Chidambara Rahasyam

February 20, 2008

Dear Lalit,Chandrashekarji,Sheevaniji,Sunilji,RKDa,Ramanarayanji and Group, Please see this link: http://bharataagama s.blogspot. com/2008/ 02/chidambara- rahasyam. html Regards, aavesh With Best Wishes, aavesh

Bring your gang together - do your thing. Start your group.

February 20, 2008

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Shri Aavesh ji,

Namaste. i thank you for addressing the topic 'Chidambara Rahasya' to

me too.

Chitta is seen from 5th bhava. In kalapurusha jataka it contains the

sign Simha ruled by Sun. The karaka for 5th is Guru who stand for

aakasha. The 8th amsa of this 5th bhava is scorpio/vrischika(watery).

The 8th bhava is considered as the gupta/rahasya bhava. It is here we

see the debilitation of chandra taking place.

The stillness of the Nataraja posture which we see is not stillness in

reality but it is the height of velocity. It is said that Ganga Mayya

wanted to see this Nrtya. It is for this specific reason that she as

swarna vilva got down from the 'jata'. Is this a secret?!

Let us go further.

Vilva stands for praana. The tri-dala that is offered to the Lord

stands for the activity of breathing - inhalation,retention and

exhalation.

Chandra that we talked about above indicates the mana which in

layman's parlance stand for kaala(Sani is said to be the higher octave

of chandra/Moon while Guru is considered to be the higher octave of

Sun). Generally when a person has mind to do a particular job he

usually finds time for the same. This is purely based on the likes and

dislikes. This is based on the ego. This usually leads one to wrong

directions. The soma which bestows nectar/amrita(undying - a + mrita)

through the doors of Kaala acts as chandra the mana of the jiva. Kaala

stands for limitation while Soma stands for that which cannot be

limited. Soma is that Satya/Aakash/Space which can be reached when we

transcend the limitations/boundaries of kaala. From this we can

understand that Sani blocks Soma. In other words Sani allows Soma to

function as chandra with prescribed time limits. This is akin to the

state where we find dead bodies floating( or pushed under) in undying

jeeva nadi Ganga! Chidamabara Rahasya calls for this transformation of

kaala chakra to dik chakra.

Now coming back to the statement that chandra is debilitated in

vrischika, we understand that the 8th amsa(rahasya) of the 5th

bhava(chit+ambaram) allows this transcendence.

What is the secret in Chidambaram? To the right of Maata

Sivakamasundari we have the Lord Nataraaja. To His right we have 5

vertically lined swarna vilva(ganga). Vilva stands for prana which

cannot be seen(a-drista/rahasya). Praana stands for sustenance(Ganga

Mayya's heart is big indeed). 5 numbers stand for the pancha praana

which are considered the prathama karakas.

Praana maya kosha stands in between annamaya kosha and manomaya kosha.

Using the 5th bhava if the cobwebs of manomaya kosha are

dusted(through guru mantra) the unrealized ordinary breathing slows

down to give the benefit of attention of the praana ganga that is

flowing within. When the mind quietens the breathing steps

across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the japa now ajapa! The

dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this chit+ambaram at the point of

time when the ordinary breathing percolates through manomaya/sabdamaya

kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'.

Let me stop here as the mail is becoming lengthier.

i am sorry if i had bored you.

Best wishes.

May Mother Bless.

Astrologically & spiritually yours,

p.s.ramanarayanan.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t

<aavesh_s wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,Chandrashekarji,Sheevaniji,Sunilji,RKDa,Ramanarayanji and

Group,

>

> Please see this link:

>

> http://bharataagama s.blogspot. com/2008/ 02/chidambara- rahasyam.

html

>

> Regards,

>

> aavesh

>

> With Best Wishes,

>

> aavesh

>

> Bring your gang together - do your thing. Start your group.

>

February 20, 2008

Resp Sri P.S.ramanarayanan Ji,

Namaskaar, I think God has sent u so that we can learn more, It's quite

right about Chidambara (Chitta + Ambar - akash or sky) , I have some

confusions that i think i should ask -

1. When the mind quietens the breathing steps

across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the japa now ajapa! The

dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this chit+ambaram at the point of

time when the ordinary breathing percolates through manomaya/sabdamaya

kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'.

My experience is slight different, when mind (Mana) quietens, the chetna

(consciousness) transcedence, but it's under the mother divine, unless

she blesses, this transcednce is blocked, I had chanted crores of the

mantras, but it didnt happen, i was curious to know what's there in the

other side of the coin, what is cross the border, finally, it happened

one day, it happened spontaneously..., now ajapa and japa are one and

same thing to me ..

I dont understand kosha theory much and i also think the prana has no

importance in spirituality, prana and pranayaam is as superficial and

physical as any organ of the body in the sense of the spirituality, pls.

guide me more.

I think koshas are the level of attachements to various instincts ..

where our chetna is stuck, m not sure, telling from my experience.

expecting to know more from u.. pls. tell us more.

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sree88ganesha "

<sree88ganesha wrote:

>

> SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

>

> Dear Shri Aavesh ji,

>

> Namaste. i thank you for addressing the topic 'Chidambara Rahasya' to

> me too.

>

> Chitta is seen from 5th bhava. In kalapurusha jataka it contains the

> sign Simha ruled by Sun. The karaka for 5th is Guru who stand for

> aakasha. The 8th amsa of this 5th bhava is scorpio/vrischika(watery).

> The 8th bhava is considered as the gupta/rahasya bhava. It is here we

> see the debilitation of chandra taking place.

>

> The stillness of the Nataraja posture which we see is not stillness in

> reality but it is the height of velocity. It is said that Ganga Mayya

> wanted to see this Nrtya. It is for this specific reason that she as

> swarna vilva got down from the 'jata'. Is this a secret?!

>

> Let us go further.

>

> Vilva stands for praana. The tri-dala that is offered to the Lord

> stands for the activity of breathing - inhalation,retention and

> exhalation.

>

> Chandra that we talked about above indicates the mana which in

> layman's parlance stand for kaala(Sani is said to be the higher octave

> of chandra/Moon while Guru is considered to be the higher octave of

> Sun). Generally when a person has mind to do a particular job he

> usually finds time for the same. This is purely based on the likes and

> dislikes. This is based on the ego. This usually leads one to wrong

> directions. The soma which bestows nectar/amrita(undying - a + mrita)

> through the doors of Kaala acts as chandra the mana of the jiva. Kaala

> stands for limitation while Soma stands for that which cannot be

> limited. Soma is that Satya/Aakash/Space which can be reached when we

> transcend the limitations/boundaries of kaala. From this we can

> understand that Sani blocks Soma. In other words Sani allows Soma to

> function as chandra with prescribed time limits. This is akin to the

> state where we find dead bodies floating( or pushed under) in undying

> jeeva nadi Ganga! Chidamabara Rahasya calls for this transformation of

> kaala chakra to dik chakra.

>

> Now coming back to the statement that chandra is debilitated in

> vrischika, we understand that the 8th amsa(rahasya) of the 5th

> bhava(chit+ambaram) allows this transcendence.

>

> What is the secret in Chidambaram? To the right of Maata

> Sivakamasundari we have the Lord Nataraaja. To His right we have 5

> vertically lined swarna vilva(ganga). Vilva stands for prana which

> cannot be seen(a-drista/rahasya). Praana stands for sustenance(Ganga

> Mayya's heart is big indeed). 5 numbers stand for the pancha praana

> which are considered the prathama karakas.

>

> Praana maya kosha stands in between annamaya kosha and manomaya kosha.

> Using the 5th bhava if the cobwebs of manomaya kosha are

> dusted(through guru mantra) the unrealized ordinary breathing slows

> down to give the benefit of attention of the praana ganga that is

> flowing within. When the mind quietens the breathing steps

> across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the japa now ajapa! The

> dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this chit+ambaram at the point of

> time when the ordinary breathing percolates through manomaya/sabdamaya

> kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'.

>

> Let me stop here as the mail is becoming lengthier.

>

> i am sorry if i had bored you.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> May Mother Bless.

>

> Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> p.s.ramanarayanan.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t

> aavesh_s@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,Chandrashekarji,Sheevaniji,Sunilji,RKDa,Ramanarayanji and

> Group,

> >

> > Please see this link:

> >

> > http://bharataagama s.blogspot. com/2008/ 02/chidambara- rahasyam.

