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Dear Lalit, Thanks.I shall give you my observations tomorrow Regards, aavesh litsol <litsol wrote: Dear Sir,DOB : 17-08-1972.TOB : 20:15Place : A village near Rewa(MP).regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t wrote:>> Dear Lalit,>

> Pls let me have your birth details.> > I shall have a look at your chart and comment > > Regards,> > aavesh> > > litsol wrote:> Aavesh Ji,> > I seek ur guidance, pls. tell me though i achieved the highest stage > of spirituality in duality and that is the God's vision, discovered > my direct relation with God and God listens to me , I feel it's > love...> > > Still what i miss ?> > I miss something ... what is left to know ?> > regards,> Lalit.> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > wrote:> >> > Dear Sheevani,> > > > Nice to get your mail.> > > > I will write about these Sadhanas over the next few days> > > > Regards,> > > > aavesh> >

> > > > sheevani147 wrote:> > Om Namah Shivaye,> > Respected Aavesh ji.> > Namaste.> > Kindly pardon my intervention, but I wonder if you couls be so > kind as to expand on the various sadhanas of Lord Shiva..> > A true Aghori is the one who has done all the four Saadhnas for > Lord Shiva (Mahakaal Saadhna being the highest)> > > > Krishna-astami of Mrigsira is also the Kaal-astami(Bhairava-> astami)..I would appreciate if you could also talk about this too..> > Thanking you,> > Respectfully> > Sheevani> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > A very touching account (to put it mildly)> > > > > > 'Aghora' means NO FEAR.This

is the reason why Aghoris> > > do their rituals in graveyards (as that is where all your worldly > possesions count for nothing).Seeing death on a daily basis removes > the fear of death.When this fear is conquered,that is when one > becomes truly spiritual !!> > > > > > Unfortunately Aghoris are the most misunderstood of the sects as > they do not bother to explain the philosophy of the 'Pancham Makaras'> > > (The common man thinks all they do is drink and copulate at will)> > > > > > A true Aghori is the one who has done all the four Saadhnas for > Lord Shiva (Mahakaal Saadhna being the highest)> > > > > > Regards,> > > aavesh> > > > > > > > > litsol litsol@ wrote:> > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > Sometimes, I feel i m also an Aghori,

Aghora means "No Ghora" > > > or "Beautiful" why because there is no dirtiness in sadhaka's > vision, > > > yes, how it can be, Whose mind is mingled into Shiva, how can > have > > > Ghora elements (Dirty/Fearful Thoughts) in mind.> > > > > > This cleaning happens two ways - 1. In the external worldly > behavior > > > 2. In the internal thought process. In fact it's a kind of self > > > transformation, our mind is conditioned and we have to liberate > it.> > > > > > This sadhaka was following 1st process, I have seen there is no > > > difference in any sect/cult in it's core principles or > objectives, > > > those who are unaware sees merit or demarit in sects highlighting > > > their partial vision.> > > > > > He was in the advance level of his way of

sadhana, I was studying > in > > > my B.Sc IInd year, and was doing gayatri mantra, kundalini beej > > > mantras etc.. but with no seriousness, He came to our colony one > > > night back, there were rumors like he eats cats and dogs and he > is a > > > dirty mean person, lookwise he was terrible, a sturdy body with > red > > > burning eyes but strange he has a soft heart.> > > > > > we were facing lots of issues, my mother was in front of the > house, > > > unwilling to open doors for him, but as i was there in the house, > > > taking bath ... she openned the door.> > > > > > He asked my mother - "Maa, I m hungry, Maathaa Bhaat (rice with > > > liquid curd - I dont know what maatha is called in english) > > > khaunga .."> > > > > > There was

no curd in the home, So my maa gave him other things to > > > eat ..> > > > > > He sat on our paasage and produced a Durga Idol from no where and > > > gave to my mother, I thought he is a cunning man, may be trying > to > > > snap more money from my maa..> > > > > > I had finished bath and was doing gayatri mantra ... I started > > > putting steps towards him, suddenly he stood.. and said, "Maa tu > > > isaki chinta mat kar, Wo bahut kuchh karega, Ghar bhi banaa lega > aur > > > car bhi khareed lega , aur bahut kuchh ..." means "Ma dont worry > for > > > him", he will do lot many things in life .."> > > > > > He didn't face me and left my house, i followed him, he started > > > walking fast, said - "dont follow me", I asked him, wherefrom u >

