Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 Dear Sunil, Beliefs and truth are sometimes at variance. Again many of the Kerala astro texts give greater importance to Varaha Mihira than other and earlier texts, as with Prashna Marga. So they are of apparently a later date. Deva Keralam quotes liberally from many of the pravartakas. This is but natural. I think that since the shastra originated with Lord Shiva as do all shastras emanate from him, him being the Adya Guru, it is natural that there would be more than one pravartaka to spread the knowledge in Jambu Dvipa. BPHS is certainly a compendium of all that was attributed to Parashara. But there were some manuscripts named Parashari that were also discovered in north of India. So not all editions are based on shlokas collected from those who remembered them. Take care, Chandrashekhar. sunil nair wrote: Hare ramakrishna, respected chandrasekhar ji . even i dont think its skanda who wrote the skanda hora ,but that is the blv in south among some sects of ppl. Parasara tho now source commonly available ,but u know there is more explained texts still in circulation.Even u know deva kerala has more detailed descriptions .. so all this make me blve parasari is a compendium of all astrological priciples waht ever avilable to him and got corrupted later to great extent . because as u said the variation and different apraoch available with even available resources make me think logicaly . also among the 18 paracharak s parasara stands last in the list .if one is propounder then why there is mentions abt 18 ones. regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > It is said that "laxam vyakaranam proktam chaturlaxam tu jyotisham" > indicating existence of many jyotish texts. It is difficult to date most > of the really ancient texts as they were never in the form of texts but > shlokas carried in the memory of the shishyas. So antiquity of a > manuscript and existence of a grantha through memory are two different > matters. That again is why it is difficult to establish the antiquity of > many Hindu texts. > > Anyway, it remains a fact that in the north India Sage Parashara is > treated as one of the principal source of astrological principles. I > have not yet seen Skanda hora and therefore can not comment on its > antiquity. However it is certainly not written by Lord Skanda. > > The dasha interpretation is available in text and manuscript form as > Laghu Parashari or Ududaaya Pradeep. Actually there is also one Madhya > Parashari. This generated in the interest in searching fro the Parashari > and that led to finding manuscripts which were named as Brihat Parashara > Hora Shastra. besides the manuscripts, an attempt was made to collect > the shlokas carried in memory by the astrologers of yore and these also > find place in some of the editions of BPHS. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna , > > > > respected chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > I never said parasaras contributions r nothing. > > > > > > > > Again my guru told me the jyothishas first reference shows its rishi > > lagadha who we can say first mentiond name but his books or hora is > > not available ,but going by ref ,it shows may be bc 8000 or 10000 as > > he was mentioned in many literature > > > > > > > > But literature says 18 pravarthakas ,parasara is one .Even i think > > varahamihira says .Kerala books also mentiones so . > > > > > > > > what i said is skanda hora is available oldest test pre dating > > parasara tho i dont see it . > > > > > > > > and since i am far away from home my main library is there back home . > > > > > > > > what i was pointing out is lot of literature on various technics r > > still scattered in different texts and even parampara , > > > > > > > > I heard some dasa parasara uses only 4 lines to describe ,but if u go > > to some part of india ,u can find its safely preserved as a full blown > > system with some families . > > > > > > > > so from where they got it ,from BPHS or it was codyfied in BPHS > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks u for ur valuable advise > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > I think that is not strictly correct. If you read the chapter on > > > Ashtakavarga carefully you will understand why I say this. Skanda is > > > said to have created Samudrik shastra and only because there is a text > > > called Skanda Hora (as I think you wrote in one of your posts -"But > > > oldest hora available is skanda hora .") does not mean that it is the > > > original text from which all Pravartakas drew their knowledge. Actually > > > all shastras originated from Lord Shiva. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear lalit , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parasara is not founder of any sistem ,he ammassed what ever > > > > available in the name of indian astrology and present it in book form > > > > .Even he also never said i am starting any new system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there r so many rishis and paramparas b4 parasara into astrology > > > > .Every grp or geographical areas of old bharath may be very bigger > > > > than we can assume today may be contributed for astrology . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parasara was one of the 18 jyothisha pravarthakas in astrology .The > > > > contribution from all quarters of society and total conscieceness of > > > > old indian or hindus is available in BPHS which later may be > > corrupted > > > > also . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now i hav one question can any body say by looking at the family > > > > horoscope how they r related to each other . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by years its possible . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am saying i will giv one chart of a father and 4 other charts can > > > > any body find who is son of this father ?. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This method was used pre DNA testing period to find whether this boy > > > > is born to this father ,and mind it his child giving dasas may not be > > > > indicating as those days may be a king or rich persons has so many > > > > wifes or even keeps which was allowed by society ..So his child may > > > > born any where .Think mahabharath and they hav childrens even among > > > > forest tribes and other communitties but only prathama patnis eldest > > > > son is eligible for kingdom or other titles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also pls quote relevent sloka from parasari . > > > > > > > > Jyothish is not linited to major corner stones applicable these days > > > > of material life ,NOw a days no parents want to know whether my kid > > > > will become a budha or gandhi ,they r eger to know whther he will > > > > become doctor or some one who make money ( and whatever method is > > also > > > > unimportant ) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More in next . > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair . > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol" litsol@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > I m sorry for this mistake. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > > > > > aavesh_s@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > A small correction:The author of BPHS was Maharishi Parashar and > > > > > > not Bhrigu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Bhrigu wrote the Brighu Samhita > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol litsol@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Anoop, > > > > > > > > > > > > No one in astrology is greater than Bhrigu itself , when Bhrigu > > > > > > himself revealed his knowledge in BPHS, what these miniatures will > > > > > > have with them in so called parampara. > > > > > > > > > > > > See, it's ridiculous that in one's life other than his job, change > > > > > in > > > > > > job, ups and downs, travels, love, marriage, failure of love or > > > > > > marriage, kids , kids life , diseases , property accumulation > > etc.. > > > > > > nothing happens, Vedic Astrology is capable of telling u all the > > > > > > details about this. what the hell so called parampara or so called > > > > > > secret knowledge will more tell u, because nothing more is > > > > > happening > > > > > > in ur life. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anoop, what more happens in life which needs hidden knowedge > > to get > > > > > > revealed ? Dont get trapped in such type of astrologers who > > > > > advocates > > > > > > secrets ... and secrets... > > > > > > > > > > > > if somebody knows something exclusive, he should pay his debt to > > > > > > Bhrigu and other Sages by advancing his knowledge to next > > > > > generations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do u think an ingrate person can do good in astrology ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, Never !! > > > > > > > > > > > > Advocating parampara is nothing but a tool to befool either > > > > > > financially or emotionally, a tool for self branding. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , anoop singh > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Lalit Ji, Kiran Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Ji, i pray for the good health of your father. > > > > > > > Its great to know that Lalit ji is remembering all the things > > > > > > which i told on telephonic conversation. But Lalit Ji now i don,t > > > > > > have any affair and i hope that my marriage will be arranged one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran Ji, > > > > > > > I read your analysis and want to know you something. Between > > 2000- > > > > > > 2003, i was going through Rahu MD and Mercury AD, that period was > > > > > > very good to me and i was getting distinction in my education and > > > > > > doing even better that what i deserved. Mercury was giving me very > > > > > > good results. I don't know whether it was due to its placement in > > > > > 8th > > > > > > house(regarede as good placement for mercury in all astrology > > > > > books) > > > > > > or its parivartana with moon which gives unusual or unexpected > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > Even Rahu, Moon period is giving me better results > > professionally > > > > > > till date besides some minor problems. > > > > > > > I think dasa dependency and mere placement of planet doesn,t > > > > > > reveal all. Something more is to be find out through the composite > > > > > > study of chart with the hidden knowledge of astrology that is > > > > > > confined with some astrologers coming from the parampara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > > > > Anoop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "kiran.rama" wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Aveshji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I checked the horoscope of anoop > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He has dhanus ascendant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10H Lord Mercury is in 8th house is not good placement > > > > > > > Mercury should give following results in his period: > > > > > > > * All efforts go waste > > > > > > > * Loss of name and fame - Disgrace > > > > > > > * Bad Life abroad - meaning staying in foreign land away > > from home > > > > > > > yearning to go home but job keeping one in foreign land > > > > > > > * Dangers etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To make matters worse, Rahu is in 10H and malefic Ketu is > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > 10H by way of graha drishti and these malefics toegether > > will give > > > > > > > following results in their periods: > > > > > > > * Obstruction to profession/job > > > > > > > * Servants/Followers forsaking native: Bad time in job > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari started from the Moon, native > > > > > has > > > > > > > Rahu MD till 2010 July. > > > > > > > Jupiter MD starting after this will be good but Mercury AD > > between > > > > > > > 2015 Mar and 2017 Jun is likely to bring bad results > > signified by > > > > > > > Mercury above. Ketu following it is also not good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a learner in astrology and so forgive any gaps in my > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have recieved this request for consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know this person ??.Could you give me a brief of his > > > > > > > background ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on your feedback I shall proceed in the matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S:Pls give me your private email id (so that I can post such > > > > > > > messages directly to you) and not trouble the group members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anoop singh wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Aavesh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came to know you from Lalit working in HCL. > > > > > > > > As i am facing some problem i am writing you personally. > > > > > > > > I faced lot of problem in my career. And After 3 changes in > > > > > > > company i have recently joined a company and hope for good > > future > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > I had to face a failed affair though it was a long and deep > > > > > > > association. > > > > > > > > Now I am concerned about my marriage and marital life. > > > > > > > > When will i get married and how would be my wife and marital > > > > > life? > > > > > > > Please guide me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 12- July - 1978. > > > > > > > > TOB: 17:14 > > > > > > > > POB: Gorakhpur(UP)(83 E 22, 26 N 45) > > > > > > > > Ascendant: Sagitarius(Dhanu)- Taurus Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, Please consider my situation and guide me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > Anoop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. 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Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 hare ramakrishna , respected chandrasekhar ji . I think we r discussing some thing with imotional attachments and not willing to see the truth. u r willing to accept that astrology originated from sivaji and also many ppl ascribe to different gods or rishi kulas (sapta rishis). even vedas discuss some astrology where as parashara was no where during veda period . Also in parasari the dasavatar is discussed as planetary devatas where as the oldest worshipping god in india by all means siva is not mentioned .