Jyotish Remedies-to aavesh ji- chart of native enclosed- Chandrasekhar ji

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Hare Rama Krsna

Hraum Namah Adityaya

 

Respected Chandrasekhar ji,

Namaskar.

Thank you for your inputs. Did you mean Meena lagna because Dhanur lagna pushes back the time and the native is very sure that his mother said about sunset time.

I thought maybe Meena lagna would not be a fit as that would mean Lagnesh in 8th and the native is not doing well abroad.

I had forgotten to add that the native is accomplished in sports- athletics and cricket. He was the athletics champion at college(3+2) and captained his university all through his Degree/PG in Cricket and had received many laurels. He also represented his state in the Republic Day Parades in Delhi. In fact he said his PG study( seat, in Geology)was a sports quota seat.

 

What you have stated reg Matru Sukha and pitri sukha is absolutely right as the native's mother was not on good terms with him towards the end of her life and though she realised the truth(supposed misdemeanours attributed to him- sisters and younger brother are responsible as per native) but passed away even before she could reconcile and father has not given him a rightful share in the property dividing it between his two other sons- never did have good terms with father always).

 

Native has two younger sisters(one abroad) and two brothers-one elder and one younger to him.He does not enjoy harmonius relationships with his co-born.

 

What then indicates his tiffs/lack of understanding with his immediate boss(es) in homeland and abroad?

 

Do please elaborate.

 

Regards

Nalini

 

 

 

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekharVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Tuesday, 5 February, 2008 7:37:30 AMRe: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Jyotish Remedies-to aavesh ji- chart of native enclosed

 

Dear Nalini,That is an interesting chart, because lagna change within a few minutes. The general description of the jataka does seem to match the chart, barring the having faith in God and loss of temper. Rahu, Jupiter Moon combination is not very conducive for one to have firm faith in the matters indicated by the 9th bhava. Moon does cause the bhava indication to be variable. For loss of temper either the lagna or the 5th should have some connection with either Ketu or Mars.As to his not having attained the same position as when in motherland, perhaps we have to wait till his Venus dasha begins around October 2008. lagnesha in the 10th does indicate that the jataka will get fame through own efforts. There could however be a lack of matru and pitru sukha for the jataka.I would suggest checking for Dhanu lagna too.Chandrashekhar.nalini swamy wrote:

 

 

Hare Rama Krsna

Hraum Namah Adityaya

 

Aavesh ji,

Namaskar.

I am enclosing the chart, I have tried to atleast fit the rasi chart as the birthtime is not recorded but merely noted as about the time in the evening, time when lamps are lit as the native and his family did/do not have faith in astrology.

I can give a few facts about the native known/told to me:

He is very religious and has immense faith in Lord Venkateswara and while in India undertook pilgrimages to Tirupati once a month and uphill by foot.

He is a strict vegetarian, does not smoke, drink. The other Venusian activities I am not sure of/do not know.

Very short tempered and easily roused and is vicious(speech) when angry.

Suffers from Diabetes(from Sep/Oct 2005) and Hypertension.

Left India on 12th August 2004 and reached the place of present stay on 14th August. Facing severe hard ship professionally and financial to some extent( certainly much detrimental than in homeland, where he had lacked nothing) .

Native's fortunes rose after marriage and girl from a higher status.

The native's mother passed away in Dec 1998.

Likes children(all) very much, very playful and a cheerful countenance.

Looking forward to your observations and other learned, Chandrasekhar ji, and a learning experience to follow(for me).

 

Regards

Nalini

 

 

 

Nalini Swamy

 

aavesh t <aavesh_s (AT) (DOT) co.in>Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.comThursday, 31 January, 2008 10:52:15 PM[Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Jyotish Remedies-Nalini

 

 

Dear Nalini,

 

This is what I meant when I said fall from position.

 

Shani Maharaj can be very unsparing if one does not follow the Sattvic path or is overly ambitious !!

 

You can furnish the birth details of this person and we can discuss the role of Shani Maharaj in the 10th using this as a casestudy (Of course the decision to furnish the data is left to your discretion)

 

Regards,

 

aavesh

 

 

nalini swamy <nalini2818 > wrote:

 

 

Hare Rama Krsna

Respected Aavesh ji,

 

Namaskar.

Best wishes for your recovery.

Would'nt it make a difference if Shani Maharaj is the lagna lord?

I have a chart(un rectified and not very accurate birth time) where Shanishwar( He is the only planet/God/Celestia l Being who has a suffix- Eashwar other than Lord Shiva himself),lagnesh is in the 10th. The native worked hard even during childhood(9th and 10th classes) and after lot of suffering rose up in life to the position of Vice president in a Company. He relocated abroad and has never attained anything very remotely connected to his erstwhile status and has started in an entry level position.

I do hold a view of Dual lordship of Kumbha and vrishchika and in this chart, Rahu being stronger is the Lagna lord and is also involved in a Guru Chandala Yoga in the 9th, Tula with Chandra-6th lord.

Though Lagna changes sign I thought Kumbha more apt as he always did have problems with the boss(female too) and also reluctance to accept/submit to authority, arguments and fights-verbal.

Native's son (eldest) has not conformed to the family traditions and has gone against the family/culture/ norms.

Any thoughts?

Regards

Nalini

 

 

 

Nalini Swamy

 

aavesh t <aavesh_s (AT) (DOT) co.in>Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.comThursday, 31 January, 2008 10:18:24 PM[Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Jyotish Remedies

 

 

Dear Chandrashekarji,

 

Very important points that you have mentioned in your mail Sir.

 

Shani Maharaj in the 10th when alone (and unaspected) can bring about a severe downfall (as per Dr B.V. Raman's research)

 

Regards,

 

aavesh

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekh ar (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Sheevani,If you think I could throw some light on this, I am very happy.Take care,Chandrashekhar.sheevani147 wrote:

 

Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,Lovely views on Shani Maharaj.. much appreciated. . understanding the planets nature and intentions is the key issue..RegardsSheevaniVedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har wrote:>> Dear Aavesh,> > Yes that is true. I look at Shani in the following manner. Shani likes > his favorites to be bereft of ego and to keep low profile as he is > himself one who looks down and prefers darkness of night to light of the > day. So the polite ones and those able to put in great efforts in > achieving targets, with great patience are his favorites. When his > favorites stray from this path before bestowing his favour on them

he > brings them to ground and destroys their ego. He is called the great > planet in Linga Purana.> > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > aavesh t wrote:> > Namaskar Chandrashekarji, Nalini and others,> > > > _Chandrashekarji: _You have made a valid point Sir.> > > > _Lord Shiva is the overruler of Shani.Shani Maharaj is kind to > > devotees of Hanuman and Lord Shiva in my experience._> > > > Interestingly, Shani Maharaj favours people who are non covetous by > > nature and who help the poor and needy without expecting anything in > > return (which is rare in these times)> > > > Regards,> > > > aavesh> > > > > >> >> > */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har/ * wrote:> >> >

Dear Nalini, Aavesh, RK and others,> >> > If I may add my two cents worth to what is being said. We need to> > understand that Saturn being the brother of Yama the Dharma raj,> > it is his duty to cleanse us of our sins by balancing out our> > misdeeds of past life with sorrows in this life. that way he> > actually shows the path to salvation and also gives us the> > capacity to face calamities in life. So we should be grateful to> > him, for making us toe the line of Dharma.> >> > Chandrashekhar.> >> > nalini swamy wrote:> >> Hare Rama Krsna> >> Aavesh ji, RK ji, Dheeraj ji and all,> >> > >> Namaskar.> >> I would'nt dare attribute all suffering in mankind to Shani> >> Maharaj, only in those charts which have 'his stamp'- propensity>