> html

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > aavesh

> >

> > With Best Wishes,

> >

> > aavesh

> >

> > Bring your gang together - do your thing. Start your group.

> >

>

February 20, 2008

Dear Aavesh,

That was a nice link.

Chandrashekhar.

aavesh t wrote:

Dear Lalit,Chandrashekarji,Sheevaniji,Sunilji,RKDa,Ramanarayanji

and Group,

Please see this link:

http://bharataagama

s.blogspot. com/2008/ 02/chidambara- rahasyam. html

Regards,

aavesh

With Best Wishes,

aavesh

Bring your gang together - do your thing.

Start your group.

February 20, 2008

Dear Lalit/ Ramanarayanan,

Pardon my interruption, but are you sure that the "Chit" in Chidambaram

refers to Chitta (mind of feelings). I would think it refers to the

Chiti shakti or Kundalini shakti. I would translate the word as one

whose apparel is pure energy. That is why he is described as one who is

moving and one who is motionless, one who is distant as well as one

who is near, one in whom all reside but the one who is out side all

(creation). Of course my knowledge in matters religious is not very

deep.

Chandrashekhar.

litsol wrote:

Resp Sri P.S.ramanarayanan Ji,

Namaskaar, I think God has sent u so that we can learn more, It's quite

right about Chidambara (Chitta + Ambar - akash or sky) , I have some

confusions that i think i should ask -

1. When the mind quietens the breathing steps

across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the japa now ajapa! The

dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this chit+ambaram at the point of

time when the ordinary breathing percolates through manomaya/sabdamaya

kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'.

My experience is slight different, when mind (Mana) quietens, the chetna

(consciousness) transcedence, but it's under the mother divine, unless

she blesses, this transcednce is blocked, I had chanted crores of the

mantras, but it didnt happen, i was curious to know what's there in the

other side of the coin, what is cross the border, finally, it happened

one day, it happened spontaneously..., now ajapa and japa are one

and

same thing to me ..

I dont understand kosha theory much and i also think the prana has no

importance in spirituality, prana and pranayaam is as superficial and

physical as any organ of the body in the sense of the spirituality, pls.

guide me more.

I think koshas are the level of attachements to various instincts ..

where our chetna is stuck, m not sure, telling from my experience.

expecting to know more from u.. pls. tell us more.

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"sree88ganesha"

<sree88ganesha wrote:

>

> SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

>

> Dear Shri Aavesh ji,

>

> Namaste. i thank you for addressing the topic 'Chidambara Rahasya'

to

> me too.

>

> Chitta is seen from 5th bhava. In kalapurusha jataka it contains

the

> sign Simha ruled by Sun. The karaka for 5th is Guru who stand for

> aakasha. The 8th amsa of this 5th bhava is scorpio/vrischika(watery).

> The 8th bhava is considered as the gupta/rahasya bhava. It is here

we

> see the debilitation of chandra taking place.

>

> The stillness of the Nataraja posture which we see is not

stillness in

> reality but it is the height of velocity. It is said that Ganga

Mayya

> wanted to see this Nrtya. It is for this specific reason that she

as

> swarna vilva got down from the 'jata'. Is this a secret?!

>

> Let us go further.

>

> Vilva stands for praana. The tri-dala that is offered to the Lord

> stands for the activity of breathing - inhalation,retention

and

> exhalation.

>

> Chandra that we talked about above indicates the mana which in

> layman's parlance stand for kaala(Sani is said to be the higher

octave

> of chandra/Moon while Guru is considered to be the higher octave of

> Sun). Generally when a person has mind to do a particular job he

> usually finds time for the same. This is purely based on the likes

and

> dislikes. This is based on the ego. This usually leads one to wrong

> directions. The soma which bestows nectar/amrita(undying - a

+ mrita)

> through the doors of Kaala acts as chandra the mana of the jiva.

Kaala

> stands for limitation while Soma stands for that which cannot be

> limited. Soma is that Satya/Aakash/Space which can be reached

when we

> transcend the limitations/boundaries of kaala. From this we

can

> understand that Sani blocks Soma. In other words Sani allows Soma

to

> function as chandra with prescribed time limits. This is akin to

the

> state where we find dead bodies floating( or pushed under) in

undying

> jeeva nadi Ganga! Chidamabara Rahasya calls for this

transformation of

> kaala chakra to dik chakra.

>

> Now coming back to the statement that chandra is debilitated in

> vrischika, we understand that the 8th amsa(rahasya) of the 5th

> bhava(chit+ambaram) allows this transcendence.

>

> What is the secret in Chidambaram? To the right of Maata

> Sivakamasundari we have the Lord Nataraaja. To His right we have 5

> vertically lined swarna vilva(ganga). Vilva stands for prana

which

> cannot be seen(a-drista/rahasya). Praana stands for

sustenance(Ganga

> Mayya's heart is big indeed). 5 numbers stand for the pancha praana

> which are considered the prathama karakas.

>

> Praana maya kosha stands in between annamaya kosha and manomaya

kosha.

> Using the 5th bhava if the cobwebs of manomaya kosha are

> dusted(through guru mantra) the unrealized ordinary breathing slows

> down to give the benefit of attention of the praana ganga that is

> flowing within. When the mind quietens the breathing steps

> across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the japa now ajapa!

The

> dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this chit+ambaram at the point

of

> time when the ordinary breathing percolates through

manomaya/sabdamaya

> kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'.

>

> Let me stop here as the mail is becoming lengthier.

>

> i am sorry if i had bored you.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> May Mother Bless.

>

> Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> p.s.ramanarayanan.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

aavesh t

> aavesh_s@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,Chandrashekarji,Sheevaniji,Sunilji,RKDa,Ramanarayanji

and

> Group,

> >

> > Please see this link:

> >

> > http://bharataagama

s.blogspot. com/2008/ 02/chidambara- rahasyam.

> html

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > aavesh

> >

> > With Best Wishes,

> >

> > aavesh

> >

> > Bring your gang together - do your thing. Start your group.

> >

>

February 20, 2008

Resp Sri Chandrashekhar Ji,

You are both a great astrologer and a sanskrit scholar, also like a guru to me, i have leant a lot from u as well as from Baqaya Sir. So, it will be a stupidity for me to argue anything with u, however, i want to express what i understand and visualize, pls. correct me where i m going wrong, I also request Aavesh Sir to tell me where i m wrong.

One universal chetna or conciousness is infused in every particle of the world, u can feel it both at micro and macro level, this is the one to which u said premodial energy, this energy is a living energy unlike what some schools say "Jar", all is chitanya to a sadhaka , she is my mother divine.

Within the body, same is available in various forms, before the state of uninion with univesal chetna, we only feel this energy or chetna in fragmented manner, this is the leela of lalita, same energy works like kundalini and chitta shakit of mind, mind's chitta is a node to universal chetna, this is how we think, how we receive thoughts, how we get inspirations from the grahas etc.., when kundalini and chitta unites, we get a feeling of getting mingled into universal energy.

once or twice it happened to me, so all i want to tell is both the interpretitions are correct, difference lies in the angle wherefrom we loot at it, top to bottom or bottom to top.

What is in shastra, may be Sri Ramanarayanan ji may tell us.

