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January 10, 2008

Must say you are great.You can never admit that you are wrong.Probably

you think u r God.

They may not have died for Sadaam but their death is the direct result

of what happened to Sadaam since it was Sadaam's execution which led

to the sunni shia conflicts.The invasion took place only because the

US wanted to remove Sadaam and hoist a puppet Govt in Iraq.

I am surprised when even now u say that my perception was wrong.I had

said that after the execution of Sadaam Iraq will never be in

peace.And that is what has happened.I don't know what more you wanted

from me.All i can say is that ur standards of truth are different for

urself than others. Rup--- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol wrote:

>

> Sir, doesn't say that they died for Saddam, Iraq has been a

> troubled state after the invasion, it's wrong to attribute the tally

> to Saddam's death, there is no significance of his death in the world

> as you perceived, will be never untill the world's political scenario

> remains like it is today.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Rup Baqaya

> <baqayarup@> wrote:

> >

> > Rup Baqaya (baqayarup@) has sent you a news article.

> > (Email address has not been verified.)

> > ---------------------------

> > Personal message:

> >

> > And someone was telling the group that he was right when he said

> that nothing will happen in Iraq after Saddam's death.I don't know

> whether the worthy wanted Iraq to explode in one day.What kind of

> intellect is this which thinks nothing of 151000 deaths.

> >

> > 151,000 Iraqis killed since U.S.-led invasion: WHO - News

> >

> > http://news./s/nm/20080110/wl_nm/iraq_deaths_survey_dc

> >

> > ============================================================

> > News

> > http://news./

> >

>

January 10, 2008

Dear Sir,

Feeling like God is the first step in spirituality, A joy that no other

activity or achievement can give to you, otherwise you never feel the

plesure of knowing what u r, you spend whole life wondering what u r.

Second step is to Feel next person is also like God, just like you...

then the joy grows multiple times.

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen Baqaya "

<baqayarup wrote:

>

> Must say you are great.You can never admit that you are wrong.Probably

> you think u r God.

> They may not have died for Sadaam but their death is the direct result

> of what happened to Sadaam since it was Sadaam's execution which led

> to the sunni shia conflicts.The invasion took place only because the

> US wanted to remove Sadaam and hoist a puppet Govt in Iraq.

> I am surprised when even now u say that my perception was wrong.I had

> said that after the execution of Sadaam Iraq will never be in

> peace.And that is what has happened.I don't know what more you wanted

> from me.All i can say is that ur standards of truth are different for

> urself than others. Rup--- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> >

> > Sir, doesn't say that they died for Saddam, Iraq has been a

> > troubled state after the invasion, it's wrong to attribute the tally

> > to Saddam's death, there is no significance of his death in the

world

> > as you perceived, will be never untill the world's political

scenario

> > remains like it is today.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Rup Baqaya

> > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rup Baqaya (baqayarup@) has sent you a news article.

> > > (Email address has not been verified.)

> > > ---------------------------

> > > Personal message:

> > >

> > > And someone was telling the group that he was right when he said

> > that nothing will happen in Iraq after Saddam's death.I don't know

> > whether the worthy wanted Iraq to explode in one day.What kind of

> > intellect is this which thinks nothing of 151000 deaths.

> > >

> > > 151,000 Iraqis killed since U.S.-led invasion: WHO - News

> > >

> > > http://news./s/nm/20080110/wl_nm/iraq_deaths_survey_dc

> > >

> > > ============================================================

> > > News

> > > http://news./

> > >

> >

>

January 10, 2008

Yes Lalit you are the founder of all spirituality,Ramakrishna

incarnate,Vivekananda incarnate,etc etc,the person who stopped third

world war from happening,the person who stopped all rapes in Delhi,the

person who has turned this hell of a world into heaven.My sashtang

dhandvat pranam to you.--- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> Feeling like God is the first step in spirituality, A joy that no other

> activity or achievement can give to you, otherwise you never feel the

> plesure of knowing what u r, you spend whole life wondering what u r.

>

> Second step is to Feel next person is also like God, just like you...

> then the joy grows multiple times.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen Baqaya "

> <baqayarup@> wrote:

> >

> > Must say you are great.You can never admit that you are wrong.Probably

> > you think u r God.

> > They may not have died for Sadaam but their death is the direct result

> > of what happened to Sadaam since it was Sadaam's execution which led

> > to the sunni shia conflicts.The invasion took place only because the

> > US wanted to remove Sadaam and hoist a puppet Govt in Iraq.

> > I am surprised when even now u say that my perception was wrong.I had

> > said that after the execution of Sadaam Iraq will never be in

> > peace.And that is what has happened.I don't know what more you wanted

> > from me.All i can say is that ur standards of truth are different for

> > urself than others. Rup--- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir, doesn't say that they died for Saddam, Iraq has been a

> > > troubled state after the invasion, it's wrong to attribute the tally

> > > to Saddam's death, there is no significance of his death in the

> world

> > > as you perceived, will be never untill the world's political

> scenario

> > > remains like it is today.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Rup Baqaya

> > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Rup Baqaya (baqayarup@) has sent you a news article.

> > > > (Email address has not been verified.)

> > > > ---------------------------

> > > > Personal message:

> > > >

> > > > And someone was telling the group that he was right when he said

> > > that nothing will happen in Iraq after Saddam's death.I don't know

> > > whether the worthy wanted Iraq to explode in one day.What kind of

> > > intellect is this which thinks nothing of 151000 deaths.

> > > >

> > > > 151,000 Iraqis killed since U.S.-led invasion: WHO - News

> > > >

> > > > http://news./s/nm/20080110/wl_nm/iraq_deaths_survey_dc

> > > >

> > > > ============================================================

> > > > News

> > > > http://news./

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 10, 2008

Dear Sir,

You look in quite good mood, but do u think hapening so or being so is

no way impossible.

Countless times countless individuals have explored their godhood within

them, still it's a surprise, a wonder ? Why Sir.. You have studied more

than me, why u r so suprised at such things.

Do u think Being Vivek, or I mean, turning from Naren to Vivek is

unreal, But why only a Naren should turn to be 'Vivek' ?

Pls. look within you, a strong personality like you, where gets

confused.. what u have not got in life, still, why signs of emptiness ..

in fact, it's a kind of self created wall, imaginary wall of some

thoughts which may look justified, thoughts looking practial and

realistic being within this wall of thoughts we refuse to see beyond..

pls. look beyond. The imaginary wall has temptations.

I didnt turned the world scenario in 2000 - 2001, but, it was the

intensive pain, the writhing that i undergone, is noticed by Ramkrishna

Paramhansha, yes, it's true, He had that compassion, He did that, he

assured to change the world scenario coz there was a young man with true

pain in his heart, the truth cant be turned, Like u I never believed it

may happen but within couple of days it was there, Just look back pls,

how helpless India was, facing all sort of bans, got wounded in kargil,

had no visionary leadership but what happens, suddenly, ban lifts,

wounded india's pain is noticed by the world when they get somewhat

similar pain, Yes, I was there to ask Paramhansha to change the world's

condition, to change the destiny, I also told him if u are not true, a

halucination, go away from here, I dont believe u, But he is a Guru, He

knows how is a kid, He loves us, He smiled, Said - " be it so, World's

political scenario will change " , it changed, with no friend at all, we

have freinds and we can win the war against the terrorism. I was never

under the terific impression of Osama, I cant.

But why we individuals will not do their part, why their responsibility

should be taken by Gurus, These are they who become Osama and these are

they who thinks One among them Like osama cant be killed, these are they

who thinks something is impossible these are they who does impossible.

One get 100 percentile in Cat, whereas rest may think that's impossible,

why we have become like this....

why we tend to forget what is already told to us in Upnishads, Why we

feel secured in creating virtual limis around us to keep us imprisioned.

As regards stopping rapes, My failure was my I could not keep the

consistancy in insistance to mother divine,like i had in early 2006, In

last group, First time, in March 2006, I told about the rapes getting

stopped, I had tremendous pressure on my head and the way I got

disturbed by Girls, consistancy of will power got reduced gradually,

Still, 2006 was the year with least rape count in Delhi. If one man who

is most ordinary like just next guy on the street could do this much,

why evolved people like u or others cant do, I just wanted to show, what

can be done, what is the potential God may give to one individual.

And what it takes, hardly a feeling like God. Let's dont forget our

godhood.

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen Baqaya "

<baqayarup wrote:

>

> Yes Lalit you are the founder of all spirituality,Ramakrishna

> incarnate,Vivekananda incarnate,etc etc,the person who stopped third

> world war from happening,the person who stopped all rapes in Delhi,the

> person who has turned this hell of a world into heaven.My sashtang

> dhandvat pranam to you.--- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > Feeling like God is the first step in spirituality, A joy that no

other

> > activity or achievement can give to you, otherwise you never feel

the

> > plesure of knowing what u r, you spend whole life wondering what u

r.

> >

> > Second step is to Feel next person is also like God, just like

you...

> > then the joy grows multiple times.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

Baqaya "

> > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Must say you are great.You can never admit that you are

wrong.Probably

> > > you think u r God.

> > > They may not have died for Sadaam but their death is the direct

result

> > > of what happened to Sadaam since it was Sadaam's execution which

led

> > > to the sunni shia conflicts.The invasion took place only because

the

> > > US wanted to remove Sadaam and hoist a puppet Govt in Iraq.

> > > I am surprised when even now u say that my perception was wrong.I

had

> > > said that after the execution of Sadaam Iraq will never be in

> > > peace.And that is what has happened.I don't know what more you

wanted

> > > from me.All i can say is that ur standards of truth are different

for

> > > urself than others. Rup--- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sir, doesn't say that they died for Saddam, Iraq has been a

> > > > troubled state after the invasion, it's wrong to attribute the

tally

> > > > to Saddam's death, there is no significance of his death in the

> > world

> > > > as you perceived, will be never untill the world's political

> > scenario

> > > > remains like it is today.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Rup Baqaya

> > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Rup Baqaya (baqayarup@) has sent you a news article.

> > > > > (Email address has not been verified.)

> > > > > ---------------------------

> > > > > Personal message:

> > > > >

> > > > > And someone was telling the group that he was right when he

said

> > > > that nothing will happen in Iraq after Saddam's death.I don't

know

> > > > whether the worthy wanted Iraq to explode in one day.What kind

of

> > > > intellect is this which thinks nothing of 151000 deaths.

> > > > >

> > > > > 151,000 Iraqis killed since U.S.-led invasion: WHO -

News

> > > > >

http://news./s/nm/20080110/wl_nm/iraq_deaths_survey_dc

> > > > >

> > > > > ============================================================

> > > > > News

> > > > > http://news./

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 10, 2008

- I have heard this crap hundreds of times from you.For me the

fountainhood of spirituality is a person who is straightforward

without any deviousness or cunning in him and helpful to all without

expecting anything in return.To me the persons who promote belief in

miracles are mostly first grade cheats who befool the public either

for personal gain or self glorification.More so I am of the firm

opinion that this kind of belief in miracles has made Indians the lazy

ppl they are,for such thinking gives a tendency not to make much

effort for anything.I thus hold the Godmen promoting miracles

responsible for the backwardness and poverty in the country and as a

consequence hate them.Period.No further arguments on this as far as i

am concerned.This is my firm and unshakeable belief.

More so i am worried about you.Your flights of imagination are only at

the laughable stage now.However when saturn will come to scorpio after

about 7 to 8 years the results might be worse and u may need

counselling at that time.And remember this,i do not curse ppl like you

do,for curses are in a way like miracles and never real.My predictions

are based on cold logic always. -- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> You look in quite good mood, but do u think hapening so or being so is

> no way impossible.

>

> Countless times countless individuals have explored their godhood within

> them, still it's a surprise, a wonder ? Why Sir.. You have studied more

> than me, why u r so suprised at such things.

>

> Do u think Being Vivek, or I mean, turning from Naren to Vivek is

> unreal, But why only a Naren should turn to be 'Vivek' ?

>

> Pls. look within you, a strong personality like you, where gets

> confused.. what u have not got in life, still, why signs of emptiness ..

> in fact, it's a kind of self created wall, imaginary wall of some

> thoughts which may look justified, thoughts looking practial and

> realistic being within this wall of thoughts we refuse to see beyond..

> pls. look beyond. The imaginary wall has temptations.

>

> I didnt turned the world scenario in 2000 - 2001, but, it was the

> intensive pain, the writhing that i undergone, is noticed by Ramkrishna

> Paramhansha, yes, it's true, He had that compassion, He did that, he

> assured to change the world scenario coz there was a young man with true

> pain in his heart, the truth cant be turned, Like u I never believed it

> may happen but within couple of days it was there, Just look back pls,

> how helpless India was, facing all sort of bans, got wounded in kargil,

> had no visionary leadership but what happens, suddenly, ban lifts,

> wounded india's pain is noticed by the world when they get somewhat

> similar pain, Yes, I was there to ask Paramhansha to change the world's

> condition, to change the destiny, I also told him if u are not true, a

> halucination, go away from here, I dont believe u, But he is a Guru, He

> knows how is a kid, He loves us, He smiled, Said - " be it so, World's

> political scenario will change " , it changed, with no friend at all, we

> have freinds and we can win the war against the terrorism. I was never

> under the terific impression of Osama, I cant.

>

> But why we individuals will not do their part, why their responsibility

> should be taken by Gurus, These are they who become Osama and these are

> they who thinks One among them Like osama cant be killed, these are they

> who thinks something is impossible these are they who does impossible.

> One get 100 percentile in Cat, whereas rest may think that's impossible,

> why we have become like this....

>

> why we tend to forget what is already told to us in Upnishads, Why we

> feel secured in creating virtual limis around us to keep us imprisioned.

>

> As regards stopping rapes, My failure was my I could not keep the

> consistancy in insistance to mother divine,like i had in early 2006, In

> last group, First time, in March 2006, I told about the rapes getting

> stopped, I had tremendous pressure on my head and the way I got

> disturbed by Girls, consistancy of will power got reduced gradually,

> Still, 2006 was the year with least rape count in Delhi. If one man who

> is most ordinary like just next guy on the street could do this much,

> why evolved people like u or others cant do, I just wanted to show, what

> can be done, what is the potential God may give to one individual.

>

> And what it takes, hardly a feeling like God. Let's dont forget our

> godhood.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen Baqaya "

> <baqayarup@> wrote:

> >

> > Yes Lalit you are the founder of all spirituality,Ramakrishna

> > incarnate,Vivekananda incarnate,etc etc,the person who stopped third

> > world war from happening,the person who stopped all rapes in Delhi,the

> > person who has turned this hell of a world into heaven.My sashtang

> > dhandvat pranam to you.--- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > Feeling like God is the first step in spirituality, A joy that no

> other

> > > activity or achievement can give to you, otherwise you never feel

> the

> > > plesure of knowing what u r, you spend whole life wondering what u

> r.

> > >

> > > Second step is to Feel next person is also like God, just like

> you...

> > > then the joy grows multiple times.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

> Baqaya "

> > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Must say you are great.You can never admit that you are

> wrong.Probably

> > > > you think u r God.

> > > > They may not have died for Sadaam but their death is the direct

> result

> > > > of what happened to Sadaam since it was Sadaam's execution which

> led

> > > > to the sunni shia conflicts.The invasion took place only because

> the

> > > > US wanted to remove Sadaam and hoist a puppet Govt in Iraq.

> > > > I am surprised when even now u say that my perception was wrong.I

> had

> > > > said that after the execution of Sadaam Iraq will never be in

> > > > peace.And that is what has happened.I don't know what more you

> wanted

> > > > from me.All i can say is that ur standards of truth are different

> for

> > > > urself than others. Rup--- In

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " litsol@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir, doesn't say that they died for Saddam, Iraq has been a

> > > > > troubled state after the invasion, it's wrong to attribute the

> tally

> > > > > to Saddam's death, there is no significance of his death in the

> > > world

> > > > > as you perceived, will be never untill the world's political

> > > scenario

> > > > > remains like it is today.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Rup Baqaya

> > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rup Baqaya (baqayarup@) has sent you a news article.

> > > > > > (Email address has not been verified.)

> > > > > > ---------------------------

> > > > > > Personal message:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And someone was telling the group that he was right when he

> said

> > > > > that nothing will happen in Iraq after Saddam's death.I don't

> know

> > > > > whether the worthy wanted Iraq to explode in one day.What kind

> of

> > > > > intellect is this which thinks nothing of 151000 deaths.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 151,000 Iraqis killed since U.S.-led invasion: WHO -

> News

> > > > > >

> http://news./s/nm/20080110/wl_nm/iraq_deaths_survey_dc

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ============================================================

> > > > > > News

> > > > > > http://news./

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 10, 2008

Dear Sir,

Pls. try to define the miracle, that what u dont know and happens is

a miraculous happening for u, may be not same for the one who knows

it. extend ur belief or extend ur disbelief, u will see there is

nothing like miracle, pls. get an extension.

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen Baqaya "

<baqayarup wrote:

>

> - I have heard this crap hundreds of times from you.For me the

> fountainhood of spirituality is a person who is straightforward

> without any deviousness or cunning in him and helpful to all without

> expecting anything in return.To me the persons who promote belief in

> miracles are mostly first grade cheats who befool the public either

> for personal gain or self glorification.More so I am of the firm

> opinion that this kind of belief in miracles has made Indians the

lazy

> ppl they are,for such thinking gives a tendency not to make much

> effort for anything.I thus hold the Godmen promoting miracles

> responsible for the backwardness and poverty in the country and as a

> consequence hate them.Period.No further arguments on this as far as

i

> am concerned.This is my firm and unshakeable belief.

> More so i am worried about you.Your flights of imagination are only

at

> the laughable stage now.However when saturn will come to scorpio

after

> about 7 to 8 years the results might be worse and u may need

> counselling at that time.And remember this,i do not curse ppl like

you

> do,for curses are in a way like miracles and never real.My

predictions

> are based on cold logic always. -- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > You look in quite good mood, but do u think hapening so or being

so is

> > no way impossible.

> >

> > Countless times countless individuals have explored their godhood

within

> > them, still it's a surprise, a wonder ? Why Sir.. You have

studied more

> > than me, why u r so suprised at such things.

> >

> > Do u think Being Vivek, or I mean, turning from Naren to Vivek is

> > unreal, But why only a Naren should turn to be 'Vivek' ?

> >

> > Pls. look within you, a strong personality like you, where gets

> > confused.. what u have not got in life, still, why signs of

emptiness ..

> > in fact, it's a kind of self created wall, imaginary wall of some

> > thoughts which may look justified, thoughts looking practial and

> > realistic being within this wall of thoughts we refuse to see

beyond..

> > pls. look beyond. The imaginary wall has temptations.

> >

> > I didnt turned the world scenario in 2000 - 2001, but, it was the

> > intensive pain, the writhing that i undergone, is noticed by

Ramkrishna

> > Paramhansha, yes, it's true, He had that compassion, He did that,

he

> > assured to change the world scenario coz there was a young man

with true

> > pain in his heart, the truth cant be turned, Like u I never

believed it

> > may happen but within couple of days it was there, Just look back

pls,

> > how helpless India was, facing all sort of bans, got wounded in

kargil,

> > had no visionary leadership but what happens, suddenly, ban lifts,

> > wounded india's pain is noticed by the world when they get

somewhat

> > similar pain, Yes, I was there to ask Paramhansha to change the

world's

> > condition, to change the destiny, I also told him if u are not

true, a

> > halucination, go away from here, I dont believe u, But he is a

Guru, He

> > knows how is a kid, He loves us, He smiled, Said - " be it so,

World's

> > political scenario will change " , it changed, with no friend at

all, we

> > have freinds and we can win the war against the terrorism. I was

never

> > under the terific impression of Osama, I cant.