>> for sorrow, gloom, suffering, as you rightly said directly> >> proportional to the accumulated( ing) Karma. It is just that He> >> being a disciplinarian and a hard task master accomplishes this> >> task more easily and readily.> >> My apologies if I had conveyed something other than what I> >> intended to.> >> Also right is how we react to suffering, karma, is again a major> >> factor, as pointed out by you, most people cry' why me' . But if> >> suffering is seen as cleansing of the karma we would say, Thank> >> God it is me, which is also relative to the 'evolution of the> >> soul' and its progress towards its Destiny. > >> Each to his/her own I would say...> >> Regards> >> Nalini> >> > >> // > >>>

>>> >> > >> aavesh t <aavesh_s@.. .>> >> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> >> Friday, 25 January, 2008 9:58:33 PM> >> [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Jyotish Remedies> >>> >> Namskar RKDa,Nalini, Dheeraj and Group,> >> > >> Dheeraj has raised a very importnat topic which has relevance in> >> the competitive world of today.> >> > >> The issue of 'Remedial measures in Jyotish' (Upayes)> >> > >> In my experience, Upayes C_ertainly

work_> >> > >> The criterion applicable here is to understand the working of Karma.> >> > >> _Karma can be divided into 'Dhrida' and 'Adridha' Karma in general._> >> _Upayes work on the Adridha Karma (Karma which can be changed by> >> efforts)_> >> > >> This is a huge subject in itself which requires thorough> >> understanding of Jyotish,Hindu Philosophy,Ayurveda and Yoga> >> > >> _Nalini :_You have made an interesting point vis-a-vis the> >> ability to bear sorrows.> >> > >> It would be wrong to blame 'Shani Maharaj' for all the sorrows> >> afflicting humankind today (Shani Maharaj is a teacher who metes> >> out sorrows in proportion to our Karmas)> >> > >> How we react to the sufferings is based on the

soulic development> >> of the individual> >> > >> I will continue after getting reactions on the above> >> > >> Regards,> >> > >> aavesh> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >

>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>

> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> >>> >> */nalini swamy <nalini2818>/* wrote:> >>> >> Hare Rama Krsna> >> Shree RK ji,> >> Namaskar.> >> Are you a lover of Greek (and Roman) tragedies as well??> >> I loved the tragedies of Seneca above all.. probably> >> proclivity of Shani Maharaj..> >> Wow what a world it(was addicted to Greek and Roman> >> literature since

childhood) was which I hated to give up but> >> had to after a while but not before taking it up for study> >> for my PG.> >> Coming to Jyotish, is it not very akin to the fear the Greeks> >> had for 'hubris' and punishment from Gods??> >> How and what could one do to dispel this fear of the planets???> >> Is there really a remedy for the 'karma; accumulated or is> >> the remedy more a strengthening of the' free will' to weather> >> the storm, be more prepared for the onslaught, cling for life> >> in the rapids, a respite from sinking into the bog..> >> How about the propensity of some 'charts' for suffering..> >> again a proclivity of Shani Maharaj?> >> When I used to live in Chennai, I sometimes wondered at the> >> pure laughter of my domestic help which

rang out sometimes in> >> the neighbour's house where she lived? > >> If difficulties form the soul boy, did she not have her fair> >> share then??> >> What is it then that gives that 'pure joy' ?It is not absence> >> of difficulties then..> >> it is something that emerges from inside which is irrelevent> >> to suffering, difficulties, penury, disease, worry?> >> Or was that contentment. . no no it could not be for she was> >> forever trying to make ends meet, poor mite!!!> >> Shani Maharaj even if he gives suffering also tempers the> >> 'steel' and also insulates it so that further shocks do not> >> break the core.Who knows he may even make the native a sucker> >> for 'tragedies' preparing him/her to 'enjoy' the tragedies> >> that life may

unfold. I am not being flippant here but> >> probably better replace 'enjoy' with 'grin and bear'.> >> I would love to participate in this thread if I may, and> >> sorry RK ji, for intruding..> >> > >> Regards> >> Nalini> >> > >>> >>> >> > >> rk dash <arkaydash (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> >> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> >> Friday, 25 January, 2008 4:23:22 AM> >> Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] remedy experiences> >> ---litsol> >>> >> Considerable idea, Shree Dheeraj.> >> We hope we should be able to organise this kind of

discussion> >> here. The very fact of remedy being a source of ware-hawking> >> is sort of preventing as much quality discussion of the> >> discipline as we should be doing. 'Remdial jyotish' has,> >> ironically, poked The Eye of Knowledge in its very eyes. I> >> mean even non-remedial astrology has contracted the craze for> >> happiness-shaping, like lifestyle-shaping. But there should> >> be room for some ways out of the whiplashes. Well, sometimes> >> karma unrolls that way.> >> > >> *A line by Seneca comes to mind: 'Difficulties strengthen the> >> mind, as does labour the body.' If we push the Western> >> classical drift further, we can say: Yes, difficulties form> >> the soul.*> >> ** > >> *But we need respite. Or do we need

a good time in the name> >> of absence of difficulties? Member Aavesh will add his> >> reflections to this thread.*> >> > >> RK> >>> >> > >> On 24/01/2008, *DHEERAJ KHOSLA* <khosladheeraj@ > >> <khosladheer aj> wrote:> >>> >> Namaste Litsol and others,> >>> >> Please do a study and research on> >> remedies of astrological combinations. i mean to say peoples> >> experiences about worships . Like curses - where a planet is> >> afflicted by two malefics or three malefics . how many> >> days ,> >> how many malas etc.. to get relief.> >>> >> How many

jataks in actual> >> life have experiences of betterment after performing> >> remedies.?> >>> >> IS really can we alter our> >> destiny?> >> How to do different remedies , depending> >> on intensity of afflictions rather doing zigzag mantras ?> >>> >> please give it a thought . a teamwork s required .> >>> >> thanks,> >> dheeraj> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Send instant messages to your online friends> >> http://au.messenger .> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> *With Best Wishes,*> >> ** > >> *aavesh*> >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

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Dear Nalini,

 

If his being born at evening time is correct then may be we keep Kumbha

lagna. Meena would mean sunset time but with Jupiter going to the 8th

bhava it would not indicate fame due to own efforts to the extent it

would with Kumbha lagna. With Dhanu lagna he would have had

Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga of high order indicating the fame again. But

then he would have to be born around noon.

 

His not having done too well abroad could have to do with Saturn, the

12th lord, being conjunct Gulika and also in aspect of Gulikadhipati

Mars. This is coupled with the fact that the dasha running till this

time is not conducive for very good results and that till recently

Jupiter was occupying the 10th bhava harming that bhava. I think the

earliest he can do better is when Mars shifts to the Cancer rasi,

thereby removing its aspect on Jupiter.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

nalini swamy wrote:

 

 

 

Hare Rama Krsna

Hraum Namah Adityaya

 

Respected Chandrasekhar ji,

Namaskar.

Thank you for your inputs. Did you mean

Meena lagna because Dhanur lagna pushes back the time  and the native

is very sure that his mother said about sunset time.

I thought maybe Meena lagna would not be a

fit as that would mean Lagnesh in 8th and the native is not doing well

abroad.

I had forgotten to add that the native is

accomplished in sports- athletics and cricket. He was the athletics

champion at college(3+2) and captained his university all through his

Degree/PG in Cricket and had received many laurels. He also represented

his state in the Republic Day Parades in Delhi. In fact he said his PG

study( seat, in Geology)was a sports quota seat.

 

What you have stated reg Matru Sukha and

pitri sukha is absolutely right as the native's mother was not on good

terms with him towards the end of her life and though she realised the

truth(supposed misdemeanours attributed to him- sisters and younger

brother are responsible as per native) but passed away even before she

could reconcile and father has not given him a rightful share in the

property dividing it between his two other sons- never did have good

terms with father always).

