RamNarain Ji !! - Maha Sivarathri and Guru/Shani

[Guest guest]

Dear Ramanarayan ji Chandrashekhar ji and other respected members

 

It is really great to read the views expressed.

Due to lack of time ,i have been unable to share my understatnding so

far, on what you have explained.

 

As understood from the colour disc resulting in white light,upon

rotation - your views on the stillness of Nataraja as height of

velocity is intutive and great.Thank you very much for sharing your

views.

 

Similarly i assume height of velocity and supreme concentration are

two sides of the same coin.Srishti ,Sthithi Samhara may also be

correlated with the breath aspects that you have explained.

 

Due to HIS blessing and blessing of Gurus ,the concept explained is

unfolding in front of humble souls like me - Samhara Moorthi engaging

in Tandava,as height of velocity.

 

Guru as progression of atma and Sani as progression of mana is

intutive too.

 

The teaching and experiments that one has to undergo from Sani

maharaja is definitely a check on mind- the dwindling or restriction

of reflective identity - a means for mukthi from the clutches of TIME.

 

Similarly Guru the expansive element- the karaka for the expansion or

blossoming of aakasha padma - is a progression of atma tattwa as you

have kindly explained.

 

Makara the Karma Mandala and material/practical canvas in the natural

horoscope is ruled by Sani.The expansion indicated by Guru is not

confined to or restricted by the realms of TIME.Thus it is natural

that Guru has to feel debilitated in this Kshethra.

 

However the very Sani is also responsible for restriction of

mana.Sani or manda, moving at a slow pace keeps a record of our

karmas and rewards us with fruits,at a later stage.Vairagya is infact

a check or self enforced restraint on Mana.

 

It is also intersting to note the exaltation of Guru in the Kshethra

of Mana.Mana and the Mayaloka has no limits.Guru is thus happy with

such an environment.Interestingly from another angle Mana can

assimilate with satwika tattwa,with no awareness or identity with

time at all.This may be the ajapa that you are referring to.The world

is not there if there is no thought and the world is as far and as

wide, as one's thoughts can go.

 

I hope i have not corrupted your understanding.Kindly correct me.

 

Happy Maha Sivarathri.

 

Respect and Seeking your blessings

Pradeep

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sree88ganesha "

<sree88ganesha wrote:

>

>

>

> SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

>

> Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

>

> Namaste. i am happy to receive your mail. i am happy to note your

> deep interest in the subject. i am just back from my schedule. i

shall

> be away for a few more days - Siva Ratri is round the corner.

>

> i feel that every pravesha has a definite significance. This does

not

> mean that i am trying to belittle the thithi pravesha theory. We

shall

> go into this later.

>

> i just came across our respected Chandrasekharji's observation in

> connection with exaltation and debilitation of grahas. i have not

gone

> through others observation. i am sorry for that.

>

> Let me take up one by one. You can stop me when you/the group feels

> this is boring.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> May Mother Bless.

>

> Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> p.s.ramanarayanan.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir P.S. RamNarain Ji,

> >

> > Namaskaar, Hope u r fine there and doing well, From the Group

side, We

> > are expecting u to complete ur interesting article on rahu and

> > exaltation in which u indicated Kurma Avtaar's significations for

> > undestanding the exaltation theories.

> >

> > Pls. find some time for our sake, I w'd also request you to throw

some

> > light on significations of Tithi Pravesha charts, a sr. member of

the

> > group has requested for that.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Pradeep,

 

I w'd like to do a correction, Sani can not give Vairagya, It's

always the Moon afflicted by Sani.

 

There has been lots of mess regarding Sani in last 25 yrs, Sani

though can indicate Karma but can never act like spiritual Guru.

 

There are a class of astrologers who started declaring Sani as

benific as Guru, No, we are doing fundamental mistake.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Ramanarayan ji Chandrashekhar ji and other respected members

>

> It is really great to read the views expressed.

> Due to lack of time ,i have been unable to share my understatnding

so

> far, on what you have explained.

>

> As understood from the colour disc resulting in white light,upon

> rotation - your views on the stillness of Nataraja as height of

> velocity is intutive and great.Thank you very much for sharing your

> views.

>

> Similarly i assume height of velocity and supreme concentration are

> two sides of the same coin.Srishti ,Sthithi Samhara may also be

> correlated with the breath aspects that you have explained.

>

> Due to HIS blessing and blessing of Gurus ,the concept explained is

> unfolding in front of humble souls like me - Samhara Moorthi

engaging

> in Tandava,as height of velocity.

>

> Guru as progression of atma and Sani as progression of mana is

> intutive too.

>

> The teaching and experiments that one has to undergo from Sani

> maharaja is definitely a check on mind- the dwindling or

restriction

> of reflective identity - a means for mukthi from the clutches of

TIME.

>

> Similarly Guru the expansive element- the karaka for the expansion

or

> blossoming of aakasha padma - is a progression of atma tattwa as

you

> have kindly explained.

>

> Makara the Karma Mandala and material/practical canvas in the

natural

> horoscope is ruled by Sani.The expansion indicated by Guru is not

> confined to or restricted by the realms of TIME.Thus it is natural

> that Guru has to feel debilitated in this Kshethra.

>

> However the very Sani is also responsible for restriction of

> mana.Sani or manda, moving at a slow pace keeps a record of our

> karmas and rewards us with fruits,at a later stage.Vairagya is

infact

> a check or self enforced restraint on Mana.

>

> It is also intersting to note the exaltation of Guru in the

Kshethra

> of Mana.Mana and the Mayaloka has no limits.Guru is thus happy with

> such an environment.Interestingly from another angle Mana can

> assimilate with satwika tattwa,with no awareness or identity with

> time at all.This may be the ajapa that you are referring to.The

world

> is not there if there is no thought and the world is as far and as

> wide, as one's thoughts can go.

>

> I hope i have not corrupted your understanding.Kindly correct me.

>

> Happy Maha Sivarathri.

>

> Respect and Seeking your blessings

> Pradeep

>

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sree88ganesha "

> <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> >

> > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

> >

> > Namaste. i am happy to receive your mail. i am happy to note your

> > deep interest in the subject. i am just back from my schedule. i

> shall

> > be away for a few more days - Siva Ratri is round the corner.

> >

> > i feel that every pravesha has a definite significance. This

does

> not

> > mean that i am trying to belittle the thithi pravesha theory. We

> shall

> > go into this later.

> >

> > i just came across our respected Chandrasekharji's observation in

> > connection with exaltation and debilitation of grahas. i have not

> gone

> > through others observation. i am sorry for that.

> >

> > Let me take up one by one. You can stop me when you/the group

feels

> > this is boring.

> >

> > Best wishes.

> >

> > May Mother Bless.

> >

> > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir P.S. RamNarain Ji,

> > >

> > > Namaskaar, Hope u r fine there and doing well, From the Group

> side, We

> > > are expecting u to complete ur interesting article on rahu and

> > > exaltation in which u indicated Kurma Avtaar's significations

for

> > > undestanding the exaltation theories.

> > >

> > > Pls. find some time for our sake, I w'd also request you to

throw

> some

> > > light on significations of Tithi Pravesha charts, a sr. member

of

> the

> > > group has requested for that.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit,

 

First things first, no planet by itself gives vairagya. It is their

placement, in certain bhavas in certain conditions, that can give that

effect. So in certain circumstance they can indicate Vairagya. I think

Pradeep is right and Shani does indicate Vairagya, in certain position

and under certain conditions. I am sure you have read enough

astrological texts and must have found that it is Shani who comes in to

have a role when Pravrajya yoga it commented upon and not Guru.

 

One must also remember that there is a lot of difference in Guru the

principle and Guru the planet, though there is a tendency these days to

confuse between the two. We should also not forget that the rasi/amsha

of Shani is also called Ishwaramsha in some ancient texts. Neither

Shani nor Guru is always benefic in all the position to all jatakas.

This is something that needs to be understood.

As to what is spiritual Guru, I think Guru Geeta makes, makes his

nature very clear.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

 

 

litsol wrote:

 

 

Dear Mr. Pradeep,

 

I w'd like to do a correction, Sani can not give Vairagya, It's

always the Moon afflicted by Sani.

 

There has been lots of mess regarding Sani in last 25 yrs, Sani

though can indicate Karma but can never act like spiritual Guru.

 

There are a class of astrologers who started declaring Sani as

benific as Guru, No, we are doing fundamental mistake.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Ramanarayan ji Chandrashekhar ji and other respected members

>

> It is really great to read the views expressed.

> Due to lack of time ,i have been unable to share my understatnding

 

so

> far, on what you have explained.

>

> As understood from the colour disc resulting in white light,upon

> rotation - your views on the stillness of Nataraja as height of

> velocity is intutive and great.Thank you very much for sharing

your

> views.

>

> Similarly i assume height of velocity and supreme concentration

are

> two sides of the same coin.Srishti ,Sthithi Samhara may also be

> correlated with the breath aspects that you have explained.

>

> Due to HIS blessing and blessing of Gurus ,the concept explained

is

> unfolding in front of humble souls like me - Samhara Moorthi

engaging

> in Tandava,as height of velocity.

>

> Guru as progression of atma and Sani as progression of mana is

> intutive too.

>

> The teaching and experiments that one has to undergo from Sani

> maharaja is definitely a check on mind- the dwindling or

restriction

> of reflective identity - a means for mukthi from the clutches of

TIME.

>

> Similarly Guru the expansive element- the karaka for the expansion

 

or

> blossoming of aakasha padma - is a progression of atma tattwa as

you

> have kindly explained.

>

> Makara the Karma Mandala and material/practical canvas in the

natural

> horoscope is ruled by Sani.The expansion indicated by Guru is not

> confined to or restricted by the realms of TIME.Thus it is natural

 

> that Guru has to feel debilitated in this Kshethra.

>

> However the very Sani is also responsible for restriction of

> mana.Sani or manda, moving at a slow pace keeps a record of our

> karmas and rewards us with fruits,at a later stage.Vairagya is

infact

> a check or self enforced restraint on Mana.

>

> It is also intersting to note the exaltation of Guru in the

Kshethra

> of Mana.Mana and the Mayaloka has no limits.Guru is thus happy

with

> such an environment.Interestingly from another angle Mana can

 

> assimilate with satwika tattwa,with no awareness or identity with

> time at all.This may be the ajapa that you are referring to.The

world

> is not there if there is no thought and the world is as far and as

 

> wide, as one's thoughts can go.

>

> I hope i have not corrupted your understanding.Kindly correct

me.

>

> Happy Maha Sivarathri.

>

> Respect and Seeking your blessings

> Pradeep

>

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"sree88ganesha"

> <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> >

> > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

> >

> > Namaste. i am happy to receive your mail. i am happy to note

your

> > deep interest in the subject. i am just back from my

schedule. i

> shall

> > be away for a few more days - Siva Ratri is round the corner.

> >

> > i feel that every pravesha has a definite significance. This

does

> not

> > mean that i am trying to belittle the thithi pravesha theory.

We

> shall

> > go into this later.

> >

> > i just came across our respected Chandrasekharji's

observation in

> > connection with exaltation and debilitation of grahas. i have

not

> gone

> > through others observation. i am sorry for that.

> >

> > Let me take up one by one. You can stop me when you/the group

 

feels

> > this is boring.

> >

> > Best wishes.

> >

> > May Mother Bless.

> >

> > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"litsol"

> > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir P.S. RamNarain Ji,

> > >

> > > Namaskaar, Hope u r fine there and doing well, From the

Group

> side, We

> > > are expecting u to complete ur interesting article on

rahu and

> > > exaltation in which u indicated Kurma Avtaar's

significations

for

> > > undestanding the exaltation theories.

> > >

> > > Pls. find some time for our sake, I w'd also request you

to

throw

> some

> > > light on significations of Tithi Pravesha charts, a sr.

member

of

> the

> > > group has requested for that.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Lalit

 

Thank you for sharing your views.

Ofcourse as you have said,the effect has to finally fall on

mind/perceptional medium for 'us' to realize.

 

Pravarjya Yogas extensively talk about Saturn and Mars apart from

multiple planetary combinations.

 

As you are aware of, Sani is the Karaka for old age and diseases.

(Restrictive effect of Time on kshara tattwa as compared to akshara).

 

The time elapsation and cycle of material entry/exit points,results

from attachment.As Shani is Ravi Putra,it is pointing to

continuation/result of our own karma.When Ravi is able to realize

this in full,time has no more role to play.Thus Sani is having a role

in developing Viaragya,by reminding ''us'' about our own acts/past.

 

Jivatmas poorva punya is expansion in the immortal direction.This is

the blessing of Guru.When we are prepared to learn we will be

showered with more knowledge.This is the expansive influence of Guru

resulting in Jnana Sampath.If we want to remain in reflective

identity,Sani will teach us about the restrictive/mortal nature.Thus

it is a cycle.

 

Going by ''Sanivad Rahu'' - Rahu is the invisible time principle

resulting out of intersection of atma and mana along the above said

cycle.

 

All grahas are important and no one is bad is my understanding.Except

Sun/Moon all others except chaya grahas are capable of producing

Mahapurusha Yogas.

 

Your views are respected too.

 

Kind Regds

Pradeep

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

<mishra.lalit wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Pradeep,

>

> I w'd like to do a correction, Sani can not give Vairagya, It's

> always the Moon afflicted by Sani.

>

> There has been lots of mess regarding Sani in last 25 yrs, Sani

> though can indicate Karma but can never act like spiritual Guru.

>

> There are a class of astrologers who started declaring Sani as

> benific as Guru, No, we are doing fundamental mistake.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

>

> --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ramanarayan ji Chandrashekhar ji and other respected members

> >

> > It is really great to read the views expressed.

> > Due to lack of time ,i have been unable to share my

understatnding

> so

> > far, on what you have explained.

> >

> > As understood from the colour disc resulting in white light,upon

> > rotation - your views on the stillness of Nataraja as height of

> > velocity is intutive and great.Thank you very much for sharing

your

> > views.

> >

> > Similarly i assume height of velocity and supreme concentration

are

> > two sides of the same coin.Srishti ,Sthithi Samhara may also be

> > correlated with the breath aspects that you have explained.

> >

> > Due to HIS blessing and blessing of Gurus ,the concept explained

is

> > unfolding in front of humble souls like me - Samhara Moorthi

> engaging

> > in Tandava,as height of velocity.

> >

> > Guru as progression of atma and Sani as progression of mana is

> > intutive too.

> >

> > The teaching and experiments that one has to undergo from Sani

> > maharaja is definitely a check on mind- the dwindling or

> restriction

> > of reflective identity - a means for mukthi from the clutches of

> TIME.

> >

> > Similarly Guru the expansive element- the karaka for the

expansion

> or

> > blossoming of aakasha padma - is a progression of atma tattwa as

> you

> > have kindly explained.

> >

> > Makara the Karma Mandala and material/practical canvas in the

> natural

> > horoscope is ruled by Sani.The expansion indicated by Guru is not

> > confined to or restricted by the realms of TIME.Thus it is

natural

> > that Guru has to feel debilitated in this Kshethra.

> >

> > However the very Sani is also responsible for restriction of

> > mana.Sani or manda, moving at a slow pace keeps a record of our

> > karmas and rewards us with fruits,at a later stage.Vairagya is

> infact

> > a check or self enforced restraint on Mana.

> >

> > It is also intersting to note the exaltation of Guru in the

> Kshethra

> > of Mana.Mana and the Mayaloka has no limits.Guru is thus happy

with

> > such an environment.Interestingly from another angle Mana can

> > assimilate with satwika tattwa,with no awareness or identity with

> > time at all.This may be the ajapa that you are referring to.The

> world

> > is not there if there is no thought and the world is as far and

as

> > wide, as one's thoughts can go.

> >

> > I hope i have not corrupted your understanding.Kindly correct me.

> >

> > Happy Maha Sivarathri.

> >

> > Respect and Seeking your blessings

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sree88ganesha "

> > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

> > >

> > > Namaste. i am happy to receive your mail. i am happy to note

your

> > > deep interest in the subject. i am just back from my schedule.

i

> > shall

> > > be away for a few more days - Siva Ratri is round the corner.

> > >

> > > i feel that every pravesha has a definite significance. This

> does

> > not

> > > mean that i am trying to belittle the thithi pravesha theory.

We

> > shall

> > > go into this later.

> > >

> > > i just came across our respected Chandrasekharji's observation

in

> > > connection with exaltation and debilitation of grahas. i have

not

> > gone

> > > through others observation. i am sorry for that.

> > >

> > > Let me take up one by one. You can stop me when you/the group

> feels

> > > this is boring.

> > >

> > > Best wishes.

> > >

> > > May Mother Bless.

> > >

> > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir P.S. RamNarain Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Namaskaar, Hope u r fine there and doing well, From the Group

> > side, We

> > > > are expecting u to complete ur interesting article on rahu

and

> > > > exaltation in which u indicated Kurma Avtaar's significations

> for

> > > > undestanding the exaltation theories.

> > > >

> > > > Pls. find some time for our sake, I w'd also request you to

> throw

> > some

> > > > light on significations of Tithi Pravesha charts, a sr.

member

> of

> > the

> > > > group has requested for that.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandrashekhar ji

 

Thank you for confirming and clarifying my understanding.

Sani and Mars are mentioned extensively for Pravarjya Yogas.You have

always been helping us in striking a balance between underlying

philosophy and nature of planets,for example Guru in this case.

 

Respect

Pradeep

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> First things first, no planet by itself gives vairagya. It is their

> placement, in certain bhavas in certain conditions, that can give

that

> effect. So in certain circumstance they can indicate Vairagya. I

think

> Pradeep is right and Shani does indicate Vairagya, in certain

position

> and under certain conditions. I am sure you have read enough

> astrological texts and must have found that it is Shani who comes

in to

> have a role when Pravrajya yoga it commented upon and not Guru.

>

> One must also remember that there is a lot of difference in Guru

the

> principle and Guru the planet, though there is a tendency these

days to

> confuse between the two. We should also not forget that the

rasi/amsha

> of Shani is also called Ishwaramsha in some ancient texts. Neither

Shani

> nor Guru is always benefic in all the position to all jatakas. This

is

> something that needs to be understood.

> As to what is spiritual Guru, I think Guru Geeta makes, makes his

nature

> very clear.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

>

>

> litsol wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Pradeep,

> >

> > I w'd like to do a correction, Sani can not give Vairagya, It's

> > always the Moon afflicted by Sani.

> >

> > There has been lots of mess regarding Sani in last 25 yrs, Sani

> > though can indicate Karma but can never act like spiritual Guru.

> >

> > There are a class of astrologers who started declaring Sani as

> > benific as Guru, No, we are doing fundamental mistake.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%

40>, " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ramanarayan ji Chandrashekhar ji and other respected

members

> > >

> > > It is really great to read the views expressed.

> > > Due to lack of time ,i have been unable to share my

understatnding

> > so

> > > far, on what you have explained.

> > >

> > > As understood from the colour disc resulting in white light,upon

> > > rotation - your views on the stillness of Nataraja as height of

> > > velocity is intutive and great.Thank you very much for sharing

your

> > > views.

> > >

> > > Similarly i assume height of velocity and supreme concentration

are

> > > two sides of the same coin.Srishti ,Sthithi Samhara may also be

> > > correlated with the breath aspects that you have explained.

> > >

> > > Due to HIS blessing and blessing of Gurus ,the concept

explained is

> > > unfolding in front of humble souls like me - Samhara Moorthi

> > engaging

> > > in Tandava,as height of velocity.

> > >

> > > Guru as progression of atma and Sani as progression of mana is

> > > intutive too.

> > >

> > > The teaching and experiments that one has to undergo from Sani

> > > maharaja is definitely a check on mind- the dwindling or

> > restriction

> > > of reflective identity - a means for mukthi from the clutches of

> > TIME.

> > >

> > > Similarly Guru the expansive element- the karaka for the

expansion

> > or

> > > blossoming of aakasha padma - is a progression of atma tattwa as

> > you

> > > have kindly explained.

> > >

> > > Makara the Karma Mandala and material/practical canvas in the

> > natural

> > > horoscope is ruled by Sani.The expansion indicated by Guru is

not

> > > confined to or restricted by the realms of TIME.Thus it is

natural

> > > that Guru has to feel debilitated in this Kshethra.

> > >

> > > However the very Sani is also responsible for restriction of

> > > mana.Sani or manda, moving at a slow pace keeps a record of our

> > > karmas and rewards us with fruits,at a later stage.Vairagya is

> > infact

> > > a check or self enforced restraint on Mana.

> > >

> > > It is also intersting to note the exaltation of Guru in the

> > Kshethra

> > > of Mana.Mana and the Mayaloka has no limits.Guru is thus happy

with

> > > such an environment.Interestingly from another angle Mana can

> > > assimilate with satwika tattwa,with no awareness or identity

with

> > > time at all.This may be the ajapa that you are referring to.The

> > world

> > > is not there if there is no thought and the world is as far and

as

> > > wide, as one's thoughts can go.

> > >

> > > I hope i have not corrupted your understanding.Kindly correct

me.

> > >

> > > Happy Maha Sivarathri.

> > >

> > > Respect and Seeking your blessings

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%

40>, " sree88ganesha "

> > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive your mail. i am happy to note

your

> > > > deep interest in the subject. i am just back from my

schedule. i

> > > shall

> > > > be away for a few more days - Siva Ratri is round the corner.

> > > >

> > > > i feel that every pravesha has a definite significance. This

> > does

> > > not

> > > > mean that i am trying to belittle the thithi pravesha theory.

We

> > > shall

> > > > go into this later.

> > > >

> > > > i just came across our respected Chandrasekharji's

observation in

> > > > connection with exaltation and debilitation of grahas. i have

not

> > > gone

> > > > through others observation. i am sorry for that.

> > > >

> > > > Let me take up one by one. You can stop me when you/the group

> > feels

> > > > this is boring.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes.

> > > >

> > > > May Mother Bless.

