Shani Maharaj in the 9th house - Father' Issue

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Dear Sir,

 

I have got two horoscopes in which Saturn's placement in 9'th house

has not affected the father's health, both the native's father's are

in good health and of good repute.

 

You are quite right that Sun and Pitrakaraka should be taken into

account, I m becoming more and more inclined that 10'th is the house

for reading one's Father in the horoscopes.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t

<aavesh_s wrote:

>

> Dear Saaji,

>

> Nice to get your response on my posting

>

> You have rightly pointed out the importance of looking at a chart

in totality (including using Moon as reference apart from the Lagna)

>

> Shani Maharaj when placed in Neecha Rasi in the 9th affects the

father's health adversely (The other details have to be seen from the

placement of Surya,Charaka Pitrakaraka and the strength of the 9th

and 10th lords)

>

> Interestingly,the LAL KITAB has a very good opinion on placement

of Shani Maharaj in the 9th house (which works remarkably well in

my experience)

>

> Regards,

>

> aavesh

>

>

> Saaji Bhaskaran <saajik wrote:

> Dear Aavesh ji,

>

> I consider Shani the karaka of philosophy, I think this will be the

> better term, not spirituality. Saturn rules renunciation also.

> Spirituality (tradition, religion) is ruled by Jupiter.

>

> Its difficult to categorically state a result, as other factors

> overlap and results vary. 9th house indications, Saturn's

> significations, Dashas, other aspects and influences all make

results

> specific. This you also know. For Saturn exalted in the 9th, I have

> gone through many horos(with Astro Data Bank, some 99 horos), and

> results vary from homosexuals to good astrologers or even

> industrialists(in other words, materialistic) influenced by other

> factors .However, here Lagna lord strong in 9th house, is part of

> Tapaswi yoga with subha shad vargas for lagna and 10th house. For

> Saturn debilitated in the 9th again there are very good results as

> the greatest football player Pele is also born in this group.

Infact

> he has Sun also debilitated. ( Neecha bhanga raja yoga is the

> greatest yoga ofcourse, provided we are able to assess the

strength.)

> If Lagna and Moon are not affl icted, neecha bhanga for the

> debilitated saturn can give good results. But otherwise it leads to

> depression, as a weak saturn which now adds to affliction to Lagna

> increases grief and make a person weak. How much one can overcome

> this and divert abilities in good channels, we should be able to

> understand.

>

> Let me take one of the 9th house signification, father. Saturn in

the

> 9th shows difficulties for father. Whether one will loose father

> early, whether father and native will live separately thereby

> depriving one father's support, or whether he will enjoy his full

> love and care etc all depends on the 9th lord and Sun also. So in

> these cases, we have to see the Venus / Mars and seperate karakas.

>

> BTW, I consider Moon also as Lagna and see results from Moon also.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Saaji Bhaskaran

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t

> <aavesh_s@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,Chandrashekarji and Group,

> >

> > Shani Maharaj in the 9th is really an enigma in my opinion.It

> does not always lead to sprituality !!

> >

> > Please have a look at the chart of JP Morgan Sr which illustrates

> this point

> >

> > His birth details:

> >

> > D.o.b: 17th April 1837

> >

> > Time: 03:53:00

> >

> > Place:Hartford (Connecticut)

> >

> > All members are requested to participate in this discussion which

> will help in unravelling this enigma

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > aavesh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > aavesh t <aavesh _s wrote:

> > Sun, 2 Mar 2008 01:32:29 +0000 (GMT)

> > aavesh t <aavesh_s@>

> > Shani Maharaj in the 9th house

> > vedic astrology <Vedic Astrologyandhealing >

> >

> > Dear Lalit and Chandrashekarji,

> >

> > I am adding a few points to Lalit's query:

> >

> > (i) Shani Maharaj in 9th when placed in Uccha Rasi gives rise to

> a native of great spiritual caliber (Ramakrishna Paramahamsha' s

> chart is a good example of this)

> >

> > (ii)Shani Maharaj in 9th in Neecha Rasi (Simha Lagna) is a very

> difficult position from the point of view of worldly progress.

> >

> > The native has to struggle against great odds for success in the

> material sphere.This will continue uptil the age of 38 years.