(Atleast my information ) then 18 pravarthakas like brahma ,narada is learned from parasara if u go by ur versions. also the astrological tradition in north and bphs was not very common in north also as may be various reason . from varahamihira tovenkitesha daivagna(marathi astrology families ) whose family migrated to varanasi ,after a long gap in astrology . oldest versions of bphs we got from south and also from many collectors in west and still some blv the compendium called available bphs its self is corrupted and incomplete . Also many dasas ,if u go by parasari itself ,not explained in it .where as avilable in many part of india in detail ,example yogini dasa . so if we can forget all this then ur argument is correct . even now long standing families in astro is in south except the claim or truth of pt sanjay raths orissa tradition. Yes kerala also during the hight of budhism ,as asoka and his dughter sangamitra came to kerala and sent budhistmonks all over world tru kerala ports and budhism s contribution to astro was almost meagre Then brahmins ( still in kerala sanskrit and all traditions are vibrant with all communities) learned astro from other communities and they started again more vibrant .But kerala has ppl from all castes as astrologers or u name anythings abt indian sciences and mutualy r gurus to each other .Here No caste system worked out ,even the sanskrit tradition was like that . And when king of travancore ,kerala started a sanskrit college under the chairman ship of his son krishnan nair ( as to re direct his anti british activites -he was funding irish republican army ) the OBC students got first ranks in schools and fianaly krishnan nair has given one of his palace as college in kerala as other college was in a tamil brahmin village known as agraharam and they objected it . so they r using more varahmihira ,aryabhatta and bhaskara traditions and parameshara s drigganita which corrected surya sidhnata and planetary positions. Also i find in jaimini the system of katapayadi which is only popular in kerala .sri vara ruchi was propounder of this system and any body authored any books we can understand its year of writing by katapayadi methods again i am yet to find any book in north in sanskrit using it . In parasari u find jaimini and jaimini some says differrent .Some says jaimini is sisya of parasara -then y he said jaimini sutra instead parasari?? who proceeds who ?? if we argue we can say both ,and jaimini uses the keralas prevalent katapayadi system .So many things we can co relate >and here i am not bringing anything religionalism or what ever .But in a debate every thing will spring up .That is the reason atleast with indians and hindus i avoid it as then they will start things imotionaly .Showing the non maturity and dont know even how to participate in a discussions so so many unanswered questions are there . so we can agree to disagree here and let us close this tread which is no way contributing for the study . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Sunil,> > Beliefs and truth are sometimes at variance. Again many of the Kerala > astro texts give greater importance to Varaha Mihira than other and > earlier texts, as with Prashna Marga. So they are of apparently a later > date. Deva Keralam quotes liberally from many of the pravartakas. This > is but natural.> > I think that since the shastra originated with Lord Shiva as do all > shastras emanate from him, him being the Adya Guru, it is natural that > there would be more than one pravartaka to spread the knowledge in Jambu > Dvipa.> > BPHS is certainly a compendium of all that was attributed to Parashara. > But there were some manuscripts named Parashari that were also > discovered in north of India. So not all editions are based on shlokas > collected from those who remembered them.> > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > sunil nair wrote:> >> > > >> > Hare ramakrishna,> >> > respected chandrasekhar ji .> >> > even i dont think its skanda who wrote the skanda hora ,but that is > > the blv in south among some sects of ppl.> >> > Parasara tho now source commonly available ,but u know there is more > > explained texts still in circulation.Even u know deva kerala has more > > detailed descriptions .> >> > so all this make me blve parasari is a compendium of all astrological > > priciples waht ever avilable to him and got corrupted later to great > > extent .> >> > > >> > because as u said the variation and different apraoch available with > > even available resources make me think logicaly .> >> > also among the 18 paracharak s parasara stands last in the list .if > > one is propounder then why there is mentions abt 18 ones.> >> > > >> > > >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil,> > >> > > It is said that "laxam vyakaranam proktam chaturlaxam tu jyotisham"> > > indicating existence of many jyotish texts. It is difficult to date > > most> > > of the really ancient texts as they were never in the form of texts but> > > shlokas carried in the memory of the shishyas. So antiquity of a> > > manuscript and existence of a grantha through memory are two different> > > matters. That again is why it is difficult to establish the > > antiquity of> > > many Hindu texts.> > >> > > Anyway, it remains a fact that in the north India Sage Parashara is> > > treated as one of the principal source of astrological principles. I> > > have not yet seen Skanda hora and therefore can not comment on its> > > antiquity. However it is certainly not written by Lord Skanda.> > >> > > The dasha interpretation is available in text and manuscript form as> > > Laghu Parashari or Ududaaya Pradeep. Actually there is also one Madhya> > > Parashari. This generated in the interest in searching fro the > > Parashari> > > and that led to finding manuscripts which were named as Brihat > > Parashara> > > Hora Shastra. besides the manuscripts, an attempt was made to collect> > > the shlokas carried in memory by the astrologers of yore and these also> > > find place in some of the editions of BPHS.> > >> > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > > sunil nair wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > hare ramakrishna ,> > > >> > > > respected chandra sekhar ji .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I never said parasaras contributions r nothing.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Again my guru told me the jyothishas first reference shows its rishi> > > > lagadha who we can say first mentiond name but his books or hora is> > > > not available ,but going by ref ,it shows may be bc 8000 or 10000 as> > > > he was mentioned in many literature> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > But literature says 18 pravarthakas ,parasara is one .Even i think> > > > varahamihira says .Kerala books also mentiones so .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > what i said is skanda hora is available oldest test pre dating> > > > parasara tho i dont see it .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > and since i am far away from home my main library is there back home .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > what i was pointing out is lot of literature on various technics r> > > > still scattered in different texts and even parampara ,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I heard some dasa parasara uses only 4 lines to describe ,but if u go> > > > to some part of india ,u can find its safely preserved as a full > > blown> > > > system with some families .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > so from where they got it ,from BPHS or it was codyfied in BPHS> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > thanks u for ur valuable advise> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > >> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar> > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > >> > > > > I think that is not strictly correct. If you read the chapter on> > > > > Ashtakavarga carefully you will understand why I say this. Skanda is> > > > > said to have created Samudrik shastra and only because there is > > a text> > > > > called Skanda Hora (as I think you wrote in one of your posts -"But> > > > > oldest hora available is skanda hora .") does not mean that it > > is the> > > > > original text from which all Pravartakas drew their knowledge. > > Actually> > > > > all shastras originated from Lord Shiva.> > > > >> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > > sunil nair wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > dear lalit ,> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Parasara is not founder of any sistem ,he ammassed what ever> > > > > > available in the name of indian astrology and present it in > > book form> > > > > > .Even he also never said i am starting any new system.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > there r so many rishis and paramparas b4 parasara into astrology> > > > > > .Every grp or geographical areas of old bharath may be very bigger> > > > > > than we can assume today may be contributed for astrology .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > parasara was one of the 18 jyothisha pravarthakas in astrology > > .The> > > > > > contribution from all quarters of society and total > > conscieceness of> > > > > > old indian or hindus is available in BPHS which later may be> > > > corrupted> > > > > > also .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Now i hav one question can any body say by looking at the family> > > > > > horoscope how they r related to each other .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Going by years its possible .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > i am saying i will giv one chart of a father and 4 other > > charts can> > > > > > any body find who is son of this father ?.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > This method was used pre DNA testing period to find whether > > this boy> > > > > > is born to this father ,and mind it his child giving dasas may > > not be> > > > > > indicating as those days may be a king or rich persons has so many> > > > > > wifes or even keeps which was allowed by society .So his child may> > > > > > born any where .Think mahabharath and they hav childrens even > > among> > > > > > forest tribes and other communitties but only prathama patnis > > eldest> > > > > > son is eligible for kingdom or other titles.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > also pls quote relevent sloka from parasari .> > > > > >> > > > > > Jyothish is not linited to major corner stones applicable > > these days> > > > > > of material life ,NOw a days no parents want to know whether > > my kid> > > > > > will become a budha or gandhi ,they r eger to know whther he will> > > > > > become doctor or some one who make money ( and whatever method is> > > > also> > > > > > unimportant ) .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > More in next .> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds sunil nair .> > > > > >> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol" litsol@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I m sorry for this mistake.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t> > > > > > > aavesh_s@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > A small correction:The author of BPHS was Maharishi > > Parashar and> > > > > > > > not Bhrigu.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Maharishi Bhrigu wrote the Brighu Samhita> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > aavesh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > litsol litsol@ wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Anoop,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > No one in astrology is greater than Bhrigu itself , when > > Bhrigu> > > > > > > > himself revealed his knowledge in BPHS, what these > > miniatures will> > > > > > > > have with them in so called parampara.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > See, it's ridiculous that in one's life other than his > > job, change> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > job, ups and downs, travels, love, marriage, failure of > > love or> > > > > > > > marriage, kids , kids life , diseases , property accumulation> > > > etc..> > > > > > > > nothing happens, Vedic Astrology is capable of telling u > > all the> > > > > > > > details about this. what the hell so called parampara or > > so called> > > > > > > > secret knowledge will more tell u, because nothing more is> > > > > > > happening> > > > > > > > in ur life.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Anoop, what more happens in life which needs hidden knowedge> > > > to get> > > > > > > > revealed ? Dont get trapped in such type of astrologers who> > > > > > > advocates> > > > > > > > secrets ... and secrets...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > if somebody knows something exclusive, he should pay his > > debt to> > > > > > > > Bhrigu and other Sages by advancing his knowledge to next> > > > > > > generations.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Do u think an ingrate person can do good in astrology ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sorry, Never !!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Advocating parampara is nothing but a tool to befool either> > > > > > > > financially or emotionally, a tool for self branding.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , anoop singh> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hi Lalit Ji, Kiran Ji> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Lalit Ji, i pray for the good health of your father.> > > > > > > > > Its great to know that Lalit ji is remembering all the > > things> > > > > > > > which i told on telephonic conversation. But Lalit Ji now > > i don,t> > > > > > > > have any affair and i hope that my marriage will be > > arranged one.