What is yet to discover is how brian, oxygen, thoughts and soul is interlinked in body, this is what krishna left for others, this is what buddha didnt understand and this is what aadi shankra has not explained. i dont know about other enlightened branded names who spend their life in doing seminars but cant discover anything new, this is the one of the biggest challange in spirituality.

regards,Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit/ Ramanarayanan,> > Pardon my interruption, but are you sure that the "Chit" in Chidambaram > refers to Chitta (mind of feelings). I would think it refers to the > Chiti shakti or Kundalini shakti. I would translate the word as one > whose apparel is pure energy. That is why he is described as one who is > moving and one who is motionless, one who is distant as well as one who > is near, one in whom all reside but the one who is out side all > (creation). Of course my knowledge in matters religious is not very deep.> > Chandrashekhar.> > > litsol wrote:> >> >> > Resp Sri P.S.ramanarayanan Ji,> >> > Namaskaar, I think God has sent u so that we can learn more, It's quite> > right about Chidambara (Chitta + Ambar - akash or sky) , I have some> > confusions that i think i should ask -> >> > 1. When the mind quietens the breathing steps> > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the japa now ajapa! The> > dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this chit+ambaram at the point of> > time when the ordinary breathing percolates through manomaya/sabdamaya> > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'.> >> > My experience is slight different, when mind (Mana) quietens, the chetna> > (consciousness) transcedence, but it's under the mother divine, unless> > she blesses, this transcednce is blocked, I had chanted crores of the> > mantras, but it didnt happen, i was curious to know what's there in the> > other side of the coin, what is cross the border, finally, it happened> > one day, it happened spontaneously..., now ajapa and japa are one and> > same thing to me ..> >> > I dont understand kosha theory much and i also think the prana has no> > importance in spirituality, prana and pranayaam is as superficial and> > physical as any organ of the body in the sense of the spirituality, pls.> > guide me more.> >> > I think koshas are the level of attachements to various instincts ..> > where our chetna is stuck, m not sure, telling from my experience.> >> > expecting to know more from u.. pls. tell us more.> >> > regards,> > Lalit.> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "sree88ganesha"> > sree88ganesha@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM> > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH> > >> > > Dear Shri Aavesh ji,> > >> > > Namaste. i thank you for addressing the topic 'Chidambara Rahasya' to> > > me too.> > >> > > Chitta is seen from 5th bhava. In kalapurusha jataka it contains the> > > sign Simha ruled by Sun. The karaka for 5th is Guru who stand for> > > aakasha. The 8th amsa of this 5th bhava is scorpio/vrischika(watery).> > > The 8th bhava is considered as the gupta/rahasya bhava. It is here we> > > see the debilitation of chandra taking place.> > >> > > The stillness of the Nataraja posture which we see is not stillness in> > > reality but it is the height of velocity. It is said that Ganga Mayya> > > wanted to see this Nrtya. It is for this specific reason that she as> > > swarna vilva got down from the 'jata'. Is this a secret?!> > >> > > Let us go further.> > >> > > Vilva stands for praana. The tri-dala that is offered to the Lord> > > stands for the activity of breathing - inhalation,retention and> > > exhalation.> > >> > > Chandra that we talked about above indicates the mana which in> > > layman's parlance stand for kaala(Sani is said to be the higher octave> > > of chandra/Moon while Guru is considered to be the higher octave of> > > Sun). Generally when a person has mind to do a particular job he> > > usually finds time for the same. This is purely based on the likes and> > > dislikes. This is based on the ego. This usually leads one to wrong> > > directions. The soma which bestows nectar/amrita(undying - a + mrita)> > > through the doors of Kaala acts as chandra the mana of the jiva. Kaala> > > stands for limitation while Soma stands for that which cannot be> > > limited. Soma is that Satya/Aakash/Space which can be reached when we> > > transcend the limitations/boundaries of kaala. From this we can> > > understand that Sani blocks Soma. In other words Sani allows Soma to> > > function as chandra with prescribed time limits. This is akin to the> > > state where we find dead bodies floating( or pushed under) in undying> > > jeeva nadi Ganga! Chidamabara Rahasya calls for this transformation of> > > kaala chakra to dik chakra.> > >> > > Now coming back to the statement that chandra is debilitated in> > > vrischika, we understand that the 8th amsa(rahasya) of the 5th> > > bhava(chit+ambaram) allows this transcendence.> > >> > > What is the secret in Chidambaram? To the right of Maata> > > Sivakamasundari we have the Lord Nataraaja. To His right we have 5> > > vertically lined swarna vilva(ganga). Vilva stands for prana which> > > cannot be seen(a-drista/rahasya). Praana stands for sustenance(Ganga> > > Mayya's heart is big indeed). 5 numbers stand for the pancha praana> > > which are considered the prathama karakas.> > >> > > Praana maya kosha stands in between annamaya kosha and manomaya kosha.> > > Using the 5th bhava if the cobwebs of manomaya kosha are> > > dusted(through guru mantra) the unrealized ordinary breathing slows> > > down to give the benefit of attention of the praana ganga that is> > > flowing within. When the mind quietens the breathing steps> > > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the japa now ajapa! The> > > dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this chit+ambaram at the point of> > > time when the ordinary breathing percolates through manomaya/sabdamaya> > > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'.> > >> > > Let me stop here as the mail is becoming lengthier.> > >> > > i am sorry if i had bored you.> > >> > > Best wishes.> > >> > > May Mother Bless.> > >> > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,> > > p.s.ramanarayanan.> > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, aavesh t> > > aavesh_s@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,Chandrashekarji,Sheevaniji,Sunilji,RKDa,Ramanarayanji and> > > Group,> > > >> > > > Please see this link:> > > >> > > > http://bharataagama s.blogspot. com/2008/ 02/chidambara- rahasyam.> > > html> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > aavesh> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > With Best Wishes,> > > >> > > > aavesh> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Bring your gang together - do your thing. Start your group.> > > >> > >> >> >>

February 21, 2008

Dear Lalit,

I can understand what you mean. But there is certainly a distinction

between Intelligence and consciousness. One is the chitta and another

is the chit. or at least that is what I think the words mean.

By the way the energy in Kundalini, also called Chiti Shakti, is

distinct and apart from what is called Chetana. I am sure you have read

Lalita sahasranaama wherein much is told about this aspect.

Chandrashekhar.

litsol wrote:

Resp Sri Chandrashekhar Ji,

You are both a great astrologer and a sanskrit scholar, also like

a guru to me, i have leant a lot from u as well as from Baqaya Sir. So,

it will be a stupidity for me to argue anything with u, however, i want

to express what i understand and visualize, pls. correct me where i m

going wrong, I also request Aavesh Sir to tell me where i m wrong.

One universal chetna or conciousness is infused in every particle

of the world, u can feel it both at micro and macro level, this is the

one to which u said premodial energy, this energy is a living energy

unlike what some schools say "Jar", all is chitanya to a sadhaka , she

is my mother divine.

Within the body, same is available in various forms, before the

state of uninion with univesal chetna, we only feel this energy or

chetna in fragmented manner,

this is the leela of lalita, same energy works like kundalini and

chitta shakit of mind, mind's chitta is a node to universal chetna,

this is how we think, how we receive thoughts, how we get inspirations

from the grahas etc.., when kundalini and chitta unites, we get a

feeling of getting mingled into universal energy.

once or twice

it happened to me, so all i want to tell is both the interpretitions

are correct, difference lies in the angle wherefrom we loot at it, top

to bottom or bottom to top.

What is in

shastra, may be Sri Ramanarayanan ji may tell us.

What is yet

to discover is how brian, oxygen, thoughts and soul is interlinked in

body, this is what krishna left for others, this is what buddha didnt

understand and this is what aadi shankra has not explained. i dont know

about other enlightened branded names who spend their life in doing

seminars but cant discover anything new, this is the one of the biggest

challange in spirituality.

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit/ Ramanarayanan,

>

> Pardon my interruption, but are you sure that the "Chit" in

Chidambaram

> refers to Chitta (mind of feelings). I would think it refers to

the

> Chiti shakti or Kundalini shakti. I would translate the word as

one

> whose apparel is pure energy. That is why he is described as one

who is

> moving and one who is motionless, one who is distant as well as

one who

> is near, one in whom all reside but the one who is out side all

> (creation). Of course my knowledge in matters religious is not

very deep.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> litsol wrote:

> >

> > Resp Sri P.S.ramanarayanan Ji,

> >

> > Namaskaar, I think God has sent u so that we can learn more,

It's quite

> > right about Chidambara (Chitta + Ambar - akash or sky) , I

have some

> > confusions that i think i should ask -

> >

> > 1. When the mind quietens the breathing steps

> > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the japa now

ajapa! The

> > dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this chit+ambaram at the

point of

> > time when the ordinary breathing percolates through

manomaya/sabdamaya

> > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'.

> >

> > My experience is slight different, when mind (Mana) quietens,

the chetna

> > (consciousness) transcedence, but it's under the mother

divine, unless

> > she blesses, this transcednce is blocked, I had chanted

crores of the

> > mantras, but it didnt happen, i was curious to know what's

there in the

> > other side of the coin, what is cross the border, finally, it

happened

> > one day, it happened spontaneously..., now ajapa and

japa are one and

> > same thing to me ..