> >

> > But why we individuals will not do their part, why their

responsibility

> > should be taken by Gurus, These are they who become Osama and

these are

> > they who thinks One among them Like osama cant be killed, these

are they

> > who thinks something is impossible these are they who does

impossible.

> > One get 100 percentile in Cat, whereas rest may think that's

impossible,

> > why we have become like this....

> >

> > why we tend to forget what is already told to us in Upnishads,

Why we

> > feel secured in creating virtual limis around us to keep us

imprisioned.

> >

> > As regards stopping rapes, My failure was my I could not keep the

> > consistancy in insistance to mother divine,like i had in early

2006, In

> > last group, First time, in March 2006, I told about the rapes

getting

> > stopped, I had tremendous pressure on my head and the way I got

> > disturbed by Girls, consistancy of will power got reduced

gradually,

> > Still, 2006 was the year with least rape count in Delhi. If one

man who

> > is most ordinary like just next guy on the street could do this

much,

> > why evolved people like u or others cant do, I just wanted to

show, what

> > can be done, what is the potential God may give to one individual.

> >

> > And what it takes, hardly a feeling like God. Let's dont forget

our

> > godhood.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

Baqaya "

> > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes Lalit you are the founder of all spirituality,Ramakrishna

> > > incarnate,Vivekananda incarnate,etc etc,the person who stopped

third

> > > world war from happening,the person who stopped all rapes in

Delhi,the

> > > person who has turned this hell of a world into heaven.My

sashtang

> > > dhandvat pranam to you.--- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " litsol@

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Feeling like God is the first step in spirituality, A joy

that no

> > other

> > > > activity or achievement can give to you, otherwise you never

feel

> > the

> > > > plesure of knowing what u r, you spend whole life wondering

what u

> > r.

> > > >

> > > > Second step is to Feel next person is also like God, just like

> > you...

> > > > then the joy grows multiple times.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

> > Baqaya "

> > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Must say you are great.You can never admit that you are

> > wrong.Probably

> > > > > you think u r God.

> > > > > They may not have died for Sadaam but their death is the

direct

> > result

> > > > > of what happened to Sadaam since it was Sadaam's execution

which

> > led

> > > > > to the sunni shia conflicts.The invasion took place only

because

> > the

> > > > > US wanted to remove Sadaam and hoist a puppet Govt in Iraq.

> > > > > I am surprised when even now u say that my perception was

wrong.I

> > had

> > > > > said that after the execution of Sadaam Iraq will never be

in

> > > > > peace.And that is what has happened.I don't know what more

you

> > wanted

> > > > > from me.All i can say is that ur standards of truth are

different

> > for

> > > > > urself than others. Rup--- In

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " litsol@

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir, doesn't say that they died for Saddam, Iraq has

been a

> > > > > > troubled state after the invasion, it's wrong to

attribute the

> > tally

> > > > > > to Saddam's death, there is no significance of his death

in the

> > > > world

> > > > > > as you perceived, will be never untill the world's

political

> > > > scenario

> > > > > > remains like it is today.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Rup

Baqaya

> > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rup Baqaya (baqayarup@) has sent you a news article.

> > > > > > > (Email address has not been verified.)

> > > > > > > -----------------------

----

> > > > > > > Personal message:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And someone was telling the group that he was right

when he

> > said

> > > > > > that nothing will happen in Iraq after Saddam's death.I

don't

> > know

> > > > > > whether the worthy wanted Iraq to explode in one day.What

kind

> > of

> > > > > > intellect is this which thinks nothing of 151000 deaths.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 151,000 Iraqis killed since U.S.-led invasion: WHO -

> > News

> > > > > > >

> > http://news./s/nm/20080110/wl_nm/iraq_deaths_survey_dc

> > > > > > >

============================================================

> > > > > > > News

> > > > > > > http://news./

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 10, 2008

Dear Sir,

Dont worry, everything will be fine, Let's enjoy the love and life.

I have not forgoten what u wanted to know ......

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen Baqaya "

<baqayarup wrote:

>

> - I have heard this crap hundreds of times from you.For me the

> fountainhood of spirituality is a person who is straightforward

> without any deviousness or cunning in him and helpful to all without

> expecting anything in return.To me the persons who promote belief in

> miracles are mostly first grade cheats who befool the public either

> for personal gain or self glorification.More so I am of the firm

> opinion that this kind of belief in miracles has made Indians the

lazy

> ppl they are,for such thinking gives a tendency not to make much

> effort for anything.I thus hold the Godmen promoting miracles

> responsible for the backwardness and poverty in the country and as a

> consequence hate them.Period.No further arguments on this as far as

i

> am concerned.This is my firm and unshakeable belief.

> More so i am worried about you.Your flights of imagination are only

at

> the laughable stage now.However when saturn will come to scorpio

after

> about 7 to 8 years the results might be worse and u may need

> counselling at that time.And remember this,i do not curse ppl like

you

> do,for curses are in a way like miracles and never real.My

predictions

> are based on cold logic always. -- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > You look in quite good mood, but do u think hapening so or being

so is

> > no way impossible.

> >

> > Countless times countless individuals have explored their godhood

within

> > them, still it's a surprise, a wonder ? Why Sir.. You have

studied more

> > than me, why u r so suprised at such things.

> >

> > Do u think Being Vivek, or I mean, turning from Naren to Vivek is

> > unreal, But why only a Naren should turn to be 'Vivek' ?

> >

> > Pls. look within you, a strong personality like you, where gets

> > confused.. what u have not got in life, still, why signs of

emptiness ..

> > in fact, it's a kind of self created wall, imaginary wall of some

> > thoughts which may look justified, thoughts looking practial and

> > realistic being within this wall of thoughts we refuse to see

beyond..

> > pls. look beyond. The imaginary wall has temptations.

> >

> > I didnt turned the world scenario in 2000 - 2001, but, it was the

> > intensive pain, the writhing that i undergone, is noticed by

Ramkrishna

> > Paramhansha, yes, it's true, He had that compassion, He did that,

he

> > assured to change the world scenario coz there was a young man

with true

> > pain in his heart, the truth cant be turned, Like u I never

believed it

> > may happen but within couple of days it was there, Just look back

pls,

> > how helpless India was, facing all sort of bans, got wounded in

kargil,

> > had no visionary leadership but what happens, suddenly, ban lifts,

> > wounded india's pain is noticed by the world when they get

somewhat

> > similar pain, Yes, I was there to ask Paramhansha to change the

world's

> > condition, to change the destiny, I also told him if u are not

true, a

> > halucination, go away from here, I dont believe u, But he is a

Guru, He

> > knows how is a kid, He loves us, He smiled, Said - " be it so,

World's

> > political scenario will change " , it changed, with no friend at

all, we

> > have freinds and we can win the war against the terrorism. I was

never

> > under the terific impression of Osama, I cant.

> >

> > But why we individuals will not do their part, why their

responsibility

> > should be taken by Gurus, These are they who become Osama and

these are

> > they who thinks One among them Like osama cant be killed, these

are they

> > who thinks something is impossible these are they who does

impossible.

> > One get 100 percentile in Cat, whereas rest may think that's

impossible,

> > why we have become like this....

> >

> > why we tend to forget what is already told to us in Upnishads,

Why we

> > feel secured in creating virtual limis around us to keep us

imprisioned.

> >

> > As regards stopping rapes, My failure was my I could not keep the

> > consistancy in insistance to mother divine,like i had in early

2006, In

> > last group, First time, in March 2006, I told about the rapes

getting

> > stopped, I had tremendous pressure on my head and the way I got

> > disturbed by Girls, consistancy of will power got reduced

gradually,

> > Still, 2006 was the year with least rape count in Delhi. If one

man who

> > is most ordinary like just next guy on the street could do this

much,

> > why evolved people like u or others cant do, I just wanted to

show, what

> > can be done, what is the potential God may give to one individual.

> >

> > And what it takes, hardly a feeling like God. Let's dont forget

our

> > godhood.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

Baqaya "

> > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes Lalit you are the founder of all spirituality,Ramakrishna

> > > incarnate,Vivekananda incarnate,etc etc,the person who stopped

third

> > > world war from happening,the person who stopped all rapes in

Delhi,the

> > > person who has turned this hell of a world into heaven.My

sashtang

> > > dhandvat pranam to you.--- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " litsol@

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Feeling like God is the first step in spirituality, A joy

that no

> > other

> > > > activity or achievement can give to you, otherwise you never

feel

> > the

> > > > plesure of knowing what u r, you spend whole life wondering

what u

> > r.

> > > >

> > > > Second step is to Feel next person is also like God, just like

> > you...

> > > > then the joy grows multiple times.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

> > Baqaya "

> > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Must say you are great.You can never admit that you are

> > wrong.Probably

> > > > > you think u r God.

> > > > > They may not have died for Sadaam but their death is the

direct

> > result

> > > > > of what happened to Sadaam since it was Sadaam's execution

which

> > led

> > > > > to the sunni shia conflicts.The invasion took place only

because

> > the

> > > > > US wanted to remove Sadaam and hoist a puppet Govt in Iraq.

> > > > > I am surprised when even now u say that my perception was

wrong.I

> > had

> > > > > said that after the execution of Sadaam Iraq will never be

in

> > > > > peace.And that is what has happened.I don't know what more

you

> > wanted

> > > > > from me.All i can say is that ur standards of truth are

different

> > for

> > > > > urself than others. Rup--- In

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " litsol@

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir, doesn't say that they died for Saddam, Iraq has

been a

> > > > > > troubled state after the invasion, it's wrong to

attribute the

> > tally

> > > > > > to Saddam's death, there is no significance of his death

in the

> > > > world

> > > > > > as you perceived, will be never untill the world's

political

> > > > scenario

> > > > > > remains like it is today.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Rup

Baqaya

> > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rup Baqaya (baqayarup@) has sent you a news article.

> > > > > > > (Email address has not been verified.)

> > > > > > > -----------------------

----

> > > > > > > Personal message:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And someone was telling the group that he was right

when he

> > said

> > > > > > that nothing will happen in Iraq after Saddam's death.I

don't

> > know

> > > > > > whether the worthy wanted Iraq to explode in one day.What

kind

> > of

> > > > > > intellect is this which thinks nothing of 151000 deaths.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 151,000 Iraqis killed since U.S.-led invasion: WHO -

> > News

> > > > > > >

> > http://news./s/nm/20080110/wl_nm/iraq_deaths_survey_dc

> > > > > > >

============================================================

> > > > > > > News

> > > > > > > http://news./

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 10, 2008

Making such foolish claims that you stopped the rapes in Delhi or

prevented the war from happening are themselves examples of claims of

making miracles happen.These are obviously and patently false when one

sees that you cannot do even the smallest things for yourself or any

other person that i know.What more examples are needed.Only thing is

that i am frank and helpful and so trying to tell you the truth with a

view to help/improve you;whereas most others you know are just

watching from the sidelines and smiling like most worldly ppl will do.

RupVedic Astrologyandhealing ,

" litsol " <litsol wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> Pls. try to define the miracle, that what u dont know and happens is

> a miraculous happening for u, may be not same for the one who knows

> it. extend ur belief or extend ur disbelief, u will see there is

> nothing like miracle, pls. get an extension.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen Baqaya "

> <baqayarup@> wrote:

> >

> > - I have heard this crap hundreds of times from you.For me the

> > fountainhood of spirituality is a person who is straightforward

> > without any deviousness or cunning in him and helpful to all without

> > expecting anything in return.To me the persons who promote belief in

> > miracles are mostly first grade cheats who befool the public either

> > for personal gain or self glorification.More so I am of the firm

> > opinion that this kind of belief in miracles has made Indians the

> lazy

> > ppl they are,for such thinking gives a tendency not to make much

> > effort for anything.I thus hold the Godmen promoting miracles

> > responsible for the backwardness and poverty in the country and as a

> > consequence hate them.Period.No further arguments on this as far as

> i

> > am concerned.This is my firm and unshakeable belief.

> > More so i am worried about you.Your flights of imagination are only

> at

> > the laughable stage now.However when saturn will come to scorpio

> after

> > about 7 to 8 years the results might be worse and u may need

> > counselling at that time.And remember this,i do not curse ppl like

> you

> > do,for curses are in a way like miracles and never real.My

> predictions

> > are based on cold logic always. -- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > You look in quite good mood, but do u think hapening so or being

> so is

> > > no way impossible.

> > >

> > > Countless times countless individuals have explored their godhood

> within

> > > them, still it's a surprise, a wonder ? Why Sir.. You have

> studied more

> > > than me, why u r so suprised at such things.

> > >

> > > Do u think Being Vivek, or I mean, turning from Naren to Vivek is

> > > unreal, But why only a Naren should turn to be 'Vivek' ?

> > >

> > > Pls. look within you, a strong personality like you, where gets

> > > confused.. what u have not got in life, still, why signs of

> emptiness ..

> > > in fact, it's a kind of self created wall, imaginary wall of some

> > > thoughts which may look justified, thoughts looking practial and

> > > realistic being within this wall of thoughts we refuse to see

> beyond..

> > > pls. look beyond. The imaginary wall has temptations.

> > >

> > > I didnt turned the world scenario in 2000 - 2001, but, it was the

> > > intensive pain, the writhing that i undergone, is noticed by

> Ramkrishna

> > > Paramhansha, yes, it's true, He had that compassion, He did that,

> he

> > > assured to change the world scenario coz there was a young man

> with true

> > > pain in his heart, the truth cant be turned, Like u I never

> believed it

> > > may happen but within couple of days it was there, Just look back

> pls,

> > > how helpless India was, facing all sort of bans, got wounded in

> kargil,

> > > had no visionary leadership but what happens, suddenly, ban lifts,

> > > wounded india's pain is noticed by the world when they get

> somewhat

> > > similar pain, Yes, I was there to ask Paramhansha to change the

> world's

> > > condition, to change the destiny, I also told him if u are not

> true, a

> > > halucination, go away from here, I dont believe u, But he is a

> Guru, He

> > > knows how is a kid, He loves us, He smiled, Said - " be it so,

> World's

> > > political scenario will change " , it changed, with no friend at

> all, we

> > > have freinds and we can win the war against the terrorism. I was

> never

> > > under the terific impression of Osama, I cant.

> > >

> > > But why we individuals will not do their part, why their

> responsibility

> > > should be taken by Gurus, These are they who become Osama and

> these are

> > > they who thinks One among them Like osama cant be killed, these

> are they

> > > who thinks something is impossible these are they who does

> impossible.

> > > One get 100 percentile in Cat, whereas rest may think that's

> impossible,

> > > why we have become like this....

> > >

> > > why we tend to forget what is already told to us in Upnishads,

> Why we

> > > feel secured in creating virtual limis around us to keep us

> imprisioned.

> > >

> > > As regards stopping rapes, My failure was my I could not keep the

> > > consistancy in insistance to mother divine,like i had in early

> 2006, In

> > > last group, First time, in March 2006, I told about the rapes

> getting

> > > stopped, I had tremendous pressure on my head and the way I got

> > > disturbed by Girls, consistancy of will power got reduced

> gradually,

> > > Still, 2006 was the year with least rape count in Delhi. If one

> man who

> > > is most ordinary like just next guy on the street could do this

> much,

> > > why evolved people like u or others cant do, I just wanted to

> show, what

> > > can be done, what is the potential God may give to one individual.

> > >

> > > And what it takes, hardly a feeling like God. Let's dont forget

> our

> > > godhood.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

> Baqaya "

> > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Yes Lalit you are the founder of all spirituality,Ramakrishna

> > > > incarnate,Vivekananda incarnate,etc etc,the person who stopped

> third

> > > > world war from happening,the person who stopped all rapes in

> Delhi,the

> > > > person who has turned this hell of a world into heaven.My

> sashtang

> > > > dhandvat pranam to you.--- In

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " litsol@

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Feeling like God is the first step in spirituality, A joy

> that no

> > > other

> > > > > activity or achievement can give to you, otherwise you never

> feel

> > > the

> > > > > plesure of knowing what u r, you spend whole life wondering

> what u

> > > r.

> > > > >

> > > > > Second step is to Feel next person is also like God, just like

> > > you...

> > > > > then the joy grows multiple times.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

> > > Baqaya "

> > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Must say you are great.You can never admit that you are

> > > wrong.Probably

> > > > > > you think u r God.

> > > > > > They may not have died for Sadaam but their death is the

> direct

> > > result

> > > > > > of what happened to Sadaam since it was Sadaam's execution

> which

> > > led

> > > > > > to the sunni shia conflicts.The invasion took place only

> because

> > > the

> > > > > > US wanted to remove Sadaam and hoist a puppet Govt in Iraq.

> > > > > > I am surprised when even now u say that my perception was

> wrong.I

> > > had

> > > > > > said that after the execution of Sadaam Iraq will never be

> in

> > > > > > peace.And that is what has happened.I don't know what more

> you

> > > wanted

> > > > > > from me.All i can say is that ur standards of truth are

> different

> > > for

> > > > > > urself than others. Rup--- In

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " litsol@

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir, doesn't say that they died for Saddam, Iraq has

> been a

> > > > > > > troubled state after the invasion, it's wrong to

> attribute the

> > > tally

> > > > > > > to Saddam's death, there is no significance of his death

> in the

> > > > > world

> > > > > > > as you perceived, will be never untill the world's

> political

> > > > > scenario

> > > > > > > remains like it is today.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Rup

> Baqaya

> > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rup Baqaya (baqayarup@) has sent you a news article.

> > > > > > > > (Email address has not been verified.)

> > > > > > > > -----------------------

> ----

> > > > > > > > Personal message:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And someone was telling the group that he was right

> when he

> > > said

> > > > > > > that nothing will happen in Iraq after Saddam's death.I

> don't

> > > know

> > > > > > > whether the worthy wanted Iraq to explode in one day.What

> kind

> > > of

> > > > > > > intellect is this which thinks nothing of 151000 deaths.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 151,000 Iraqis killed since U.S.-led invasion: WHO -

>

> > > News

> > > > > > > >

> > > http://news./s/nm/20080110/wl_nm/iraq_deaths_survey_dc

> > > > > > > >

> ============================================================

> > > > > > > > News

> > > > > > > > http://news./

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 11, 2008

Dear Sir,

Again u r taking me wrong on two things -

1. I m no one to do any thing for any one else, every body has got

same place and privilage before God, Only thing that i tried to tell

that this is a true privilage, they have to do for themselves,

divinity exists and works, whether u take it as miracle or as

reality, For me it's a reality, may be for others, it's a miracle.

that what i said to happen in Jan 06, wrote to previous group in

march 06, june 06, sept 06, and finally same came true in the

official records of Delhi Police, the reduction of rapes in city. for

me, it's an easily understandable example of practicality of

spirituality.

2. when u say about curse, what's that ... is that not a worse kind

of superstitiousness. this is the contrast within.

But considering how long it has taken for me to remove my doubts on

this reality, I understand, may be for other people same may take

years and years to perceive god's blessing in their life, there is no

wonder.