 

Native has two younger sisters(one abroad)

and two brothers-one elder and one younger to him.He does not enjoy

harmonius relationships with his co-born.

 

What then indicates his tiffs/lack of

understanding with his immediate boss(es) in homeland and abroad?

 

Do please elaborate.

 

Regards

Nalini

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Original Message ----

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar >

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Tuesday, 5 February, 2008 7:37:30 AM

Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Jyotish Remedies-to aavesh

ji- chart of native enclosed

 

 

Dear Nalini,

 

That is an interesting chart, because lagna change within a few

minutes. The general description of the jataka does seem to match the

chart, barring the having faith in God and loss of temper. Rahu,

Jupiter Moon combination is not very conducive for one to have firm

faith in the matters indicated by the 9th bhava. Moon does cause the

bhava indication to be variable. For loss of temper either the lagna or

the 5th should have some connection with either Ketu or Mars.

 

As to his not having attained the same position as when in motherland,

perhaps we have to wait till his Venus dasha begins around October

2008. lagnesha in the 10th does indicate that the jataka will get fame

through own efforts. There could however be a lack of matru and pitru

sukha for the jataka.

 

I would suggest checking for Dhanu lagna too.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

 

nalini swamy wrote:

 

 

 

Hare Rama Krsna

Hraum Namah Adityaya

 

Aavesh ji,

Namaskar.

I am enclosing the chart, I have tried to

atleast fit the rasi chart as the birthtime is not recorded but merely

noted as about the time in the evening, time when lamps are lit as the

native and his family did/do not have faith in astrology.

I can give a few facts about the native

known/told to me:

He is very religious and has immense faith

in Lord Venkateswara and while in India undertook pilgrimages to

Tirupati once a month and uphill by foot.

He is a strict vegetarian, does not smoke,

drink. The other Venusian activities I am not sure of/do not know.

Very short tempered and easily roused and

is vicious(speech) when angry.

Suffers from Diabetes(from Sep/Oct 2005)

and Hypertension.

Left India on 12th August 2004 and reached

the place of present stay on 14th August. Facing severe hard ship

professionally and financial to some extent( certainly much detrimental

than in homeland, where he had lacked nothing) .

Native's fortunes rose after marriage and

girl from a higher status.

The native's mother passed away in Dec

1998.

Likes children(all) very much, very

playful and a cheerful countenance.

Looking forward to your observations and

other learned, Chandrasekhar ji, and a learning

experience to follow(for me).

 

Regards

Nalini 

 

 

 

 

Nalini Swamy

 

 

 

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aavesh t <aavesh_s (AT) (DOT) co.in>

Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

Thursday, 31 January, 2008 10:52:15 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Jyotish Remedies-Nalini

 

 

Dear Nalini,

 

This is what I meant when

I said fall from position.

 

Shani Maharaj can be

very unsparing if one does not follow the Sattvic path or is overly

ambitious !!

 

You can furnish the birth

details of this person and we can discuss the role of Shani Maharaj in

the 10th using this as a casestudy (Of course the decision to furnish

the data is left to your discretion)

 

Regards,

 

aavesh

 

 

 

 

nalini swamy <nalini2818 (AT) (DOT)

com> wrote:

 

 

Hare Rama Krsna

Respected Aavesh ji,

 

Namaskar.

Best wishes for your recovery.

Would'nt it make a difference if Shani

Maharaj is the lagna lord?

I have a chart(un rectified and not

very accurate birth time) where Shanishwar( He is the only

planet/God/Celestia l Being who has a suffix- Eashwar other than Lord

Shiva himself),lagnesh is in the 10th. The native worked hard even

during childhood(9th and 10th classes) and after lot of suffering rose

up in life to the position of Vice president in a Company. He relocated

abroad and has never attained anything very remotely connected to his

erstwhile status and has started in an entry level position.

I do hold a view of Dual lordship of

Kumbha and vrishchika and in this chart, Rahu being stronger is the

Lagna lord and is also involved in a Guru Chandala Yoga in the 9th,

Tula with Chandra-6th lord.

Though Lagna changes sign I thought

Kumbha more apt as he always did have problems with the boss(female

too) and also reluctance to accept/submit to authority, arguments and

fights-verbal.

Native's son (eldest) has not

conformed to the family traditions and has gone against the

family/culture/ norms.

Any thoughts?

Regards

Nalini

 

 

 

 

Nalini Swamy

 

 

 

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aavesh t <aavesh_s (AT) (DOT) co.in>

Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

Thursday, 31 January, 2008 10:18:24 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Jyotish Remedies

 

 

 

Dear Chandrashekarji,

 

Very important points that you have

mentioned in your mail Sir.

 

Shani Maharaj in the 10th when

alone (and unaspected) can bring about a severe downfall (as per Dr

B.V. Raman's research)

 

Regards,

 

aavesh

 

 

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekh ar (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

wrote:

Dear Sheevani,

 

If you think I could throw some light on this, I am very happy.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

sheevani147 wrote:

 

 

Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

 

Lovely views on Shani Maharaj.. much appreciated. . understanding the

planets nature and intentions is the key issue..

 

Regards

Sheevani

 

Vedic Astrologyandhe

aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashek har wrote:

>

> Dear Aavesh,

>

> Yes that is true. I look at Shani in the following manner. Shani

likes

> his favorites to be bereft of ego and to keep low profile as he is

 

> himself one who looks down and prefers darkness of night to light

of the

> day. So the polite ones and those able to put in great efforts in

> achieving targets, with great patience are his favorites. When his

 

> favorites stray from this path before bestowing his favour on them

 

he

> brings them to ground and destroys their ego. He is called the

great

> planet in Linga Purana.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> aavesh t wrote:

> > Namaskar Chandrashekarji, Nalini and others,

> >

> > _Chandrashekarji: _You have made a valid point Sir.

> >

> > _Lord Shiva is the overruler of Shani.Shani Maharaj is kind

to

> > devotees of Hanuman and Lord Shiva in my experience._

> >

> > Interestingly, Shani Maharaj favours people who are non

covetous

by

> > nature and who help the poor and needy without expecting

anything

in

> > return (which is rare in these times)

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > aavesh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har/ * wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nalini, Aavesh, RK and others,

> >

> > If I may add my two cents worth to what is being said. We

need to

> > understand that Saturn being the brother of Yama the Dharma

raj,

> > it is his duty to cleanse us of our sins by balancing out our

> > misdeeds of past life with sorrows in this life. that way he

> > actually shows the path to salvation and also gives us the

> > capacity to face calamities in life. So we should be grateful

 

to

> > him, for making us toe the line of Dharma.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > nalini swamy wrote:

> >> Hare Rama Krsna

> >> Aavesh ji, RK ji, Dheeraj ji and all,

> >>

> >> Namaskar.

> >> I would'nt dare attribute all suffering in mankind to

Shani

> >> Maharaj, only in those charts which have 'his stamp'-

propensity

> >> for sorrow, gloom, suffering, as you rightly said directly

> >> proportional to the accumulated( ing) Karma. It is just

that

He

> >> being a disciplinarian and a hard task master

accomplishes

this

> >> task more easily and readily.

> >> My apologies if I had conveyed something other than what I

> >> intended to.

> >> Also right is how we react to suffering, karma, is again

a

major

> >> factor, as pointed out by you, most people cry' why me' .

 

But if

> >> suffering is seen as cleansing of the karma we would say,

 

Thank

> >> God it is me, which is also relative to the 'evolution of

the

> >> soul' and its progress towards its Destiny.