> > > >

> > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, " litsol "

> > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir P.S. RamNarain Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskaar, Hope u r fine there and doing well, From the

Group

> > > side, We

> > > > > are expecting u to complete ur interesting article on rahu

and

> > > > > exaltation in which u indicated Kurma Avtaar's

significations

> > for

> > > > > undestanding the exaltation theories.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls. find some time for our sake, I w'd also request you to

> > throw

> > > some

> > > > > light on significations of Tithi Pravesha charts, a sr.

member

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > group has requested for that.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep & Lalit,

 

For me, Sani is the karaka for vairagya. Take the example of

Pravrajya yoga, the very essence of pravrajya is leaving one's house

and relatives. In the pravrajya yogas, if shani is the karaka the

reason will be atma vairagya, for Surya, its caused by father and

like wise. For me, atma vairagya is the highest sort. If Shani

results in Pravrajya yoga, then one will be a parama jnaani, with

interest in Upanishads and paramaatman and the means also, see

vairagya will be the highest sort, with minimum or no dress, high

austerity, and food will be minimum to keep the life active, and

there will be no difference in religion for him or just to put no

difference in literally anything. If you compare the sect of sanyasis

that result from each planet, you will get an idea of what Shani

stands for!

 

Guru ofcourse is the karaka for jnaana but we should not interchange

jnaana with knowledge. Mercury stands for learning/knowledge and

intelligence. Unless other factors are not supportive, what `jnaana'

is this by Guru, with which one can not control mind and ego and

final fall becomes inevitable ? Here is where Chandrashekhar ji's

point of `Guru the principle and Guru the planet' , which others keep

a close eye as their agenda is just opposite.

Best regards,

Saaji Bhaskaran

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Lalit

>

> Thank you for sharing your views.

> Ofcourse as you have said,the effect has to finally fall on

> mind/perceptional medium for 'us' to realize.

>

> Pravarjya Yogas extensively talk about Saturn and Mars apart from

> multiple planetary combinations.

>

> As you are aware of, Sani is the Karaka for old age and diseases.

> (Restrictive effect of Time on kshara tattwa as compared to

akshara).

>

> The time elapsation and cycle of material entry/exit points,results

> from attachment.As Shani is Ravi Putra,it is pointing to

> continuation/result of our own karma.When Ravi is able to realize

> this in full,time has no more role to play.Thus Sani is having a

role

> in developing Viaragya,by reminding ''us'' about our own acts/past.

>

> Jivatmas poorva punya is expansion in the immortal direction.This

is

> the blessing of Guru.When we are prepared to learn we will be

> showered with more knowledge.This is the expansive influence of

Guru

> resulting in Jnana Sampath.If we want to remain in reflective

> identity,Sani will teach us about the restrictive/mortal

nature.Thus

> it is a cycle.

>

> Going by ''Sanivad Rahu'' - Rahu is the invisible time principle

> resulting out of intersection of atma and mana along the above said

> cycle.

>

> All grahas are important and no one is bad is my

understanding.Except

> Sun/Moon all others except chaya grahas are capable of producing

> Mahapurusha Yogas.

>

> Your views are respected too.

>

> Kind Regds

> Pradeep

>

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Pradeep,

> >

> > I w'd like to do a correction, Sani can not give Vairagya, It's

> > always the Moon afflicted by Sani.

> >

> > There has been lots of mess regarding Sani in last 25 yrs, Sani

> > though can indicate Karma but can never act like spiritual Guru.

> >

> > There are a class of astrologers who started declaring Sani as

> > benific as Guru, No, we are doing fundamental mistake.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> >

> > --- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ramanarayan ji Chandrashekhar ji and other respected

members

> > >

> > > It is really great to read the views expressed.

> > > Due to lack of time ,i have been unable to share my

> understatnding

> > so

> > > far, on what you have explained.

> > >

> > > As understood from the colour disc resulting in white

light,upon

> > > rotation - your views on the stillness of Nataraja as height of

> > > velocity is intutive and great.Thank you very much for sharing

> your

> > > views.

> > >

> > > Similarly i assume height of velocity and supreme concentration

> are

> > > two sides of the same coin.Srishti ,Sthithi Samhara may also be

> > > correlated with the breath aspects that you have explained.

> > >

> > > Due to HIS blessing and blessing of Gurus ,the concept

explained

> is

> > > unfolding in front of humble souls like me - Samhara Moorthi

> > engaging

> > > in Tandava,as height of velocity.

> > >

> > > Guru as progression of atma and Sani as progression of mana is

> > > intutive too.

> > >

> > > The teaching and experiments that one has to undergo from Sani

> > > maharaja is definitely a check on mind- the dwindling or

> > restriction

> > > of reflective identity - a means for mukthi from the clutches

of

> > TIME.

> > >

> > > Similarly Guru the expansive element- the karaka for the

> expansion

> > or

> > > blossoming of aakasha padma - is a progression of atma tattwa

as

> > you

> > > have kindly explained.

> > >

> > > Makara the Karma Mandala and material/practical canvas in the

> > natural

> > > horoscope is ruled by Sani.The expansion indicated by Guru is

not

> > > confined to or restricted by the realms of TIME.Thus it is

> natural

> > > that Guru has to feel debilitated in this Kshethra.

> > >

> > > However the very Sani is also responsible for restriction of

> > > mana.Sani or manda, moving at a slow pace keeps a record of our

> > > karmas and rewards us with fruits,at a later stage.Vairagya is

> > infact

> > > a check or self enforced restraint on Mana.

> > >

> > > It is also intersting to note the exaltation of Guru in the

> > Kshethra

> > > of Mana.Mana and the Mayaloka has no limits.Guru is thus happy

> with

> > > such an environment.Interestingly from another angle Mana can

> > > assimilate with satwika tattwa,with no awareness or identity

with

> > > time at all.This may be the ajapa that you are referring to.The

> > world

> > > is not there if there is no thought and the world is as far and

> as

> > > wide, as one's thoughts can go.

> > >

> > > I hope i have not corrupted your understanding.Kindly correct

me.

> > >

> > > Happy Maha Sivarathri.

> > >

> > > Respect and Seeking your blessings

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sree88ganesha "

> > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive your mail. i am happy to note

> your

> > > > deep interest in the subject. i am just back from my

schedule.

> i

> > > shall

> > > > be away for a few more days - Siva Ratri is round the corner.

> > > >

> > > > i feel that every pravesha has a definite significance. This

> > does

> > > not

> > > > mean that i am trying to belittle the thithi pravesha theory.

> We

> > > shall

> > > > go into this later.

> > > >

> > > > i just came across our respected Chandrasekharji's

observation

> in

> > > > connection with exaltation and debilitation of grahas. i have

> not

> > > gone

> > > > through others observation. i am sorry for that.

> > > >

> > > > Let me take up one by one. You can stop me when you/the group

> > feels

> > > > this is boring.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes.

> > > >

> > > > May Mother Bless.

> > > >

> > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir P.S. RamNarain Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskaar, Hope u r fine there and doing well, From the

Group

> > > side, We

> > > > > are expecting u to complete ur interesting article on rahu

> and

> > > > > exaltation in which u indicated Kurma Avtaar's

significations

> > for

> > > > > undestanding the exaltation theories.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls. find some time for our sake, I w'd also request you to

> > throw

> > > some

> > > > > light on significations of Tithi Pravesha charts, a sr.

> member

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > group has requested for that.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Saji,

 

Sani is a planet for contraction, it gives u urge to reduce to 5

bhutas or 5 elements, hitherto it's right, I also agree to you in

what u say -

 

" with minimum or no dress, high austerity, and food will be minimum

to keep the life active, and there will be no difference in religion

for him or just to put no difference in literally anything "

 

But let's move further from this point to understand the vairagya and

sani's play. the reduction gives u strong attachment, attachment to

the state u have reached to, they are firmly bounded to austerity,

attached to loose the luxury ... they are wrong, completely wrong,

caught up in one state of mind, I have met dozens of such vairagis

and tried to open up their mind, it was very difficult coz saturn

grips them stronger then the Favicol.

 

vairagya is when u have no attachment to any thing whether it's

glamour or whether it's sanyas or austerity.pls. understand the

vairagya defined by Guru Gorakhnath, he said vairagya is a state when

one's mind is not attached to any thing, he says -

 

" Aaage ho tiriya hazaar aur raaj samman, pichhe ho dhnui alakh

niranjan ...... " , One has to remain unattached (Vairagya in both but

not involved even in Vairagya), it needs wisdom, such a wisdom is

unknown to Sani, So Sani's aspect on Moon plus an active/powerful

Guru is required in one's chart to make him true vairagi or sanyasi.

 

I dont know why people are getting confused, there is a clear

distinction between Guru and Sani, let's not blurr the distinction.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji Bhaskaran "

<saajik wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep & Lalit,

>

> For me, Sani is the karaka for vairagya. Take the example of

> Pravrajya yoga, the very essence of pravrajya is leaving one's

house

> and relatives. In the pravrajya yogas, if shani is the karaka the

> reason will be atma vairagya, for Surya, its caused by father and

> like wise. For me, atma vairagya is the highest sort. If Shani

> results in Pravrajya yoga, then one will be a parama jnaani, with

> interest in Upanishads and paramaatman and the means also, see

> vairagya will be the highest sort, with minimum or no dress, high

> austerity, and food will be minimum to keep the life active, and

> there will be no difference in religion for him or just to put no

> difference in literally anything. If you compare the sect of

sanyasis

> that result from each planet, you will get an idea of what Shani

> stands for!

>

> Guru ofcourse is the karaka for jnaana but we should not

interchange

> jnaana with knowledge. Mercury stands for learning/knowledge and

> intelligence. Unless other factors are not supportive, what

`jnaana'

> is this by Guru, with which one can not control mind and ego and

> final fall becomes inevitable ? Here is where Chandrashekhar ji's

> point of `Guru the principle and Guru the planet' , which others

keep

> a close eye as their agenda is just opposite.

> Best regards,

> Saaji Bhaskaran

>

>

>

> --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Lalit

> >

> > Thank you for sharing your views.

> > Ofcourse as you have said,the effect has to finally fall on

> > mind/perceptional medium for 'us' to realize.

> >

> > Pravarjya Yogas extensively talk about Saturn and Mars apart from

> > multiple planetary combinations.

> >

> > As you are aware of, Sani is the Karaka for old age and diseases.

> > (Restrictive effect of Time on kshara tattwa as compared to

> akshara).

> >

> > The time elapsation and cycle of material entry/exit

points,results

> > from attachment.As Shani is Ravi Putra,it is pointing to

> > continuation/result of our own karma.When Ravi is able to realize

> > this in full,time has no more role to play.Thus Sani is having a

> role

> > in developing Viaragya,by reminding ''us'' about our own

acts/past.

> >

> > Jivatmas poorva punya is expansion in the immortal direction.This

> is

> > the blessing of Guru.When we are prepared to learn we will be

> > showered with more knowledge.This is the expansive influence of

> Guru

> > resulting in Jnana Sampath.If we want to remain in reflective

> > identity,Sani will teach us about the restrictive/mortal

> nature.Thus

> > it is a cycle.

> >

> > Going by ''Sanivad Rahu'' - Rahu is the invisible time principle

> > resulting out of intersection of atma and mana along the above

said

> > cycle.

> >

> > All grahas are important and no one is bad is my

> understanding.Except

> > Sun/Moon all others except chaya grahas are capable of producing

> > Mahapurusha Yogas.

> >

> > Your views are respected too.

> >

> > Kind Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Pradeep,

> > >

> > > I w'd like to do a correction, Sani can not give Vairagya, It's

> > > always the Moon afflicted by Sani.

> > >

> > > There has been lots of mess regarding Sani in last 25 yrs, Sani

> > > though can indicate Karma but can never act like spiritual Guru.

> > >

> > > There are a class of astrologers who started declaring Sani as

> > > benific as Guru, No, we are doing fundamental mistake.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ramanarayan ji Chandrashekhar ji and other respected

> members

> > > >

> > > > It is really great to read the views expressed.

> > > > Due to lack of time ,i have been unable to share my

> > understatnding

> > > so

> > > > far, on what you have explained.

> > > >

> > > > As understood from the colour disc resulting in white

> light,upon

> > > > rotation - your views on the stillness of Nataraja as height

of

> > > > velocity is intutive and great.Thank you very much for

sharing

> > your

> > > > views.

> > > >

> > > > Similarly i assume height of velocity and supreme

concentration

> > are

> > > > two sides of the same coin.Srishti ,Sthithi Samhara may also

be

> > > > correlated with the breath aspects that you have explained.

> > > >

> > > > Due to HIS blessing and blessing of Gurus ,the concept

> explained

> > is

> > > > unfolding in front of humble souls like me - Samhara Moorthi

> > > engaging

> > > > in Tandava,as height of velocity.

> > > >

> > > > Guru as progression of atma and Sani as progression of mana

is

> > > > intutive too.

> > > >

> > > > The teaching and experiments that one has to undergo from

Sani

> > > > maharaja is definitely a check on mind- the dwindling or

> > > restriction

> > > > of reflective identity - a means for mukthi from the clutches

> of

> > > TIME.

> > > >

> > > > Similarly Guru the expansive element- the karaka for the

> > expansion

> > > or

> > > > blossoming of aakasha padma - is a progression of atma tattwa

> as

> > > you

> > > > have kindly explained.

> > > >

> > > > Makara the Karma Mandala and material/practical canvas in the

> > > natural

> > > > horoscope is ruled by Sani.The expansion indicated by Guru is

> not

> > > > confined to or restricted by the realms of TIME.Thus it is

> > natural

> > > > that Guru has to feel debilitated in this Kshethra.

> > > >

> > > > However the very Sani is also responsible for restriction of

> > > > mana.Sani or manda, moving at a slow pace keeps a record of

our

> > > > karmas and rewards us with fruits,at a later stage.Vairagya

is

> > > infact

> > > > a check or self enforced restraint on Mana.

> > > >

> > > > It is also intersting to note the exaltation of Guru in the

> > > Kshethra

> > > > of Mana.Mana and the Mayaloka has no limits.Guru is thus

happy

> > with

> > > > such an environment.Interestingly from another angle Mana can

> > > > assimilate with satwika tattwa,with no awareness or identity

> with

> > > > time at all.This may be the ajapa that you are referring

to.The

> > > world

> > > > is not there if there is no thought and the world is as far

and

> > as

> > > > wide, as one's thoughts can go.

> > > >

> > > > I hope i have not corrupted your understanding.Kindly correct

> me.

> > > >

> > > > Happy Maha Sivarathri.

> > > >

> > > > Respect and Seeking your blessings

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sree88ganesha "

> > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive your mail. i am happy to

note

> > your

> > > > > deep interest in the subject. i am just back from my

> schedule.

> > i

> > > > shall

> > > > > be away for a few more days - Siva Ratri is round the

corner.

> > > > >

> > > > > i feel that every pravesha has a definite significance.

This

> > > does

> > > > not

> > > > > mean that i am trying to belittle the thithi pravesha

theory.

> > We

> > > > shall

> > > > > go into this later.

> > > > >

> > > > > i just came across our respected Chandrasekharji's

> observation

> > in

> > > > > connection with exaltation and debilitation of grahas. i

have

> > not

> > > > gone

> > > > > through others observation. i am sorry for that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let me take up one by one. You can stop me when you/the

group

> > > feels

> > > > > this is boring.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes.

> > > > >

> > > > > May Mother Bless.

> > > > >

> > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir P.S. RamNarain Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaskaar, Hope u r fine there and doing well, From the

> Group

> > > > side, We

> > > > > > are expecting u to complete ur interesting article on

rahu

> > and

> > > > > > exaltation in which u indicated Kurma Avtaar's

> significations

> > > for

> > > > > > undestanding the exaltation theories.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls. find some time for our sake, I w'd also request you

to

> > > throw

> > > > some

> > > > > > light on significations of Tithi Pravesha charts, a sr.

> > member

> > > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > group has requested for that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

No Saji,

 

Strong guru is available in 5'th house of Bhagwan Sri Ramkrishna

Paramhansha's chart, and if i m not wrong, it's also available either

in Maata Aaanadmai or Yogananda's chart...

 

Sani attaches one's mind to austerity, only to austerity before he

meets the omnipresent all pervading God.

 

they stick to what they have opted for .. this is not the sanyaas,

they are in transformation stage and not the transformed, Sani stops

u this point only, where Sani ends, Guru begins.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji Bhaskaran "

<saajik wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> " the reduction gives u strong attachment, attachment to

> > the state u have reached to, "

>

> This is the point I wanted to convey with the state of pravrajya

> Shani gives.The strong attachment only to the state one reached

> nothing else but God, the imperishable brahman. No interest

anything

> else but brahman. brahman and brahman alone.

>

> " Sani's aspect on Moon plus an active/powerful

> > Guru is required in one's chart to make him true vairagi or

> sanyasi. " . I wont say " Required " , I will say " It can " . I can

> recollect a horo just once seen, and I know your horo.

>

> I dont agree with what you want to convey. But its fine. Let's

agree

> to disagree.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Saaji Bhasakran

>

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Saji,

> >

> > Sani is a planet for contraction, it gives u urge to reduce to 5

> > bhutas or 5 elements, hitherto it's right, I also agree to you in

> > what u say -

> >

> > " with minimum or no dress, high austerity, and food will be

minimum

> > to keep the life active, and there will be no difference in

> religion

> > for him or just to put no difference in literally anything "

> >

> > But let's move further from this point to understand the vairagya

> and

> > sani's play. the reduction gives u strong attachment, attachment

to

> > the state u have reached to, they are firmly bounded to

austerity,

> > attached to loose the luxury ... they are wrong, completely

wrong,

> > caught up in one state of mind, I have met dozens of such

vairagis

> > and tried to open up their mind, it was very difficult coz saturn

> > grips them stronger then the Favicol.

> >

> > vairagya is when u have no attachment to any thing whether it's

> > glamour or whether it's sanyas or austerity.pls. understand the

> > vairagya defined by Guru Gorakhnath, he said vairagya is a state

> when

> > one's mind is not attached to any thing, he says -

> >

> > " Aaage ho tiriya hazaar aur raaj samman, pichhe ho dhnui alakh

> > niranjan ...... " , One has to remain unattached (Vairagya in both

> but

> > not involved even in Vairagya), it needs wisdom, such a wisdom is

> > unknown to Sani, So Sani's aspect on Moon plus an

active/powerful

> > Guru is required in one's chart to make him true vairagi or

sanyasi.

> >

> > I dont know why people are getting confused, there is a clear

> > distinction between Guru and Sani, let's not blurr the

distinction.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> >

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

Bhaskaran "

> > <saajik@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep & Lalit,

> > >

> > > For me, Sani is the karaka for vairagya. Take the example of

> > > Pravrajya yoga, the very essence of pravrajya is leaving one's

> > house

> > > and relatives. In the pravrajya yogas, if shani is the karaka

the

> > > reason will be atma vairagya, for Surya, its caused by father

and

> > > like wise. For me, atma vairagya is the highest sort. If Shani

> > > results in Pravrajya yoga, then one will be a parama jnaani,

with

> > > interest in Upanishads and paramaatman and the means also, see

> > > vairagya will be the highest sort, with minimum or no dress,

high

> > > austerity, and food will be minimum to keep the life active,

and

> > > there will be no difference in religion for him or just to put

no

> > > difference in literally anything. If you compare the sect of

> > sanyasis

> > > that result from each planet, you will get an idea of what

Shani

> > > stands for!

> > >

> > > Guru ofcourse is the karaka for jnaana but we should not

> > interchange

> > > jnaana with knowledge. Mercury stands for learning/knowledge

and

> > > intelligence. Unless other factors are not supportive, what

> > `jnaana'

> > > is this by Guru, with which one can not control mind and ego

and

> > > final fall becomes inevitable ? Here is where Chandrashekhar

ji's

> > > point of `Guru the principle and Guru the planet' , which

others

> > keep

> > > a close eye as their agenda is just opposite.

> > > Best regards,

> > > Saaji Bhaskaran

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Lalit

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for sharing your views.

> > > > Ofcourse as you have said,the effect has to finally fall on

> > > > mind/perceptional medium for 'us' to realize.

> > > >

> > > > Pravarjya Yogas extensively talk about Saturn and Mars apart

> from

> > > > multiple planetary combinations.

> > > >

> > > > As you are aware of, Sani is the Karaka for old age and

> diseases.

> > > > (Restrictive effect of Time on kshara tattwa as compared to

> > > akshara).

> > > >

> > > > The time elapsation and cycle of material entry/exit

> > points,results

> > > > from attachment.As Shani is Ravi Putra,it is pointing to

> > > > continuation/result of our own karma.When Ravi is able to

> realize

> > > > this in full,time has no more role to play.Thus Sani is

having

> a

> > > role

> > > > in developing Viaragya,by reminding ''us'' about our own

> > acts/past.

> > > >

> > > > Jivatmas poorva punya is expansion in the immortal

> direction.This

> > > is

> > > > the blessing of Guru.When we are prepared to learn we will be

> > > > showered with more knowledge.This is the expansive influence

of

> > > Guru

> > > > resulting in Jnana Sampath.If we want to remain in reflective

> > > > identity,Sani will teach us about the restrictive/mortal

> > > nature.Thus

> > > > it is a cycle.

> > > >

> > > > Going by ''Sanivad Rahu'' - Rahu is the invisible time

> principle

> > > > resulting out of intersection of atma and mana along the

above

> > said

> > > > cycle.

> > > >

> > > > All grahas are important and no one is bad is my

> > > understanding.Except

> > > > Sun/Moon all others except chaya grahas are capable of

> producing

> > > > Mahapurusha Yogas.

> > > >

> > > > Your views are respected too.

> > > >

> > > > Kind Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > I w'd like to do a correction, Sani can not give Vairagya,

> It's

> > > > > always the Moon afflicted by Sani.

> > > > >

> > > > > There has been lots of mess regarding Sani in last 25 yrs,

> Sani

> > > > > though can indicate Karma but can never act like spiritual

> Guru.

> > > > >

> > > > > There are a class of astrologers who started declaring Sani

> as

> > > > > benific as Guru, No, we are doing fundamental mistake.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ramanarayan ji Chandrashekhar ji and other respected

> > > members

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is really great to read the views expressed.

