Guest guest Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Dear Lalit, A very touching account (to put it mildly) 'Aghora' means NO FEAR.This is the reason why Aghoris do their rituals in graveyards (as that is where all your worldly possesions count for nothing).Seeing death on a daily basis removes the fear of death.When this fear is conquered,that is when one becomes truly spiritual !! Unfortunately Aghoris are the most misunderstood of the sects as they do not bother to explain the philosophy of the 'Pancham Makaras' (The common man thinks all they do is drink and copulate at will) A true Aghori is the one who has done all the four Saadhnas for Lord Shiva (Mahakaal Saadhna being the highest) Regards, aavesh litsol <litsol wrote: Dear Sir,Sometimes, I feel i m also an Aghori, Aghora means "No Ghora" or "Beautiful" why because there is no dirtiness in sadhaka's vision, yes, how it can be, Whose mind is mingled into Shiva, how can have Ghora elements (Dirty/Fearful Thoughts) in mind.This cleaning happens two ways - 1. In the external worldly behavior 2. In the internal thought process. In fact it's a kind of self transformation, our mind is conditioned and we have to liberate it.This sadhaka was following 1st process, I have seen there is no difference in any sect/cult in it's core principles or objectives, those who are unaware sees merit or demarit in sects highlighting their partial vision.He was in the advance level of his way of sadhana, I was studying in my B.Sc IInd year, and was doing gayatri mantra, kundalini beej mantras etc.. but with no seriousness, He came to our colony one night back, there were rumors like he eats cats and dogs and he is a dirty mean person, lookwise he was terrible, a sturdy body with red burning eyes but strange he has a soft heart.we were facing lots of issues, my mother was in front of the house, unwilling to open doors for him, but as i was there in the house, taking bath ... she openned the door.He asked my mother - "Maa, I m hungry, Maathaa Bhaat (rice with liquid curd - I dont know what maatha is called in english) khaunga .."There was no curd in the home, So my maa gave him other things to eat ..He sat on our paasage and produced a Durga Idol from no where and gave to my mother, I thought he is a cunning man, may be trying to snap more money from my maa..I had finished bath and was doing gayatri mantra ... I started putting steps towards him, suddenly he stood.. and said, "Maa tu isaki chinta mat kar, Wo bahut kuchh karega, Ghar bhi banaa lega aur car bhi khareed lega , aur bahut kuchh ..." means "Ma dont worry for him", he will do lot many things in life .."He didn't face me and left my house, i followed him, he started walking fast, said - "dont follow me", I asked him, wherefrom u came, he said - "Sarweshwari", Oh I knew that group, founded by Kina Raam and organised by Aghora Bhagvaan Raam centered in Varanashi.He said - "dont come to this way, goto ur ways", I didn't understand him, now i do understand him, such tantrik sects are not made for me..I asked where I can meet u, he said - "I will come, dont follow me, Maatha bhaat khilana ..."I couldnt look into his eyes, I have good control on my vision, when I met Puttaparti Sai Baba, I looked deeply into his eyes, for some 3 -4 minutes, he also.But this sadhaka didnt allow me to look into his eyes.regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > Sorry that I missed this mail.> > I shall certainly be interested to read your experiences with this Sadhaka> > Regards,> > aavesh> > > litsol wrote:> Dear Sir,> > Can i tell u about my strange meeting with a Aghora Sadhaka, I think > he was the first mysterious person in my life.> > regards,> Lalit.> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > wrote:> >> > Good Morning Aarkayji,> > > > Another brilliant mail from you Sir.> > > > I am in full agreement with what you have said regarding the fact > that Yogananda was fully qualified to write on his experiences > regarding 'Siddhis' (In fact the book was written on the instructions > of Mahavtar Babaji as many are aware)> > > > Aghora is a different matter altogether.It is easily one of the > least understood and much maligned systems today.