Re Matching Matters from Sunil

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Star-gazer's sweat futile?

 

Dear Sunil,

Good material. One wishes you had taken some more pains to present it neatly. Which is why I am prompting you to smooth out the creases here and there. It is unbearably clumsy. Pls put in more efforts at clear presentation. Or, the exercise is futile.

 

First let's take this:

 

if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya(widowhood),see the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in his naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars within two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage.What you mean is the navamsa dispositor of the 8th lord if the 8th is occupied by (naisargika) papa, right?

Thus if the navamsa dispositor is moon, widowhood (and not widowerhood) in 1st year, if mars in 2nd year, etc.

 

Socondly, your point 6, point 7 are really nonstarters as far as clarity and usability go.

 

6)Main considerations shud be given to 7th and 8th position of malefics

 

7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house in case of girls chart having malefics in 7th or 8th from concerned karakas.

You mean: to check if there are malefics in the 7th and 8th houses (Point 6)

If the girl's chart has malefics EITHER in 7th or 8th house, the boy's chart should have (one) malefic(s) in the 7th house. Or more than one? The implications of differeing number of malefics will remain, I suppose.

 

The rule provided by you under point 8 is well known -- benefic(s) in 9th will counter the evils of malefics in 7th-8th. But how do we apply that? There can be issues of Papasamya in a reverse way sometimes. Consider this. A female chart may not have any malefic in 7th or 8th house, not even malefic aspect. Yet the 9th house may have a natural malefic in it. What do we say? Do we check the lordship of the malefic in 9th. Now let's have it this way. The malefic in 9th is 7th lord. Let's make it even more unambiguous. The malefic is 7th and 2nd lord, which will mean the planet is Mars and the Asc is Libra. And further 7th is aspected by Venus, the 8th lord, though also the 1st lord.

 

So how do we go about the so-called Mangalya analysis here? 'Benefic-in-9th' -- which can offset 'malefic in 7th- 8th' -- is reversed here. In other words, malefic(s) in 9th and benefic (influence on) 7th-8th (say through aspect). The cancellation rule of benefic in 9th is very important when we are handling hses 7, 8.

 

Thirdly, your Point 2:

 

2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction

 

You mean from bhavas sucha as 8th, 7th, 4th, 12th, 2nd, 1st. Would you include the lords of these bhavas in these houses? This would mean: 8th lord being a malefic in 8th, 7th lord being a malefic in 7th, etc Now what about the quantum of reduction? What if as many as 3 or 4 out of these maritally fraught 6 bhavas have malefic house lords therein? There can be such horoscopes with such situations. The Jyotishi will have to look up for other maritally auspicious yogas, I suppose. This kind of exercise will lead to full-scale chart(s) analysis, or almost so.

 

Now come to Aanukulya. Securing Daivanukulyam is not practicable these days. I know few in the South would have the stamina to engage an astrologer up to all that. I remember late Santhanam vouching for the cowrie. But all that is confined to some climes. Fine?

 

Finally, I would touch upon what you refer to as Mana Puruthha. Yes, Kalidasa call Chittanukulyam (Chitta+aanukulyam). As in love marriage. If the human heart is privy to the secrets of destiny in the two lives concerned, so much for the star-gazer's sweat. For a while it seems chittanukulyam makes a mockery of this branch of astrology.

 

RK

 

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Hare ramakrishna

dear RK dash ji ,

 

thanks for reading it .

 

first i request u to use simple words for asking questions .

 

Then yes match making is not simple exercise it needs full scale chart analsysis .

 

No ficitious question cannot be entertained here . if more malefic s or more benefics all are chart centered questions ,it can get answeres based on chart only .

 

i was giving a very complicated subjuct into some pages .

 

And pracise makes perfect .Malefics in 9th will not support 8th house -the house of longitivity of marriage ,but depends on chart it can change .

 

as regrds prashna u cannot take it dont do it .I cannot say to doctor that cure me but i cannot take medicine .

 

if its confined to some locations in india ,still any body can avail it by paying for those who do astrology as a profession in ur word s those astrologers who does astro for a living .

 