> > In case the chart has got a strongly placed Guru and Budha then

> life will be simpler for the native

> >

> > As Chandrashekarji rightly pointed out ,Shani Maharaj in the 9th

> unaspected by any Graha leads to Pravrajya yoga (This is

particularly

> true if Shani Maharaj is also aspecting the natal Moon in the chart)

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > aavesh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > In case of Makara Lagna, 9th bhava is Virgo rasi and Saturn does

> not get exalted there. If you are thinking about Kumbha lagna then

of

> course Saturn gets exalted in its 9th bhava which happens to be

> Libra.

> >

> > In that case first it is good to remember that when a Malefic is

> lord of a kendra ( which Lagna is) it does not give malefic results

> or rat her its malfeasance is toned down in its dasha. As to your

> question:

> >

> > 1) Lagna lord being lord of a Kendra occupying a Trikona causes

raj

> yoga. Being lagna and 12th lord it could also indicate that the

> jataka creates his own bhagya (is extremely hardworking perhaps)

and

> there could be some problems to the father.

> >

> > 2) Saturn though malefic is least harmful when it is strong and

> here it is in exaltation and occupying a Trine, so it is extremely

> powerful and will cause the least of problems. Its aspect on the

3rd

> will also make the person quite valorous, and though its aspect on

> the 6th could give some breathing troubles, it will also indicate

> that the Jataka will overcome his enemies.

> >

> > Additionally it is good to remember that Saturn in the 9th, if

> unaspected could also lead to Pravrajya yoga.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandr ashekhar.

> >

> > litsol wrote: Dear Sir,

> >

> > I wanted to understand the saturn's exaltation in the 9'th house

> for

> > the Makara Lagna.

> >

> > How saturn will behave in this case, will it bring pravajya

> > instincts, I want to how we can understand this case there are 2

> > things - 1. lagna lord is placed in 9'th and exalted

> > 2. this is a malific.

> >

> > pls. help me to grasp the logic, same is, if saturn is debilated

in

> > 9'th house then what will happe to native's bhagya and dharma.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > Thank you for understanding me. There are two dimensions to the

> > stories.

> > > If they are given to illustrate some astrological or

astronomical

> > point,

> > > there is no harm in them. The problem only arises when they

> > represent

> > > only flights of imagination,more than illustrating some

principle.

> > >

> > > As to Saturn getting exalted in natural seat of Guru. That is

> > > Sagittarius. It does not get either exalted or debilitated

there.

> > It is

> > > exalted in Libra and gets debilitated in Aries. But Saturn in

the

> > > natural seat of Guru in a chart that is the 9th bhava and

> > unaspected by

> > > any planet do es indicate Pravrajya yoga, if memory serves me

> right.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > litsol wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanx for giving the idea of some astronomical resaons behind

> the

> > > > theory of exlatation and debilitation, I could also never

> accept

> > the

> > > > stories which are cooked up in the internet version of

> astrology

> > like

> > > > the one u urself stated - " saying that a king gets strong in

> > > > house of the army general to explain Sun's getting exaltation

in

> > > > Aries to every other flight of imagination "

> > > >

> > > > These stories looks baseless.

> > > >

> > > > Pls. let us know more and also tell what is the signification

of

> > > > Saturn's exlatation/debilitation in 9'th house, on the Guru's

> > na tural

> > > > seat.

> > > >

> > > & g t; regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ramanarayanan,

> > > > >

> > > > > You have asked a question that is very relevant and I do

not

> > know

> > > > why

> > > > > asking of the question should trouble anyone. I am sure you

> > have a

> > > > lot

> > > > > of answers that give umpteen explanation of why a graha gets

> > > > exalted on

> > > > > some rasi or other. These vary from saying t hat a king

gets

> > strong

> > > > in

> > > > > house of the army general to explain Sun's getting

exaltation

> in

> > > > Aries

> > > > > to every other flight of imagination. Only there is no

> > uniformity

> > > > of

> > > > > application of the theories across planets.

> > > > >

> > > > > My personal opinion is that the grahas are at their

brightest

> > when

> > > > in

> > > > > those rasis where they are said to be exalted and dullest

in

> the

> > > > rasis

> > > > > where they are said to be debilitated. I know that I

invited

> > being

> > > > > ridiculed for this opinion, but let me assure you that I am

> not

> > > > alone in

> > > > > this view and that there are astronomical reasons for the

> > aspects

> > > > of

> > > > > planets too, though they are explained allegorically.