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kiran Ji,> > > > > > > > > I read your analysis and want to know you something. > > Between> > > > 2000-> > > > > > > > 2003, i was going through Rahu MD and Mercury AD, that > > period was> > > > > > > > very good to me and i was getting distinction in my > > education and> > > > > > > > doing even better that what i deserved. Mercury was giving > > me very> > > > > > > > good results. I don't know whether it was due to its > > placement in> > > > > > > 8th> > > > > > > > house(regarede as good placement for mercury in all astrology> > > > > > > books)> > > > > > > > or its parivartana with moon which gives unusual or unexpected> > > > > > > > results.> > > > > > > > > Even Rahu, Moon period is giving me better results> > > > professionally> > > > > > > > till date besides some minor problems.> > > > > > > > > I think dasa dependency and mere placement of planet doesn,t> > > > > > > > reveal all. Something more is to be find out through the > > composite> > > > > > > > study of chart with the hidden knowledge of astrology that is> > > > > > > > confined with some astrologers coming from the parampara.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > > > > Anoop.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "kiran.rama" wrote:> > > > > > > > > Dear Aveshji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I checked the horoscope of anoop> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > He has dhanus ascendant> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 10H Lord Mercury is in 8th house is not good placement> > > > > > > > > Mercury should give following results in his period:> > > > > > > > > * All efforts go waste> > > > > > > > > * Loss of name and fame - Disgrace> > > > > > > > > * Bad Life abroad - meaning staying in foreign land away> > > > from home> > > > > > > > > yearning to go home but job keeping one in foreign land> > > > > > > > > * Dangers etc> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > To make matters worse, Rahu is in 10H and malefic Ketu is> > > > > > > aspecting> > > > > > > > > 10H by way of graha drishti and these malefics toegether> > > > will give> > > > > > > > > following results in their periods:> > > > > > > > > * Obstruction to profession/job> > > > > > > > > * Servants/Followers forsaking native: Bad time in job> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari started from the > > Moon, native> > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > Rahu MD till 2010 July.> > > > > > > > > Jupiter MD starting after this will be good but Mercury AD> > > > between> > > > > > > > > 2015 Mar and 2017 Jun is likely to bring bad results> > > > signified by> > > > > > > > > Mercury above. Ketu following it is also not good> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am a learner in astrology and so forgive any gaps in my> > > > > > > > understanding> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > Kiran> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I have recieved this request for consultation.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Do you know this person ??.Could you give me a brief > > of his> > > > > > > > > background ??> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Based on your feedback I shall proceed in the matter> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > aavesh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > P.S:Pls give me your private email id (so that I can > > post such> > > > > > > > > messages directly to you) and not trouble the group members> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > anoop singh wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Respected Aavesh Ji> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I came to know you from Lalit working in HCL.> > > > > > > > > > As i am facing some problem i am writing you personally.> > > > > > > > > > I faced lot of problem in my career. And After 3 > > changes in> > > > > > > > > company i have recently joined a company and hope for good> > > > future> > > > > > > > here.> > > > > > > > > > I had to face a failed affair though it was a long and > > deep> > > > > > > > > association.> > > > > > > > > > Now I am concerned about my marriage and marital life.> > > > > > > > > > When will i get married and how would be my wife and > > marital> > > > > > > life?> > > > > > > > > Please guide me.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > DOB: 12- July - 1978.> > > > > > > > > > TOB: 17:14> > > > > > > > > > POB: Gorakhpur(UP)(83 E 22, 26 N 45)> > > > > > > > > > Ascendant: Sagitarius(Dhanu)- Taurus Navamsa.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sir, Please consider my situation and guide me.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > > > > > Anoop.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aavesh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive> > > > > > > online.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 Dear Sunil, Your answers are too long and I shall only touch on those that need comment. I do not understand what you mean when you say "Varanasi was seat of learning ,not the pundits from there ,so any body learned is going there and get recognition from there". Varanasi was not a certificate giving university in ancient times. One had to go there and defeat the pandits there in Vada (discussion on the basis of logic and proof in texts) to get recognition. That was because the Pandits there were regarded as very knowledgeable. If you read about Adi Shankaracharya, you will find that it was after he defeated the Pandits of Varanasi that he was regarded as Jagadguru. So your argument is perhaps not on the right lines. You may not be right in claiming that Jaimini system is practiced exclusively in Kerala, just because BVR mentioned some astrologer living in Kerala practicing it. If I remember BVR said about use of Arudha lagna with reference to the Kerala astrologer, but that appears in BPHS too. I know quite a few astrologers from Andhra that practice on the basis of Jaimini alone. There is no reference of maharashtrian brahmins connected with Varaha Mihira going to Varanasi and jyotish being learnt from them by Varanasi pandits. The argument that astrology retained its vibrancy only in South has no basis in fact. That many different methods of practice of jyotish existed in south is correct. That many of the texts were preserved in the South is also correct. But that does not mean that north did not retain vibrancy in their Jyotish tradition. Take care, Chandrashekhar. sunil nair wrote: Hare ramakrishna. respected chandrasekhar ji . My replies below .I think here we already agreed .Since u r a sanskrit pandit u know the meaning of pravarthaka .And i am no way a real astrology master like lalitji said my guru ( here i am disclosing his name sri muthuswami iyyer has teach me may b max 50 days altogehter and i was stealing time to study as my family has strict objuctions for it tho we r also a parampara in jyothish ) my replies below Dear Sunil, I think you have misunderstood what I said. I did not say that other pravartakas learnt from Parashara. Actually Parashara says in BPHS (one of the editions) that he is telling that which was taught to Narada by Brahma. he also gives credit to Shaunaka and other sages for the knowledge that he is dispensing. sunil nair ---agreed ,this was i was telling .Jyothisha is continous process and its whole society may be conributing .Its like a slow process.God may be helping u but one after other only .I never ever wanted to de grade parashara but i wanted we also shud give respect to all pravarthaka s who r also our gotra pithas as many belongs to various gotras started by them tho may be diffenrnt region or caste .So they r like pitrus for me and so i was giving my respect to all of them tru this arguement . ======== Deities of rigveda are Indra, Agni, Varuna, Rudra, Surya (Aditya) and so on. Let us not bring that here as we are talking about Jyotish. No body says that the Pravartakas predate Vedas. sunil nair--agreed ,But we call jyothish as eye of vedas and lagadha rishis vedanga jyothish deals with muhurtha and time for good activities ,but may me lack of availability of further materials we never know tho his time is almost established bc8000 or even prior =========== I think what is being forgotten is that Varanasi was the most highly regarded seat of learning of hindu shastras for long. To establish one's authority on hindu shastras, one had to defeat the Pandits of Varanasi in discussions based on Tarka and Pramana. Jyotish being one of the main hindu shastras, saying that astrological tradition in north was not common is perhaps far from truth. Sunil nair --varanasi was seat of learning ,not the pundits from there ,so any body learned is going there and get recognition from there ,Even last month one overseas frnd called me and told me he find a different hora from varanasi ,finaly i came to know that its was a kerala book and that is rudra hora of uzhutra warrier .Same way after varahamihira this marathi astrologer families settled near varanasi ,the descendents of venkiteshara daivanga and in between the astro record or books was nothing .And i think this same family produced may be 17 good titles in astrology one after another . ============= By the way, Varaha Mihira was with the King of Ujjain. There are as many as 8 editions of BPHS and the most respected one is edited by Sitaram Jha who was the professor of jyotish with Varanasi university. So claiming that the oldest edition is from south may not be correct. This of course does not mean that no edition was found in South. If you want to establish that parashara belonged to South India I have no problem, but Parashara is certainly said to have lived in north part of India. Whether he belonged to north or south does not take away anything from his contribution to jyotish. Sunil nair --yes ,Varahamihira tradition u only pointed out of kerala and even from books nothing is possible u know unless guiding gurus are not there ,I hav lot of books but its like hard nut to crack and what i was telling was south retained the vibrancy .And various reasons north india missed it .otherwise we would hav to study jyothisha even today from varanasi itself and but unfortunately not very great ppl r not there . In india every part promised for many things .u know remeber bengal traditions in tantra .Its like a wind .it keep on blowing every where .when hinduism in danger a sankara came from south and later a vivekanda and his guru takur sreeram krishna parama hamsa from bengal ,its vibrancy of indian spirituality .And once a sanyasi no body know actualy he is from where if time goes by .Now because of informations are available so we can take a track of it . ====== As to explanation of dashas being necessary to establish superiority of knowledge, I tend to disagree. Parashara makes it clear that he rates the Vimshottari as the prime dasha and then also says that Kalachakra dasha is another important dasha. So what is the necessity for him to explain other dashas in depth? He does that in the chapter on interpretation of dashas, which is also found in Ududaaya Pradeep or Laghu Parashari. Sunil nair ---yes most of this texts deals with vimshottary only and what abt other 108 dasas which was prevalent in india different parts ======== I do not think I have denied existence of families with long tradition of jyotish being in existence in South India. Incidentally, my family also comes from South India and we have our own long unbroken parampara in jyotish, coming through my maternal grandmother's side of family. But that does not mean there were no such families in north of India. I fail to understand what has Kerala pandits allowing other caste people to learn Jyotish, has to do with the topic under discussion. Katapayadi was certainly popularized by Vararuchi, but that does not give an exclusive right over its use to the state of Kerala. To guard the divine science falling in hands of the uncouth, many encryption methods were used by the sages, Katapayaadi being only one of them. sunilnair --What i was telling ,the only book i find used katapayadi is jaimini sutra and no other book in sanskrit esp of north indian origin ,but kerala parampara was using till the 20th century esp when writing sanskrit books . If u read BV RAMAN he was explaing how he find one pundit from kerala doing jaimini and jaimini alone and answering stunning preditions ,where as now jaimini is alsmost half cooked .or mis understood and we r confused to take how may karaka and how to take even arudhas ================ Whether Jaimini predated Parashara, or the other way round, has nothing to do with the contribution of Parashara to Jyotish. sunil nair ---i agreed ,but i was pointing out the mix of jaimini in parasari ================== If we follow the logic of use of a system or language in one state giving it the proprietary right over it, then all Sanskrit texts will have to be only credited to the North and that would be far from truth. When argument of Jaimini belonging to south, only on the basis of his use of Katapayaadi encryption system, is put forward, no body wants to tell how come when most of the texts of south were well preserved, the chapters of Jaimini sutras were not. I do not think we are doing the divine science any service by bringing the north south regional divide in to the discussions that began with Parashara being one of the Pravartakas. Sunil nair ---yes no north or south devide ,but when u pointed abt kerala parampara it sprung up . ..I saw the quotes of skanda hora in kaikulangara hora and only relevent quotes again unfortunately in regional script but sanskrit . Take care, Chandrashekhar. I hope we can stop this arguemnts here and others may be getting frustrated . with respect and regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > I think you have misunderstood what I said. I did not say that other > pravartakas learnt from Parashara. Actually Parashara says in BPHS (one > of the editions) that he is telling that which was taught to Narada by > Brahma. he also gives credit to Shaunaka and other sages for the > knowledge that he is dispensing. > > Deities of rigveda are Indra, Agni, Varuna, Rudra, Surya (Aditya) and so > on. Let us not bring that here as we are talking about Jyotish. > No body says that the Pravartakas predate Vedas. > > I think what is being forgotten is that Varanasi was the most highly > regarded seat of learning of hindu shastras for long. To establish one's > authority on hindu shastras, one had to defeat the Pandits of Varanasi > in discussions based on Tarka and Pramana. Jyotish being one of the main > hindu shastras, saying that astrological tradition in north was