> >

> > I dont understand kosha theory much and i also think the

prana has no

> > importance in spirituality, prana and pranayaam is as

superficial and

> > physical as any organ of the body in the sense of the

spirituality, pls.

> > guide me more.

> >

> > I think koshas are the level of attachements to various

instincts ..

> > where our chetna is stuck, m not sure, telling from my

experience.

> >

> > expecting to know more from u.. pls. tell us more.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

"sree88ganesha"

> > sree88ganesha@ wrote:

> > >

> > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Aavesh ji,

> > >

> > > Namaste. i thank you for addressing the topic

'Chidambara Rahasya' to

> > > me too.

> > >

> > > Chitta is seen from 5th bhava. In kalapurusha jataka it

contains the

> > > sign Simha ruled by Sun. The karaka for 5th is Guru who

stand for

> > > aakasha. The 8th amsa of this 5th bhava is

scorpio/vrischika(watery).

> > > The 8th bhava is considered as the gupta/rahasya bhava.

It is here we

> > > see the debilitation of chandra taking place.

> > >

> > > The stillness of the Nataraja posture which we see is

not stillness in

> > > reality but it is the height of velocity. It is said

that Ganga Mayya

> > > wanted to see this Nrtya. It is for this specific reason

that she as

> > > swarna vilva got down from the 'jata'. Is this a secret?!

> > >

> > > Let us go further.

> > >

> > > Vilva stands for praana. The tri-dala that is offered to

the Lord

> > > stands for the activity of breathing -

inhalation,retention and

> > > exhalation.

> > >

> > > Chandra that we talked about above indicates the mana

which in

> > > layman's parlance stand for kaala(Sani is said to be the

higher octave

> > > of chandra/Moon while Guru is considered to be the

higher octave of

> > > Sun). Generally when a person has mind to do a

particular job he

> > > usually finds time for the same. This is purely based on

the likes and

> > > dislikes. This is based on the ego. This usually leads

one to wrong

> > > directions. The soma which bestows nectar/amrita(undying

- a + mrita)

> > > through the doors of Kaala acts as chandra the mana of

the jiva. Kaala

> > > stands for limitation while Soma stands for that which

cannot be

> > > limited. Soma is that Satya/Aakash/Space which can

be reached when we

> > > transcend the limitations/boundaries of kaala. From

this we can

> > > understand that Sani blocks Soma. In other words Sani

allows Soma to

> > > function as chandra with prescribed time limits. This is

akin to the

> > > state where we find dead bodies floating( or pushed

under) in undying

> > > jeeva nadi Ganga! Chidamabara Rahasya calls for this

transformation of

> > > kaala chakra to dik chakra.

> > >

> > > Now coming back to the statement that chandra is

debilitated in

> > > vrischika, we understand that the 8th amsa(rahasya) of

the 5th

> > > bhava(chit+ambaram) allows this transcendence.

> > >

> > > What is the secret in Chidambaram? To the right of Maata

> > > Sivakamasundari we have the Lord Nataraaja. To His right

we have 5

> > > vertically lined swarna vilva(ganga). Vilva stands

for prana which

> > > cannot be seen(a-drista/rahasya). Praana stands for

sustenance(Ganga

> > > Mayya's heart is big indeed). 5 numbers stand for the

pancha praana

> > > which are considered the prathama karakas.

> > >

> > > Praana maya kosha stands in between annamaya kosha and

manomaya kosha.

> > > Using the 5th bhava if the cobwebs of manomaya kosha are

> > > dusted(through guru mantra) the unrealized ordinary

breathing slows

> > > down to give the benefit of attention of the praana

ganga that is

> > > flowing within. When the mind quietens the breathing

steps

> > > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the japa

now ajapa! The

> > > dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this chit+ambaram at

the point of

> > > time when the ordinary breathing percolates through

manomaya/sabdamaya

> > > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'.

> > >

> > > Let me stop here as the mail is becoming lengthier.

> > >

> > > i am sorry if i had bored you.

> > >

> > > Best wishes.

> > >

> > > May Mother Bless.

> > >

> > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

aavesh t

> > > aavesh_s@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,Chandrashekarji,Sheevaniji,Sunilji,RKDa,Ramanarayanji

and

> > > Group,

> > > >

> > > > Please see this link:

> > > >

> > > > http://bharataagama s.blogspot. com/2008/

02/chidambara- rahasyam.

> > > html

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > aavesh

> > > >

> > > > With Best Wishes,

> > > >

> > > > aavesh

> > > >

> > > > Bring your gang together - do your thing. Start

your group.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 22, 2008

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Shri Chandrashekhar ji & Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

Namaste. i am happy to receive the responses from you in this regard.

i also appreciate the efforts taken to translate ambaram as apparel

and chit as chiti sakthi. May i write a few lines!!!?

Swarna vilva, Ajapa Nrtya, dynamic stillness(Nataraja),the

sabha/assembly, presence of Lord Govindaraja in lying posture,

presence of Shri Aanjaneya in standing posture, presence of Shri

Yogeswar Patanjali and Shri Vyaghrapaadar,the dance by MaaKaali, the

temple structure, the poojaris/pandits/brahmanas of the temple are all

some of the various special features among others in the Chidambaram

Temple. An explanation for these special features will call for an

effort to write a book.

The chiti sakthi brings forth the role of Mother. Siva the epitome of

stillness/existence and awareness indicates the Sat and Chit while

Mother the epitome of awareness and energy indicates the Chit and

Bliss. This wonderful combination of SivaSakthi Ayikya

Swaroopa/Sat-chit-aananda swaroopa, results in the cosmic dance which

gives the dual effect of stillness and dynamism separately and

together too!

The dwadasa divisions of the zodiac is directly linked to this cosmic

dance. The sabha or assembly gives hint about the space divisions.

This indirectly gives hints about the role of Guru(aakasha). If we

stop with the explanation of 'chiti sakthi' we may be in a position to

undertstand the space divisions and 'chidambaram'. We need to move

further in order to understand the rahasya portion which has the

intention of explaining the concepts of time and time divisions.

The 5 vertical lines Swarna Vilva which is kept behind the screens and

claimed as rahasya indicate the 'panchanga' or the 5 limbs of time.

Time is invisible and eternal and is directly linked to the

breath/swara. The other meaning of tri-dala vilva(other than the one

given in the previous mail) is the tri-kala(past, present and future -

identified as 9,1 and 5 in the space divisions).

How do we understand Nataraja as SivaSakthi Ayikya swaroopa? How do we

understand the principles of dynamic stillness? Here in comes the

importance of the quietude of 'chit'. In order to understand the space

divisions we need the co-operation of the energy of 'chit' and the

blessings of Guru. From the aakasha/ashareera(beyond the limitations

of body)the help is extended through 'diksha'(Guru mantra). This

mantra of the Guru has the highest potency to trace space within the

realm of mind/chit. This means acceptance of Guru and extending

reverence is called for here. Immense faith on the Guru and clear

conviction brings forth the required platform in the manomaya kosha

for the breath to transcend. This means the manosarovar will now

contain the flowers of awareness and reverence. Now the breeze flows

across. Breathing/the existential kriya (chiti in action)gains enough

motivation to move ahead. The place where the transcendence takes

place is where the dance called as 'ajapa' is born.

Why should this ajapa dance be given so much importance? It is because

only here we can understand the concept of space and space divisions.

In other words this 'ajapa' is the indicator or mark for us to

understand the activated 'chiti sakthi'.

As already said the Swarna vilva speaks about the concept of time and

time divisions which are collectively called as 'panchanga'.

Guru represents the space divisions while Sani represents the time

divisions. The time taken for both these planets to come back to their

original starting points of their journey(maintaining the distance

between them in tact) is 60 years. Though these two planets treat each

other neutrally Sani has the capacity to debilitate Guru. In order

that the role of Guru is not lost sight of these 60 years are called

as 'jupiterian' years. The pachakadi sambandha is worth remembering here.

Breath+awareness+reverence = Prana. This means that Prana is the

universal set containing breath as subset in it! It was addressing

this prana(rudra aaradhana) that King Kowsika transformed himself into

Sage Viswvmitra.

The quietude of chitta/chit/mind plus the beatitude of ajapa nrtya are

the required qualifications/conditions which enable one to understand

the concept of space and time divisions which forms the basis for

further revelations.