> > > > It is a real pity that a system which owes it's origins to Lord > Dattatreya and Lord Shiva has been so grossly misunderstood and > misused> > > > Personally speaking I tend to keep an open mind on spiritual > practices (not being judgmental itself is a great virtue on this path)> > > > As they to 'each his own'> > > > Regards,> > > > aavesh> > > > > > > > rk dash wrote:> > Aavesh,> > Excuse me my poesy. The incidental distinction I touched upon was > between esoteric path(s) and non-esoteric ones. Not between dakshina > and vaama. Where would you put the nocturnal court which the > levitating Lahiri Mahasaya held, with fairies hovering above him and > which was espied by his wife, or for that matter the session at the > ghats of Benaras where Yogavatar, Mahavatar and the latter's sister > met nightly? These were all yogis -- rajyogi of the highest order in > modern times. You would agree that that was esoteric. Even kaulachaar > should be requiring the adherent to keep his own counsel. When > Yogananda does that (when he writes the autobiography), he shares his > life experiences to the high end of edification of mankind. And that > is after he has GONE THROUGH it all, much as a tathagata. Which is in > order, not needing any defending. > > > > The Aghora parampara marks out its boundary with 'prapancha' > differently. That should explain the comparison and contrast and > contest (the 'spardha') among certain adherents. Mark my use of the > word 'prapancha'. > > > > You have hardly confuted my account. > > > > I have been using bold letters for words which significantly > qualify what I say, please note, here as also earlier. > > > > RK> > > > On 19/12/2007, aavesh t wrote: > Namaskar AarkayDa and Lalit,> > > > Sorry for intervening in your private discussions.> > > > A couple of points:> > > > (i)The debate whether one should reveal one's Siddhis has been > there since time immemorial > > > > (ii)As Aarkayji has pointed out in his poetic language (which > goes over my head many a time) that the Dakshinmargi school of > thought believes in keeping one's Siddhis to oneself > > > > (iii)Vama Marga has the other approach.Here spiritual aspirants > openly challenge each other and often there are duels to prove one's > Siddhis.The much blamed and criticised Agohoris being part of this > school of thought > > > > (iv)Ultimately,it comes down to the individual and his relation > with his Ishta (Personally speaking though I have always beleieved in > Swami Yukteshwar Giri's approach. He never exhibited his Siddhis > unless directed by a higher power to do so (This is vividly described > by Yogananda in 'Autobiography of a Yogi') > > > > This note is not to take up sides or criticise but just some > observations from an interested observer of life's Maya !!> > > > Regards,> > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rk dash wrote:> > Dear Lalit,> > The proscription on one's spiritual experience is premised on two > well-founded tenets.> > > > One, tongue-wagging doesn't enrich it. It cuts down introversion. > The inward journey peters out. Some exoteric paths seem not to > discourage it. Another matter. But Satsang is another ball game. > Guidence is sought in confidence. Much like public display emotion > (for some) is a no-no. In extreme esoteric paths, it is a game of > dice -- often. There stakes are high. The higher they are, the more > circumspect the seeker must be, or the world would come down on him. > It (the world) can be nice slaughter house. > > > > Two, much of 'That' is ineffable -- anirvachaniya. ('That' is a > vedic favourite as a referent)> > > > RK > > > > On 18/12/2007, litsol > wrote: No Sir,> > > > I was always single and alone, rahu in 11'th makes sure no > > frinds....., i was misunderstood for my straightforward uncanny > > talks , but i had to do such talks, otherwise, this time when it's > > accepted that spirituality is a gone thing, has no application in > > real life, those who are spiritual are outdated antique .. people > and > > particularly narrowminded indian girls and reporters of confused > news > > papers like times of india, I decided to put everything as it is, > > without no mixing.> > > > Still there were threats to taken as egoists or self promoting > person > > coz putting truth, truth being most unusual things and particularly > > when every body has a fixed frame of mind, taken as a egoist is > > obvious. but truth is absolute, some elders asked me not to tell > > spiritual experiences openly otherwise i can loose them, why even > in > > the lap of the moher god one will care loss and gain ? at least in > > spirituality there is no loss.. cant be there.> > > > regards,> > Lalit.> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "rk dash" > > wrote:> > >> > > You could have said 'chhandanuvritte...' not gyanam vandhanam. > Till > > I read> > > your reply today I thought the guy had a very strong line of > > followers> > > (subservient worker bees) who lose no time in singing his > prasasti > > whenever> > > there is a threat to his carefully constructed reputation. That > is > > what I> > > meant. The resaon was to avoid any direct talk about unpleasant > > things and> > > people. 