not > common is perhaps far from truth. > > By the way, Varaha Mihira was with the King of Ujjain. There are as > many as 8 editions of BPHS and the most respected one is edited by > Sitaram Jha who was the professor of jyotish with Varanasi university. > So claiming that the oldest edition is from south may not be correct. > This of course does not mean that no edition was found in South. If you > want to establish that parashara belonged to South India I have no > problem, but Parashara is certainly said to have lived in north part of > India. Whether he belonged to north or south does not take away > anything from his contribution to jyotish. > > As to explanation of dashas being necessary to establish superiority of > knowledge, I tend to disagree. Parashara makes it clear that he rates > the Vimshottari as the prime dasha and then also says that Kalachakra > dasha is another important dasha. So what is the necessity for him to > explain other dashas in depth? He does that in the chapter on > interpretation of dashas, which is also found in Ududaaya Pradeep or > Laghu Parashari. > > I do not think I have denied existence of families with long tradition > of jyotish being in existence in South India. Incidentally, my family > also comes from South India and we have our own long unbroken parampara > in jyotish, coming through my maternal grandmother's side of family. But > that does not mean there were no such families in north of India. > > I fail to understand what has Kerala pandits allowing other caste people > to learn Jyotish, has to do with the topic under discussion. Katapayadi > was certainly popularized by Vararuchi, but that does not give an > exclusive right over its use to the state of Kerala. To guard the divine > science falling in hands of the uncouth, many encryption methods were > used by the sages, Katapayaadi being only one of them. > > Whether Jaimini predated Parashara, or the other way round, has nothing > to do with the contribution of Parashara to Jyotish. > > If we follow the logic of use of a system or language in one state > giving it the proprietary right over it, then all Sanskrit texts will > have to be only credited to the North and that would be far from truth. > When argument of Jaimini belonging to south, only on the basis of his > use of Katapayaadi encryption system, is put forward, no body wants to > tell how come when most of the texts of south were well preserved, the > chapters of Jaimini sutras were not. > > I do not think we are doing the divine science any service by bringing > the north south regional divide in to the discussions that began with > Parashara being one of the Pravartakas. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna , > > > > respected chandrasekhar ji . > > > > I think we r discussing some thing with imotional attachments and > > not willing to see the truth. > > > > u r willing to accept that astrology originated from sivaji and also > > many ppl ascribe to different gods or rishi kulas (sapta rishis). > > > > even vedas discuss some astrology where as parashara was no where > > during veda period . > > > > Also in parasari the dasavatar is discussed as planetary devatas where > > as the oldest worshipping god in india by all means siva is not > > mentioned .(Atleast my information ) > > > > then 18 pravarthakas like brahma ,narada is learned from parasara if u > > go by ur versions. > > > > also the astrological tradition in north and bphs was not very common > > in north also as may be various reason . > > > > from varahamihira tovenkitesha daivagna(marathi astrology families ) > > whose family migrated to varanasi ,after a long gap in astrology . > > > > oldest versions of bphs we got from south and also from many > > collectors in west and still some blv the compendium called available > > bphs its self is corrupted and incomplete . > > > > Also many dasas ,if u go by parasari itself ,not explained in it > > .where as avilable in many part of india in detail ,example yogini dasa . > > > > so if we can forget all this then ur argument is correct . > > > > even now long standing families in astro is in south except the claim > > or truth of pt sanjay raths orissa tradition. > > > > Yes kerala also during the hight of budhism ,as asoka and his dughter > > sangamitra came to kerala and sent budhistmonks all over world tru > > kerala ports and budhism s contribution to astro was almost meagre > > > > Then brahmins ( still in kerala sanskrit and all traditions are > > vibrant with all communities) learned astro from other communities and > > they started again more vibrant .But kerala has ppl from all castes as > > astrologers or u name anythings abt indian sciences and mutualy r > > gurus to each other .Here No caste system worked out ,even the > > sanskrit tradition was like that . > > > > And when king of travancore ,kerala started a sanskrit college under > > the chairman ship of his son krishnan nair ( as to re direct his anti > > > > british activites -he was funding irish republican army ) the OBC > > students got first ranks in schools and fianaly krishnan nair has > > given one of his palace as college in kerala as other college was in a > > tamil brahmin village known as agraharam and they objected it .. > > > > > > > > so they r using more varahmihira ,aryabhatta and bhaskara traditions > > and parameshara s drigganita which corrected surya sidhnata and > > planetary positions. > > > > > > > > Also i find in jaimini the system of katapayadi which is only popular > > in kerala .sri vara ruchi was propounder of this system and any body > > authored any books we can understand its year of writing by > > katapayadi methods again i am yet to find any book in north in > > sanskrit using it . > > > > > > > > In parasari u find jaimini and jaimini some says differrent ..Some says > > jaimini is sisya of parasara -then y he said jaimini sutra instead > > parasari?? who proceeds who ?? if we argue we can say both ,and > > jaimini uses the keralas prevalent katapayadi system .So many things > > we can co relate >and here i am not bringing anything religionalism > > or what ever .But in a debate every thing will spring up ..That is > > the reason atleast with indians and hindus i avoid it as then they > > will start things imotionaly .Showing the non maturity and dont know > > even how to participate in a discussions > > > > so so many unanswered questions are there . > > > > so we can agree to disagree here and let us close this tread which is > > no way contributing for the study . > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > Beliefs and truth are sometimes at variance. Again many of the Kerala > > > astro texts give greater importance to Varaha Mihira than other and > > > earlier texts, as with Prashna Marga. So they are of apparently a later > > > date. Deva Keralam quotes liberally from many of the pravartakas. This > > > is but natural. > > > > > > I think that since the shastra originated with Lord Shiva as do all > > > shastras emanate from him, him being the Adya Guru, it is natural that > > > there would be more than one pravartaka to spread the knowledge in > > Jambu > > > Dvipa. > > > > > > BPHS is certainly a compendium of all that was attributed to Parashara. > > > But there were some manuscripts named Parashari that were also > > > discovered in north of India. So not all editions are based on shlokas > > > collected from those who remembered them. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > respected chandrasekhar ji . > > > > > > > > even i dont think its skanda who wrote the skanda hora ,but that is > > > > the blv in south among some sects of ppl. > > > > > > > > Parasara tho now source commonly available ,but u know there is more > > > > explained texts still in circulation.Even u know deva kerala has more > > > > detailed descriptions . > > > > > > > > so all this make me blve parasari is a compendium of all astrological > > > > priciples waht ever avilable to him and got corrupted later to great > > > > extent . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because as u said the variation and different apraoch available with > > > > even available resources make me think logicaly . > > > > > > > > also among the 18 paracharak s parasara stands last in the list .if > > > > one is propounder then why there is mentions abt 18 ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > It is said that "laxam vyakaranam proktam chaturlaxam tu jyotisham" > > > > > indicating existence of many jyotish texts. It is difficult to date > > > > most > > > > > of the really ancient texts as they were never in the form of > > texts but > > > > > shlokas carried in the memory of the shishyas. So antiquity of a > > > > > manuscript and existence of a grantha through memory are two > > different > > > > > matters. That again is why it is difficult to establish the > > > > antiquity of > > > > > many Hindu texts. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, it remains a fact that in the north India Sage Parashara is > > > > > treated as one of the principal source of astrological principles. I > > > > > have not yet seen Skanda hora and therefore can not comment on its > > > > > antiquity. However it is certainly not written by Lord Skanda. > > > > > > > > > > The dasha interpretation is available in text and manuscript form as > > > > > Laghu Parashari or Ududaaya Pradeep. Actually there is also one > > Madhya > > > > > Parashari. This generated in the interest in searching fro the > > > > Parashari > > > > > and that led to finding manuscripts which were named as Brihat > > > > Parashara > > > > > Hora Shastra. besides the manuscripts, an attempt was made to > > collect > > > > > the shlokas carried in memory by the astrologers of yore and > > these also > > > > > find place in some of the editions of BPHS. > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna , > > > > > > > > > > > > respected chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said parasaras contributions r nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again my guru told me the jyothishas first reference shows its > > rishi > > > > > > lagadha who we can say first mentiond name but his books or > > hora is > > > > > > not available ,but going by ref ,it shows may be bc 8000 or > > 10000 as > > > > > > he was mentioned in many literature > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But literature says 18 pravarthakas ,parasara is one .Even i think > > > > > > varahamihira says .Kerala books also mentiones so . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what i said is skanda hora is available oldest test pre dating > > > > > > parasara tho i dont see it . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and since i am far away from home my main library is there > > back home . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what i was pointing out is lot of literature on various technics r > > > > > > still scattered in different texts and even parampara , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I heard some dasa parasara uses only 4 lines to describe ,but > > if u go > > > > > > to some part of india ,u can find its safely preserved as a full > > > > blown > > > > > > system with some families . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so from where they got it ,from BPHS or it was codyfied in BPHS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks u for ur valuable advise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that is not strictly correct. If you read the chapter on > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga carefully you will understand why I say this. > > Skanda is > > > > > > > said to have created Samudrik shastra and only because there is > > > > a text > > > > > > > called Skanda Hora (as I think you wrote in one of your > > posts -"But > > > > > > > oldest hora available is skanda hora ..") does not mean that it > > > > is the > > > > > > > original text from which all Pravartakas drew their knowledge. > > > > Actually > > > > > > > all shastras originated from Lord Shiva. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear lalit , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parasara is not founder of any sistem ,he ammassed what ever > > > > > > > > available in the name of indian astrology and present it in > > > > book form > > > > > > > > .Even he also never said i am starting any new system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there r so many rishis and paramparas b4 parasara into > > astrology > > > > > > > > .Every grp or geographical areas of old bharath may be > > very bigger > > > > > > > > than we can assume today may be contributed for astrology . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parasara was one of the 18 jyothisha pravarthakas in > > astrology > > > > .The > > > > > > > > contribution from all quarters of society and total > > > > conscieceness of > > > > > > > > old indian or hindus is available in BPHS which later may be > > > > > > corrupted > > > > > > > > also . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now i hav one question can any body say by looking at the > > family > > > > > > > > horoscope how they r related to each other . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by years its possible . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am saying i will giv one chart of a father and 4 other > > > > charts can > > > > > > > > any body find who is son of this father ?. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This method was used pre DNA testing period to find whether > > > > this boy > > > > > > > > is born to this father ,and mind it his child giving dasas > > may > > > > not be > > > > > > > > indicating as those days may be a king or rich persons has > > so many > > > > > > > > wifes or even keeps which was allowed by society .So his > > child may > > > > > > > > born any where .Think mahabharath and they hav childrens even > > > > among > > > > > > > > forest tribes and other communitties but only prathama patnis > > > > eldest > > > > > > > > son is eligible for kingdom or other titles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also pls quote relevent sloka from parasari . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyothish is not linited to major corner stones applicable > > > > these days > > > > > > > > of material life ,NOw a days no parents want to know whether > > > > my kid > > > > > > > > will become a budha or gandhi ,they r eger to know whther > > he will > > > > > > > > become doctor or some one who make money ( and whatever > > method is > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > unimportant ) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More in next . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol" > > litsol@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m sorry for this mistake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > > > > > > > > > aavesh_s@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A small correction:The author of BPHS was Maharishi > > > > Parashar and > > > > > > > > > > not Bhrigu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Bhrigu wrote the Brighu Samhita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol litsol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anoop, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one in astrology is greater than Bhrigu itself , when > > > > Bhrigu > > > > > > > > > > himself revealed his knowledge in BPHS, what these > > > > miniatures will > > > > > > > > > > have with them in so called parampara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, it's ridiculous that in one's life other than his > > > > job, change > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > job, ups and downs, travels, love, marriage, failure of > > > > love or > > > > > > > > > > marriage, kids , kids life , diseases , property > > accumulation > > > > > > etc.. > > > > > > > > > > nothing happens, Vedic Astrology is capable of telling u > > > > all the > > > > > > > > > > details about this. what the hell so called parampara or > > > > so called > > > > > > > > > > secret knowledge will more tell u, because nothing more is > > > > > > > > > happening > > > > > > > > > > in ur life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anoop, what more happens in life which needs hidden > > knowedge > > > > > > to get > > > > > > > > > > revealed ? Dont get trapped in such type of > > astrologers who > > > > > > > > > advocates > > > > > > > > > > secrets ... and secrets... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if somebody knows something exclusive, he should pay his > > > > debt to > > > > > > > > > > Bhrigu and other Sages by advancing his knowledge to next > > > > > > > > > generations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do u think an ingrate person can do good in astrology ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, Never !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Advocating parampara is nothing but a tool to befool > > either > > > > > > > > > > financially or emotionally, a tool for self branding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing , anoop > > singh > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Lalit Ji, Kiran Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Ji, i pray for the good health of your father. > > > > > > > > > > > Its great to know that Lalit ji is remembering all the > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > which i told on telephonic conversation. But Lalit Ji now > > > > i don,t > > > > > > > > > > have any affair and i hope that my marriage will be > > > > arranged one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > I read your analysis and want to know you something. > > > > Between > > > > > > 2000- > > > > > > > > > > 2003, i was going through Rahu MD and Mercury AD, that > > > > period was > > > > > > > > > > very good to me and i was getting distinction in my > > > > education and > > > > > > > > > > doing even better that what i deserved. Mercury was > > giving > > > > me very > > > > > > > > > > good results. I don't know whether it was due to its > > > > placement in > > > > > > > > > 8th > > > > > > > > > > house(regarede as good placement for mercury in all > > astrology > > > > > > > > > books) > > > > > > > > > > or its parivartana with moon which gives unusual or > > unexpected > > > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > Even Rahu, Moon period is giving me better results > > > > > > professionally > > > > > > > > > > till date besides some minor problems. > > > > > > > > > > > I think dasa dependency and mere placement of planet > > doesn,t > > > > > > > > > > reveal all. Something more is to be find out through the > > > > composite > > > > > > > > > > study of chart with the hidden knowledge of astrology > > that is > > > > > > > > > > confined with some astrologers coming from the parampara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Anoop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "kiran.rama" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aveshji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I checked the horoscope of anoop > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He has dhanus ascendant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10H Lord Mercury is in 8th house is not good placement > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury should give following results in his period: > > > > > > > > > > > * All efforts go waste > > > > > > > > > > > * Loss of name and fame - Disgrace > > > > > > > > > > > * Bad Life abroad - meaning staying in foreign land away > > > > > > from home > > > > > > > > > > > yearning to go home but job keeping one in foreign land > > > > > > > > > > > * Dangers etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To make matters worse, Rahu is in 10H and malefic > > Ketu is > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > 10H by way of graha drishti and these malefics toegether > > > > > > will give > > > > > > > > > > > following results in their periods: > > > > > > > > > > > * Obstruction to profession/job > > > > > > > > > > > * Servants/Followers forsaking native: Bad time in job > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari started from the > > > > Moon, native > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu MD till 2010 July. > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter MD starting after this will be good but > > Mercury AD > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > 2015 Mar and 2017 Jun is likely to bring bad results > > > > > > signified by > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury above. Ketu following it is also not good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a learner in astrology and so forgive any gaps > > in my > > > > > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > > aavesh t > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have recieved this request for consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know this person ??.Could you give me a brief > > > > of his > > > > > > > > > > > background ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on your feedback I shall proceed in the matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S:Pls give me your private email id (so that I can > > > > post such > > > > > > > > > > > messages directly to you) and not trouble the group > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anoop singh wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Aavesh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came to know you from Lalit working in HCL. > > > > > > > > > > > > As i am facing some problem i am writing you > > personally. > > > > > > > > > > > > I faced lot of problem in my career. And After 3 > > > > changes in > > > > > > > > > > > company i have recently joined a company and hope > > for good > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > I had to face a failed affair though it was a long > > and > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > association. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am concerned about my marriage and marital life. > > > > > > > > > > > > When will i get married and how would be my wife and > > > > marital > > > > > > > > > life? > > > > > > > > > > > Please guide me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 12- July - 1978. > > > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 17:14 > > > > > > > > > > > > POB: Gorakhpur(UP)(83 E 22, 26 N 45) > > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant: Sagitarius(Dhanu)- Taurus Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, Please consider my situation and guide me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Anoop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. 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Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Dear Sunil, May be your comprehension of what is seat of learning and mine are different. Unfortunately historical facts can not be wished away. Chandrashekhar. sunil nair wrote: Hare ramakrishna , respected chandrasekharji , thanks u for ur comments Its like delhi is rajadhani (capital) and seat of power and but delhites r not . If any competion held in last 100 years can u check the performance of so called ppl and also atleast last 500 years .or can u name few families who were retaining the title of best one in so and so and only from ( including the traditions ) from varanasi only . I never told varansi is certificate distributing centre ,but any learner from india is going there for varanasi to proov themselves ,not to compete with pandits there as there may be a gathering of pundits from all over india is there . same is the case of music or dance or some other branches in other areas .It does not mean that only ppl from there is qualified and best and we hav to beat them .That is our misunderstanding . THis arguements r going unhealthy i think as too much regionalism is infliterating .But i hav to tell the truth . In india knowledge was for seekers ,some places library of it is there and other places the learned ones ..It is not coming just like genes or automatic filling in their head ..Who realy struggled for it they can get it . I think better from this point i should stop answering this thred as the original arguement is over ..Other wise all my life i will keep on argueing this . with regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > > Your answers are too long and I shall only touch on those that need comment. > > I do not understand what you mean when you say "Varanasi was seat of > learning ,not the pundits from there ,so any body learned is going there > and get recognition from there". Varanasi was not a certificate giving > university in ancient times. One had to go there and defeat the pandits > there in Vada (discussion on the basis of logic and proof in texts) to > get recognition. That was because the Pandits there were regarded as > very knowledgeable. If you read about Adi Shankaracharya, you will find > that it was after he defeated the Pandits of Varanasi that he was > regarded as Jagadguru. So your argument is perhaps not on the right lines. > > You may not be right in claiming that Jaimini system is practiced > exclusively in Kerala, just because BVR mentioned some astrologer living > in Kerala practicing it. If I remember BVR said about use of Arudha > lagna with reference to the Kerala astrologer, but that appears in BPHS > too. I know quite a few astrologers from Andhra that practice on the > basis of Jaimini alone. > > There is no reference of maharashtrian brahmins connected with Varaha > Mihira going to Varanasi and jyotish being learnt from them by Varanasi > pandits. > > The argument that astrology retained its vibrancy only in South has no > basis in fact. That many different methods of practice of jyotish > existed in south is correct. That many of the texts were preserved in > the South is also correct. But that does not mean that north did not > retain vibrancy in their Jyotish tradition. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna. > > > > respected chandrasekhar ji . > > > > My replies below .I think here we already agreed .Since u r a > > sanskrit pandit u know the meaning of pravarthaka .And i am no way a > > real astrology master like lalitji said my guru ( here i am disclosing > > his name sri muthuswami iyyer has teach me may b max 50 days > > altogehter and i was stealing time to study as my family has strict > > objuctions for it tho we r also a parampara in jyothish ) > > > > my replies below > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > I think you have misunderstood what I said. I did not say that other > > pravartakas learnt from Parashara. Actually Parashara says in BPHS > > (one of the editions) that he is telling that which was taught to > > Narada by Brahma. he also gives credit to Shaunaka and other sages for > > the knowledge that he is dispensing. > > > > sunil nair ---agreed ,this was i was telling .Jyothisha is continous > > process and its whole society may be conributing .Its like a slow > > process.God may be helping u but one after other only .I never ever > > wanted to de grade parashara but i wanted we also shud give respect to > > all pravarthaka s who r also our gotra pithas as many belongs to > > various gotras started by them tho may be diffenrnt region or caste > > .So they r like pitrus for me and so i was giving my respect to all of > > them tru this arguement . > > > > ======== > > > > Deities of rigveda are Indra, Agni, Varuna, Rudra, Surya (Aditya) and > > so on. Let us not bring that here as we are talking about Jyotish. > > No body says that the Pravartakas predate Vedas. > > > > sunil nair--agreed ,But we call jyothish as eye of vedas and lagadha > > rishis vedanga jyothish deals with muhurtha and time for good > > activities ,but may me lack of availability of further materials we > > never know tho his time is almost established bc8000 or even prior > > > > =========== > > > > I think what is being forgotten is that Varanasi was the most highly > > regarded seat of learning of hindu shastras for long. To establish > > one's authority on hindu shastras, one had to defeat the Pandits of > > Varanasi in discussions based on Tarka and Pramana. Jyotish being one > > of the main hindu shastras, saying that astrological tradition in > > north was not common is perhaps far from truth. > > > > Sunil nair --varanasi was seat of learning ,not the pundits from there > > ,so any body learned is going there and get recognition from there > > ,Even last month one overseas frnd called me and told me he find a > > different hora from varanasi ,finaly i came to know that its was a > > kerala book and that is rudra hora of uzhutra