Pancha kosha is the panchavati(5 trees)where the Rama-Sita-Lakshmana

reside. Let us pray to Sage Agastya to bless us also.

i think you will agree that the concept of Guru and reverential

approach to Guru, the Guru prasada viz., mantra and quietude of

chitta/mind are essential for understanding and facilitating the

mainfestation of 'chiti sakthi'.

i am extremely sorry for the length of the mail.

Best wishes.

May Mother Bless.

Astrologically & spiritually yours,

p.s.ramanarayanan.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit/ Ramanarayanan,

>

> Pardon my interruption, but are you sure that the " Chit " in Chidambaram

> refers to Chitta (mind of feelings). I would think it refers to the

> Chiti shakti or Kundalini shakti. I would translate the word as one

> whose apparel is pure energy. That is why he is described as one who is

> moving and one who is motionless, one who is distant as well as one

who

> is near, one in whom all reside but the one who is out side all

> (creation). Of course my knowledge in matters religious is not very

deep.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> litsol wrote:

> >

> > Resp Sri P.S.ramanarayanan Ji,

> >

> > Namaskaar, I think God has sent u so that we can learn more, It's

quite

> > right about Chidambara (Chitta + Ambar - akash or sky) , I have some

> > confusions that i think i should ask -

> >

> > 1. When the mind quietens the breathing steps

> > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the japa now ajapa! The

> > dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this chit+ambaram at the point of

> > time when the ordinary breathing percolates through manomaya/sabdamaya

> > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'.

> >

> > My experience is slight different, when mind (Mana) quietens, the

chetna

> > (consciousness) transcedence, but it's under the mother divine, unless

> > she blesses, this transcednce is blocked, I had chanted crores of the

> > mantras, but it didnt happen, i was curious to know what's there

in the

> > other side of the coin, what is cross the border, finally, it happened

> > one day, it happened spontaneously..., now ajapa and japa are one and

> > same thing to me ..

> >

> > I dont understand kosha theory much and i also think the prana has no

> > importance in spirituality, prana and pranayaam is as superficial and

> > physical as any organ of the body in the sense of the

spirituality, pls.

> > guide me more.

> >

> > I think koshas are the level of attachements to various instincts ..

> > where our chetna is stuck, m not sure, telling from my experience.

> >

> > expecting to know more from u.. pls. tell us more.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, " sree88ganesha "

> > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> > >

> > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Aavesh ji,

> > >

> > > Namaste. i thank you for addressing the topic 'Chidambara

Rahasya' to

> > > me too.

> > >

> > > Chitta is seen from 5th bhava. In kalapurusha jataka it contains the

> > > sign Simha ruled by Sun. The karaka for 5th is Guru who stand for

> > > aakasha. The 8th amsa of this 5th bhava is

scorpio/vrischika(watery).

> > > The 8th bhava is considered as the gupta/rahasya bhava. It is

here we

> > > see the debilitation of chandra taking place.

> > >

> > > The stillness of the Nataraja posture which we see is not

stillness in

> > > reality but it is the height of velocity. It is said that Ganga

Mayya

> > > wanted to see this Nrtya. It is for this specific reason that she as

> > > swarna vilva got down from the 'jata'. Is this a secret?!

> > >

> > > Let us go further.

> > >

> > > Vilva stands for praana. The tri-dala that is offered to the Lord

> > > stands for the activity of breathing - inhalation,retention and

> > > exhalation.

> > >

> > > Chandra that we talked about above indicates the mana which in

> > > layman's parlance stand for kaala(Sani is said to be the higher

octave

> > > of chandra/Moon while Guru is considered to be the higher octave of

> > > Sun). Generally when a person has mind to do a particular job he

> > > usually finds time for the same. This is purely based on the

likes and

> > > dislikes. This is based on the ego. This usually leads one to wrong

> > > directions. The soma which bestows nectar/amrita(undying - a +

mrita)

> > > through the doors of Kaala acts as chandra the mana of the jiva.

Kaala

> > > stands for limitation while Soma stands for that which cannot be

> > > limited. Soma is that Satya/Aakash/Space which can be reached

when we

> > > transcend the limitations/boundaries of kaala. From this we can

> > > understand that Sani blocks Soma. In other words Sani allows Soma to

> > > function as chandra with prescribed time limits. This is akin to the

> > > state where we find dead bodies floating( or pushed under) in

undying

> > > jeeva nadi Ganga! Chidamabara Rahasya calls for this

transformation of

> > > kaala chakra to dik chakra.

> > >

> > > Now coming back to the statement that chandra is debilitated in

> > > vrischika, we understand that the 8th amsa(rahasya) of the 5th

> > > bhava(chit+ambaram) allows this transcendence.

> > >

> > > What is the secret in Chidambaram? To the right of Maata

> > > Sivakamasundari we have the Lord Nataraaja. To His right we have 5

> > > vertically lined swarna vilva(ganga). Vilva stands for prana which

> > > cannot be seen(a-drista/rahasya). Praana stands for sustenance(Ganga

> > > Mayya's heart is big indeed). 5 numbers stand for the pancha praana

> > > which are considered the prathama karakas.

> > >

> > > Praana maya kosha stands in between annamaya kosha and manomaya

kosha.

> > > Using the 5th bhava if the cobwebs of manomaya kosha are

> > > dusted(through guru mantra) the unrealized ordinary breathing slows

> > > down to give the benefit of attention of the praana ganga that is

> > > flowing within. When the mind quietens the breathing steps

> > > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the japa now ajapa! The

> > > dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this chit+ambaram at the point of

> > > time when the ordinary breathing percolates through

manomaya/sabdamaya

> > > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'.

> > >

> > > Let me stop here as the mail is becoming lengthier.

> > >

> > > i am sorry if i had bored you.

> > >

> > > Best wishes.

> > >

> > > May Mother Bless.

> > >

> > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, aavesh t

> > > aavesh_s@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear

Lalit,Chandrashekarji,Sheevaniji,Sunilji,RKDa,Ramanarayanji and

> > > Group,

> > > >

> > > > Please see this link:

> > > >

> > > > http://bharataagama s.blogspot. com/2008/ 02/chidambara- rahasyam.

> > > html

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > aavesh

> > > >

> > > > With Best Wishes,

> > > >

> > > > aavesh

> > > >

> > > > Bring your gang together - do your thing. Start your group.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 23, 2008

Resp Sri P.S. RamanarayananJi,

Thanx for showering ur knowedge on us, I w'd request you to elaboate

this mantra of u -

" Sani has the capacity to debilitate Guru " .

Pls. elaborate it sothat we can understand the reasoning behind

Guru's debilitation in capricorn.

Recently people have started taking Saturn as a spiritual planet, i

was also thinking like others but now i think, saturn is more a

planet that inspires people to become cunning and cheat sothat they

can get punishments in future, is that a reason why Guru gets

debilitated in saturn's sign.

Also tell us pls, what impact there will be for a person whose saturn

is exalted/debilitated in 9'th house of his chart, i mean in the seat

of the Guru, and pls. also let us know that what if Shasha Yoga is

formed in one's lagna, how the person will be.

It's a good opportunity to learn some key things from u.

on the other part of time etc... i w'd say a sadhaka knows there is

no importance of time, time dosnt exist for him.

I know it.. but i enjoy being a part of time that gets elapsed ....

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sree88ganesha "

<sree88ganesha wrote:

>

> SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

>

> Dear Shri Chandrashekhar ji & Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

>

> Namaste. i am happy to receive the responses from you in this

regard.

> i also appreciate the efforts taken to translate ambaram as apparel

> and chit as chiti sakthi. May i write a few lines!!!?

>

> Swarna vilva, Ajapa Nrtya, dynamic stillness(Nataraja),the

> sabha/assembly, presence of Lord Govindaraja in lying posture,

> presence of Shri Aanjaneya in standing posture, presence of Shri

> Yogeswar Patanjali and Shri Vyaghrapaadar,the dance by MaaKaali, the

> temple structure, the poojaris/pandits/brahmanas of the temple are

all

> some of the various special features among others in the Chidambaram

> Temple. An explanation for these special features will call for an

> effort to write a book.