That's why i decided to lead a life to same tone, get all worldly

success and substance that most people yearn to get with so many

tricks, greediness and selfishness, still, stand with a difference.

First thing is to understand the Gayatri Mantra, and chant it from

within. Ask the God and feel - " Bhargo Devasya Dheemahi .....

Prachodyaat " .

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen Baqaya "

<baqayarup wrote:

>

> Making such foolish claims that you stopped the rapes in Delhi or

> prevented the war from happening are themselves examples of claims

of

> making miracles happen.These are obviously and patently false when

one

> sees that you cannot do even the smallest things for yourself or any

> other person that i know.What more examples are needed.Only thing is

> that i am frank and helpful and so trying to tell you the truth

with a

> view to help/improve you;whereas most others you know are just

> watching from the sidelines and smiling like most worldly ppl will

do.

>

> RupVedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > Pls. try to define the miracle, that what u dont know and happens

is

> > a miraculous happening for u, may be not same for the one who

knows

> > it. extend ur belief or extend ur disbelief, u will see there is

> > nothing like miracle, pls. get an extension.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

Baqaya "

> > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > >

> > > - I have heard this crap hundreds of times from you.For me the

> > > fountainhood of spirituality is a person who is straightforward

> > > without any deviousness or cunning in him and helpful to all

without

> > > expecting anything in return.To me the persons who promote

belief in

> > > miracles are mostly first grade cheats who befool the public

either

> > > for personal gain or self glorification.More so I am of the firm

> > > opinion that this kind of belief in miracles has made Indians

the

> > lazy

> > > ppl they are,for such thinking gives a tendency not to make much

> > > effort for anything.I thus hold the Godmen promoting miracles

> > > responsible for the backwardness and poverty in the country and

as a

> > > consequence hate them.Period.No further arguments on this as

far as

> > i

> > > am concerned.This is my firm and unshakeable belief.

> > > More so i am worried about you.Your flights of imagination are

only

> > at

> > > the laughable stage now.However when saturn will come to

scorpio

> > after

> > > about 7 to 8 years the results might be worse and u may need

> > > counselling at that time.And remember this,i do not curse ppl

like

> > you

> > > do,for curses are in a way like miracles and never real.My

> > predictions

> > > are based on cold logic always. -- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > You look in quite good mood, but do u think hapening so or

being

> > so is

> > > > no way impossible.

> > > >

> > > > Countless times countless individuals have explored their

godhood

> > within

> > > > them, still it's a surprise, a wonder ? Why Sir.. You have

> > studied more

> > > > than me, why u r so suprised at such things.

> > > >

> > > > Do u think Being Vivek, or I mean, turning from Naren to

Vivek is

> > > > unreal, But why only a Naren should turn to be 'Vivek' ?

> > > >

> > > > Pls. look within you, a strong personality like you, where

gets

> > > > confused.. what u have not got in life, still, why signs of

> > emptiness ..

> > > > in fact, it's a kind of self created wall, imaginary wall of

some

> > > > thoughts which may look justified, thoughts looking practial

and

> > > > realistic being within this wall of thoughts we refuse to

see

> > beyond..

> > > > pls. look beyond. The imaginary wall has temptations.

> > > >

> > > > I didnt turned the world scenario in 2000 - 2001, but, it was

the

> > > > intensive pain, the writhing that i undergone, is noticed by

> > Ramkrishna

> > > > Paramhansha, yes, it's true, He had that compassion, He did

that,

> > he

> > > > assured to change the world scenario coz there was a young

man

> > with true

> > > > pain in his heart, the truth cant be turned, Like u I never

> > believed it

> > > > may happen but within couple of days it was there, Just look

back

> > pls,

> > > > how helpless India was, facing all sort of bans, got wounded

in

> > kargil,

> > > > had no visionary leadership but what happens, suddenly, ban

lifts,

> > > > wounded india's pain is noticed by the world when they get

> > somewhat

> > > > similar pain, Yes, I was there to ask Paramhansha to change

the

> > world's

> > > > condition, to change the destiny, I also told him if u are

not

> > true, a

> > > > halucination, go away from here, I dont believe u, But he is

a

> > Guru, He

> > > > knows how is a kid, He loves us, He smiled, Said - " be it so,

> > World's

> > > > political scenario will change " , it changed, with no friend

at

> > all, we

> > > > have freinds and we can win the war against the terrorism. I

was

> > never

> > > > under the terific impression of Osama, I cant.

> > > >

> > > > But why we individuals will not do their part, why their

> > responsibility

> > > > should be taken by Gurus, These are they who become Osama and

> > these are

> > > > they who thinks One among them Like osama cant be killed,

these

> > are they

> > > > who thinks something is impossible these are they who does

> > impossible.

> > > > One get 100 percentile in Cat, whereas rest may think that's

> > impossible,

> > > > why we have become like this....

> > > >

> > > > why we tend to forget what is already told to us in

Upnishads,

> > Why we

> > > > feel secured in creating virtual limis around us to keep us

> > imprisioned.

> > > >

> > > > As regards stopping rapes, My failure was my I could not keep

the

> > > > consistancy in insistance to mother divine,like i had in

early

> > 2006, In

> > > > last group, First time, in March 2006, I told about the rapes

> > getting

> > > > stopped, I had tremendous pressure on my head and the way I

got

> > > > disturbed by Girls, consistancy of will power got reduced

> > gradually,

> > > > Still, 2006 was the year with least rape count in Delhi. If

one

> > man who

> > > > is most ordinary like just next guy on the street could do

this

> > much,

> > > > why evolved people like u or others cant do, I just wanted to

> > show, what

> > > > can be done, what is the potential God may give to one

individual.

> > > >

> > > > And what it takes, hardly a feeling like God. Let's dont

forget

> > our

> > > > godhood.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

> > Baqaya "

> > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes Lalit you are the founder of all

spirituality,Ramakrishna

> > > > > incarnate,Vivekananda incarnate,etc etc,the person who

stopped

> > third

> > > > > world war from happening,the person who stopped all rapes

in

> > Delhi,the

> > > > > person who has turned this hell of a world into heaven.My

> > sashtang

> > > > > dhandvat pranam to you.--- In

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " litsol@

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Feeling like God is the first step in spirituality, A joy

> > that no

> > > > other

> > > > > > activity or achievement can give to you, otherwise you

never

> > feel

> > > > the

> > > > > > plesure of knowing what u r, you spend whole life

wondering

> > what u

> > > > r.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Second step is to Feel next person is also like God, just

like

> > > > you...

> > > > > > then the joy grows multiple times.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup

Krishen

> > > > Baqaya "

> > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Must say you are great.You can never admit that you are

> > > > wrong.Probably

> > > > > > > you think u r God.

> > > > > > > They may not have died for Sadaam but their death is

the

> > direct

> > > > result

> > > > > > > of what happened to Sadaam since it was Sadaam's

execution

> > which

> > > > led

> > > > > > > to the sunni shia conflicts.The invasion took place

only

> > because

> > > > the

> > > > > > > US wanted to remove Sadaam and hoist a puppet Govt in

Iraq.

> > > > > > > I am surprised when even now u say that my perception

was

> > wrong.I

> > > > had

> > > > > > > said that after the execution of Sadaam Iraq will never

be

> > in

> > > > > > > peace.And that is what has happened.I don't know what

more

> > you

> > > > wanted

> > > > > > > from me.All i can say is that ur standards of truth are

> > different

> > > > for

> > > > > > > urself than others. Rup--- In

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

litsol@

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir, doesn't say that they died for Saddam, Iraq

has

> > been a

> > > > > > > > troubled state after the invasion, it's wrong to

> > attribute the

> > > > tally

> > > > > > > > to Saddam's death, there is no significance of his

death

> > in the

> > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > as you perceived, will be never untill the world's

> > political

> > > > > > scenario

> > > > > > > > remains like it is today.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Rup

> > Baqaya

> > > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rup Baqaya (baqayarup@) has sent you a news article.

> > > > > > > > > (Email address has not been verified.)

> > > > > > > > > -------------------

----

> > ----

> > > > > > > > > Personal message:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And someone was telling the group that he was right

> > when he

> > > > said

> > > > > > > > that nothing will happen in Iraq after Saddam's

death.I

> > don't

> > > > know

> > > > > > > > whether the worthy wanted Iraq to explode in one

day.What

> > kind

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > intellect is this which thinks nothing of 151000

deaths.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 151,000 Iraqis killed since U.S.-led invasion: WHO -

> >

> > > > News

> > > > > > > > >

> > > >

http://news./s/nm/20080110/wl_nm/iraq_deaths_survey_dc

> > > > > > > > >

> > ============================================================

> > > > > > > > > News

> > > > > > > > > http://news./

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 11, 2008

Firstly charity begins at home.Secondly there is nothing whatsoever

to indicate that you are blessed.I mostly see the contrary.In fact

what i have noticed is that whatever you say or do always goes

wrong(there are many other things too but i will not mention them

here).Iraq is not the only example.The other day you cursed me that i

am going to fall sick and will look old with wrinkles everywhere.To my

good luck and to the contrary my health has been improving by leaps

and bounds since then,so as to say that some ppl confuse me to be in

late forties that is at least fifteen years younger.Another example is

about the astrology programme that you have been praising at the group

saying that it is great.When i pointed out to you that the programme

is nothing but a copy of Parashara's dashaphala in your ego you were

not even prepared to accept this small fact which is easily verifiable

in a minute.My dear all i will say is that you are nothing but

ego.Learn some humility first,learn to accept your mistakes,learn to

admit them,do ur astrology calmly without being in a tearing hurry

that you are always in and may be u will improve.Let God bless you.

Rup-- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

<litsol wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> Again u r taking me wrong on two things -

>

> 1. I m no one to do any thing for any one else, every body has got

> same place and privilage before God, Only thing that i tried to tell

> that this is a true privilage, they have to do for themselves,

> divinity exists and works, whether u take it as miracle or as

> reality, For me it's a reality, may be for others, it's a miracle.

> that what i said to happen in Jan 06, wrote to previous group in

> march 06, june 06, sept 06, and finally same came true in the

> official records of Delhi Police, the reduction of rapes in city. for

> me, it's an easily understandable example of practicality of

> spirituality.

>

> 2. when u say about curse, what's that ... is that not a worse kind

> of superstitiousness. this is the contrast within.

>

> But considering how long it has taken for me to remove my doubts on

> this reality, I understand, may be for other people same may take

> years and years to perceive god's blessing in their life, there is no

> wonder.

>

> That's why i decided to lead a life to same tone, get all worldly

> success and substance that most people yearn to get with so many

> tricks, greediness and selfishness, still, stand with a difference.

>

> First thing is to understand the Gayatri Mantra, and chant it from

> within. Ask the God and feel - " Bhargo Devasya Dheemahi .....

> Prachodyaat " .

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen Baqaya "

> <baqayarup@> wrote:

> >

> > Making such foolish claims that you stopped the rapes in Delhi or

> > prevented the war from happening are themselves examples of claims

> of

> > making miracles happen.These are obviously and patently false when

> one

> > sees that you cannot do even the smallest things for yourself or any

> > other person that i know.What more examples are needed.Only thing is

> > that i am frank and helpful and so trying to tell you the truth

> with a

> > view to help/improve you;whereas most others you know are just

> > watching from the sidelines and smiling like most worldly ppl will

> do.

> >

> > RupVedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > Pls. try to define the miracle, that what u dont know and happens

> is

> > > a miraculous happening for u, may be not same for the one who

> knows

> > > it. extend ur belief or extend ur disbelief, u will see there is

> > > nothing like miracle, pls. get an extension.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

> Baqaya "

> > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > - I have heard this crap hundreds of times from you.For me the

> > > > fountainhood of spirituality is a person who is straightforward

> > > > without any deviousness or cunning in him and helpful to all

> without

> > > > expecting anything in return.To me the persons who promote

> belief in

> > > > miracles are mostly first grade cheats who befool the public

> either

> > > > for personal gain or self glorification.More so I am of the firm

> > > > opinion that this kind of belief in miracles has made Indians

> the

> > > lazy

> > > > ppl they are,for such thinking gives a tendency not to make much

> > > > effort for anything.I thus hold the Godmen promoting miracles

> > > > responsible for the backwardness and poverty in the country and

> as a

> > > > consequence hate them.Period.No further arguments on this as

> far as

> > > i

> > > > am concerned.This is my firm and unshakeable belief.

> > > > More so i am worried about you.Your flights of imagination are

> only

> > > at

> > > > the laughable stage now.However when saturn will come to

> scorpio

> > > after

> > > > about 7 to 8 years the results might be worse and u may need

> > > > counselling at that time.And remember this,i do not curse ppl

> like

> > > you

> > > > do,for curses are in a way like miracles and never real.My

> > > predictions

> > > > are based on cold logic always. -- In

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > You look in quite good mood, but do u think hapening so or

> being

> > > so is

> > > > > no way impossible.

> > > > >

> > > > > Countless times countless individuals have explored their

> godhood

> > > within

> > > > > them, still it's a surprise, a wonder ? Why Sir.. You have

> > > studied more

> > > > > than me, why u r so suprised at such things.

> > > > >

> > > > > Do u think Being Vivek, or I mean, turning from Naren to

> Vivek is

> > > > > unreal, But why only a Naren should turn to be 'Vivek' ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls. look within you, a strong personality like you, where

> gets

> > > > > confused.. what u have not got in life, still, why signs of

> > > emptiness ..

> > > > > in fact, it's a kind of self created wall, imaginary wall of

> some

> > > > > thoughts which may look justified, thoughts looking practial

> and

> > > > > realistic being within this wall of thoughts we refuse to

> see

> > > beyond..

> > > > > pls. look beyond. The imaginary wall has temptations.

> > > > >

> > > > > I didnt turned the world scenario in 2000 - 2001, but, it was

> the

> > > > > intensive pain, the writhing that i undergone, is noticed by

> > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > Paramhansha, yes, it's true, He had that compassion, He did

> that,

> > > he

> > > > > assured to change the world scenario coz there was a young

> man

> > > with true

> > > > > pain in his heart, the truth cant be turned, Like u I never

> > > believed it

> > > > > may happen but within couple of days it was there, Just look

> back

> > > pls,

> > > > > how helpless India was, facing all sort of bans, got wounded

> in

> > > kargil,

> > > > > had no visionary leadership but what happens, suddenly, ban

> lifts,

> > > > > wounded india's pain is noticed by the world when they get

> > > somewhat

> > > > > similar pain, Yes, I was there to ask Paramhansha to change

> the

> > > world's

> > > > > condition, to change the destiny, I also told him if u are

> not

> > > true, a

> > > > > halucination, go away from here, I dont believe u, But he is

> a

> > > Guru, He

> > > > > knows how is a kid, He loves us, He smiled, Said - " be it so,

> > > World's

> > > > > political scenario will change " , it changed, with no friend

> at

> > > all, we

> > > > > have freinds and we can win the war against the terrorism. I

> was

> > > never

> > > > > under the terific impression of Osama, I cant.

> > > > >

> > > > > But why we individuals will not do their part, why their

> > > responsibility

> > > > > should be taken by Gurus, These are they who become Osama and

> > > these are

> > > > > they who thinks One among them Like osama cant be killed,

> these

> > > are they

> > > > > who thinks something is impossible these are they who does

> > > impossible.

> > > > > One get 100 percentile in Cat, whereas rest may think that's

> > > impossible,

> > > > > why we have become like this....

> > > > >

> > > > > why we tend to forget what is already told to us in

> Upnishads,

> > > Why we

> > > > > feel secured in creating virtual limis around us to keep us

> > > imprisioned.

> > > > >

> > > > > As regards stopping rapes, My failure was my I could not keep

> the

> > > > > consistancy in insistance to mother divine,like i had in

> early

> > > 2006, In

> > > > > last group, First time, in March 2006, I told about the rapes

> > > getting

> > > > > stopped, I had tremendous pressure on my head and the way I

> got

> > > > > disturbed by Girls, consistancy of will power got reduced

> > > gradually,

> > > > > Still, 2006 was the year with least rape count in Delhi. If

> one

> > > man who

> > > > > is most ordinary like just next guy on the street could do

> this

> > > much,

> > > > > why evolved people like u or others cant do, I just wanted to

> > > show, what

> > > > > can be done, what is the potential God may give to one

> individual.

> > > > >

> > > > > And what it takes, hardly a feeling like God. Let's dont

> forget

> > > our

> > > > > godhood.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

> > > Baqaya "

> > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes Lalit you are the founder of all

> spirituality,Ramakrishna

> > > > > > incarnate,Vivekananda incarnate,etc etc,the person who

> stopped

> > > third

> > > > > > world war from happening,the person who stopped all rapes

> in

> > > Delhi,the

> > > > > > person who has turned this hell of a world into heaven.My

> > > sashtang

> > > > > > dhandvat pranam to you.--- In

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " litsol@

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Feeling like God is the first step in spirituality, A joy

> > > that no

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > activity or achievement can give to you, otherwise you

> never

> > > feel

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > plesure of knowing what u r, you spend whole life

> wondering

> > > what u

> > > > > r.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Second step is to Feel next person is also like God, just

> like

> > > > > you...

> > > > > > > then the joy grows multiple times.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup

> Krishen

> > > > > Baqaya "

> > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Must say you are great.You can never admit that you are

> > > > > wrong.Probably

> > > > > > > > you think u r God.

> > > > > > > > They may not have died for Sadaam but their death is

> the

> > > direct

> > > > > result

> > > > > > > > of what happened to Sadaam since it was Sadaam's

> execution

> > > which

> > > > > led

> > > > > > > > to the sunni shia conflicts.The invasion took place

> only

> > > because

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > US wanted to remove Sadaam and hoist a puppet Govt in

> Iraq.

> > > > > > > > I am surprised when even now u say that my perception

> was

> > > wrong.I

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > > said that after the execution of Sadaam Iraq will never

> be

> > > in

> > > > > > > > peace.And that is what has happened.I don't know what

> more

> > > you

> > > > > wanted

> > > > > > > > from me.All i can say is that ur standards of truth are

> > > different

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > urself than others. Rup--- In

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> litsol@

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir, doesn't say that they died for Saddam, Iraq

> has

> > > been a

> > > > > > > > > troubled state after the invasion, it's wrong to

> > > attribute the

> > > > > tally

> > > > > > > > > to Saddam's death, there is no significance of his

> death

> > > in the

> > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > as you perceived, will be never untill the world's

> > > political

> > > > > > > scenario

> > > > > > > > > remains like it is today.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Rup

> > > Baqaya

> > > > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rup Baqaya (baqayarup@) has sent you a news article.

> > > > > > > > > > (Email address has not been verified.)

> > > > > > > > > > -------------------

> ----

> > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > Personal message:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And someone was telling the group that he was right

> > > when he

> > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > that nothing will happen in Iraq after Saddam's

> death.I

> > > don't

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > whether the worthy wanted Iraq to explode in one

> day.What

> > > kind

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > intellect is this which thinks nothing of 151000

> deaths.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 151,000 Iraqis killed since U.S.-led invasion: WHO -

>

> > >

> > > > > News

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> http://news./s/nm/20080110/wl_nm/iraq_deaths_survey_dc

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > ============================================================

> > > > > > > > > > News

> > > > > > > > > > http://news./

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 11, 2008

Please see the message in this group where you have claimed that you

were right and i was wrong about Iraq.Once you see that you will know

how wrong you are.God knows whether you do this just for the sake of

your ego or are genuinely forgetful.--- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol wrote:

>

> Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,

>

> Namaskaar, in Iraq Nobody is protesting Saddam's death and trying to

> restore his regime, that has become a country where every group is

> fighting for his share in power. it's a different case altogather.