> > > > ; >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > sree88ganesha wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste. Thank your for your response. i am happy to note

> your

> > > > deep

> > > > > > interest in this Holy Subject.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sani is ready to give the anubhava of all the sins/papa

> karmas

> > > > done by

> > > > > > the jiva. Sani is the ripener. Sani rules the kali rasi

> > ; Makara.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i shall go into this subject later as i am on a tight work

> > > > schedule

> > > > > > during this week.

> > > > & gt; >

> > > > > > However understanding Koorma avatar can help a lot in

> > > > understanding

> > > > > > the role of Sani.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Meanwhile the group members and gurus of the group may

> please

> > > > consider

> > > > > > explaining as to why a graha gets exalted in one rasi and

> > > > debilitated

> > > > > > in other rasi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i am sorry if i had caused trouble in asking this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i shall join later.

> > > > > >

> > > > ; > > Best wishes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May Mother Bless.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%

> 40>, " litsol "

> > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Resp Sri P.S. RamanarayananJi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanx for showering ur knowedge on us, I w'd request

you

> to > > > elaboate

> > > > > > > this mantra of u -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Sani has the capacity to debilitate Guru " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls. el aborate it sothat we can understand the

reasoning

> > behind

> > > > > > > Guru's debilitation in capricorn.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Recently people have started taking Saturn as a

spiritual

> > > > planet, i

> > > > > > > was also thinking like others but now i think, saturn

is

> > more a

> > > > > > > planet that inspires people to become cunning and cheat

> > sothat

> > > > they

> > > > > > > can get punishments in future, is that a reason why

Guru

> > gets

> > > > > > > debilitated in saturn's sign.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also tell us pls, what impact there will be for a

person

> > whose

> > > > saturn

> > > > > > > is exalted/debilitated in 9'th house of his chart, i

mean

> in

> > > > the seat

> > > > > > > of the Guru, a nd pls. also let us know that what if

> Shasha

> > Yoga

> > > > is

> > > > > > > formed in one's lagna, how the person will be.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It's a good opportunity to learn some key things from u.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > on the other part of time etc... i w'd say a sadhaka

knows

> > > > there is

> > > > > > > no importance of time, time dosnt exist for him.

> > > > > & g t; >

> > > > > > > I know it.. but i enjoy being a part of time that gets

> > > > elapsed ....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%

> > > > 40>, " sree88ganesha "

> > > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANA NDAMAYAM

> > > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Chandrashekhar ji & Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive the responses from you

> in

> > this

> > > > > > > regard.

> > > > > > & gt; > i also appreciate the efforts taken to translate

> ambaram

> > as

> > > > apparel

> > > > > > > > and chit as chiti sakthi. May i write a few lines!!!?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Swarna vilva, Ajapa Nrtya, dynamic stillness

> (Nataraja),the

> > > > > > > > sabha/assembly, presence of Lord Govindaraja in lying

> > posture,

> > > > > > > > presence of Shri Aanja neya in standing posture,

> presence

> > of

> > > > Shri

> > > > > > > > Yogeswar Patanjali and Shri Vyaghrapaadar,the dance by

> > > > MaaKaali, the

> > > > > > > > temple structure, the poojaris/pandits/brahmanas of

the

> > > > temple are

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > some of the various special features among others in

the

> > > > Chidambaram

> > > > > > > > Temple. An explanation for these special features

will

> > call

> > > > for an

> > > > > > > > effort to write a book.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The chiti sakthi brings forth the role of Mother.

Siva

> the

> > > > epitome

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > ; stillness/existence and awareness indicates the Sat

and

> > Chit

> > > > while

> > > > > > > > Mother the epitome of awareness and energy indicates

> the

> > Chit

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Bliss. This wonderful combination of SivaSakthi Ayikya

> > > > > > > > Swaroopa/Sat-chit-aananda swaroopa, results in the

> cosmic

> > > > dance

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > gives the dual effect of stillness and dynamism

> > separately and

> > > > > > & gt; > together too!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The dwadasa divisions of the zodiac is directly

linked

> to

> > this

> > > > > > > cosmic

> > > > > > > > dance. The sabha or assembly gives hin t about the

space

> > > > divisions.

> > > > > > > > This indirectly gives hints about the role of Guru

> > (aakasha).