'At the drop of a turban' was my adaptation of the > > phrase 'at the> > > drop of a hat' to what pundits' headgear. > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > On 17/12/2007, litsol > wrote:> > > >> > > > " A formidable line of drone who can spring a most awesome > > ergo noisome> > > > canticle of accomplishments, at the drop of a turban" > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > My english is like my english only ..... what u said is > difficult > > for me> > > > to understand, I dont know what is "canticle", do u > mean "stuti" > > and turban> > > > means "pagari or safa"... then what is drone? something that > > keeps playing> > > > in a instrument wihout attension ... then what meaning it > carries > > altogather> > > > ? > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I dont understand it, but what i can say is, without a fall, > God > > has and> > > > will ensure relevance of spirituality in my life, I see how all > > are dancing > > > > those who are knowledgable and also those who are ignorant.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > !! Gyanam Bandhanam !!> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > If u want to see the God, I mean wish to realize it, It will > > happen, it> > > > will happen, It will happen !!> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Sir, it's very easy and then easy is any task u want to do we > > have to> > > > traverse the maya, and mayapati is always with us... > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regards,> > > >> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes,> > > > aavesh> > > > > > Save all your chat conversations. Find them online. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Om Namah Shivaye, Respected Aavesh ji. Namaste. Kindly pardon my intervention, but I wonder if you couls be so kind as to expand on the various sadhanas of Lord Shiva.. A true Aghori is the one who has done all the four Saadhnas for Lord Shiva (Mahakaal Saadhna being the highest) Krishna-astami of Mrigsira is also the Kaal-astami(Bhairava-astami)..I would appreciate if you could also talk about this too.. Thanking you, Respectfully Sheevani Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > A very touching account (to put it mildly)> > 'Aghora' means NO FEAR.This is the reason why Aghoris> do their rituals in graveyards (as that is where all your worldly possesions count for nothing).Seeing death on a daily basis removes the fear of death.When this fear is conquered,that is when one becomes truly spiritual !!> > Unfortunately Aghoris are the most misunderstood of the sects as they do not bother to explain the philosophy of the 'Pancham Makaras'> (The common man thinks all they do is drink and copulate at will)> > A true Aghori is the one who has done all the four Saadhnas for Lord Shiva (Mahakaal Saadhna being the highest)> > Regards,> aavesh> > > litsol litsol wrote:> Dear Sir,> > Sometimes, I feel i m also an Aghori, Aghora means "No Ghora" > or "Beautiful" why because there is no dirtiness in sadhaka's vision, > yes, how it can be, Whose mind is mingled into Shiva, how can have > Ghora elements (Dirty/Fearful Thoughts) in mind.> > This cleaning happens two ways - 1. In the external worldly behavior > 2. In the internal thought process. In fact it's a kind of self > transformation, our mind is conditioned and we have to liberate it.> > This sadhaka was following 1st process, I have seen there is no > difference in any sect/cult in it's core principles or objectives, > those who are unaware sees merit or demarit in sects highlighting > their partial vision.> > He was in the advance level of his way of sadhana, I was studying in > my B.Sc IInd year, and was doing gayatri mantra, kundalini beej > mantras etc.. but with no seriousness, He came to our colony one > night back, there were rumors like he eats cats and dogs and he is a > dirty mean person, lookwise he was terrible, a sturdy body with red > burning eyes but strange he has a soft heart.> > we were facing lots of issues, my mother was in front of the house, > unwilling to open doors for him, but as i was there in the house, > taking bath ... she openned the door.> > He asked my mother - "Maa, I m hungry, Maathaa Bhaat (rice with > liquid curd - I dont know what maatha is called in english) > khaunga .."