> > > > > > Due to lack of time ,i have been unable to share my

> > > > understatnding

> > > > > so

> > > > > > far, on what you have explained.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As understood from the colour disc resulting in white

> > > light,upon

> > > > > > rotation - your views on the stillness of Nataraja as

> height

> > of

> > > > > > velocity is intutive and great.Thank you very much for

> > sharing

> > > > your

> > > > > > views.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Similarly i assume height of velocity and supreme

> > concentration

> > > > are

> > > > > > two sides of the same coin.Srishti ,Sthithi Samhara may

> also

> > be

> > > > > > correlated with the breath aspects that you have

explained.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Due to HIS blessing and blessing of Gurus ,the concept

> > > explained

> > > > is

> > > > > > unfolding in front of humble souls like me - Samhara

> Moorthi

> > > > > engaging

> > > > > > in Tandava,as height of velocity.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Guru as progression of atma and Sani as progression of

mana

> > is

> > > > > > intutive too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The teaching and experiments that one has to undergo from

> > Sani

> > > > > > maharaja is definitely a check on mind- the dwindling or

> > > > > restriction

> > > > > > of reflective identity - a means for mukthi from the

> clutches

> > > of

> > > > > TIME.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Similarly Guru the expansive element- the karaka for the

> > > > expansion

> > > > > or

> > > > > > blossoming of aakasha padma - is a progression of atma

> tattwa

> > > as

> > > > > you

> > > > > > have kindly explained.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Makara the Karma Mandala and material/practical canvas in

> the

> > > > > natural

> > > > > > horoscope is ruled by Sani.The expansion indicated by

Guru

> is

> > > not

> > > > > > confined to or restricted by the realms of TIME.Thus it

is

> > > > natural

> > > > > > that Guru has to feel debilitated in this Kshethra.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However the very Sani is also responsible for restriction

> of

> > > > > > mana.Sani or manda, moving at a slow pace keeps a record

of

> > our

> > > > > > karmas and rewards us with fruits,at a later

stage.Vairagya

> > is

> > > > > infact

> > > > > > a check or self enforced restraint on Mana.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is also intersting to note the exaltation of Guru in

the

> > > > > Kshethra

> > > > > > of Mana.Mana and the Mayaloka has no limits.Guru is thus

> > happy

> > > > with

> > > > > > such an environment.Interestingly from another angle Mana

> can

> > > > > > assimilate with satwika tattwa,with no awareness or

> identity

> > > with

> > > > > > time at all.This may be the ajapa that you are referring

> > to.The

> > > > > world

> > > > > > is not there if there is no thought and the world is as

far

> > and

> > > > as

> > > > > > wide, as one's thoughts can go.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope i have not corrupted your understanding.Kindly

> correct

> > > me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Happy Maha Sivarathri.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respect and Seeking your blessings

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sree88ganesha "

> > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive your mail. i am happy

to

> > note

> > > > your

> > > > > > > deep interest in the subject. i am just back from my

> > > schedule.

> > > > i

> > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > be away for a few more days - Siva Ratri is round the

> > corner.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i feel that every pravesha has a definite

significance.

> > This

> > > > > does

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > mean that i am trying to belittle the thithi pravesha

> > theory.

> > > > We

> > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > go into this later.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i just came across our respected Chandrasekharji's

> > > observation

> > > > in

> > > > > > > connection with exaltation and debilitation of grahas.

i

> > have

> > > > not

> > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > through others observation. i am sorry for that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let me take up one by one. You can stop me when you/the

> > group

> > > > > feels

> > > > > > > this is boring.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > May Mother Bless.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir P.S. RamNarain Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaskaar, Hope u r fine there and doing well, From

the

> > > Group

> > > > > > side, We

> > > > > > > > are expecting u to complete ur interesting article on

> > rahu

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > exaltation in which u indicated Kurma Avtaar's

> > > significations

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > undestanding the exaltation theories.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls. find some time for our sake, I w'd also request

> you

> > to

> > > > > throw

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > light on significations of Tithi Pravesha charts, a

sr.

> > > > member

> > > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > group has requested for that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Saji,

 

Can u tell me who has done this classification, it's wrong from the

scratch. It's all imagination.

 

Ps. try to understand sanyas or vairagya is individualistic.

 

Jivaka or Avdhoota or whatsoever are mere organisations

(sampradayas), it has nothing to do with either vairagya or sanyaas

or astrology. Like i begin a movement and my followers make a

sampradaya and then after some 100 yrs somebody starts saying

follower of my sampradaya are ruled by Ketu ... it's wrong, no

substance.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji Bhaskaran "

<saajik wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> Each planet denotes a kind of sanyasi. Not Shani or Guru alone. I

was

> seperating the quality of shani from others. Mars also denote a

> sanyasi if my memory serves me right, sAkhyA, now try to learn what

> this mean. Guru I think denotes a 'jIvaka' state. The state of

shani

> is avadhUta. A person becomes the kind of sanyasi represented by

the

> strongest planet.You mean to say in all these cases, its Guru's

> influence?

>

> Best regards,

>

> Saaji Bhaskaran

>

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> >

> > No Saji,

> >

> > Strong guru is available in 5'th house of Bhagwan Sri Ramkrishna

> > Paramhansha's chart, and if i m not wrong, it's also available

> either

> > in Maata Aaanadmai or Yogananda's chart...

> >

> > Sani attaches one's mind to austerity, only to austerity before

he

> > meets the omnipresent all pervading God.

> >

> > they stick to what they have opted for .. this is not the

sanyaas,

> > they are in transformation stage and not the transformed, Sani

> stops

> > u this point only, where Sani ends, Guru begins.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

Bhaskaran "

> > <saajik@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > " the reduction gives u strong attachment, attachment to

> > > > the state u have reached to, "

> > >

> > > This is the point I wanted to convey with the state of

pravrajya

> > > Shani gives.The strong attachment only to the state one reached

> > > nothing else but God, the imperishable brahman. No interest

> > anything

> > > else but brahman. brahman and brahman alone.

> > >

> > > " Sani's aspect on Moon plus an active/powerful

> > > > Guru is required in one's chart to make him true vairagi or

> > > sanyasi. " . I wont say " Required " , I will say " It can " . I can

> > > recollect a horo just once seen, and I know your horo.

> > >

> > > I dont agree with what you want to convey. But its fine. Let's

> > agree

> > > to disagree.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Saaji Bhasakran

> > >

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Saji,

> > > >

> > > > Sani is a planet for contraction, it gives u urge to reduce

to

> 5

> > > > bhutas or 5 elements, hitherto it's right, I also agree to

you

> in

> > > > what u say -

> > > >

> > > > " with minimum or no dress, high austerity, and food will be

> > minimum

> > > > to keep the life active, and there will be no difference in

> > > religion

> > > > for him or just to put no difference in literally anything "

> > > >

> > > > But let's move further from this point to understand the

> vairagya

> > > and

> > > > sani's play. the reduction gives u strong attachment,

> attachment

> > to

> > > > the state u have reached to, they are firmly bounded to

> > austerity,

> > > > attached to loose the luxury ... they are wrong, completely

> > wrong,

> > > > caught up in one state of mind, I have met dozens of such

> > vairagis

> > > > and tried to open up their mind, it was very difficult coz

> saturn

> > > > grips them stronger then the Favicol.

> > > >

> > > > vairagya is when u have no attachment to any thing whether

it's

> > > > glamour or whether it's sanyas or austerity.pls. understand

the

> > > > vairagya defined by Guru Gorakhnath, he said vairagya is a

> state

> > > when

> > > > one's mind is not attached to any thing, he says -

> > > >

> > > > " Aaage ho tiriya hazaar aur raaj samman, pichhe ho dhnui

alakh

> > > > niranjan ...... " , One has to remain unattached (Vairagya in

> both

> > > but

> > > > not involved even in Vairagya), it needs wisdom, such a

wisdom

> is

> > > > unknown to Sani, So Sani's aspect on Moon plus an

> > active/powerful

> > > > Guru is required in one's chart to make him true vairagi or

> > sanyasi.

> > > >

> > > > I dont know why people are getting confused, there is a clear

> > > > distinction between Guru and Sani, let's not blurr the

> > distinction.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

> > Bhaskaran "

> > > > <saajik@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep & Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > For me, Sani is the karaka for vairagya. Take the example

of

> > > > > Pravrajya yoga, the very essence of pravrajya is leaving

> one's

> > > > house

> > > > > and relatives. In the pravrajya yogas, if shani is the

karaka

> > the

> > > > > reason will be atma vairagya, for Surya, its caused by

father

> > and

> > > > > like wise. For me, atma vairagya is the highest sort. If

> Shani

> > > > > results in Pravrajya yoga, then one will be a parama

jnaani,

> > with

> > > > > interest in Upanishads and paramaatman and the means also,

> see

> > > > > vairagya will be the highest sort, with minimum or no

dress,

> > high

> > > > > austerity, and food will be minimum to keep the life

active,

> > and

> > > > > there will be no difference in religion for him or just to

> put

> > no

> > > > > difference in literally anything. If you compare the sect

of

> > > > sanyasis

> > > > > that result from each planet, you will get an idea of what

> > Shani

> > > > > stands for!

> > > > >

> > > > > Guru ofcourse is the karaka for jnaana but we should not

> > > > interchange

> > > > > jnaana with knowledge. Mercury stands for

learning/knowledge

> > and

> > > > > intelligence. Unless other factors are not supportive, what

> > > > `jnaana'

> > > > > is this by Guru, with which one can not control mind and

ego

> > and

> > > > > final fall becomes inevitable ? Here is where

Chandrashekhar

> > ji's

> > > > > point of `Guru the principle and Guru the planet' , which

> > others

> > > > keep

> > > > > a close eye as their agenda is just opposite.

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Saaji Bhaskaran

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for sharing your views.

> > > > > > Ofcourse as you have said,the effect has to finally fall

on

> > > > > > mind/perceptional medium for 'us' to realize.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pravarjya Yogas extensively talk about Saturn and Mars

> apart

> > > from

> > > > > > multiple planetary combinations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As you are aware of, Sani is the Karaka for old age and

> > > diseases.

> > > > > > (Restrictive effect of Time on kshara tattwa as compared

to

> > > > > akshara).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The time elapsation and cycle of material entry/exit

> > > > points,results

> > > > > > from attachment.As Shani is Ravi Putra,it is pointing to

> > > > > > continuation/result of our own karma.When Ravi is able to

> > > realize

> > > > > > this in full,time has no more role to play.Thus Sani is

> > having

> > > a

> > > > > role

> > > > > > in developing Viaragya,by reminding ''us'' about our own

> > > > acts/past.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jivatmas poorva punya is expansion in the immortal

> > > direction.This

> > > > > is

> > > > > > the blessing of Guru.When we are prepared to learn we

will

> be

> > > > > > showered with more knowledge.This is the expansive

> influence

> > of

> > > > > Guru

> > > > > > resulting in Jnana Sampath.If we want to remain in

> reflective

> > > > > > identity,Sani will teach us about the restrictive/mortal

> > > > > nature.Thus

> > > > > > it is a cycle.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Going by ''Sanivad Rahu'' - Rahu is the invisible time

> > > principle

> > > > > > resulting out of intersection of atma and mana along the

> > above

> > > > said

> > > > > > cycle.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All grahas are important and no one is bad is my

> > > > > understanding.Except

> > > > > > Sun/Moon all others except chaya grahas are capable of

> > > producing

> > > > > > Mahapurusha Yogas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your views are respected too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kind Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Pradeep,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I w'd like to do a correction, Sani can not give

> Vairagya,

> > > It's

> > > > > > > always the Moon afflicted by Sani.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There has been lots of mess regarding Sani in last 25

> yrs,

> > > Sani

> > > > > > > though can indicate Karma but can never act like

> spiritual

> > > Guru.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are a class of astrologers who started declaring

> Sani

> > > as

> > > > > > > benific as Guru, No, we are doing fundamental mistake.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > >

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Ramanarayan ji Chandrashekhar ji and other

> respected

> > > > > members

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is really great to read the views expressed.

> > > > > > > > Due to lack of time ,i have been unable to share my

> > > > > > understatnding

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > far, on what you have explained.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As understood from the colour disc resulting in white

> > > > > light,upon

> > > > > > > > rotation - your views on the stillness of Nataraja as

> > > height

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > velocity is intutive and great.Thank you very much

for

> > > > sharing

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > views.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Similarly i assume height of velocity and supreme

> > > > concentration

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > two sides of the same coin.Srishti ,Sthithi Samhara

may

> > > also

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > correlated with the breath aspects that you have

> > explained.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Due to HIS blessing and blessing of Gurus ,the

concept

> > > > > explained

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > unfolding in front of humble souls like me - Samhara

> > > Moorthi

> > > > > > > engaging

> > > > > > > > in Tandava,as height of velocity.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Guru as progression of atma and Sani as progression

of

> > mana

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > intutive too.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The teaching and experiments that one has to undergo

> from

> > > > Sani

> > > > > > > > maharaja is definitely a check on mind- the dwindling

> or

> > > > > > > restriction

> > > > > > > > of reflective identity - a means for mukthi from the

> > > clutches

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > TIME.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Similarly Guru the expansive element- the karaka for

> the

> > > > > > expansion

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > blossoming of aakasha padma - is a progression of

atma

> > > tattwa

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > have kindly explained.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Makara the Karma Mandala and material/practical

canvas

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > horoscope is ruled by Sani.The expansion indicated by

> > Guru

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > confined to or restricted by the realms of TIME.Thus

it

> > is

> > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > that Guru has to feel debilitated in this Kshethra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However the very Sani is also responsible for

> restriction

> > > of

> > > > > > > > mana.Sani or manda, moving at a slow pace keeps a

> record

> > of

> > > > our

> > > > > > > > karmas and rewards us with fruits,at a later

> > stage.Vairagya

> > > > is

> > > > > > > infact

> > > > > > > > a check or self enforced restraint on Mana.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is also intersting to note the exaltation of Guru

in

> > the

> > > > > > > Kshethra

> > > > > > > > of Mana.Mana and the Mayaloka has no limits.Guru is

> thus

> > > > happy

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > such an environment.Interestingly from another angle

> Mana

> > > can

> > > > > > > > assimilate with satwika tattwa,with no awareness or

> > > identity

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > time at all.This may be the ajapa that you are

> referring

> > > > to.The

> > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > is not there if there is no thought and the world is

as

> > far

> > > > and

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > wide, as one's thoughts can go.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope i have not corrupted your understanding.Kindly

> > > correct

> > > > > me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Happy Maha Sivarathri.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respect and Seeking your blessings

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sree88ganesha "

> > > > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive your mail. i am

happy

> > to

> > > > note

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > deep interest in the subject. i am just back from

my

> > > > > schedule.

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > be away for a few more days - Siva Ratri is round

the

> > > > corner.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i feel that every pravesha has a definite

> > significance.

> > > > This

> > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > mean that i am trying to belittle the thithi

pravesha

> > > > theory.

> > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > go into this later.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i just came across our respected Chandrasekharji's

> > > > > observation

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > connection with exaltation and debilitation of

> grahas.

> > i

> > > > have

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > through others observation. i am sorry for that.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Let me take up one by one. You can stop me when

> you/the

> > > > group

> > > > > > > feels

> > > > > > > > > this is boring.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best wishes.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir P.S. RamNarain Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar, Hope u r fine there and doing well,

From

> > the

> > > > > Group

> > > > > > > > side, We

> > > > > > > > > > are expecting u to complete ur interesting

article

> on

> > > > rahu

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > exaltation in which u indicated Kurma Avtaar's

> > > > > significations

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > undestanding the exaltation theories.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pls. find some time for our sake, I w'd also

> request

> > > you

> > > > to

> > > > > > > throw

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > light on significations of Tithi Pravesha charts,

a

> > sr.

> > > > > > member

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > group has requested for that.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit,

 

" Can u tell me who has done this classification, it's wrong from the

> scratch. It's all imagination. "

 

I dont know who started this. Some are from time immemorial. But I

believe in this and its my experience also. May be in complicated

cases I may not be able to differentiate things but I will attribute

this to lack of my ability and other influences in a horoscope.

 

<<

> Jivaka or Avdhoota or whatsoever are mere organisations

> (sampradayas), it has nothing to do with either vairagya or sanyaas

> or astrology. Like i begin a movement and my followers make a

> sampradaya and then after some 100 yrs somebody starts saying

> follower of my sampradaya are ruled by Ketu ... it's wrong, no

> substance.

>>

 

The very fact that ancient rishis and later on learned ones able to

attribute everything on 9 planets and 12 houses and their

combinations make everything seen by astrology. Thats why this is the

divine science !

 

Best regards,

 

Saaji Bhaskaran

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

<mishra.lalit wrote:

>

> Dear Saji,

>

> Can u tell me who has done this classification, it's wrong from the

> scratch. It's all imagination.

>

> Ps. try to understand sanyas or vairagya is individualistic.

>

> Jivaka or Avdhoota or whatsoever are mere organisations

> (sampradayas), it has nothing to do with either vairagya or sanyaas

> or astrology. Like i begin a movement and my followers make a

> sampradaya and then after some 100 yrs somebody starts saying

> follower of my sampradaya are ruled by Ketu ... it's wrong, no

> substance.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji Bhaskaran "

> <saajik@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > Each planet denotes a kind of sanyasi. Not Shani or Guru alone. I

> was

> > seperating the quality of shani from others. Mars also denote a

> > sanyasi if my memory serves me right, sAkhyA, now try to learn

what

> > this mean. Guru I think denotes a 'jIvaka' state. The state of

> shani

> > is avadhUta. A person becomes the kind of sanyasi represented by

> the

> > strongest planet.You mean to say in all these cases, its Guru's

> > influence?

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Saaji Bhaskaran

> >

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > >

> > > No Saji,

> > >

> > > Strong guru is available in 5'th house of Bhagwan Sri

Ramkrishna

> > > Paramhansha's chart, and if i m not wrong, it's also available

> > either

> > > in Maata Aaanadmai or Yogananda's chart...

> > >

> > > Sani attaches one's mind to austerity, only to austerity before

> he

> > > meets the omnipresent all pervading God.

> > >

> > > they stick to what they have opted for .. this is not the

> sanyaas,

> > > they are in transformation stage and not the transformed, Sani

> > stops

> > > u this point only, where Sani ends, Guru begins.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

> Bhaskaran "

> > > <saajik@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > " the reduction gives u strong attachment, attachment to

> > > > > the state u have reached to, "

> > > >

> > > > This is the point I wanted to convey with the state of

> pravrajya

> > > > Shani gives.The strong attachment only to the state one

reached

> > > > nothing else but God, the imperishable brahman. No interest

> > > anything

> > > > else but brahman. brahman and brahman alone.

> > > >

> > > > " Sani's aspect on Moon plus an active/powerful

> > > > > Guru is required in one's chart to make him true vairagi or

> > > > sanyasi. " . I wont say " Required " , I will say " It can " . I can

> > > > recollect a horo just once seen, and I know your horo.

> > > >

> > > > I dont agree with what you want to convey. But its fine.

Let's

> > > agree

> > > > to disagree.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > >

> > > > Saaji Bhasakran

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Saji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sani is a planet for contraction, it gives u urge to reduce

> to

> > 5

> > > > > bhutas or 5 elements, hitherto it's right, I also agree to

> you

> > in

> > > > > what u say -

> > > > >

> > > > > " with minimum or no dress, high austerity, and food will be

> > > minimum

> > > > > to keep the life active, and there will be no difference in

> > > > religion

> > > > > for him or just to put no difference in literally anything "

> > > > >

> > > > > But let's move further from this point to understand the

> > vairagya

> > > > and

> > > > > sani's play. the reduction gives u strong attachment,

> > attachment

> > > to

> > > > > the state u have reached to, they are firmly bounded to

> > > austerity,

> > > > > attached to loose the luxury ... they are wrong, completely

> > > wrong,

> > > > > caught up in one state of mind, I have met dozens of such

> > > vairagis

> > > > > and tried to open up their mind, it was very difficult coz

> > saturn

> > > > > grips them stronger then the Favicol.

> > > > >

> > > > > vairagya is when u have no attachment to any thing whether

> it's

> > > > > glamour or whether it's sanyas or austerity.pls. understand

> the

> > > > > vairagya defined by Guru Gorakhnath, he said vairagya is a

> > state

> > > > when

> > > > > one's mind is not attached to any thing, he says -

> > > > >

> > > > > " Aaage ho tiriya hazaar aur raaj samman, pichhe ho dhnui

> alakh

> > > > > niranjan ...... " , One has to remain unattached (Vairagya

in

> > both

> > > > but

> > > > > not involved even in Vairagya), it needs wisdom, such a

> wisdom

> > is

> > > > > unknown to Sani, So Sani's aspect on Moon plus an

> > > active/powerful

> > > > > Guru is required in one's chart to make him true vairagi or

> > > sanyasi.

> > > > >

> > > > > I dont know why people are getting confused, there is a

clear

> > > > > distinction between Guru and Sani, let's not blurr the

> > > distinction.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

> > > Bhaskaran "

> > > > > <saajik@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeep & Lalit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For me, Sani is the karaka for vairagya. Take the example

> of

> > > > > > Pravrajya yoga, the very essence of pravrajya is leaving

> > one's

> > > > > house

> > > > > > and relatives. In the pravrajya yogas, if shani is the

> karaka

> > > the

> > > > > > reason will be atma vairagya, for Surya, its caused by

> father

> > > and

> > > > > > like wise. For me, atma vairagya is the highest sort. If

> > Shani

> > > > > > results in Pravrajya yoga, then one will be a parama

> jnaani,

> > > with

> > > > > > interest in Upanishads and paramaatman and the means

also,

> > see

> > > > > > vairagya will be the highest sort, with minimum or no

> dress,

> > > high

> > > > > > austerity, and food will be minimum to keep the life

> active,

> > > and

> > > > > > there will be no difference in religion for him or just

to

> > put

> > > no

> > > > > > difference in literally anything. If you compare the sect

> of

> > > > > sanyasis

> > > > > > that result from each planet, you will get an idea of

what

> > > Shani

> > > > > > stands for!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Guru ofcourse is the karaka for jnaana but we should not

> > > > > interchange

> > > > > > jnaana with knowledge. Mercury stands for

> learning/knowledge

> > > and

> > > > > > intelligence. Unless other factors are not supportive,

what

> > > > > `jnaana'

> > > > > > is this by Guru, with which one can not control mind and

> ego

> > > and

> > > > > > final fall becomes inevitable ? Here is where

> Chandrashekhar

> > > ji's

> > > > > > point of `Guru the principle and Guru the planet' , which

> > > others

> > > > > keep

> > > > > > a close eye as their agenda is just opposite.

