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Dear Sheevani, Nice to get your mail. I will write about these Sadhanas over the next few days Regards, aavesh sheevani147 <sheevani147 wrote: Om Namah Shivaye, Respected Aavesh ji. Namaste. Kindly pardon my intervention, but I wonder if you couls be so kind as to expand on the various sadhanas of Lord Shiva.. A true Aghori is the one who has done all the four Saadhnas for Lord Shiva (Mahakaal Saadhna being the highest) Krishna-astami of Mrigsira is also the Kaal-astami(Bhairava-astami)..I would appreciate if you could also talk about this too.. Thanking you, Respectfully Sheevani Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > A very touching account (to put it mildly)> > 'Aghora' means NO FEAR.This is the reason why Aghoris> do their rituals in graveyards (as that is where all your worldly possesions count for nothing).Seeing death on a daily basis removes the fear of death.When this fear is conquered,that is when one becomes truly spiritual !!> > Unfortunately Aghoris are the most misunderstood of the sects as they do not bother to explain the philosophy of the 'Pancham Makaras'> (The common man thinks all they do is drink and copulate at will)> > A true Aghori is the one who has done all the four Saadhnas for Lord Shiva (Mahakaal Saadhna being the

highest)> > Regards,> aavesh> > > litsol litsol wrote:> Dear Sir,> > Sometimes, I feel i m also an Aghori, Aghora means "No Ghora" > or "Beautiful" why because there is no dirtiness in sadhaka's vision, > yes, how it can be, Whose mind is mingled into Shiva, how can have > Ghora elements (Dirty/Fearful Thoughts) in mind.> > This cleaning happens two ways - 1. In the external worldly behavior > 2. In the internal thought process. In fact it's a kind of self > transformation, our mind is conditioned and we have to liberate it.> > This sadhaka was following 1st process, I have seen there is no > difference in any sect/cult in it's core principles or objectives, > those who are unaware sees merit or demarit in sects highlighting > their partial vision.> > He was in the advance level of his way of sadhana, I was

studying in > my B.Sc IInd year, and was doing gayatri mantra, kundalini beej > mantras etc.. but with no seriousness, He came to our colony one > night back, there were rumors like he eats cats and dogs and he is a > dirty mean person, lookwise he was terrible, a sturdy body with red > burning eyes but strange he has a soft heart.> > we were facing lots of issues, my mother was in front of the house, > unwilling to open doors for him, but as i was there in the house, > taking bath ... she openned the door.> > He asked my mother - "Maa, I m hungry, Maathaa Bhaat (rice with > liquid curd - I dont know what maatha is called in english) > khaunga .."> > There was no curd in the home, So my maa gave him other things to > eat ..> > He sat on our paasage and produced a Durga Idol from no where and > gave to my mother, I thought he is a cunning man,

may be trying to > snap more money from my maa..> > I had finished bath and was doing gayatri mantra ... I started > putting steps towards him, suddenly he stood.. and said, "Maa tu > isaki chinta mat kar, Wo bahut kuchh karega, Ghar bhi banaa lega aur > car bhi khareed lega , aur bahut kuchh ..." means "Ma dont worry for > him", he will do lot many things in life .."> > He didn't face me and left my house, i followed him, he started > walking fast, said - "dont follow me", I asked him, wherefrom u came, > he said - "Sarweshwari", Oh I knew that group, founded by Kina Raam > and organised by Aghora Bhagvaan Raam centered in Varanashi.> > He said - "dont come to this way, goto ur ways", I didn't understand > him, now i do understand him, such tantrik sects are not made for me..> > I asked where I can meet u, he said - "I will come, dont follow me, >

Maatha bhaat khilana ..."> > I couldnt look into his eyes, I have good control on my vision, when > I met Puttaparti Sai Baba, I looked deeply into his eyes, for some 3 -> 4 minutes, he also.> > But this sadhaka didnt allow me to look into his eyes.> > regards,> Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > > > Sorry that I missed this mail.> > > > I shall certainly be interested to read your experiences with > this Sadhaka> > > > Regards,> > > > aavesh> > > > > > litsol > wrote:> > Dear Sir,> > > > Can i tell u about my strange meeting with a Aghora

Sadhaka, I > think > > he was the first mysterious person in my life.> > > > regards,> > Lalit.> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > > wrote:> > >> > > Good Morning Aarkayji,> > > > > > Another brilliant mail from you Sir.> > > > > > I am in full agreement with what you have said regarding the fact > > that Yogananda was fully qualified to write on his experiences > > regarding 'Siddhis' (In fact the book was written on the > instructions > > of Mahavtar Babaji as many are aware)> > > > > > Aghora is a different matter altogether.It is easily one of the > > least understood and much maligned systems today.> > > > > > It is a real pity that a system which owes it's origins to Lord > >

