Chart Tenor in Esoteric Reading

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Dear Aavesh,

We will have to pick the pieces only from a vantage point where the pieces can't be a red herring. What I mean is, once the tenor of a chart is framed by certain houses (and certain planets under predominant colouration due to sign qualities as well as lordship), the planets and even houses cease to behave contrary. Take Rahu in Lalit's chart. We have to see carefully what he actually is in this chart. One, AM, two Saturn's sign, three 10th hse of Natural zodiac, and the Nakshatra he is in, and his position in the relevant harmonic chart -- one more harmonic chart apart from the Navamsa. Or take Venus. What's so unspiritual about him. Yes, to an extent his lordship. But you have his placement in the 1st of the Moksha trikona, ie 4th hse. He is in Merc's sign. Maybe he (Ve) gets eroticised because the sign is Twin and the 3rd of N. Zodiac, the 1st of kama trikona. Note he is under Ju's gaze. Which brings me to the 12th sign of the zodiac which Ju brings AS LAGNA LORD to bear on all that he surveys. Is that all undercut or aided by Nakshatra positions of the some of these planets? Into that I have not gone yet.

 

Well, we have to balance out the indications, once we have a larger picture in terms of chart tenor.

 

RK

 

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Dear RKDa,

 

Nice to get your feedback on my mail.

 

I agree with you in that esoteric Jyotish is something where there are grey areas which could lead to certain ambiguities in interpretation

 

Thanks for focussing my attention on the 9th house as the 'station' in case of Lalit's Kundli

 

Some points:

 

(i)Rahu as AK is placed in the 11th in Vargottama.The placement of Rahu in the Nakshatra of Surya is significant

 

(ii)Rahu in the sign of Shani Maharaj aspecting Shani Maharaj in the earthy Rasi of Vrishaba contributes heavily to materialism (in an otherwise Sattvic chart)

 

(iii)The fact that both Shani Maharaj and Rahu aspect the 5th house where Budha is placed adds to the material aspect of the chart

 

(iv)The Hamsa yoga which he has got in his chart will help him materialistically (the spiritual benifits will be toned down due to aspect of Shukra on Guru and Shani Maharaj on Guru in D-9 chart)

 

 

(v)Factor in the yuti of Surya and Mangal in the 6th to the above and you get an individual who is extremely goal oriented which is good in the present day world

 

The 9th house in his chart is the locus standi as you pointed out.

 

Chandra in 9th aspected by Shani Maharaj and Ketu gives rise to genuine moments of introspection.The aspect of Mangal is a dampner towards genuine genuflection as this gives him an attitude of

'WHEN IN TROUBLE SMASH THROUGH THE OPPOSITION'

 

Pls understand that I am not being negative about Lalit's chart (Only pointing out some factors which deserve attention)

 

I will continue after getting your responses on the above

 

Regards,

 

aavesh

 

rk dash <arkaydash wrote:

 

Dear Aavesh,

Chart reading away from events and material rise and fall (or non-rise) requires a lot of work. The individual pieces in such a jigsaw are necessary. And your spoting the pieces are okay as far I know astrology. Yet since esoteric astrology requires going beyond the known patterns (even yogas of this nature are too few to help us in such a reading), we have to also understand the esoteric dynamics in human life and find their corollaries in the symbolisms of astrology. All this requires going beyond the cut and dried approach to an extent. Take the combined aspect of Mars and Ketu on moon. You throw in Saturn. And you get a human being who is unlikely to meet mental comfort in the usual course of living. He will be impelled to change track. It is the station that decides. Change which way. You haven't noted my puting the finger on the 9th hse as the station. And 10th hse. Rahu's aspect on Saturn has become the red herring for you. The same Rahu can collaborate in Ketu's karakatwas. Correct me.

 

RK

On 23/02/2008, aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote:

Continuing:

 

Shani Maharaj (AK) in the 3rd aspected by Rahu also poses a great challenge (This will make him overly ambitious and agressive vis-a-vis career and power).Ketu aspecting Rasi and Lagna will pull him in the other direction !!

 

 

A special point let me leave here. We tend to see Saturn touch on Moon as a liability. Liability maybe at a lower plane, but asset at a higher plane. The world doesn't easily understand their penetration, their power (yes, you may say their suffering). I mean those who have Moon-Saturn linkages. Where they are driven! O where! And what drives them? O what!

 

 

Shani Maharaj aspecting Rasi is really a matter of concern.There is a lot of anger in him resulting from the combined aspects of Mangal and Ketu on Rasi (Shani Maharaj as 12th lord aspecting the 9th will bring a sense of detachment over a period of time)

 

The process is going to be very painful (to put it mildly).Vargotamma positioning of the nodes is indicative of the fact that Lalit is cut out for Greatness

 

 

This greatness will come at the cost of his personal happiness

(4th Lord with Ketu in the 5th is a real dampner as far as 'Mansik Shanti' is concerned)

 

This is the case with all great souls : They have to carry the burden of the lesser souls (who will not give them the time of the day after they derieve their material benifits from this great personality)

 

Lalit is too good to be true in the present times

 

Regards,

 

aavesh

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Dear Elders,

 

Thanx for this discussion which will guide me further in taking right

steps. I wish to understand the point 1 stated by Aavwsh Sir -

 

Rahu as AK is placed in the 11th in Vargottama.The placement of Rahu

in the Nakshatra of Surya is significant.