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Saaji Bhaskaran

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > > >

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your views.

> > > > > > > Ofcourse as you have said,the effect has to finally

fall

> on

> > > > > > > mind/perceptional medium for 'us' to realize.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pravarjya Yogas extensively talk about Saturn and Mars

> > apart

> > > > from

> > > > > > > multiple planetary combinations.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As you are aware of, Sani is the Karaka for old age and

> > > > diseases.

> > > > > > > (Restrictive effect of Time on kshara tattwa as

compared

> to

> > > > > > akshara).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The time elapsation and cycle of material entry/exit

> > > > > points,results

> > > > > > > from attachment.As Shani is Ravi Putra,it is pointing

to

> > > > > > > continuation/result of our own karma.When Ravi is able

to

> > > > realize

> > > > > > > this in full,time has no more role to play.Thus Sani is

> > > having

> > > > a

> > > > > > role

> > > > > > > in developing Viaragya,by reminding ''us'' about our

own

> > > > > acts/past.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jivatmas poorva punya is expansion in the immortal

> > > > direction.This

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > the blessing of Guru.When we are prepared to learn we

> will

> > be

> > > > > > > showered with more knowledge.This is the expansive

> > influence

> > > of

> > > > > > Guru

> > > > > > > resulting in Jnana Sampath.If we want to remain in

> > reflective

> > > > > > > identity,Sani will teach us about the

restrictive/mortal

> > > > > > nature.Thus

> > > > > > > it is a cycle.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Going by ''Sanivad Rahu'' - Rahu is the invisible time

> > > > principle

> > > > > > > resulting out of intersection of atma and mana along

the

> > > above

> > > > > said

> > > > > > > cycle.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All grahas are important and no one is bad is my

> > > > > > understanding.Except

> > > > > > > Sun/Moon all others except chaya grahas are capable of

> > > > producing

> > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yogas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your views are respected too.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kind Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Pradeep,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I w'd like to do a correction, Sani can not give

> > Vairagya,

> > > > It's

> > > > > > > > always the Moon afflicted by Sani.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There has been lots of mess regarding Sani in last 25

> > yrs,

> > > > Sani

> > > > > > > > though can indicate Karma but can never act like

> > spiritual

> > > > Guru.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There are a class of astrologers who started

declaring

> > Sani

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > benific as Guru, No, we are doing fundamental mistake.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Ramanarayan ji Chandrashekhar ji and other

> > respected

> > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is really great to read the views expressed.

> > > > > > > > > Due to lack of time ,i have been unable to share my

> > > > > > > understatnding

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > far, on what you have explained.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As understood from the colour disc resulting in

white

> > > > > > light,upon

> > > > > > > > > rotation - your views on the stillness of Nataraja

as

> > > > height

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > velocity is intutive and great.Thank you very much

> for

> > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > views.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Similarly i assume height of velocity and supreme

> > > > > concentration

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > two sides of the same coin.Srishti ,Sthithi Samhara

> may

> > > > also

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > correlated with the breath aspects that you have

> > > explained.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Due to HIS blessing and blessing of Gurus ,the

> concept

> > > > > > explained

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > unfolding in front of humble souls like me -

Samhara

> > > > Moorthi

> > > > > > > > engaging

> > > > > > > > > in Tandava,as height of velocity.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Guru as progression of atma and Sani as progression

> of

> > > mana

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > intutive too.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The teaching and experiments that one has to

undergo

> > from

> > > > > Sani

> > > > > > > > > maharaja is definitely a check on mind- the

dwindling

> > or

> > > > > > > > restriction

> > > > > > > > > of reflective identity - a means for mukthi from

the

> > > > clutches

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > TIME.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Similarly Guru the expansive element- the karaka

for

> > the

> > > > > > > expansion

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > blossoming of aakasha padma - is a progression of

> atma

> > > > tattwa

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > have kindly explained.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Makara the Karma Mandala and material/practical

> canvas

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > horoscope is ruled by Sani.The expansion indicated

by

> > > Guru

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > confined to or restricted by the realms of

TIME.Thus

> it

> > > is

> > > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > that Guru has to feel debilitated in this Kshethra.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > However the very Sani is also responsible for

> > restriction

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > mana.Sani or manda, moving at a slow pace keeps a

> > record

> > > of

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > karmas and rewards us with fruits,at a later

> > > stage.Vairagya

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > infact

> > > > > > > > > a check or self enforced restraint on Mana.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is also intersting to note the exaltation of

Guru

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > > > Kshethra

> > > > > > > > > of Mana.Mana and the Mayaloka has no limits.Guru is

> > thus

> > > > > happy

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > such an environment.Interestingly from another

angle

> > Mana

> > > > can

> > > > > > > > > assimilate with satwika tattwa,with no awareness or

> > > > identity

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > time at all.This may be the ajapa that you are

> > referring

> > > > > to.The

> > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > is not there if there is no thought and the world

is

> as

> > > far

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > wide, as one's thoughts can go.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hope i have not corrupted your

understanding.Kindly

> > > > correct

> > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Happy Maha Sivarathri.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respect and Seeking your blessings

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sree88ganesha "

> > > > > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > > > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive your mail. i am

> happy

> > > to

> > > > > note

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > deep interest in the subject. i am just back from

> my

> > > > > > schedule.

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > be away for a few more days - Siva Ratri is round

> the

> > > > > corner.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > i feel that every pravesha has a definite

> > > significance.

> > > > > This

> > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > mean that i am trying to belittle the thithi

> pravesha

> > > > > theory.

> > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > go into this later.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > i just came across our respected

Chandrasekharji's

> > > > > > observation

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > connection with exaltation and debilitation of

> > grahas.

> > > i

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > through others observation. i am sorry for that.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Let me take up one by one. You can stop me when

> > you/the

> > > > > group

> > > > > > > > feels

> > > > > > > > > > this is boring.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Best wishes.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > > > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir P.S. RamNarain Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar, Hope u r fine there and doing well,

> From

> > > the

> > > > > > Group

> > > > > > > > > side, We

> > > > > > > > > > > are expecting u to complete ur interesting

> article

> > on

> > > > > rahu

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > exaltation in which u indicated Kurma Avtaar's

> > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > undestanding the exaltation theories.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Pls. find some time for our sake, I w'd also

> > request

> > > > you

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > throw

> > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > light on significations of Tithi Pravesha

charts,

> a

> > > sr.

> > > > > > > member

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > group has requested for that.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit,

 

<<

> have u met any sanaasi reach to God ruled by Mars or Venus or So ?

> Pls. share with us.

>>

 

No I havent met any sanyaasi. My so called experiences are on charts

of Swamis, like Ammachi, Swami Chandrashekarandra Saraswati

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrashekarendra_Saraswati etc;

available.

 

Best regards,

 

Saaji Bhaskaran

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

<mishra.lalit wrote:

>

> Dear Saji,

>

> There is a deviation from the discussion started, we will come back

> to the point just before the deviation.

>

> I m curious to know abt your experiece, That w'd be interesting.

>

> " But I believe in this and its my experience also "

>

> have u met any sanaasi reach to God ruled by Mars or Venus or So ?

> Pls. share with us.

>

> regards,

> Lalit..

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji Bhaskaran "

> <saajik@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > " Can u tell me who has done this classification, it's wrong from

> the

> > > scratch. It's all imagination. "

> >

> > I dont know who started this. Some are from time immemorial. But

I

> > believe in this and its my experience also. May be in complicated

> > cases I may not be able to differentiate things but I will

> attribute

> > this to lack of my ability and other influences in a horoscope.

> >

> > <<

> > > Jivaka or Avdhoota or whatsoever are mere organisations

> > > (sampradayas), it has nothing to do with either vairagya or

> sanyaas

> > > or astrology. Like i begin a movement and my followers make a

> > > sampradaya and then after some 100 yrs somebody starts saying

> > > follower of my sampradaya are ruled by Ketu ... it's wrong, no

> > > substance.

> > >>

> >

> > The very fact that ancient rishis and later on learned ones able

to

> > attribute everything on 9 planets and 12 houses and their

> > combinations make everything seen by astrology. Thats why this is

> the

> > divine science !

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Saaji Bhaskaran

> >

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Saji,

> > >

> > > Can u tell me who has done this classification, it's wrong from

> the

> > > scratch. It's all imagination.

> > >

> > > Ps. try to understand sanyas or vairagya is individualistic.

> > >

> > > Jivaka or Avdhoota or whatsoever are mere organisations

> > > (sampradayas), it has nothing to do with either vairagya or

> sanyaas

> > > or astrology. Like i begin a movement and my followers make a

> > > sampradaya and then after some 100 yrs somebody starts saying

> > > follower of my sampradaya are ruled by Ketu ... it's wrong, no

> > > substance.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

> Bhaskaran "

> > > <saajik@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > Each planet denotes a kind of sanyasi. Not Shani or Guru

alone.

> I

> > > was

> > > > seperating the quality of shani from others. Mars also denote

a

> > > > sanyasi if my memory serves me right, sAkhyA, now try to

learn

> > what

> > > > this mean. Guru I think denotes a 'jIvaka' state. The state

of

> > > shani

> > > > is avadhUta. A person becomes the kind of sanyasi represented

> by

> > > the

> > > > strongest planet.You mean to say in all these cases, its

Guru's

> > > > influence?

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > >

> > > > Saaji Bhaskaran

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > No Saji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Strong guru is available in 5'th house of Bhagwan Sri

> > Ramkrishna

> > > > > Paramhansha's chart, and if i m not wrong, it's also

> available

> > > > either

> > > > > in Maata Aaanadmai or Yogananda's chart...

> > > > >

> > > > > Sani attaches one's mind to austerity, only to austerity

> before

> > > he

> > > > > meets the omnipresent all pervading God.

> > > > >

> > > > > they stick to what they have opted for .. this is not the

> > > sanyaas,

> > > > > they are in transformation stage and not the transformed,

> Sani

> > > > stops

> > > > > u this point only, where Sani ends, Guru begins.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

> > > Bhaskaran "

> > > > > <saajik@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " the reduction gives u strong attachment, attachment to

> > > > > > > the state u have reached to, "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is the point I wanted to convey with the state of

> > > pravrajya

> > > > > > Shani gives.The strong attachment only to the state one

> > reached

> > > > > > nothing else but God, the imperishable brahman. No

interest

> > > > > anything

> > > > > > else but brahman. brahman and brahman alone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Sani's aspect on Moon plus an active/powerful

> > > > > > > Guru is required in one's chart to make him true

vairagi

> or

> > > > > > sanyasi. " . I wont say " Required " , I will say " It can " . I

> can

> > > > > > recollect a horo just once seen, and I know your horo.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I dont agree with what you want to convey. But its fine.

> > Let's

> > > > > agree

> > > > > > to disagree.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saaji Bhasakran

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Saji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sani is a planet for contraction, it gives u urge to

> reduce

> > > to

> > > > 5

> > > > > > > bhutas or 5 elements, hitherto it's right, I also agree

> to

> > > you

> > > > in

> > > > > > > what u say -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " with minimum or no dress, high austerity, and food

will

> be

> > > > > minimum

> > > > > > > to keep the life active, and there will be no

difference

> in

> > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > for him or just to put no difference in literally

> anything "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But let's move further from this point to understand

the

> > > > vairagya

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > sani's play. the reduction gives u strong attachment,

> > > > attachment

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > the state u have reached to, they are firmly bounded to

> > > > > austerity,

> > > > > > > attached to loose the luxury ... they are wrong,

> completely

> > > > > wrong,

> > > > > > > caught up in one state of mind, I have met dozens of

such

> > > > > vairagis

> > > > > > > and tried to open up their mind, it was very difficult

> coz

> > > > saturn

> > > > > > > grips them stronger then the Favicol.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vairagya is when u have no attachment to any thing

> whether

> > > it's

> > > > > > > glamour or whether it's sanyas or austerity.pls.

> understand

> > > the

> > > > > > > vairagya defined by Guru Gorakhnath, he said vairagya

is

> a

> > > > state

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > one's mind is not attached to any thing, he says -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Aaage ho tiriya hazaar aur raaj samman, pichhe ho

dhnui

> > > alakh

> > > > > > > niranjan ...... " , One has to remain unattached

(Vairagya

> > in

> > > > both

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > not involved even in Vairagya), it needs wisdom, such a

> > > wisdom

> > > > is

> > > > > > > unknown to Sani, So Sani's aspect on Moon plus an

> > > > > active/powerful

> > > > > > > Guru is required in one's chart to make him true

vairagi

> or

> > > > > sanyasi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I dont know why people are getting confused, there is a

> > clear

> > > > > > > distinction between Guru and Sani, let's not blurr the

> > > > > distinction.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

> > > > > Bhaskaran "

> > > > > > > <saajik@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep & Lalit,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For me, Sani is the karaka for vairagya. Take the

> example

> > > of

> > > > > > > > Pravrajya yoga, the very essence of pravrajya is

> leaving

> > > > one's

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > and relatives. In the pravrajya yogas, if shani is

the

> > > karaka

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > reason will be atma vairagya, for Surya, its caused

by

> > > father

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > like wise. For me, atma vairagya is the highest sort.

> If

> > > > Shani

> > > > > > > > results in Pravrajya yoga, then one will be a parama

> > > jnaani,

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > interest in Upanishads and paramaatman and the means

> > also,

> > > > see

> > > > > > > > vairagya will be the highest sort, with minimum or no

> > > dress,

> > > > > high

> > > > > > > > austerity, and food will be minimum to keep the life

> > > active,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > there will be no difference in religion for him or

just

> > to

> > > > put

> > > > > no

> > > > > > > > difference in literally anything. If you compare the

> sect

> > > of

> > > > > > > sanyasis

> > > > > > > > that result from each planet, you will get an idea of

> > what

> > > > > Shani

> > > > > > > > stands for!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Guru ofcourse is the karaka for jnaana but we should

> not

> > > > > > > interchange

> > > > > > > > jnaana with knowledge. Mercury stands for

> > > learning/knowledge

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > intelligence. Unless other factors are not

supportive,

> > what

> > > > > > > `jnaana'

> > > > > > > > is this by Guru, with which one can not control mind

> and

> > > ego

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > final fall becomes inevitable ? Here is where

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > point of `Guru the principle and Guru the planet' ,

> which

> > > > > others

> > > > > > > keep

> > > > > > > > a close eye as their agenda is just opposite.

> > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > Saaji Bhaskaran

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your views.

> > > > > > > > > Ofcourse as you have said,the effect has to finally

> > fall

> > > on

> > > > > > > > > mind/perceptional medium for 'us' to realize.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pravarjya Yogas extensively talk about Saturn and

> Mars

> > > > apart

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > multiple planetary combinations.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As you are aware of, Sani is the Karaka for old age

> and

> > > > > > diseases.

> > > > > > > > > (Restrictive effect of Time on kshara tattwa as

> > compared

> > > to

> > > > > > > > akshara).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The time elapsation and cycle of material

entry/exit

> > > > > > > points,results

> > > > > > > > > from attachment.As Shani is Ravi Putra,it is

pointing

> > to

> > > > > > > > > continuation/result of our own karma.When Ravi is

> able

> > to

> > > > > > realize

> > > > > > > > > this in full,time has no more role to play.Thus

Sani

> is

> > > > > having

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > role

> > > > > > > > > in developing Viaragya,by reminding ''us'' about

our

> > own

> > > > > > > acts/past.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jivatmas poorva punya is expansion in the immortal

> > > > > > direction.This

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > the blessing of Guru.When we are prepared to learn

we

> > > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > showered with more knowledge.This is the expansive

> > > > influence

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Guru

> > > > > > > > > resulting in Jnana Sampath.If we want to remain in

> > > > reflective

> > > > > > > > > identity,Sani will teach us about the

> > restrictive/mortal

> > > > > > > > nature.Thus

> > > > > > > > > it is a cycle.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Going by ''Sanivad Rahu'' - Rahu is the invisible

> time

> > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > resulting out of intersection of atma and mana

along

> > the

> > > > > above

> > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > cycle.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > All grahas are important and no one is bad is my

> > > > > > > > understanding.Except

> > > > > > > > > Sun/Moon all others except chaya grahas are capable

> of

> > > > > > producing

> > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yogas.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Your views are respected too.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kind Regds

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I w'd like to do a correction, Sani can not give

> > > > Vairagya,

> > > > > > It's

> > > > > > > > > > always the Moon afflicted by Sani.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There has been lots of mess regarding Sani in

last

> 25

> > > > yrs,

> > > > > > Sani

> > > > > > > > > > though can indicate Karma but can never act like

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > > Guru.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There are a class of astrologers who started

> > declaring

> > > > Sani

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > benific as Guru, No, we are doing fundamental

> mistake.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramanarayan ji Chandrashekhar ji and other

> > > > respected

> > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is really great to read the views expressed.

> > > > > > > > > > > Due to lack of time ,i have been unable to

share

> my

> > > > > > > > > understatnding

> > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > far, on what you have explained.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As understood from the colour disc resulting in

> > white

> > > > > > > > light,upon

> > > > > > > > > > > rotation - your views on the stillness of

> Nataraja

> > as

> > > > > > height

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > velocity is intutive and great.Thank you very

> much

> > > for

> > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > views.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Similarly i assume height of velocity and

supreme

> > > > > > > concentration

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > two sides of the same coin.Srishti ,Sthithi

> Samhara

> > > may

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > correlated with the breath aspects that you

have

> > > > > explained.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Due to HIS blessing and blessing of Gurus ,the

> > > concept

> > > > > > > > explained

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > unfolding in front of humble souls like me -

> > Samhara

> > > > > > Moorthi

> > > > > > > > > > engaging

> > > > > > > > > > > in Tandava,as height of velocity.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Guru as progression of atma and Sani as

> progression

> > > of

> > > > > mana

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > intutive too.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The teaching and experiments that one has to

> > undergo

> > > > from

> > > > > > > Sani

> > > > > > > > > > > maharaja is definitely a check on mind- the

> > dwindling

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > restriction

> > > > > > > > > > > of reflective identity - a means for mukthi

from

> > the

> > > > > > clutches

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > TIME.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Similarly Guru the expansive element- the

karaka

> > for

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > expansion

> > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > blossoming of aakasha padma - is a progression

of

> > > atma

> > > > > > tattwa

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > have kindly explained.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Makara the Karma Mandala and material/practical

> > > canvas

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > > > horoscope is ruled by Sani.The expansion

> indicated

> > by

> > > > > Guru

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > confined to or restricted by the realms of

> > TIME.Thus

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > > > that Guru has to feel debilitated in this

> Kshethra.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > However the very Sani is also responsible for

> > > > restriction

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > mana.Sani or manda, moving at a slow pace keeps

a

> > > > record

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > karmas and rewards us with fruits,at a later

> > > > > stage.Vairagya

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > infact

> > > > > > > > > > > a check or self enforced restraint on Mana.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is also intersting to note the exaltation of

> > Guru

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Kshethra

> > > > > > > > > > > of Mana.Mana and the Mayaloka has no

limits.Guru

> is

> > > > thus

> > > > > > > happy

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > such an environment.Interestingly from another

> > angle

> > > > Mana

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > assimilate with satwika tattwa,with no

awareness

> or

> > > > > > identity

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > time at all.This may be the ajapa that you are

> > > > referring

> > > > > > > to.The

> > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > is not there if there is no thought and the

world

> > is

> > > as

> > > > > far

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > wide, as one's thoughts can go.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I hope i have not corrupted your

> > understanding.Kindly

> > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Happy Maha Sivarathri.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Respect and Seeking your blessings

> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sree88ganesha "

> > > > > > > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > > > > > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive your mail. i

am

> > > happy

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > deep interest in the subject. i am just back

> from

> > > my

> > > > > > > > schedule.

> > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > > > be away for a few more days - Siva Ratri is

> round

> > > the

> > > > > > > corner.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > i feel that every pravesha has a definite

> > > > > significance.

> > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > mean that i am trying to belittle the thithi

> > > pravesha

> > > > > > > theory.

> > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > > > go into this later.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > i just came across our respected

> > Chandrasekharji's

> > > > > > > > observation

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > connection with exaltation and debilitation

of

> > > > grahas.

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > through others observation. i am sorry for

> that.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Let me take up one by one. You can stop me

when

> > > > you/the

> > > > > > > group

> > > > > > > > > > feels

> > > > > > > > > > > > this is boring.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > > > > > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir P.S. RamNarain Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar, Hope u r fine there and doing

> well,

> > > From

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Group

> > > > > > > > > > > side, We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are expecting u to complete ur interesting

> > > article

> > > > on

> > > > > > > rahu

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation in which u indicated Kurma

> Avtaar's

> > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > undestanding the exaltation theories.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. find some time for our sake, I w'd

also

> > > > request

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > throw

> > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > light on significations of Tithi Pravesha

> > charts,

> > > a

> > > > > sr.

> > > > > > > > > member

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > group has requested for that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Saji,

 

May be in next birth Swami Chandrashekarandra Saraswati will realize

the relation between the self and god supreme, that what he had

studied in the texts, all knowledge that he aquired by this life's

austerity has to turn to his self experience.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji Bhaskaran "

<saajik wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> <<

> > have u met any sanaasi reach to God ruled by Mars or Venus or

So ?

> > Pls. share with us.