> >> Each to his/her own I would say...

> >> Regards

> >> Nalini

> >>

> >> //

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> aavesh t <aavesh_s@..

..>

> >> Vedic Astrologyandhe

aling@ s.com

> >> Friday, 25 January, 2008 9:58:33 PM

> >> [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Jyotish Remedies

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> >> Namskar RKDa,Nalini, Dheeraj and Group,

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> >> Dheeraj has raised a very importnat topic which has

relevance in

> >> the competitive world of today.

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> >> The issue of 'Remedial measures in Jyotish' (Upayes)

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> >> In my experience, Upayes C_ertainly work_

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> >> The criterion applicable here is to understand the

working

of Karma.

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> >> _Karma can be divided into 'Dhrida' and 'Adridha' Karma

in

general._

> >> _Upayes work on the Adridha Karma (Karma which can be

changed by

> >> efforts)_

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> >> This is a huge subject in itself which requires thorough

> >> understanding of Jyotish,Hindu Philosophy,Ayurveda and

Yoga

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> >> _Nalini :_You have made an interesting point vis-a-vis the

> >> ability to bear sorrows.

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> >> It would be wrong to blame 'Shani Maharaj' for all the

sorrows

> >> afflicting humankind today (Shani Maharaj is a teacher

who

metes

> >> out sorrows in proportion to our Karmas)

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> >> How we react to the sufferings is based on the soulic

development

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> >> I will continue after getting reactions on the above

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> >> Regards,

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> >> */nalini swamy <nalini2818>/* wrote:

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> >> Hare Rama Krsna

> >> Shree RK ji,

> >> Namaskar.

> >> Are you a lover of Greek (and Roman) tragedies as well??

> >> I loved the tragedies of Seneca above all.. probably

> >> proclivity of Shani Maharaj..

> >> Wow what a world it(was addicted to Greek and Roman

> >> literature since childhood) was which I hated to give up

but

> >> had to after a while but not before taking it up for

study

> >> for my PG.

> >> Coming to Jyotish, is it not very akin to the fear the

Greeks

> >> had for 'hubris' and punishment from Gods??

> >> How and what could one do to dispel this fear of the

planets???

> >> Is there really a remedy for the 'karma; accumulated or

is

> >> the remedy more a strengthening of the' free will' to

weather

> >> the storm, be more prepared for the onslaught, cling for

life

> >> in the rapids, a respite from sinking into the bog..

> >> How about the propensity of some 'charts' for suffering..

> >> again a proclivity of Shani Maharaj?

> >> When I used to live in Chennai, I sometimes wondered at

the

> >> pure laughter of my domestic help which rang out

sometimes in

> >> the neighbour's house where she lived?

> >> If difficulties form the soul boy, did she not have her

fair

> >> share then??

> >> What is it then that gives that 'pure joy' ?It is not

absence

> >> of difficulties then..

> >> it is something that emerges from inside which is

irrelevent

> >> to suffering, difficulties, penury, disease, worry?

> >> Or was that contentment. . no no it could not be for she

was

> >> forever trying to make ends meet, poor mite!!!

> >> Shani Maharaj even if he gives suffering also tempers the

> >> 'steel' and also insulates it so that further shocks do

not

> >> break the core.Who knows he may even make the native a

sucker

> >> for 'tragedies' preparing him/her to 'enjoy' the

tragedies

> >> that life may unfold. I am not being flippant here but

> >> probably better replace 'enjoy' with 'grin and bear'.

> >> I would love to participate in this thread if I may, and

> >> sorry RK ji, for intruding..

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> >> Regards

> >> Nalini

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> >> rk dash <arkaydash (AT) gmail (DOT)

com>

> >> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> >> Friday, 25 January, 2008 4:23:22 AM

> >> Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] remedy

experiences

> >> ---litsol

> >>

> >> Considerable idea, Shree Dheeraj.

> >> We hope we should be able to organise this kind of

discussion

> >> here. The very fact of remedy being a source of ware-

hawking

> >> is sort of preventing as much quality discussion of the

> >> discipline as we should be doing. 'Remdial jyotish' has,

> >> ironically, poked The Eye of Knowledge in its very eyes.

I

> >> mean even non-remedial astrology has contracted the

craze for

> >> happiness-shaping, like lifestyle-shaping. But there

should

> >> be room for some ways out of the whiplashes. Well,

sometimes

> >> karma unrolls that way.

> >>

> >> *A line by Seneca comes to mind: 'Difficulties

strengthen the

> >> mind, as does labour the body.' If we push the Western

> >> classical drift further, we can say: Yes, difficulties

form

> >> the soul.*

> >> **

> >> *But we need respite. Or do we need a good time in the

name

> >> of absence of difficulties? Member Aavesh will add his

> >> reflections to this thread.*

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> >> RK

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> >> On 24/01/2008, *DHEERAJ KHOSLA* <khosladheeraj@

 

> >> <khosladheer

aj> wrote:

> >>

> >> Namaste Litsol and others,

> >>

> >> Please do a study and research on

> >> remedies of astrological combinations. i mean to say

peoples

> >> experiences about worships . Like curses - where a

planet is

> >> afflicted by two malefics or three malefics . how

many

> >> days ,

> >> how many malas etc.. to get relief.

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> >> How many jataks in actual

> >> life have experiences of betterment after performing

> >> remedies.?

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> >> IS really can we alter our

> >> destiny?

> >> How to do different remedies , depending

> >> on intensity of afflictions rather doing zigzag

mantras ?

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> >> please give it a thought . a teamwork s required .

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> >> thanks,

> >> dheeraj

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Hare Rama Krsna

Respected Chandrasekhar ji,

Namaskar.

Thank you for valuable observations. Yes, the birth time could not have been around noon(native's mother was very sure as birth had taken place at home and it was just about the time it was getting dark needing light and I did verify the time it normally was sunset during that time- September in those days..and as such Dhanur Lagna is not feasible).

But what is with the eldest son flouting traditions and customs of the family,going against the wishes etc. Could it be the yuti of Guru, Rahu and Chandra? The native has suffered emotional anguish on account of it. Could you highlight what are the results of such an yuti in the Venusian sign, with the arudha pada of 5th, 6th and 7th house falling there. The parivartana of Surya and Budha too(with ref to this chart) for my learning. How would that affect the 9th Bhava under the lordship of the then combust Sukra?

 

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Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekharVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Thursday, 7 February, 2008 6:52:00 AMRe: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Jyotish Remedies-to aavesh ji- chart of native enclosed- Chandrasekhar ji

 

Dear Nalini,If his being born at evening time is correct then may be we keep Kumbha lagna. Meena would mean sunset time but with Jupiter going to the 8th bhava it would not indicate fame due to own efforts to the extent it would with Kumbha lagna. With Dhanu lagna he would have had Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga of high order indicating the fame again. But then he would have to be born around noon.His not having done too well abroad could have to do with Saturn, the 12th lord, being conjunct Gulika and also in aspect of Gulikadhipati Mars. This is coupled with the fact that the dasha running till this time is not conducive for very good results and that till recently Jupiter was occupying the 10th bhava harming that bhava. I think the earliest he can do better is when Mars shifts to the Cancer rasi, thereby removing its aspect on Jupiter.Take care,Chandrashekhar.nalini swamy wrote:

 

 

Hare Rama Krsna

Hraum Namah Adityaya

 

Respected Chandrasekhar ji,

Namaskar.

Thank you for your inputs. Did you mean Meena lagna because Dhanur lagna pushes back the time and the native is very sure that his mother said about sunset time.

I thought maybe Meena lagna would not be a fit as that would mean Lagnesh in 8th and the native is not doing well abroad.

