Nastikata revealed (Lalit)

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Aavesh Ji,

 

Namaskaar, our purpose is to promote astrology as it's true but there

are people like VM whos brain is washed during their study period and

they didn't grow up independantly. They dont know why they want to

say like this ...

 

A man who is not inspired by his own life writes things as written by

VM, still, we are open to hear them also.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t

<aavesh_s wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> Who is this character VM ??

>

> I sincerely feel that the purpose of this group (to discuss

Jyotish ) is defeated with such lengthy mails (which have nothing to

convey except to show the poetic powers of the person writing the

mail)

>

> If we want to encourage poetic expression that is another matter

>

> Regards,

>

> aavesh

>

>

litsol <litsol wrote:

> Dear VM,

>

> Pls. ask or tell ur points straightway, there are learned members

in

> the group who can answer u or if u do have any message to give us,

we

> can understand that also if that is in simple wordings.

>

> regards,

> Lalit

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vavamenon

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Pathmarajahji,

> > Namasthe & Greetings,

> > That was a beautiful rendering of the long journey of individual

> souls to the ULTIMATE TRUTH that is Ishwara.....

> > Thanks for explaining the difference between WORSHIP and

> PRAYER......

> > Resolving Karma is an eternal process for each soul and living by

> Dharma is the way to Moksha.....

> > Thank you very much for the enlightening and enriching

> expressions..........

> > My understanding is clearer now on certain aspects so that I too

> can explain to others in a much better way in your language...

> > As far as relations to Planets and Stars, I am yet to distinguish

> between the effects of ALL-PERVASIVENESS of ISHWARA AND EVERY PART

OF

> CREATION on the one hand and THE INDIVIDUAL SOUL'S RELATION TO EACH

> PART OF THE CREATION WHICH INCLUDE THE STARS AND ALL THE PLANETS.

> Moon affects tides which has a direct bearing on our survival...

> because farming is done based on movement of water..... I have seen

> in my family, farming is very much associated with high/low

> tides...... Today Federal Reserve in USA decides on interest-cuts

> which affect the financial activities of Governments and

> businesses..... So, there is a connection/bearing between

individual

> souls and each & among all parts of the creation, whether material

or

> spiritual......

> > I am sure, you are a very advanced and learned person in your

> spiritual journey.... Let me be part of the unfolding of the truth

> in this forum....

> > With best regards,

> > vm

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Pathmarajah Nagalingam wrote:

> > Dear vavamenon and friends,

> >

> > Most people in the west are no longer christian, yet they

celebrate

> the christmas/new year period, not because they want to honor the

> birth of christ or their identity as a christian but simply because

> its the holiday season and want to take advantage of it, a time of

> giving gifts, merry making as well as end of year celebrations. So

> these non christians celebrate Xmas, and not Christmas. 'X' can

mean

> any festival for any group, including gays and athiests. So

everyone

> can celebrate Xmas.

> >

> > Now I understand Hindus in the west coast of america are

beginning

> to celebrate PanchaGanapati from 21st Dec to 25th Dec, to coincide

> with christmas. PanchaGanapati would be their Xmas! It is a time of

> gift giving, placing gifts under a makeshift Ganapati shrine with

> sugarcane in the living room, all lighted up just like a christmas

> tree! On the first day they reach out to immediate family members,

on

> the second day to relatives, on the third day to friends, on the

> fourth day to business associates and culminating on the fifth day,

> reaching out to the world at large.

> >

> > I am not a christian and actually detest the abrahamic faiths.

But

> the jittery hindu world is ever ready to suspect and accuse anyone

at

> the drop of a hat.

> >

> > Strictly speaking it is the agamas and the vedas that are the

ONLY

> shastras for the Hindu. All the rest are commentaries, elaborations

> and secular works, persuasive documents perhaps, but which

> nonetheless are not binding on us, and can be summarily discarded.

It

> is NO authority. So astrology, or jyotisha, is to be discarded!

> >

> > Everyone please keep in mind that we have no concepts of

> predestination or fate. What we have is the concept of karma, which

> cannot ever be known. There is no way our karma can be charted out

> and our future predicted based on a horoscope or palmistry or some

> mumbo jumbo. There is no mumbo jumbo in the agamas or vedas.