>

> The chiti sakthi brings forth the role of Mother. Siva the epitome

of

> stillness/existence and awareness indicates the Sat and Chit while

> Mother the epitome of awareness and energy indicates the Chit and

> Bliss. This wonderful combination of SivaSakthi Ayikya

> Swaroopa/Sat-chit-aananda swaroopa, results in the cosmic dance

which

> gives the dual effect of stillness and dynamism separately and

> together too!

>

> The dwadasa divisions of the zodiac is directly linked to this

cosmic

> dance. The sabha or assembly gives hint about the space divisions.

> This indirectly gives hints about the role of Guru(aakasha). If we

> stop with the explanation of 'chiti sakthi' we may be in a position

to

> undertstand the space divisions and 'chidambaram'. We need to move

> further in order to understand the rahasya portion which has the

> intention of explaining the concepts of time and time divisions.

>

> The 5 vertical lines Swarna Vilva which is kept behind the screens

and

> claimed as rahasya indicate the 'panchanga' or the 5 limbs of time.

> Time is invisible and eternal and is directly linked to the

> breath/swara. The other meaning of tri-dala vilva(other than the one

> given in the previous mail) is the tri-kala(past, present and

future -

> identified as 9,1 and 5 in the space divisions).

>

> How do we understand Nataraja as SivaSakthi Ayikya swaroopa? How do

we

> understand the principles of dynamic stillness? Here in comes the

> importance of the quietude of 'chit'. In order to understand the

space

> divisions we need the co-operation of the energy of 'chit' and the

> blessings of Guru. From the aakasha/ashareera(beyond the limitations

> of body)the help is extended through 'diksha'(Guru mantra). This

> mantra of the Guru has the highest potency to trace space within the

> realm of mind/chit. This means acceptance of Guru and extending

> reverence is called for here. Immense faith on the Guru and clear

> conviction brings forth the required platform in the manomaya kosha

> for the breath to transcend. This means the manosarovar will now

> contain the flowers of awareness and reverence. Now the breeze flows

> across. Breathing/the existential kriya (chiti in action)gains

enough

> motivation to move ahead. The place where the transcendence takes

> place is where the dance called as 'ajapa' is born.

>

> Why should this ajapa dance be given so much importance? It is

because

> only here we can understand the concept of space and space

divisions.

> In other words this 'ajapa' is the indicator or mark for us to

> understand the activated 'chiti sakthi'.

>

> As already said the Swarna vilva speaks about the concept of time

and

> time divisions which are collectively called as 'panchanga'.

>

> Guru represents the space divisions while Sani represents the time

> divisions. The time taken for both these planets to come back to

their

> original starting points of their journey(maintaining the distance

> between them in tact) is 60 years. Though these two planets treat

each

> other neutrally Sani has the capacity to debilitate Guru. In order

> that the role of Guru is not lost sight of these 60 years are called

> as 'jupiterian' years. The pachakadi sambandha is worth remembering

here.

>

> Breath+awareness+reverence = Prana. This means that Prana is the

> universal set containing breath as subset in it! It was addressing

> this prana(rudra aaradhana) that King Kowsika transformed himself

into

> Sage Viswvmitra.

>

> The quietude of chitta/chit/mind plus the beatitude of ajapa nrtya

are

> the required qualifications/conditions which enable one to

understand

> the concept of space and time divisions which forms the basis for

> further revelations.

>

> Pancha kosha is the panchavati(5 trees)where the Rama-Sita-Lakshmana

> reside. Let us pray to Sage Agastya to bless us also.

>

> i think you will agree that the concept of Guru and reverential

> approach to Guru, the Guru prasada viz., mantra and quietude of

> chitta/mind are essential for understanding and facilitating the

> mainfestation of 'chiti sakthi'.

>

> i am extremely sorry for the length of the mail.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> May Mother Bless.

>

> Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> p.s.ramanarayanan.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit/ Ramanarayanan,

> >

> > Pardon my interruption, but are you sure that the " Chit " in

Chidambaram

> > refers to Chitta (mind of feelings). I would think it refers to

the

> > Chiti shakti or Kundalini shakti. I would translate the word as

one

> > whose apparel is pure energy. That is why he is described as one

who is

> > moving and one who is motionless, one who is distant as well as

one

> who

> > is near, one in whom all reside but the one who is out side all

> > (creation). Of course my knowledge in matters religious is not

very

> deep.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > litsol wrote:

> > >

> > > Resp Sri P.S.ramanarayanan Ji,

> > >

> > > Namaskaar, I think God has sent u so that we can learn more,

It's

> quite

> > > right about Chidambara (Chitta + Ambar - akash or sky) , I have

some

> > > confusions that i think i should ask -

> > >

> > > 1. When the mind quietens the breathing steps

> > > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the japa now

ajapa! The

> > > dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this chit+ambaram at the

point of

> > > time when the ordinary breathing percolates through

manomaya/sabdamaya

> > > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'.

> > >

> > > My experience is slight different, when mind (Mana) quietens,

the

> chetna

> > > (consciousness) transcedence, but it's under the mother divine,

unless

> > > she blesses, this transcednce is blocked, I had chanted crores

of the

> > > mantras, but it didnt happen, i was curious to know what's there

> in the

> > > other side of the coin, what is cross the border, finally, it

happened

> > > one day, it happened spontaneously..., now ajapa and japa are

one and

> > > same thing to me ..

> > >

> > > I dont understand kosha theory much and i also think the prana

has no

> > > importance in spirituality, prana and pranayaam is as

superficial and

> > > physical as any organ of the body in the sense of the

> spirituality, pls.

> > > guide me more.

> > >

> > > I think koshas are the level of attachements to various

instincts ..

> > > where our chetna is stuck, m not sure, telling from my

experience.

> > >

> > > expecting to know more from u.. pls. tell us more.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%

40>, " sree88ganesha "

> > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Aavesh ji,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste. i thank you for addressing the topic 'Chidambara

> Rahasya' to

> > > > me too.

> > > >

> > > > Chitta is seen from 5th bhava. In kalapurusha jataka it

contains the

> > > > sign Simha ruled by Sun. The karaka for 5th is Guru who stand

for

> > > > aakasha. The 8th amsa of this 5th bhava is

> scorpio/vrischika(watery).

> > > > The 8th bhava is considered as the gupta/rahasya bhava. It is

> here we

> > > > see the debilitation of chandra taking place.

> > > >

> > > > The stillness of the Nataraja posture which we see is not

> stillness in

> > > > reality but it is the height of velocity. It is said that

Ganga

> Mayya

> > > > wanted to see this Nrtya. It is for this specific reason that

she as

> > > > swarna vilva got down from the 'jata'. Is this a secret?!

> > > >

> > > > Let us go further.

> > > >

> > > > Vilva stands for praana. The tri-dala that is offered to the

Lord

> > > > stands for the activity of breathing - inhalation,retention

and

> > > > exhalation.

> > > >

> > > > Chandra that we talked about above indicates the mana which in

> > > > layman's parlance stand for kaala(Sani is said to be the

higher

> octave

> > > > of chandra/Moon while Guru is considered to be the higher

octave of

> > > > Sun). Generally when a person has mind to do a particular job

he

> > > > usually finds time for the same. This is purely based on the

> likes and

> > > > dislikes. This is based on the ego. This usually leads one to

wrong

> > > > directions. The soma which bestows nectar/amrita(undying - a +

> mrita)

> > > > through the doors of Kaala acts as chandra the mana of the

jiva.

> Kaala

> > > > stands for limitation while Soma stands for that which cannot

be

> > > > limited. Soma is that Satya/Aakash/Space which can be reached

> when we

> > > > transcend the limitations/boundaries of kaala. From this we

can

> > > > understand that Sani blocks Soma. In other words Sani allows

Soma to

> > > > function as chandra with prescribed time limits. This is akin

to the

> > > > state where we find dead bodies floating( or pushed under) in

> undying

> > > > jeeva nadi Ganga! Chidamabara Rahasya calls for this

> transformation of

> > > > kaala chakra to dik chakra.

> > > >

> > > > Now coming back to the statement that chandra is debilitated

in

> > > > vrischika, we understand that the 8th amsa(rahasya) of the 5th

> > > > bhava(chit+ambaram) allows this transcendence.