I had forgotten to add that the native is accomplished in sports- athletics and cricket. He was the athletics champion at college(3+2) and captained his university all through his Degree/PG in Cricket and had received many laurels. He also represented his state in the Republic Day Parades in Delhi. In fact he said his PG study( seat, in Geology)was a sports quota seat.

 

What you have stated reg Matru Sukha and pitri sukha is absolutely right as the native's mother was not on good terms with him towards the end of her life and though she realised the truth(supposed misdemeanours attributed to him- sisters and younger brother are responsible as per native) but passed away even before she could reconcile and father has not given him a rightful share in the property dividing it between his two other sons- never did have good terms with father always).

 

Native has two younger sisters(one abroad) and two brothers-one elder and one younger to him.He does not enjoy harmonius relationships with his co-born.

 

What then indicates his tiffs/lack of understanding with his immediate boss(es) in homeland and abroad?

 

Do please elaborate.

 

Regards

Nalini

 

 

 

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekh ar (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.comTuesday, 5 February, 2008 7:37:30 AMRe: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Jyotish Remedies-to aavesh ji- chart of native enclosed

 

Dear Nalini,That is an interesting chart, because lagna change within a few minutes. The general description of the jataka does seem to match the chart, barring the having faith in God and loss of temper. Rahu, Jupiter Moon combination is not very conducive for one to have firm faith in the matters indicated by the 9th bhava. Moon does cause the bhava indication to be variable. For loss of temper either the lagna or the 5th should have some connection with either Ketu or Mars.As to his not having attained the same position as when in motherland, perhaps we have to wait till his Venus dasha begins around October 2008. lagnesha in the 10th does indicate that the jataka will get fame through own efforts. There could however be a lack of matru and pitru sukha for the jataka.I would suggest checking for Dhanu lagna too.Chandrashekhar.nalini swamy wrote:

 

 

 

Hare Rama Krsna

Hraum Namah Adityaya

 

Aavesh ji,

Namaskar.

I am enclosing the chart, I have tried to atleast fit the rasi chart as the birthtime is not recorded but merely noted as about the time in the evening, time when lamps are lit as the native and his family did/do not have faith in astrology.

I can give a few facts about the native known/told to me:

He is very religious and has immense faith in Lord Venkateswara and while in India undertook pilgrimages to Tirupati once a month and uphill by foot.

He is a strict vegetarian, does not smoke, drink. The other Venusian activities I am not sure of/do not know.

Very short tempered and easily roused and is vicious(speech) when angry.

Suffers from Diabetes(from Sep/Oct 2005) and Hypertension.

Left India on 12th August 2004 and reached the place of present stay on 14th August. Facing severe hard ship professionally and financial to some extent( certainly much detrimental than in homeland, where he had lacked nothing) .

Native's fortunes rose after marriage and girl from a higher status.

The native's mother passed away in Dec 1998.

Likes children(all) very much, very playful and a cheerful countenance.

Looking forward to your observations and other learned, Chandrasekhar ji, and a learning experience to follow(for me).

 

Regards

Nalini

 

 

 

Nalini Swamy

 

aavesh t <aavesh_s (AT) (DOT) co.in>Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.comThursday, 31 January, 2008 10:52:15 PM[Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Jyotish Remedies-Nalini

 

Dear Nalini,

 

This is what I meant when I said fall from position.

 

Shani Maharaj can be very unsparing if one does not follow the Sattvic path or is overly ambitious !!

 

You can furnish the birth details of this person and we can discuss the role of Shani Maharaj in the 10th using this as a casestudy (Of course the decision to furnish the data is left to your discretion)

 

Regards,

 

aavesh

 

 

nalini swamy <nalini2818 > wrote:

 

 

Hare Rama Krsna

Respected Aavesh ji,

 

Namaskar.

Best wishes for your recovery.

Would'nt it make a difference if Shani Maharaj is the lagna lord?

I have a chart(un rectified and not very accurate birth time) where Shanishwar( He is the only planet/God/Celestia l Being who has a suffix- Eashwar other than Lord Shiva himself),lagnesh is in the 10th. The native worked hard even during childhood(9th and 10th classes) and after lot of suffering rose up in life to the position of Vice president in a Company. He relocated abroad and has never attained anything very remotely connected to his erstwhile status and has started in an entry level position.

I do hold a view of Dual lordship of Kumbha and vrishchika and in this chart, Rahu being stronger is the Lagna lord and is also involved in a Guru Chandala Yoga in the 9th, Tula with Chandra-6th lord.

Though Lagna changes sign I thought Kumbha more apt as he always did have problems with the boss(female too) and also reluctance to accept/submit to authority, arguments and fights-verbal.

Native's son (eldest) has not conformed to the family traditions and has gone against the family/culture/ norms.

Any thoughts?

Regards

Nalini

 

 

 

Nalini Swamy

 

aavesh t <aavesh_s (AT) (DOT) co.in>Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.comThursday, 31 January, 2008 10:18:24 PM[Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Jyotish Remedies

 

 

Dear Chandrashekarji,

 

Very important points that you have mentioned in your mail Sir.

 

Shani Maharaj in the 10th when alone (and unaspected) can bring about a severe downfall (as per Dr B.V. Raman's research)

 

Regards,

 

aavesh

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekh ar (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Sheevani,If you think I could throw some light on this, I am very happy.Take care,Chandrashekhar.sheevani147 wrote:

 

Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,Lovely views on Shani Maharaj.. much appreciated. . understanding the planets nature and intentions is the key issue..RegardsSheevaniVedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har wrote:>> Dear Aavesh,> > Yes that is true. I look at Shani in the following manner. Shani likes > his favorites to be bereft of ego and to keep low profile as he is > himself one who looks down and prefers darkness of night to light of the > day. So the polite ones and those able to put in great efforts in > achieving targets, with great patience are his favorites. When his > favorites stray from this path before bestowing his favour on them

he > brings them to ground and destroys their ego. He is called the great > planet in Linga Purana.> > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > aavesh t wrote:> > Namaskar Chandrashekarji, Nalini and others,> > > > _Chandrashekarji: _You have made a valid point Sir.> > > > _Lord Shiva is the overruler of Shani.Shani Maharaj is kind to > > devotees of Hanuman and Lord Shiva in my experience._> > > > Interestingly, Shani Maharaj favours people who are non covetous by > > nature and who help the poor and needy without expecting anything in > > return (which is rare in these times)> > > > Regards,> > > > aavesh> > > > > >> >> > */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har/ * wrote:> >> >

Dear Nalini, Aavesh, RK and others,> >> > If I may add my two cents worth to what is being said. We need to> > understand that Saturn being the brother of Yama the Dharma raj,> > it is his duty to cleanse us of our sins by balancing out our> > misdeeds of past life with sorrows in this life. that way he> > actually shows the path to salvation and also gives us the> > capacity to face calamities in life. So we should be grateful to> > him, for making us toe the line of Dharma.> >> > Chandrashekhar.> >> > nalini swamy wrote:> >> Hare Rama Krsna> >> Aavesh ji, RK ji, Dheeraj ji and all,> >> > >> Namaskar.> >> I would'nt dare attribute all suffering in mankind to Shani> >> Maharaj, only in those charts which have 'his stamp'- propensity>

>> for sorrow, gloom, suffering, as you rightly said directly> >> proportional to the accumulated( ing) Karma. It is just that He> >> being a disciplinarian and a hard task master accomplishes this> >> task more easily and readily.> >> My apologies if I had conveyed something other than what I> >> intended to.> >> Also right is how we react to suffering, karma, is again a major> >> factor, as pointed out by you, most people cry' why me' . But if> >> suffering is seen as cleansing of the karma we would say, Thank> >> God it is me, which is also relative to the 'evolution of the> >> soul' and its progress towards its Destiny. > >> Each to his/her own I would say...> >> Regards> >> Nalini> >> > >> // > >>>