> > There was no curd in the home, So my maa gave him other things to > eat ..> > He sat on our paasage and produced a Durga Idol from no where and > gave to my mother, I thought he is a cunning man, may be trying to > snap more money from my maa..> > I had finished bath and was doing gayatri mantra ... I started > putting steps towards him, suddenly he stood.. and said, "Maa tu > isaki chinta mat kar, Wo bahut kuchh karega, Ghar bhi banaa lega aur > car bhi khareed lega , aur bahut kuchh ..." means "Ma dont worry for > him", he will do lot many things in life .."> > He didn't face me and left my house, i followed him, he started > walking fast, said - "dont follow me", I asked him, wherefrom u came, > he said - "Sarweshwari", Oh I knew that group, founded by Kina Raam > and organised by Aghora Bhagvaan Raam centered in Varanashi.> > He said - "dont come to this way, goto ur ways", I didn't understand > him, now i do understand him, such tantrik sects are not made for me..> > I asked where I can meet u, he said - "I will come, dont follow me, > Maatha bhaat khilana ..."> > I couldnt look into his eyes, I have good control on my vision, when > I met Puttaparti Sai Baba, I looked deeply into his eyes, for some 3 -> 4 minutes, he also.> > But this sadhaka didnt allow me to look into his eyes.> > regards,> Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > > > Sorry that I missed this mail.> > > > I shall certainly be interested to read your experiences with > this Sadhaka> > > > Regards,> > > > aavesh> > > > > > litsol > wrote:> > Dear Sir,> > > > Can i tell u about my strange meeting with a Aghora Sadhaka, I > think > > he was the first mysterious person in my life.> > > > regards,> > Lalit.> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > > wrote:> > >> > > Good Morning Aarkayji,> > > > > > Another brilliant mail from you Sir.> > > > > > I am in full agreement with what you have said regarding the fact > > that Yogananda was fully qualified to write on his experiences > > regarding 'Siddhis' (In fact the book was written on the > instructions > > of Mahavtar Babaji as many are aware)> > > > > > Aghora is a different matter altogether.It is easily one of the > > least understood and much maligned systems today.> > > > > > It is a real pity that a system which owes it's origins to Lord > > Dattatreya and Lord Shiva has been so grossly misunderstood and > > misused> > > > > > Personally speaking I tend to keep an open mind on spiritual > > practices (not being judgmental itself is a great virtue on this > path)> > > > > > As they to 'each his own'> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > aavesh> > > > > > > > > > > > rk dash wrote:> > > Aavesh,> > > Excuse me my poesy. The incidental distinction I touched upon was > > between esoteric path(s) and non-esoteric ones. Not between > dakshina > > and vaama. Where would you put the nocturnal court which the > > levitating Lahiri Mahasaya held, with fairies hovering above him > and > > which was espied by his wife, or for that matter the session at the > > ghats of Benaras where Yogavatar, Mahavatar and the latter's sister > > met nightly? These were all yogis -- rajyogi of the highest order > in > > modern times. You would agree that that was esoteric. Even > kaulachaar > > should be requiring the adherent to keep his own counsel. When > > Yogananda does that (when he writes the autobiography), he shares > his > > life experiences to the high end of edification of mankind. And > that > > is after he has GONE THROUGH it all, much as a tathagata. Which is > in > > order, not needing any defending. > > > > > > The Aghora parampara marks out its boundary with 'prapancha' > > differently. That should explain the comparison and contrast and > > contest (the 'spardha') among certain adherents. Mark my use of the > > word 'prapancha'. > > > > > > You have hardly confuted my account. > > > > > > I have been using bold letters for words which significantly > > qualify what I say, please note, here as also earlier. > > > > > > RK> > > > > > On 19/12/2007, aavesh t wrote: > > Namaskar AarkayDa and Lalit,> > > > > > Sorry for intervening in your private discussions.