> >>

>

> No I havent met any sanyaasi. My so called experiences are on

charts

> of Swamis, like Ammachi, Swami Chandrashekarandra Saraswati

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrashekarendra_Saraswati etc;

> available.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Saaji Bhaskaran

>

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Saji,

> >

> > There is a deviation from the discussion started, we will come

back

> > to the point just before the deviation.

> >

> > I m curious to know abt your experiece, That w'd be interesting.

> >

> > " But I believe in this and its my experience also "

> >

> > have u met any sanaasi reach to God ruled by Mars or Venus or

So ?

> > Pls. share with us.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit..

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

Bhaskaran "

> > <saajik@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > " Can u tell me who has done this classification, it's wrong

from

> > the

> > > > scratch. It's all imagination. "

> > >

> > > I dont know who started this. Some are from time immemorial.

But

> I

> > > believe in this and its my experience also. May be in

complicated

> > > cases I may not be able to differentiate things but I will

> > attribute

> > > this to lack of my ability and other influences in a horoscope.

> > >

> > > <<

> > > > Jivaka or Avdhoota or whatsoever are mere organisations

> > > > (sampradayas), it has nothing to do with either vairagya or

> > sanyaas

> > > > or astrology. Like i begin a movement and my followers make a

> > > > sampradaya and then after some 100 yrs somebody starts saying

> > > > follower of my sampradaya are ruled by Ketu ... it's wrong,

no

> > > > substance.

> > > >>

> > >

> > > The very fact that ancient rishis and later on learned ones

able

> to

> > > attribute everything on 9 planets and 12 houses and their

> > > combinations make everything seen by astrology. Thats why this

is

> > the

> > > divine science !

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Saaji Bhaskaran

> > >

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Saji,

> > > >

> > > > Can u tell me who has done this classification, it's wrong

from

> > the

> > > > scratch. It's all imagination.

> > > >

> > > > Ps. try to understand sanyas or vairagya is individualistic.

> > > >

> > > > Jivaka or Avdhoota or whatsoever are mere organisations

> > > > (sampradayas), it has nothing to do with either vairagya or

> > sanyaas

> > > > or astrology. Like i begin a movement and my followers make a

> > > > sampradaya and then after some 100 yrs somebody starts saying

> > > > follower of my sampradaya are ruled by Ketu ... it's wrong,

no

> > > > substance.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

> > Bhaskaran "

> > > > <saajik@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > Each planet denotes a kind of sanyasi. Not Shani or Guru

> alone.

> > I

> > > > was

> > > > > seperating the quality of shani from others. Mars also

denote

> a

> > > > > sanyasi if my memory serves me right, sAkhyA, now try to

> learn

> > > what

> > > > > this mean. Guru I think denotes a 'jIvaka' state. The state

> of

> > > > shani

> > > > > is avadhUta. A person becomes the kind of sanyasi

represented

> > by

> > > > the

> > > > > strongest planet.You mean to say in all these cases, its

> Guru's

> > > > > influence?

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Saaji Bhaskaran

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No Saji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Strong guru is available in 5'th house of Bhagwan Sri

> > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > > Paramhansha's chart, and if i m not wrong, it's also

> > available

> > > > > either

> > > > > > in Maata Aaanadmai or Yogananda's chart...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sani attaches one's mind to austerity, only to austerity

> > before

> > > > he

> > > > > > meets the omnipresent all pervading God.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > they stick to what they have opted for .. this is not the

> > > > sanyaas,

> > > > > > they are in transformation stage and not the transformed,

> > Sani

> > > > > stops

> > > > > > u this point only, where Sani ends, Guru begins.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

> > > > Bhaskaran "

> > > > > > <saajik@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " the reduction gives u strong attachment, attachment to

> > > > > > > > the state u have reached to, "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is the point I wanted to convey with the state of

> > > > pravrajya

> > > > > > > Shani gives.The strong attachment only to the state one

> > > reached

> > > > > > > nothing else but God, the imperishable brahman. No

> interest

> > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > else but brahman. brahman and brahman alone.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Sani's aspect on Moon plus an active/powerful

> > > > > > > > Guru is required in one's chart to make him true

> vairagi

> > or

> > > > > > > sanyasi. " . I wont say " Required " , I will say " It can " .

I

> > can

> > > > > > > recollect a horo just once seen, and I know your horo.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I dont agree with what you want to convey. But its

fine.

> > > Let's

> > > > > > agree

> > > > > > > to disagree.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saaji Bhasakran

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Saji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sani is a planet for contraction, it gives u urge to

> > reduce

> > > > to

> > > > > 5

> > > > > > > > bhutas or 5 elements, hitherto it's right, I also

agree

> > to

> > > > you

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > what u say -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " with minimum or no dress, high austerity, and food

> will

> > be

> > > > > > minimum

> > > > > > > > to keep the life active, and there will be no

> difference

> > in

> > > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > for him or just to put no difference in literally

> > anything "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But let's move further from this point to understand

> the

> > > > > vairagya

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > sani's play. the reduction gives u strong attachment,

> > > > > attachment

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the state u have reached to, they are firmly bounded

to

> > > > > > austerity,

> > > > > > > > attached to loose the luxury ... they are wrong,

> > completely

> > > > > > wrong,

> > > > > > > > caught up in one state of mind, I have met dozens of

> such

> > > > > > vairagis

> > > > > > > > and tried to open up their mind, it was very

difficult

> > coz

> > > > > saturn

> > > > > > > > grips them stronger then the Favicol.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vairagya is when u have no attachment to any thing

> > whether

> > > > it's

> > > > > > > > glamour or whether it's sanyas or austerity.pls.

> > understand

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > vairagya defined by Guru Gorakhnath, he said vairagya

> is

> > a

> > > > > state

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > one's mind is not attached to any thing, he says -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Aaage ho tiriya hazaar aur raaj samman, pichhe ho

> dhnui

> > > > alakh

> > > > > > > > niranjan ...... " , One has to remain unattached

> (Vairagya

> > > in

> > > > > both

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > not involved even in Vairagya), it needs wisdom, such

a

> > > > wisdom

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > unknown to Sani, So Sani's aspect on Moon plus an

> > > > > > active/powerful

> > > > > > > > Guru is required in one's chart to make him true

> vairagi

> > or

> > > > > > sanyasi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I dont know why people are getting confused, there is

a

> > > clear

> > > > > > > > distinction between Guru and Sani, let's not blurr

the

> > > > > > distinction.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

> > > > > > Bhaskaran "

> > > > > > > > <saajik@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep & Lalit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For me, Sani is the karaka for vairagya. Take the

> > example

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Pravrajya yoga, the very essence of pravrajya is

> > leaving

> > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > and relatives. In the pravrajya yogas, if shani is

> the

> > > > karaka

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > reason will be atma vairagya, for Surya, its caused

> by

> > > > father

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > like wise. For me, atma vairagya is the highest

sort.

> > If

> > > > > Shani

> > > > > > > > > results in Pravrajya yoga, then one will be a

parama

> > > > jnaani,

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > interest in Upanishads and paramaatman and the

means

> > > also,

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > vairagya will be the highest sort, with minimum or

no

> > > > dress,

> > > > > > high

> > > > > > > > > austerity, and food will be minimum to keep the

life

> > > > active,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > there will be no difference in religion for him or

> just

> > > to

> > > > > put

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > difference in literally anything. If you compare

the

> > sect

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > sanyasis

> > > > > > > > > that result from each planet, you will get an idea

of

> > > what

> > > > > > Shani

> > > > > > > > > stands for!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Guru ofcourse is the karaka for jnaana but we

should

> > not

> > > > > > > > interchange

> > > > > > > > > jnaana with knowledge. Mercury stands for

> > > > learning/knowledge

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > intelligence. Unless other factors are not

> supportive,

> > > what

> > > > > > > > `jnaana'

> > > > > > > > > is this by Guru, with which one can not control

mind

> > and

> > > > ego

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > final fall becomes inevitable ? Here is where

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > point of `Guru the principle and Guru the planet' ,

> > which

> > > > > > others

> > > > > > > > keep

> > > > > > > > > a close eye as their agenda is just opposite.

> > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > Saaji Bhaskaran

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your views.

> > > > > > > > > > Ofcourse as you have said,the effect has to

finally

> > > fall

> > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > mind/perceptional medium for 'us' to realize.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pravarjya Yogas extensively talk about Saturn and

> > Mars

> > > > > apart

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > multiple planetary combinations.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As you are aware of, Sani is the Karaka for old

age

> > and

> > > > > > > diseases.

> > > > > > > > > > (Restrictive effect of Time on kshara tattwa as

> > > compared

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > akshara).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The time elapsation and cycle of material

> entry/exit

> > > > > > > > points,results

> > > > > > > > > > from attachment.As Shani is Ravi Putra,it is

> pointing

> > > to

> > > > > > > > > > continuation/result of our own karma.When Ravi is

> > able

> > > to

> > > > > > > realize

> > > > > > > > > > this in full,time has no more role to play.Thus

> Sani

> > is

> > > > > > having

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > role

> > > > > > > > > > in developing Viaragya,by reminding ''us'' about

> our

> > > own

> > > > > > > > acts/past.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jivatmas poorva punya is expansion in the

immortal

> > > > > > > direction.This

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > the blessing of Guru.When we are prepared to

learn

> we

> > > > will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > showered with more knowledge.This is the

expansive

> > > > > influence

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Guru

> > > > > > > > > > resulting in Jnana Sampath.If we want to remain

in

> > > > > reflective

> > > > > > > > > > identity,Sani will teach us about the

> > > restrictive/mortal

> > > > > > > > > nature.Thus

> > > > > > > > > > it is a cycle.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Going by ''Sanivad Rahu'' - Rahu is the

invisible

> > time

> > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > resulting out of intersection of atma and mana

> along

> > > the

> > > > > > above

> > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > cycle.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > All grahas are important and no one is bad is my

> > > > > > > > > understanding.Except

> > > > > > > > > > Sun/Moon all others except chaya grahas are

capable

> > of

> > > > > > > producing

> > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Your views are respected too.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kind Regds

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I w'd like to do a correction, Sani can not

give

> > > > > Vairagya,

> > > > > > > It's

> > > > > > > > > > > always the Moon afflicted by Sani.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There has been lots of mess regarding Sani in

> last

> > 25

> > > > > yrs,

> > > > > > > Sani

> > > > > > > > > > > though can indicate Karma but can never act

like

> > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > Guru.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There are a class of astrologers who started

> > > declaring

> > > > > Sani

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > benific as Guru, No, we are doing fundamental

> > mistake.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramanarayan ji Chandrashekhar ji and

other

> > > > > respected

> > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is really great to read the views

expressed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Due to lack of time ,i have been unable to

> share

> > my

> > > > > > > > > > understatnding

> > > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > far, on what you have explained.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > As understood from the colour disc resulting

in

> > > white

> > > > > > > > > light,upon

> > > > > > > > > > > > rotation - your views on the stillness of

> > Nataraja

> > > as

> > > > > > > height

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > velocity is intutive and great.Thank you very

> > much

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > views.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly i assume height of velocity and

> supreme

> > > > > > > > concentration

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > two sides of the same coin.Srishti ,Sthithi

> > Samhara

> > > > may

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > correlated with the breath aspects that you

> have

> > > > > > explained.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Due to HIS blessing and blessing of

Gurus ,the

> > > > concept

> > > > > > > > > explained

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > unfolding in front of humble souls like me -

> > > Samhara

> > > > > > > Moorthi

> > > > > > > > > > > engaging

> > > > > > > > > > > > in Tandava,as height of velocity.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Guru as progression of atma and Sani as

> > progression

> > > > of

> > > > > > mana

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > intutive too.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The teaching and experiments that one has to

> > > undergo

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > Sani

> > > > > > > > > > > > maharaja is definitely a check on mind- the

> > > dwindling

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > restriction

> > > > > > > > > > > > of reflective identity - a means for mukthi

> from

> > > the

> > > > > > > clutches

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > TIME.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly Guru the expansive element- the

> karaka

> > > for

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > expansion

> > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > blossoming of aakasha padma - is a

progression

> of

> > > > atma

> > > > > > > tattwa

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > have kindly explained.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Makara the Karma Mandala and

material/practical

> > > > canvas

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope is ruled by Sani.The expansion

> > indicated

> > > by

> > > > > > Guru

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > confined to or restricted by the realms of

> > > TIME.Thus

> > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > > > > that Guru has to feel debilitated in this

> > Kshethra.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > However the very Sani is also responsible for

> > > > > restriction

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > mana.Sani or manda, moving at a slow pace

keeps

> a

> > > > > record

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > karmas and rewards us with fruits,at a later

> > > > > > stage.Vairagya

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > infact

> > > > > > > > > > > > a check or self enforced restraint on Mana.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is also intersting to note the exaltation

of

> > > Guru

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Kshethra

> > > > > > > > > > > > of Mana.Mana and the Mayaloka has no

> limits.Guru

> > is

> > > > > thus

> > > > > > > > happy

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > such an environment.Interestingly from

another

> > > angle

> > > > > Mana

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > assimilate with satwika tattwa,with no

> awareness

> > or

> > > > > > > identity

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > time at all.This may be the ajapa that you

are

> > > > > referring

> > > > > > > > to.The

> > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > is not there if there is no thought and the

> world

> > > is

> > > > as

> > > > > > far

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > wide, as one's thoughts can go.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I hope i have not corrupted your

> > > understanding.Kindly

> > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Happy Maha Sivarathri.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Respect and Seeking your blessings

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sree88ganesha "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive your mail.

i

> am

> > > > happy

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > deep interest in the subject. i am just

back

> > from

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > > schedule.

> > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be away for a few more days - Siva Ratri is

> > round

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > corner.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > i feel that every pravesha has a definite

> > > > > > significance.

> > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mean that i am trying to belittle the

thithi

> > > > pravesha

> > > > > > > > theory.

> > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > > > > go into this later.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > i just came across our respected

> > > Chandrasekharji's

> > > > > > > > > observation

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > connection with exaltation and debilitation

> of

> > > > > grahas.

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > through others observation. i am sorry for

> > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me take up one by one. You can stop me

> when

> > > > > you/the

> > > > > > > > group

> > > > > > > > > > > feels

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this is boring.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir P.S. RamNarain Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar, Hope u r fine there and doing

> > well,

> > > > From

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Group

> > > > > > > > > > > > side, We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > are expecting u to complete ur

interesting

> > > > article

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > > rahu

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation in which u indicated Kurma

> > Avtaar's

> > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > undestanding the exaltation theories.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. find some time for our sake, I w'd

> also

> > > > > request

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > throw

> > > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > light on significations of Tithi Pravesha

> > > charts,

> > > > a

> > > > > > sr.

> > > > > > > > > > member

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > group has requested for that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Saji,

 

Just added ... have sent u in a mail also.

 

Any face reading ?

 

 

 

regards,

Lalit

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji Bhaskaran "

<saajik wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> No photos? Even you didnt add your photo :-)

>

> Best regards,

>

> Saaji Bhaskaran

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Saji,

> >

> > May be in next birth Swami Chandrashekarandra Saraswati will

> realize

> > the relation between the self and god supreme, that what he had

> > studied in the texts, all knowledge that he aquired by this

life's

> > austerity has to turn to his self experience.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

Bhaskaran "

> > <saajik@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > <<

> > > > have u met any sanaasi reach to God ruled by Mars or Venus or

> > So ?

> > > > Pls. share with us.

> > > >>

> > >

> > > No I havent met any sanyaasi. My so called experiences are on

> > charts

> > > of Swamis, like Ammachi, Swami Chandrashekarandra Saraswati

> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrashekarendra_Saraswati etc;

> > > available.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Saaji Bhaskaran

> > >

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Saji,

> > > >

> > > > There is a deviation from the discussion started, we will

come

> > back

> > > > to the point just before the deviation.

> > > >

> > > > I m curious to know abt your experiece, That w'd be

interesting.

> > > >

> > > > " But I believe in this and its my experience also "

> > > >

> > > > have u met any sanaasi reach to God ruled by Mars or Venus or

> > So ?

> > > > Pls. share with us.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit..

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

> > Bhaskaran "

> > > > <saajik@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > " Can u tell me who has done this classification, it's

wrong

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > scratch. It's all imagination. "

> > > > >

> > > > > I dont know who started this. Some are from time

immemorial.

> > But

> > > I

> > > > > believe in this and its my experience also. May be in

> > complicated

> > > > > cases I may not be able to differentiate things but I will

> > > > attribute

> > > > > this to lack of my ability and other influences in a

> horoscope.

> > > > >

> > > > > <<

> > > > > > Jivaka or Avdhoota or whatsoever are mere organisations

> > > > > > (sampradayas), it has nothing to do with either vairagya

or

> > > > sanyaas

> > > > > > or astrology. Like i begin a movement and my followers

make

> a

> > > > > > sampradaya and then after some 100 yrs somebody starts

> saying

> > > > > > follower of my sampradaya are ruled by Ketu ... it's

wrong,

> > no

> > > > > > substance.

> > > > > >>

> > > > >

> > > > > The very fact that ancient rishis and later on learned ones

> > able

> > > to

> > > > > attribute everything on 9 planets and 12 houses and their

> > > > > combinations make everything seen by astrology. Thats why

> this

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > divine science !

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Saaji Bhaskaran

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Saji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can u tell me who has done this classification, it's

wrong

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > scratch. It's all imagination.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ps. try to understand sanyas or vairagya is

individualistic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jivaka or Avdhoota or whatsoever are mere organisations

> > > > > > (sampradayas), it has nothing to do with either vairagya

or

> > > > sanyaas

> > > > > > or astrology. Like i begin a movement and my followers

make

> a

> > > > > > sampradaya and then after some 100 yrs somebody starts

> saying

> > > > > > follower of my sampradaya are ruled by Ketu ... it's

wrong,

> > no

> > > > > > substance.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

> > > > Bhaskaran "

> > > > > > <saajik@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Each planet denotes a kind of sanyasi. Not Shani or

Guru

> > > alone.

> > > > I

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > seperating the quality of shani from others. Mars also

> > denote

> > > a

> > > > > > > sanyasi if my memory serves me right, sAkhyA, now try

to

> > > learn

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > this mean. Guru I think denotes a 'jIvaka' state. The

> state

> > > of

> > > > > > shani

> > > > > > > is avadhUta. A person becomes the kind of sanyasi

> > represented

> > > > by

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > strongest planet.You mean to say in all these cases,

its

> > > Guru's

> > > > > > > influence?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saaji Bhaskaran

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > No Saji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Strong guru is available in 5'th house of Bhagwan Sri

> > > > > Ramkrishna

> > > > > > > > Paramhansha's chart, and if i m not wrong, it's also

> > > > available

> > > > > > > either

> > > > > > > > in Maata Aaanadmai or Yogananda's chart...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sani attaches one's mind to austerity, only to

> austerity

> > > > before

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > meets the omnipresent all pervading God.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > they stick to what they have opted for .. this is not

> the

> > > > > > sanyaas,

> > > > > > > > they are in transformation stage and not the

> transformed,

> > > > Sani

> > > > > > > stops

> > > > > > > > u this point only, where Sani ends, Guru begins.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

> > > > > > Bhaskaran "

> > > > > > > > <saajik@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " the reduction gives u strong attachment,

attachment

> to

> > > > > > > > > > the state u have reached to, "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is the point I wanted to convey with the state

> of

> > > > > > pravrajya

> > > > > > > > > Shani gives.The strong attachment only to the state

> one

> > > > > reached

> > > > > > > > > nothing else but God, the imperishable brahman. No

> > > interest

> > > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > else but brahman. brahman and brahman alone.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Sani's aspect on Moon plus an active/powerful

> > > > > > > > > > Guru is required in one's chart to make him true

> > > vairagi

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > > sanyasi. " . I wont say " Required " , I will say " It

> can " .

> > I

> > > > can

> > > > > > > > > recollect a horo just once seen, and I know your

horo.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I dont agree with what you want to convey. But its

> > fine.

> > > > > Let's

> > > > > > > > agree

> > > > > > > > > to disagree.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Saaji Bhasakran

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Saji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sani is a planet for contraction, it gives u urge

> to

> > > > reduce

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > 5

> > > > > > > > > > bhutas or 5 elements, hitherto it's right, I also

> > agree

> > > > to

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > what u say -

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " with minimum or no dress, high austerity, and

food

> > > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > minimum

> > > > > > > > > > to keep the life active, and there will be no

> > > difference

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > religion

> > > > > > > > > > for him or just to put no difference in literally

> > > > anything "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But let's move further from this point to

> understand

> > > the

> > > > > > > vairagya

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > sani's play. the reduction gives u strong

> attachment,

> > > > > > > attachment

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > the state u have reached to, they are firmly

> bounded

> > to

> > > > > > > > austerity,

> > > > > > > > > > attached to loose the luxury ... they are wrong,

> > > > completely

> > > > > > > > wrong,

> > > > > > > > > > caught up in one state of mind, I have met dozens

> of

> > > such

> > > > > > > > vairagis

> > > > > > > > > > and tried to open up their mind, it was very

> > difficult

> > > > coz

> > > > > > > saturn

> > > > > > > > > > grips them stronger then the Favicol.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vairagya is when u have no attachment to any

thing

> > > > whether

> > > > > > it's

> > > > > > > > > > glamour or whether it's sanyas or austerity.pls.

> > > > understand

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > vairagya defined by Guru Gorakhnath, he said

> vairagya

> > > is

> > > > a

> > > > > > > state

> > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > one's mind is not attached to any thing, he says -

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Aaage ho tiriya hazaar aur raaj samman, pichhe

ho

> > > dhnui

> > > > > > alakh

> > > > > > > > > > niranjan ...... " , One has to remain unattached

> > > (Vairagya

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > not involved even in Vairagya), it needs wisdom,

> such

> > a

> > > > > > wisdom

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > unknown to Sani, So Sani's aspect on Moon plus an

> > > > > > > > active/powerful

> > > > > > > > > > Guru is required in one's chart to make him true

> > > vairagi

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > sanyasi.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I dont know why people are getting confused,

there

> is

> > a

> > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > distinction between Guru and Sani, let's not

blurr

> > the

> > > > > > > > distinction.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

> > > > > > > > Bhaskaran "

> > > > > > > > > > <saajik@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep & Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > For me, Sani is the karaka for vairagya. Take

the

> > > > example

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Pravrajya yoga, the very essence of pravrajya

is

> > > > leaving

> > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > and relatives. In the pravrajya yogas, if shani

> is

> > > the

> > > > > > karaka

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > reason will be atma vairagya, for Surya, its

> caused

> > > by

> > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > like wise. For me, atma vairagya is the highest

> > sort.

