Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Dear Mr. Prabodh, You are giving impression that u r resentful and jealous of Chandrashekhar Ji, your Astro knowledge is failing in makeing u a good human being, u have never given any accurate prediction or did any good analysis as of now. Pls. dont be a victim of rituals, be a little more spiritual. Though, we all know that u have good knowledge of astrology but pls. have a good heart also and come up with ur theories, we are openly and receptive, we will be happy to learn any thing from u but casting dirt doesnt make anybody acceptable. I m sure u know the story of Vasisth and Viswamitra. regards, Lalit Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Instead of snide remarks, which serve no purpose, it might be good to > give your own explanation if there is one. > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > Yes it must be as simple as said! Thats the reason The Moon is > > never 'dull' when gets to Vrishabha rashi! It must be avoiding > > Amavasya-Shukla Pratipada day with Vrishabha rashi. Yes, when The Sun > > is very bright in summer and in Mesha for North Hemisphere it should > > be consider as 'bright' for South Hemisphere as well although it may > > be winter from them! > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ramanarayanan, > > > > > > You have asked a question that is very relevant and I do not know > > why > > > asking of the question should trouble anyone. I am sure you have a > > lot > > > of answers that give umpteen explanation of why a graha gets > > exalted on > > > some rasi or other. These vary from saying that a king gets strong > > in > > > house of the army general to explain Sun's getting exaltation in > > Aries > > > to every other flight of imagination. Only there is no uniformity > > of > > > application of the theories across planets. > > > > > > My personal opinion is that the grahas are at their brightest when > > in > > > those rasis where they are said to be exalted and dullest in the > > rasis > > > where they are said to be debilitated. I know that I invited being > > > ridiculed for this opinion, but let me assure you that I am not > > alone in > > > this view and that there are astronomical reasons for the aspects > > of > > > planets too, though they are explained allegorically. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > sree88ganesha wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji, > > > > > > > > Namaste. Thank your for your response. i am happy to note your > > deep > > > > interest in this Holy Subject. > > > > > > > > Sani is ready to give the anubhava of all the sins/papa karmas > > done by > > > > the jiva. Sani is the ripener. Sani rules the kali rasi Makara. > > > > > > > > i shall go into this subject later as i am on a tight work > > schedule > > > > during this week. > > > > > > > > However understanding Koorma avatar can help a lot in > > understanding > > > > the role of Sani. > > > > > > > > Meanwhile the group members and gurus of the group may please > > consider > > > > explaining as to why a graha gets exalted in one rasi and > > debilitated > > > > in other rasi. > > > > > > > > i am sorry if i had caused trouble in asking this. > > > > > > > > i shall join later. > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless. > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, " litsol " > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri P.S. RamanarayananJi, > > > > > > > > > > Thanx for showering ur knowedge on us, I w'd request you to > > elaboate > > > > > this mantra of u - > > > > > > > > > > " Sani has the capacity to debilitate Guru " . > > > > > > > > > > Pls. elaborate it sothat we can understand the reasoning behind > > > > > Guru's debilitation in capricorn. > > > > > > > > > > Recently people have started taking Saturn as a spiritual > > planet, i > > > > > was also thinking like others but now i think, saturn is more a > > > > > planet that inspires people to become cunning and cheat sothat > > they > > > > > can get punishments in future, is that a reason why Guru gets > > > > > debilitated in saturn's sign. > > > > > > > > > > Also tell us pls, what impact there will be for a person whose > > saturn > > > > > is exalted/debilitated in 9'th house of his chart, i mean in > > the seat > > > > > of the Guru, and pls. also let us know that what if Shasha Yoga > > is > > > > > formed in one's lagna, how the person will be. > > > > > > > > > > It's a good opportunity to learn some key things from u. > > > > > > > > > > on the other part of time etc... i w'd say a sadhaka knows > > there is > > > > > no importance of time, time dosnt exist for him. > > > > > > > > > > I know it.. but i enjoy being a part of time that gets > > elapsed .... > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > > 40>, " sree88ganesha " > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Chandrashekhar ji & Shri Lalit Mishra ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive the responses from you in this > > > > > regard. > > > > > > i also appreciate the efforts taken to translate ambaram as > > apparel > > > > > > and chit as chiti sakthi. May i write a few lines!!!? > > > > > > > > > > > > Swarna vilva, Ajapa Nrtya, dynamic stillness(Nataraja),the > > > > > > sabha/assembly, presence of Lord Govindaraja in lying posture, > > > > > > presence of Shri Aanjaneya in standing posture, presence of > > Shri > > > > > > Yogeswar Patanjali and Shri Vyaghrapaadar,the dance by > > MaaKaali, the > > > > > > temple structure, the poojaris/pandits/brahmanas of the > > temple are > > > > > all > > > > > > some of the various special features among others in the > > Chidambaram > > > > > > Temple. An explanation for these special features will call > > for an > > > > > > effort to write a book. > > > > > > > > > > > > The chiti sakthi brings forth the role of Mother. Siva the > > epitome > > > > > of > > > > > > stillness/existence and awareness indicates the Sat and Chit > > while > > > > > > Mother the epitome of awareness and energy indicates the Chit > > and > > > > > > Bliss. This wonderful combination of SivaSakthi Ayikya > > > > > > Swaroopa/Sat-chit-aananda swaroopa, results in the cosmic > > dance > > > > > which > > > > > > gives the dual effect of stillness and dynamism separately and > > > > > > together too! > > > > > > > > > > > > The dwadasa divisions of the zodiac is directly linked to this > > > > > cosmic > > > > > > dance. The sabha or assembly gives hint about the space > > divisions. > > > > > > This indirectly gives hints about the role of Guru (aakasha). > > If we > > > > > > stop with the explanation of 'chiti sakthi' we may be in a > > position > > > > > to > > > > > > undertstand the space divisions and 'chidambaram'. We need to > > move > > > > > > further in order to understand the rahasya portion which has > > the > > > > > > intention of explaining the concepts of time and time > > divisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > The 5 vertical lines Swarna Vilva which is kept behind the > > screens > > > > > and > > > > > > claimed as rahasya indicate the 'panchanga' or the 5 limbs of > > time. > > > > > > Time is invisible and eternal and is directly linked to the > > > > > > breath/swara. The other meaning of tri-dala vilva(other than > > the one > > > > > > given in the previous mail) is the tri-kala(past, present and > > > > > future - > > > > > > identified as 9,1 and 5 in the space divisions). > > > > > > > > > > > > How do we understand Nataraja as SivaSakthi Ayikya swaroopa? > > How do > > > > > we > > > > > > understand the principles of dynamic stillness? Here in comes > > the > > > > > > importance of the quietude of 'chit'. In order to understand > > the > > > > > space > > > > > > divisions we need the co-operation of the energy of 'chit' > > and the > > > > > > blessings of Guru. From the aakasha/ashareera(beyond the > > limitations > > > > > > of body)the help is extended through 'diksha'(Guru mantra). > > This > > > > > > mantra of the Guru has the highest potency to trace space > > within the > > > > > > realm of mind/chit. This means acceptance of Guru and > > extending > > > > > > reverence is called for here. Immense faith on the Guru and > > clear > > > > > > conviction brings forth the required platform in the manomaya > > kosha > > > > > > for the breath to transcend. This means the manosarovar will > > now > > > > > > contain the flowers of awareness and reverence. Now the > > breeze flows > > > > > > across. Breathing/the existential kriya (chiti in action) gains > > > > > enough > > > > > > motivation to move ahead. The place where the transcendence > > takes > > > > > > place is where the dance called as 'ajapa' is born. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why should this ajapa dance be given so much importance? It is > > > > > because > > > > > > only here we can understand the concept of space and space > > > > > divisions. > > > > > > In other words this 'ajapa' is the indicator or mark for us to > > > > > > understand the activated 'chiti sakthi'. > > > > > > > > > > > > As already said the Swarna vilva speaks about the concept of > > time > > > > > and > > > > > > time divisions which are collectively called as 'panchanga'. > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru represents the space divisions while Sani represents the > > time > > > > > > divisions. The time taken for both these planets to come back > > to > > > > > their > > > > > > original starting points of their journey(maintaining the > > distance > > > > > > between them in tact) is 60 years. Though these two planets > > treat > > > > > each > > > > > > other neutrally Sani has the capacity to debilitate Guru. In > > order > > > > > > that the role of Guru is not lost sight of these 60 years are > > called > > > > > > as 'jupiterian' years. The pachakadi sambandha is worth > > remembering > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Breath+awareness+reverence = Prana. This means that Prana is > > the > > > > > > universal set containing breath as subset in it! It was > > addressing > > > > > > this prana(rudra aaradhana) that King Kowsika transformed > > himself > > > > > into > > > > > > Sage Viswvmitra. > > > > > > > > > > > > The quietude of chitta/chit/mind plus the beatitude of ajapa > > nrtya > > > > > are > > > > > > the required qualifications/conditions which enable one to > > > > > understand > > > > > > the concept of space and time divisions which forms the basis > > for > > > > > > further revelations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pancha kosha is the panchavati(5 trees)where the Rama- Sita- > > Lakshmana > > > > > > reside. Let us pray to Sage Agastya to bless us also. > > > > > > > > > > > > i think you will agree that the concept of Guru and > > reverential > > > > > > approach to Guru, the Guru prasada viz., mantra and quietude > > of > > > > > > chitta/mind are essential for understanding and facilitating > > the > > > > > > mainfestation of 'chiti sakthi'. > > > > > > > > > > > > i am extremely sorry for the length of the mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless. > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit/ Ramanarayanan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pardon my interruption, but are you sure that the " Chit " in > > > > > Chidambaram > > > > > > > refers to Chitta (mind of feelings). I would think it > > refers to > > > > > the > > > > > > > Chiti shakti or Kundalini shakti. I would translate the > > word as > > > > > one > > > > > > > whose apparel is pure energy. That is why he is described > > as one > > > > > who is > > > > > > > moving and one who is motionless, one who is distant as > > well as > > > > > one > > > > > > who > > > > > > > is near, one in whom all reside but the one who is out side > > all > > > > > > > (creation). Of course my knowledge in matters religious is > > not > > > > > very > > > > > > deep. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri P.S.ramanarayanan Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar, I think God has sent u so that we can learn > > more, > > > > > It's > > > > > > quite > > > > > > > > right about Chidambara (Chitta + Ambar - akash or sky) , > > I have > > > > > some > > > > > > > > confusions that i think i should ask - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. When the mind quietens the breathing steps > > > > > > > > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the japa now > > > > > ajapa! The > > > > > > > > dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this chit+ambaram at > > the > > > > > point of > > > > > > > > time when the ordinary breathing percolates through > > > > > manomaya/sabdamaya > > > > > > > > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My experience is slight different, when mind (Mana) > > quietens, > > > > > the > > > > > > chetna > > > > > > > > (consciousness) transcedence, but it's under the mother > > divine, > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > she blesses, this transcednce is blocked, I had chanted > > crores > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > mantras, but it didnt happen, i was curious to know > > what's there > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > other side of the coin, what is cross the border, > > finally, it > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > one day, it happened spontaneously..., now ajapa and japa > > are > > > > > one and > > > > > > > > same thing to me .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont understand kosha theory much and i also think the > > prana > > > > > has no > > > > > > > > importance in spirituality, prana and pranayaam is as > > > > > superficial and > > > > > > > > physical as any organ of the body in the sense of the > > > > > > spirituality, pls. > > > > > > > > guide me more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think koshas are the level of attachements to various > > > > > instincts .. > > > > > > > > where our chetna is stuck, m not sure, telling from my > > > > > experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expecting to know more from u.. pls. tell us more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > > > > > 40>, " sree88ganesha " > > > > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > > > > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Aavesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. i thank you for addressing the > > topic 'Chidambara > > > > > > Rahasya' to > > > > > > > > > me too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chitta is seen from 5th bhava. In kalapurusha jataka it > > > > > contains the > > > > > > > > > sign Simha ruled by Sun. The karaka for 5th is Guru who > > stand > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > aakasha. The 8th amsa of this 5th bhava is > > > > > > scorpio/vrischika(watery). > > > > > > > > > The 8th bhava is considered as the gupta/rahasya bhava. > > It is > > > > > > here we > > > > > > > > > see the debilitation of chandra taking place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The stillness of the Nataraja posture which we see is > > not > > > > > > stillness in > > > > > > > > > reality but it is the height of velocity. It is said > > that > > > > > Ganga > > > > > > Mayya > > > > > > > > > wanted to see this Nrtya. It is for this specific > > reason that > > > > > she as > > > > > > > > > swarna vilva got down from the 'jata'. Is this a > > secret?! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us go further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vilva stands for praana. The tri-dala that is offered > > to the > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > stands for the activity of breathing - > > inhalation,retention > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > exhalation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra that we talked about above indicates the mana > > which in > > > > > > > > > layman's parlance stand for kaala(Sani is said to be the > > > > > higher > > > > > > octave > > > > > > > > > of chandra/Moon while Guru is considered to be the > > higher > > > > > octave of > > > > > > > > > Sun). Generally when a person has mind to do a > > particular job > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > usually finds time for the same. This is purely based > > on the > > > > > > likes and > > > > > > > > > dislikes. This is based on the ego. This usually leads > > one to > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > directions. The soma which bestows nectar/amrita > > (undying - a + > > > > > > mrita) > > > > > > > > > through the doors of Kaala acts as chandra the mana of > > the > > > > > jiva. > > > > > > Kaala > > > > > > > > > stands for limitation while Soma stands for that which > > cannot > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > limited. Soma is that Satya/Aakash/Space which can be > > reached > > > > > > when we > > > > > > > > > transcend the limitations/boundaries of kaala. From > > this we > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > understand that Sani blocks Soma. In other words Sani > > allows > > > > > Soma to > > > > > > > > > function as chandra with prescribed time limits. This > > is akin > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > state where we find dead bodies floating( or pushed > > under) in > > > > > > undying > > > > > > > > > jeeva nadi Ganga! Chidamabara Rahasya calls for this > > > > > > transformation of > > > > > > > > > kaala chakra to dik chakra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now coming back to the statement that chandra is > > debilitated > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > vrischika, we understand that the 8th amsa(rahasya) of > > the 5th > > > > > > > > > bhava(chit+ambaram) allows this transcendence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the secret in Chidambaram? To the right of Maata > > > > > > > > > Sivakamasundari we have the Lord Nataraaja. To His > > right we > > > > > have 5 > > > > > > > > > vertically lined swarna vilva(ganga). Vilva stands for > > prana > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > cannot be seen(a-drista/rahasya). Praana stands for > > sustenance > > > > > (Ganga > > > > > > > > > Mayya's heart is big indeed). 5 numbers stand for the > > pancha > > > > > praana > > > > > > > > > which are considered the prathama karakas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Praana maya kosha stands in between annamaya kosha and > > > > > manomaya > > > > > > kosha. > > > > > > > > > Using the 5th bhava if the cobwebs of manomaya kosha are > > > > > > > > > dusted(through guru mantra) the unrealized ordinary > > breathing > > > > > slows > > > > > > > > > down to give the benefit of attention of the praana > > ganga > > > > > that is > > > > > > > > > flowing within. When the mind quietens the breathing > > steps > > > > > > > > > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the japa > > now > > > > > ajapa! The > > > > > > > > > dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this chit+ambaram at > > the > > > > > point of > > > > > > > > > time when the ordinary breathing percolates through > > > > > > manomaya/sabdamaya > > > > > > > > > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me stop here as the mail is becoming lengthier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am sorry if i had bored you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > > > > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > aavesh t > > > > > > > > > aavesh_s@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear > > > > > > Lalit,Chandrashekarji,Sheevaniji,Sunilji,RKDa,Ramanarayanji > > and > > > > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please see this link: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://bharataagama s.blogspot. com/2008/ > > 02/chidambara- > > > > > rahasyam. > > > > > > > > > html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bring your gang together - do your thing. 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Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Dear Lalit Namaste > You are giving impression that u r resentful and jealous of > Chandrashekhar Ji, You may be correct but I know that you are not! Why should I be? I am no match to his knowledge,experience, achievements in Life and I do respect his age. >your Astro knowledge is failing in makeing u a > good human being, Again You may be right! After all good and bad is a relative term and there are many who feel that I am really very bad human being. You may be one of those! >u have never given any accurate prediction or did > any good analysis as of now. Here you are 100% correct. I am really a bad astrologer. No doubt about it. > Pls. dont be a victim of rituals, be a little more spiritual. I am just trying that being here. Am I not? > Though, we all know that u have good knowledge of astrology We means? How do know about my good knowledge of astrology? I never gave any correct predictions! You seem to be confused! > have a good heart also and come up with ur theories, sure I will again do it. Hopefully, people will READ it properly before getting into unwanted arguments. >we are openly > and receptive, we will be happy to learn any thing from u but I can not teach anybody here and I never claimed that as well. >casting > dirt doesnt make anybody acceptable. Acceptable? WHat dirt? How am I suppose to say that the theory provided is not correct? I have given the logic why 'dull' and 'bright' is not acceptable. To that you provided the answer that Vedic Astrlogy is India Centric! Now, before asking me the answer, it is your turn to negate my arguments. See it is very simple. One question was asked. TO that one person provides answer predictiong that it will be ridiculed. So I raised that point negating the 'Dull/Bright' theory. Instead of giving arguments in your support you are asking my answer. This is not logical. Lets first accept that 'D/B' theory is correct or otherwise then we can go for other asnwer. > I m sure u know the story of Vasisth and Viswamitra. Saraswati suffered a lot because these two! Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > Dear Mr. Prabodh, > > You are giving impression that u r resentful and jealous of > Chandrashekhar Ji, your Astro knowledge is failing in makeing u a > good human being, u have never given any accurate prediction or did > any good analysis as of now. > > Pls. dont be a victim of rituals, be a little more spiritual. > > Though, we all know that u have good knowledge of astrology but pls. > have a good heart also and come up with ur theories, we are openly > and receptive, we will be happy to learn any thing from u but casting > dirt doesnt make anybody acceptable. > > I m sure u know the story of Vasisth and Viswamitra. > > regards, > Lalit > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > Instead of snide remarks, which serve no purpose, it might be good > to > > give your own explanation if there is one. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes it must be as simple as said! Thats the reason The Moon is > > > never 'dull' when gets to Vrishabha rashi! It must be avoiding > > > Amavasya-Shukla Pratipada day with Vrishabha rashi. Yes, when The > Sun > > > is very bright in summer and in Mesha for North Hemisphere it > should > > > be consider as 'bright' for South Hemisphere as well although it > may > > > be winter from them! > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ramanarayanan, > > > > > > > > You have asked a question that is very relevant and I do not > know > > > why > > > > asking of the question should trouble anyone. I am sure you > have a > > > lot > > > > of answers that give umpteen explanation of why a graha gets > > > exalted on > > > > some rasi or other. These vary from saying that a king gets > strong > > > in > > > > house of the army general to explain Sun's getting exaltation in > > > Aries > > > > to every other flight of imagination. Only there is no > uniformity > > > of > > > > application of the theories across planets. > > > > > > > > My personal opinion is that the grahas are at their brightest > when > > > in > > > > those rasis where they are said to be exalted and dullest in the > > > rasis > > > > where they are said to be debilitated. I know that I invited > being > > > > ridiculed for this opinion, but let me assure you that I am not > > > alone in > > > > this view and that there are astronomical reasons for the > aspects > > > of > > > > planets too, though they are explained allegorically. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > sree88ganesha wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. Thank your for your response. i am happy to note your > > > deep > > > > > interest in this Holy Subject. > > > > > > > > > > Sani is ready to give the anubhava of all the sins/papa karmas > > > done by > > > > > the jiva. Sani is the ripener. Sani rules the kali rasi > Makara. > > > > > > > > > > i shall go into this subject later as i am on a tight work > > > schedule > > > > > during this week. > > > > > > > > > > However understanding Koorma avatar can help a lot in > > > understanding > > > > > the role of Sani. > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile the group members and gurus of the group may please > > > consider > > > > > explaining as to why a graha gets exalted in one rasi and > > > debilitated > > > > > in other rasi. > > > > > > > > > > i am sorry if i had caused trouble in asking this. > > > > > > > > > > i shall join later. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless. > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% 40>, " litsol " > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri P.S. RamanarayananJi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx for showering ur knowedge on us, I w'd request you to > > > elaboate > > > > > > this mantra of u - > > > > > > > > > > > > " Sani has the capacity to debilitate Guru " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. elaborate it sothat we can understand the reasoning > behind > > > > > > Guru's debilitation in capricorn. > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently people have started taking Saturn as a spiritual > > > planet, i > > > > > > was also thinking like others but now i think, saturn is > more a > > > > > > planet that inspires people to become cunning and cheat > sothat > > > they > > > > > > can get punishments in future, is that a reason why Guru > gets > > > > > > debilitated in saturn's sign. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also tell us pls, what impact there will be for a person > whose > > > saturn > > > > > > is exalted/debilitated in 9'th house of his chart, i mean in > > > the seat > > > > > > of the Guru, and pls. also let us know that what if Shasha > Yoga > > > is > > > > > > formed in one's lagna, how the person will be. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a good opportunity to learn some key things from u. > > > > > > > > > > > > on the other part of time etc... i w'd say a sadhaka knows > > > there is > > > > > > no importance of time, time dosnt exist for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know it.. but i enjoy being a part of time that gets > > > elapsed .... > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > > > 40>, " sree88ganesha " > > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Chandrashekhar ji & Shri Lalit Mishra ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive the responses from you in > this > > > > > > regard. > > > > > > > i also appreciate the efforts taken to translate ambaram > as > > > apparel > > > > > > > and chit as chiti sakthi. May i write a few lines!!!? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swarna vilva, Ajapa Nrtya, dynamic stillness (Nataraja),the > > > > > > > sabha/assembly, presence of Lord Govindaraja in lying > posture, > > > > > > > presence of Shri Aanjaneya in standing posture, presence > of > > > Shri > > > > > > > Yogeswar Patanjali and Shri Vyaghrapaadar,the dance by > > > MaaKaali, the > > > > > > > temple structure, the poojaris/pandits/brahmanas of the > > > temple are > > > > > > all > > > > > > > some of the various special features among others in the > > > Chidambaram > > > > > > > Temple. An explanation for these special features will > call > > > for an > > > > > > > effort to write a book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The chiti sakthi brings forth the role of Mother. Siva the > > > epitome > > > > > > of > > > > > > > stillness/existence and awareness indicates the Sat and > Chit > > > while > > > > > > > Mother the epitome of awareness and energy indicates the > Chit > > > and > > > > > > > Bliss. This wonderful combination of SivaSakthi Ayikya > > > > > > > Swaroopa/Sat-chit-aananda swaroopa, results in the cosmic > > > dance > > > > > > which > > > > > > > gives the dual effect of stillness and dynamism > separately and > > > > > > > together too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dwadasa divisions of the zodiac is directly linked to > this > > > > > > cosmic > > > > > > > dance. The sabha or assembly gives hint about the space > > > divisions. > > > > > > > This indirectly gives hints about the role of Guru > (aakasha). > > > If we > > > > > > > stop with the explanation of 'chiti sakthi' we may be in a > > > position > > > > > > to > > > > > > > undertstand the space divisions and 'chidambaram'. We > need to > > > move > > > > > > > further in order to understand the rahasya portion which > has > > > the > > > > > > > intention of explaining the concepts of time and time > > > divisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 5 vertical lines Swarna Vilva which is kept behind the > > > screens > > > > > > and > > > > > > > claimed as rahasya indicate the 'panchanga' or the 5 > limbs of > > > time. > > > > > > > Time is invisible and eternal and is directly linked to > the > > > > > > > breath/swara. The other meaning of tri-dala vilva(other > than > > > the one > > > > > > > given in the previous mail) is the tri-kala(past, present > and > > > > > > future - > > > > > > > identified as 9,1 and 5 in the space divisions). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do we understand Nataraja as SivaSakthi Ayikya > swaroopa? > > > How do > > > > > > we > > > > > > > understand the principles of dynamic stillness? Here in > comes > > > the > > > > > > > importance of the quietude of 'chit'. In order to > understand > > > the > > > > > > space > > > > > > > divisions we need the co-operation of the energy of 'chit' > > > and the > > > > > > > blessings of Guru. From the aakasha/ashareera(beyond the > > > limitations > > > > > > > of body)the help is extended through 'diksha'(Guru > mantra). > > > This > > > > > > > mantra of the Guru has the highest potency to trace space > > > within the > > > > > > > realm of mind/chit. This means acceptance of Guru and > > > extending > > > > > > > reverence is called for here. Immense faith on the Guru > and > > > clear > > > > > > > conviction brings forth the required platform in the > manomaya > > > kosha > > > > > > > for the breath to transcend. This means the manosarovar > will > > > now > > > > > > > contain the flowers of awareness and reverence. Now the > > > breeze flows > > > > > > > across. Breathing/the existential kriya (chiti in action) > gains > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > motivation to move ahead. The place where the > transcendence > > > takes > > > > > > > place is where the dance called as 'ajapa' is born. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why should this ajapa dance be given so much importance? > It is > > > > > > because > > > > > > > only here we can understand the concept of space and space > > > > > > divisions. > > > > > > > In other words this 'ajapa' is the indicator or mark for > us to > > > > > > > understand the activated 'chiti sakthi'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As already said the Swarna vilva speaks about the concept > of > > > time > > > > > > and > > > > > > > time divisions which are collectively called > as 'panchanga'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru represents the space divisions while Sani represents > the > > > time > > > > > > > divisions. The time taken for both these planets to come > back > > > to > > > > > > their > > > > > > > original starting points of their journey(maintaining the > > > distance > > > > > > > between them in tact) is 60 years. Though these two > planets > > > treat > > > > > > each > > > > > > > other neutrally Sani has the capacity to debilitate Guru. > In > > > order > > > > > > > that the role of Guru is not lost sight of these 60 years > are > > > called > > > > > > > as 'jupiterian' years. The pachakadi sambandha is worth > > > remembering > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Breath+awareness+reverence = Prana. This means that Prana > is > > > the > > > > > > > universal set containing breath as subset in it! It was > > > addressing > > > > > > > this prana(rudra aaradhana) that King Kowsika transformed > > > himself > > > > > > into > > > > > > > Sage Viswvmitra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The quietude of chitta/chit/mind plus the beatitude of > ajapa > > > nrtya > > > > > > are > > > > > > > the required qualifications/conditions which enable one to > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > the concept of space and time divisions which forms the > basis > > > for > > > > > > > further revelations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pancha kosha is the panchavati(5 trees)where the Rama- > Sita- > > > Lakshmana > > > > > > > reside. Let us pray to Sage Agastya to bless us also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think you will agree that the concept of Guru and > > > reverential > > > > > > > approach to Guru, the Guru prasada viz., mantra and > quietude > > > of > > > > > > > chitta/mind are essential for understanding and > facilitating > > > the > > > > > > > mainfestation of 'chiti sakthi'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am extremely sorry for the length of the mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit/ Ramanarayanan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pardon my interruption, but are you sure that > the " Chit " in > > > > > > Chidambaram > > > > > > > > refers to Chitta (mind of feelings). I would think it > > > refers to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Chiti shakti or Kundalini shakti. I would translate the > > > word as > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > whose apparel is pure energy. That is why he is > described > > > as one > > > > > > who is > > > > > > > > moving and one who is motionless, one who is distant as > > > well as > > > > > > one > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > is near, one in whom all reside but the one who is out > side > > > all > > > > > > > > (creation). Of course my knowledge in matters religious > is > > > not > > > > > > very > > > > > > > deep. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri P.S.ramanarayanan Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar, I think God has sent u so that we can learn > > > more, > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > quite > > > > > > > > > right about Chidambara (Chitta + Ambar - akash or > sky) , > > > I have > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > confusions that i think i should ask - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. When the mind quietens the breathing steps > > > > > > > > > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the japa > now > > > > > > ajapa! The > > > > > > > > > dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this chit+ambaram > at > > > the > > > > > > point of > > > > > > > > > time when the ordinary breathing percolates through > > > > > > manomaya/sabdamaya > > > > > > > > > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My experience is slight different, when mind (Mana) > > > quietens, > > > > > > the > > > > > > > chetna > > > > > > > > > (consciousness) transcedence, but it's under the > mother > > > divine, > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > > she blesses, this transcednce is blocked, I had > chanted > > > crores > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > mantras, but it didnt happen, i was curious to know > > > what's there > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > other side of the coin, what is cross the border, > > > finally, it > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > one day, it happened spontaneously..., now ajapa and > japa > > > are > > > > > > one and > > > > > > > > > same thing to me .