> > > > > > A couple of points:> > > > > > (i)The debate whether one should reveal one's Siddhis has been > > there since time immemorial > > > > > > (ii)As Aarkayji has pointed out in his poetic language (which > > goes over my head many a time) that the Dakshinmargi school of > > thought believes in keeping one's Siddhis to oneself > > > > > > (iii)Vama Marga has the other approach.Here spiritual aspirants > > openly challenge each other and often there are duels to prove > one's > > Siddhis.The much blamed and criticised Agohoris being part of this > > school of thought > > > > > > (iv)Ultimately,it comes down to the individual and his relation > > with his Ishta (Personally speaking though I have always beleieved > in > > Swami Yukteshwar Giri's approach. He never exhibited his Siddhis > > unless directed by a higher power to do so (This is vividly > described > > by Yogananda in 'Autobiography of a Yogi') > > > > > > This note is not to take up sides or criticise but just some > > observations from an interested observer of life's Maya !!> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rk dash wrote:> > > Dear Lalit,> > > The proscription on one's spiritual experience is premised on two > > well-founded tenets.> > > > > > One, tongue-wagging doesn't enrich it. It cuts down introversion. > > The inward journey peters out. Some exoteric paths seem not to > > discourage it. Another matter. But Satsang is another ball game. > > Guidence is sought in confidence. Much like public display emotion > > (for some) is a no-no. In extreme esoteric paths, it is a game of > > dice -- often. There stakes are high. The higher they are, the more > > circumspect the seeker must be, or the world would come down on > him. > > It (the world) can be nice slaughter house. > > > > > > Two, much of 'That' is ineffable -- anirvachaniya. ('That' is a > > vedic favourite as a referent)> > > > > > RK > > > > > > On 18/12/2007, litsol > > wrote: No Sir,> > > > > > I was always single and alone, rahu in 11'th makes sure no > > > frinds....., i was misunderstood for my straightforward uncanny > > > talks , but i had to do such talks, otherwise, this time when > it's > > > accepted that spirituality is a gone thing, has no application in > > > real life, those who are spiritual are outdated antique .. people > > and > > > particularly narrowminded indian girls and reporters of confused > > news > > > papers like times of india, I decided to put everything as it is, > > > without no mixing.> > > > > > Still there were threats to taken as egoists or self promoting > > person > > > coz putting truth, truth being most unusual things and > particularly > > > when every body has a fixed frame of mind, taken as a egoist is > > > obvious. but truth is absolute, some elders asked me not to tell > > > spiritual experiences openly otherwise i can loose them, why even > > in > > > the lap of the moher god one will care loss and gain ? at least > in > > > spirituality there is no loss.. cant be there.> > > > > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "rk dash" > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > You could have said 'chhandanuvritte...' not gyanam vandhanam. > > Till > > > I read> > > > your reply today I thought the guy had a very strong line of > > > followers> > > > (subservient worker bees) who lose no time in singing his > > prasasti > > > whenever> > > > there is a threat to his carefully constructed reputation. That > > is > > > what I> > > > meant. The resaon was to avoid any direct talk about unpleasant > > > things and> > > > people. 'At the drop of a turban' was my adaptation of the > > > phrase 'at the> > > > drop of a hat' to what pundits' headgear. > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > > > On 17/12/2007, litsol > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > " A formidable line of drone who can spring a most awesome > > > ergo noisome> > > > > canticle of accomplishments, at the drop of a turban" > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > My english is like my english only ..... what u said is > > difficult > > > for me> > > > > to understand, I dont know what is "canticle", do u > > mean "stuti" > > > and turban> > > > > means "pagari or safa"... then what is drone? something that > > > keeps playing> > > > > in a instrument wihout attension ... then what meaning it > > carries > > > altogather> > > > > ? > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I dont understand it, but what i can say is, without a fall, > > God > > > has and> > > > > will ensure relevance of spirituality in my life, I see how > all > > > are dancing > > > > > those who are knowledgable and also those who are ignorant.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > !! Gyanam Bandhanam !!> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > If u want to see the God, I mean wish to realize it, It will > > > happen, it> > > > > will happen, It will happen !!> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Sir, it's very easy and then easy is any task u want to do we > > > have to> > > > > traverse the maya, and mayapati is always with us... > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > >> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes,> > > > > > aavesh> > > > > > > > > Save all your chat conversations. Find them online. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. 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Guest guest Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Aavesh Ji, I seek ur guidance, pls. tell me though i achieved the highest stage of spirituality in duality and that is the God's vision, discovered my direct relation with God and God listens to me , I feel it's love... Still what i miss ? I miss something ... what is left to know ? regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote: > > Dear Sheevani, > > Nice to get your mail. > > I will write about these Sadhanas over the next few days > > Regards, > > aavesh > > > sheevani147 <sheevani147 wrote: > Om Namah Shivaye, > Respected Aavesh ji. > Namaste. > Kindly pardon my intervention, but I wonder if you couls be so kind as to expand on the various sadhanas of Lord Shiva.. > A true Aghori is the one who has done all the four Saadhnas for Lord Shiva (Mahakaal Saadhna being the highest) > > Krishna-astami of Mrigsira is also the Kaal-astami(Bhairava- astami)..I would appreciate if you could also talk about this too.. > Thanking you, > Respectfully > Sheevani > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t <aavesh_s@> wrote: > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > A very touching account (to put it mildly) > > > > 'Aghora' means NO FEAR.This is the reason why Aghoris > > do their rituals in graveyards (as that is where all your worldly possesions count for nothing).Seeing death on a daily basis removes the fear of death.When this fear is conquered,that is when one becomes truly spiritual !! > > > > Unfortunately Aghoris are the most misunderstood of the sects as they do not bother to explain the philosophy of the 'Pancham Makaras' > > (The common man thinks all they do is drink and copulate at will) > > > > A true Aghori is the one who has done all the four Saadhnas for Lord Shiva (Mahakaal Saadhna being the highest) > > > > Regards, > > aavesh > > > > > > litsol litsol@ wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > > > Sometimes, I feel i m also an Aghori, Aghora means " No Ghora " > > or " Beautiful " why because there is no dirtiness in sadhaka's vision, > > yes, how it can be, Whose mind is mingled into Shiva, how can have > > Ghora elements (Dirty/Fearful Thoughts) in mind. > > > > This cleaning happens two ways - 1. In the external worldly behavior > > 2. In the internal thought process. In fact it's a kind of self > > transformation, our mind is conditioned and we have to liberate it. > > > > This sadhaka was following 1st process, I have seen there is no > > difference in any sect/cult in it's core principles or objectives, > > those who are unaware sees merit or demarit in sects highlighting > > their partial vision. > > > > He was in the advance level of his way of sadhana, I was studying in > > my B.Sc IInd year, and was doing gayatri mantra, kundalini beej > > mantras etc.. but with no seriousness, He came to our colony one > > night back, there were rumors like he eats cats and dogs and he is a > > dirty mean person, lookwise he was terrible, a sturdy body with red > > burning eyes but strange he has a soft heart. > > > > we were facing lots of issues, my mother was in front of the house, > > unwilling to open doors for him, but as i was there in the house, > > taking bath ... she openned the door. > > > > He asked my mother - " Maa, I m hungry, Maathaa Bhaat (rice with > > liquid curd - I dont know what maatha is called in english) > > khaunga .. " > > > > There was no curd in the home, So my maa gave him other things to > > eat .. > > > > He sat on our paasage and produced a Durga Idol from no where and > > gave to my mother, I thought he is a cunning man, may be trying to > > snap more money from my maa.. > > > > I had finished bath and was doing gayatri mantra ... I started > > putting steps towards him, suddenly he stood.. and said, " Maa tu > > isaki chinta mat kar, Wo bahut kuchh karega, Ghar bhi banaa lega aur > > car bhi khareed lega , aur bahut kuchh ... " means " Ma dont worry for > > him " , he will do lot many things in life .. " > > > > He didn't face me and left my house, i followed him, he started > > walking fast, said - " dont follow me " , I asked him, wherefrom u came, > > he said - " Sarweshwari " , Oh I knew that group, founded by Kina Raam > > and organised by Aghora Bhagvaan Raam centered in Varanashi. > > > > He said - " dont come to this way, goto ur ways " , I didn't understand > > him, now i do understand him, such tantrik sects are not made for me.. > > > > I asked where I can meet u, he said - " I will come, dont follow me, > > Maatha bhaat khilana ... " > > > > I couldnt look into his eyes, I have good control on my vision, when > > I met Puttaparti Sai Baba, I looked deeply into his eyes, for some 3 - > > 4 minutes, he also. > > > > But this sadhaka didnt allow me to look into his eyes. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > Sorry that I missed this mail. > > > > > > I shall certainly be interested to read your experiences with > > this Sadhaka > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > litsol > > wrote: > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > Can i tell u about my strange meeting with a Aghora Sadhaka, I > > think > > > he was the first mysterious person in my life. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Good Morning Aarkayji, > > > > > > > > Another brilliant mail from you Sir. > > > > > > > > I am in full agreement with what you have said regarding the fact > > > that Yogananda was fully qualified to write on his experiences > > > regarding 'Siddhis' (In fact the book was written on the > > instructions > > > of Mahavtar Babaji as many are aware) > > > > > > > > Aghora is a different matter altogether.It is easily one of the > > > least understood and much maligned systems today. > > > > > > > > It is a real pity that a system which owes it's origins to Lord > > > Dattatreya and Lord Shiva has been so grossly misunderstood and > > > misused > > > > > > > > Personally speaking I tend to keep an open mind on spiritual > > > practices (not being judgmental itself is a great virtue on this > > path) > > > > > > > > As they to 'each his own' > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rk dash wrote: > > > > Aavesh, > > > > Excuse me my poesy. The incidental distinction I touched upon was > > > between esoteric path(s) and non-esoteric ones. Not between > > dakshina > > > and vaama. Where would you put the nocturnal court which the > > > levitating Lahiri Mahasaya held, with fairies hovering above him > > and > > > which was espied by his wife, or for that matter the session at the > > > ghats of Benaras where Yogavatar, Mahavatar and the latter's sister > > > met nightly? These were all yogis -- rajyogi of the highest order > > in > > > modern times. You would agree that that was esoteric. Even > > kaulachaar > > > should be requiring the adherent to keep his own counsel. When > > > Yogananda does that (when he writes the autobiography), he shares > > his > > > life experiences to the high end of edification of mankind. And > > that > > > is after he has GONE THROUGH it all, much as a tathagata. Which is > > in > > > order, not needing any defending. > > > > > > > > The Aghora parampara marks out its boundary with 'prapancha' > > > differently. That should explain the comparison and contrast and > > > contest (the 'spardha') among certain adherents. Mark my use of the > > > word 'prapancha'. > > > > > > > > You have hardly confuted my account. > > > > > > > > I have been using bold letters for words which significantly > > > qualify what I say, please note, here as also earlier. > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > On 19/12/2007, aavesh t wrote: > > > Namaskar AarkayDa and Lalit, > > > > > > > > Sorry for intervening in your private discussions. > > > > > > > > A couple of points: > > > > > > > > (i)The debate whether one should reveal one's Siddhis has been > > > there since time immemorial > > > > > > > > (ii)As Aarkayji has pointed out in his poetic language (which > > > goes over my head many a time) that the Dakshinmargi school of > > > thought believes in keeping one's Siddhis to oneself > > > > > > > > (iii)Vama Marga has the other approach.Here spiritual aspirants > > > openly challenge each other and often there are duels to prove > > one's > > > Siddhis.The much blamed and criticised Agohoris being part of this > > > school of thought > > > > > > > > (iv)Ultimately,it comes down to the individual and his relation > > > with his Ishta (Personally speaking though I have always beleieved > > in > > > Swami Yukteshwar Giri's approach. He never exhibited his Siddhis > > > unless directed by a higher power to do so (This is vividly > > described > > > by Yogananda in 'Autobiography