came, > > > he said - "Sarweshwari", Oh I knew that group, founded by Kina > Raam > > > and organised by Aghora Bhagvaan Raam centered in Varanashi.> > > > > > He said - "dont come to this way, goto ur ways", I didn't > understand > > > him, now i do understand him, such tantrik sects are not made for > me..> > > > > > I asked where I can meet u, he said - "I will come, dont follow > me, > > > Maatha bhaat khilana ..."> > > > > > I couldnt look into his eyes, I have good control on my vision, > when > > > I met Puttaparti Sai Baba, I looked deeply into his eyes, for > some 3 -> > > 4 minutes, he also.> > > > > > But this sadhaka didnt allow me to look into his eyes.> > > > > > regards,> > > Lalit.> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > Sorry that I missed this mail.> > > > > > > > I shall certainly be interested to read your experiences with > > > this Sadhaka> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > aavesh> > > > > > > > > > > > litsol > > > wrote:> > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > Can i tell u about my strange meeting with a Aghora Sadhaka,

I > > > think > > > > he was the first mysterious person in my life.> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t > > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Good Morning Aarkayji,> > > > > > > > > > Another brilliant mail from you Sir.> > > > > > > > > > I am in full agreement with what you have said regarding the > fact > > > > that Yogananda was fully qualified to write on his experiences > > > > regarding 'Siddhis' (In fact the book was written on the > > > instructions > > > > of Mahavtar Babaji as many are aware)> > > > > > > > > > Aghora is a different matter

altogether.It is easily one of > the > > > > least understood and much maligned systems today.> > > > > > > > > > It is a real pity that a system which owes it's origins to > Lord > > > > Dattatreya and Lord Shiva has been so grossly misunderstood and > > > > misused> > > > > > > > > > Personally speaking I tend to keep an open mind on spiritual > > > > practices (not being judgmental itself is a great virtue on > this > > > path)> > > > > > > > > > As they to 'each his own'> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > aavesh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rk dash wrote:> > > > >

Aavesh,> > > > > Excuse me my poesy. The incidental distinction I touched upon > was > > > > between esoteric path(s) and non-esoteric ones. Not between > > > dakshina > > > > and vaama. Where would you put the nocturnal court which the > > > > levitating Lahiri Mahasaya held, with fairies hovering above > him > > > and > > > > which was espied by his wife, or for that matter the session at > the > > > > ghats of Benaras where Yogavatar, Mahavatar and the latter's > sister > > > > met nightly? These were all yogis -- rajyogi of the highest > order > > > in > > > > modern times. You would agree that that was esoteric. Even > > > kaulachaar > > > > should be requiring the adherent to keep his own counsel. When > > > >

Yogananda does that (when he writes the autobiography), he > shares > > > his > > > > life experiences to the high end of edification of mankind. And > > > that > > > > is after he has GONE THROUGH it all, much as a tathagata. Which > is > > > in > > > > order, not needing any defending. > > > > > > > > > > The Aghora parampara marks out its boundary with 'prapancha' > > > > differently. That should explain the comparison and contrast > and > > > > contest (the 'spardha') among certain adherents. Mark my use of > the > > > > word 'prapancha'. > > > > > > > > > > You have hardly confuted my account. > > > > > > > > > > I have been using bold letters for words which significantly

> > > > qualify what I say, please note, here as also earlier. > > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > On 19/12/2007, aavesh t wrote: > > > > Namaskar AarkayDa and Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > Sorry for intervening in your private discussions.> > > > > > > > > > A couple of points:> > > > > > > > > > (i)The debate whether one should reveal one's Siddhis has > been > > > > there since time immemorial > > > > > > > > > > (ii)As Aarkayji has pointed out in his poetic language (which > > > > goes over my head many a time) that the Dakshinmargi school of > > > > thought believes in keeping one's Siddhis to oneself > > > > > > > >