>>> >> > >> aavesh t <aavesh_s@.. .>> >> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> >> Friday, 25 January, 2008 9:58:33 PM> >> [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Jyotish Remedies> >>> >> Namskar RKDa,Nalini, Dheeraj and Group,> >> > >> Dheeraj has raised a very importnat topic which has relevance in> >> the competitive world of today.> >> > >> The issue of 'Remedial measures in Jyotish' (Upayes)> >> > >> In my experience, Upayes C_ertainly

work_> >> > >> The criterion applicable here is to understand the working of Karma.> >> > >> _Karma can be divided into 'Dhrida' and 'Adridha' Karma in general._> >> _Upayes work on the Adridha Karma (Karma which can be changed by> >> efforts)_> >> > >> This is a huge subject in itself which requires thorough> >> understanding of Jyotish,Hindu Philosophy,Ayurveda and Yoga> >> > >> _Nalini :_You have made an interesting point vis-a-vis the> >> ability to bear sorrows.> >> > >> It would be wrong to blame 'Shani Maharaj' for all the sorrows> >> afflicting humankind today (Shani Maharaj is a teacher who metes> >> out sorrows in proportion to our Karmas)> >> > >> How we react to the sufferings is based on the

soulic development> >> of the individual> >> > >> I will continue after getting reactions on the above> >> > >> Regards,> >> > >> aavesh> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >

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> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> >>> >> */nalini swamy <nalini2818>/* wrote:> >>> >> Hare Rama Krsna> >> Shree RK ji,> >> Namaskar.> >> Are you a lover of Greek (and Roman) tragedies as well??> >> I loved the tragedies of Seneca above all.. probably> >> proclivity of Shani Maharaj..> >> Wow what a world it(was addicted to Greek and Roman> >> literature since

childhood) was which I hated to give up but> >> had to after a while but not before taking it up for study> >> for my PG.> >> Coming to Jyotish, is it not very akin to the fear the Greeks> >> had for 'hubris' and punishment from Gods??> >> How and what could one do to dispel this fear of the planets???> >> Is there really a remedy for the 'karma; accumulated or is> >> the remedy more a strengthening of the' free will' to weather> >> the storm, be more prepared for the onslaught, cling for life> >> in the rapids, a respite from sinking into the bog..> >> How about the propensity of some 'charts' for suffering..> >> again a proclivity of Shani Maharaj?> >> When I used to live in Chennai, I sometimes wondered at the> >> pure laughter of my domestic help which

rang out sometimes in> >> the neighbour's house where she lived? > >> If difficulties form the soul boy, did she not have her fair> >> share then??> >> What is it then that gives that 'pure joy' ?It is not absence> >> of difficulties then..> >> it is something that emerges from inside which is irrelevent> >> to suffering, difficulties, penury, disease, worry?> >> Or was that contentment. . no no it could not be for she was> >> forever trying to make ends meet, poor mite!!!> >> Shani Maharaj even if he gives suffering also tempers the> >> 'steel' and also insulates it so that further shocks do not> >> break the core.Who knows he may even make the native a sucker> >> for 'tragedies' preparing him/her to 'enjoy' the tragedies> >> that life may

unfold. I am not being flippant here but> >> probably better replace 'enjoy' with 'grin and bear'.> >> I would love to participate in this thread if I may, and> >> sorry RK ji, for intruding..> >> > >> Regards> >> Nalini> >> > >>> >>> >> > >> rk dash <arkaydash (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> >> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> >> Friday, 25 January, 2008 4:23:22 AM> >> Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] remedy experiences> >> ---litsol> >>> >> Considerable idea, Shree Dheeraj.> >> We hope we should be able to organise this kind of

discussion> >> here. The very fact of remedy being a source of ware-hawking> >> is sort of preventing as much quality discussion of the> >> discipline as we should be doing. 'Remdial jyotish' has,> >> ironically, poked The Eye of Knowledge in its very eyes. I> >> mean even non-remedial astrology has contracted the craze for> >> happiness-shaping, like lifestyle-shaping. But there should> >> be room for some ways out of the whiplashes. Well, sometimes> >> karma unrolls that way.> >> > >> *A line by Seneca comes to mind: 'Difficulties strengthen the> >> mind, as does labour the body.' If we push the Western> >> classical drift further, we can say: Yes, difficulties form> >> the soul.*> >> ** > >> *But we need respite. Or do we need

a good time in the name> >> of absence of difficulties? Member Aavesh will add his> >> reflections to this thread.*> >> > >> RK> >>> >> > >> On 24/01/2008, *DHEERAJ KHOSLA* <khosladheeraj@ > >> <khosladheer aj> wrote:> >>> >> Namaste Litsol and others,> >>> >> Please do a study and research on> >> remedies of astrological combinations. i mean to say peoples> >> experiences about worships . Like curses - where a planet is> >> afflicted by two malefics or three malefics . how many> >> days ,> >> how many malas etc.. to get relief.> >>> >> How many

jataks in actual> >> life have experiences of betterment after performing> >> remedies.?> >>> >> IS really can we alter our> >> destiny?> >> How to do different remedies , depending> >> on intensity of afflictions rather doing zigzag mantras ?> >>> >> please give it a thought . a teamwork s required .> >>> >> thanks,> >> dheeraj> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Send instant messages to your online friends> >> http://au.messenger .> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> *With Best Wishes,*> >> ** > >> *aavesh*> >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

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Dear Nalini,

 

The eldest son is represented by the 5th bhava. Its lord Mercury is

aspected by Saturn as well as its dispositor and Gulikaadhipati Mars.

Jupiter whose saving aspect could have kept the eldest under control is

afflicted by Rahu and his unadulterated graceful aspect is not

available to the 5th house. Additionally the 5th from 5th representing

the buddhi (intellect) of the eldest is occupied by Rahu, Guru and the

variable Chandra and th bhava itself is in Papakartari of Saturn and

Sun. It is all these factors together that give the nature of flouting

the traditions and customs of family to the eldest.

 

The Arudha pada of 5th, 6th and 7th falling in trine to the AL is not

all bad especially not the 5th and the 7th. But then I am an orthodox

astrologer who gives more weightage to the Bhavas themselves than only

the Arudhas. The Arudhas may actually be showing to others that the

eldest is on very good terms with the Jataka and their views must be

common. As you said that is far from the truth and we are seeking truth

here, so arudha analysis here may not be of much use, other than trying

to justify what is otherwise apparent.

 

Parivartana of Surya and Budha is indicative of both grahas acting as

if in own rasi. It also to me shows that the wife of the Jataka will be

devoted to him. There could have been some problems with the jataka's

mother, but I do not think that is relevant here.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

nalini swamy wrote:

 

 

 

Hare Rama Krsna

Respected Chandrasekhar ji,

Namaskar.

Thank you for valuable observations. Yes,

the birth time could not have been around noon(native's mother was

very sure as birth had taken place at home and it was just about the

time it was getting dark needing light and I did verify the time it

normally was sunset during that time- September in those days..and

as such Dhanur Lagna is not feasible).

But what is with the eldest son flouting

traditions and customs of the family,going against the wishes etc.

Could it be the yuti of Guru, Rahu and Chandra? The native has suffered

emotional anguish on account of it. Could you highlight what are the

results of such an yuti  in the Venusian sign, with the arudha pada of

5th, 6th and 7th house falling there. The parivartana of Surya and

Budha too(with ref to this chart) for my learning. How would that

affect the 9th Bhava under the lordship of the then combust Sukra?