 

What's the significance, pls. let me know.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " arkaydash "

<arkaydash wrote:

>

> Dear Aavesh, We will have to pick the pieces only from a vantage

point

> where the pieces can't be a red herring. What I mean is, once the

tenor

> of a chart is framed by certain houses (and certain planets under

> predominant colouration due to sign qualities as well as lordship),

the

> planets and even houses cease to behave contrary. Take Rahu in

Lalit's

> chart. We have to see carefully what he actually is in this chart.

One,

> AM, two Saturn's sign, three 10th hse of Natural zodiac, and the

> Nakshatra he is in, and his position in the relevant harmonic

chart --

> one more harmonic chart apart from the Navamsa. Or take Venus.

What's so

> unspiritual about him. Yes, to an extent his lordship. But you have

his

> placement in the 1st of the Moksha trikona, ie 4th hse. He is in

Merc's

> sign. Maybe he (Ve) gets eroticised because the sign is Twin and

the 3rd

> of N. Zodiac, the 1st of kama trikona. Note he is under Ju's gaze.

Which

> brings me to the 12th sign of the zodiac which Ju brings AS LAGNA

LORD

> to bear on all that he surveys. Is that all undercut or aided by

> Nakshatra positions of the some of these planets? Into that I have

not

> gone yet. Well, we have to balance out the indications, once we

have

> a larger picture in terms of chart tenor. RK Members are

requested

> to read down for the prequel to this post Dear RKDa, Nice to get

> your feedback on my mail. I agree with you in that esoteric

Jyotish is

> something where there are grey areas which could lead to certain

> ambiguities in interpretation Thanks for focussing my attention

on the

> 9th house as the 'station' in case of Lalit's Kundli Some

points:

> (i)Rahu as AK is placed in the 11th in Vargottama.The placement of

Rahu

> in the Nakshatra of Surya is significant (ii)Rahu in the sign of

Shani

> Maharaj aspecting Shani Maharaj in the earthy Rasi of Vrishaba

> contributes heavily to materialism (in an otherwise Sattvic chart)

> (iii)The fact that both Shani Maharaj and Rahu aspect the 5th house

> where Budha is placed adds to the material aspect of the chart

(iv)The

> Hamsa yoga which he has got in his chart will help him

materialistically

> (the spiritual benifits will be toned down due to aspect of Shukra

on

> Guru and Shani Maharaj on Guru in D-9 chart) (v)Factor in the

yuti

> of Surya and Mangal in the 6th to the above and you get an

individual

> who is extremely goal oriented which is good in the present day

world

> The 9th house in his chart is the locus standi as you pointed out.

> Chandra in 9th aspected by Shani Maharaj and Ketu gives rise to

genuine

> moments of introspection.The aspect of Mangal is a dampner towards

> genuine genuflection as this gives him an attitude of 'WHEN IN

TROUBLE

> SMASH THROUGH THE OPPOSITION' Pls understand that I am not being

> negative about Lalit's chart (Only pointing out some factors which

> deserve attention) I will continue after getting your responses

on the

> above Regards, aavesh

>

> rk dash <arkaydash <arkaydash > wrote: Dear

> Aavesh, Chart reading away from events and material rise and fall

(or

> non-rise) requires a lot of work. The individual pieces in such a

jigsaw

> are necessary. And your spoting the pieces are okay as far I know

> astrology. Yet since esoteric astrology requires going beyond the

known

> patterns (even yogas of this nature are too few to help us in such a

> reading), we have to also understand the esoteric dynamics in human

life

> and find their corollaries in the symbolisms of astrology. All this

> requires going beyond the cut and dried approach to an extent. Take

the

> combined aspect of Mars and Ketu on moon. You throw in Saturn. And

you

> get a human being who is unlikely to meet mental comfort in the

usual

> course of living. He will be impelled to change track. It is the

station

> that decides. Change which way. You haven't noted my puting the

finger

> on the 9th hse as the station. And 10th hse. Rahu's aspect on

Saturn has

> become the red herring for you. The same Rahu can collaborate in

Ketu's

> karakatwas. Correct me. RK

>

> On 23/02/2008, aavesh t <aavesh_s

> <aavesh_s > wrote: Continuing: Shani Maharaj

> (AK) in the 3rd aspected by Rahu also poses a great challenge (This

will

> make him overly ambitious and agressive vis-a-vis career and

power).Ketu

> aspecting Rasi and Lagna will pull him in the other

direction !! A

> special point let me leave here. We tend to see Saturn touch on

Moon as

> a liability. Liability maybe at a lower plane, but asset at a higher

> plane. The world doesn't easily understand their penetration, their

> power (yes, you may say their suffering). I mean those who have

> Moon-Saturn linkages. Where they are driven! O where! And what

drives

> them? O what! Shani Maharaj aspecting Rasi is really a matter of

> concern.There is a lot of anger in him resulting from the combined

> aspects of Mangal and Ketu on Rasi (Shani Maharaj as 12th lord

aspecting

> the 9th will bring a sense of detachment over a period of time)

The

> process is going to be very painful (to put it mildly).Vargotamma

> positioning of the nodes is indicative of the fact that Lalit is

cut out

> for Greatness This greatness will come at the cost of his

personal

> happiness (4th Lord with Ketu in the 5th is a real dampner as far

as

> 'Mansik Shanti' is concerned) This is the case with all great

souls :

> They have to carry the burden of the lesser souls (who will not give

> them the time of the day after they derieve their material benifits

from

> this great personality) Lalit is too good to be true in the

present

> times Regards, aavesh

>