of a Yogi') > > > > > > > > This note is not to take up sides or criticise but just some > > > observations from an interested observer of life's Maya !! > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rk dash wrote: > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > The proscription on one's spiritual experience is premised on two > > > well-founded tenets. > > > > > > > > One, tongue-wagging doesn't enrich it. It cuts down introversion. > > > The inward journey peters out. Some exoteric paths seem not to > > > discourage it. Another matter. But Satsang is another ball game. > > > Guidence is sought in confidence. Much like public display emotion > > > (for some) is a no-no. In extreme esoteric paths, it is a game of > > > dice -- often. There stakes are high. The higher they are, the more > > > circumspect the seeker must be, or the world would come down on > > him. > > > It (the world) can be nice slaughter house. > > > > > > > > Two, much of 'That' is ineffable -- anirvachaniya. ('That' is a > > > vedic favourite as a referent) > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > On 18/12/2007, litsol > > > wrote: No Sir, > > > > > > > > I was always single and alone, rahu in 11'th makes sure no > > > > frinds....., i was misunderstood for my straightforward uncanny > > > > talks , but i had to do such talks, otherwise, this time when > > it's > > > > accepted that spirituality is a gone thing, has no application in > > > > real life, those who are spiritual are outdated antique .. people > > > and > > > > particularly narrowminded indian girls and reporters of confused > > > news > > > > papers like times of india, I decided to put everything as it is, > > > > without no mixing. > > > > > > > > Still there were threats to taken as egoists or self promoting > > > person > > > > coz putting truth, truth being most unusual things and > > particularly > > > > when every body has a fixed frame of mind, taken as a egoist is > > > > obvious. but truth is absolute, some elders asked me not to tell > > > > spiritual experiences openly otherwise i can loose them, why even > > > in > > > > the lap of the moher god one will care loss and gain ? at least > > in > > > > spirituality there is no loss.. cant be there. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " rk dash " > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You could have said 'chhandanuvritte...' not gyanam vandhanam. > > > Till > > > > I read > > > > > your reply today I thought the guy had a very strong line of > > > > followers > > > > > (subservient worker bees) who lose no time in singing his > > > prasasti > > > > whenever > > > > > there is a threat to his carefully constructed reputation. That > > > is > > > > what I > > > > > meant. The resaon was to avoid any direct talk about unpleasant > > > > things and > > > > > people. 'At the drop of a turban' was my adaptation of the > > > > phrase 'at the > > > > > drop of a hat' to what pundits' headgear. > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17/12/2007, litsol > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " A formidable line of drone who can spring a most awesome > > > > ergo noisome > > > > > > canticle of accomplishments, at the drop of a turban " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My english is like my english only ..... what u said is > > > difficult > > > > for me > > > > > > to understand, I dont know what is " canticle " , do u > > > mean " stuti " > > > > and turban > > > > > > means " pagari or safa " ... then what is drone? something that > > > > keeps playing > > > > > > in a instrument wihout attension ... then what meaning it > > > carries > > > > altogather > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont understand it, but what i can say is, without a fall, > > > God > > > > has and > > > > > > will ensure relevance of spirituality in my life, I see how > > all > > > > are dancing > > > > > > those who are knowledgable and also those who are ignorant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > !! Gyanam Bandhanam !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If u want to see the God, I mean wish to realize it, It will > > > > happen, it > > > > > > will happen, It will happen !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, it's very easy and then easy is any task u want to do we > > > > have to > > > > > > traverse the maya, and mayapati is always with us... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > Save all your chat conversations. 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