 

Warm Regards

Nalini

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar >

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Thursday, 7 February, 2008 6:52:00 AM

Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Jyotish Remedies-to aavesh

ji- chart of native enclosed- Chandrasekhar ji

 

 

Dear Nalini,

 

If his being born at evening time is correct then may be we keep Kumbha

lagna. Meena would mean sunset time but with Jupiter going to the 8th

bhava it would not indicate fame due to own efforts to the extent it

would with Kumbha lagna. With Dhanu lagna he would have had

Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga of high order indicating the fame again. But

then he would have to be born around noon.

 

His not having done too well abroad could have to do with Saturn, the

12th lord, being conjunct Gulika and also in aspect of Gulikadhipati

Mars. This is coupled with the fact that the dasha running till this

time is not conducive for very good results and that till recently

Jupiter was occupying the 10th bhava harming that bhava. I think the

earliest he can do better is when Mars shifts to the Cancer rasi,

thereby removing its aspect on Jupiter.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

nalini swamy wrote:

 

 

 

Hare Rama Krsna

Hraum Namah Adityaya

 

Respected Chandrasekhar ji,

Namaskar.

Thank you for your inputs. Did you mean

Meena lagna because Dhanur lagna pushes back the time  and the native

is very sure that his mother said about sunset time.

I thought maybe Meena lagna would not be a

fit as that would mean Lagnesh in 8th and the native is not doing well

abroad.

I had forgotten to add that the native is

accomplished in sports- athletics and cricket. He was the athletics

champion at college(3+2) and captained his university all through his

Degree/PG in Cricket and had received many laurels. He also represented

his state in the Republic Day Parades in Delhi. In fact he said his PG

study( seat, in Geology)was a sports quota seat.

 

What you have stated reg Matru Sukha and

pitri sukha is absolutely right as the native's mother was not on good

terms with him towards the end of her life and though she realised the

truth(supposed misdemeanours attributed to him- sisters and younger

brother are responsible as per native) but passed away even before she

could reconcile and father has not given him a rightful share in the

property dividing it between his two other sons- never did have good

terms with father always).

 

Native has two younger sisters(one abroad)

and two brothers-one elder and one younger to him.He does not enjoy

harmonius relationships with his co-born.

 

What then indicates his tiffs/lack of

understanding with his immediate boss(es) in homeland and abroad?

 

Do please elaborate.

 

Regards

Nalini

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekh ar (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

Tuesday, 5 February, 2008 7:37:30 AM

Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Jyotish Remedies-to aavesh ji-

chart of native enclosed

 

 

Dear Nalini,

 

That is an interesting chart, because lagna change within a few

minutes. The general description of the jataka does seem to match the

chart, barring the having faith in God and loss of temper. Rahu,

Jupiter Moon combination is not very conducive for one to have firm

faith in the matters indicated by the 9th bhava. Moon does cause the

bhava indication to be variable. For loss of temper either the lagna or

the 5th should have some connection with either Ketu or Mars.

 

As to his not having attained the same position as when in motherland,

perhaps we have to wait till his Venus dasha begins around October

2008. lagnesha in the 10th does indicate that the jataka will get fame

through own efforts. There could however be a lack of matru and pitru

sukha for the jataka.

 

I would suggest checking for Dhanu lagna too.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

 

nalini swamy wrote:

 

 

 

Hare Rama Krsna

Hraum Namah Adityaya

 

Aavesh ji,

Namaskar.

I am enclosing the chart, I have tried

to atleast fit the rasi chart as the birthtime is not recorded but

merely noted as about the time in the evening, time when lamps are lit

as the native and his family did/do not have faith in astrology.

I can give a few facts about the native

known/told to me:

He is very religious and has immense

faith in Lord Venkateswara and while in India undertook pilgrimages to

Tirupati once a month and uphill by foot.

He is a strict vegetarian, does not

smoke, drink. The other Venusian activities I am not sure of/do not

know.

Very short tempered and easily roused

and is vicious(speech) when angry.

Suffers from Diabetes(from Sep/Oct 2005)

and Hypertension.

Left India on 12th August 2004 and

reached the place of present stay on 14th August. Facing severe hard

ship professionally and financial to some extent( certainly much

detrimental than in homeland, where he had lacked nothing) .

Native's fortunes rose after marriage

and girl from a higher status.

The native's mother passed away in Dec

1998.

Likes children(all) very much, very

playful and a cheerful countenance.

Looking forward to your observations and

other learned, Chandrasekhar ji, and a learning

experience to follow(for me).

 

Regards

Nalini 

 

 

 

 

Nalini Swamy

 

 

 

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aavesh t <aavesh_s (AT) (DOT) co.in>

Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

Thursday, 31 January, 2008 10:52:15 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Jyotish Remedies-Nalini

 

 

Dear Nalini,

 

This is what I meant

when I said fall from position.

 

Shani Maharaj can be

very unsparing if one does not follow the Sattvic path or is overly

ambitious !!

 

You can furnish the

birth details of this person and we can discuss the role of Shani

Maharaj in the 10th using this as a casestudy (Of course the decision

to furnish the data is left to your discretion)

 

Regards,

 

aavesh

 

 

 

 

nalini swamy <nalini2818 (AT) (DOT)

com> wrote:

 

 

Hare Rama Krsna

Respected Aavesh ji,

 

Namaskar.

Best wishes for your recovery.

Would'nt it make a difference if

Shani Maharaj is the lagna lord?

I have a chart(un rectified and not

very accurate birth time) where Shanishwar( He is the only

planet/God/Celestia l Being who has a suffix- Eashwar other than Lord

Shiva himself),lagnesh is in the 10th. The native worked hard even

during childhood(9th and 10th classes) and after lot of suffering rose

up in life to the position of Vice president in a Company. He relocated

abroad and has never attained anything very remotely connected to his

erstwhile status and has started in an entry level position.

I do hold a view of Dual lordship of

Kumbha and vrishchika and in this chart, Rahu being stronger is the

Lagna lord and is also involved in a Guru Chandala Yoga in the 9th,

Tula with Chandra-6th lord.

Though Lagna changes sign I thought

Kumbha more apt as he always did have problems with the boss(female

too) and also reluctance to accept/submit to authority, arguments and

fights-verbal.

Native's son (eldest) has not

conformed to the family traditions and has gone against the

family/culture/ norms.

Any thoughts?

Regards

Nalini

 

 

 

 

Nalini Swamy

 

 

 

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aavesh t <aavesh_s (AT) (DOT) co.in>

Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

Thursday, 31 January, 2008 10:18:24 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Jyotish Remedies

 

 

 

Dear Chandrashekarji,

 

Very important points that you have

mentioned in your mail Sir.

 

Shani Maharaj in the 10th

when alone (and unaspected) can bring about a severe downfall (as per

Dr B.V. Raman's research)

 

Regards,

 

aavesh

 

 

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekh ar (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

wrote:

Dear Sheevani,

 

If you think I could throw some light on this, I am very happy.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

sheevani147 wrote:

 

 

Namaste Chandrasekhar ji,

 

Lovely views on Shani Maharaj.. much appreciated. . understanding the

planets nature and intentions is the key issue..

 

Regards

Sheevani

 

Vedic Astrologyandhe

aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashek har wrote:

>

> Dear Aavesh,

>

> Yes that is true. I look at Shani in the following manner. Shani

likes

> his favorites to be bereft of ego and to keep low profile as he is

 

> himself one who looks down and prefers darkness of night to light

of the

> day. So the polite ones and those able to put in great efforts in

> achieving targets, with great patience are his favorites. When his

 

> favorites stray from this path before bestowing his favour on them

 

he

> brings them to ground and destroys their ego. He is called the

great

> planet in Linga Purana.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> aavesh t wrote:

> > Namaskar Chandrashekarji, Nalini and others,

> >

> > _Chandrashekarji: _You have made a valid point Sir.