> > > > If we

> > > > > > > > stop with the explanation of 'chiti sakthi' we may be

> in a

> > > > position

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > undertstand the space divisions and 'chidambaram'. We

> > need to

> > > > move

> > > > > > > > further in order to understand the rahasya portion

> which

> > has

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > intention of explaining the concepts of time and time

> > > > division s.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The 5 vertical lines Swarna Vilva which is kept

behind

> the

> > > > screens

> & gt; > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > claimed as rahasya indicate the 'panchanga' or the 5

> > limbs of

> > > > time.

> > > > > > > > Time is invisible and eternal and is directly linked

to

> > the

> > > > > > > > breath/swara. The other meaning of tri-dala vilva

(other

> > than

> > > > the one

> > > > > > > > given in the previous mail) is the tri-kala(past,

> present

> > and

> > > > > > > future -

> > > > > > > > identified as 9,1 and 5 in the space divisions).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How do we understand Nataraja as SivaSakthi Ayikya

> > swaroopa?

> > > > How do

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > understand the principles of d ynamic stillness? Here

in

> > comes

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > importance of the quietude of 'chit'. In order to

> > understand

> > > > the

> > > > > > > space

> > > > > > > > divisions we need the co-operation of the energy

> of 'chit'

> > > > and the

> > > > > > > > blessings of Guru. From the aakasha/ashareera(beyond

the

> > > > limitations

> > > > > > > > of body)the help is extended through 'diksha'(Guru

> > mantra).

> > > > This

> > > > > > > > mantra of the Guru has the highest potency to trace

> space

> > > > within the

> > > > > > > > realm of mind/chit. This means acceptance of Guru and

> > > > extending

> > > > > > > & g t; reverence is called for here. Immense faith on

the Guru

> > and

> > > > clear

> > > > > > > > conviction brings forth the required platform in the

> > manomaya

> > > > kosha

> > > > > > > > for the breath to transcend. This means the

manosarovar

> > will

> > > > now

> > > > > > > > contain the flowers of awareness and reverence. Now

the

> > > > breeze flows

> > > > > > > > across. Breathing/the existential kriya (chiti in

> action)

> > gains

> > > > > > > enough

> > > > > > > > motivation to move ahead. The place where the

> > transcendence

> > > > takes

> > > > > > > > place is where the dance called as 'ajapa' is born.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > & gt; > > Why should this ajapa dance be given so much

> importance?

> > It is

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > only here we can understand the concept of space and

> space

> > > > > > > divisions.

> > > > > > > > In other words this 'ajapa' is the indicator or mark

> for

> > us to

> > > > > > > > understand the activated 'chiti sakthi'.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As already said the Swarna vilva speaks about the

> concept

> > of

> > > > time

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > time divisions which are collectively called

> > as 'panchanga'.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Guru represents the space divisions while Sani

> represents

> > the

> > > > time

> > > > > > > > divisions. The time taken for both these planets to

> come

> > back

> > > > to

> > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > origin al starting points of their journey

(maintaining

> the

> > > > distance

> > > > > > > > between them in tact) is 60 years. Though these two

> > planets

> > > > treat

> > > > > > > each

> > > > > > > > other neutrally Sani has the capacity to debilitate

> Guru.

> > In

> > > > order

> > > > > > > > that the role of Guru is not lost sight of these 60

> years

> > are

> > > > called

> > > > > > > > as 'jupiterian' years. The pachakadi sambandha is

worth

> > > > remembering

> > > > > > > here.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Breath+awareness+reverence = Prana. This means that

> Prana

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > universal set containing breath as subset in it! It

was

> > > > addressing

> > > > > > > > this prana (rudra aaradhana) that King Kowsika

> transformed

> > > > himself

> > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > Sage Viswvmitra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The quietude of chitta/chit/mind plus the beatitude

of

> > ajapa

> > > > nrtya

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > the required qualifications/conditions which enable

one

> to

> > > > > & g t; > understand

> > > > > > > > the concept of space and time divisions which forms

the

> > basis

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > further revelations.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pancha kosha is the panchavati(5 trees)where the Rama-

> > Sita-

> > > > Lakshmana

> > > > > > > > reside. Let us pray to Sage Agastya to bless us also.