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont understand kosha theory much and i also think > the > > > prana > > > > > > has no > > > > > > > > > importance in spirituality, prana and pranayaam is as > > > > > > superficial and > > > > > > > > > physical as any organ of the body in the sense of the > > > > > > > spirituality, pls. > > > > > > > > > guide me more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think koshas are the level of attachements to > various > > > > > > instincts .. > > > > > > > > > where our chetna is stuck, m not sure, telling from my > > > > > > experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expecting to know more from u.. pls. tell us more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > > > > > > 40>, " sree88ganesha " > > > > > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > > > > > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Aavesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. i thank you for addressing the > > > topic 'Chidambara > > > > > > > Rahasya' to > > > > > > > > > > me too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chitta is seen from 5th bhava. In kalapurusha > jataka it > > > > > > contains the > > > > > > > > > > sign Simha ruled by Sun. The karaka for 5th is Guru > who > > > stand > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > aakasha. The 8th amsa of this 5th bhava is > > > > > > > scorpio/vrischika(watery). > > > > > > > > > > The 8th bhava is considered as the gupta/rahasya > bhava. > > > It is > > > > > > > here we > > > > > > > > > > see the debilitation of chandra taking place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The stillness of the Nataraja posture which we see > is > > > not > > > > > > > stillness in > > > > > > > > > > reality but it is the height of velocity. It is said > > > that > > > > > > Ganga > > > > > > > Mayya > > > > > > > > > > wanted to see this Nrtya. It is for this specific > > > reason that > > > > > > she as > > > > > > > > > > swarna vilva got down from the 'jata'. Is this a > > > secret?! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us go further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vilva stands for praana. The tri-dala that is > offered > > > to the > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > stands for the activity of breathing - > > > inhalation,retention > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > exhalation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra that we talked about above indicates the > mana > > > which in > > > > > > > > > > layman's parlance stand for kaala(Sani is said to > be the > > > > > > higher > > > > > > > octave > > > > > > > > > > of chandra/Moon while Guru is considered to be the > > > higher > > > > > > octave of > > > > > > > > > > Sun). Generally when a person has mind to do a > > > particular job > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > usually finds time for the same. This is purely > based > > > on the > > > > > > > likes and > > > > > > > > > > dislikes. This is based on the ego. This usually > leads > > > one to > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > directions. The soma which bestows nectar/amrita > > > (undying - a + > > > > > > > mrita) > > > > > > > > > > through the doors of Kaala acts as chandra the mana > of > > > the > > > > > > jiva. > > > > > > > Kaala > > > > > > > > > > stands for limitation while Soma stands for that > which > > > cannot > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > limited. Soma is that Satya/Aakash/Space which can > be > > > reached > > > > > > > when we > > > > > > > > > > transcend the limitations/boundaries of kaala. From > > > this we > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > understand that Sani blocks Soma. In other words > Sani > > > allows > > > > > > Soma to > > > > > > > > > > function as chandra with prescribed time limits. > This > > > is akin > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > state where we find dead bodies floating( or pushed > > > under) in > > > > > > > undying > > > > > > > > > > jeeva nadi Ganga! Chidamabara Rahasya calls for this > > > > > > > transformation of > > > > > > > > > > kaala chakra to dik chakra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now coming back to the statement that chandra is > > > debilitated > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > vrischika, we understand that the 8th amsa (rahasya) > of > > > the 5th > > > > > > > > > > bhava(chit+ambaram) allows this transcendence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the secret in Chidambaram? To the right of > Maata > > > > > > > > > > Sivakamasundari we have the Lord Nataraaja. To His > > > right we > > > > > > have 5 > > > > > > > > > > vertically lined swarna vilva(ganga). Vilva stands > for > > > prana > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > cannot be seen(a-drista/rahasya). Praana stands for > > > sustenance > > > > > > (Ganga > > > > > > > > > > Mayya's heart is big indeed). 5 numbers stand for > the > > > pancha > > > > > > praana > > > > > > > > > > which are considered the prathama karakas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Praana maya kosha stands in between annamaya kosha > and > > > > > > manomaya > > > > > > > kosha. > > > > > > > > > > Using the 5th bhava if the cobwebs of manomaya > kosha are > > > > > > > > > > dusted(through guru mantra) the unrealized ordinary > > > breathing > > > > > > slows > > > > > > > > > > down to give the benefit of attention of the praana > > > ganga > > > > > > that is > > > > > > > > > > flowing within. When the mind quietens the breathing > > > steps > > > > > > > > > > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the > japa > > > now > > > > > > ajapa! The > > > > > > > > > > dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this > chit+ambaram at > > > the > > > > > > point of > > > > > > > > > > time when the ordinary breathing percolates through > > > > > > > manomaya/sabdamaya > > > > > > > > > > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me stop here as the mail is becoming lengthier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am sorry if i had bored you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > > > > > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > aavesh t > > > > > > > > > > aavesh_s@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear > > > > > > > > Lalit,Chandrashekarji,Sheevaniji,Sunilji,RKDa,Ramanarayanji > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please see this link: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://bharataagama s.blogspot. com/2008/ > > > 02/chidambara- > > > > > > rahasyam. > > > > > > > > > > html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bring your gang together - do your thing. 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Guest guest Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Prabodh Ji, Saraswati favored Vasistha only and for that favor she suffered a lot from Viswamitra. As there was no Lalit that age .. now i will ensure Neither Saraswati nor Vasistha suffers and not Viswamitra is ignored for his innovative discoveries. See, Chandrashekhar ji, Gave just an idea, he didnt establish any principle at all, which looked logical. You though passed comments in a special language, didnt come up with any theory at all. It was my opinion that i have after reading some classics that sages were india centric, coz, they dont clearly mention any other place out of india, Again it's an opinion only. That u dont give accurate analysis or prediction may be not because u cant but because it's ur choice. but it's we who see what u have in you. It's our approach that we are open to learn even from Viswamitra .. What Viswamitra does is his choice. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Prabodh Vekhande " <amolmandar wrote: > > Dear Lalit Namaste > > > You are giving impression that u r resentful and jealous of > > Chandrashekhar Ji, > > You may be correct but I know that you are not! Why should I be? I am > no match to his knowledge,experience, achievements in Life and I do > respect his age. > > > >your Astro knowledge is failing in makeing u a > > good human being, > > Again You may be right! After all good and bad is a relative term and > there are many who feel that I am really very bad human being. You > may be one of those! > > > >u have never given any accurate prediction or did > > any good analysis as of now. > > Here you are 100% correct. I am really a bad astrologer. No doubt > about it. > > > Pls. dont be a victim of rituals, be a little more spiritual. > > I am just trying that being here. Am I not? > > > Though, we all know that u have good knowledge of astrology > > We means? How do know about my good knowledge of astrology? I never > gave any correct predictions! You seem to be confused! > > > > have a good heart also and come up with ur theories, > > sure I will again do it. Hopefully, people will READ it properly > before getting into unwanted arguments. > > >we are openly > > and receptive, we will be happy to learn any thing from u but > > I can not teach anybody here and I never claimed that as well. > > >casting > > dirt doesnt make anybody acceptable. > > Acceptable? WHat dirt? How am I suppose to say that the theory > provided is not correct? I have given the logic why 'dull' > and 'bright' is not acceptable. To that you provided the answer that > Vedic Astrlogy is India Centric! Now, before asking me the answer, it > is your turn to negate my arguments. See it is very simple. One > question was asked. TO that one person provides answer predictiong > that it will be ridiculed. So I raised that point negating > the 'Dull/Bright' theory. Instead of giving arguments in your support > you are asking my answer. This is not logical. Lets first accept > that 'D/B' theory is correct or otherwise then we can go for other > asnwer. > > > > I m sure u know the story of Vasisth and Viswamitra. > > Saraswati suffered a lot because these two! > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. Prabodh, > > > > You are giving impression that u r resentful and jealous of > > Chandrashekhar Ji, your Astro knowledge is failing in makeing u a > > good human being, u have never given any accurate prediction or did > > any good analysis as of now. > > > > Pls. dont be a victim of rituals, be a little more spiritual. > > > > Though, we all know that u have good knowledge of astrology but > pls. > > have a good heart also and come up with ur theories, we are openly > > and receptive, we will be happy to learn any thing from u but > casting > > dirt doesnt make anybody acceptable. > > > > I m sure u know the story of Vasisth and Viswamitra. > > > > regards, > > Lalit > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Instead of snide remarks, which serve no purpose, it might be > good > > to > > > give your own explanation if there is one. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it must be as simple as said! Thats the reason The Moon is > > > > never 'dull' when gets to Vrishabha rashi! It must be avoiding > > > > Amavasya-Shukla Pratipada day with Vrishabha rashi. Yes, when > The > > Sun > > > > is very bright in summer and in Mesha for North Hemisphere it > > should > > > > be consider as 'bright' for South Hemisphere as well although > it > > may > > > > be winter from them! > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramanarayanan, > > > > > > > > > > You have asked a question that is very relevant and I do not > > know > > > > why > > > > > asking of the question should trouble anyone. I am sure you > > have a > > > > lot > > > > > of answers that give umpteen explanation of why a graha gets > > > > exalted on > > > > > some rasi or other. These vary from saying that a king gets > > strong > > > > in > > > > > house of the army general to explain Sun's getting exaltation > in > > > > Aries > > > > > to every other flight of imagination. Only there is no > > uniformity > > > > of > > > > > application of the theories across planets. > > > > > > > > > > My personal opinion is that the grahas are at their brightest > > when > > > > in > > > > > those rasis where they are said to be exalted and dullest in > the > > > > rasis > > > > > where they are said to be debilitated. I know that I invited > > being > > > > > ridiculed for this opinion, but let me assure you that I am > not > > > > alone in > > > > > this view and that there are astronomical reasons for the > > aspects > > > > of > > > > > planets too, though they are explained allegorically. > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > sree88ganesha wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. Thank your for your response. i am happy to note > your > > > > deep > > > > > > interest in this Holy Subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sani is ready to give the anubhava of all the sins/papa > karmas > > > > done by > > > > > > the jiva. Sani is the ripener. Sani rules the kali rasi > > Makara. > > > > > > > > > > > > i shall go into this subject later as i am on a tight work > > > > schedule > > > > > > during this week. > > > > > > > > > > > > However understanding Koorma avatar can help a lot in > > > > understanding > > > > > > the role of Sani. > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile the group members and gurus of the group may > please > > > > consider > > > > > > explaining as to why a graha gets exalted in one rasi and > > > > debilitated > > > > > > in other rasi. > > > > > > > > > > > > i am sorry if i had caused trouble in asking this. > > > > > > > > > > > > i shall join later. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless. > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > 40>, " litsol " > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri P.S. RamanarayananJi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx for showering ur knowedge on us, I w'd request you > to > > > > elaboate > > > > > > > this mantra of u - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Sani has the capacity to debilitate Guru " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. elaborate it sothat we can understand the reasoning > > behind > > > > > > > Guru's debilitation in capricorn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently people have started taking Saturn as a spiritual > > > > planet, i > > > > > > > was also thinking like others but now i think, saturn is > > more a > > > > > > > planet that inspires people to become cunning and cheat > > sothat > > > > they > > > > > > > can get punishments in future, is that a reason why Guru > > gets > > > > > > > debilitated in saturn's sign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also tell us pls, what impact there will be for a person > > whose > > > > saturn > > > > > > > is exalted/debilitated in 9'th house of his chart, i mean > in > > > > the seat > > > > > > > of the Guru, and pls. also let us know that what if > Shasha > > Yoga > > > > is > > > > > > > formed in one's lagna, how the person will be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a good opportunity to learn some key things from u. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the other part of time etc... i w'd say a sadhaka knows > > > > there is > > > > > > > no importance of time, time dosnt exist for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know it.. but i enjoy being a part of time that gets > > > > elapsed .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > > > > 40>, " sree88ganesha " > > > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > > > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Chandrashekhar ji & Shri Lalit Mishra ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive the responses from you > in > > this > > > > > > > regard. > > > > > > > > i also appreciate the efforts taken to translate > ambaram > > as > > > > apparel > > > > > > > > and chit as chiti sakthi. May i write a few lines!!!? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swarna vilva, Ajapa Nrtya, dynamic stillness > (Nataraja),the > > > > > > > > sabha/assembly, presence of Lord Govindaraja in lying > > posture, > > > > > > > > presence of Shri Aanjaneya in standing posture, > presence > > of > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > Yogeswar Patanjali and Shri Vyaghrapaadar,the dance by > > > > MaaKaali, the > > > > > > > > temple structure, the poojaris/pandits/brahmanas of the > > > > temple are > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > some of the various special features among others in the > > > > Chidambaram > > > > > > > > Temple. An explanation for these special features will > > call > > > > for an > > > > > > > > effort to write a book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The chiti sakthi brings forth the role of Mother. Siva > the > > > > epitome > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > stillness/existence and awareness indicates the Sat and > > Chit > > > > while > > > > > > > > Mother the epitome of awareness and energy indicates > the > > Chit > > > > and > > > > > > > > Bliss. This wonderful combination of SivaSakthi Ayikya > > > > > > > > Swaroopa/Sat-chit-aananda swaroopa, results in the > cosmic > > > > dance > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > gives the dual effect of stillness and dynamism > > separately and > > > > > > > > together too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dwadasa divisions of the zodiac is directly linked > to > > this > > > > > > > cosmic > > > > > > > > dance. The sabha or assembly gives hint about the space > > > > divisions. > > > > > > > > This indirectly gives hints about the role of Guru > > (aakasha). > > > > If we > > > > > > > > stop with the explanation of 'chiti sakthi' we may be > in a > > > > position > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > undertstand the space divisions and 'chidambaram'. We > > need to > > > > move > > > > > > > > further in order to understand the rahasya portion > which > > has > > > > the > > > > > > > > intention of explaining the concepts of time and time > > > > divisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 5 vertical lines Swarna Vilva which is kept behind > the > > > > screens > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > claimed as rahasya indicate the 'panchanga' or the 5 > > limbs of > > > > time. > > > > > > > > Time is invisible and eternal and is directly linked to > > the > > > > > > > > breath/swara. The other meaning of tri-dala vilva (other > > than > > > > the one > > > > > > > > given in the previous mail) is the tri-kala(past, > present > > and > > > > > > > future - > > > > > > > > identified as 9,1 and 5 in the space divisions). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do we understand Nataraja as SivaSakthi Ayikya > > swaroopa? > > > > How do > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > understand the principles of dynamic stillness? Here in > > comes > > > > the > > > > > > > > importance of the quietude of 'chit'. In order to > > understand > > > > the > > > > > > > space > > > > > > > > divisions we need the co-operation of the energy > of 'chit' > > > > and the > > > > > > > > blessings of Guru. From the aakasha/ashareera(beyond the > > > > limitations > > > > > > > > of body)the help is extended through 'diksha'(Guru > > mantra). > > > > This > > > > > > > > mantra of the Guru has the highest potency to trace > space > > > > within the > > > > > > > > realm of mind/chit. This means acceptance of Guru and > > > > extending > > > > > > > > reverence is called for here. Immense faith on the Guru > > and > > > > clear > > > > > > > > conviction brings forth the required platform in the > > manomaya > > > > kosha > > > > > > > > for the breath to transcend. This means the manosarovar > > will > > > > now > > > > > > > > contain the flowers of awareness and reverence. Now the > > > > breeze flows > > > > > > > > across. Breathing/the existential kriya (chiti in > action) > > gains > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > motivation to move ahead. The place where the > > transcendence > > > > takes > > > > > > > > place is where the dance called as 'ajapa' is born. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why should this ajapa dance be given so much > importance? > > It is > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > only here we can understand the concept of space and > space > > > > > > > divisions. > > > > > > > > In other words this 'ajapa' is the indicator or mark > for > > us to > > > > > > > > understand the activated 'chiti sakthi'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As already said the Swarna vilva speaks about the > concept > > of > > > > time > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > time divisions which are collectively called > > as 'panchanga'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru represents the space divisions while Sani > represents > > the > > > > time > > > > > > > > divisions. The time taken for both these planets to > come > > back > > > > to > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > original starting points of their journey(maintaining > the > > > > distance > > > > > > > > between them in tact) is 60 years. Though these two > > planets > > > > treat > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > other neutrally Sani has the capacity to debilitate > Guru. > > In > > > > order > > > > > > > > that the role of Guru is not lost sight of these 60 > years > > are > > > > called > > > > > > > > as 'jupiterian' years. The pachakadi sambandha is worth > > > > remembering > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Breath+awareness+reverence = Prana. This means that > Prana > > is > > > > the > > > > > > > > universal set containing breath as subset in it! It was > > > > addressing > > > > > > > > this prana(rudra aaradhana) that King Kowsika > transformed > > > > himself > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > Sage Viswvmitra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The quietude of chitta/chit/mind plus the beatitude of > > ajapa > > > > nrtya > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > the required qualifications/conditions which enable one > to > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > the concept of space and time divisions which forms the > > basis > > > > for > > > > > > > > further revelations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pancha kosha is the panchavati(5 trees)where the Rama- > > Sita- > > > > Lakshmana > > > > > > > > reside. Let us pray to Sage Agastya to bless us also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think you will agree that the concept of Guru and > > > > reverential > > > > > > > > approach to Guru, the Guru prasada viz., mantra and > > quietude > > > > of > > > > > > > > chitta/mind are essential for understanding and > > facilitating > > > > the > > > > > > > > mainfestation of 'chiti sakthi'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am extremely sorry for the length of the mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > > > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit/ Ramanarayanan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pardon my interruption, but are you sure that > > the " Chit " in > > > > > > > Chidambaram > > > > > > > > > refers to Chitta (mind of feelings). I would think it > > > > refers to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Chiti shakti or Kundalini shakti. I would translate > the > > > > word as > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > whose apparel is pure energy. That is why he is > > described > > > > as one > > > > > > > who is > > > > > > > > > moving and one who is motionless, one who is distant > as > > > > well as > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > is near, one in whom all reside but the one who is > out > > side > > > > all > > > > > > > > > (creation). Of course my knowledge in matters > religious > > is > > > > not > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > deep. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri P.S.ramanarayanan Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar, I think God has sent u so that we can > learn > > > > more, > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > quite > > > > > > > > > > right about Chidambara (Chitta + Ambar - akash or > > sky) , > > > > I have > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > confusions that i think i should ask - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. When the mind quietens the breathing steps > > > > > > > > > > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the > japa > > now > > > > > > > ajapa! The > > > > > > > > > > dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this > chit+ambaram > > at > > > > the > > > > > > > point of > > > > > > > > > > time when the ordinary breathing percolates through > > > > > > > manomaya/sabdamaya > > > > > > > > > > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My experience is slight different, when mind (Mana) > > > > quietens, > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chetna > > > > > > > > > > (consciousness) transcedence, but it's under the > > mother > > > > divine, > > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > > > she blesses, this transcednce is blocked, I had > > chanted > > > > crores > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > mantras, but it didnt happen, i was curious to know > > > > what's there > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > other side of the coin, what is cross the border, > > > > finally, it > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > one day, it happened spontaneously..., now ajapa > and > > japa > > > > are > > > > > > > one and > > > > > > > > > > same thing to me .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont understand kosha theory much and i also > think > > the > > > > prana > > > > > > > has no > > > > > > > > > > importance in spirituality, prana and pranayaam is > as > > > > > > > superficial and > > > > > > > > > > physical as any organ of the body in the sense of > the > > > > > > > > spirituality, pls. > > > > > > > > > > guide me more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think koshas are the level of attachements to > > various > > > > > > > instincts .. > > > > > > > > > > where our chetna is stuck, m not sure, telling from > my > > > > > > > experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expecting to know more from u.. pls. tell us more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > > > > > > > 40>, " sree88ganesha " > > > > > > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > > > > > > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Aavesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. i thank you for addressing the > > > > topic 'Chidambara > > > > > > > > Rahasya' to > > > > > > > > > > > me too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chitta is seen from 5th bhava. In kalapurusha > > jataka it > > > > > > > contains the > > > > > > > > > > > sign Simha ruled by Sun. The karaka for 5th is > Guru > > who > > > > stand > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > aakasha. The 8th amsa of this 5th bhava is > > > > > > > > scorpio/vrischika(watery). > > > > > > > > > > > The 8th bhava is considered as the gupta/rahasya > > bhava. > > > > It is > > > > > > > > here we > > > > > > > > > > > see the debilitation of chandra taking place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The stillness of the Nataraja posture which we > see > > is > > > > not > > > > > > > > stillness in > > > > > > > > > > > reality but it is the height of velocity. It is > said > > > > that > > > > > > > Ganga > > > > > > > > Mayya > > > > > > > > > > > wanted to see this Nrtya. It is for this specific > > > > reason that > > > > > > > she as > > > > > > > > > > > swarna vilva got down from the 'jata'. Is this a > > > > secret?! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us go further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vilva stands for praana. The tri-dala that is > > offered > > > > to the > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > stands for the activity of breathing - > > > > inhalation,retention > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > exhalation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra that we talked about above indicates the > > mana > > > > which in > > > > > > > > > > > layman's parlance stand for kaala(Sani is said to > > be the > > > > > > > higher > > > > > > > > octave > > > > > > > > > > > of chandra/Moon while Guru is considered to be the > > > > higher > > > > > > > octave of > > > > > > > > > > > Sun). Generally when a person has mind to do a > > > > particular job > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > usually finds time for the same. This is purely > > based > > > > on the > > > > > > > > likes and > > > > > > > > > > > dislikes. This is based on the ego. This usually > > leads > > > > one to > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > directions. The soma which bestows nectar/amrita > > > > (undying - a + > > > > > > > > mrita) > > > > > > > > > > > through the doors of Kaala acts as chandra the > mana > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > jiva. > > > > > > > > Kaala > > > > > > > > > > > stands for limitation while Soma stands for that > > which > > > > cannot > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > limited. Soma is that Satya/Aakash/Space which > can > > be > > > > reached > > > > > > > > when we > > > > > > > > > > > transcend the limitations/boundaries of kaala. > From > > > > this we > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > understand that Sani blocks Soma. In other words > > Sani > > > > allows > > > > > > > Soma to > > > > > > > > > > > function as chandra with prescribed time limits. > > This > > > > is akin > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > state where we find dead bodies floating( or > pushed > > > > under) in > > > > > > > > undying > > > > > > > > > > > jeeva nadi Ganga! Chidamabara Rahasya calls for > this > > > > > > > > transformation of > > > > > > > > > > > kaala chakra to dik chakra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now coming back to the statement that chandra is > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > vrischika, we understand that the 8th amsa > (rahasya) > > of > > > > the 5th > > > > > > > > > > > bhava(chit+ambaram) allows this transcendence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the secret in Chidambaram? To the right > of > > Maata > > > > > > > > > > > Sivakamasundari we have the Lord Nataraaja. To His > > > > right we > > > > > > > have 5 > > > > > > > > > > > vertically lined swarna vilva(ganga). Vilva > stands > > for > > > > prana > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be seen(a-drista/rahasya). Praana stands > for > > > > sustenance > > > > > > > (Ganga > > > > > > > > > > > Mayya's heart is big indeed). 5 numbers stand for > > the > > > > pancha > > > > > > > praana > > > > > > > > > > > which are considered the prathama karakas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Praana maya kosha stands in between annamaya > kosha > > and > > > > > > > manomaya > > > > > > > > kosha. > > > > > > > > > > > Using the 5th bhava if the cobwebs of manomaya > > kosha are > > > > > > > > > > > dusted(through guru mantra) the unrealized > ordinary > > > > breathing > > > > > > > slows > > > > > > > > > > > down to give the benefit of attention of the > praana > > > > ganga > > > > > > > that is > > > > > > > > > > > flowing within. When the mind quietens the > breathing > > > > steps > > > > > > > > > > > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the > > japa > > > > now > > > > > > > ajapa! The > > > > > > > > > > > dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this > > chit+ambaram at > > > > the > > > > > > > point of > > > > > > > > > > > time when the ordinary breathing percolates > through > > > > > > > > manomaya/sabdamaya > > > > > > > > > > > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me stop here as the mail is becoming > lengthier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am sorry if i had bored you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > > > > > > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% 40>, > > > > aavesh t > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh_s@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear > > > > > > > > > > Lalit,Chandrashekarji,Sheevaniji,Sunilji,RKDa,Ramanarayanji > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please see this link: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://bharataagama s.blogspot. com/2008/ > > > > 02/chidambara- > > > > > > > rahasyam. > > > > > > > > > > > html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bring your gang together - do your thing. 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Guest guest Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Forgot to add, despite, Viswamitra's curse Saraswati saved Saarswat .. her son and thus saved Vedas.. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > Prabodh Ji, > > Saraswati favored Vasistha only and for that favor she suffered a lot > from Viswamitra. > > As there was no Lalit that age .. now i will ensure Neither Saraswati > nor Vasistha suffers and not Viswamitra is ignored for his innovative > discoveries. > > See, Chandrashekhar ji, Gave just an idea, he didnt establish any > principle at all, which looked logical. > > You though passed comments in a special language, didnt come up with > any theory at all. > > It was my opinion that i have after reading some classics that sages > were india centric, coz, they dont clearly mention any other place > out of india, Again it's an opinion only. > > That u dont give accurate analysis or prediction may be not because u > cant but because it's ur choice. but it's we who see what u have in > you. > > It's our approach that we are open to learn even from Viswamitra .. > What Viswamitra does is his choice. > > regards, > Lalit. > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Prabodh Vekhande " > <amolmandar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Lalit Namaste > > > > > You are giving impression that u r resentful and jealous of > > > Chandrashekhar Ji, > > > > You may be correct but I know that you are not! Why should I be? I > am > > no match to his knowledge,experience, achievements in Life and I do > > respect his age. > > > > > > >your Astro knowledge is failing in makeing u a > > > good human being, > > > > Again You may be right! After all good and bad is a relative term > and > > there are many who feel that I am really very bad human being. You > > may be one of those! > > > > > > >u have never given any accurate prediction or did > > > any good analysis as of now. > > > > Here you are 100% correct. I am really a bad astrologer. No doubt > > about it. > > > > > Pls. dont be a victim of rituals, be a little more spiritual. > > > > I am just trying that being here. Am I not? > > > > > Though, we all know that u have good knowledge of astrology > > > > We means? How do know about my good knowledge of astrology? I never > > gave any correct predictions! You seem to be confused! > > > > > > > have a good heart also and come up with ur theories, > > > > sure I will again do it. Hopefully, people will READ it properly > > before getting into unwanted arguments. > > > > >we are openly > > > and receptive, we will be happy to learn any thing from u but > > > > I can not teach anybody here and I never claimed that as well. > > > > >casting > > > dirt doesnt make anybody acceptable. > > > > Acceptable? WHat dirt? How am I suppose to say that the theory > > provided is not correct? I have given the logic why 'dull' > > and 'bright' is not acceptable. To that you provided the answer > that > > Vedic Astrlogy is India Centric! Now, before asking me the answer, > it > > is your turn to negate my arguments. See it is very simple. One > > question was asked. TO that one person provides answer predictiong > > that it will be ridiculed. So I raised that point negating > > the 'Dull/Bright' theory. Instead of giving arguments in your > support > > you are asking my answer. This is not logical. Lets first accept > > that 'D/B' theory is correct or otherwise then we can go for other > > asnwer. > > > > > > > I m sure u know the story of Vasisth and Viswamitra. > > > > Saraswati suffered a lot because these two! > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr. Prabodh, > > > > > > You are giving impression that u r resentful and jealous of > > > Chandrashekhar Ji, your Astro knowledge is failing in makeing u a > > > good human being, u have never given any accurate prediction or > did > > > any good analysis as of now. > > > > > > Pls. dont be a victim of rituals, be a little more spiritual. > > > > > > Though, we all know that u have good knowledge of astrology but > > pls. > > > have a good heart also and come up with ur theories, we are > openly > > > and receptive, we will be happy to learn any thing from u but > > casting > > > dirt doesnt make anybody acceptable. > > > > > > I m sure u know the story of Vasisth and Viswamitra. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Instead of snide remarks, which serve no purpose, it might be > > good > > > to > > > > give your own explanation if there is one. > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it must be as simple as said! Thats the reason The Moon is > > > > > never 'dull' when gets to Vrishabha rashi! It must be avoiding > > > > > Amavasya-Shukla Pratipada day with Vrishabha rashi. Yes, when > > The > > > Sun > > > > > is very bright in summer and in Mesha for North Hemisphere it > > > should > > > > > be consider as 'bright' for South Hemisphere as well although > > it > > > may > > > > > be winter from them! > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramanarayanan, > > > > > > > > > > > > You have asked a question that is very relevant and I do > not > > > know > > > > > why > > > > > > asking of the question should trouble anyone. I am sure you > > > have a > > > > > lot > > > > > > of answers that give umpteen explanation of why a graha gets > > > > > exalted on > > > > > > some rasi or other. These vary from saying that a king gets > > > strong > > > > > in > > > > > > house of the army general to explain Sun's getting > exaltation > > in > > > > > Aries > > > > > > to every other flight of imagination. Only there is no > > > uniformity > > > > > of > > > > > > application of the theories across planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal opinion is that the grahas are at their > brightest > > > when > > > > > in > > > > > > those rasis where they are said to be exalted and dullest > in > > the > > > > > rasis > > > > > > where they are said to be debilitated. I know that I > invited > > > being > > > > > > ridiculed for this opinion, but let me assure you that I am > > not > > > > > alone in > > > > > > this view and that there are astronomical reasons for the > > > aspects > > > > > of > > > > > > planets too, though they are explained allegorically. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > sree88ganesha wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. Thank your for your response. i am happy to note > > your > > > > > deep > > > > > > > interest in this Holy Subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sani is ready to give the anubhava of all the sins/papa > > karmas > > > > > done by > > > > > > > the jiva. Sani is the ripener. Sani rules the kali rasi > > > Makara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i shall go into this subject later as i am on a tight work > > > > > schedule > > > > > > > during this week. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However understanding Koorma avatar can help a lot in > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > the role of Sani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile the group members and gurus of the group may > > please > > > > > consider > > > > > > > explaining as to why a graha gets exalted in one rasi and > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > in other rasi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am sorry if i had caused trouble in asking this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i shall join later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > > 40>, " litsol " > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri P.S. RamanarayananJi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx for showering ur knowedge on us, I w'd request > you > > to > > > > > elaboate > > > > > > > > this mantra of u - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Sani has the capacity to debilitate Guru " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. elaborate it sothat we can understand the > reasoning > > > behind > > > > > > > > Guru's debilitation in capricorn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently people have started taking Saturn as a > spiritual > > > > > planet, i > > > > > > > > was also thinking like others but now i think, saturn > is > > > more a > > > > > > > > planet that inspires people to become cunning and cheat > > > sothat > > > > > they > > > > > > > > can get punishments in future, is that a reason why > Guru > > > gets > > > > > > > > debilitated in saturn's sign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also tell us pls, what impact there will be for a > person > > > whose > > > > > saturn > > > > > > > > is exalted/debilitated in 9'th house of his chart, i > mean > > in > > > > > the seat > > > > > > > > of the Guru, and pls. also let us know that what if > > Shasha > > > Yoga > > > > > is > > > > > > > > formed in one's lagna, how the person will be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a good opportunity to learn some key things from u. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the other part of time etc... i w'd say a sadhaka > knows > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > no importance of time, time dosnt exist for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know it.. but i enjoy being a part of time that gets > > > > > elapsed .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > > > > > 40>, " sree88ganesha " > > > > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > > > > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Chandrashekhar ji & Shri Lalit Mishra ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive the responses from you > > in > > > this > > > > > > > > regard. > > > > > > > > > i also appreciate the efforts taken to translate > > ambaram > > > as > > > > > apparel > > > > > > > > > and chit as chiti sakthi. May i write a few lines!!!? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swarna vilva, Ajapa Nrtya, dynamic stillness > > (Nataraja),the > > > > > > > > > sabha/assembly, presence of Lord Govindaraja in lying > > > posture, > > > > > > > > > presence of Shri Aanjaneya in standing posture, > > presence > > > of > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > Yogeswar Patanjali and Shri Vyaghrapaadar,the dance by > > > > > MaaKaali, the > > > > > > > > > temple structure, the poojaris/pandits/brahmanas of > the > > > > > temple are > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > some of the various special features among others in > the > > > > > Chidambaram > > > > > > > > > Temple. An explanation for these special features > will > > > call > > > > > for an > > > > > > > > > effort to write a book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The chiti sakthi brings forth the role of Mother. > Siva > > the > > > > > epitome > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > stillness/existence and awareness indicates the Sat > and > > > Chit > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > Mother the epitome of awareness and energy indicates > > the > > > Chit > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Bliss. This wonderful combination of SivaSakthi Ayikya > > > > > > > > > Swaroopa/Sat-chit-aananda swaroopa, results in the > > cosmic > > > > > dance > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > gives the dual effect of stillness and dynamism > > > separately and > > > > > > > > > together too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dwadasa divisions of the zodiac is directly > linked > > to > > > this > > > > > > > > cosmic > > > > > > > > > dance. The sabha or assembly gives hint about the > space > > > > > divisions. > > > > > > > > > This indirectly gives hints about the role of Guru > > > (aakasha). > > > > > If we > > > > > > > > > stop with the explanation of 'chiti sakthi' we may be > > in a > > > > > position > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > undertstand the space divisions and 'chidambaram'. We > > > need to > > > > > move > > > > > > > > > further in order to understand the rahasya portion > > which > > > has > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > intention of explaining the concepts of time and time > > > > > divisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 5 vertical lines Swarna Vilva which is kept > behind > > the > > > > > screens > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > claimed as rahasya indicate the 'panchanga' or the 5 > > > limbs of > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > Time is invisible and eternal and is directly linked > to > > > the > > > > > > > > > breath/swara. The other meaning of tri-dala vilva > (other > > > than > > > > > the one > > > > > > > > > given in the previous mail) is the tri-kala(past, > > present > > > and > > > > > > > > future - > > > > > > > > > identified as 9,1 and 5 in the space divisions). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do we understand Nataraja as SivaSakthi Ayikya > > > swaroopa? > > > > > How do > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > understand the principles of dynamic stillness? Here > in > > > comes > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > importance of the quietude of 'chit'. In order to > > > understand > > > > > the > > > > > > > > space > > > > > > > > > divisions we need the co-operation of the energy > > of 'chit' > > > > > and the > > > > > > > > > blessings of Guru. From the aakasha/ashareera (beyond > the > > > > > limitations > > > > > > > > > of body)the help is extended through 'diksha'(Guru > > > mantra). > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > mantra of the Guru has the highest potency to trace > > space > > > > > within the > > > > > > > > > realm of mind/chit. This means acceptance of Guru and > > > > > extending > > > > > > > > > reverence is called for here. Immense faith on the > Guru > > > and > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > conviction brings forth the required platform in the > > > manomaya > > > > > kosha > > > > > > > > > for the breath to transcend. This means the > manosarovar > > > will > > > > > now > > > > > > > > > contain the flowers of awareness and reverence. Now > the > > > > > breeze flows > > > > > > > > > across. Breathing/the existential kriya (chiti in > > action) > > > gains > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > motivation to move ahead. The place where the > > > transcendence > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > place is where the dance called as 'ajapa' is born. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why should this ajapa dance be given so much > > importance? > > > It is > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > only here we can understand the concept of space and > > space > > > > > > > > divisions. > > > > > > > > > In other words this 'ajapa' is the indicator or mark > > for > > > us to > > > > > > > > > understand the activated 'chiti sakthi'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As already said the Swarna vilva speaks about the > > concept > > > of > > > > > time > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > time divisions which are collectively called > > > as 'panchanga'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru represents the space divisions while Sani > > represents > > > the > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > divisions. The time taken for both these planets to > > come > > > back > > > > > to > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > original starting points of their journey (maintaining > > the > > > > > distance > > > > > > > > > between them in tact) is 60 years. Though these two > > > planets > > > > > treat > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > other neutrally Sani has the capacity to debilitate > > Guru. > > > In > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > that the role of Guru is not lost sight of these 60 > > years > > > are > > > > > called > > > > > > > > > as 'jupiterian' years. The pachakadi sambandha is > worth > > > > > remembering > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Breath+awareness+reverence = Prana. This means that > > Prana > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > universal set containing breath as subset in it! It > was > > > > > addressing > > > > > > > > > this prana(rudra aaradhana) that King Kowsika > > transformed > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > Sage Viswvmitra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The quietude of chitta/chit/mind plus the beatitude > of > > > ajapa > > > > > nrtya > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > the required qualifications/conditions which enable > one > > to > > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > the concept of space and time divisions which forms > the > > > basis > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > further revelations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pancha kosha is the panchavati(5 trees)where the Rama- > > > Sita- > > > > > Lakshmana > > > > > > > > > reside. Let us pray to Sage Agastya to bless us also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think you will agree that the concept of Guru and > > > > > reverential > > > > > > > > > approach to Guru, the Guru prasada viz., mantra and > > > quietude > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > chitta/mind are essential for understanding and > > > facilitating > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > mainfestation of 'chiti sakthi'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am extremely sorry for the length of the mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > > > > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit/ Ramanarayanan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pardon my interruption, but are you sure that > > > the " Chit " in > > > > > > > > Chidambaram > > > > > > > > > > refers to Chitta (mind of feelings). I would think > it > > > > > refers to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Chiti shakti or Kundalini shakti. I would translate > > the > > > > > word as > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > whose apparel is pure energy. That is why he is > > > described > > > > > as one > > > > > > > > who is > > > > > > > > > > moving and one who is motionless, one who is > distant > > as > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > is near, one in whom all reside but the one who is > > out > > > side > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > (creation). Of course my knowledge in matters > > religious > > > is > > > > > not > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > deep. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri P.S.ramanarayanan Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar, I think God has sent u so that we can > > learn > > > > > more, > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > quite > > > > > > > > > > > right about Chidambara (Chitta + Ambar - akash or > > > sky) , > > > > > I have > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > confusions that i think i should ask - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. When the mind quietens the breathing steps > > > > > > > > > > > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the > > japa > > > now > > > > > > > > ajapa! The > > > > > > > > > > > dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this > > chit+ambaram > > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > > > point of > > > > > > > > > > > time when the ordinary breathing percolates > through > > > > > > > > manomaya/sabdamaya > > > > > > > > > > > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My experience is slight different, when mind > (Mana) > > > > > quietens, > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > chetna > > > > > > > > > > > (consciousness) transcedence, but it's under the > > > mother > > > > > divine, > > > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > > > > she blesses, this transcednce is blocked, I had > > > chanted > > > > > crores > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > mantras, but it didnt happen, i was curious to > know > > > > > what's there > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > other side of the coin, what is cross the border, > > > > > finally, it > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > one day, it happened spontaneously..., now ajapa > > and > > > japa > > > > > are > > > > > > > > one and > > > > > > > > > > > same thing to me .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont understand kosha theory much and i also > > think > > > the > > > > > prana > > > > > > > > has no > > > > > > > > > > > importance in spirituality, prana and pranayaam > is > > as > > > > > > > > superficial and > > > > > > > > > > > physical as any organ of the body in the sense of > > the > > > > > > > > > spirituality, pls. > > > > > > > > > > > guide me more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think koshas are the level of attachements to > > > various > > > > > > > > instincts .. > > > > > > > > > > > where our chetna is stuck, m not sure, telling > from > > my > > > > > > > > experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expecting to know more from u.. pls. tell us more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > > > > > > > > 40>, " sree88ganesha " > > > > > > > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > > > > > > > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Aavesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. i thank you for addressing the > > > > > topic 'Chidambara > > > > > > > > > Rahasya' to > > > > > > > > > > > > me too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chitta is seen from 5th bhava. In kalapurusha > > > jataka it > > > > > > > > contains the > > > > > > > > > > > > sign Simha ruled by Sun. The karaka for 5th is > > Guru > > > who > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > aakasha. The 8th amsa of this 5th bhava is > > > > > > > > > scorpio/vrischika(watery). > > > > > > > > > > > > The 8th bhava is considered as the > gupta/rahasya > > > bhava. > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > here we > > > > > > > > > > > > see the debilitation of chandra taking place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The stillness of the Nataraja posture which we > > see > > > is > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > stillness in > > > > > > > > > > > > reality but it is the height of velocity. It is > > said > > > > > that > > > > > > > > Ganga > > > > > > > > > Mayya > > > > > > > > > > > > wanted to see this Nrtya. It is for this > specific > > > > > reason that > > > > > > > > she as > > > > > > > > > > > > swarna vilva got down from the 'jata'. Is this a > > > > > secret?! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us go further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vilva stands for praana. The tri-dala that is > > > offered > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > stands for the activity of breathing - > > > > > inhalation,retention > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > exhalation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra that we talked about above indicates > the > > > mana > > > > > which in > > > > > > > > > > > > layman's parlance stand for kaala(Sani is said > to > > > be the > > > > > > > > higher > > > > > > > > > octave > > > > > > > > > > > > of chandra/Moon while Guru is considered to be > the > > > > > higher > > > > > > > > octave of > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun). Generally when a person has mind to do a > > > > > particular job > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > usually finds time for the same. This is purely > > > based > > > > > on the > > > > > > > > > likes and > > > > > > > > > > > > dislikes. This is based on the ego. This > usually > > > leads > > > > > one to > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > directions. The soma which bestows nectar/amrita > > > > > (undying - a + > > > > > > > > > mrita) > > > > > > > > > > > > through the doors of Kaala acts as chandra the > > mana > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > jiva. > > > > > > > > > Kaala > > > > > > > > > > > > stands for limitation while Soma stands for > that > > > which > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > limited. Soma is that Satya/Aakash/Space which > > can > > > be > > > > > reached > > > > > > > > > when we > > > > > > > > > > > > transcend the limitations/boundaries of kaala. > > From > > > > > this we > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > understand that Sani blocks Soma. In other > words > > > Sani > > > > > allows > > > > > > > > Soma to > > > > > > > > > > > > function as chandra with prescribed time > limits. > > > This > > > > > is akin > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > > state where we find dead bodies floating( or > > pushed > > > > > under) in > > > > > > > > > undying > > > > > > > > > > > > jeeva nadi Ganga! Chidamabara Rahasya calls for > > this > > > > > > > > > transformation of > > > > > > > > > > > > kaala chakra to dik chakra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now coming back to the statement that chandra is > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > vrischika, we understand that the 8th amsa > > (rahasya) > > > of > > > > > the 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava(chit+ambaram) allows this transcendence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the secret in Chidambaram? To the right > > of > > > Maata > > > > > > > > > > > > Sivakamasundari we have the Lord Nataraaja. To > His > > > > > right we > > > > > > > > have 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > vertically lined swarna vilva(ganga). Vilva > > stands > > > for > > > > > prana > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be seen(a-drista/rahasya). Praana stands > > for > > > > > sustenance > > > > > > > > (Ganga > > > > > > > > > > > > Mayya's heart is big indeed). 5 numbers stand > for > > > the > > > > > pancha > > > > > > > > praana > > > > > > > > > > > > which are considered the prathama karakas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Praana maya kosha stands in between annamaya > > kosha > > > and > > > > > > > > manomaya > > > > > > > > > kosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Using the 5th bhava if the cobwebs of manomaya > > > kosha are > > > > > > > > > > > > dusted(through guru mantra) the unrealized > > ordinary > > > > > breathing > > > > > > > > slows > > > > > > > > > > > > down to give the benefit of attention of the > > praana > > > > > ganga > > > > > > > > that is > > > > > > > > > > > > flowing within. When the mind quietens the > > breathing > > > > > steps > > > > > > > > > > > > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making > the > > > japa > > > > > now > > > > > > > > ajapa! The > > > > > > > > > > > > dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this > > > chit+ambaram at > > > > > the > > > > > > > > point of > > > > > > > > > > > > time when the ordinary breathing percolates > > through > > > > > > > > > manomaya/sabdamaya > > > > > > > > > > > > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me stop here as the mail is becoming > > lengthier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am sorry if i had bored you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > 40>, > > > > > aavesh t > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh_s@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit,Chandrashekarji,Sheevaniji,Sunilji,RKDa,Ramanarayanji > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please see this link: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://bharataagama s.blogspot. com/2008/ > > > > > 02/chidambara- > > > > > > > > rahasyam. > > > > > > > > > > > > html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bring your gang together - do your thing. > Start > > > your > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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