> > (iii)Vama Marga has the other approach.Here spiritual > aspirants > > > > openly challenge each other and often there are duels to prove > > > one's > > > > Siddhis.The much blamed and criticised Agohoris being part of > this > > > > school of thought > > > > > > > > > > (iv)Ultimately,it comes down to the individual and his > relation > > > > with his Ishta (Personally speaking though I have always > beleieved > > > in > > > > Swami Yukteshwar Giri's approach. He never exhibited his > Siddhis > > > > unless directed by a higher power to do so (This is vividly > > > described > > > > by Yogananda in 'Autobiography of a Yogi') > > > > > > > > > > This note is not to take up sides or criticise but just

some > > > > observations from an interested observer of life's Maya !!> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rk dash wrote:> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > The proscription on one's spiritual experience is premised on > two > > > > well-founded tenets.> > > > > > > > > > One, tongue-wagging doesn't enrich it. It cuts down > introversion. > > > > The inward journey peters out. Some exoteric paths seem not to > > > > discourage it. Another matter. But Satsang is another ball > game. > > > > Guidence

is sought in confidence. Much like public display > emotion > > > > (for some) is a no-no. In extreme esoteric paths, it is a game > of > > > > dice -- often. There stakes are high. The higher they are, the > more > > > > circumspect the seeker must be, or the world would come down on > > > him. > > > > It (the world) can be nice slaughter house. > > > > > > > > > > Two, much of 'That' is ineffable -- anirvachaniya. ('That' is > a > > > > vedic favourite as a referent)> > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > On 18/12/2007, litsol > > > > wrote: No Sir,> > > > > > > > > > I was always single and alone, rahu in 11'th makes sure no > > > > > frinds....., i

was misunderstood for my straightforward > uncanny > > > > > talks , but i had to do such talks, otherwise, this time when > > > it's > > > > > accepted that spirituality is a gone thing, has no > application in > > > > > real life, those who are spiritual are outdated antique .. > people > > > > and > > > > > particularly narrowminded indian girls and reporters of > confused > > > > news > > > > > papers like times of india, I decided to put everything as it > is, > > > > > without no mixing.> > > > > > > > > > Still there were threats to taken as egoists or self > promoting > > > > person > > > > > coz putting truth, truth being most unusual things and > > > particularly >

> > > > when every body has a fixed frame of mind, taken as a egoist > is > > > > > obvious. but truth is absolute, some elders asked me not to > tell > > > > > spiritual experiences openly otherwise i can loose them, why > even > > > > in > > > > > the lap of the moher god one will care loss and gain ? at > least > > > in > > > > > spirituality there is no loss.. cant be there.> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "rk dash" > > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > You could have said 'chhandanuvritte...' not gyanam > vandhanam. > > > > Till > > > > > I

read> > > > > > your reply today I thought the guy had a very strong line > of > > > > > followers> > > > > > (subservient worker bees) who lose no time in singing his > > > > prasasti > > > > > whenever> > > > > > there is a threat to his carefully constructed reputation. > That > > > > is > > > > > what I> > > > > > meant. The resaon was to avoid any direct talk about > unpleasant > > > > > things and> > > > > > people. 'At the drop of a turban' was my adaptation of the > > > > > phrase 'at the> > > > > > drop of a hat' to what pundits' headgear. > > > > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > On 17/12/2007, litsol > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > " A formidable line of drone who can spring a most > awesome > > > > > ergo noisome> > > > > > > canticle of accomplishments, at the drop of a turban" > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > My english is like my english only ..... what u said is > > > > difficult > > > > > for me> > > > > > > to understand, I dont know what is "canticle", do u > > > > mean "stuti" > > > > > and turban> > > > > > > means "pagari or safa"... then what is drone? something > that > > > > > keeps playing> > > >

> > > in a instrument wihout attension ... then what meaning it > > > > carries > > > > > altogather> > > > > > > ? > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I dont understand it, but what i can say is, without a > fall, > > > > God > > > > > has and> > > > > > > will ensure relevance of spirituality in my life, I see > how > > > all > > > > > are dancing > > > > > > > those who are knowledgable and also those who are > ignorant.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > !! Gyanam Bandhanam !!> > > > > > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If u want to see the God, I mean wish to realize it, It > will > > > > > happen, it> > > > > > > will happen, It will happen !!> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sir, it's very easy and then easy is any task u want to > do we > > > > > have to> > > > > > > traverse the maya, and mayapati is always with us... > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >

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