> > > > > > > >

> > & gt; > > > > > i think you will agree that the concept of Guru

and

> > > > reverential

> > > > > > > > approach to Guru, the Guru prasada viz., mantra and

> > quietude

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > chitta/mind are essential for understanding and

> > facilitating

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > ; mainfestation of 'chiti sakthi'.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i am extremely sorry for the length of the mail.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best wishes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > May Mother Bless.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > > > ; Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit/ Ramanarayanan,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pardon my interruption, but are you sure that

> > the " Chit " in

> > > > > > > Chidambaram

> > > > > > > > > refers to Chitta (mind of feelings). I would think

it

> > > > refers to

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Chiti shakti or Kundalini shakti. I would translate

> the

> > > > word as

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > whose apparel is pure energy. That is why he is

> > described

> > > > as one

> > > > > > > who is

> > ; > > > > > > > moving and one who is motionless, one who is

distant

> as

> > > > well as

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > is near, one in whom all reside but the one who is

> out

> > side

> > > > all

> > > > > > > > > (creation). Of course my knowledge in matters

> religious

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > deep.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri P.S.ramanarayanan Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar, I think God has sent u so that we can

> learn

> > > > more,

> > > > > > > It's

> > > > > > > > quite

> > > > > > > > > > right about Chidambara (Chitta + Ambar - akash or

> > sky) ,

> > > > I have

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > confusions that i think i should ask -

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1. When the mind quietens the breathing steps

> > > > > > > > > > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the

> japa

> > now

> > > > > > > ajapa! The

> > > > > > > > > & g t; dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this

> chit+ambaram

> > at

> > > > the

> > > > > > > point of

> > > > > > > > > > time when the ordinary breathing percolates

through

> > > > > > > manomaya/sabdamaya

> > > > > > > > > > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My experience is slight different, when mind

(Mana)

> > > > quietens,

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > chetna

> > > > > > > > > > (consciousness) transcedence, but it's under the

> > mother

> > > > divine,

> > > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > > > > she blesses, this transcednce is blocked, I had

> > cha nted

> > > > crores

> > > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > > > mantras, but it didnt happen, i was curious to

know

> > > > what's there

> > > > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > other side of the coin, what is cross the border,

> > > > finally, it

> > > > > > > happened

> > > > > > > > > > one day, it happened spontaneously..., now ajapa

> and

> > japa

> > > > are

> > > > > > > one and

> > > > > > > > > > same thing to me ..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I dont understand kosha theory much and i also

> think

> > the

> > > > prana

> > > > > > > has no

> > > > & gt; > > > > > importance in spiritua lity, prana and

pranayaam is

> as

> > > > > > > superficial and

> > > > > > > > > > physical as any organ of the body in the sense of

> the

> > > > > > > > spirituality, pls.

> > > > > > > > > > guide me more.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think koshas are the level of attachements to

> > various

> > > > > > > instincts ..

> > > > > > > > > > where our chetna is stuck, m not sure, telling

from

> my

> > > > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > expecting to know more from u.. pls. tell us more.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > ; > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > & g t; > > > > > > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%

> > > > > > > 40>, " sree88ganesha "

> > > > > > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > SARVAM GY ANA NANDAMAYAM

> > > > > > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Aavesh ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. i thank you for addressing the

> > > > topic 'Chidambara

> > > > > > > > Rahasya' to

> > > > > > > > > > > me too.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chitta is seen from 5th bhava. In kalapurusha

> > jataka it

> > > > > > > contains the

> > > > > > > > > > > sign Simha ruled by Sun. The karaka for 5th is

> Guru

> > who

> > > > stand

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > ; > > > > > > aakasha. The 8th amsa of this 5th bhava is

> > > > > > > > scorpio/vrischika(watery).

> > > > > > > > > > > The 8th bhava is considered as the

gupta/rahasya

> > bhava.