> >

> > _Lord Shiva is the overruler of Shani.Shani Maharaj is kind

to

> > devotees of Hanuman and Lord Shiva in my experience._

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> > Interestingly, Shani Maharaj favours people who are non

covetous

by

> > nature and who help the poor and needy without expecting

anything

in

> > return (which is rare in these times)

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> > Regards,

> >

> > aavesh

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> > */Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har/ * wrote:

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> > Dear Nalini, Aavesh, RK and others,

> >

> > If I may add my two cents worth to what is being said. We

need to

> > understand that Saturn being the brother of Yama the Dharma

raj,

> > it is his duty to cleanse us of our sins by balancing out our

> > misdeeds of past life with sorrows in this life. that way he

> > actually shows the path to salvation and also gives us the

> > capacity to face calamities in life. So we should be grateful

 

to

> > him, for making us toe the line of Dharma.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > nalini swamy wrote:

> >> Hare Rama Krsna

> >> Aavesh ji, RK ji, Dheeraj ji and all,

> >>

> >> Namaskar.

> >> I would'nt dare attribute all suffering in mankind to

Shani

> >> Maharaj, only in those charts which have 'his stamp'-

propensity

> >> for sorrow, gloom, suffering, as you rightly said directly

> >> proportional to the accumulated( ing) Karma. It is just

that

He

> >> being a disciplinarian and a hard task master

accomplishes

this

> >> task more easily and readily.

> >> My apologies if I had conveyed something other than what I

> >> intended to.

> >> Also right is how we react to suffering, karma, is again

a

major

> >> factor, as pointed out by you, most people cry' why me' .

 

But if

> >> suffering is seen as cleansing of the karma we would say,

 

Thank

> >> God it is me, which is also relative to the 'evolution of

the

> >> soul' and its progress towards its Destiny.

> >> Each to his/her own I would say...

> >> Regards

> >> Nalini

> >>

> >> //

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> >>

> >> aavesh t <aavesh_s@..

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> >> Vedic Astrologyandhe

aling@ s.com

> >> Friday, 25 January, 2008 9:58:33 PM

> >> [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Jyotish Remedies

> >>

> >> Namskar RKDa,Nalini, Dheeraj and Group,

> >>

> >> Dheeraj has raised a very importnat topic which has

relevance in

> >> the competitive world of today.

> >>

> >> The issue of 'Remedial measures in Jyotish' (Upayes)

> >>

> >> In my experience, Upayes C_ertainly work_

> >>

> >> The criterion applicable here is to understand the

working

of Karma.

> >>

> >> _Karma can be divided into 'Dhrida' and 'Adridha' Karma

in

general._

> >> _Upayes work on the Adridha Karma (Karma which can be

changed by

> >> efforts)_

> >>

> >> This is a huge subject in itself which requires thorough

> >> understanding of Jyotish,Hindu Philosophy,Ayurveda and

Yoga

> >>

> >> _Nalini :_You have made an interesting point vis-a-vis the

> >> ability to bear sorrows.

> >>

> >> It would be wrong to blame 'Shani Maharaj' for all the

sorrows

> >> afflicting humankind today (Shani Maharaj is a teacher

who

metes

> >> out sorrows in proportion to our Karmas)

> >>

> >> How we react to the sufferings is based on the soulic

development

> >> of the individual

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> >> I will continue after getting reactions on the above

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> >> Regards,

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> >> aavesh

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> >> */nalini swamy <nalini2818>/* wrote:

> >>

> >> Hare Rama Krsna

> >> Shree RK ji,

> >> Namaskar.

> >> Are you a lover of Greek (and Roman) tragedies as well??

> >> I loved the tragedies of Seneca above all.. probably

> >> proclivity of Shani Maharaj..

> >> Wow what a world it(was addicted to Greek and Roman

> >> literature since childhood) was which I hated to give up

but

> >> had to after a while but not before taking it up for

study

> >> for my PG.

> >> Coming to Jyotish, is it not very akin to the fear the

Greeks

> >> had for 'hubris' and punishment from Gods??

> >> How and what could one do to dispel this fear of the

planets???

> >> Is there really a remedy for the 'karma; accumulated or

is

> >> the remedy more a strengthening of the' free will' to

weather

> >> the storm, be more prepared for the onslaught, cling for

life

> >> in the rapids, a respite from sinking into the bog..

> >> How about the propensity of some 'charts' for suffering..

> >> again a proclivity of Shani Maharaj?

> >> When I used to live in Chennai, I sometimes wondered at

the

> >> pure laughter of my domestic help which rang out

sometimes in

> >> the neighbour's house where she lived?

> >> If difficulties form the soul boy, did she not have her

fair

> >> share then??

> >> What is it then that gives that 'pure joy' ?It is not

absence

> >> of difficulties then..

> >> it is something that emerges from inside which is

irrelevent

> >> to suffering, difficulties, penury, disease, worry?

> >> Or was that contentment. . no no it could not be for she

was

> >> forever trying to make ends meet, poor mite!!!

> >> Shani Maharaj even if he gives suffering also tempers the

> >> 'steel' and also insulates it so that further shocks do

not

> >> break the core.Who knows he may even make the native a

sucker

> >> for 'tragedies' preparing him/her to 'enjoy' the

tragedies

> >> that life may unfold. I am not being flippant here but

> >> probably better replace 'enjoy' with 'grin and bear'.

> >> I would love to participate in this thread if I may, and

> >> sorry RK ji, for intruding..

> >>

> >> Regards

> >> Nalini

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> rk dash <arkaydash (AT) gmail (DOT)

com>

> >> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> >> Friday, 25 January, 2008 4:23:22 AM

> >> Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] remedy

experiences

> >> ---litsol

> >>

> >> Considerable idea, Shree Dheeraj.

> >> We hope we should be able to organise this kind of

discussion

> >> here. The very fact of remedy being a source of ware-

hawking

> >> is sort of preventing as much quality discussion of the

> >> discipline as we should be doing. 'Remdial jyotish' has,

> >> ironically, poked The Eye of Knowledge in its very eyes.

I

> >> mean even non-remedial astrology has contracted the

craze for

> >> happiness-shaping, like lifestyle-shaping. But there

should

> >> be room for some ways out of the whiplashes. Well,

sometimes

> >> karma unrolls that way.

> >>

> >> *A line by Seneca comes to mind: 'Difficulties

strengthen the

> >> mind, as does labour the body.' If we push the Western

> >> classical drift further, we can say: Yes, difficulties

form

> >> the soul.*

> >> **

> >> *But we need respite. Or do we need a good time in the

name

> >> of absence of difficulties? Member Aavesh will add his

> >> reflections to this thread.*

> >>

> >> RK

> >>

> >>

> >> On 24/01/2008, *DHEERAJ KHOSLA* <khosladheeraj@

 

> >> <khosladheer

aj> wrote:

> >>

> >> Namaste Litsol and others,

> >>

> >> Please do a study and research on

> >> remedies of astrological combinations. i mean to say

peoples

> >> experiences about worships . Like curses - where a

planet is

> >> afflicted by two malefics or three malefics . how

many

> >> days ,

> >> how many malas etc.. to get relief.

> >>

> >> How many jataks in actual

> >> life have experiences of betterment after performing

> >> remedies.?

> >>

> >> IS really can we alter our

> >> destiny?

> >> How to do different remedies , depending

> >> on intensity of afflictions rather doing zigzag

mantras ?

> >>

> >> please give it a thought . a teamwork s required .

> >>

> >> thanks,

> >> dheeraj

> >>

> >>

> >>

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