warrier .Same way after > > varahamihira this marathi astrologer families settled near varanasi > > ,the descendents of venkiteshara daivanga and in between the astro > > record or books was nothing .And i think this same family produced may > > be 17 good titles in astrology one after another . > > > > ============= > > > > > > > > By the way, Varaha Mihira was with the King of Ujjain. There are as > > many as 8 editions of BPHS and the most respected one is edited by > > Sitaram Jha who was the professor of jyotish with Varanasi university. > > So claiming that the oldest edition is from south may not be correct. > > This of course does not mean that no edition was found in South. If > > you want to establish that parashara belonged to South India I have no > > problem, but Parashara is certainly said to have lived in north part > > of India. Whether he belonged to north or south does not take away > > anything from his contribution to jyotish. > > > > Sunil nair --yes ,Varahamihira tradition u only pointed out of kerala > > and even from books nothing is possible u know unless guiding gurus > > are not there ,I hav lot of books but its like hard nut to crack and > > what i was telling was south retained the vibrancy .And various > > reasons north india missed it .otherwise we would hav to study > > jyothisha even today from varanasi itself and but unfortunately not > > very great ppl r not there . > > > > In india every part promised for many things .u know remeber bengal > > traditions in tantra .Its like a wind .it keep on blowing every where > > .when hinduism in danger a sankara came from south and later a > > vivekanda and his guru takur sreeram krishna parama hamsa from bengal > > ,its vibrancy of indian spirituality .And once a sanyasi no body know > > actualy he is from where if time goes by .Now because of informations > > are available so we can take a track of it . > > > > ====== > > > > As to explanation of dashas being necessary to establish superiority > > of knowledge, I tend to disagree. Parashara makes it clear that he > > rates the Vimshottari as the prime dasha and then also says that > > Kalachakra dasha is another important dasha. So what is the necessity > > for him to explain other dashas in depth? He does that in the chapter > > on interpretation of dashas, which is also found in Ududaaya Pradeep > > or Laghu Parashari. > > > > Sunil nair ---yes most of this texts deals with vimshottary only and > > what abt other 108 dasas which was prevalent in india different parts > > > > ======== > > > > I do not think I have denied existence of families with long tradition > > of jyotish being in existence in South India. Incidentally, my family > > also comes from South India and we have our own long unbroken > > parampara in jyotish, coming through my maternal grandmother's side of > > family. But that does not mean there were no such families in north of > > India. > > > > I fail to understand what has Kerala pandits allowing other caste > > people to learn Jyotish, has to do with the topic under discussion. > > Katapayadi was certainly popularized by Vararuchi, but that does not > > give an exclusive right over its use to the state of Kerala. To guard > > the divine science falling in hands of the uncouth, many encryption > > methods were used by the sages, Katapayaadi being only one of them. > > > > sunilnair --What i was telling ,the only book i find used katapayadi > > is jaimini sutra and no other book in sanskrit esp of north indian > > origin ,but kerala parampara was using till the 20th century esp when > > writing sanskrit books . > > > > If u read BV RAMAN he was explaing how he find one pundit from > > kerala doing jaimini and jaimini alone and answering stunning > > preditions ,where as now jaimini is alsmost half cooked .or mis > > understood and we r confused to take how may karaka and how to take > > even arudhas > > > > ================ > > > > Whether Jaimini predated Parashara, or the other way round, has > > nothing to do with the contribution of Parashara to Jyotish. > > > > > > > > sunil nair ---i agreed ,but i was pointing out the mix of jaimini in > > parasari > > > > ================== > > > > If we follow the logic of use of a system or language in one state > > giving it the proprietary right over it, then all Sanskrit texts will > > have to be only credited to the North and that would be far from > > truth. When argument of Jaimini belonging to south, only on the basis > > of his use of Katapayaadi encryption system, is put forward, no body > > wants to tell how come when most of the texts of south were well > > preserved, the chapters of Jaimini sutras were not. > > > > I do not think we are doing the divine science any service by bringing > > the north south regional divide in to the discussions that began with > > Parashara being one of the Pravartakas. > > > > > > > > Sunil nair ---yes no north or south devide ,but when u pointed abt > > kerala parampara it sprung up . > > > > .I saw the quotes of skanda hora in kaikulangara hora and only > > relevent quotes again unfortunately in regional script but sanskrit . > > > > > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > I hope we can stop this arguemnts here and others may be getting > > frustrated . > > > > > > > > with respect and regrds > > > > sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > I think you have misunderstood what I said. I did not say that other > > > pravartakas learnt from Parashara. Actually Parashara says in BPHS (one > > > of the editions) that he is telling that which was taught to Narada by > > > Brahma. he also gives credit to Shaunaka and other sages for the > > > knowledge that he is dispensing. > > > > > > Deities of rigveda are Indra, Agni, Varuna, Rudra, Surya (Aditya) > > and so > > > on. Let us not bring that here as we are talking about Jyotish. > > > No body says that the Pravartakas predate Vedas. > > > > > > I think what is being forgotten is that Varanasi was the most highly > > > regarded seat of learning of hindu shastras for long. To establish > > one's > > > authority on hindu shastras, one had to defeat the Pandits of Varanasi > > > in discussions based on Tarka and Pramana. Jyotish being one of the > > main > > > hindu shastras, saying that astrological tradition in north was not > > > common is perhaps far from truth. > > > > > > By the way, Varaha Mihira was with the King of Ujjain. There are as > > > many as 8 editions of BPHS and the most respected one is edited by > > > Sitaram Jha who was the professor of jyotish with Varanasi university. > > > So claiming that the oldest edition is from south may not be correct. > > > This of course does not mean that no edition was found in South. If you > > > want to establish that parashara belonged to South India I have no > > > problem, but Parashara is certainly said to have lived in north part of > > > India. Whether he belonged to north or south does not take away > > > anything from his contribution to jyotish. > > > > > > As to explanation of dashas being necessary to establish superiority of > > > knowledge, I tend to disagree. Parashara makes it clear that he rates > > > the Vimshottari as the prime dasha and then also says that Kalachakra > > > dasha is another important dasha. So what is the necessity for him to > > > explain other dashas in depth? He does that in the chapter on > > > interpretation of dashas, which is also found in Ududaaya Pradeep or > > > Laghu Parashari. > > > > > > I do not think I have denied existence of families with long tradition > > > of jyotish being in existence in South India. Incidentally, my family > > > also comes from South India and we have our own long unbroken parampara > > > in jyotish, coming through my maternal grandmother's side of family. > > But > > > that does not mean there were no such families in north of India. > > > > > > I fail to understand what has Kerala pandits allowing other caste > > people > > > to learn Jyotish, has to do with the topic under discussion. Katapayadi > > > was certainly popularized by Vararuchi, but that does not give an > > > exclusive right over its use to the state of Kerala. To guard the > > divine > > > science falling in hands of the uncouth, many encryption methods were > > > used by the sages, Katapayaadi being only one of them. > > > > > > Whether Jaimini predated Parashara, or the other way round, has nothing > > > to do with the contribution of Parashara to Jyotish. > > > > > > If we follow the logic of use of a system or language in one state > > > giving it the proprietary right over it, then all Sanskrit texts will > > > have to be only credited to the North and that would be far from truth. > > > When argument of Jaimini belonging to south, only on the basis of his > > > use of Katapayaadi encryption system, is put forward, no body wants to > > > tell how come when most of the texts of south were well preserved, the > > > chapters of Jaimini sutras were not. > > > > > > I do not think we are doing the divine science any service by bringing > > > the north south regional divide in to the discussions that began with > > > Parashara being one of the Pravartakas. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna , > > > > > > > > respected chandrasekhar ji . > > > > > > > > I think we r discussing some thing with imotional attachments and > > > > not willing to see the truth. > > > > > > > > u r willing to accept that astrology originated from sivaji and also > > > > many ppl ascribe to different gods or rishi kulas (sapta rishis). > > > > > > > > even vedas discuss some astrology where as parashara was no where > > > > during veda period . > > > > > > > > Also in parasari the dasavatar is discussed as planetary devatas > > where > > > > as the oldest worshipping god in india by all means siva is not > > > > mentioned .(Atleast my information ) > > > > > > > > then 18 pravarthakas like brahma ,narada is learned from parasara > > if u > > > > go by ur versions. > > > > > > > > also the astrological tradition in north and bphs was not very common > > > > in north also as may be various reason . > > > > > > > > from varahamihira tovenkitesha daivagna(marathi astrology families ) > > > > whose family migrated to varanasi ,after a long gap in astrology . > > > > > > > > oldest versions of bphs we got from south and also from many > > > > collectors in west and still some blv the compendium called available > > > > bphs its self is corrupted and incomplete . > > > > > > > > Also many dasas ,if u go by parasari itself ,not explained in it > > > > .where as avilable in many part of india in detail ,example yogini > > dasa . > > > > > > > > so if we can forget all this then ur argument is correct . > > > > > > > > even now long standing families in astro is in south except the claim > > > > or truth of pt sanjay raths orissa tradition. > > > > > > > > Yes kerala also during the hight of budhism ,as asoka and his dughter > > > > sangamitra came to kerala and sent budhistmonks all over world tru > > > > kerala ports and budhism s contribution to astro was almost meagre > > > > > > > > Then brahmins ( still in kerala sanskrit and all traditions are > > > > vibrant with all communities) learned astro from other communities > > and > > > > they started again more vibrant .But kerala has ppl from all > > castes as > > > > astrologers or u name anythings abt indian sciences and mutualy r > > > > gurus to each other .Here No caste system worked out ,even the > > > > sanskrit tradition was like that . > > > > > > > > And when king of travancore ,kerala started a sanskrit college under > > > > the chairman ship of his son krishnan nair ( as to re direct his anti > > > > > > > > british activites -he was funding irish republican army ) the OBC > > > > students got first ranks in schools and fianaly krishnan nair has > > > > given one of his palace as college in kerala as other college was > > in a > > > > tamil brahmin village known as agraharam and they objected it . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so they r using more varahmihira ,aryabhatta and bhaskara traditions > > > > and parameshara s drigganita which corrected surya sidhnata and > > > > planetary positions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also i find in jaimini the system of katapayadi which is only popular > > > > in kerala .sri vara ruchi was propounder of this system and any body > > > > authored any books we can understand its year of writing by > > > > katapayadi methods again i am yet to find any book in north in > > > > sanskrit using it . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In parasari u find jaimini and jaimini some says differrent .Some > > says > > > > jaimini is sisya of parasara -then y he said jaimini sutra instead > > > > parasari?? who proceeds who ?? if we argue we can say both ,and > > > > jaimini uses the keralas prevalent katapayadi system .So many things > > > > we can co relate >and here i am not bringing anything religionalism > > > > or what ever .But in a debate every thing will spring up .That is > > > > the reason atleast with indians and hindus i avoid it as then they > > > > will start things imotionaly .Showing the non maturity and dont know > > > > even how to participate in a discussions > > > > > > > > so so many unanswered questions are there . > > > > > > > > so we can agree to disagree here and let us close this tread which is > > > > no way contributing for the study . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > Beliefs and truth are sometimes at variance. Again many of the > > Kerala > > > > > astro texts give greater importance to Varaha Mihira than other and > > > > > earlier texts, as with Prashna Marga. So they are of apparently > > a later > > > > > date. Deva Keralam quotes liberally from many of the > > pravartakas. This > > > > > is but natural. > > > > > > > > > > I think that since the shastra originated with Lord Shiva as do all > > > > > shastras emanate from him, him being the Adya Guru, it is > > natural that > > > > > there would be more than one pravartaka to spread the knowledge in > > > > Jambu > > > > > Dvipa. > > > > > > > > > > BPHS is certainly a compendium of all that was attributed to > > Parashara. > > > > > But there were some manuscripts named Parashari that were also > > > > > discovered in north of India. So not all editions are based on > > shlokas > > > > > collected from those who remembered them. > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > respected chandrasekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > even i dont think its skanda who wrote the skanda hora ,but > > that is > > > > > > the blv in south among some sects of ppl. > > > > > > > > > > > > Parasara tho now source commonly available ,but u know there > > is more > > > > > > explained texts still in circulation.Even u know deva kerala > > has more > > > > > > detailed descriptions . > > > > > > > > > > > > so all this make me blve parasari is a compendium of all > > astrological > > > > > > priciples waht ever avilable to him and got corrupted later to > > great > > > > > > extent . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because as u said the variation and different apraoch > > available with > > > > > > even available resources make me think logicaly . > > > > > > > > > > > > also among the 18 paracharak s parasara stands last in the > > list .if > > > > > > one is propounder then why there is mentions abt 18 ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that "laxam vyakaranam proktam chaturlaxam tu > > jyotisham" > > > > > > > indicating existence of many jyotish texts. It is difficult > > to date > > > > > > most > > > > > > > of the really ancient texts as they were never in the form of > > > > texts but > > > > > > > shlokas carried in the memory of the shishyas. So antiquity of a > > > > > > > manuscript and existence of a grantha through memory are two > > > > different > > > > > > > matters. That again is why it is difficult to establish the > > > > > > antiquity of > > > > > > > many Hindu texts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, it remains a fact that in the north India Sage > > Parashara is > > > > > > > treated as one of the principal source of astrological > > principles. I > > > > > > > have not yet seen Skanda hora and therefore can not comment > > on its > > > > > > > antiquity. However it is certainly not written by Lord Skanda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dasha interpretation is available in text and manuscript > > form as > > > > > > > Laghu Parashari or Ududaaya Pradeep. Actually there is also one > > > > Madhya > > > > > > > Parashari. This generated in the interest in searching fro the > > > > > > Parashari > > > > > > > and that led to finding manuscripts which were named as Brihat > > > > > > Parashara > > > > > > > Hora Shastra. besides the manuscripts, an attempt was made to > > > > collect > > > > > > > the shlokas carried in memory by the astrologers of yore and > > > > these also > > > > > > > find place in some of the editions of BPHS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected chandra sekhar ji . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said parasaras contributions r nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again my guru told me the jyothishas first reference shows > > its > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > lagadha who we can say first mentiond name but his books or > > > > hora is > > > > > > > > not available ,but going by ref ,it shows may be bc 8000 or > > > > 10000 as > > > > > > > > he was mentioned in many literature > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But literature says 18 pravarthakas ,parasara is one .Even > > i think > > > > > > > > varahamihira says .Kerala books also mentiones so . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what i said is skanda hora is available oldest test pre dating > > > > > > > > parasara tho i dont see it . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and since i am far away from home my main library is there > > > > back home . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what i was pointing out is lot of literature on various > > technics r > > > > > > > > still scattered in different texts and even parampara , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I heard some dasa parasara uses only 4 lines to describe ,but > > > > if u go > > > > > > > > to some part of india ,u can find its safely preserved as > > a full > > > > > > blown > > > > > > > > system with some families . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so from where they got it ,from BPHS or it was codyfied in > > BPHS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks u for ur valuable advise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that is not strictly correct. If you read the > > chapter on > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga carefully you will understand why I say this. > > > > Skanda is > > > > > > > > > said to have created Samudrik shastra and only because > > there is > > > > > > a text > > > > > > > > > called Skanda Hora (as I think you wrote in one of your > > > > posts -"But > > > > > > > > > oldest hora available is skanda hora .") does not mean > > that it > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > original text from which all Pravartakas drew their > > knowledge. > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > > > all shastras originated from Lord Shiva. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear lalit , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parasara is not founder of any sistem ,he ammassed > > what ever > > > > > > > > > > available in the name of indian astrology and present > > it in > > > > > > book form > > > > > > > > > > .Even he also never said i am starting any new system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there r so many rishis and paramparas b4 parasara into > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > .Every grp or geographical areas of old bharath may be > > > > very bigger > > > > > > > > > > than we can assume today may be contributed for > > astrology . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parasara was one of the 18 jyothisha pravarthakas in > > > > astrology > > > > > > .The > > > > > > > > > > contribution from all quarters of society and total > > > > > > conscieceness of > > > > > > > > > > old indian or hindus is available in BPHS which later > > may be > > > > > > > > corrupted > > > > > > > > > > also . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now i hav one question can any body say by looking at the > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > horoscope how they r related to each other . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by years its possible . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am saying i will giv one chart of a father and 4 other > > > > > > charts can > > > > > > > > > > any body find who is son of this father ?. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This method was used pre DNA testing period to find > > whether > > > > > > this boy > > > > > > > > > > is born to this father ,and mind it his child giving > > dasas > > > > may > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > indicating as those days may be a king or rich persons > > has > > > > so many > > > > > > > > > > wifes or even keeps which was allowed by society .So his > > > > child may > > > > > > > > > > born any where .Think mahabharath and they hav > > childrens even > > > > > > among > > > > > > > > > > forest tribes and other communitties but only prathama > > patnis > > > > > > eldest > > > > > > > > > > son is eligible for kingdom or other titles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also pls quote relevent sloka from parasari . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyothish is not linited to major corner stones applicable > > > > > > these days > > > > > > > > > > of material life ,NOw a days no parents want to know > > whether > > > > > > my kid > > > > > > > > > > will become a budha or gandhi ,they r eger to know whther > > > > he will > > > > > > > > > > become doctor or some one who make money ( and whatever > > > > method is > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > unimportant ) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More in next . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol" > > > > litsol@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m sorry for this mistake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > > aavesh t > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh_s@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A small correction:The author of BPHS was Maharishi > > > > > > Parashar and > > > > > > > > > > > > not Bhrigu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Bhrigu wrote the Brighu Samhita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol litsol@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anoop, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one in astrology is greater than Bhrigu itself > > , when > > > > > > Bhrigu > > > > > > > > > > > > himself revealed his knowledge in BPHS, what these > > > > > > miniatures will > > > > > > > > > > > > have with them in so called parampara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, it's ridiculous that in one's life other than his > > > > > > job, change > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > job, ups and downs, travels, love, marriage, > > failure of > > > > > > love or > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, kids , kids life , diseases , property > > > > accumulation > > > > > > > > etc.. > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing happens, Vedic Astrology is capable of > > telling u > > > > > > all the > > > > > > > > > > > > details about this. what the hell so called > > parampara or > > > > > > so called > > > > > > > > > > > > secret knowledge will more tell u, because nothing > > more is > > > > > > > > > > > happening > > > > > > > > > > > > in ur life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anoop, what more happens in life which needs hidden > > > > knowedge > > > > > > > > to get > > > > > > > > > > > > revealed ? Dont get trapped in such type of > > > > astrologers who > > > > > > > > > > > advocates > > > > > > > > > > > > secrets ... and secrets... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if somebody knows something exclusive, he should > > pay his > > > > > > debt to > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhrigu and other Sages by advancing his knowledge > > to next > > > > > > > > > > > generations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do u think an ingrate person can do good in > > astrology ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, Never !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Advocating parampara is nothing but a tool to befool > > > > either > > > > > > > > > > > > financially or emotionally, a tool for self branding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > > anoop > > > > singh > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Lalit Ji, Kiran Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Ji, i pray for the good health of your father. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its great to know that Lalit ji is remembering > > all the > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > > which i told on telephonic conversation. But Lalit > > Ji now > > > > > > i don,t > > > > > > > > > > > > have any affair and i hope that my marriage will be > > > > > > arranged one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read your analysis and want to know you something. > > > > > > Between > > > > > > > > 2000- > > > > > > > > > > > > 2003, i was going through Rahu MD and Mercury AD, that > > > > > > period was > > > > > > > > > > > > very good to me and i was getting distinction in my > > > > > > education and > > > > > > > > > > > > doing even better that what i deserved. Mercury was > > > > giving > > > > > > me very > > > > > > > > > > > > good results. I don't know whether it was due to its > > > > > > placement in > > > > > > > > > > > 8th > > > > > > > > > > > > house(regarede as good placement for mercury in all > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > books) > > > > > > > > > > > > or its parivartana with moon which gives unusual or > > > > unexpected > > > > > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Rahu, Moon period is giving me better results > > > > > > > > professionally > > > > > > > > > > > > till date besides some minor problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think dasa dependency and mere placement of > > planet > > > > doesn,t > > > > > > > > > > > > reveal all. Something more is to be find out > > through the > > > > > > composite > > > > > > > > > > > > study of chart with the hidden knowledge of astrology > > > > that is > > > > > > > > > > > > confined with some astrologers coming from the > > parampara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anoop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "kiran.rama" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aveshji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I checked the horoscope of anoop > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He has dhanus ascendant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10H Lord Mercury is in 8th house is not good > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury should give following results in his period: > > > > > > > > > > > > > * All efforts go waste > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Loss of name and fame - Disgrace > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Bad Life abroad - meaning staying in foreign > > land away > > > > > > > > from home > > > > > > > > > > > > > yearning to go home but job keeping one in > > foreign land > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Dangers etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To make matters worse, Rahu is in 10H and malefic > > > > Ketu is > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10H by way of graha drishti and these malefics > > toegether > > > > > > > > will give > > > > > > > > > > > > > following results in their periods: > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Obstruction to profession/job > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Servants/Followers forsaking native: Bad time > > in job > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari started from the > > > > > > Moon, native > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu MD till 2010 July. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter MD starting after this will be good but > > > > Mercury AD > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015 Mar and 2017 Jun is likely to bring bad results > > > > > > > > signified by > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury above. Ketu following it is also not good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a learner in astrology and so forgive any gaps > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing , > > > > aavesh t > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have recieved this request for consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know this person ??.Could you give me a > > brief > > > > > > of his > > > > > > > > > > > > > background ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on your feedback I shall proceed in the > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S:Pls give me your private email id (so that > > I can > > > > > > post such > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages directly to you) and not trouble the group > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anoop singh wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Aavesh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came to know you from Lalit working in HCL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As i am facing some problem i am writing you > > > > personally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I faced lot of problem in my career. And After 3 > > > > > > changes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > company i have recently joined a company and hope > > > > for good > > > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had to face a failed affair though it was a > > long > > > > and > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > association. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am concerned about my marriage and > > marital life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When will i get married and how would be my > > wife and > > > > > > marital > > > > > > > > > > > life? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please guide me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 12- July - 1978. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TOB: 17:14 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > POB: Gorakhpur(UP)(83 E 22, 26 N 45) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant: Sagitarius(Dhanu)- Taurus Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, Please consider my situation and guide me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anoop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. 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Guest guest Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Dear Lalit, Thanks for the information on Shri Vigneshan.It is great to know that our group is having such accomplished people in the field of Jyotish and Ayurveda Thanks for your kind words regarding my spiritual nature.This shows that your heart is clean (as only a truly spiritual person can recognise the spirituality of the person who comes in contact with him on the net ) Regards, aavesh litsol <litsol wrote: Dear Sir,One elderly person from chennai Mr. Vighneshan is also with us, He is skilled in Ayurveda and Astrology both.Today only he introduced him to me.He has vast experience of 20+ yrs in said fields.And most important a nice evolved loving spiritual person like u are with us, it's enough.regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > Thanks for the info.> > It is nice to know that we have an Ayurvedic Vaidya on our group > > Regards,> > aavesh> > > > > > > litsol wrote:> Dear Sir,> > That is not a prediction, only a prayer which was answered.> > Dr. Amit is a BAMS doctor, now studying at Tata Research Institute, > Mumbai. I dont know institution's full name.> > > regards,> Lalit.> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > > > Could you pls let me know more about your prediction on Hanumanji > blessing the young girl ??> > > > Is Dr Amit a Ayurvedic physician ??.It would be interesting to > hear more about him > > > > Regards,> > > > aavesh> > > > > > litsol > wrote:> > Sir,> > > > I hope she w'd do what u suggested to her, Lord Hanuman Ji has > > blessed her, she will quickly gain confidence.> > > > Dr. Amit, what ur aurveda suggests in this case.> > > > regards,> > Lalit. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shivani,> > > > > > It is really tragic to know about this young girl.> > > > > > I had a look at her horoscope.The problem is not as simple as > > you are understanding it.> > > > > > My observations :> > > > > > (i)She has Shani Maharaj in the 5th in exaltation.However,Shani > > Maharaj is in Neecha Rasi in Navamsha Kundli> > > > > > (ii)Surya is in Neecha Rasi in both Rasi and Navamsha (In D-9 it > > is aspected by a Necha Shani which is very bad)> > > > > > (iii)The main reason for her problem is the extremely close Yuti > > of Shukra with Ketu.This has completely destroyed her confidence.> > > This is also the reason why her problems have begun in this Ketu > > Dasha> > > (iv)Shani Maharaj is aspecting Moon by it's 10th aspect which > > adds to the fear complex> > > > > > This is the chart of a lady who is born with a weak soul (Neecha > > placement of Surya) which has been compounded by the affliction of > > Shukra (lord of 5th ) leading to this condition.This chart is a > > classic example of how the maleficience of Ketu and Shani can > totally > > destroy what appears to be a very promising chart> > > > > > However,the situation can be remedied.The following are some of > > the remedies in her case:> > > > > > (i) Graha Shanti for Ketu and Shani Maharaj immediately> > > > > > (ii)Perform the `Maha Mrityunjaye Havan' for her immediately> > > > > > (iii)Take her to a good Ayurvedic physician who will examine her > > and suggest a suitable line of treatment (There is a severe Dosha > > imbalance in her body right now which can only be cured by a Good > > Ayurvedic physician)> > > > > > The above remedies along with her medication will bring relief to > > her.However,it would be better to have a very patient attitude > > towards her treatment.> > > > > > Wish you all the best and may the blessings of Lord Shiva help > > this girl through this trying phase> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Aavesh> > > > > > P.S:In case you take the above advice,pls donate Rs 11 to a Shiva > > temple near you .This will avoid the Karmic debt which will accrue > in > > case of Jyotish advice without fees (I do not charge for my review > of > > charts.I do Jyotish as a Sadhana)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sheevani147 wrote:> > > > > > Om Namah Shivaye.> > > > > > Namasteji.> > > > > > Thanks for your concern.. The young lady is stable on > medication.. > > > she needs a positive outcome of some sort in her life, to bring > > back > > > her lost confidence in herself.. getting a good job might just be > > the > > > remedy she needs...> > > > > > warmest regards> > > Sheevani> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol" > > > > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Oh my god, how is she right now ?> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "sheevani147" > > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Om Namah Shivaye..> > > > > > > > > > Namaste ji..> > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your interest and time..> > > > > > > > > > The native is a highly intelligent young lady, very likeable > > and > > > > down > > > > > to earth person... She passed her A level exams on 14 August > > 2002 > > > > and > > > > > secured a placed at Cambridge University.. She graduated with > a > > > > > Masters Degree in Biochemistry on 29th June 2006..> > > > > > > > > > She had many offers to do her Phd, and was doing her Phd, > when > > in > > > > > Jan/feb 2007 (during sade-sati period) she had a nervous > > > breakdown > > > > > due to loss of self confidence. She is on medication, stopped > > her > > > > > studies, now looking for a job.. without much luck despite > > > deligent > > > > > efforts..> > > > > > > > > > Any insights would be most helpful in this young lady's > > > developing > > > > > years..> > > > > > > > > > with respects> > > > > Sheevani> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaskar Sheevani,> > > > > > > > > > > > Please furnish the following details:> > > > > > > > > > > > (i)Sex of the native> > > > > > > > > > > > (ii)Dates of two important events in the life of native > (e.g > > > > date > > > > > of matriculation etc)> > > > > > > > > > > > I shall provide my comments after recieving the above > details> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sheevani147 wrote:> > > > > > Om Namah Shivaye..> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste..> > > > > > > > > > > > While discussing Mithuna lagna, I wonder if you could look > at > > > > this > > > > > > chart too.. here Shanidev (5H)is exhalted conjuct > debilitated > > > > sun, > > > > > > combust lagnesh, budh.. Jupiter in own house, Dhanus(7H) > > > conjuct > > > > > > mars.. Shani aspects Jupiter..> > > > > > > > > > > > Dob 18/10/1984. Place london, time.. 21.25hrs. Lagna > Gemini, > > > Moon > > > > > > nakshatra, pushya 4. Currently running, Ketu MD, Rahu.AD.> > > > > > > > > > > > Would like to know about career and longevity, given shani > is > > > > also > > > > > > lord of 8th house.., mars and venus in m.k.s... ketu/mars > > > period > > > > > has > > > > > > been rather difficult for native with regards to health, > > > emotions > > > > > and > > > > > > career..> > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks> > > > > > Sheevani> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Namaskar Naliniji,Chandrashekarji,RKDa and Prabodhji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aarkayji has made a very significant statement ' Saturn > for > > > > > > Mithuna Lagna is half the horoscope.He is enigma wrapped in > > > > mystery'> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My experience with Mithuna Lagna and Shani Maharaj:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shani Maharaj rules both the 8th (Dusthana) and the 9th > > > (Bhagya > > > > > > Bhava) for Mithuna Lagna natives.I have seen that Shani > > Maharaj > > > > is > > > > > > usually not harmful to Mithuna Lagna natives (unless it is > > > under > > > > > > malefic aspect ).This is because the 9th happens to be it's > > > > > > Moolatrikona Rasi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > However,when under malefic aspect :Shani Maharaj can make > > > life > > > > > > hell for a Mithuna Lagna native particularly during Saade > > Saati > > > > and > > > > > > Asthama Shani.The aspect of Guru can tone down the > > maleficience > > > > of > > > > > > Shani Maharaj to a great extent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mithuna Lagna is not a easy Lagna to be born with as it > has > > a > > > > > > tendency of giving poor health to the native owing to > excess > > > > mental > > > > > > strain and worries (Mulittasking comes naturally to natives > > of > > > > this > > > > > > Lagna provided Lagnesh Budha is strongly placed in Kendra > > > Sthanas)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The chart of Bill Gates is a classic example of a Mithuna > > > Lagna > > > > > > native with strong Lagnesh and well placed Shani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arkaydash wrote:> > > > > > > Nalini, Vekhande saab, Shree Chandrashekhar: > > > > > > > My little experience says that Saturn for Mithuna lagna > is > > > half > > > > > the > > > > > > > horoscope. He is enigma wrapped in mystery.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nalini, you are not alone in this group with such a lord -> - > > a > > > > > lord > > > > > > > which rules bhagya and rules its absence or drain > (fortune-> > > > > drain). > > > > > > > You can never know where yu would be led to trip unless > you > > > > have > > > > > > > internalised important lessons in school of life. Shree > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > is right in wanting to know the overall Saturn proclivity > > in > > > > > (your) > > > > > > > particular chart. So far you have told forum your Sa is > in > > > Aqu > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > Ma and Ve, right? (Don't expect a reading. Even Lalit > could > > > not > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > one. You will be helped along, though) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We know Mithuna-lagnaa and Mesha-lagnaa can't have the > > luxury > > > > > > > of 'dharmakarmadhipa yoga'. I will keep to Mithuna-lagnaa > > vis-> > > a-> > > > > vis > > > > > > Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Their 'smbandha' must be such that they are not conjunct > > > (yuti) > > > > > nor > > > > > > in > > > > > > > swap (vyataya), the latter being strongest of five-fold > > > > > smbandhas. > > > > > > Nor > > > > > > > should they aspect each other. Yet they have to have some > > > > meeting > > > > > > point > > > > > > > to activate the houses 9,10. They must somehow cross-> > > fertilise > > > > > 9,10 > > > > > > > houses. What could be an ideal scenario? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would we have Sa in 10th. Or would we have Saturn > aspecting > > > > 10th > > > > > > hse, > > > > > > > ie Pisces; but from where? Fom Budha's two signs (hse one > > and > > > > hse > > > > > > 4)? > > > > > > > Or from its own sign, Capri. Now the other hand for the > > clap: > > > > Ju. > > > > > > He > > > > > > > can be in any sign of the air triplicity to cover the hse > > > 9th. > > > > > > Where > > > > > > > would he be best placed avoiding the direct gaze of Sa? I > > > will > > > > > try > > > > > > to > > > > > > > build a model of placement in next post. But before that > I > > > > would > > > > > > urge > > > > > > > Group to ponder this point re Sa (and Ju) vis-a-vis > Mithuna > > > > lagna.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > PTP: Sa in itself suffices as 9th lord and 10th lord for > > this > > > > > > lagna; > > > > > > > Ju in itself suffices as 10th lord and 9th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Sudhi' senior members may forgive anything outre in my > > line > > > of > > > > > > enquiry > > > > > > > and point that out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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