> > > > If

> > > > > > > Shani

> > > > > > > > > > > results in Pravrajya yoga, then one will be a

> > parama

> > > > > > jnaani,

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > interest in Upanishads and paramaatman and the

> > means

> > > > > also,

> > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > > vairagya will be the highest sort, with minimum

> or

> > no

> > > > > > dress,

> > > > > > > > high

> > > > > > > > > > > austerity, and food will be minimum to keep the

> > life

> > > > > > active,

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > there will be no difference in religion for him

> or

> > > just

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > put

> > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > difference in literally anything. If you

compare

> > the

> > > > sect

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > sanyasis

> > > > > > > > > > > that result from each planet, you will get an

> idea

> > of

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > > Shani

> > > > > > > > > > > stands for!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Guru ofcourse is the karaka for jnaana but we

> > should

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > interchange

> > > > > > > > > > > jnaana with knowledge. Mercury stands for

> > > > > > learning/knowledge

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > intelligence. Unless other factors are not

> > > supportive,

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > `jnaana'

> > > > > > > > > > > is this by Guru, with which one can not control

> > mind

> > > > and

> > > > > > ego

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > final fall becomes inevitable ? Here is where

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > point of `Guru the principle and Guru the

> planet' ,

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > others

> > > > > > > > > > keep

> > > > > > > > > > > a close eye as their agenda is just opposite.

> > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Saaji Bhaskaran

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your views.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ofcourse as you have said,the effect has to

> > finally

> > > > > fall

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > mind/perceptional medium for 'us' to realize.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pravarjya Yogas extensively talk about Saturn

> and

> > > > Mars

> > > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > multiple planetary combinations.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > As you are aware of, Sani is the Karaka for

old

> > age

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > diseases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > (Restrictive effect of Time on kshara tattwa

as

> > > > > compared

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > akshara).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The time elapsation and cycle of material

> > > entry/exit

> > > > > > > > > > points,results

> > > > > > > > > > > > from attachment.As Shani is Ravi Putra,it is

> > > pointing

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > continuation/result of our own karma.When

Ravi

> is

> > > > able

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > realize

> > > > > > > > > > > > this in full,time has no more role to

play.Thus

> > > Sani

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > having

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > role

> > > > > > > > > > > > in developing Viaragya,by reminding ''us''

> about

> > > our

> > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > acts/past.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jivatmas poorva punya is expansion in the

> > immortal

> > > > > > > > > direction.This

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > the blessing of Guru.When we are prepared to

> > learn

> > > we

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > showered with more knowledge.This is the

> > expansive

> > > > > > > influence

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > > resulting in Jnana Sampath.If we want to

remain

> > in

> > > > > > > reflective

> > > > > > > > > > > > identity,Sani will teach us about the

> > > > > restrictive/mortal

> > > > > > > > > > > nature.Thus

> > > > > > > > > > > > it is a cycle.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Going by ''Sanivad Rahu'' - Rahu is the

> > invisible

> > > > time

> > > > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > > > > resulting out of intersection of atma and

mana

> > > along

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > above

> > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > cycle.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > All grahas are important and no one is bad is

> my

> > > > > > > > > > > understanding.Except

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun/Moon all others except chaya grahas are

> > capable

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > producing

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Your views are respected too.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I w'd like to do a correction, Sani can not

> > give

> > > > > > > Vairagya,

> > > > > > > > > It's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > always the Moon afflicted by Sani.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There has been lots of mess regarding Sani

in

> > > last

> > > > 25

> > > > > > > yrs,

> > > > > > > > > Sani

> > > > > > > > > > > > > though can indicate Karma but can never act

> > like

> > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > Guru.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There are a class of astrologers who

started

> > > > > declaring

> > > > > > > Sani

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > benific as Guru, No, we are doing

fundamental

> > > > mistake.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramanarayan ji Chandrashekhar ji and

> > other

> > > > > > > respected

> > > > > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is really great to read the views

> > expressed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Due to lack of time ,i have been unable

to

> > > share

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > understatnding

> > > > > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > far, on what you have explained.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As understood from the colour disc

> resulting

> > in

> > > > > white

> > > > > > > > > > > light,upon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rotation - your views on the stillness of

> > > > Nataraja

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > height

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > velocity is intutive and great.Thank you

> very

> > > > much

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > views.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly i assume height of velocity and

> > > supreme

> > > > > > > > > > concentration

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > two sides of the same

coin.Srishti ,Sthithi

> > > > Samhara

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > correlated with the breath aspects that

you

> > > have

> > > > > > > > explained.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Due to HIS blessing and blessing of

> > Gurus ,the

> > > > > > concept

> > > > > > > > > > > explained

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfolding in front of humble souls like

me -

>

> > > > > Samhara

> > > > > > > > > Moorthi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > engaging

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Tandava,as height of velocity.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru as progression of atma and Sani as

> > > > progression

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > mana

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > intutive too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The teaching and experiments that one has

> to

> > > > > undergo

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Sani

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > maharaja is definitely a check on mind-

the

> > > > > dwindling

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > restriction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of reflective identity - a means for

mukthi

> > > from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > clutches

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > TIME.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly Guru the expansive element- the

> > > karaka

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > expansion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > blossoming of aakasha padma - is a

> > progression

> > > of

> > > > > > atma

> > > > > > > > > tattwa

> > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have kindly explained.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makara the Karma Mandala and

> > material/practical

> > > > > > canvas

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope is ruled by Sani.The expansion

> > > > indicated

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > Guru

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > confined to or restricted by the realms

of

> > > > > TIME.Thus

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Guru has to feel debilitated in this

> > > > Kshethra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > However the very Sani is also responsible

> for

> > > > > > > restriction

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mana.Sani or manda, moving at a slow pace

> > keeps

> > > a

> > > > > > > record

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmas and rewards us with fruits,at a

> later

> > > > > > > > stage.Vairagya

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > infact

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a check or self enforced restraint on

Mana.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is also intersting to note the

> exaltation

> > of

> > > > > Guru

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kshethra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Mana.Mana and the Mayaloka has no

> > > limits.Guru

> > > > is

> > > > > > > thus

> > > > > > > > > > happy

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > such an environment.Interestingly from

> > another

> > > > > angle

> > > > > > > Mana

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > assimilate with satwika tattwa,with no

> > > awareness

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > > identity

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > time at all.This may be the ajapa that

you

> > are

> > > > > > > referring

> > > > > > > > > > to.The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not there if there is no thought and

the

> > > world

> > > > > is

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > far

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide, as one's thoughts can go.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope i have not corrupted your

> > > > > understanding.Kindly

> > > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy Maha Sivarathri.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respect and Seeking your blessings

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sree88ganesha "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive your

> mail.

> > i

> > > am

> > > > > > happy

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep interest in the subject. i am just

> > back

> > > > from

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > schedule.

> > > > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be away for a few more days - Siva

Ratri

> is

> > > > round

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > corner.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i feel that every pravesha has a

definite

> > > > > > > > significance.

> > > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean that i am trying to belittle the

> > thithi

> > > > > > pravesha

> > > > > > > > > > theory.

> > > > > > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go into this later.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i just came across our respected

> > > > > Chandrasekharji's

> > > > > > > > > > > observation

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection with exaltation and

> debilitation

> > > of

> > > > > > > grahas.

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through others observation. i am sorry

> for

> > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me take up one by one. You can stop

> me

> > > when

> > > > > > > you/the

> > > > > > > > > > group

> > > > > > > > > > > > > feels

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is boring.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir P.S. RamNarain Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar, Hope u r fine there and

> doing

> > > > well,

> > > > > > From

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Group

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > side, We

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are expecting u to complete ur

> > interesting

> > > > > > article

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation in which u indicated Kurma

> > > > Avtaar's

> > > > > > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > undestanding the exaltation theories.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. find some time for our sake, I

w'd

> > > also

> > > > > > > request

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > throw

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light on significations of Tithi

> Pravesha

> > > > > charts,

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > sr.

> > > > > > > > > > > > member

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group has requested for that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit,

 

Saaji is right. there are different types of pravrajya given by

different grahas and from sage Parashara onwards many have given

identical type of pravrajyas for grahas. I think you should read the

pravrajya chapter in depth, so that you can find out this for yourself.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

litsol wrote:

 

 

Dear Saji,

 

There is a deviation from the discussion started, we will come back

to the point just before the deviation.

 

I m curious to know abt your experiece, That w'd be interesting.

 

"But I believe in this and its my experience also"

 

have u met any sanaasi reach to God ruled by Mars or Venus or So ?

Pls. share with us.

 

regards,

Lalit..

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"Saaji Bhaskaran"

<saajik wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> " Can u tell me who has done this classification, it's wrong from

the

> > scratch. It's all imagination. "

>

> I dont know who started this. Some are from time immemorial. But I

 

> believe in this and its my experience also. May be in complicated

> cases I may not be able to differentiate things but I will

attribute

> this to lack of my ability and other influences in a horoscope.

>

> <<

> > Jivaka or Avdhoota or whatsoever are mere organisations

> > (sampradayas), it has nothing to do with either vairagya

or

sanyaas

> > or astrology. Like i begin a movement and my followers make a

 

> > sampradaya and then after some 100 yrs somebody starts saying

 

> > follower of my sampradaya are ruled by Ketu ... it's wrong,

no

> > substance.

> >>

>

> The very fact that ancient rishis and later on learned ones able

to

> attribute everything on 9 planets and 12 houses and their

> combinations make everything seen by astrology. Thats why this is

the

> divine science !

>

> Best regards,

>

> Saaji Bhaskaran

>

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"litsol"

> <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Saji,

> >

> > Can u tell me who has done this classification, it's wrong

from

the

> > scratch. It's all imagination.

> >

> > Ps. try to understand sanyas or vairagya is individualistic.

> >

> > Jivaka or Avdhoota or whatsoever are mere organisations

> > (sampradayas), it has nothing to do with either vairagya

or

sanyaas

> > or astrology. Like i begin a movement and my followers make a

 

> > sampradaya and then after some 100 yrs somebody starts saying

 

> > follower of my sampradaya are ruled by Ketu ... it's wrong,

no

> > substance.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"Saaji

Bhaskaran"

> > <saajik@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > Each planet denotes a kind of sanyasi. Not Shani or Guru

alone.

I

> > was

> > > seperating the quality of shani from others. Mars also

denote a

> > > sanyasi if my memory serves me right, sAkhyA, now try to

learn

> what

> > > this mean. Guru I think denotes a 'jIvaka' state. The

state of

> > shani

> > > is avadhUta. A person becomes the kind of sanyasi

represented

by

> > the

> > > strongest planet.You mean to say in all these cases, its

Guru's

> > > influence?

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Saaji Bhaskaran

> > >

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"litsol"

> > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > No Saji,

> > > >

> > > > Strong guru is available in 5'th house of Bhagwan

Sri

> Ramkrishna

> > > > Paramhansha's chart, and if i m not wrong,

it's also

available

> > > either

> > > > in Maata Aaanadmai or Yogananda's chart...

> > > >

> > > > Sani attaches one's mind to austerity, only to

austerity

before

> > he

> > > > meets the omnipresent all pervading God.

> > > >

> > > > they stick to what they have opted for .. this is

not the

> > sanyaas,

> > > > they are in transformation stage and not the

transformed,

Sani

> > > stops

> > > > u this point only, where Sani ends, Guru begins.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"Saaji

> > Bhaskaran"

> > > > <saajik@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > "the reduction gives u strong attachment,

attachment to

> > > > > > the state u have reached to, "

> > > > >

> > > > > This is the point I wanted to convey with the

state of

> > pravrajya

> > > > > Shani gives.The strong attachment only to the

state one

> reached

> > > > > nothing else but God, the imperishable

brahman. No interest

> > > > anything

> > > > > else but brahman. brahman and brahman alone.

> > > > >

> > > > > "Sani's aspect on Moon plus an active/powerful

 

> > > > > > Guru is required in one's chart to make

him true vairagi

or

> > > > > sanyasi.". I wont say "Required", I will say

"It can". I

can

> > > > > recollect a horo just once seen, and I know

your horo.

> > > > >

> > > > > I dont agree with what you want to convey. But

its fine.

> Let's

> > > > agree

> > > > > to disagree.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Saaji Bhasakran

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"litsol"

> > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Saji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sani is a planet for contraction, it

gives u urge to

reduce

> > to

> > > 5

> > > > > > bhutas or 5 elements, hitherto it's

right, I also agree

to

> > you

> > > in

> > > > > > what u say -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "with minimum or no dress, high

austerity, and food will

be

> > > > minimum

> > > > > > to keep the life active, and there will

be no difference

in

> > > > > religion

> > > > > > for him or just to put no difference in

literally

anything"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But let's move further from this point to

understand the

> > > vairagya

> > > > > and

> > > > > > sani's play. the reduction gives u strong

attachment,

> > > attachment

> > > > to

> > > > > > the state u have reached to, they are

firmly bounded to

> > > > austerity,

> > > > > > attached to loose the luxury ... they are

wrong,

completely

> > > > wrong,

> > > > > > caught up in one state of mind, I have

met dozens of such

> > > > vairagis

> > > > > > and tried to open up their mind, it was

very difficult

coz

> > > saturn

> > > > > > grips them stronger then the Favicol.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vairagya is when u have no attachment to

any thing

whether

> > it's

> > > > > > glamour or whether it's sanyas or

austerity.pls.

understand

> > the

> > > > > > vairagya defined by Guru Gorakhnath, he

said vairagya is

a

> > > state

> > > > > when

> > > > > > one's mind is not attached to any thing,

he says -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "Aaage ho tiriya hazaar aur raaj samman,

pichhe ho dhnui

> > alakh

> > > > > > niranjan ...... ", One has to remain

unattached (Vairagya

> in

> > > both

> > > > > but

> > > > > > not involved even in Vairagya), it needs

wisdom, such a

> > wisdom

> > > is

> > > > > > unknown to Sani, So Sani's aspect on Moon

plus an

> > > > active/powerful

> > > > > > Guru is required in one's chart to make

him true vairagi

or

> > > > sanyasi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I dont know why people are getting

confused, there is a

> clear

> > > > > > distinction between Guru and Sani, let's

not blurr the

> > > > distinction.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"Saaji

> > > > Bhaskaran"

> > > > > > <saajik@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep & Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For me, Sani is the karaka for

vairagya. Take the

example

> > of

> > > > > > > Pravrajya yoga, the very essence of

pravrajya is

leaving

> > > one's

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > and relatives. In the pravrajya

yogas, if shani is the

> > karaka

> > > > the

> > > > > > > reason will be atma vairagya, for

Surya, its caused by

> > father

> > > > and

> > > > > > > like wise. For me, atma vairagya is

the highest sort.

If

> > > Shani

> > > > > > > results in Pravrajya yoga, then one

will be a parama

> > jnaani,

> > > > with

> > > > > > > interest in Upanishads and

paramaatman and the means

> also,

> > > see

> > > > > > > vairagya will be the highest sort,

with minimum or no

> > dress,

> > > > high

> > > > > > > austerity, and food will be minimum

to keep the life

> > active,

> > > > and

> > > > > > > there will be no difference in

religion for him or just

> to

> > > put

> > > > no

> > > > > > > difference in literally anything. If

you compare the

sect

> > of

> > > > > > sanyasis

> > > > > > > that result from each planet, you

will get an idea of

> what

> > > > Shani

> > > > > > > stands for!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Guru ofcourse is the karaka for

jnaana but we should

not

> > > > > > interchange

> > > > > > > jnaana with knowledge. Mercury

stands for

> > learning/knowledge

> > > > and

> > > > > > > intelligence. Unless other factors

are not supportive,

> what

> > > > > > `jnaana'

> > > > > > > is this by Guru, with which one can

not control mind

and

> > ego

> > > > and

> > > > > > > final fall becomes inevitable ? Here

is where

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > ji's

> > > > > > > point of `Guru the principle and

Guru the planet' ,

which

> > > > others

> > > > > > keep

> > > > > > > a close eye as their agenda is just

opposite.

> > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > Saaji Bhaskaran

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your

views.

> > > > > > > > Ofcourse as you have said,the

effect has to finally

> fall

> > on

> > > > > > > > mind/perceptional medium for

'us' to realize.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pravarjya Yogas extensively

talk about Saturn and

Mars

> > > apart

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > multiple planetary combinations.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As you are aware of, Sani is

the Karaka for old age

and

> > > > > diseases.

> > > > > > > > (Restrictive effect of Time on

kshara tattwa as

> compared

> > to

> > > > > > > akshara).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The time elapsation and cycle

of material entry/exit

> > > > > > points,results

> > > > > > > > from attachment.As Shani is

Ravi Putra,it is pointing

> to

> > > > > > > > continuation/result of our

own karma.When Ravi is

able

> to

> > > > > realize

> > > > > > > > this in full,time has no more

role to play.Thus Sani

is

> > > > having

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > role

> > > > > > > > in developing Viaragya,by

reminding ''us'' about our

> own

> > > > > > acts/past.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jivatmas poorva punya is

expansion in the immortal

> > > > > direction.This

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > the blessing of Guru.When we

are prepared to learn we

> > will

> > > be

> > > > > > > > showered with more

knowledge.This is the expansive

> > > influence

> > > > of

> > > > > > > Guru

> > > > > > > > resulting in Jnana Sampath.If

we want to remain in

> > > reflective

> > > > > > > > identity,Sani will teach us

about the

> restrictive/mortal

> > > > > > > nature.Thus

> > > > > > > > it is a cycle.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Going by ''Sanivad Rahu'' -

Rahu is the invisible

time

> > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > resulting out of intersection

of atma and mana along

> the

> > > > above

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > cycle.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > All grahas are important and no

one is bad is my

> > > > > > > understanding.Except

> > > > > > > > Sun/Moon all others except

chaya grahas are capable

of

> > > > > producing

> > > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yogas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your views are respected too.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kind Regds

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"litsol"

> > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I w'd like to do a

correction, Sani can not give

> > > Vairagya,

> > > > > It's

> > > > > > > > > always the Moon afflicted

by Sani.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There has been lots of

mess regarding Sani in last

25

> > > yrs,

> > > > > Sani

> > > > > > > > > though can indicate Karma

but can never act like

> > > spiritual

> > > > > Guru.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There are a class of

astrologers who started

> declaring

> > > Sani

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > benific as Guru, No, we

are doing fundamental

mistake.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramanarayan ji

Chandrashekhar ji and other

> > > respected

> > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is really great to

read the views expressed.

> > > > > > > > > > Due to lack of time

,i have been unable to share

my

> > > > > > > > understatnding

> > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > far, on what you have

explained.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As understood from

the colour disc resulting in

> white

> > > > > > > light,upon

> > > > > > > > > > rotation - your views

on the stillness of

Nataraja

> as

> > > > > height

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > velocity is intutive

and great.Thank you very

much

> > for

> > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > views.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Similarly i assume

height of velocity and supreme

> > > > > > concentration

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > two sides of the same

coin.Srishti ,Sthithi

Samhara

> > may

> > > > > also

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > correlated with the

breath aspects that you have

> > > > explained.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Due to HIS blessing

and blessing of Gurus ,the

> > concept

> > > > > > > explained

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > unfolding in front of

humble souls like me -

> Samhara

> > > > > Moorthi

> > > > > > > > > engaging

> > > > > > > > > > in Tandava,as height

of velocity.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Guru as progression

of atma and Sani as

progression

> > of

> > > > mana

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > intutive too.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The teaching and

experiments that one has to

> undergo

> > > from

> > > > > > Sani

> > > > > > > > > > maharaja is

definitely a check on mind- the

> dwindling

> > > or

> > > > > > > > > restriction

> > > > > > > > > > of reflective

identity - a means for mukthi from

> the

> > > > > clutches

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > TIME.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Similarly Guru the

expansive element- the karaka

> for

> > > the

> > > > > > > > expansion

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > blossoming of aakasha

padma - is a progression of

> > atma

> > > > > tattwa

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > have kindly explained.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Makara the Karma

Mandala and material/practical

> > canvas

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > > horoscope is ruled by

Sani.The expansion

indicated

> by

> > > > Guru

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > confined to or

restricted by the realms of

> TIME.Thus

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > > that Guru has to feel

debilitated in this

Kshethra.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > However the very Sani

is also responsible for

> > > restriction

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > mana.Sani or manda,

moving at a slow pace keeps a

> > > record

> > > > of

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > karmas and rewards us

with fruits,at a later

> > > > stage.Vairagya

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > infact

> > > > > > > > > > a check or self

enforced restraint on Mana.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is also intersting

to note the exaltation of

> Guru

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Kshethra

> > > > > > > > > > of Mana.Mana and the

Mayaloka has no limits.Guru

is

> > > thus

> > > > > > happy

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > such an environment.Interestingly

from another

> angle

> > > Mana

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > assimilate with

satwika tattwa,with no awareness

or

> > > > > identity

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > time at all.This may

be the ajapa that you are

> > > referring

> > > > > > to.The

> > > > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > > > is not there if there

is no thought and the world

> is

> > as

> > > > far

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > wide, as one's

thoughts can go.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I hope i have not

corrupted your

> understanding.Kindly

> > > > > correct

> > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Happy Maha Sivarathri.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Respect and Seeking

your blessings

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"sree88ganesha"

> > > > > > > > > > <sree88ganesha@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > SARVAM

GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > > > > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit

Mishra ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. i am

happy to receive your mail. i am

> > happy

> > > > to

> > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > deep interest in

the subject. i am just back

from

> > my

> > > > > > > schedule.