> Saddam is no way linked here. So, it has proven wrong that Saddam

> will get so much favor that world will face some havoc has been no

> where.

>

> This is what i said last year and saying today also.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rup,

> >

> > I too was puzzled how he came to the conclusion that nothing

> happened in

> > Iraq, after Saddam's death. That is happening daily unlike earlier,

> in fact.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Rup Baqaya wrote:

> > >

> > > Rup Baqaya (baqayarup@ <baqayarup%40>) has

> > > sent you a news article.

> > > (Email address has not been verified.)

> > > -------------------------

> > > Personal message:

> > >

> > > And someone was telling the group that he was right when he said

> that

> > > nothing will happen in Iraq after Saddam's death.I don't know

> whether

> > > the worthy wanted Iraq to explode in one day.What kind of

> intellect is

> > > this which thinks nothing of 151000 deaths.

> > >

> > > 151,000 Iraqis killed since U.S.-led invasion: WHO - News

> > >

> > > http://news./s/nm/20080110/wl_nm/iraq_deaths_survey_dc

> > > <http://news./s/nm/20080110/wl_nm/iraq_deaths_survey_dc>

> > >

> > > ============================================================

> > > News

> > > http://news./ <http://news./>

> > >

> >

>

January 11, 2008

Dear Sir,

My best wishes to u to look more younger, It was in Sept or Oct -

2007. You wanted to know what i feel for u,without watching ur

horoscope, I said 3 things -

1. Health will not be very good.

2. You will get some profitable assignments or some monetary gains in

couple of months.

3. Amit's marriage may happen within a year.

Where the curse come in between, I said what i felt, dont u think, I

too want u to look more younger like us, rarely a person looks 45-50

when he is 62+.

I had no idea that u will take me wrong and that so deeply.

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen Baqaya "

<baqayarup wrote:

>

> Firstly charity begins at home.Secondly there is nothing

whatsoever

> to indicate that you are blessed.I mostly see the contrary.In fact

> what i have noticed is that whatever you say or do always goes

> wrong(there are many other things too but i will not mention them

> here).Iraq is not the only example.The other day you cursed me that

i

> am going to fall sick and will look old with wrinkles everywhere.To

my

> good luck and to the contrary my health has been improving by leaps

> and bounds since then,so as to say that some ppl confuse me to be in

> late forties that is at least fifteen years younger.Another example

is

> about the astrology programme that you have been praising at the

group

> saying that it is great.When i pointed out to you that the

programme

> is nothing but a copy of Parashara's dashaphala in your ego you were

> not even prepared to accept this small fact which is easily

verifiable

> in a minute.My dear all i will say is that you are nothing but

> ego.Learn some humility first,learn to accept your mistakes,learn to

> admit them,do ur astrology calmly without being in a tearing hurry

> that you are always in and may be u will improve.Let God bless

you.

> Rup-- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> <litsol@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > Again u r taking me wrong on two things -

> >

> > 1. I m no one to do any thing for any one else, every body has

got

> > same place and privilage before God, Only thing that i tried to

tell

> > that this is a true privilage, they have to do for themselves,

> > divinity exists and works, whether u take it as miracle or as

> > reality, For me it's a reality, may be for others, it's a

miracle.

> > that what i said to happen in Jan 06, wrote to previous group in

> > march 06, june 06, sept 06, and finally same came true in the

> > official records of Delhi Police, the reduction of rapes in city.

for

> > me, it's an easily understandable example of practicality of

> > spirituality.

> >

> > 2. when u say about curse, what's that ... is that not a worse

kind

> > of superstitiousness. this is the contrast within.

> >

> > But considering how long it has taken for me to remove my doubts

on

> > this reality, I understand, may be for other people same may take

> > years and years to perceive god's blessing in their life, there

is no

> > wonder.

> >

> > That's why i decided to lead a life to same tone, get all worldly

> > success and substance that most people yearn to get with so many

> > tricks, greediness and selfishness, still, stand with a

difference.

> >

> > First thing is to understand the Gayatri Mantra, and chant it

from

> > within. Ask the God and feel - " Bhargo Devasya Dheemahi .....

> > Prachodyaat " .

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

Baqaya "

> > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Making such foolish claims that you stopped the rapes in

Delhi or

> > > prevented the war from happening are themselves examples of

claims

> > of

> > > making miracles happen.These are obviously and patently false

when

> > one

> > > sees that you cannot do even the smallest things for yourself

or any

> > > other person that i know.What more examples are needed.Only

thing is

> > > that i am frank and helpful and so trying to tell you the truth

> > with a

> > > view to help/improve you;whereas most others you know are just

> > > watching from the sidelines and smiling like most worldly ppl

will

> > do.

> > >

> > > RupVedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Pls. try to define the miracle, that what u dont know and

happens

> > is

> > > > a miraculous happening for u, may be not same for the one who

> > knows

> > > > it. extend ur belief or extend ur disbelief, u will see there

is

> > > > nothing like miracle, pls. get an extension.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

> > Baqaya "

> > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > - I have heard this crap hundreds of times from you.For me

the

> > > > > fountainhood of spirituality is a person who is

straightforward

> > > > > without any deviousness or cunning in him and helpful to

all

> > without

> > > > > expecting anything in return.To me the persons who promote

> > belief in

> > > > > miracles are mostly first grade cheats who befool the

public

> > either

> > > > > for personal gain or self glorification.More so I am of the

firm

> > > > > opinion that this kind of belief in miracles has made

Indians

> > the

> > > > lazy

> > > > > ppl they are,for such thinking gives a tendency not to make

much

> > > > > effort for anything.I thus hold the Godmen promoting

miracles

> > > > > responsible for the backwardness and poverty in the country

and

> > as a

> > > > > consequence hate them.Period.No further arguments on this

as

> > far as

> > > > i

> > > > > am concerned.This is my firm and unshakeable belief.

> > > > > More so i am worried about you.Your flights of imagination

are

> > only

> > > > at

> > > > > the laughable stage now.However when saturn will come to

> > scorpio

> > > > after

> > > > > about 7 to 8 years the results might be worse and u may need

> > > > > counselling at that time.And remember this,i do not curse

ppl

> > like

> > > > you

> > > > > do,for curses are in a way like miracles and never real.My

> > > > predictions

> > > > > are based on cold logic always. -- In

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

<litsol@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You look in quite good mood, but do u think hapening so

or

> > being

> > > > so is

> > > > > > no way impossible.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Countless times countless individuals have explored their

> > godhood

> > > > within

> > > > > > them, still it's a surprise, a wonder ? Why Sir.. You

have

> > > > studied more

> > > > > > than me, why u r so suprised at such things.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do u think Being Vivek, or I mean, turning from Naren to

> > Vivek is

> > > > > > unreal, But why only a Naren should turn to be 'Vivek' ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls. look within you, a strong personality like you,

where

> > gets

> > > > > > confused.. what u have not got in life, still, why signs

of

> > > > emptiness ..

> > > > > > in fact, it's a kind of self created wall, imaginary wall

of

> > some

> > > > > > thoughts which may look justified, thoughts looking

practial

> > and

> > > > > > realistic being within this wall of thoughts we refuse

to

> > see

> > > > beyond..

> > > > > > pls. look beyond. The imaginary wall has temptations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I didnt turned the world scenario in 2000 - 2001, but, it

was

> > the

> > > > > > intensive pain, the writhing that i undergone, is noticed

by

> > > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > > Paramhansha, yes, it's true, He had that compassion, He

did

> > that,

> > > > he

> > > > > > assured to change the world scenario coz there was a

young

> > man

> > > > with true

> > > > > > pain in his heart, the truth cant be turned, Like u I

never

> > > > believed it

> > > > > > may happen but within couple of days it was there, Just

look

> > back

> > > > pls,

> > > > > > how helpless India was, facing all sort of bans, got

wounded

> > in

> > > > kargil,

> > > > > > had no visionary leadership but what happens, suddenly,

ban

> > lifts,

> > > > > > wounded india's pain is noticed by the world when they

get

> > > > somewhat

> > > > > > similar pain, Yes, I was there to ask Paramhansha to

change

> > the

> > > > world's

> > > > > > condition, to change the destiny, I also told him if u

are

> > not

> > > > true, a

> > > > > > halucination, go away from here, I dont believe u, But he

is

> > a

> > > > Guru, He

> > > > > > knows how is a kid, He loves us, He smiled, Said - " be it

so,

> > > > World's

> > > > > > political scenario will change " , it changed, with no

friend

> > at

> > > > all, we

> > > > > > have freinds and we can win the war against the

terrorism. I

> > was

> > > > never

> > > > > > under the terific impression of Osama, I cant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But why we individuals will not do their part, why their

> > > > responsibility

> > > > > > should be taken by Gurus, These are they who become Osama

and

> > > > these are

> > > > > > they who thinks One among them Like osama cant be killed,

> > these

> > > > are they

> > > > > > who thinks something is impossible these are they who

does

> > > > impossible.

> > > > > > One get 100 percentile in Cat, whereas rest may think

that's

> > > > impossible,

> > > > > > why we have become like this....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > why we tend to forget what is already told to us in

> > Upnishads,

> > > > Why we

> > > > > > feel secured in creating virtual limis around us to keep

us

> > > > imprisioned.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As regards stopping rapes, My failure was my I could not

keep

> > the

> > > > > > consistancy in insistance to mother divine,like i had in

> > early

> > > > 2006, In

> > > > > > last group, First time, in March 2006, I told about the

rapes

> > > > getting

> > > > > > stopped, I had tremendous pressure on my head and the way

I

> > got

> > > > > > disturbed by Girls, consistancy of will power got reduced

> > > > gradually,

> > > > > > Still, 2006 was the year with least rape count in Delhi.

If

> > one

> > > > man who

> > > > > > is most ordinary like just next guy on the street could

do

> > this

> > > > much,

> > > > > > why evolved people like u or others cant do, I just

wanted to

> > > > show, what

> > > > > > can be done, what is the potential God may give to one

> > individual.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And what it takes, hardly a feeling like God. Let's dont

> > forget

> > > > our

> > > > > > godhood.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup

Krishen

> > > > Baqaya "

> > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes Lalit you are the founder of all

> > spirituality,Ramakrishna

> > > > > > > incarnate,Vivekananda incarnate,etc etc,the person who

> > stopped

> > > > third

> > > > > > > world war from happening,the person who stopped all

rapes

> > in

> > > > Delhi,the

> > > > > > > person who has turned this hell of a world into

heaven.My

> > > > sashtang

> > > > > > > dhandvat pranam to you.--- In

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

litsol@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Feeling like God is the first step in spirituality, A

joy

> > > > that no

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > activity or achievement can give to you, otherwise

you

> > never

> > > > feel

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > plesure of knowing what u r, you spend whole life

> > wondering

> > > > what u

> > > > > > r.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Second step is to Feel next person is also like God,

just

> > like

> > > > > > you...

> > > > > > > > then the joy grows multiple times.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup

> > Krishen

> > > > > > Baqaya "

> > > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Must say you are great.You can never admit that you

are

> > > > > > wrong.Probably

> > > > > > > > > you think u r God.

> > > > > > > > > They may not have died for Sadaam but their death

is

> > the

> > > > direct

> > > > > > result

> > > > > > > > > of what happened to Sadaam since it was Sadaam's

> > execution

> > > > which

> > > > > > led

> > > > > > > > > to the sunni shia conflicts.The invasion took place

> > only

> > > > because

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > US wanted to remove Sadaam and hoist a puppet Govt

in

> > Iraq.

> > > > > > > > > I am surprised when even now u say that my

perception

> > was

> > > > wrong.I

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > said that after the execution of Sadaam Iraq will

never

> > be

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > peace.And that is what has happened.I don't know

what

> > more

> > > > you

> > > > > > wanted

> > > > > > > > > from me.All i can say is that ur standards of truth

are

> > > > different

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > urself than others. Rup--- In

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > litsol@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sir, doesn't say that they died for Saddam,

Iraq

> > has

> > > > been a

> > > > > > > > > > troubled state after the invasion, it's wrong to

> > > > attribute the

> > > > > > tally

> > > > > > > > > > to Saddam's death, there is no significance of

his

> > death

> > > > in the

> > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > as you perceived, will be never untill the

world's

> > > > political

> > > > > > > > scenario

> > > > > > > > > > remains like it is today.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

Rup

> > > > Baqaya

> > > > > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rup Baqaya (baqayarup@) has sent you a news

article.

> > > > > > > > > > > (Email address has not been verified.)

> > > > > > > > > > > ---------------

----

> > ----

> > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > Personal message:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > And someone was telling the group that he was

right

> > > > when he

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > that nothing will happen in Iraq after Saddam's

> > death.I

> > > > don't

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > whether the worthy wanted Iraq to explode in one

> > day.What

> > > > kind

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > intellect is this which thinks nothing of 151000

> > deaths.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 151,000 Iraqis killed since U.S.-led invasion:

WHO -

> >

> > > >

> > > > > > News

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > http://news./s/nm/20080110/wl_nm/iraq_deaths_survey_dc

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > ============================================================

> > > > > > > > > > > News

> > > > > > > > > > > http://news./

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 11, 2008

I have not taken you wrongly at all Lalit.I have just given a few

examples of when you have been wrong only to teach you that do not

think you are always correct.You must appreciate that you are also

human like all of us and prone to err.But what is strange about you is

that you never admit your mistakes.Like Ricky Ponting,even when it is

obvious that you have made a glaring mistake you keep on insisting

that you are right.This is my observation not once or twice but on

many many occasions.Another thing is that you never care a hoot about

other people's opinions when these are contrary to yours.Your attitude

generally is something like that you know everything or you can get

anything done,even move mountains with ur poojas or spirituality.Just

to give another example,when we met the other day i simply said that

after Benazir'z death there is likely to be great turmoil in

Pakistan.Now this was not a foolish statement or something.It is

entirely possible.There could be long term consequences.The Bhutto

family has lost many of its scions in the politics of Pakistan and

this would have resulted in long term enemity in families and between

the Punjabi and Sindhi communities.So the statement needed to be

considered in the light of all this.If at all you did not agree with

it the right behaviour would be to weigh all the possiblities,discuss

all pros and cons and then tell ur conclusions.However ur response was

in one line;without batting an eyelid you said something like that you

have performed some pooja and you are sure nothing will happen in

Pakistan.This not only irritates the other person but also makes you

look mad.Do you think the whole world runs on ur poojas.Do u really

believe it.How is it possible.Do solutions to all problems come from

poojas.If so then there would have been no need to work,for food would

be produced by performing poojas,wars would be won by performing

poojas etc.But it is not so.So wake up man,don't act and behave like a

kid.Don't you remember what Steve Waugh said when told that Saurabh

Ganguly is getting many poojas done to win the world cup final.He said

that may be he is getting the poojas done but i don't see how that

will help his team play better cricket.Ok?Hope you get my point.

In your post you have mentioned that what you said about my health

was without seeing the horoscope.Here also the fact is that you knew

my horoscope and u very well knew that my lord of ascendant Sun is

placed in the ascendant itself in its own sign and in exalted

navanmsha and it has no conjunction or aspect.Now anyone with even a

little knowledge of astrology will understand that the health of such

a person will not easily spoil.However the fact is that your

experience/knowledge of astrology is very little as yet.Please

appreciate in this connection that you have started learning astrology

just since the last about two years.Please understand and appreciate

that two years is no time to learn astrology.I have been doing

astrology for 25 years and there are many things i don't know.Chandra

has even more experience and even he does not know all.Your problem is

that instead of genuinely learning the subject you always try to keep

on projecting that you know everything.Your aim seems to be more to

impress others rather than learning.My request to you is to stop

dreaming and be in touch with reallity.Please reallise that you are a

novice at astrology as yet and behave like that.The day you reallise

and start doing that you will not only find that your confidence has

increased but others will also start respecting you much more.

Now let us close the discussion on this topic for others may be

getting bored.Besides i think i have conveyed whatever i wanted to

convey to you.With affection and regards Rup

P.S. Just to tell you that what you have said about Sadaam not being a

respected figure in Iraq may also not be correct.You remember i took

you to my uncle Shri C.L.Kaw's house when i was last in Delhi.You will

recall that he retired 13 years ago as Chairman of Railway

Board.During his long service career he had a five year stint in Iraq

(he had Raahu in the 10th).He has told me that Sadaam was highly

respected by many ppl in Iraq notwithstanding the fact that he was a

ruthless and most feared dictator(for the reason that Iraq had made

great progress under him).OK? Rup --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> My best wishes to u to look more younger, It was in Sept or Oct -

> 2007. You wanted to know what i feel for u,without watching ur

> horoscope, I said 3 things -

>

> 1. Health will not be very good.

> 2. You will get some profitable assignments or some monetary gains in

> couple of months.

> 3. Amit's marriage may happen within a year.

>

> Where the curse come in between, I said what i felt, dont u think, I

> too want u to look more younger like us, rarely a person looks 45-50

> when he is 62+.

>

> I had no idea that u will take me wrong and that so deeply.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen Baqaya "

> <baqayarup@> wrote:

> >

> > Firstly charity begins at home.Secondly there is nothing

> whatsoever

> > to indicate that you are blessed.I mostly see the contrary.In fact

> > what i have noticed is that whatever you say or do always goes

> > wrong(there are many other things too but i will not mention them

> > here).Iraq is not the only example.The other day you cursed me that

> i

> > am going to fall sick and will look old with wrinkles everywhere.To

> my

> > good luck and to the contrary my health has been improving by leaps

> > and bounds since then,so as to say that some ppl confuse me to be in

> > late forties that is at least fifteen years younger.Another example

> is

> > about the astrology programme that you have been praising at the

> group

> > saying that it is great.When i pointed out to you that the

> programme

> > is nothing but a copy of Parashara's dashaphala in your ego you were

> > not even prepared to accept this small fact which is easily

> verifiable

> > in a minute.My dear all i will say is that you are nothing but

> > ego.Learn some humility first,learn to accept your mistakes,learn to

> > admit them,do ur astrology calmly without being in a tearing hurry

> > that you are always in and may be u will improve.Let God bless

> you.

> > Rup-- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > <litsol@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > Again u r taking me wrong on two things -

> > >

> > > 1. I m no one to do any thing for any one else, every body has

> got

> > > same place and privilage before God, Only thing that i tried to

> tell

> > > that this is a true privilage, they have to do for themselves,

> > > divinity exists and works, whether u take it as miracle or as

> > > reality, For me it's a reality, may be for others, it's a

> miracle.

> > > that what i said to happen in Jan 06, wrote to previous group in

> > > march 06, june 06, sept 06, and finally same came true in the

> > > official records of Delhi Police, the reduction of rapes in city.

> for

> > > me, it's an easily understandable example of practicality of

> > > spirituality.

> > >

> > > 2. when u say about curse, what's that ... is that not a worse

> kind

> > > of superstitiousness. this is the contrast within.

> > >

> > > But considering how long it has taken for me to remove my doubts

> on

> > > this reality, I understand, may be for other people same may take

> > > years and years to perceive god's blessing in their life, there

> is no

> > > wonder.