> > > > It is

> > > > > > > > here we

> > > > > > > > > > > see the debilitation of chandra taking place.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The stillness of the Nataraja posture which we

> see

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > stillness in

> > > > > > > > > > > reality but it is the height of velocity. It is

> said

> > > > that

> > > > > > > Ganga

> > > > > > > > Mayya

> > > > > > > > & gt; > > wanted to see this Nrtya. It is for this

specific

> > > > reason that

> > > > > > > she as

> > > > > > > > > > > swarna vi lva got down from the 'jata'. Is this

a

> > > > secret?!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Let us go further.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vilva stands for praana. The tri-dala that is

> > offered

> > > > to the

> > > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > stands for the activity of breathing -

> > > > inhalation,retention

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > exhalation.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > ; > > > > > > > Chandra that we talked about above indicates

the

> > mana

> > > > which in

> > > > > > > > > > > layman's parlance stand for kaala(Sani is said

to

> > be the

> > > > > > > hig her

> > > > > > > > octave

> > > > > > > > > > > of chandra/Moon while Guru is considered to be

the

> > > > higher

> > > > > > > octave of

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun). Generally when a person has mind to do a

> > > > particular job

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > usually finds time for the same. This is purely

> > based

> > > > on the

> > > > > > > > likes and

> > > > > > > > > > > dislikes. This is b ased on the ego. This

usually

> > leads

> > > > one to

> > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > directions. The soma which bestows nectar/amrita

> > > > (undying - a +

> > > > > > > > mrita)

> > > > > > > > > > > through the doors of Kaala acts as chandra the

> mana

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > jiva.

> > > > > > > > Kaala

> > > > > > > > > > > stands for limitation while Soma stands for

that

> > which

> > > > cannot

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > limited. Soma is that Satya/Aakash/Space which

> can

> > be

> > > > reached

> > > > > > > > when we

> > > > > > > ; > > > > transcend the limitations/boundaries of

kaala.

> From

> > > > this we

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > understand that Sani blocks Soma. In other

words

> > Sani

> > > > allows

> > > > > > > Soma to

> > > > > > > > > > > function as chandra with prescribed time

limits.

> > This

> > > > is akin

> > > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > > > > state where we find dead bodies floating( or

> pushed

> > > > under) in

> > > > > > > > undying

> > > > > > > > > > > jeeva nadi Ganga! Chidamabara Rahasya calls for

> this

> > > > > > > > transformation of

> > > > > > > > > > > kaala chakra to di k chakra.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now coming back to the statement that chandra is

> > > > debilitated

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > vrischika, we understand that the 8th amsa

> (rahasya)

> > of

> > > > the 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > bhava(chit+ambaram) allows this transcendence.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What is the secre t in Chidambaram? To the

right

> of

> > Maata

> > > > > > > > > > > Sivakamasundari we have the Lord Nataraaja. To

His

> > > > right we

> > > > > > > have 5

> > > > > > > > > > > vertically lined swarna vilva(ganga). Vilva

> s tands

> > for

> > > > prana

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > cannot be seen(a-drista/rahasya). Praana stands

> for

> > > > sustenance

> > > > > > > (Ganga

> > > > > > > > > > > Mayya's heart is big indeed). 5 numbers stand

for

> > the

> > > > pancha

> > > > > > > praana

> > > > > > > > > > > which are considered the prathama karakas.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Praana maya kosha stands in between annamaya

> kosha

> > and

> > > > > > > manomaya

> > > > > > > > kosha.

> > > > > > > > > > > Using the 5th bhava if the cobwebs of manomaya

> > kosha are > > > > > > > > > > dusted(through guru mantra) the

unrealized

> ordinary

> > > > breathing

> > > > > > > slows

> > > > > > > > > > > down to give the benefit of attention of the

> praana

> > > > ganga

> > > > > > > that is

> > > > > > > > > > > flowing within. When the mind quietens the

> breathing

> > > > steps

> > > > > > > > > > > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making

the

> > japa

> > > > now

> > > > > > > ajapa! The

> > > > > > > > > > > dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this

> > chit+ambaram at

> > > > the

> > > > > > > point of

> > > > > > > > > > > time when the ordinary breath ing percolates

> through

> > > > > > > > manomaya/sabdamaya

> > > > > > > > > > > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Let me stop here as the mail is becoming

> lengthier.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > i am sorry if i had bored you.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > > > > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayana n.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%

40>,

> > > > aavesh t

> > > > > > > > > > > aavesh_s@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > D ear

> > > > > > > >

> > Lalit,Chandrashekarji,Sheevaniji,Sunilji,RKDa,Ramanarayanji

> > > > and

> > > & gt; > > > > > > > Group,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Please see this link:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > http://bharataagama s.blogspot. com/2008/

> > > > 02/chidambara-

> > > > > > > rahasyam.

> > > > > > > > > > > html

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bring your gang together - do your thing.

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