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > > be away for a

few more days - Siva Ratri is

round

> > the

> > > > > > corner.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > i feel that

every pravesha has a definite

> > > > significance.

> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > mean that i am

trying to belittle the thithi

> > pravesha

> > > > > > theory.

> > > > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > > > go into this

later.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > i just came

across our respected

> Chandrasekharji's

> > > > > > > observation

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > connection with

exaltation and debilitation of

> > > grahas.

> > > > i

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > > > through others

observation. i am sorry for

that.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Let me take up

one by one. You can stop me when

> > > you/the

> > > > > > group

> > > > > > > > > feels

> > > > > > > > > > > this is boring.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically

& spiritually yours,

> > > > > > > > > > >

p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"litsol"

> > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir

P.S. RamNarain Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar,

Hope u r fine there and doing

well,

> > From

> > > > the

> > > > > > > Group

> > > > > > > > > > side, We

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

expecting u to complete ur interesting

> > article

> > > on

> > > > > > rahu

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation

in which u indicated Kurma

Avtaar's

> > > > > > > significations

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > >

undestanding the exaltation theories.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. find

some time for our sake, I w'd also

> > > request

> > > > > you

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > throw

> > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > light on

significations of Tithi Pravesha

> charts,

> > a

> > > > sr.

> > > > > > > > member

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > group has

requested for that.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Saaji

 

Well explained.Ammachi,Mata Amritanandamayi for example is having

Sasha Yoga.

 

The Janana for which Guru the planet is Karaka and the Jnana which

Guru the Principle embodies/represents, are in principle similar.

 

However as Chandrashekhar ji has rightly said one cannot blindly

equate Guru the principle with Guru the planet.

 

Guru is Deva Maantri as well and has to behave accordingly apart from

conforming to other significations.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

Bhaskaran " <saajik wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep & Lalit,

>

> For me, Sani is the karaka for vairagya. Take the example of

> Pravrajya yoga, the very essence of pravrajya is leaving one's

house

> and relatives. In the pravrajya yogas, if shani is the karaka the

> reason will be atma vairagya, for Surya, its caused by father and

> like wise. For me, atma vairagya is the highest sort. If Shani

> results in Pravrajya yoga, then one will be a parama jnaani, with

> interest in Upanishads and paramaatman and the means also, see

> vairagya will be the highest sort, with minimum or no dress, high

> austerity, and food will be minimum to keep the life active, and

> there will be no difference in religion for him or just to put no

> difference in literally anything. If you compare the sect of

sanyasis

> that result from each planet, you will get an idea of what Shani

> stands for!

>

> Guru ofcourse is the karaka for jnaana but we should not

interchange

> jnaana with knowledge. Mercury stands for learning/knowledge and

> intelligence. Unless other factors are not supportive, what

`jnaana'

> is this by Guru, with which one can not control mind and ego and

> final fall becomes inevitable ? Here is where Chandrashekhar ji's

> point of `Guru the principle and Guru the planet' , which others

keep

> a close eye as their agenda is just opposite.

> Best regards,

> Saaji Bhaskaran

>

>

>

> --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Lalit

> >

> > Thank you for sharing your views.

> > Ofcourse as you have said,the effect has to finally fall on

> > mind/perceptional medium for 'us' to realize.

> >

> > Pravarjya Yogas extensively talk about Saturn and Mars apart from

> > multiple planetary combinations.

> >

> > As you are aware of, Sani is the Karaka for old age and diseases.

> > (Restrictive effect of Time on kshara tattwa as compared to

> akshara).

> >

> > The time elapsation and cycle of material entry/exit

points,results

> > from attachment.As Shani is Ravi Putra,it is pointing to

> > continuation/result of our own karma.When Ravi is able to realize

> > this in full,time has no more role to play.Thus Sani is having a

> role

> > in developing Viaragya,by reminding ''us'' about our own

acts/past.

> >

> > Jivatmas poorva punya is expansion in the immortal direction.This

> is

> > the blessing of Guru.When we are prepared to learn we will be

> > showered with more knowledge.This is the expansive influence of

> Guru

> > resulting in Jnana Sampath.If we want to remain in reflective

> > identity,Sani will teach us about the restrictive/mortal

> nature.Thus

> > it is a cycle.

> >

> > Going by ''Sanivad Rahu'' - Rahu is the invisible time principle

> > resulting out of intersection of atma and mana along the above

said

> > cycle.

> >

> > All grahas are important and no one is bad is my

> understanding.Except

> > Sun/Moon all others except chaya grahas are capable of producing

> > Mahapurusha Yogas.

> >

> > Your views are respected too.

> >

> > Kind Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Pradeep,

> > >

> > > I w'd like to do a correction, Sani can not give Vairagya, It's

> > > always the Moon afflicted by Sani.

> > >

> > > There has been lots of mess regarding Sani in last 25 yrs, Sani

> > > though can indicate Karma but can never act like spiritual Guru.

> > >

> > > There are a class of astrologers who started declaring Sani as

> > > benific as Guru, No, we are doing fundamental mistake.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ramanarayan ji Chandrashekhar ji and other respected

> members

> > > >

> > > > It is really great to read the views expressed.

> > > > Due to lack of time ,i have been unable to share my

> > understatnding

> > > so

> > > > far, on what you have explained.

> > > >

> > > > As understood from the colour disc resulting in white

> light,upon

> > > > rotation - your views on the stillness of Nataraja as height

of

> > > > velocity is intutive and great.Thank you very much for

sharing

> > your

> > > > views.

> > > >

> > > > Similarly i assume height of velocity and supreme

concentration

> > are

> > > > two sides of the same coin.Srishti ,Sthithi Samhara may also

be

> > > > correlated with the breath aspects that you have explained.

> > > >

> > > > Due to HIS blessing and blessing of Gurus ,the concept

> explained

> > is

> > > > unfolding in front of humble souls like me - Samhara Moorthi

> > > engaging

> > > > in Tandava,as height of velocity.

> > > >

> > > > Guru as progression of atma and Sani as progression of mana

is

> > > > intutive too.

> > > >

> > > > The teaching and experiments that one has to undergo from

Sani

> > > > maharaja is definitely a check on mind- the dwindling or

> > > restriction

> > > > of reflective identity - a means for mukthi from the clutches

> of

> > > TIME.

> > > >

> > > > Similarly Guru the expansive element- the karaka for the

> > expansion

> > > or

> > > > blossoming of aakasha padma - is a progression of atma tattwa

> as

> > > you

> > > > have kindly explained.

> > > >

> > > > Makara the Karma Mandala and material/practical canvas in the

> > > natural

> > > > horoscope is ruled by Sani.The expansion indicated by Guru is

> not

> > > > confined to or restricted by the realms of TIME.Thus it is

> > natural

> > > > that Guru has to feel debilitated in this Kshethra.

> > > >

> > > > However the very Sani is also responsible for restriction of

> > > > mana.Sani or manda, moving at a slow pace keeps a record of

our

> > > > karmas and rewards us with fruits,at a later stage.Vairagya

is

> > > infact

> > > > a check or self enforced restraint on Mana.

> > > >

> > > > It is also intersting to note the exaltation of Guru in the

> > > Kshethra

> > > > of Mana.Mana and the Mayaloka has no limits.Guru is thus

happy

> > with

> > > > such an environment.Interestingly from another angle Mana can

> > > > assimilate with satwika tattwa,with no awareness or identity

> with

> > > > time at all.This may be the ajapa that you are referring

to.The

> > > world

> > > > is not there if there is no thought and the world is as far

and

> > as

> > > > wide, as one's thoughts can go.

> > > >

> > > > I hope i have not corrupted your understanding.Kindly correct

> me.

> > > >

> > > > Happy Maha Sivarathri.

> > > >

> > > > Respect and Seeking your blessings

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sree88ganesha "

> > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive your mail. i am happy to

note

> > your

> > > > > deep interest in the subject. i am just back from my

> schedule.

> > i

> > > > shall

> > > > > be away for a few more days - Siva Ratri is round the

corner.

> > > > >

> > > > > i feel that every pravesha has a definite significance.

This

> > > does

> > > > not

> > > > > mean that i am trying to belittle the thithi pravesha

theory.

> > We

> > > > shall

> > > > > go into this later.

> > > > >

> > > > > i just came across our respected Chandrasekharji's

> observation

> > in

> > > > > connection with exaltation and debilitation of grahas. i

have

> > not

> > > > gone

> > > > > through others observation. i am sorry for that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let me take up one by one. You can stop me when you/the

group

> > > feels

> > > > > this is boring.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes.

> > > > >

> > > > > May Mother Bless.

> > > > >

> > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir P.S. RamNarain Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaskaar, Hope u r fine there and doing well, From the

> Group

> > > > side, We

> > > > > > are expecting u to complete ur interesting article on

rahu

> > and

> > > > > > exaltation in which u indicated Kurma Avtaar's

> significations

> > > for

> > > > > > undestanding the exaltation theories.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls. find some time for our sake, I w'd also request you

to

> > > throw

> > > > some

> > > > > > light on significations of Tithi Pravesha charts, a sr.

> > member

> > > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > group has requested for that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep,

 

I am not an authority to go against classics. Guru is the biggest

planet, and it represents all best things.No one will object

this.Guru is the karaka for wisdom, the karaka for pUrva puNya.

Prashna Marga says Guru denotes sarvEshvara, and if Guru is

favourable thats enough. In prashna I have seen daivajnAs predict

auspicious results with the position of Guru.

 

But I question, whether a good position of Guru is enough for a good

life or say 'wisdom'? I have come across many horos where Guru is

powerful, yet the person is a criminal. I started working on a

balanced view when I faced a severe jolt in my prediction given to a

colleague in 2004. He had Guru® in 7th in swakshetra from Ge

Asc.Relying on the dictum of 7th house Guru denotes a chaste wife

from a well-to-do family, I gave my prediction of good results with

happiness from wife, increase in help from higher ups (10th lord in

the 10th therefrom and 7th lord in the 7th), promotion and so on and

so forth. Actual results where the worst which I couldnt even

imagine. The lady got a job as soon as he started his Guru dasha and

had an illicit relation(physical) with her colleague which though

continued for a short time, everyone knew and throughout his Guru

antar dasha, he was in alchoholism and his life was a mere existence.

But he got a promotion eventhough his performance was not good

enough. One may say that I missed kendradhipatya dosha of Guru or

Guru is retro or its the 7th lordship ie, maraka. Whatever it may be,

my 'simple' predictions were right, but the best thing would have

been, if I could understand this part of the greatest difficulties on

personal side. That would be have been my strength to rise above a

mere, average astrologer.

 

Guru alone cant always protect. Its the overall strength of the horo

coupled with transits and factors which govern everything, even

jnana. For BV Raman had Guru in the 10th house and it protected him

in his predictions. He himself says its not just because of this, it

was his meditation, a principled life and sadhana. Can this

combination work on all others who have Guru in the 10th? If your

answer is 'yes' and if you can explain it, then I withdraw my

statements.

 

Best regards,

 

Saaji Bhaskaran

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Saaji

>

> Well explained.Ammachi,Mata Amritanandamayi for example is having

> Sasha Yoga.

>

> The Janana for which Guru the planet is Karaka and the Jnana which

> Guru the Principle embodies/represents, are in principle similar.

>

> However as Chandrashekhar ji has rightly said one cannot blindly

> equate Guru the principle with Guru the planet.

>

> Guru is Deva Maantri as well and has to behave accordingly apart

from

> conforming to other significations.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

>

>

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

> Bhaskaran " <saajik@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep & Lalit,

> >

> > For me, Sani is the karaka for vairagya. Take the example of

> > Pravrajya yoga, the very essence of pravrajya is leaving one's

> house

> > and relatives. In the pravrajya yogas, if shani is the karaka the

> > reason will be atma vairagya, for Surya, its caused by father and

> > like wise. For me, atma vairagya is the highest sort. If Shani

> > results in Pravrajya yoga, then one will be a parama jnaani, with

> > interest in Upanishads and paramaatman and the means also, see

> > vairagya will be the highest sort, with minimum or no dress, high

> > austerity, and food will be minimum to keep the life active, and

> > there will be no difference in religion for him or just to put no

> > difference in literally anything. If you compare the sect of

> sanyasis

> > that result from each planet, you will get an idea of what Shani

> > stands for!

> >

> > Guru ofcourse is the karaka for jnaana but we should not

> interchange

> > jnaana with knowledge. Mercury stands for learning/knowledge and

> > intelligence. Unless other factors are not supportive, what

> `jnaana'

> > is this by Guru, with which one can not control mind and ego and

> > final fall becomes inevitable ? Here is where Chandrashekhar ji's

> > point of `Guru the principle and Guru the planet' , which others

> keep

> > a close eye as their agenda is just opposite.

> > Best regards,

> > Saaji Bhaskaran

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Lalit

> > >

> > > Thank you for sharing your views.

> > > Ofcourse as you have said,the effect has to finally fall on

> > > mind/perceptional medium for 'us' to realize.

> > >

> > > Pravarjya Yogas extensively talk about Saturn and Mars apart

from

> > > multiple planetary combinations.

> > >

> > > As you are aware of, Sani is the Karaka for old age and

diseases.

> > > (Restrictive effect of Time on kshara tattwa as compared to

> > akshara).

> > >

> > > The time elapsation and cycle of material entry/exit

> points,results

> > > from attachment.As Shani is Ravi Putra,it is pointing to

> > > continuation/result of our own karma.When Ravi is able to

realize

> > > this in full,time has no more role to play.Thus Sani is having

a

> > role

> > > in developing Viaragya,by reminding ''us'' about our own

> acts/past.

> > >

> > > Jivatmas poorva punya is expansion in the immortal

direction.This

> > is

> > > the blessing of Guru.When we are prepared to learn we will be

> > > showered with more knowledge.This is the expansive influence of

> > Guru

> > > resulting in Jnana Sampath.If we want to remain in reflective

> > > identity,Sani will teach us about the restrictive/mortal

> > nature.Thus

> > > it is a cycle.

> > >

> > > Going by ''Sanivad Rahu'' - Rahu is the invisible time

principle

> > > resulting out of intersection of atma and mana along the above

> said

> > > cycle.

> > >

> > > All grahas are important and no one is bad is my

> > understanding.Except

> > > Sun/Moon all others except chaya grahas are capable of

producing

> > > Mahapurusha Yogas.

> > >

> > > Your views are respected too.

> > >

> > > Kind Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > I w'd like to do a correction, Sani can not give Vairagya,

It's

> > > > always the Moon afflicted by Sani.

> > > >

> > > > There has been lots of mess regarding Sani in last 25 yrs,

Sani

> > > > though can indicate Karma but can never act like spiritual

Guru.

> > > >

> > > > There are a class of astrologers who started declaring Sani

as

> > > > benific as Guru, No, we are doing fundamental mistake.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ramanarayan ji Chandrashekhar ji and other respected

> > members

> > > > >

> > > > > It is really great to read the views expressed.

> > > > > Due to lack of time ,i have been unable to share my

> > > understatnding

> > > > so

> > > > > far, on what you have explained.

> > > > >

> > > > > As understood from the colour disc resulting in white

> > light,upon

> > > > > rotation - your views on the stillness of Nataraja as

height

> of

> > > > > velocity is intutive and great.Thank you very much for

> sharing

> > > your

> > > > > views.

> > > > >

> > > > > Similarly i assume height of velocity and supreme

> concentration

> > > are

> > > > > two sides of the same coin.Srishti ,Sthithi Samhara may

also

> be

> > > > > correlated with the breath aspects that you have explained.

> > > > >

> > > > > Due to HIS blessing and blessing of Gurus ,the concept

> > explained

> > > is

> > > > > unfolding in front of humble souls like me - Samhara

Moorthi

> > > > engaging

> > > > > in Tandava,as height of velocity.

> > > > >

> > > > > Guru as progression of atma and Sani as progression of mana

> is

> > > > > intutive too.

> > > > >

> > > > > The teaching and experiments that one has to undergo from

> Sani

> > > > > maharaja is definitely a check on mind- the dwindling or

> > > > restriction

> > > > > of reflective identity - a means for mukthi from the

clutches

> > of

> > > > TIME.

> > > > >

> > > > > Similarly Guru the expansive element- the karaka for the

> > > expansion

> > > > or

> > > > > blossoming of aakasha padma - is a progression of atma

tattwa

> > as

> > > > you

> > > > > have kindly explained.

> > > > >

> > > > > Makara the Karma Mandala and material/practical canvas in

the

> > > > natural

> > > > > horoscope is ruled by Sani.The expansion indicated by Guru

is

> > not

> > > > > confined to or restricted by the realms of TIME.Thus it is

> > > natural

> > > > > that Guru has to feel debilitated in this Kshethra.

> > > > >

> > > > > However the very Sani is also responsible for restriction

of

> > > > > mana.Sani or manda, moving at a slow pace keeps a record of

> our

> > > > > karmas and rewards us with fruits,at a later stage.Vairagya

> is

> > > > infact

> > > > > a check or self enforced restraint on Mana.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is also intersting to note the exaltation of Guru in the

> > > > Kshethra

> > > > > of Mana.Mana and the Mayaloka has no limits.Guru is thus

> happy

> > > with

> > > > > such an environment.Interestingly from another angle Mana

can

> > > > > assimilate with satwika tattwa,with no awareness or

identity

> > with

> > > > > time at all.This may be the ajapa that you are referring

> to.The

> > > > world

> > > > > is not there if there is no thought and the world is as far

> and

> > > as

> > > > > wide, as one's thoughts can go.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope i have not corrupted your understanding.Kindly

correct

> > me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Happy Maha Sivarathri.

> > > > >

> > > > > Respect and Seeking your blessings

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sree88ganesha "

> > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive your mail. i am happy to

> note

> > > your

> > > > > > deep interest in the subject. i am just back from my

> > schedule.

> > > i

> > > > > shall

> > > > > > be away for a few more days - Siva Ratri is round the

> corner.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i feel that every pravesha has a definite significance.

> This

> > > > does

> > > > > not

> > > > > > mean that i am trying to belittle the thithi pravesha

> theory.

> > > We

> > > > > shall

> > > > > > go into this later.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i just came across our respected Chandrasekharji's

> > observation

> > > in

> > > > > > connection with exaltation and debilitation of grahas. i

> have

> > > not

> > > > > gone

> > > > > > through others observation. i am sorry for that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let me take up one by one. You can stop me when you/the

> group

> > > > feels

> > > > > > this is boring.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May Mother Bless.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir P.S. RamNarain Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaskaar, Hope u r fine there and doing well, From the

> > Group

> > > > > side, We

> > > > > > > are expecting u to complete ur interesting article on

> rahu

> > > and

> > > > > > > exaltation in which u indicated Kurma Avtaar's

> > significations

> > > > for

> > > > > > > undestanding the exaltation theories.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls. find some time for our sake, I w'd also request

you

> to

> > > > throw

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > light on significations of Tithi Pravesha charts, a sr.

> > > member

> > > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > group has requested for that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Saaji

 

I know that you have read more classics,more extensively than me.

 

Criminal tendencies etc depends on the way one is utilizing his

intelligence.

 

As Dridha drishti is among the synonymns of Guru,it points to the

dridha,shubha drishti of Guru,supporting the aspected bhavas.

 

Guru, is 'big' as you have said and thus the impact(experiments and

experiences)on the residing bhava will,also be high.

 

Chandrashekar ji speaks about the ''sthana bhrashta'' role of

Guru.Sthanas or bhavas points to various attachments/desires of a

jataka.

 

The case with your friend is similar.He will be tested with matters

regarding 7th bhava.But as you know the pushti of a bhava depends on

numerous factors.We may have to see the chart in full.

 

When a planet has directional strength,it is able to contribute fully

to jataka.

 

For example lagna feels happy about the influence of Venus and Moon

on the 4th(Mind-Home).Hence they have digbala on the 4th.

 

For material growth the atma or essence of a jataka should be ideally

on karma mandala and thus Surya(karaka for lagna) has digbala in the

10th.

 

Guru is the Karaka for wisdom and Budha for Budhi.These needs to

close to the Jataka for full benefit.Thus they have digbala in Lagna.

 

We would not love to see some one dominating us from the 7th.Thus as

far as lagna is concerned Sani has dig bala on the 7th.

 

These are my personal views and can be wrong.Summarising on the topic

of discussion,i agree that no single planet is sufficient enough to

judge a person.For eg if there are multiple strong planets,the jataka

will be inlfuenced strongly by all of them.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

 

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji Bhaskaran "

<saajik wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> I am not an authority to go against classics. Guru is the biggest

> planet, and it represents all best things.No one will object

> this.Guru is the karaka for wisdom, the karaka for pUrva puNya.

> Prashna Marga says Guru denotes sarvEshvara, and if Guru is

> favourable thats enough. In prashna I have seen daivajnAs predict

> auspicious results with the position of Guru.

>

> But I question, whether a good position of Guru is enough for a

good

> life or say 'wisdom'? I have come across many horos where Guru is

> powerful, yet the person is a criminal. I started working on a

> balanced view when I faced a severe jolt in my prediction given to

a

> colleague in 2004. He had Guru® in 7th in swakshetra from Ge

> Asc.Relying on the dictum of 7th house Guru denotes a chaste wife

> from a well-to-do family, I gave my prediction of good results with

> happiness from wife, increase in help from higher ups (10th lord in

> the 10th therefrom and 7th lord in the 7th), promotion and so on

and

> so forth. Actual results where the worst which I couldnt even

> imagine. The lady got a job as soon as he started his Guru dasha

and

> had an illicit relation(physical) with her colleague which though

> continued for a short time, everyone knew and throughout his Guru

> antar dasha, he was in alchoholism and his life was a mere

existence.

> But he got a promotion eventhough his performance was not good

> enough. One may say that I missed kendradhipatya dosha of Guru or

> Guru is retro or its the 7th lordship ie, maraka. Whatever it may

be,

> my 'simple' predictions were right, but the best thing would have

> been, if I could understand this part of the greatest difficulties

on

> personal side. That would be have been my strength to rise above a

> mere, average astrologer.