hope this helps

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "arkaydash" <arkaydash wrote:>> Star-gazer's sweat futile? Dear Sunil, Good material. One wishes you> had taken some more pains to present it neatly. Which is why I am> prompting you to smooth out the creases here and there. It is> unbearably clumsy. Pls put in more efforts at clear presentation. Or,> the exercise is futile. First let's take this: if malefics r in 8th> house which can cause vaidhavya(widowhood),see the 8th lord and see in> whose house he attained in navamsa -in his naisargika dasa can giv the> effects.like moon within a year,mars within two year sun 50years> ,guru-18th years after marriage.> > What you mean is the navamsa dispositor of the 8th lord if the 8th is> occupied by (naisargika) papa, right? Thus if the navamsa dispositor is> moon, widowhood (and not widowerhood) in 1st year, if mars in 2nd year,> etc. Socondly, your point 6, point 7 are really nonstarters as far as> clarity and usability go. 6)Main considerations shud be given to 7th> and 8th position of malefics> 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house in case of> girls chart having malefics in 7th or 8th from concerned karakas.> You mean: to check if there are malefics in the 7th and 8th houses> (Point 6) If the girl's chart has malefics EITHER in 7th or 8th house,> the boy's chart should have (one) malefic(s) in the 7th house. Or more> than one? The implications of differeing number of malefics will remain,> I suppose. The rule provided by you under point 8 is well known --> benefic(s) in 9th will counter the evils of malefics in 7th-8th. But how> do we apply that? There can be issues of Papasamya in a reverse way> sometimes. Consider this. A female chart may not have any malefic in 7th> or 8th house, not even malefic aspect. Yet the 9th house may have a> natural malefic in it. What do we say? Do we check the lordship of the> malefic in 9th. Now let's have it this way. The malefic in 9th is 7th> lord. Let's make it even more unambiguous. The malefic is 7th and 2nd> lord, which will mean the planet is Mars and the Asc is Libra. And> further 7th is aspected by Venus, the 8th lord, though also the 1st> lord. So how do we go about the so-called Mangalya analysis here?> 'Benefic-in-9th' -- which can offset 'malefic in 7th- 8th' -- is> reversed here. In other words, malefic(s) in 9th and benefic (influence> on) 7th-8th (say through aspect). The cancellation rule of benefic in> 9th is very important when we are handling hses 7, 8. Thirdly, your> Point 2: 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv> reduction You mean from bhavas sucha as 8th, 7th, 4th, 12th, 2nd, 1st.> Would you include the lords of these bhavas in these houses? This would> mean: 8th lord being a malefic in 8th, 7th lord being a malefic in 7th,> etc Now what about the quantum of reduction? What if as many as 3 or 4> out of these maritally fraught 6 bhavas have malefic house lords> therein? There can be such horoscopes with such situations. The Jyotishi> will have to look up for other maritally auspicious yogas, I suppose.> This kind of exercise will lead to full-scale chart(s) analysis, or> almost so. Now come to Aanukulya. Securing Daivanukulyam is not> practicable these days. I know few in the South would have the stamina> to engage an astrologer up to all that. I remember late Santhanam> vouching for the cowrie. But all that is confined to some climes. Fine?> Finally, I would touch upon what you refer to as Mana Puruthha. Yes,> Kalidasa call Chittanukulyam (Chitta+aanukulyam). As in love marriage.> If the human heart is privy to the secrets of destiny in the two lives> concerned, so much for the star-gazer's sweat. For a while it seems> chittanukulyam makes a mockery of this branch of astrology. RK>

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RK Daa,

 

We all are expecting 2nd part of this wll written post.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " arkaydash "

<arkaydash wrote:

>

> Star-gazer's sweat futile? Dear Sunil, Good material. One wishes

you

> had taken some more pains to present it neatly. Which is why I am

> prompting you to smooth out the creases here and there. It is

> unbearably clumsy. Pls put in more efforts at clear presentation.

Or,

> the exercise is futile. First let's take this: if malefics r in

8th

> house which can cause vaidhavya(widowhood),see the 8th lord and

see in

> whose house he attained in navamsa -in his naisargika dasa can giv

the

> effects.like moon within a year,mars within two year sun 50years

> ,guru-18th years after marriage.

>

> What you mean is the navamsa dispositor of the 8th lord if the 8th

is

> occupied by (naisargika) papa, right? Thus if the navamsa

dispositor is

> moon, widowhood (and not widowerhood) in 1st year, if mars in 2nd

year,

> etc. Socondly, your point 6, point 7 are really nonstarters as

far as

> clarity and usability go. 6)Main considerations shud be given to

7th

> and 8th position of malefics

> 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house in case

of

> girls chart having malefics in 7th or 8th from concerned karakas.

> You mean: to check if there are malefics in the 7th and 8th houses

> (Point 6) If the girl's chart has malefics EITHER in 7th or 8th

house,

> the boy's chart should have (one) malefic(s) in the 7th house. Or

more

> than one? The implications of differeing number of malefics will

remain,

> I suppose. The rule provided by you under point 8 is well

known --

> benefic(s) in 9th will counter the evils of malefics in 7th-8th.

But how

> do we apply that? There can be issues of Papasamya in a reverse way

> sometimes. Consider this. A female chart may not have any malefic

in 7th

> or 8th house, not even malefic aspect. Yet the 9th house may have a

> natural malefic in it. What do we say? Do we check the lordship of

the

> malefic in 9th. Now let's have it this way. The malefic in 9th is

7th

> lord. Let's make it even more unambiguous. The malefic is 7th and

2nd

> lord, which will mean the planet is Mars and the Asc is Libra. And

> further 7th is aspected by Venus, the 8th lord, though also the 1st

> lord. So how do we go about the so-called Mangalya analysis here?

> 'Benefic-in-9th' -- which can offset 'malefic in 7th- 8th' -- is

> reversed here. In other words, malefic(s) in 9th and benefic

(influence

> on) 7th-8th (say through aspect). The cancellation rule of benefic

in

> 9th is very important when we are handling hses 7, 8. Thirdly,

your

> Point 2: 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv

> reduction You mean from bhavas sucha as 8th, 7th, 4th, 12th, 2nd,

1st.

> Would you include the lords of these bhavas in these houses? This

would

> mean: 8th lord being a malefic in 8th, 7th lord being a malefic in

7th,

> etc Now what about the quantum of reduction? What if as many as 3

or 4

> out of these maritally fraught 6 bhavas have malefic house lords

> therein? There can be such horoscopes with such situations. The

Jyotishi

> will have to look up for other maritally auspicious yogas, I

suppose.

> This kind of exercise will lead to full-scale chart(s) analysis, or

> almost so. Now come to Aanukulya. Securing Daivanukulyam is not

> practicable these days. I know few in the South would have the

stamina

> to engage an astrologer up to all that. I remember late Santhanam

> vouching for the cowrie. But all that is confined to some climes.

Fine?

> Finally, I would touch upon what you refer to as Mana Puruthha. Yes,

> Kalidasa call Chittanukulyam (Chitta+aanukulyam). As in love

marriage.

> If the human heart is privy to the secrets of destiny in the two

lives

> concerned, so much for the star-gazer's sweat. For a while it seems

> chittanukulyam makes a mockery of this branch of astrology. RK

>