> > >

> > > That's why i decided to lead a life to same tone, get all worldly

> > > success and substance that most people yearn to get with so many

> > > tricks, greediness and selfishness, still, stand with a

> difference.

> > >

> > > First thing is to understand the Gayatri Mantra, and chant it

> from

> > > within. Ask the God and feel - " Bhargo Devasya Dheemahi .....

> > > Prachodyaat " .

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

> Baqaya "

> > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Making such foolish claims that you stopped the rapes in

> Delhi or

> > > > prevented the war from happening are themselves examples of

> claims

> > > of

> > > > making miracles happen.These are obviously and patently false

> when

> > > one

> > > > sees that you cannot do even the smallest things for yourself

> or any

> > > > other person that i know.What more examples are needed.Only

> thing is

> > > > that i am frank and helpful and so trying to tell you the truth

> > > with a

> > > > view to help/improve you;whereas most others you know are just

> > > > watching from the sidelines and smiling like most worldly ppl

> will

> > > do.

> > > >

> > > > RupVedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls. try to define the miracle, that what u dont know and

> happens

> > > is

> > > > > a miraculous happening for u, may be not same for the one who

> > > knows

> > > > > it. extend ur belief or extend ur disbelief, u will see there

> is

> > > > > nothing like miracle, pls. get an extension.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

> > > Baqaya "

> > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - I have heard this crap hundreds of times from you.For me

> the

> > > > > > fountainhood of spirituality is a person who is

> straightforward

> > > > > > without any deviousness or cunning in him and helpful to

> all

> > > without

> > > > > > expecting anything in return.To me the persons who promote

> > > belief in

> > > > > > miracles are mostly first grade cheats who befool the

> public

> > > either

> > > > > > for personal gain or self glorification.More so I am of the

> firm

> > > > > > opinion that this kind of belief in miracles has made

> Indians

> > > the

> > > > > lazy

> > > > > > ppl they are,for such thinking gives a tendency not to make

> much

> > > > > > effort for anything.I thus hold the Godmen promoting

> miracles

> > > > > > responsible for the backwardness and poverty in the country

> and

> > > as a

> > > > > > consequence hate them.Period.No further arguments on this

> as

> > > far as

> > > > > i

> > > > > > am concerned.This is my firm and unshakeable belief.

> > > > > > More so i am worried about you.Your flights of imagination

> are

> > > only

> > > > > at

> > > > > > the laughable stage now.However when saturn will come to

> > > scorpio

> > > > > after

> > > > > > about 7 to 8 years the results might be worse and u may need

> > > > > > counselling at that time.And remember this,i do not curse

> ppl

> > > like

> > > > > you

> > > > > > do,for curses are in a way like miracles and never real.My

> > > > > predictions

> > > > > > are based on cold logic always. -- In

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> <litsol@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You look in quite good mood, but do u think hapening so

> or

> > > being

> > > > > so is

> > > > > > > no way impossible.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Countless times countless individuals have explored their

> > > godhood

> > > > > within

> > > > > > > them, still it's a surprise, a wonder ? Why Sir.. You

> have

> > > > > studied more

> > > > > > > than me, why u r so suprised at such things.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do u think Being Vivek, or I mean, turning from Naren to

> > > Vivek is

> > > > > > > unreal, But why only a Naren should turn to be 'Vivek' ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls. look within you, a strong personality like you,

> where

> > > gets

> > > > > > > confused.. what u have not got in life, still, why signs

> of

> > > > > emptiness ..

> > > > > > > in fact, it's a kind of self created wall, imaginary wall

> of

> > > some

> > > > > > > thoughts which may look justified, thoughts looking

> practial

> > > and

> > > > > > > realistic being within this wall of thoughts we refuse

> to

> > > see

> > > > > beyond..

> > > > > > > pls. look beyond. The imaginary wall has temptations.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I didnt turned the world scenario in 2000 - 2001, but, it

> was

> > > the

> > > > > > > intensive pain, the writhing that i undergone, is noticed

> by

> > > > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > > > Paramhansha, yes, it's true, He had that compassion, He

> did

> > > that,

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > assured to change the world scenario coz there was a

> young

> > > man

> > > > > with true

> > > > > > > pain in his heart, the truth cant be turned, Like u I

> never

> > > > > believed it

> > > > > > > may happen but within couple of days it was there, Just

> look

> > > back

> > > > > pls,

> > > > > > > how helpless India was, facing all sort of bans, got

> wounded

> > > in

> > > > > kargil,

> > > > > > > had no visionary leadership but what happens, suddenly,

> ban

> > > lifts,

> > > > > > > wounded india's pain is noticed by the world when they

> get

> > > > > somewhat

> > > > > > > similar pain, Yes, I was there to ask Paramhansha to

> change

> > > the

> > > > > world's

> > > > > > > condition, to change the destiny, I also told him if u

> are

> > > not

> > > > > true, a

> > > > > > > halucination, go away from here, I dont believe u, But he

> is

> > > a

> > > > > Guru, He

> > > > > > > knows how is a kid, He loves us, He smiled, Said - " be it

> so,

> > > > > World's

> > > > > > > political scenario will change " , it changed, with no

> friend

> > > at

> > > > > all, we

> > > > > > > have freinds and we can win the war against the

> terrorism. I

> > > was

> > > > > never

> > > > > > > under the terific impression of Osama, I cant.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But why we individuals will not do their part, why their

> > > > > responsibility

> > > > > > > should be taken by Gurus, These are they who become Osama

> and

> > > > > these are

> > > > > > > they who thinks One among them Like osama cant be killed,

> > > these

> > > > > are they

> > > > > > > who thinks something is impossible these are they who

> does

> > > > > impossible.

> > > > > > > One get 100 percentile in Cat, whereas rest may think

> that's

> > > > > impossible,

> > > > > > > why we have become like this....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > why we tend to forget what is already told to us in

> > > Upnishads,

> > > > > Why we

> > > > > > > feel secured in creating virtual limis around us to keep

> us

> > > > > imprisioned.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As regards stopping rapes, My failure was my I could not

> keep

> > > the

> > > > > > > consistancy in insistance to mother divine,like i had in

> > > early

> > > > > 2006, In

> > > > > > > last group, First time, in March 2006, I told about the

> rapes

> > > > > getting

> > > > > > > stopped, I had tremendous pressure on my head and the way

> I

> > > got

> > > > > > > disturbed by Girls, consistancy of will power got reduced

> > > > > gradually,

> > > > > > > Still, 2006 was the year with least rape count in Delhi.

> If

> > > one

> > > > > man who

> > > > > > > is most ordinary like just next guy on the street could

> do

> > > this

> > > > > much,

> > > > > > > why evolved people like u or others cant do, I just

> wanted to

> > > > > show, what

> > > > > > > can be done, what is the potential God may give to one

> > > individual.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And what it takes, hardly a feeling like God. Let's dont

> > > forget

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > godhood.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup

> Krishen

> > > > > Baqaya "

> > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes Lalit you are the founder of all

> > > spirituality,Ramakrishna

> > > > > > > > incarnate,Vivekananda incarnate,etc etc,the person who

> > > stopped

> > > > > third

> > > > > > > > world war from happening,the person who stopped all

> rapes

> > > in

> > > > > Delhi,the

> > > > > > > > person who has turned this hell of a world into

> heaven.My

> > > > > sashtang

> > > > > > > > dhandvat pranam to you.--- In

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> litsol@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Feeling like God is the first step in spirituality, A

> joy

> > > > > that no

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > activity or achievement can give to you, otherwise

> you

> > > never

> > > > > feel

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > plesure of knowing what u r, you spend whole life

> > > wondering

> > > > > what u

> > > > > > > r.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Second step is to Feel next person is also like God,

> just

> > > like

> > > > > > > you...

> > > > > > > > > then the joy grows multiple times.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup

> > > Krishen

> > > > > > > Baqaya "

> > > > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Must say you are great.You can never admit that you

> are

> > > > > > > wrong.Probably

> > > > > > > > > > you think u r God.

> > > > > > > > > > They may not have died for Sadaam but their death

> is

> > > the

> > > > > direct

> > > > > > > result

> > > > > > > > > > of what happened to Sadaam since it was Sadaam's

> > > execution

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > led

> > > > > > > > > > to the sunni shia conflicts.The invasion took place

> > > only

> > > > > because

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > US wanted to remove Sadaam and hoist a puppet Govt

> in

> > > Iraq.

> > > > > > > > > > I am surprised when even now u say that my

> perception

> > > was

> > > > > wrong.I

> > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > said that after the execution of Sadaam Iraq will

> never

> > > be

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > peace.And that is what has happened.I don't know

> what

> > > more

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > wanted

> > > > > > > > > > from me.All i can say is that ur standards of truth

> are

> > > > > different

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > urself than others. Rup--- In

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > litsol@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sir, doesn't say that they died for Saddam,

> Iraq

> > > has

> > > > > been a

> > > > > > > > > > > troubled state after the invasion, it's wrong to

> > > > > attribute the

> > > > > > > tally

> > > > > > > > > > > to Saddam's death, there is no significance of

> his

> > > death

> > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > as you perceived, will be never untill the

> world's

> > > > > political

> > > > > > > > > scenario

> > > > > > > > > > > remains like it is today.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> Rup

> > > > > Baqaya

> > > > > > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rup Baqaya (baqayarup@) has sent you a news

> article.

> > > > > > > > > > > > (Email address has not been verified.)

> > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------

> ----

> > > ----

> > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > > Personal message:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > And someone was telling the group that he was

> right

> > > > > when he

> > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > that nothing will happen in Iraq after Saddam's

> > > death.I

> > > > > don't

> > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > whether the worthy wanted Iraq to explode in one

> > > day.What

> > > > > kind

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > intellect is this which thinks nothing of 151000

> > > deaths.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 151,000 Iraqis killed since U.S.-led invasion:

> WHO -

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > News

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > http://news./s/nm/20080110/wl_nm/iraq_deaths_survey_dc

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > ============================================================

> > > > > > > > > > > > News

> > > > > > > > > > > > http://news./

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 11, 2008

Dear Sir,

I never meant to hurt u or any one in any case, but will tell u abt

the missing link and that is the world is not run by Pujas but by

God, but if u do puja and sadhana, U come near the God, I mean u feel

ur forgotten Godhood in ur daily life, if u feel like this, U dont

care so many things that make u weak otherwise, u overcome so many

greediness, selfishness and u dont come under any pressure or

impression etc. then there is no one like an Icon for u, all are like

u only, u dont feel someone is bigger or lower than u.

If u do puja or sadhana, u indirectly and unknowingly become a tool

to solve problems people face around u. this way puja works.

Last month when i went to recive my parents at New Delhi Railway

Station, there was a poor lady and his son, looks belong to NE region

of India, her son threw some water on the plateform and she shouted

on him, suddenly one polician comes and misbehaves with her, no one

says anything .. all are observing, what is the fear ? lady replies

to the polician, and that polician starts beeting up the lady, It was

happening at 5.30 PM in the main plateform, All were silent, why ? I

look around, Only I goto polician to stop him, And he stops, he says

some odd words to me, but I warn him to do a complain, He immediately

changes, What drives to me to do this, why nobody, not a single

person do this, there were better people than me in both health and

intellect and resourceful. but who has courage and will, somebody is

beeting a innocent women and her kid and u r trapped in ur

sophisticated world.

Feeling ur Godhood develops ur personality and u behave like a

developed human being. We should behave and feel like human being in

essence, where i m wrong .. pls. tell me.

God also cares us, those days, when i didnt know this, i used to get

worried easily, I did do tricks to keep me secured, those were the

days when saturn's aspect on moon was true, now i have overcome this

coz I see mother all around me. I want to tell every body, same

mother divine is there for them also, why to get frustrate and loose

personality, This is not Ego but rejection of Ego which helps only in

becoming Good Human Being, and only spirituality can make one a good

human being for his entire life coz only spirituality tells u " You ar

a complete entity .... Upnishads have said it thousands years back,

rest world says .... no one is complete " , this is the contrast

between 2 approaches.

And on the other, You told about ur horoscope and birth details last

weak only, How i w'd know this 2 months back. and on the software,

If u go precisely, U will see, the dasa results that my software

gives are somewhat more than the plain copy of Parashara's sukschhma

dasha results, to some extent planet's position in the chart is also

included. I have seen it comes true around 80% of the cases, Pls.

check the same what has come for u in next 4 months, this way only we

can verify it before rejecting any thing outright.

Regarding pakistan, i felt Benzir's death will be a boon for pakistan

and their people. women get strnegth and we will see a better

pakistan. I dont know where i m wrong in these things.

But i do mistakes, hundreds of the mistakes, I will alawys admit.

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen Baqaya "

<baqayarup wrote:

>

> I have not taken you wrongly at all Lalit.I have just given a few

> examples of when you have been wrong only to teach you that do not

> think you are always correct.You must appreciate that you are also

> human like all of us and prone to err.But what is strange about you

is

> that you never admit your mistakes.Like Ricky Ponting,even when it

is

> obvious that you have made a glaring mistake you keep on insisting

> that you are right.This is my observation not once or twice but on

> many many occasions.Another thing is that you never care a hoot

about

> other people's opinions when these are contrary to yours.Your

attitude

> generally is something like that you know everything or you can

get

> anything done,even move mountains with ur poojas or

spirituality.Just

> to give another example,when we met the other day i simply said that

> after Benazir'z death there is likely to be great turmoil in

> Pakistan.Now this was not a foolish statement or something.It is

> entirely possible.There could be long term consequences.The Bhutto

> family has lost many of its scions in the politics of Pakistan and

> this would have resulted in long term enemity in families and

between

> the Punjabi and Sindhi communities.So the statement needed to be

> considered in the light of all this.If at all you did not agree with

> it the right behaviour would be to weigh all the

possiblities,discuss

> all pros and cons and then tell ur conclusions.However ur response

was

> in one line;without batting an eyelid you said something like that

you

> have performed some pooja and you are sure nothing will happen in

> Pakistan.This not only irritates the other person but also makes you

> look mad.Do you think the whole world runs on ur poojas.Do u really

> believe it.How is it possible.Do solutions to all problems come from

> poojas.If so then there would have been no need to work,for food

would

> be produced by performing poojas,wars would be won by performing

> poojas etc.But it is not so.So wake up man,don't act and behave

like a

> kid.Don't you remember what Steve Waugh said when told that Saurabh

> Ganguly is getting many poojas done to win the world cup final.He

said

> that may be he is getting the poojas done but i don't see how that

> will help his team play better cricket.Ok?Hope you get my point.

> In your post you have mentioned that what you said about my

health

> was without seeing the horoscope.Here also the fact is that you knew

> my horoscope and u very well knew that my lord of ascendant Sun is

> placed in the ascendant itself in its own sign and in exalted

> navanmsha and it has no conjunction or aspect.Now anyone with even a

> little knowledge of astrology will understand that the health of

such

> a person will not easily spoil.However the fact is that your

> experience/knowledge of astrology is very little as yet.Please

> appreciate in this connection that you have started learning

astrology

> just since the last about two years.Please understand and appreciate

> that two years is no time to learn astrology.I have been doing

> astrology for 25 years and there are many things i don't

know.Chandra

> has even more experience and even he does not know all.Your problem

is

> that instead of genuinely learning the subject you always try to

keep

> on projecting that you know everything.Your aim seems to be more to

> impress others rather than learning.My request to you is to stop

> dreaming and be in touch with reallity.Please reallise that you are

a

> novice at astrology as yet and behave like that.The day you reallise

> and start doing that you will not only find that your confidence has

> increased but others will also start respecting you much more.

> Now let us close the discussion on this topic for others may be

> getting bored.Besides i think i have conveyed whatever i wanted to

> convey to you.With affection and regards Rup

> P.S. Just to tell you that what you have said about Sadaam not

being a

> respected figure in Iraq may also not be correct.You remember i took

> you to my uncle Shri C.L.Kaw's house when i was last in Delhi.You

will

> recall that he retired 13 years ago as Chairman of Railway

> Board.During his long service career he had a five year stint in

Iraq

> (he had Raahu in the 10th).He has told me that Sadaam was highly

> respected by many ppl in Iraq notwithstanding the fact that he was a

> ruthless and most feared dictator(for the reason that Iraq had made

> great progress under him).OK? Rup --- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > My best wishes to u to look more younger, It was in Sept or Oct -

> > 2007. You wanted to know what i feel for u,without watching ur

> > horoscope, I said 3 things -

> >

> > 1. Health will not be very good.

> > 2. You will get some profitable assignments or some monetary

gains in

> > couple of months.

> > 3. Amit's marriage may happen within a year.

> >

> > Where the curse come in between, I said what i felt, dont u

think, I

> > too want u to look more younger like us, rarely a person looks 45-

50

> > when he is 62+.

> >

> > I had no idea that u will take me wrong and that so deeply.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

Baqaya "

> > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Firstly charity begins at home.Secondly there is nothing

> > whatsoever

> > > to indicate that you are blessed.I mostly see the contrary.In

fact

> > > what i have noticed is that whatever you say or do always goes

> > > wrong(there are many other things too but i will not mention

them

> > > here).Iraq is not the only example.The other day you cursed me

that

> > i

> > > am going to fall sick and will look old with wrinkles

everywhere.To

> > my

> > > good luck and to the contrary my health has been improving by

leaps

> > > and bounds since then,so as to say that some ppl confuse me to

be in

> > > late forties that is at least fifteen years younger.Another

example

> > is

> > > about the astrology programme that you have been praising at

the

> > group

> > > saying that it is great.When i pointed out to you that the

> > programme

> > > is nothing but a copy of Parashara's dashaphala in your ego you

were

> > > not even prepared to accept this small fact which is easily

> > verifiable

> > > in a minute.My dear all i will say is that you are nothing but

> > > ego.Learn some humility first,learn to accept your

mistakes,learn to

> > > admit them,do ur astrology calmly without being in a tearing

hurry

> > > that you are always in and may be u will improve.Let God bless

> > you.

> > > Rup-- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > <litsol@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Again u r taking me wrong on two things -

> > > >

> > > > 1. I m no one to do any thing for any one else, every body

has

> > got

> > > > same place and privilage before God, Only thing that i tried

to

> > tell

> > > > that this is a true privilage, they have to do for

themselves,

> > > > divinity exists and works, whether u take it as miracle or as

> > > > reality, For me it's a reality, may be for others, it's a

> > miracle.

> > > > that what i said to happen in Jan 06, wrote to previous group

in

> > > > march 06, june 06, sept 06, and finally same came true in the

> > > > official records of Delhi Police, the reduction of rapes in

city.

> > for

> > > > me, it's an easily understandable example of practicality of

> > > > spirituality.

> > > >

> > > > 2. when u say about curse, what's that ... is that not a

worse

> > kind

> > > > of superstitiousness. this is the contrast within.

> > > >

> > > > But considering how long it has taken for me to remove my

doubts

> > on

> > > > this reality, I understand, may be for other people same may

take

> > > > years and years to perceive god's blessing in their life,

there

> > is no

> > > > wonder.

> > > >

> > > > That's why i decided to lead a life to same tone, get all

worldly

> > > > success and substance that most people yearn to get with so

many

> > > > tricks, greediness and selfishness, still, stand with a

> > difference.