> > > >

> > > > What is the secret in Chidambaram? To the right of Maata

> > > > Sivakamasundari we have the Lord Nataraaja. To His right we

have 5

> > > > vertically lined swarna vilva(ganga). Vilva stands for prana

which

> > > > cannot be seen(a-drista/rahasya). Praana stands for sustenance

(Ganga

> > > > Mayya's heart is big indeed). 5 numbers stand for the pancha

praana

> > > > which are considered the prathama karakas.

> > > >

> > > > Praana maya kosha stands in between annamaya kosha and

manomaya

> kosha.

> > > > Using the 5th bhava if the cobwebs of manomaya kosha are

> > > > dusted(through guru mantra) the unrealized ordinary breathing

slows

> > > > down to give the benefit of attention of the praana ganga

that is

> > > > flowing within. When the mind quietens the breathing steps

> > > > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the japa now

ajapa! The

> > > > dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this chit+ambaram at the

point of

> > > > time when the ordinary breathing percolates through

> manomaya/sabdamaya

> > > > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'.

> > > >

> > > > Let me stop here as the mail is becoming lengthier.

> > > >

> > > > i am sorry if i had bored you.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes.

> > > >

> > > > May Mother Bless.

> > > >

> > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, aavesh t

> > > > aavesh_s@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear

> Lalit,Chandrashekarji,Sheevaniji,Sunilji,RKDa,Ramanarayanji and

> > > > Group,

> > > > >

> > > > > Please see this link:

> > > > >

> > > > > http://bharataagama s.blogspot. com/2008/ 02/chidambara-

rahasyam.

> > > > html

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > aavesh

> > > > >

> > > > > With Best Wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > aavesh

> > > > >

> > > > > Bring your gang together - do your thing. Start your group.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 25, 2008

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

Namaste. Thank your for your response. i am happy to note your deep

interest in this Holy Subject.

Sani is ready to give the anubhava of all the sins/papa karmas done by

the jiva. Sani is the ripener. Sani rules the kali rasi Makara.

i shall go into this subject later as i am on a tight work schedule

during this week.

However understanding Koorma avatar can help a lot in understanding

the role of Sani.

Meanwhile the group members and gurus of the group may please consider

explaining as to why a graha gets exalted in one rasi and debilitated

in other rasi.

i am sorry if i had caused trouble in asking this.

i shall join later.

Best wishes.

May Mother Bless.

Astrologically & spiritually yours,

p.s.ramanarayanan.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

<mishra.lalit wrote:

>

> Resp Sri P.S. RamanarayananJi,

>

> Thanx for showering ur knowedge on us, I w'd request you to elaboate

> this mantra of u -

>

> " Sani has the capacity to debilitate Guru " .

>

> Pls. elaborate it sothat we can understand the reasoning behind

> Guru's debilitation in capricorn.

>

> Recently people have started taking Saturn as a spiritual planet, i

> was also thinking like others but now i think, saturn is more a

> planet that inspires people to become cunning and cheat sothat they

> can get punishments in future, is that a reason why Guru gets

> debilitated in saturn's sign.

>

> Also tell us pls, what impact there will be for a person whose saturn

> is exalted/debilitated in 9'th house of his chart, i mean in the seat

> of the Guru, and pls. also let us know that what if Shasha Yoga is

> formed in one's lagna, how the person will be.

>

> It's a good opportunity to learn some key things from u.

>

> on the other part of time etc... i w'd say a sadhaka knows there is

> no importance of time, time dosnt exist for him.

>

> I know it.. but i enjoy being a part of time that gets elapsed ....

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sree88ganesha "

> <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> >

> > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> >

> > Dear Shri Chandrashekhar ji & Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

> >

> > Namaste. i am happy to receive the responses from you in this

> regard.

> > i also appreciate the efforts taken to translate ambaram as apparel

> > and chit as chiti sakthi. May i write a few lines!!!?

> >

> > Swarna vilva, Ajapa Nrtya, dynamic stillness(Nataraja),the

> > sabha/assembly, presence of Lord Govindaraja in lying posture,

> > presence of Shri Aanjaneya in standing posture, presence of Shri

> > Yogeswar Patanjali and Shri Vyaghrapaadar,the dance by MaaKaali, the

> > temple structure, the poojaris/pandits/brahmanas of the temple are

> all

> > some of the various special features among others in the Chidambaram

> > Temple. An explanation for these special features will call for an

> > effort to write a book.

> >

> > The chiti sakthi brings forth the role of Mother. Siva the epitome

> of

> > stillness/existence and awareness indicates the Sat and Chit while

> > Mother the epitome of awareness and energy indicates the Chit and

> > Bliss. This wonderful combination of SivaSakthi Ayikya

> > Swaroopa/Sat-chit-aananda swaroopa, results in the cosmic dance

> which

> > gives the dual effect of stillness and dynamism separately and

> > together too!

> >

> > The dwadasa divisions of the zodiac is directly linked to this

> cosmic

> > dance. The sabha or assembly gives hint about the space divisions.

> > This indirectly gives hints about the role of Guru(aakasha). If we

> > stop with the explanation of 'chiti sakthi' we may be in a position

> to

> > undertstand the space divisions and 'chidambaram'. We need to move

> > further in order to understand the rahasya portion which has the

> > intention of explaining the concepts of time and time divisions.

> >

> > The 5 vertical lines Swarna Vilva which is kept behind the screens

> and

> > claimed as rahasya indicate the 'panchanga' or the 5 limbs of time.

> > Time is invisible and eternal and is directly linked to the

> > breath/swara. The other meaning of tri-dala vilva(other than the one

> > given in the previous mail) is the tri-kala(past, present and

> future -

> > identified as 9,1 and 5 in the space divisions).

> >

> > How do we understand Nataraja as SivaSakthi Ayikya swaroopa? How do

> we

> > understand the principles of dynamic stillness? Here in comes the

> > importance of the quietude of 'chit'. In order to understand the

> space

> > divisions we need the co-operation of the energy of 'chit' and the

> > blessings of Guru. From the aakasha/ashareera(beyond the limitations

> > of body)the help is extended through 'diksha'(Guru mantra). This

> > mantra of the Guru has the highest potency to trace space within the

> > realm of mind/chit. This means acceptance of Guru and extending

> > reverence is called for here. Immense faith on the Guru and clear

> > conviction brings forth the required platform in the manomaya kosha

> > for the breath to transcend. This means the manosarovar will now

> > contain the flowers of awareness and reverence. Now the breeze flows

> > across. Breathing/the existential kriya (chiti in action)gains

> enough

> > motivation to move ahead. The place where the transcendence takes

> > place is where the dance called as 'ajapa' is born.

> >

> > Why should this ajapa dance be given so much importance? It is

> because

> > only here we can understand the concept of space and space

> divisions.

> > In other words this 'ajapa' is the indicator or mark for us to

> > understand the activated 'chiti sakthi'.

> >

> > As already said the Swarna vilva speaks about the concept of time

> and

> > time divisions which are collectively called as 'panchanga'.

> >

> > Guru represents the space divisions while Sani represents the time

> > divisions. The time taken for both these planets to come back to

> their

> > original starting points of their journey(maintaining the distance

> > between them in tact) is 60 years. Though these two planets treat

> each

> > other neutrally Sani has the capacity to debilitate Guru. In order

> > that the role of Guru is not lost sight of these 60 years are called

> > as 'jupiterian' years. The pachakadi sambandha is worth remembering

> here.

> >

> > Breath+awareness+reverence = Prana. This means that Prana is the

> > universal set containing breath as subset in it! It was addressing

> > this prana(rudra aaradhana) that King Kowsika transformed himself

> into

> > Sage Viswvmitra.

> >

> > The quietude of chitta/chit/mind plus the beatitude of ajapa nrtya

> are

> > the required qualifications/conditions which enable one to

> understand

> > the concept of space and time divisions which forms the basis for

> > further revelations.

> >

> > Pancha kosha is the panchavati(5 trees)where the Rama-Sita-Lakshmana

> > reside. Let us pray to Sage Agastya to bless us also.

> >

> > i think you will agree that the concept of Guru and reverential

> > approach to Guru, the Guru prasada viz., mantra and quietude of

> > chitta/mind are essential for understanding and facilitating the

> > mainfestation of 'chiti sakthi'.

> >

> > i am extremely sorry for the length of the mail.

> >

> > Best wishes.

