secret which we dont, if you are indicating Netaji Subhash's falling in love with a german woman, I dont think it was wrong. It's becoming very interesting, what is date and time of the birth. I think u are aware of married Gandhi's mute affair with Ravindranath Tagor's niece, I vaguely remember Mars + Venus were present in his chart. Pls. tell us what is there in his chart that prompts u to say - I feel that he got more than that " (Atleast Astrologically I feel so) " . regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Prabodh Vekhande " <amolmandar wrote: > > Dear Lalait ji Namaste > > It was total majak! I can not remain serious for a long duration on > any subject. I do it for the pun of it. Here people are very serious > kind of intellectuals. I like Hastain Hastain Sikhana Chahiye. > > > I seriously differ from your opinion that he did not get his due in > India. On the other hand I feel that he got more than that(Atleast > Astrologically I feel so). He had some secret life inspite of being > in public figure. Remember in those day, this was unethical. > Mahatmaji tried his best to utilise his power but his Mars nerver > allowed him to accept Mahatmaji's principles. Anyway, this is my > personal opinion and I may be totally wrong. > Let Gurus do his death analysis possibly I am fit for that. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > <litsol@> wrote: > > > > Prabodh Ji, > > > > Namaskaar, I think you have good sense of humor, Any way, I m > sorry, > > I never thought that u w'd take me like this - " This usually said > to > > a person when he retires from the office knowing that again he wont > > come " > > > > I m eager to know, this longevity factor and if we can confirm > death > > in a Aeroplane crash. > > > > Why he didnt get his place in india even after his death, we all > know > > Mahtma Gandhi was biased in his case, Gandhi left Gandhigiri in his > > case. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Prabodh Vekhande " > > <amolmandar@> wrote: > > > > > > Lalit ji Namaste > > > > > > > Namaskaar, group is thankful to you for ur contributions and > > > > guidance > > > > > > This usually said to a person when he retires from the office > > knowing > > > that again he wont come! > > > > > > I am surprise that you asked me to analyse chart of a person > whose > > AL > > > is in papakartari and 8th from it has UL with the Sun,Mercury, > and > > > RAHU and 12th has Mars. Well-placed Mars(Khun/Blood) and Mercury > > > (Azadi/Independance) from Lagna gave him sharp intellect and dash > > to > > > get the things done. > > > > > > At the time of death, he was in Karka dasa with Ketu in it and > > argala > > > from Mars. He became active in Mithuna dasha to loose the > > reputation > > > because of Ke-Ma configuration. He did something which was > > considred > > > as 'mistake' by many in this time as Ke was 2nd to dasha rashi > with > > > Paka rashi having Rahu made him to talk to German people. > > > > > > What I wonder is that inspite of Jupiter in 5th from Lagna and > 3rd > > > from AL, he did not understand Mahatmaji's principles. > Possibly,Ju > > > was not aspecting Lagna Lord! > > > > > > This is what I could read in first attempt. Actually, you should > > give > > > such charts to those who are into Jyotish since long and have no > > Mars > > > effects. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > > > <litsol@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Prabodh Ji, > > > > > > > > Namaskaar, group is thankful to you for ur contributions and > > > > guidance, I need a personal favor from you, some 15 days back, > I > > > > wanted to post Netaji Shubhash Chandra Bosh's horoscope, I dont > > > know > > > > where i missed it, w'd request you to do an analysis of his > chart > > > and > > > > mode of death. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Prabodh > > Vekhande " > > > > <amolmandar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > I am really sorry for my quality of english. I will try > again. > > I > > > > did > > > > > say that only Shubha(FB) can be RYK. That is if a graha has > to > > > lead > > > > > to Rajyoga, it must satisfy some conditions. > > > > > 1) It must be Shubha or Functional Benefic. > > > > > 1.1) Shubha or FB means lord of 5th and 9th. > > > > > 2) only 9th lord can lead to Rajyoga > > > > > 3) This 9th lord( which is always Shubha or FB) must have > some > > > > > sambandha with 10th lord. > > > > > 4) This 9th lord should not be with blemish. Blemish is for > > > > behaving > > > > > as Rajyogakarak and blemish does not mean loss of Shubhatva. > > > > > 4.1) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of lordship of > > 3,6,8,11 > > > > > simultaneously. > > > > > 4.2) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of it 'Sambandha' > with > > > > 10th > > > > > lord that has blemish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so (what you > > > > > > designate as FB) if blemished. > > > > > > > > > > No. Slight correction. Read together it means that Shubha is > > not > > > > > Rajyogakaraka, if blemished. > > > > > > > > > > I hope this time I made no mistake in my english! > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am really confused as to what you mean by FB and what is > > > > shubha, > > > > > > according to you. May be at my age the cryptic use of > > initials > > > is > > > > > too > > > > > > much to grasp. But did you not say " I mean only Shubha (FB) > > can > > > be > > > > > > qualified as Rajyogakarak " ? and then that the shubhas > should > > > be > > > > > without > > > > > > blemish. Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so > > > (what > > > > > you > > > > > > designate as FB) if blemished. But then my comprehension > > could > > > be > > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >So why the distinction between > > > > > > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha > being > > so > > > > at > > > > > this > > > > > > > > stage? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no distinction from my side. Trikonesh (5th/9th) > is > > FB > > > > > (Shubha) > > > > > > > but every FB(Shubha) is not YK. 9th lord along with 10th > > lord > > > > can > > > > > > > lead to YK. To avoid repetition BPHS has indicated many > > > things > > > > by > > > > > > > necessary connotation though not expressed directly. That > > is > > > the > > > > > > > reason,why BPHS has not said anything about Shubha or > > Ashubha > > > of > > > > > > > shani for Budha's lagna. > > > > > > > Like, since before describing specific lagna, it has > > > discussed > > > > in > > > > > > > general Shubhashubha of Bhava-Bhavesh. In that it clearly > > says > > > > > > > that " TrikoneshaH ShubhaH SmrutaH " . Keeping this in mind > if > > > > > > > intreprete shlokas of specific lagna we may get correct > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their > > > undisputed > > > > > > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about > > > those > > > > > > > portions > > > > > > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu > > > Parashari? > > > > > > > Should > > > > > > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you ignored this question what should we follow? > Laghu > > > > > > > Parashari or Guru Parahari? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make it clear as to what you meant by Benefic > in > > the > > > > > > > original > > > > > > > > post, if not functional benefic? So why the distinction > > > > between > > > > > > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha > being > > so > > > > at > > > > > this > > > > > > > > stage? I do not find any such distinction in the > shlokas > > of > > > > > BPHS. > > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > > you? If I remember right, Parashara says that for > Mithuna > > > > lagna > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > Shukra is shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should we not take general and specific rule into > > > > > consideration? > > > > > > > Like > > > > > > > > > being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I > mean > > > only > > > > > > > Shubha > > > > > > > > > (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of 9th and > > 10th > > > > and > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be > > without > > > > > > > blemish. > > > > > > > > > Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY) > because > > > of > > > > > graha > > > > > > > > > holding 3,6,8,11 as well. That is why for Mithuna > Shani > > > is > > > > > Shubha > > > > > > > (FB) > > > > > > > > > but being 8th lord as well when gets associated with > > 10th > > > > lord > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > does not lead to RY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I see it as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord Guru is Shubha and is 12th lord so qualifies > > as > > > RYK > > > > > > > > > 10th lord Shani is lord of 11th as well hence can not > > > give > > > > RYK > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > if involved with 9th lord Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vrishabha > > > > > > > > > Shani RYK as 9th and 10th lord > > > > > > > > > Mithuna > > > > > > > > > Shani is Shubha but being 8th lord can not lead to > RYK > > > even > > > > if > > > > > > > > > invloved with 10th lord Guru. > > > > > > > > > Karka > > > > > > > > > Guru is Benefic but RYK is only Mangal. Guru is 6th > > lord > > > as > > > > > well > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > not RYK status. > > > > > > > > > Simha > > > > > > > > > 9th lord Mangal is RYK but 10th lord Shukra is as > well > > > 3rd > > > > > lord so > > > > > > > > > its association with Mangal does not lead to RY. > > > > > > > > > Kanya > > > > > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 2nd hence RYK > along > > > with > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > Budha. > > > > > > > > > Tula > > > > > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 12th hence RYK > along > > > > with > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > lord Chandra . > > > > > > > > > Vrichika > > > > > > > > > Surya-Chandra RYK > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > Surya Budha RYK > > > > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > > 9th lord Budha is benefic but being 6th lord does not > > > lead > > > > to > > > > > RYK > > > > > > > > > Kumbha > > > > > > > > > Shukar only RYK as 10th lord Mangal is 3rd lord as > well > > > > > > > > > Meena > > > > > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and since takes 2nd lordship > leads > > to > > > > RYK > > > > > > > along > > > > > > > > > with 10th lord Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what I understand by Parashara is that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) > > > > > > > > > Trikonesh(9th and 5th Lord) are alwyas Benefic but > 9th > > > lord > > > > > may > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > lead to Rajyoga if owns (3,6,8,11). > > > > > > > > > 2) > > > > > > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 6th lord(Shukra for > > Vrishabha),it > > > is > > > > > > > Ashubha > > > > > > > > > and when it is NM and 6th lord(Mangal for > Vrishcika),it > > > is > > > > > Sama- > > > > > > > Shubha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 8th lord(Shukra for Tula),it > is > > > Sama- > > > > > Shubha > > > > > > > > > and when it is NM and 8th lord( Mangal for Mesha), it > > is > > > > > Shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their > > > undisputed > > > > > > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about > > > those > > > > > > > portions > > > > > > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu > > > Parashari? > > > > > > > Should > > > > > > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure that you are aware that Laghu Parashari > was > > > > always > > > > > > > > > available > > > > > > > > > > in manuscript form and also called Ududaya Pradeep. > > > BPHS > > > > was > > > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > > > compilation of shlokas from various pandits who > > > > remembered > > > > > them > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > manuscripts that had different shloka amongst > > > themselves. > > > > > So it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > safer > > > > > > > > > > to go with What is available in Laghu Parashari > from > > > whose > > > > > > > shloka I > > > > > > > > > > quoted. The same also appears in most of the other > > > > editions > > > > > of > > > > > > > BPHS > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > does make sense. The reason is the following shloka: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dharmakarmädhinetärau randhraläbhädhipau yadi | > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù ||22|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ _ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _If lord of the 9^th or 10^th are also lords of > 8^th > > or > > > > > 11^th > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition > should > > > have > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the 9th > due > > to > > > > > > > > > simultaneously > > > > > > > > > > owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First it says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th > house > > > > lord > > > > > to > > > > > > > 9th > > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > then it goes on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it > > will > > > > > become > > > > > > > > > benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by > > > > Devashandra > > > > > Za. > > > > > > > > > Atleast > > > > > > > > > > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th > lord > > > > > placement. > > > > > > > > > Which > > > > > > > > > > > one to read and follow? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > 40>, > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He > > says > > > > that > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the > > 8th > > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its > > being > > > > > shubha > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am > > pasting > > > > the > > > > > > > shloka, > > > > > > > > > > > with its > > > > > > > > > > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in > > English > > > > > > > translation) > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > your ready reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù | > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam > > ||9|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being > 12^th > > > > house > > > > > lord > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > 9^th > > > > > > > > > > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and > > > > occupies > > > > > > > Lagna or > > > > > > > > > > > 8^th > > > > > > > > > > > > house he gives benefic results._ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other > > shloka, > > > > > please > > > > > > > let > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > which shloka you are referring to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be > trine > > > lord > > > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th > > house > > > is > > > > > > > ashubha > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord > is > > > > colord > > > > > of > > > > > > > 9th > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > trine > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and > > > hence > > > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > > > treated > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Shubha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > > > 40>, > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional > > > benefics, > > > > for > > > > > > > dasha > > > > > > > > > > > > > analysis. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. > > > > generally > > > > > if > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > graha > > > > > > > > > > > > > owns a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the > 8th > > it > > > > is > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > considered a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > functional benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if > > required - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st > > and > > > > > 8'th , > > > > > > > eg - > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not > > > > > considered > > > > > > > bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th > > > *and* > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > eg - > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed > > in > > > > 5'th > > > > > *or > > > > > > > > > *8'th > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th > > and > > > > 9'th > > > > > eg - > > > > > > > > > Sat for > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gemini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not > be > > > > fully > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > mixed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results we should derive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other > > houeses > > > > > also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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