> > > >

> > > > First thing is to understand the Gayatri Mantra, and chant it

> > from

> > > > within. Ask the God and feel - " Bhargo Devasya

Dheemahi .....

> > > > Prachodyaat " .

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

> > Baqaya "

> > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Making such foolish claims that you stopped the rapes in

> > Delhi or

> > > > > prevented the war from happening are themselves examples of

> > claims

> > > > of

> > > > > making miracles happen.These are obviously and patently

false

> > when

> > > > one

> > > > > sees that you cannot do even the smallest things for

yourself

> > or any

> > > > > other person that i know.What more examples are needed.Only

> > thing is

> > > > > that i am frank and helpful and so trying to tell you the

truth

> > > > with a

> > > > > view to help/improve you;whereas most others you know are

just

> > > > > watching from the sidelines and smiling like most worldly

ppl

> > will

> > > > do.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rup--- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls. try to define the miracle, that what u dont know and

> > happens

> > > > is

> > > > > > a miraculous happening for u, may be not same for the one

who

> > > > knows

> > > > > > it. extend ur belief or extend ur disbelief, u will see

there

> > is

> > > > > > nothing like miracle, pls. get an extension.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup

Krishen

> > > > Baqaya "

> > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > - I have heard this crap hundreds of times from

you.For me

> > the

> > > > > > > fountainhood of spirituality is a person who is

> > straightforward

> > > > > > > without any deviousness or cunning in him and helpful

to

> > all

> > > > without

> > > > > > > expecting anything in return.To me the persons who

promote

> > > > belief in

> > > > > > > miracles are mostly first grade cheats who befool the

> > public

> > > > either

> > > > > > > for personal gain or self glorification.More so I am of

the

> > firm

> > > > > > > opinion that this kind of belief in miracles has made

> > Indians

> > > > the

> > > > > > lazy

> > > > > > > ppl they are,for such thinking gives a tendency not to

make

> > much

> > > > > > > effort for anything.I thus hold the Godmen promoting

> > miracles

> > > > > > > responsible for the backwardness and poverty in the

country

> > and

> > > > as a

> > > > > > > consequence hate them.Period.No further arguments on

this

> > as

> > > > far as

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > am concerned.This is my firm and unshakeable belief.

> > > > > > > More so i am worried about you.Your flights of

imagination

> > are

> > > > only

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > the laughable stage now.However when saturn will come

to

> > > > scorpio

> > > > > > after

> > > > > > > about 7 to 8 years the results might be worse and u may

need

> > > > > > > counselling at that time.And remember this,i do not

curse

> > ppl

> > > > like

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > do,for curses are in a way like miracles and never

real.My

> > > > > > predictions

> > > > > > > are based on cold logic always. -- In

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > <litsol@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You look in quite good mood, but do u think hapening

so

> > or

> > > > being

> > > > > > so is

> > > > > > > > no way impossible.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Countless times countless individuals have explored

their

> > > > godhood

> > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > them, still it's a surprise, a wonder ? Why Sir.. You

> > have

> > > > > > studied more

> > > > > > > > than me, why u r so suprised at such things.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Do u think Being Vivek, or I mean, turning from Naren

to

> > > > Vivek is

> > > > > > > > unreal, But why only a Naren should turn to

be 'Vivek' ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls. look within you, a strong personality like you,

> > where

> > > > gets

> > > > > > > > confused.. what u have not got in life, still, why

signs

> > of

> > > > > > emptiness ..

> > > > > > > > in fact, it's a kind of self created wall, imaginary

wall

> > of

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > thoughts which may look justified, thoughts looking

> > practial

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > realistic being within this wall of thoughts we

refuse

> > to

> > > > see

> > > > > > beyond..

> > > > > > > > pls. look beyond. The imaginary wall has temptations.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I didnt turned the world scenario in 2000 - 2001,

but, it

> > was

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > intensive pain, the writhing that i undergone, is

noticed

> > by

> > > > > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > > > > Paramhansha, yes, it's true, He had that compassion,

He

> > did

> > > > that,

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > assured to change the world scenario coz there was a

> > young

> > > > man

> > > > > > with true

> > > > > > > > pain in his heart, the truth cant be turned, Like u I

> > never

> > > > > > believed it

> > > > > > > > may happen but within couple of days it was there,

Just

> > look

> > > > back

> > > > > > pls,

> > > > > > > > how helpless India was, facing all sort of bans, got

> > wounded

> > > > in

> > > > > > kargil,

> > > > > > > > had no visionary leadership but what happens,

suddenly,

> > ban

> > > > lifts,

> > > > > > > > wounded india's pain is noticed by the world when

they

> > get

> > > > > > somewhat

> > > > > > > > similar pain, Yes, I was there to ask Paramhansha to

> > change

> > > > the

> > > > > > world's

> > > > > > > > condition, to change the destiny, I also told him if

u

> > are

> > > > not

> > > > > > true, a

> > > > > > > > halucination, go away from here, I dont believe u,

But he

> > is

> > > > a

> > > > > > Guru, He

> > > > > > > > knows how is a kid, He loves us, He smiled, Said -

" be it

> > so,

> > > > > > World's

> > > > > > > > political scenario will change " , it changed, with no

> > friend

> > > > at

> > > > > > all, we

> > > > > > > > have freinds and we can win the war against the

> > terrorism. I

> > > > was

> > > > > > never

> > > > > > > > under the terific impression of Osama, I cant.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But why we individuals will not do their part, why

their

> > > > > > responsibility

> > > > > > > > should be taken by Gurus, These are they who become

Osama

> > and

> > > > > > these are

> > > > > > > > they who thinks One among them Like osama cant be

killed,

> > > > these

> > > > > > are they

> > > > > > > > who thinks something is impossible these are they who

> > does

> > > > > > impossible.

> > > > > > > > One get 100 percentile in Cat, whereas rest may think

> > that's

> > > > > > impossible,

> > > > > > > > why we have become like this....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > why we tend to forget what is already told to us in

> > > > Upnishads,

> > > > > > Why we

> > > > > > > > feel secured in creating virtual limis around us to

keep

> > us

> > > > > > imprisioned.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As regards stopping rapes, My failure was my I could

not

> > keep

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > consistancy in insistance to mother divine,like i had

in

> > > > early

> > > > > > 2006, In

> > > > > > > > last group, First time, in March 2006, I told about

the

> > rapes

> > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > stopped, I had tremendous pressure on my head and the

way

> > I

> > > > got

> > > > > > > > disturbed by Girls, consistancy of will power got

reduced

> > > > > > gradually,

> > > > > > > > Still, 2006 was the year with least rape count in

Delhi.

> > If

> > > > one

> > > > > > man who

> > > > > > > > is most ordinary like just next guy on the street

could

> > do

> > > > this

> > > > > > much,

> > > > > > > > why evolved people like u or others cant do, I just

> > wanted to

> > > > > > show, what

> > > > > > > > can be done, what is the potential God may give to

one

> > > > individual.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And what it takes, hardly a feeling like God. Let's

dont

> > > > forget

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > godhood.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup

> > Krishen

> > > > > > Baqaya "

> > > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes Lalit you are the founder of all

> > > > spirituality,Ramakrishna

> > > > > > > > > incarnate,Vivekananda incarnate,etc etc,the person

who

> > > > stopped

> > > > > > third

> > > > > > > > > world war from happening,the person who stopped all

> > rapes

> > > > in

> > > > > > Delhi,the

> > > > > > > > > person who has turned this hell of a world into

> > heaven.My

> > > > > > sashtang

> > > > > > > > > dhandvat pranam to you.--- In

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > litsol@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Feeling like God is the first step in

spirituality, A

> > joy

> > > > > > that no

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > activity or achievement can give to you,

otherwise

> > you

> > > > never

> > > > > > feel

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > plesure of knowing what u r, you spend whole life

> > > > wondering

> > > > > > what u

> > > > > > > > r.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Second step is to Feel next person is also like

God,

> > just

> > > > like

> > > > > > > > you...

> > > > > > > > > > then the joy grows multiple times.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup

> > > > Krishen

> > > > > > > > Baqaya "

> > > > > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Must say you are great.You can never admit that

you

> > are

> > > > > > > > wrong.Probably

> > > > > > > > > > > you think u r God.

> > > > > > > > > > > They may not have died for Sadaam but their

death

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > result

> > > > > > > > > > > of what happened to Sadaam since it was

Sadaam's

> > > > execution

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > led

> > > > > > > > > > > to the sunni shia conflicts.The invasion took

place

> > > > only

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > US wanted to remove Sadaam and hoist a puppet

Govt

> > in

> > > > Iraq.

> > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised when even now u say that my

> > perception

> > > > was

> > > > > > wrong.I

> > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > said that after the execution of Sadaam Iraq

will

> > never

> > > > be

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > peace.And that is what has happened.I don't

know

> > what

> > > > more

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > wanted

> > > > > > > > > > > from me.All i can say is that ur standards of

truth

> > are

> > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > urself than others. Rup--- In

> > > > > > > > > > >

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > litsol@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, doesn't say that they died for

Saddam,

> > Iraq

> > > > has

> > > > > > been a

> > > > > > > > > > > > troubled state after the invasion, it's wrong

to

> > > > > > attribute the

> > > > > > > > tally

> > > > > > > > > > > > to Saddam's death, there is no significance

of

> > his

> > > > death

> > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > as you perceived, will be never untill the

> > world's

> > > > > > political

> > > > > > > > > > scenario

> > > > > > > > > > > > remains like it is today.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > Rup

> > > > > > Baqaya

> > > > > > > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rup Baqaya (baqayarup@) has sent you a news

> > article.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (Email address has not been verified.)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------

----

> > ----

> > > > ----

> > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal message:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > And someone was telling the group that he

was

> > right

> > > > > > when he

> > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > that nothing will happen in Iraq after

Saddam's

> > > > death.I

> > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > whether the worthy wanted Iraq to explode in

one

> > > > day.What

> > > > > > kind

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > intellect is this which thinks nothing of

151000

> > > > deaths.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 151,000 Iraqis killed since U.S.-led

invasion:

> > WHO -

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > News

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

http://news./s/nm/20080110/wl_nm/iraq_deaths_survey_dc

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

============================================================

> > > > > > > > > > > > > News

> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://news./

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 12, 2008

I must say you are great.You conveniently avoid issues you cannot

reply and then keep on insisting you are always right.There never had

been any discussion between you and me about respect for Sadaam.I had

merely said that after Sadaam Iraq will be in turmoil.But ur problem

is that you must have the ultimate word.You cannot digest if somebody

else says something.So u had said no Iraq will be fine and u have

performed some pooja.To verify this all you have to do is to open the

message in this group where you made this tall claim about Iraq to

this group.In the message you have nowhere mentioned about respect for

Sadaam.Your habit of twisting tales just to prove you are always right

is unbecoming of a good human being.And you do this just because you

cannot admit even once that you are wrong.It is a further matter that

even this later argument of yours is wrong because ppl who have lived

in Iraq say that he was a respected figure.But here again you won't

agree,for you must have the last word.While indulging in all this

madness you don't even think that you cannot know more about Iraq than

ppl who have lived in Iraq.

You are also lying about not knowing my horoscope.My horoscope was

given in my earlier group and you joined that group more than two

years ago.More so my horoscope had been discussed many times there.I

am pained to see that you can lie so much just to tell ppl that you

are never wrong.

Your argument about Benazir is also irrelevant.How will women's rising

prevent the terrorism,arrests and killings that are taking place in

Pakistan after her death.You just keep on arguing for the sake of

arguing.Actually saturn seems to be playing havoc in ur life.Being

placed in taurus it has made you most obstinate and its aspect on the

deb moon makes you live in a world of dreams.

You just talk big words like sadhna,God etc.But in reallity you only

cater to ur ego and are incapable of any pooja or sadhna.You talk of

sadhna and pooja to improve the world,why can't you improve your own

life with ur sadhna.What about ur English.Therea re so many silly

mistakes of spelling and language in ur posts.Does not ur pooja help

you improve ur english?.Problem is that improving English means hard

work which you do not want to do,for you always want to take shelter

in ur pooja.I do not know what you mean by the word 'Polician' which

you ahve used hundreds of times in ur post.It looks funny and is found

in no dictionary of the world.

For proving the greatness of ur pooja you give such silly examples

that one can just but laugh.Does telling something to a mere police

constable make you great.Even a child can do it.I must ahve done it

millions of times but i do not claim myself to be a God for that.In

the past also you have given most silly examples like getting a lift

in a car,finding a public toilet when you needed it most to prove that

your pooja makes you great.Such things happen in the lives of all ppl

daily.They don't attribute it to pooja nor do they claim tto have

become Gods.

Anyway i had thought that this discussion may help you improve,but you

are incorrigible.I have no intention to continue with this discussion

anymore.In fact i had no intention to send this post also but somehow

i have some affection for you and i thought may be it can help give

you some guidance.But i now see that is impossible.Bye Rup-- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> I never meant to hurt u or any one in any case, but will tell u abt

> the missing link and that is the world is not run by Pujas but by

> God, but if u do puja and sadhana, U come near the God, I mean u feel

> ur forgotten Godhood in ur daily life, if u feel like this, U dont

> care so many things that make u weak otherwise, u overcome so many

> greediness, selfishness and u dont come under any pressure or

> impression etc. then there is no one like an Icon for u, all are like

> u only, u dont feel someone is bigger or lower than u.

>

> If u do puja or sadhana, u indirectly and unknowingly become a tool

> to solve problems people face around u. this way puja works.

>

> Last month when i went to recive my parents at New Delhi Railway

> Station, there was a poor lady and his son, looks belong to NE region

> of India, her son threw some water on the plateform and she shouted

> on him, suddenly one polician comes and misbehaves with her, no one

> says anything .. all are observing, what is the fear ? lady replies

> to the polician, and that polician starts beeting up the lady, It was

> happening at 5.30 PM in the main plateform, All were silent, why ? I

> look around, Only I goto polician to stop him, And he stops, he says

> some odd words to me, but I warn him to do a complain, He immediately

> changes, What drives to me to do this, why nobody, not a single

> person do this, there were better people than me in both health and

> intellect and resourceful. but who has courage and will, somebody is

> beeting a innocent women and her kid and u r trapped in ur

> sophisticated world.

>

> Feeling ur Godhood develops ur personality and u behave like a

> developed human being. We should behave and feel like human being in

> essence, where i m wrong .. pls. tell me.

>

> God also cares us, those days, when i didnt know this, i used to get

> worried easily, I did do tricks to keep me secured, those were the

> days when saturn's aspect on moon was true, now i have overcome this

> coz I see mother all around me. I want to tell every body, same

> mother divine is there for them also, why to get frustrate and loose

> personality, This is not Ego but rejection of Ego which helps only in

> becoming Good Human Being, and only spirituality can make one a good

> human being for his entire life coz only spirituality tells u " You ar

> a complete entity .... Upnishads have said it thousands years back,

> rest world says .... no one is complete " , this is the contrast

> between 2 approaches.

>

> And on the other, You told about ur horoscope and birth details last

> weak only, How i w'd know this 2 months back. and on the software,

> If u go precisely, U will see, the dasa results that my software

> gives are somewhat more than the plain copy of Parashara's sukschhma

> dasha results, to some extent planet's position in the chart is also

> included. I have seen it comes true around 80% of the cases, Pls.

> check the same what has come for u in next 4 months, this way only we

> can verify it before rejecting any thing outright.

>

> Regarding pakistan, i felt Benzir's death will be a boon for pakistan

> and their people. women get strnegth and we will see a better

> pakistan. I dont know where i m wrong in these things.

>

> But i do mistakes, hundreds of the mistakes, I will alawys admit.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen Baqaya "

> <baqayarup@> wrote:

> >

> > I have not taken you wrongly at all Lalit.I have just given a few

> > examples of when you have been wrong only to teach you that do not

> > think you are always correct.You must appreciate that you are also

> > human like all of us and prone to err.But what is strange about you

> is

> > that you never admit your mistakes.Like Ricky Ponting,even when it

> is

> > obvious that you have made a glaring mistake you keep on insisting

> > that you are right.This is my observation not once or twice but on

> > many many occasions.Another thing is that you never care a hoot

> about

> > other people's opinions when these are contrary to yours.Your

> attitude

> > generally is something like that you know everything or you can

> get

> > anything done,even move mountains with ur poojas or

> spirituality.Just

> > to give another example,when we met the other day i simply said that

> > after Benazir'z death there is likely to be great turmoil in

> > Pakistan.Now this was not a foolish statement or something.It is

> > entirely possible.There could be long term consequences.The Bhutto

> > family has lost many of its scions in the politics of Pakistan and

> > this would have resulted in long term enemity in families and

> between

> > the Punjabi and Sindhi communities.So the statement needed to be

> > considered in the light of all this.If at all you did not agree with

> > it the right behaviour would be to weigh all the

> possiblities,discuss

> > all pros and cons and then tell ur conclusions.However ur response

> was

> > in one line;without batting an eyelid you said something like that

> you

> > have performed some pooja and you are sure nothing will happen in

> > Pakistan.This not only irritates the other person but also makes you

> > look mad.Do you think the whole world runs on ur poojas.Do u really

> > believe it.How is it possible.Do solutions to all problems come from

> > poojas.If so then there would have been no need to work,for food

> would

> > be produced by performing poojas,wars would be won by performing

> > poojas etc.But it is not so.So wake up man,don't act and behave

> like a

> > kid.Don't you remember what Steve Waugh said when told that Saurabh

> > Ganguly is getting many poojas done to win the world cup final.He

> said

> > that may be he is getting the poojas done but i don't see how that

> > will help his team play better cricket.Ok?Hope you get my point.

> > In your post you have mentioned that what you said about my

> health

> > was without seeing the horoscope.Here also the fact is that you knew

> > my horoscope and u very well knew that my lord of ascendant Sun is

> > placed in the ascendant itself in its own sign and in exalted

> > navanmsha and it has no conjunction or aspect.Now anyone with even a

> > little knowledge of astrology will understand that the health of

> such

> > a person will not easily spoil.However the fact is that your

> > experience/knowledge of astrology is very little as yet.Please

> > appreciate in this connection that you have started learning

> astrology

> > just since the last about two years.Please understand and appreciate

> > that two years is no time to learn astrology.I have been doing

> > astrology for 25 years and there are many things i don't

> know.Chandra

> > has even more experience and even he does not know all.Your problem

> is

> > that instead of genuinely learning the subject you always try to

> keep

> > on projecting that you know everything.Your aim seems to be more to

> > impress others rather than learning.My request to you is to stop

> > dreaming and be in touch with reallity.Please reallise that you are

> a

> > novice at astrology as yet and behave like that.The day you reallise

> > and start doing that you will not only find that your confidence has

> > increased but others will also start respecting you much more.

> > Now let us close the discussion on this topic for others may be

> > getting bored.Besides i think i have conveyed whatever i wanted to

> > convey to you.With affection and regards Rup

> > P.S. Just to tell you that what you have said about Sadaam not

> being a

> > respected figure in Iraq may also not be correct.You remember i took

> > you to my uncle Shri C.L.Kaw's house when i was last in Delhi.You

> will

> > recall that he retired 13 years ago as Chairman of Railway

> > Board.During his long service career he had a five year stint in

> Iraq

> > (he had Raahu in the 10th).He has told me that Sadaam was highly

> > respected by many ppl in Iraq notwithstanding the fact that he was a

> > ruthless and most feared dictator(for the reason that Iraq had made

> > great progress under him).OK? Rup --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > My best wishes to u to look more younger, It was in Sept or Oct -

> > > 2007. You wanted to know what i feel for u,without watching ur

> > > horoscope, I said 3 things -

> > >

> > > 1. Health will not be very good.