> >

> > Everyone keep in mind that we worship the Gods, and not the

> planets, meteors, comets, space debris, constellations, nodes of

the

> moon, sun, galaxies or whatever. Gods are all prevading bodies of

> light, neither physical nor even mental, and not restricted to the

> physical world around us, rather immanent and transcending it. And

> certainly not the planets! Gods pervade the entire cosmos in much

the

> same way our soul-spirit pervades our entire body. They cannot be

> constricted or confined to a planet!

> >

> > That the astrologers came to link the planets to Hindu gods is a

> devastating development of the late siddhanta period. It paralysed

> the Hindus, made them superstitious, fearful and fatalistic. It

> provided an argument and justification for caste, and all the ills

of

> Hindu society and the failings of an individual or curse of a

> community! It made Hindus beggers; they go and beg the gods and

> planets for favours, worldly favours that is, wealth to be

specific,

> when on the contrary the entire reason for taking a birth is to

> resolve karmas, relinquish all, and attain moksha. That cannot

happen

> when one is still begging for wealth, fame, spouses, etc, and

almost

> always, sure enough, will be disappointed, leading to a loss of

faith

> and confidence in the Gods.

> >

> > This is what we need to delink now; delink the Gods from the

> planets, delink predeterminism from karma, delink prayers for

wealth

> from worship for communion with the Gods and moksha.

> >

> > Appeals to the Gods for their benign intervention is the basis of

> worship, for the Gods alone can intervene. There would be no reason

> to worship if there is such a thing as predestination. As the

future

> cannot be known, there are no prophecies in HIndu shastras unlike

the

> abrahamic faiths. If the future could be known our shastras would

> have been overflowing with it.

> >

> > Where there is worship, that makes it a religion and not just a

> dharma. It has become fashionable to describe Hinduism as a way of

> life and not a religion, perhaps trying to distinguish and distance

> themselves from the abrahamic faiths and establish a distinction.

> Well thats not true.

> >

> > Christians and muslims pray, whereas Hindus worship. Its not the

> same thing. Worship means 'to honor'. To pray is 'to beg'. Hindus

> don't beg, but honor the gods, with agamic tools and technology,

seek

> supernatural communion, seek an ending to the separation of the

soul

> and God, the aspiration of the worshipper being to suppress the

> separation of himself from the object of worship, amalgamating his

> self with the supreme self, ultimately the stage in worship is the

> identification of the worshipper with the Diety, and in that

process

> seek moksha - liberation from the physical, mental and emotional.

All

> Hindu worship is geared towards this, whether we are conscious of

it

> or not. And not for begging for wealth and fame (which may be

> ancilliary and not worthy of mention in the presence of the God).

> Therein lies the disappointment! For the objective was grossly

wrong,

> a total misunderstanding!

> >

> > The Gods respond to the worship, not by providing wealth, spouse,

> etc., as repeatedly and endlessly requested by the woefully lost

> soul, but by unfolding a scenario in our lives that makes the

> separation of soul and God less and less distant over the years.

The

> provision or non provision of wealth, spouse, fame, children, etc.,

> is merely a means to THAT end!

> >

> > Regards.

> >

> > Pathma

> >

> > HinduCalendar , vavamenon wrote:

> > >

> > > Shri Pathmarajah ji,

> > > Greetings and Namasthe !

> > > I would really be obliged if you could educate me as to the

real

> meaning of Xmas. I was all along seeing people including christians

> using X'mas, Xmas, etc. as a short form for Chrismas.

> > > In Internet, people use short forms to save time, such as B2B

> (business-to-Business, 4 instead of 4, 2 instead of two, etc....).

> > > I request you to please give me any other meaning for Xmas,

which

> would enlarge my own understanding.....

> > > About Hinduism, I have not come across or any scholar of

Sanatana

> Dharma original scriptures the word " Hindu " in Vedas, Vedangas,

> Upanishads, Brahmanas, Aranyakas, Agamas, Ithihaasaas, Puranas, Upa

> Puranas, etc...... Those who follow Vedic Scriptures are just

> Bharatheeyans, there is no religion (in its true sense) in

India....

> Our Maharishis have structured a life style for all human race in

> such a way that one lives truly connected to THE DIVINE every

second

> of his life.

> > > About your arguments on Vedic Calendars, I am still learning a

> lot on the subject from learned persons like you who are

interacting

> in this forum, so that I also can arrive at TRUTH.

> > > With regards,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

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