> >

> > May Mother Bless.

> >

> > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit/ Ramanarayanan,

> > >

> > > Pardon my interruption, but are you sure that the " Chit " in

> Chidambaram

> > > refers to Chitta (mind of feelings). I would think it refers to

> the

> > > Chiti shakti or Kundalini shakti. I would translate the word as

> one

> > > whose apparel is pure energy. That is why he is described as one

> who is

> > > moving and one who is motionless, one who is distant as well as

> one

> > who

> > > is near, one in whom all reside but the one who is out side all

> > > (creation). Of course my knowledge in matters religious is not

> very

> > deep.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > litsol wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Resp Sri P.S.ramanarayanan Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Namaskaar, I think God has sent u so that we can learn more,

> It's

> > quite

> > > > right about Chidambara (Chitta + Ambar - akash or sky) , I have

> some

> > > > confusions that i think i should ask -

> > > >

> > > > 1. When the mind quietens the breathing steps

> > > > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the japa now

> ajapa! The

> > > > dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this chit+ambaram at the

> point of

> > > > time when the ordinary breathing percolates through

> manomaya/sabdamaya

> > > > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'.

> > > >

> > > > My experience is slight different, when mind (Mana) quietens,

> the

> > chetna

> > > > (consciousness) transcedence, but it's under the mother divine,

> unless

> > > > she blesses, this transcednce is blocked, I had chanted crores

> of the

> > > > mantras, but it didnt happen, i was curious to know what's there

> > in the

> > > > other side of the coin, what is cross the border, finally, it

> happened

> > > > one day, it happened spontaneously..., now ajapa and japa are

> one and

> > > > same thing to me ..

> > > >

> > > > I dont understand kosha theory much and i also think the prana

> has no

> > > > importance in spirituality, prana and pranayaam is as

> superficial and

> > > > physical as any organ of the body in the sense of the

> > spirituality, pls.

> > > > guide me more.

> > > >

> > > > I think koshas are the level of attachements to various

> instincts ..

> > > > where our chetna is stuck, m not sure, telling from my

> experience.

> > > >

> > > > expecting to know more from u.. pls. tell us more.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%

> 40>, " sree88ganesha "

> > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Aavesh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste. i thank you for addressing the topic 'Chidambara

> > Rahasya' to

> > > > > me too.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chitta is seen from 5th bhava. In kalapurusha jataka it

> contains the

> > > > > sign Simha ruled by Sun. The karaka for 5th is Guru who stand

> for

> > > > > aakasha. The 8th amsa of this 5th bhava is

> > scorpio/vrischika(watery).

> > > > > The 8th bhava is considered as the gupta/rahasya bhava. It is

> > here we

> > > > > see the debilitation of chandra taking place.

> > > > >

> > > > > The stillness of the Nataraja posture which we see is not

> > stillness in

> > > > > reality but it is the height of velocity. It is said that

> Ganga

> > Mayya

> > > > > wanted to see this Nrtya. It is for this specific reason that

> she as

> > > > > swarna vilva got down from the 'jata'. Is this a secret?!

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us go further.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vilva stands for praana. The tri-dala that is offered to the

> Lord

> > > > > stands for the activity of breathing - inhalation,retention

> and

> > > > > exhalation.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandra that we talked about above indicates the mana which in

> > > > > layman's parlance stand for kaala(Sani is said to be the

> higher

> > octave

> > > > > of chandra/Moon while Guru is considered to be the higher

> octave of

> > > > > Sun). Generally when a person has mind to do a particular job

> he

> > > > > usually finds time for the same. This is purely based on the

> > likes and

> > > > > dislikes. This is based on the ego. This usually leads one to

> wrong

> > > > > directions. The soma which bestows nectar/amrita(undying - a +

> > mrita)

> > > > > through the doors of Kaala acts as chandra the mana of the

> jiva.

> > Kaala

> > > > > stands for limitation while Soma stands for that which cannot

> be

> > > > > limited. Soma is that Satya/Aakash/Space which can be reached

> > when we

> > > > > transcend the limitations/boundaries of kaala. From this we

> can

> > > > > understand that Sani blocks Soma. In other words Sani allows

> Soma to

> > > > > function as chandra with prescribed time limits. This is akin

> to the

> > > > > state where we find dead bodies floating( or pushed under) in

> > undying

> > > > > jeeva nadi Ganga! Chidamabara Rahasya calls for this

> > transformation of

> > > > > kaala chakra to dik chakra.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now coming back to the statement that chandra is debilitated

> in

> > > > > vrischika, we understand that the 8th amsa(rahasya) of the 5th

> > > > > bhava(chit+ambaram) allows this transcendence.

> > > > >

> > > > > What is the secret in Chidambaram? To the right of Maata

> > > > > Sivakamasundari we have the Lord Nataraaja. To His right we

> have 5

> > > > > vertically lined swarna vilva(ganga). Vilva stands for prana

> which

> > > > > cannot be seen(a-drista/rahasya). Praana stands for sustenance

> (Ganga

> > > > > Mayya's heart is big indeed). 5 numbers stand for the pancha

> praana

> > > > > which are considered the prathama karakas.

> > > > >

> > > > > Praana maya kosha stands in between annamaya kosha and

> manomaya

> > kosha.

> > > > > Using the 5th bhava if the cobwebs of manomaya kosha are

> > > > > dusted(through guru mantra) the unrealized ordinary breathing

> slows

> > > > > down to give the benefit of attention of the praana ganga

> that is

> > > > > flowing within. When the mind quietens the breathing steps

> > > > > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the japa now

> ajapa! The

> > > > > dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this chit+ambaram at the

> point of

> > > > > time when the ordinary breathing percolates through

> > manomaya/sabdamaya

> > > > > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let me stop here as the mail is becoming lengthier.

> > > > >

> > > > > i am sorry if i had bored you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes.

> > > > >

> > > > > May Mother Bless.

> > > > >

> > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, aavesh t

> > > > > aavesh_s@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear

> > Lalit,Chandrashekarji,Sheevaniji,Sunilji,RKDa,Ramanarayanji and

> > > > > Group,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please see this link:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://bharataagama s.blogspot. com/2008/ 02/chidambara-

> rahasyam.

> > > > > html

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With Best Wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bring your gang together - do your thing. Start your group.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 25, 2008

Dear Ramanarayanan,

This is a beautiful interpretation of the Lord as Natraj. I had one

thought as to whether the 5 lines on the Vilva Patra do not refer to

the Lord's five faces and in turn the five Maha bhootas and could there

be a relation to the space behind the curtain which is shown to the

devotees as the Chidambara rahasyam, as it will then be revelation of

creation of the Universe itself of which the five mahatatwas are a

major part. This is perhaps the Rahasya that is one has to see beyond

the idol to understand the true for of the Lord within whom the entire

space resides. If my memory serves me right the Lord's Linga in

Chidambaram is in Akasha form, as it is in different forms at different

places. If that be true then the Idol of Natraj maybe referring to the

dance of creation of the Lord as He who is formless expresses himself

as the creator of this Universe of ours, by conjoining as Shiva with

Shakti.

Of course, as I said earlier, I am not an authority on things religious

and could be entirely of track. So if I am wrong, I am sure the

learned, in matters religious, will pardon me.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

sree88ganesha wrote:

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Shri Chandrashekhar ji & Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

Namaste. i am happy to receive the responses from you in this regard.

i also appreciate the efforts taken to translate ambaram as apparel

and chit as chiti sakthi. May i write a few lines!!!?

Swarna vilva, Ajapa Nrtya, dynamic stillness(Nataraja),the

sabha/assembly, presence of Lord Govindaraja in lying posture,

presence of Shri Aanjaneya in standing posture, presence of Shri

Yogeswar Patanjali and Shri Vyaghrapaadar,the dance by MaaKaali,

the

temple structure, the poojaris/pandits/brahmanas of the temple are

all

some of the various special features among others in the Chidambaram

Temple. An explanation for these special features will call for an

effort to write a book.

The chiti sakthi brings forth the role of Mother. Siva the epitome of

stillness/existence and awareness indicates the Sat and Chit while

Mother the epitome of awareness and energy indicates the Chit and

Bliss. This wonderful combination of SivaSakthi Ayikya

Swaroopa/Sat-chit-aananda swaroopa, results in the cosmic dance