> > > 2. You will get some profitable assignments or some monetary

> gains in

> > > couple of months.

> > > 3. Amit's marriage may happen within a year.

> > >

> > > Where the curse come in between, I said what i felt, dont u

> think, I

> > > too want u to look more younger like us, rarely a person looks 45-

> 50

> > > when he is 62+.

> > >

> > > I had no idea that u will take me wrong and that so deeply.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

> Baqaya "

> > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Firstly charity begins at home.Secondly there is nothing

> > > whatsoever

> > > > to indicate that you are blessed.I mostly see the contrary.In

> fact

> > > > what i have noticed is that whatever you say or do always goes

> > > > wrong(there are many other things too but i will not mention

> them

> > > > here).Iraq is not the only example.The other day you cursed me

> that

> > > i

> > > > am going to fall sick and will look old with wrinkles

> everywhere.To

> > > my

> > > > good luck and to the contrary my health has been improving by

> leaps

> > > > and bounds since then,so as to say that some ppl confuse me to

> be in

> > > > late forties that is at least fifteen years younger.Another

> example

> > > is

> > > > about the astrology programme that you have been praising at

> the

> > > group

> > > > saying that it is great.When i pointed out to you that the

> > > programme

> > > > is nothing but a copy of Parashara's dashaphala in your ego you

> were

> > > > not even prepared to accept this small fact which is easily

> > > verifiable

> > > > in a minute.My dear all i will say is that you are nothing but

> > > > ego.Learn some humility first,learn to accept your

> mistakes,learn to

> > > > admit them,do ur astrology calmly without being in a tearing

> hurry

> > > > that you are always in and may be u will improve.Let God bless

> > > you.

> > > > Rup-- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > <litsol@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Again u r taking me wrong on two things -

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. I m no one to do any thing for any one else, every body

> has

> > > got

> > > > > same place and privilage before God, Only thing that i tried

> to

> > > tell

> > > > > that this is a true privilage, they have to do for

> themselves,

> > > > > divinity exists and works, whether u take it as miracle or as

> > > > > reality, For me it's a reality, may be for others, it's a

> > > miracle.

> > > > > that what i said to happen in Jan 06, wrote to previous group

> in

> > > > > march 06, june 06, sept 06, and finally same came true in the

> > > > > official records of Delhi Police, the reduction of rapes in

> city.

> > > for

> > > > > me, it's an easily understandable example of practicality of

> > > > > spirituality.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. when u say about curse, what's that ... is that not a

> worse

> > > kind

> > > > > of superstitiousness. this is the contrast within.

> > > > >

> > > > > But considering how long it has taken for me to remove my

> doubts

> > > on

> > > > > this reality, I understand, may be for other people same may

> take

> > > > > years and years to perceive god's blessing in their life,

> there

> > > is no

> > > > > wonder.

> > > > >

> > > > > That's why i decided to lead a life to same tone, get all

> worldly

> > > > > success and substance that most people yearn to get with so

> many

> > > > > tricks, greediness and selfishness, still, stand with a

> > > difference.

> > > > >

> > > > > First thing is to understand the Gayatri Mantra, and chant it

> > > from

> > > > > within. Ask the God and feel - " Bhargo Devasya

> Dheemahi .....

> > > > > Prachodyaat " .

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

> > > Baqaya "

> > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Making such foolish claims that you stopped the rapes in

> > > Delhi or

> > > > > > prevented the war from happening are themselves examples of

> > > claims

> > > > > of

> > > > > > making miracles happen.These are obviously and patently

> false

> > > when

> > > > > one

> > > > > > sees that you cannot do even the smallest things for

> yourself

> > > or any

> > > > > > other person that i know.What more examples are needed.Only

> > > thing is

> > > > > > that i am frank and helpful and so trying to tell you the

> truth

> > > > > with a

> > > > > > view to help/improve you;whereas most others you know are

> just

> > > > > > watching from the sidelines and smiling like most worldly

> ppl

> > > will

> > > > > do.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rup--- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls. try to define the miracle, that what u dont know and

> > > happens

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > a miraculous happening for u, may be not same for the one

> who

> > > > > knows

> > > > > > > it. extend ur belief or extend ur disbelief, u will see

> there

> > > is

> > > > > > > nothing like miracle, pls. get an extension.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup

> Krishen

> > > > > Baqaya "

> > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > - I have heard this crap hundreds of times from

> you.For me

> > > the

> > > > > > > > fountainhood of spirituality is a person who is

> > > straightforward

> > > > > > > > without any deviousness or cunning in him and helpful

> to

> > > all

> > > > > without

> > > > > > > > expecting anything in return.To me the persons who

> promote

> > > > > belief in

> > > > > > > > miracles are mostly first grade cheats who befool the

> > > public

> > > > > either

> > > > > > > > for personal gain or self glorification.More so I am of

> the

> > > firm

> > > > > > > > opinion that this kind of belief in miracles has made

> > > Indians

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > lazy

> > > > > > > > ppl they are,for such thinking gives a tendency not to

> make

> > > much

> > > > > > > > effort for anything.I thus hold the Godmen promoting

> > > miracles

> > > > > > > > responsible for the backwardness and poverty in the

> country

> > > and

> > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > consequence hate them.Period.No further arguments on

> this

> > > as

> > > > > far as

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > am concerned.This is my firm and unshakeable belief.

> > > > > > > > More so i am worried about you.Your flights of

> imagination

> > > are

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > the laughable stage now.However when saturn will come

> to

> > > > > scorpio

> > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > about 7 to 8 years the results might be worse and u may

> need

> > > > > > > > counselling at that time.And remember this,i do not

> curse

> > > ppl

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > do,for curses are in a way like miracles and never

> real.My

> > > > > > > predictions

> > > > > > > > are based on cold logic always. -- In

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > <litsol@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You look in quite good mood, but do u think hapening

> so

> > > or

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > so is

> > > > > > > > > no way impossible.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Countless times countless individuals have explored

> their

> > > > > godhood

> > > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > them, still it's a surprise, a wonder ? Why Sir.. You

> > > have

> > > > > > > studied more

> > > > > > > > > than me, why u r so suprised at such things.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Do u think Being Vivek, or I mean, turning from Naren

> to

> > > > > Vivek is

> > > > > > > > > unreal, But why only a Naren should turn to

> be 'Vivek' ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pls. look within you, a strong personality like you,

> > > where

> > > > > gets

> > > > > > > > > confused.. what u have not got in life, still, why

> signs

> > > of

> > > > > > > emptiness ..

> > > > > > > > > in fact, it's a kind of self created wall, imaginary

> wall

> > > of

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > thoughts which may look justified, thoughts looking

> > > practial

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > realistic being within this wall of thoughts we

> refuse

> > > to

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > beyond..

> > > > > > > > > pls. look beyond. The imaginary wall has temptations.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I didnt turned the world scenario in 2000 - 2001,

> but, it

> > > was

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > intensive pain, the writhing that i undergone, is

> noticed

> > > by

> > > > > > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > > > > > Paramhansha, yes, it's true, He had that compassion,

> He

> > > did

> > > > > that,

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > assured to change the world scenario coz there was a

> > > young

> > > > > man

> > > > > > > with true

> > > > > > > > > pain in his heart, the truth cant be turned, Like u I

> > > never

> > > > > > > believed it

> > > > > > > > > may happen but within couple of days it was there,

> Just

> > > look

> > > > > back

> > > > > > > pls,

> > > > > > > > > how helpless India was, facing all sort of bans, got

> > > wounded

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > kargil,

> > > > > > > > > had no visionary leadership but what happens,

> suddenly,

> > > ban

> > > > > lifts,

> > > > > > > > > wounded india's pain is noticed by the world when

> they

> > > get

> > > > > > > somewhat

> > > > > > > > > similar pain, Yes, I was there to ask Paramhansha to

> > > change

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > world's

> > > > > > > > > condition, to change the destiny, I also told him if

> u

> > > are

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > true, a

> > > > > > > > > halucination, go away from here, I dont believe u,

> But he

> > > is

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > Guru, He

> > > > > > > > > knows how is a kid, He loves us, He smiled, Said -

> " be it

> > > so,

> > > > > > > World's

> > > > > > > > > political scenario will change " , it changed, with no

> > > friend

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > all, we

> > > > > > > > > have freinds and we can win the war against the

> > > terrorism. I

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > never

> > > > > > > > > under the terific impression of Osama, I cant.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But why we individuals will not do their part, why

> their

> > > > > > > responsibility

> > > > > > > > > should be taken by Gurus, These are they who become

> Osama

> > > and

> > > > > > > these are

> > > > > > > > > they who thinks One among them Like osama cant be

> killed,

> > > > > these

> > > > > > > are they

> > > > > > > > > who thinks something is impossible these are they who

> > > does

> > > > > > > impossible.

> > > > > > > > > One get 100 percentile in Cat, whereas rest may think

> > > that's

> > > > > > > impossible,

> > > > > > > > > why we have become like this....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > why we tend to forget what is already told to us in

> > > > > Upnishads,

> > > > > > > Why we

> > > > > > > > > feel secured in creating virtual limis around us to

> keep

> > > us

> > > > > > > imprisioned.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As regards stopping rapes, My failure was my I could

> not

> > > keep

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > consistancy in insistance to mother divine,like i had

> in

> > > > > early

> > > > > > > 2006, In

> > > > > > > > > last group, First time, in March 2006, I told about

> the

> > > rapes

> > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > stopped, I had tremendous pressure on my head and the

> way

> > > I

> > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > disturbed by Girls, consistancy of will power got

> reduced

> > > > > > > gradually,

> > > > > > > > > Still, 2006 was the year with least rape count in

> Delhi.

> > > If

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > man who

> > > > > > > > > is most ordinary like just next guy on the street

> could

> > > do

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > much,

> > > > > > > > > why evolved people like u or others cant do, I just

> > > wanted to

> > > > > > > show, what

> > > > > > > > > can be done, what is the potential God may give to

> one

> > > > > individual.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And what it takes, hardly a feeling like God. Let's

> dont

> > > > > forget

> > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > godhood.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup

> > > Krishen

> > > > > > > Baqaya "

> > > > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yes Lalit you are the founder of all

> > > > > spirituality,Ramakrishna

> > > > > > > > > > incarnate,Vivekananda incarnate,etc etc,the person

> who

> > > > > stopped

> > > > > > > third

> > > > > > > > > > world war from happening,the person who stopped all

> > > rapes

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > Delhi,the

> > > > > > > > > > person who has turned this hell of a world into

> > > heaven.My

> > > > > > > sashtang

> > > > > > > > > > dhandvat pranam to you.--- In

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > litsol@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Feeling like God is the first step in

> spirituality, A

> > > joy

> > > > > > > that no

> > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > activity or achievement can give to you,

> otherwise

> > > you

> > > > > never

> > > > > > > feel

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > plesure of knowing what u r, you spend whole life

> > > > > wondering

> > > > > > > what u

> > > > > > > > > r.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Second step is to Feel next person is also like

> God,

> > > just

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > you...

> > > > > > > > > > > then the joy grows multiple times.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup

> > > > > Krishen

> > > > > > > > > Baqaya "

> > > > > > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Must say you are great.You can never admit that

> you

> > > are

> > > > > > > > > wrong.Probably

> > > > > > > > > > > > you think u r God.

> > > > > > > > > > > > They may not have died for Sadaam but their

> death

> > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > result

> > > > > > > > > > > > of what happened to Sadaam since it was

> Sadaam's

> > > > > execution

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > led

> > > > > > > > > > > > to the sunni shia conflicts.The invasion took

> place

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > US wanted to remove Sadaam and hoist a puppet

> Govt

> > > in

> > > > > Iraq.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised when even now u say that my

> > > perception

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > wrong.I

> > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > said that after the execution of Sadaam Iraq

> will

> > > never

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > peace.And that is what has happened.I don't

> know

> > > what

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > wanted

> > > > > > > > > > > > from me.All i can say is that ur standards of

> truth

> > > are

> > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > urself than others. Rup--- In

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > litsol@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, doesn't say that they died for

> Saddam,

> > > Iraq

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > been a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > troubled state after the invasion, it's wrong

> to

> > > > > > > attribute the

> > > > > > > > > tally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to Saddam's death, there is no significance

> of

> > > his

> > > > > death

> > > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as you perceived, will be never untill the

> > > world's

> > > > > > > political

> > > > > > > > > > > scenario

> > > > > > > > > > > > > remains like it is today.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > Rup

> > > > > > > Baqaya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rup Baqaya (baqayarup@) has sent you a news

> > > article.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Email address has not been verified.)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------

> ----

> > > ----

> > > > > ----

> > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal message:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And someone was telling the group that he

> was

> > > right

> > > > > > > when he

> > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that nothing will happen in Iraq after

> Saddam's

> > > > > death.I

> > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whether the worthy wanted Iraq to explode in

> one

> > > > > day.What

> > > > > > > kind

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > intellect is this which thinks nothing of

> 151000

> > > > > deaths.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 151,000 Iraqis killed since U.S.-led

> invasion:

> > > WHO -

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > News

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> http://news./s/nm/20080110/wl_nm/iraq_deaths_survey_dc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ============================================================

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > News

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://news./

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 12, 2008

Dear Lalit,

I logged on after a gap of may weeks to . I am not

amazed too see the discussion in this thread. Though, I have no right

to enter in this issue but I am really a well wisher of you. You are

many a time under some illusion. You need some coonsultacy and you

must not avoid it now. You had already entered into discussions on

various useless issues with very poor arguments and it is not a good

sign for a healthy person.

But now you are trying to spit on sky. The result is obvious.

take care.

regards

sushil dikshit

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen Baqaya "

<baqayarup wrote:

>

> I must say you are great.You conveniently avoid issues you cannot

> reply and then keep on insisting you are always right.There never

had

> been any discussion between you and me about respect for Sadaam.I

had

> merely said that after Sadaam Iraq will be in turmoil.But ur problem

> is that you must have the ultimate word.You cannot digest if

somebody

> else says something.So u had said no Iraq will be fine and u have

> performed some pooja.To verify this all you have to do is to open

the

> message in this group where you made this tall claim about Iraq to

> this group.In the message you have nowhere mentioned about respect

for

> Sadaam.Your habit of twisting tales just to prove you are always

right

> is unbecoming of a good human being.And you do this just because you

> cannot admit even once that you are wrong.It is a further matter

that

> even this later argument of yours is wrong because ppl who have

lived

> in Iraq say that he was a respected figure.But here again you won't

> agree,for you must have the last word.While indulging in all this

> madness you don't even think that you cannot know more about Iraq

than

> ppl who have lived in Iraq.

> You are also lying about not knowing my horoscope.My horoscope was

> given in my earlier group and you joined that group more than two

> years ago.More so my horoscope had been discussed many times there.I

> am pained to see that you can lie so much just to tell ppl that you

> are never wrong.

> Your argument about Benazir is also irrelevant.How will women's

rising

> prevent the terrorism,arrests and killings that are taking place in

> Pakistan after her death.You just keep on arguing for the sake of

> arguing.Actually saturn seems to be playing havoc in ur life.Being

> placed in taurus it has made you most obstinate and its aspect on

the

> deb moon makes you live in a world of dreams.

> You just talk big words like sadhna,God etc.But in reallity you only

> cater to ur ego and are incapable of any pooja or sadhna.You talk of

> sadhna and pooja to improve the world,why can't you improve your own

> life with ur sadhna.What about ur English.Therea re so many silly

> mistakes of spelling and language in ur posts.Does not ur pooja help

> you improve ur english?.Problem is that improving English means hard

> work which you do not want to do,for you always want to take shelter

> in ur pooja.I do not know what you mean by the word 'Polician' which

> you ahve used hundreds of times in ur post.It looks funny and is

found

> in no dictionary of the world.

> For proving the greatness of ur pooja you give such silly examples

> that one can just but laugh.Does telling something to a mere police

> constable make you great.Even a child can do it.I must ahve done it

> millions of times but i do not claim myself to be a God for that.In

> the past also you have given most silly examples like getting a lift

> in a car,finding a public toilet when you needed it most to prove

that

> your pooja makes you great.Such things happen in the lives of all

ppl

> daily.They don't attribute it to pooja nor do they claim tto have

> become Gods.

> Anyway i had thought that this discussion may help you improve,but

you

> are incorrigible.I have no intention to continue with this

discussion

> anymore.In fact i had no intention to send this post also but

somehow

> i have some affection for you and i thought may be it can help give

> you some guidance.But i now see that is impossible.Bye Rup-- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > I never meant to hurt u or any one in any case, but will tell u

abt

> > the missing link and that is the world is not run by Pujas but by

> > God, but if u do puja and sadhana, U come near the God, I mean u

feel

> > ur forgotten Godhood in ur daily life, if u feel like this, U

dont

> > care so many things that make u weak otherwise, u overcome so

many

> > greediness, selfishness and u dont come under any pressure or

> > impression etc. then there is no one like an Icon for u, all are

like

> > u only, u dont feel someone is bigger or lower than u.

> >

> > If u do puja or sadhana, u indirectly and unknowingly become a

tool

> > to solve problems people face around u. this way puja works.

> >

> > Last month when i went to recive my parents at New Delhi Railway

> > Station, there was a poor lady and his son, looks belong to NE

region

> > of India, her son threw some water on the plateform and she

shouted

> > on him, suddenly one polician comes and misbehaves with her, no

one

> > says anything .. all are observing, what is the fear ? lady

replies

> > to the polician, and that polician starts beeting up the lady, It

was

> > happening at 5.30 PM in the main plateform, All were silent,

why ? I

> > look around, Only I goto polician to stop him, And he stops, he

says

> > some odd words to me, but I warn him to do a complain, He

immediately

> > changes, What drives to me to do this, why nobody, not a single

> > person do this, there were better people than me in both health

and

> > intellect and resourceful. but who has courage and will, somebody

is

> > beeting a innocent women and her kid and u r trapped in ur

> > sophisticated world.

> >

> > Feeling ur Godhood develops ur personality and u behave like a

> > developed human being. We should behave and feel like human being

in

> > essence, where i m wrong .. pls. tell me.

> >

> > God also cares us, those days, when i didnt know this, i used to

get

> > worried easily, I did do tricks to keep me secured, those were

the

> > days when saturn's aspect on moon was true, now i have overcome

this

> > coz I see mother all around me. I want to tell every body, same

> > mother divine is there for them also, why to get frustrate and

loose

> > personality, This is not Ego but rejection of Ego which helps

only in

> > becoming Good Human Being, and only spirituality can make one a

good

> > human being for his entire life coz only spirituality tells

u " You ar

> > a complete entity .... Upnishads have said it thousands years

back,

> > rest world says .... no one is complete " , this is the contrast

> > between 2 approaches.

> >

> > And on the other, You told about ur horoscope and birth details

last

> > weak only, How i w'd know this 2 months back. and on the

software,

> > If u go precisely, U will see, the dasa results that my software

> > gives are somewhat more than the plain copy of Parashara's

sukschhma

> > dasha results, to some extent planet's position in the chart is

also

> > included. I have seen it comes true around 80% of the cases, Pls.