Dattatreya and Lord Shiva has been so grossly misunderstood and > > misused> > > > > > Personally speaking I tend to keep an open mind on spiritual > > practices (not being judgmental itself is a great virtue on this > path)> > > > > > As they to 'each his own'> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > aavesh> > > > > > > > > > > > rk dash wrote:> > > Aavesh,> > > Excuse me my poesy. The incidental distinction I touched upon was > > between esoteric path(s) and non-esoteric ones. Not between > dakshina > > and vaama. Where would you put the nocturnal court which the > > levitating Lahiri Mahasaya held, with fairies hovering above him > and > > which was espied by his wife, or for that matter the session at the > >

ghats of Benaras where Yogavatar, Mahavatar and the latter's sister > > met nightly? These were all yogis -- rajyogi of the highest order > in > > modern times. You would agree that that was esoteric. Even > kaulachaar > > should be requiring the adherent to keep his own counsel. When > > Yogananda does that (when he writes the autobiography), he shares > his > > life experiences to the high end of edification of mankind. And > that > > is after he has GONE THROUGH it all, much as a tathagata. Which is > in > > order, not needing any defending. > > > > > > The Aghora parampara marks out its boundary with 'prapancha' > > differently. That should explain the comparison and contrast and > > contest (the 'spardha') among certain adherents. Mark my use of the > > word 'prapancha'. > > > > > >

You have hardly confuted my account. > > > > > > I have been using bold letters for words which significantly > > qualify what I say, please note, here as also earlier. > > > > > > RK> > > > > > On 19/12/2007, aavesh t wrote: > > Namaskar AarkayDa and Lalit,> > > > > > Sorry for intervening in your private discussions.> > > > > > A couple of points:> > > > > > (i)The debate whether one should reveal one's Siddhis has been > > there since time immemorial > > > > > > (ii)As Aarkayji has pointed out in his poetic language (which > > goes over my head many a time) that the Dakshinmargi school of > > thought believes in keeping one's Siddhis to oneself > > > > > > (iii)Vama Marga has the other approach.Here spiritual

aspirants > > openly challenge each other and often there are duels to prove > one's > > Siddhis.The much blamed and criticised Agohoris being part of this > > school of thought > > > > > > (iv)Ultimately,it comes down to the individual and his relation > > with his Ishta (Personally speaking though I have always beleieved > in > > Swami Yukteshwar Giri's approach. He never exhibited his Siddhis > > unless directed by a higher power to do so (This is vividly > described > > by Yogananda in 'Autobiography of a Yogi') > > > > > > This note is not to take up sides or criticise but just some > > observations from an interested observer of life's Maya !!> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rk dash wrote:> > > Dear Lalit,> > > The proscription on one's spiritual experience is premised on two > > well-founded tenets.> > > > > > One, tongue-wagging doesn't enrich it. It cuts down introversion. > > The inward journey peters out. Some exoteric paths seem not to > > discourage it. Another matter. But Satsang is another ball game. > > Guidence is sought in confidence. Much like public display emotion > > (for some) is a no-no. In extreme esoteric paths, it is a game of > > dice -- often. There stakes are high. The higher they are, the more > > circumspect the seeker must be, or the world would come down on > him. > > It (the world) can be nice slaughter house. > > > > > > Two, much of 'That' is ineffable -- anirvachaniya. ('That' is a > > vedic

favourite as a referent)> > > > > > RK > > > > > > On 18/12/2007, litsol > > wrote: No Sir,> > > > > > I was always single and alone, rahu in 11'th makes sure no > > > frinds....., i was misunderstood for my straightforward uncanny > > > talks , but i had to do such talks, otherwise, this time when > it's > > > accepted that spirituality is a gone thing, has no application in > > > real life, those who are spiritual are outdated antique .. people > > and > > > particularly narrowminded indian girls and reporters of confused > > news > > > papers like times of india, I decided to put everything as it is, > > > without no mixing.> > > > > > Still there were threats to taken as egoists or self promoting > > person > > > coz

putting truth, truth being most unusual things and > particularly > > > when every body has a fixed frame of mind, taken as a egoist is > > > obvious. but truth is absolute, some elders asked me not to tell > > > spiritual experiences openly otherwise i can loose them, why even > > in > > > the lap of the moher god one will care loss and gain ? at least > in > > > spirituality there is no loss.. cant be there.> > > > > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "rk dash" > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > You could have said 'chhandanuvritte...' not gyanam vandhanam. > > Till > > > I read> > > > your reply today I thought the guy had a very strong line of > > > followers> > > >

(subservient worker bees) who lose no time in singing his > > prasasti > > > whenever> > > > there is a threat to his carefully constructed reputation. That > > is > > > what I> > > > meant. The resaon was to avoid any direct talk about unpleasant > > > things and> > > > people. 'At the drop of a turban' was my adaptation of the > > > phrase 'at the> > > > drop of a hat' to what pundits' headgear. > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > > > On 17/12/2007, litsol > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > " A formidable line of drone who can spring a most awesome > > > ergo noisome> > > > > canticle of accomplishments, at the drop of a turban" > > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > My english is like my english only ..... what u said is > > difficult > > > for me> > > > > to understand, I dont know what is "canticle", do u > > mean "stuti" > > > and turban> > > > > means "pagari or safa"... then what is drone? something that > > > keeps playing> > > > > in a instrument wihout attension ... then what meaning it > > carries > > > altogather> > > > > ? > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I dont understand it, but what i can say is, without a fall, > > God > > > has and> > > > > will ensure relevance of spirituality in my life, I see how > all > > > are dancing > > > > > those who are

knowledgable and also those who are ignorant.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > !! Gyanam Bandhanam !!> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > If u want to see the God, I mean wish to realize it, It will > > > happen, it> > > > > will happen, It will happen !!> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Sir, it's very easy and then easy is any task u want to do we > > > have to> > > > > traverse the maya, and mayapati is always with us... > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > >> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > >> > >

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