> > check the same what has come for u in next 4 months, this way

only we

> > can verify it before rejecting any thing outright.

> >

> > Regarding pakistan, i felt Benzir's death will be a boon for

pakistan

> > and their people. women get strnegth and we will see a better

> > pakistan. I dont know where i m wrong in these things.

> >

> > But i do mistakes, hundreds of the mistakes, I will alawys admit.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

Baqaya "

> > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I have not taken you wrongly at all Lalit.I have just given a

few

> > > examples of when you have been wrong only to teach you that do

not

> > > think you are always correct.You must appreciate that you are

also

> > > human like all of us and prone to err.But what is strange about

you

> > is

> > > that you never admit your mistakes.Like Ricky Ponting,even when

it

> > is

> > > obvious that you have made a glaring mistake you keep on

insisting

> > > that you are right.This is my observation not once or twice but

on

> > > many many occasions.Another thing is that you never care a hoot

> > about

> > > other people's opinions when these are contrary to yours.Your

> > attitude

> > > generally is something like that you know everything or you

can

> > get

> > > anything done,even move mountains with ur poojas or

> > spirituality.Just

> > > to give another example,when we met the other day i simply said

that

> > > after Benazir'z death there is likely to be great turmoil in

> > > Pakistan.Now this was not a foolish statement or something.It is

> > > entirely possible.There could be long term consequences.The

Bhutto

> > > family has lost many of its scions in the politics of Pakistan

and

> > > this would have resulted in long term enemity in families and

> > between

> > > the Punjabi and Sindhi communities.So the statement needed to be

> > > considered in the light of all this.If at all you did not agree

with

> > > it the right behaviour would be to weigh all the

> > possiblities,discuss

> > > all pros and cons and then tell ur conclusions.However ur

response

> > was

> > > in one line;without batting an eyelid you said something like

that

> > you

> > > have performed some pooja and you are sure nothing will happen

in

> > > Pakistan.This not only irritates the other person but also

makes you

> > > look mad.Do you think the whole world runs on ur poojas.Do u

really

> > > believe it.How is it possible.Do solutions to all problems come

from

> > > poojas.If so then there would have been no need to work,for

food

> > would

> > > be produced by performing poojas,wars would be won by performing

> > > poojas etc.But it is not so.So wake up man,don't act and behave

> > like a

> > > kid.Don't you remember what Steve Waugh said when told that

Saurabh

> > > Ganguly is getting many poojas done to win the world cup

final.He

> > said

> > > that may be he is getting the poojas done but i don't see how

that

> > > will help his team play better cricket.Ok?Hope you get my point.

> > > In your post you have mentioned that what you said about my

> > health

> > > was without seeing the horoscope.Here also the fact is that you

knew

> > > my horoscope and u very well knew that my lord of ascendant Sun

is

> > > placed in the ascendant itself in its own sign and in exalted

> > > navanmsha and it has no conjunction or aspect.Now anyone with

even a

> > > little knowledge of astrology will understand that the health

of

> > such

> > > a person will not easily spoil.However the fact is that your

> > > experience/knowledge of astrology is very little as yet.Please

> > > appreciate in this connection that you have started learning

> > astrology

> > > just since the last about two years.Please understand and

appreciate

> > > that two years is no time to learn astrology.I have been doing

> > > astrology for 25 years and there are many things i don't

> > know.Chandra

> > > has even more experience and even he does not know all.Your

problem

> > is

> > > that instead of genuinely learning the subject you always try

to

> > keep

> > > on projecting that you know everything.Your aim seems to be

more to

> > > impress others rather than learning.My request to you is to stop

> > > dreaming and be in touch with reallity.Please reallise that you

are

> > a

> > > novice at astrology as yet and behave like that.The day you

reallise

> > > and start doing that you will not only find that your

confidence has

> > > increased but others will also start respecting you much more.

> > > Now let us close the discussion on this topic for others may be

> > > getting bored.Besides i think i have conveyed whatever i wanted

to

> > > convey to you.With affection and regards Rup

> > > P.S. Just to tell you that what you have said about Sadaam not

> > being a

> > > respected figure in Iraq may also not be correct.You remember i

took

> > > you to my uncle Shri C.L.Kaw's house when i was last in

Delhi.You

> > will

> > > recall that he retired 13 years ago as Chairman of Railway

> > > Board.During his long service career he had a five year stint

in

> > Iraq

> > > (he had Raahu in the 10th).He has told me that Sadaam was highly

> > > respected by many ppl in Iraq notwithstanding the fact that he

was a

> > > ruthless and most feared dictator(for the reason that Iraq had

made

> > > great progress under him).OK? Rup --- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > My best wishes to u to look more younger, It was in Sept or

Oct -

> > > > 2007. You wanted to know what i feel for u,without watching

ur

> > > > horoscope, I said 3 things -

> > > >

> > > > 1. Health will not be very good.

> > > > 2. You will get some profitable assignments or some monetary

> > gains in

> > > > couple of months.

> > > > 3. Amit's marriage may happen within a year.

> > > >

> > > > Where the curse come in between, I said what i felt, dont u

> > think, I

> > > > too want u to look more younger like us, rarely a person

looks 45-

> > 50

> > > > when he is 62+.

> > > >

> > > > I had no idea that u will take me wrong and that so deeply.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup Krishen

> > Baqaya "

> > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Firstly charity begins at home.Secondly there is nothing

> > > > whatsoever

> > > > > to indicate that you are blessed.I mostly see the

contrary.In

> > fact

> > > > > what i have noticed is that whatever you say or do always

goes

> > > > > wrong(there are many other things too but i will not

mention

> > them

> > > > > here).Iraq is not the only example.The other day you cursed

me

> > that

> > > > i

> > > > > am going to fall sick and will look old with wrinkles

> > everywhere.To

> > > > my

> > > > > good luck and to the contrary my health has been improving

by

> > leaps

> > > > > and bounds since then,so as to say that some ppl confuse me

to

> > be in

> > > > > late forties that is at least fifteen years younger.Another

> > example

> > > > is

> > > > > about the astrology programme that you have been praising

at

> > the

> > > > group

> > > > > saying that it is great.When i pointed out to you that the

> > > > programme

> > > > > is nothing but a copy of Parashara's dashaphala in your ego

you

> > were

> > > > > not even prepared to accept this small fact which is easily

> > > > verifiable

> > > > > in a minute.My dear all i will say is that you are nothing

but

> > > > > ego.Learn some humility first,learn to accept your

> > mistakes,learn to

> > > > > admit them,do ur astrology calmly without being in a

tearing

> > hurry

> > > > > that you are always in and may be u will improve.Let God

bless

> > > > you.

> > > > > Rup-- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > <litsol@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Again u r taking me wrong on two things -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. I m no one to do any thing for any one else, every

body

> > has

> > > > got

> > > > > > same place and privilage before God, Only thing that i

tried

> > to

> > > > tell

> > > > > > that this is a true privilage, they have to do for

> > themselves,

> > > > > > divinity exists and works, whether u take it as miracle

or as

> > > > > > reality, For me it's a reality, may be for others, it's a

> > > > miracle.

> > > > > > that what i said to happen in Jan 06, wrote to previous

group

> > in

> > > > > > march 06, june 06, sept 06, and finally same came true in

the

> > > > > > official records of Delhi Police, the reduction of rapes

in

> > city.

> > > > for

> > > > > > me, it's an easily understandable example of practicality

of

> > > > > > spirituality.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. when u say about curse, what's that ... is that not a

> > worse

> > > > kind

> > > > > > of superstitiousness. this is the contrast within.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But considering how long it has taken for me to remove my

> > doubts

> > > > on

> > > > > > this reality, I understand, may be for other people same

may

> > take

> > > > > > years and years to perceive god's blessing in their life,

> > there

> > > > is no

> > > > > > wonder.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That's why i decided to lead a life to same tone, get all

> > worldly

> > > > > > success and substance that most people yearn to get with

so

> > many

> > > > > > tricks, greediness and selfishness, still, stand with a

> > > > difference.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > First thing is to understand the Gayatri Mantra, and

chant it

> > > > from

> > > > > > within. Ask the God and feel - " Bhargo Devasya

> > Dheemahi .....

> > > > > > Prachodyaat " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup

Krishen

> > > > Baqaya "

> > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Making such foolish claims that you stopped the rapes

in

> > > > Delhi or

> > > > > > > prevented the war from happening are themselves

examples of

> > > > claims

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > making miracles happen.These are obviously and patently

> > false

> > > > when

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > sees that you cannot do even the smallest things for

> > yourself

> > > > or any

> > > > > > > other person that i know.What more examples are

needed.Only

> > > > thing is

> > > > > > > that i am frank and helpful and so trying to tell you

the

> > truth

> > > > > > with a

> > > > > > > view to help/improve you;whereas most others you know

are

> > just

> > > > > > > watching from the sidelines and smiling like most

worldly

> > ppl

> > > > will

> > > > > > do.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rup--- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > > " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls. try to define the miracle, that what u dont know

and

> > > > happens

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > a miraculous happening for u, may be not same for the

one

> > who

> > > > > > knows

> > > > > > > > it. extend ur belief or extend ur disbelief, u will

see

> > there

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > nothing like miracle, pls. get an extension.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup

> > Krishen

> > > > > > Baqaya "

> > > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > - I have heard this crap hundreds of times from

> > you.For me

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > fountainhood of spirituality is a person who is

> > > > straightforward

> > > > > > > > > without any deviousness or cunning in him and

helpful

> > to

> > > > all

> > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > expecting anything in return.To me the persons who

> > promote

> > > > > > belief in

> > > > > > > > > miracles are mostly first grade cheats who befool

the

> > > > public

> > > > > > either

> > > > > > > > > for personal gain or self glorification.More so I

am of

> > the

> > > > firm

> > > > > > > > > opinion that this kind of belief in miracles has

made

> > > > Indians

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > lazy

> > > > > > > > > ppl they are,for such thinking gives a tendency not

to

> > make

> > > > much

> > > > > > > > > effort for anything.I thus hold the Godmen

promoting

> > > > miracles

> > > > > > > > > responsible for the backwardness and poverty in the

> > country

> > > > and

> > > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > consequence hate them.Period.No further arguments

on

> > this

> > > > as

> > > > > > far as

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > am concerned.This is my firm and unshakeable belief.

> > > > > > > > > More so i am worried about you.Your flights of

> > imagination

> > > > are

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > the laughable stage now.However when saturn will

come

> > to

> > > > > > scorpio

> > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > about 7 to 8 years the results might be worse and u

may

> > need

> > > > > > > > > counselling at that time.And remember this,i do not

> > curse

> > > > ppl

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > do,for curses are in a way like miracles and never

> > real.My

> > > > > > > > predictions

> > > > > > > > > are based on cold logic always. -- In

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > <litsol@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You look in quite good mood, but do u think

hapening

> > so

> > > > or

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > so is

> > > > > > > > > > no way impossible.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Countless times countless individuals have

explored

> > their

> > > > > > godhood

> > > > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > > them, still it's a surprise, a wonder ? Why Sir..

You

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > studied more

> > > > > > > > > > than me, why u r so suprised at such things.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Do u think Being Vivek, or I mean, turning from

Naren

> > to

> > > > > > Vivek is

> > > > > > > > > > unreal, But why only a Naren should turn to

> > be 'Vivek' ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pls. look within you, a strong personality like

you,

> > > > where

> > > > > > gets

> > > > > > > > > > confused.. what u have not got in life, still,

why

> > signs

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > emptiness ..

> > > > > > > > > > in fact, it's a kind of self created wall,

imaginary

> > wall

> > > > of

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > thoughts which may look justified, thoughts

looking

> > > > practial

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > realistic being within this wall of thoughts we

> > refuse

> > > > to

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > beyond..

> > > > > > > > > > pls. look beyond. The imaginary wall has

temptations.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I didnt turned the world scenario in 2000 - 2001,

> > but, it

> > > > was

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > intensive pain, the writhing that i undergone, is

> > noticed

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > > > > > > Paramhansha, yes, it's true, He had that

compassion,

> > He

> > > > did

> > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > assured to change the world scenario coz there

was a

> > > > young

> > > > > > man

> > > > > > > > with true

> > > > > > > > > > pain in his heart, the truth cant be turned, Like

u I

> > > > never

> > > > > > > > believed it

> > > > > > > > > > may happen but within couple of days it was

there,

> > Just

> > > > look

> > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > pls,

> > > > > > > > > > how helpless India was, facing all sort of bans,

got

> > > > wounded

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > kargil,

> > > > > > > > > > had no visionary leadership but what happens,

> > suddenly,

> > > > ban

> > > > > > lifts,

> > > > > > > > > > wounded india's pain is noticed by the world when

> > they

> > > > get

> > > > > > > > somewhat

> > > > > > > > > > similar pain, Yes, I was there to ask Paramhansha

to

> > > > change

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > world's

> > > > > > > > > > condition, to change the destiny, I also told him

if

> > u

> > > > are

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > true, a

> > > > > > > > > > halucination, go away from here, I dont believe

u,

> > But he

> > > > is

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > Guru, He

> > > > > > > > > > knows how is a kid, He loves us, He smiled, Said -

> > " be it

> > > > so,

> > > > > > > > World's

> > > > > > > > > > political scenario will change " , it changed, with

no

> > > > friend

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > all, we

> > > > > > > > > > have freinds and we can win the war against the

> > > > terrorism. I

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > never

> > > > > > > > > > under the terific impression of Osama, I cant.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But why we individuals will not do their part,

why

> > their

> > > > > > > > responsibility

> > > > > > > > > > should be taken by Gurus, These are they who

become

> > Osama

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > these are

> > > > > > > > > > they who thinks One among them Like osama cant be

> > killed,

> > > > > > these

> > > > > > > > are they

> > > > > > > > > > who thinks something is impossible these are they

who

> > > > does

> > > > > > > > impossible.

> > > > > > > > > > One get 100 percentile in Cat, whereas rest may

think

> > > > that's

> > > > > > > > impossible,

> > > > > > > > > > why we have become like this....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > why we tend to forget what is already told to us

in

> > > > > > Upnishads,

> > > > > > > > Why we

> > > > > > > > > > feel secured in creating virtual limis around us

to

> > keep

> > > > us

> > > > > > > > imprisioned.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As regards stopping rapes, My failure was my I

could

> > not

> > > > keep

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > consistancy in insistance to mother divine,like i

had

> > in

> > > > > > early

> > > > > > > > 2006, In

> > > > > > > > > > last group, First time, in March 2006, I told

about

> > the

> > > > rapes

> > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > stopped, I had tremendous pressure on my head and

the

> > way

> > > > I

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > disturbed by Girls, consistancy of will power got

> > reduced

> > > > > > > > gradually,

> > > > > > > > > > Still, 2006 was the year with least rape count in

> > Delhi.

> > > > If

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > man who

> > > > > > > > > > is most ordinary like just next guy on the street

> > could

> > > > do

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > much,

> > > > > > > > > > why evolved people like u or others cant do, I

just

> > > > wanted to

> > > > > > > > show, what

> > > > > > > > > > can be done, what is the potential God may give

to

> > one

> > > > > > individual.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And what it takes, hardly a feeling like God.

Let's

> > dont

> > > > > > forget

> > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > godhood.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup

> > > > Krishen

> > > > > > > > Baqaya "

> > > > > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Yes Lalit you are the founder of all

> > > > > > spirituality,Ramakrishna

> > > > > > > > > > > incarnate,Vivekananda incarnate,etc etc,the

person

> > who

> > > > > > stopped

> > > > > > > > third

> > > > > > > > > > > world war from happening,the person who stopped

all

> > > > rapes

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Delhi,the

> > > > > > > > > > > person who has turned this hell of a world into

> > > > heaven.My

> > > > > > > > sashtang

> > > > > > > > > > > dhandvat pranam to you.--- In

> > > > > > > > > > >

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > litsol@

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Feeling like God is the first step in

> > spirituality, A

> > > > joy

> > > > > > > > that no

> > > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > activity or achievement can give to you,

> > otherwise

> > > > you

> > > > > > never

> > > > > > > > feel

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > plesure of knowing what u r, you spend whole

life

> > > > > > wondering

> > > > > > > > what u

> > > > > > > > > > r.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Second step is to Feel next person is also

like

> > God,

> > > > just

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > you...

> > > > > > > > > > > > then the joy grows multiple times.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Rup

> > > > > > Krishen

> > > > > > > > > > Baqaya "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Must say you are great.You can never admit

that

> > you

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > wrong.Probably

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you think u r God.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > They may not have died for Sadaam but their

> > death

> > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > direct

> > > > > > > > > > result

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of what happened to Sadaam since it was

> > Sadaam's

> > > > > > execution

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > led

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to the sunni shia conflicts.The invasion

took

> > place

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > US wanted to remove Sadaam and hoist a

puppet

> > Govt

> > > > in

> > > > > > Iraq.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised when even now u say that my

> > > > perception

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > wrong.I

> > > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > > said that after the execution of Sadaam

Iraq

> > will

> > > > never

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > peace.And that is what has happened.I don't

> > know

> > > > what

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > wanted

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from me.All i can say is that ur standards

of

> > truth

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > urself than others. Rup--- In

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > litsol@

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, doesn't say that they died for

> > Saddam,

> > > > Iraq

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > been a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > troubled state after the invasion, it's

wrong

> > to

> > > > > > > > attribute the

> > > > > > > > > > tally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Saddam's death, there is no

significance

> > of

> > > > his

> > > > > > death

> > > > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as you perceived, will be never untill

the

> > > > world's

> > > > > > > > political

> > > > > > > > > > > > scenario

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > remains like it is today.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > Rup

> > > > > > > > Baqaya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <baqayarup@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rup Baqaya (baqayarup@) has sent you a

news

> > > > article.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Email address has not been verified.)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------

----

> > ----

> > > > ----

> > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > ----

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal message:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And someone was telling the group that

he

> > was

> > > > right

> > > > > > > > when he

> > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that nothing will happen in Iraq after

> > Saddam's

> > > > > > death.I

> > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether the worthy wanted Iraq to explode

in

> > one

> > > > > > day.What

> > > > > > > > kind

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > intellect is this which thinks nothing of

> > 151000

> > > > > > deaths.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 151,000 Iraqis killed since U.S.-led

> > invasion:

> > > > WHO -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > News

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > http://news./s/nm/20080110/wl_nm/iraq_deaths_survey_dc

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > ============================================================

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > News

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://news./

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 13, 2008

Dear Sir,

What to say to you, if u read all ur mails in ur leisure time that u

posted to me, u will find how you are changed, and unknowingly much

frustration has crept into ur mind.

Some people fail to understand a person and a problem and are never

content, is becoz, such people grow up with an internal defect,that

is, their inability to think beyond the wine and women. These 2

things are immaterial to me, a situation when bad ovelaps good in

personality.

I have rejected these 2 along with ego,Yes, it's true that i m right

coz till date my cleaning process is continued.

With all ur arguments, you cant proove that Saddam's death has caused

an havoc to world, coz, there is no impact in the world, Pls. wait to

see, how, women empowerment changes the scene in pakistan.

I was not keen to improve my english typing, smart word processors

have impacted my typing, coz, they keep on correcting the spelling of

the words, But i will improve it now.