>

> Guru alone cant always protect. Its the overall strength of the

horo

> coupled with transits and factors which govern everything, even

> jnana. For BV Raman had Guru in the 10th house and it protected him

> in his predictions. He himself says its not just because of this,

it

> was his meditation, a principled life and sadhana. Can this

> combination work on all others who have Guru in the 10th? If your

> answer is 'yes' and if you can explain it, then I withdraw my

> statements.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Saaji Bhaskaran

>

--- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Saaji

> >

> > Well explained.Ammachi,Mata Amritanandamayi for example is having

> > Sasha Yoga.

> >

> > The Janana for which Guru the planet is Karaka and the Jnana

which

> > Guru the Principle embodies/represents, are in principle similar.

> >

> > However as Chandrashekhar ji has rightly said one cannot blindly

> > equate Guru the principle with Guru the planet.

> >

> > Guru is Deva Maantri as well and has to behave accordingly apart

> from

> > conforming to other significations.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

> > Bhaskaran " <saajik@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep & Lalit,

> > >

> > > For me, Sani is the karaka for vairagya. Take the example of

> > > Pravrajya yoga, the very essence of pravrajya is leaving one's

> > house

> > > and relatives. In the pravrajya yogas, if shani is the karaka

the

> > > reason will be atma vairagya, for Surya, its caused by father

and

> > > like wise. For me, atma vairagya is the highest sort. If Shani

> > > results in Pravrajya yoga, then one will be a parama jnaani,

with

> > > interest in Upanishads and paramaatman and the means also, see

> > > vairagya will be the highest sort, with minimum or no dress,

high

> > > austerity, and food will be minimum to keep the life active,

and

> > > there will be no difference in religion for him or just to put

no

> > > difference in literally anything. If you compare the sect of

> > sanyasis

> > > that result from each planet, you will get an idea of what

Shani

> > > stands for!

> > >

> > > Guru ofcourse is the karaka for jnaana but we should not

> > interchange

> > > jnaana with knowledge. Mercury stands for learning/knowledge

and

> > > intelligence. Unless other factors are not supportive, what

> > `jnaana'

> > > is this by Guru, with which one can not control mind and ego

and

> > > final fall becomes inevitable ? Here is where Chandrashekhar

ji's

> > > point of `Guru the principle and Guru the planet' , which

others

> > keep

> > > a close eye as their agenda is just opposite.

> > > Best regards,

> > > Saaji Bhaskaran

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Lalit

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for sharing your views.

> > > > Ofcourse as you have said,the effect has to finally fall on

> > > > mind/perceptional medium for 'us' to realize.

> > > >

> > > > Pravarjya Yogas extensively talk about Saturn and Mars apart

> from

> > > > multiple planetary combinations.

> > > >

> > > > As you are aware of, Sani is the Karaka for old age and

> diseases.

> > > > (Restrictive effect of Time on kshara tattwa as compared to

> > > akshara).

> > > >

> > > > The time elapsation and cycle of material entry/exit

> > points,results

> > > > from attachment.As Shani is Ravi Putra,it is pointing to

> > > > continuation/result of our own karma.When Ravi is able to

> realize

> > > > this in full,time has no more role to play.Thus Sani is

having

> a

> > > role

> > > > in developing Viaragya,by reminding ''us'' about our own

> > acts/past.

> > > >

> > > > Jivatmas poorva punya is expansion in the immortal

> direction.This

> > > is

> > > > the blessing of Guru.When we are prepared to learn we will be

> > > > showered with more knowledge.This is the expansive influence

of

> > > Guru

> > > > resulting in Jnana Sampath.If we want to remain in reflective

> > > > identity,Sani will teach us about the restrictive/mortal

> > > nature.Thus

> > > > it is a cycle.

> > > >

> > > > Going by ''Sanivad Rahu'' - Rahu is the invisible time

> principle

> > > > resulting out of intersection of atma and mana along the

above

> > said

> > > > cycle.

> > > >

> > > > All grahas are important and no one is bad is my

> > > understanding.Except

> > > > Sun/Moon all others except chaya grahas are capable of

> producing

> > > > Mahapurusha Yogas.

> > > >

> > > > Your views are respected too.

> > > >

> > > > Kind Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > I w'd like to do a correction, Sani can not give Vairagya,

> It's

> > > > > always the Moon afflicted by Sani.

> > > > >

> > > > > There has been lots of mess regarding Sani in last 25 yrs,

> Sani

> > > > > though can indicate Karma but can never act like spiritual

> Guru.

> > > > >

> > > > > There are a class of astrologers who started declaring Sani

> as

> > > > > benific as Guru, No, we are doing fundamental mistake.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ramanarayan ji Chandrashekhar ji and other respected

> > > members

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is really great to read the views expressed.

> > > > > > Due to lack of time ,i have been unable to share my

> > > > understatnding

> > > > > so

> > > > > > far, on what you have explained.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As understood from the colour disc resulting in white

> > > light,upon

> > > > > > rotation - your views on the stillness of Nataraja as

> height

> > of

> > > > > > velocity is intutive and great.Thank you very much for

> > sharing

> > > > your

> > > > > > views.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Similarly i assume height of velocity and supreme

> > concentration

> > > > are

> > > > > > two sides of the same coin.Srishti ,Sthithi Samhara may

> also

> > be

> > > > > > correlated with the breath aspects that you have

explained.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Due to HIS blessing and blessing of Gurus ,the concept

> > > explained

> > > > is

> > > > > > unfolding in front of humble souls like me - Samhara

> Moorthi

> > > > > engaging

> > > > > > in Tandava,as height of velocity.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Guru as progression of atma and Sani as progression of

mana

> > is

> > > > > > intutive too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The teaching and experiments that one has to undergo from

> > Sani

> > > > > > maharaja is definitely a check on mind- the dwindling or

> > > > > restriction

> > > > > > of reflective identity - a means for mukthi from the

> clutches

> > > of

> > > > > TIME.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Similarly Guru the expansive element- the karaka for the

> > > > expansion

> > > > > or

> > > > > > blossoming of aakasha padma - is a progression of atma

> tattwa

> > > as

> > > > > you

> > > > > > have kindly explained.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Makara the Karma Mandala and material/practical canvas in

> the

> > > > > natural

> > > > > > horoscope is ruled by Sani.The expansion indicated by

Guru

> is

> > > not

> > > > > > confined to or restricted by the realms of TIME.Thus it

is

> > > > natural

> > > > > > that Guru has to feel debilitated in this Kshethra.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However the very Sani is also responsible for restriction

> of

> > > > > > mana.Sani or manda, moving at a slow pace keeps a record

of

> > our

> > > > > > karmas and rewards us with fruits,at a later

stage.Vairagya

> > is

> > > > > infact

> > > > > > a check or self enforced restraint on Mana.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is also intersting to note the exaltation of Guru in

the

> > > > > Kshethra

> > > > > > of Mana.Mana and the Mayaloka has no limits.Guru is thus

> > happy

> > > > with

> > > > > > such an environment.Interestingly from another angle Mana

> can

> > > > > > assimilate with satwika tattwa,with no awareness or

> identity

> > > with

> > > > > > time at all.This may be the ajapa that you are referring

> > to.The

> > > > > world

> > > > > > is not there if there is no thought and the world is as

far

> > and

> > > > as

> > > > > > wide, as one's thoughts can go.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope i have not corrupted your understanding.Kindly

> correct

> > > me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Happy Maha Sivarathri.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respect and Seeking your blessings

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sree88ganesha "

> > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive your mail. i am happy

to

> > note

> > > > your

> > > > > > > deep interest in the subject. i am just back from my

> > > schedule.

> > > > i

> > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > be away for a few more days - Siva Ratri is round the

> > corner.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i feel that every pravesha has a definite

significance.

> > This

> > > > > does

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > mean that i am trying to belittle the thithi pravesha

> > theory.

> > > > We

> > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > go into this later.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i just came across our respected Chandrasekharji's

> > > observation

> > > > in

> > > > > > > connection with exaltation and debilitation of grahas.

i

> > have

> > > > not

> > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > through others observation. i am sorry for that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let me take up one by one. You can stop me when you/the

> > group

> > > > > feels

> > > > > > > this is boring.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > May Mother Bless.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir P.S. RamNarain Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaskaar, Hope u r fine there and doing well, From

the

> > > Group

> > > > > > side, We

> > > > > > > > are expecting u to complete ur interesting article on

> > rahu

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > exaltation in which u indicated Kurma Avtaar's

> > > significations

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > undestanding the exaltation theories.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls. find some time for our sake, I w'd also request

> you

> > to

> > > > > throw

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > light on significations of Tithi Pravesha charts, a

sr.

> > > > member

> > > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > group has requested for that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep,

 

True, all depends on intelligence.

 

I have worked on this side of Guru when it can be bad but its not

something I can write an essay at this point of time and convince

others. I dont want either. There are sayings like 'sthana bhrashata

karoti jiva " . From the verse to analyse a bhava, we have to study

bhava, its lord and then comes karaka. here bhava lord is Guru

himself.I will send you the chart. If you see there are some famous

Guru people, who no one understands who they are in reality! They get

shelter because of their Guru. I dont want to go into these details

now.

 

Anyway I just realised that my ticket to India is for tomorrow night

not day after tomorrow's :-) My wife is complaing as we are not

prepared as I thought I can do most of it day after tomorrow.

 

Best regards,

 

Saaji Bhaskaran

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Saaji

>

> I know that you have read more classics,more extensively than me.

>

> Criminal tendencies etc depends on the way one is utilizing his

> intelligence.

>

> As Dridha drishti is among the synonymns of Guru,it points to the

> dridha,shubha drishti of Guru,supporting the aspected bhavas.

>

> Guru, is 'big' as you have said and thus the impact(experiments and

> experiences)on the residing bhava will,also be high.

>

> Chandrashekar ji speaks about the ''sthana bhrashta'' role of

> Guru.Sthanas or bhavas points to various attachments/desires of a

> jataka.

>

> The case with your friend is similar.He will be tested with matters

> regarding 7th bhava.But as you know the pushti of a bhava depends

on

> numerous factors.We may have to see the chart in full.

>

> When a planet has directional strength,it is able to contribute

fully

> to jataka.

>

> For example lagna feels happy about the influence of Venus and Moon

> on the 4th(Mind-Home).Hence they have digbala on the 4th.

>

> For material growth the atma or essence of a jataka should be

ideally

> on karma mandala and thus Surya(karaka for lagna) has digbala in

the

> 10th.

>

> Guru is the Karaka for wisdom and Budha for Budhi.These needs to

> close to the Jataka for full benefit.Thus they have digbala in

Lagna.

>

> We would not love to see some one dominating us from the 7th.Thus

as

> far as lagna is concerned Sani has dig bala on the 7th.

>

> These are my personal views and can be wrong.Summarising on the

topic

> of discussion,i agree that no single planet is sufficient enough to

> judge a person.For eg if there are multiple strong planets,the

jataka

> will be inlfuenced strongly by all of them.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

>

>

>

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji Bhaskaran "

> <saajik@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> >

> > I am not an authority to go against classics. Guru is the biggest

> > planet, and it represents all best things.No one will object

> > this.Guru is the karaka for wisdom, the karaka for pUrva puNya.

> > Prashna Marga says Guru denotes sarvEshvara, and if Guru is

> > favourable thats enough. In prashna I have seen daivajnAs predict

> > auspicious results with the position of Guru.

> >

> > But I question, whether a good position of Guru is enough for a

> good

> > life or say 'wisdom'? I have come across many horos where Guru is

> > powerful, yet the person is a criminal. I started working on a

> > balanced view when I faced a severe jolt in my prediction given

to

> a

> > colleague in 2004. He had Guru® in 7th in swakshetra from Ge

> > Asc.Relying on the dictum of 7th house Guru denotes a chaste wife

> > from a well-to-do family, I gave my prediction of good results

with

> > happiness from wife, increase in help from higher ups (10th lord

in

> > the 10th therefrom and 7th lord in the 7th), promotion and so on

> and

> > so forth. Actual results where the worst which I couldnt even

> > imagine. The lady got a job as soon as he started his Guru dasha

> and

> > had an illicit relation(physical) with her colleague which though

> > continued for a short time, everyone knew and throughout his Guru

> > antar dasha, he was in alchoholism and his life was a mere

> existence.

> > But he got a promotion eventhough his performance was not good

> > enough. One may say that I missed kendradhipatya dosha of Guru or

> > Guru is retro or its the 7th lordship ie, maraka. Whatever it may

> be,

> > my 'simple' predictions were right, but the best thing would have

> > been, if I could understand this part of the greatest

difficulties

> on

> > personal side. That would be have been my strength to rise above

a

> > mere, average astrologer.

> >

> > Guru alone cant always protect. Its the overall strength of the

> horo

> > coupled with transits and factors which govern everything, even

> > jnana. For BV Raman had Guru in the 10th house and it protected

him

> > in his predictions. He himself says its not just because of this,

> it

> > was his meditation, a principled life and sadhana. Can this

> > combination work on all others who have Guru in the 10th? If your

> > answer is 'yes' and if you can explain it, then I withdraw my

> > statements.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Saaji Bhaskaran

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Saaji

> > >

> > > Well explained.Ammachi,Mata Amritanandamayi for example is

having

> > > Sasha Yoga.

> > >

> > > The Janana for which Guru the planet is Karaka and the Jnana

> which

> > > Guru the Principle embodies/represents, are in principle

similar.

> > >

> > > However as Chandrashekhar ji has rightly said one cannot

blindly

> > > equate Guru the principle with Guru the planet.

> > >

> > > Guru is Deva Maantri as well and has to behave accordingly

apart

> > from

> > > conforming to other significations.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

> > > Bhaskaran " <saajik@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep & Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > For me, Sani is the karaka for vairagya. Take the example of

> > > > Pravrajya yoga, the very essence of pravrajya is leaving

one's

> > > house

> > > > and relatives. In the pravrajya yogas, if shani is the karaka

> the

> > > > reason will be atma vairagya, for Surya, its caused by father

> and

> > > > like wise. For me, atma vairagya is the highest sort. If

Shani

> > > > results in Pravrajya yoga, then one will be a parama jnaani,

> with

> > > > interest in Upanishads and paramaatman and the means also,

see

> > > > vairagya will be the highest sort, with minimum or no dress,

> high

> > > > austerity, and food will be minimum to keep the life active,

> and

> > > > there will be no difference in religion for him or just to

put

> no

> > > > difference in literally anything. If you compare the sect of

> > > sanyasis

> > > > that result from each planet, you will get an idea of what

> Shani

> > > > stands for!

> > > >

> > > > Guru ofcourse is the karaka for jnaana but we should not

> > > interchange

> > > > jnaana with knowledge. Mercury stands for learning/knowledge

> and

> > > > intelligence. Unless other factors are not supportive, what

> > > `jnaana'

> > > > is this by Guru, with which one can not control mind and ego

> and

> > > > final fall becomes inevitable ? Here is where Chandrashekhar

> ji's

> > > > point of `Guru the principle and Guru the planet' , which

> others

> > > keep

> > > > a close eye as their agenda is just opposite.

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Saaji Bhaskaran

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Lalit

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for sharing your views.

> > > > > Ofcourse as you have said,the effect has to finally fall on

> > > > > mind/perceptional medium for 'us' to realize.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pravarjya Yogas extensively talk about Saturn and Mars

apart

> > from

> > > > > multiple planetary combinations.

> > > > >

> > > > > As you are aware of, Sani is the Karaka for old age and

> > diseases.

> > > > > (Restrictive effect of Time on kshara tattwa as compared to

> > > > akshara).

> > > > >

> > > > > The time elapsation and cycle of material entry/exit

> > > points,results

> > > > > from attachment.As Shani is Ravi Putra,it is pointing to

> > > > > continuation/result of our own karma.When Ravi is able to

> > realize

> > > > > this in full,time has no more role to play.Thus Sani is

> having

> > a

> > > > role

> > > > > in developing Viaragya,by reminding ''us'' about our own

> > > acts/past.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jivatmas poorva punya is expansion in the immortal

> > direction.This

> > > > is

> > > > > the blessing of Guru.When we are prepared to learn we will

be

> > > > > showered with more knowledge.This is the expansive

influence

> of

> > > > Guru

> > > > > resulting in Jnana Sampath.If we want to remain in

reflective

> > > > > identity,Sani will teach us about the restrictive/mortal

> > > > nature.Thus

> > > > > it is a cycle.

> > > > >

> > > > > Going by ''Sanivad Rahu'' - Rahu is the invisible time

> > principle

> > > > > resulting out of intersection of atma and mana along the

> above

> > > said

> > > > > cycle.

> > > > >

> > > > > All grahas are important and no one is bad is my

> > > > understanding.Except

> > > > > Sun/Moon all others except chaya grahas are capable of

> > producing

> > > > > Mahapurusha Yogas.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your views are respected too.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kind Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr. Pradeep,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I w'd like to do a correction, Sani can not give

Vairagya,

> > It's

> > > > > > always the Moon afflicted by Sani.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There has been lots of mess regarding Sani in last 25

yrs,

> > Sani

> > > > > > though can indicate Karma but can never act like

spiritual

> > Guru.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are a class of astrologers who started declaring

Sani

> > as

> > > > > > benific as Guru, No, we are doing fundamental mistake.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > > >

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Ramanarayan ji Chandrashekhar ji and other

respected

> > > > members

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is really great to read the views expressed.

> > > > > > > Due to lack of time ,i have been unable to share my

> > > > > understatnding

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > far, on what you have explained.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As understood from the colour disc resulting in white

> > > > light,upon

> > > > > > > rotation - your views on the stillness of Nataraja as

> > height

> > > of

> > > > > > > velocity is intutive and great.Thank you very much for

> > > sharing

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > views.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Similarly i assume height of velocity and supreme

> > > concentration

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > two sides of the same coin.Srishti ,Sthithi Samhara may

> > also

> > > be

> > > > > > > correlated with the breath aspects that you have

> explained.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Due to HIS blessing and blessing of Gurus ,the concept

> > > > explained

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > unfolding in front of humble souls like me - Samhara

> > Moorthi

> > > > > > engaging

> > > > > > > in Tandava,as height of velocity.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Guru as progression of atma and Sani as progression of

> mana

> > > is

> > > > > > > intutive too.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The teaching and experiments that one has to undergo

from

> > > Sani

> > > > > > > maharaja is definitely a check on mind- the dwindling

or

> > > > > > restriction

> > > > > > > of reflective identity - a means for mukthi from the

> > clutches

> > > > of

> > > > > > TIME.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Similarly Guru the expansive element- the karaka for

the

> > > > > expansion

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > blossoming of aakasha padma - is a progression of atma

> > tattwa

> > > > as

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > have kindly explained.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Makara the Karma Mandala and material/practical canvas

in

> > the

> > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > horoscope is ruled by Sani.The expansion indicated by

> Guru

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > > confined to or restricted by the realms of TIME.Thus it

> is

> > > > > natural

> > > > > > > that Guru has to feel debilitated in this Kshethra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However the very Sani is also responsible for

restriction

> > of

> > > > > > > mana.Sani or manda, moving at a slow pace keeps a

record

> of

> > > our

> > > > > > > karmas and rewards us with fruits,at a later

> stage.Vairagya

> > > is

> > > > > > infact

> > > > > > > a check or self enforced restraint on Mana.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is also intersting to note the exaltation of Guru in

> the

> > > > > > Kshethra

> > > > > > > of Mana.Mana and the Mayaloka has no limits.Guru is

thus

> > > happy

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > such an environment.Interestingly from another angle

Mana

> > can

> > > > > > > assimilate with satwika tattwa,with no awareness or

> > identity

> > > > with

> > > > > > > time at all.This may be the ajapa that you are

referring

> > > to.The

> > > > > > world

> > > > > > > is not there if there is no thought and the world is as

> far

> > > and

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > wide, as one's thoughts can go.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope i have not corrupted your understanding.Kindly

> > correct

> > > > me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Happy Maha Sivarathri.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respect and Seeking your blessings

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sree88ganesha "

> > > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive your mail. i am happy

> to

> > > note

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > deep interest in the subject. i am just back from my

> > > > schedule.

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > be away for a few more days - Siva Ratri is round the

> > > corner.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i feel that every pravesha has a definite

> significance.

> > > This

> > > > > > does

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > mean that i am trying to belittle the thithi pravesha

> > > theory.

> > > > > We

> > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > go into this later.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i just came across our respected Chandrasekharji's

> > > > observation

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > connection with exaltation and debilitation of

grahas.

> i

> > > have

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > through others observation. i am sorry for that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let me take up one by one. You can stop me when

you/the

> > > group

> > > > > > feels

> > > > > > > > this is boring.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best wishes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > May Mother Bless.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir P.S. RamNarain Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaskaar, Hope u r fine there and doing well, From

> the

> > > > Group

> > > > > > > side, We

> > > > > > > > > are expecting u to complete ur interesting article

on

> > > rahu

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > exaltation in which u indicated Kurma Avtaar's

> > > > significations

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > undestanding the exaltation theories.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pls. find some time for our sake, I w'd also

request

> > you

> > > to

> > > > > > throw

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > light on significations of Tithi Pravesha charts, a

> sr.

> > > > > member

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > group has requested for that.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Saji,

 

Many places i have seen in the 7'th house Guru doesnt give good

results, and influence the person to have relation with somebody

else (what i understand is with a person having gurutwa, gravity in

any sense like power, position, education etc ) dependes on other

combos in the chart.

 

At least, melody of marriage is affected if Guru is in 7'th, We have

to find out the reasoning behind it.

 

regards,

Lalit

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji Bhaskaran "

<saajik wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> I am not an authority to go against classics. Guru is the biggest

> planet, and it represents all best things.No one will object

> this.Guru is the karaka for wisdom, the karaka for pUrva puNya.

> Prashna Marga says Guru denotes sarvEshvara, and if Guru is

> favourable thats enough. In prashna I have seen daivajnAs predict

> auspicious results with the position of Guru.

>

> But I question, whether a good position of Guru is enough for a

good

> life or say 'wisdom'? I have come across many horos where Guru is

> powerful, yet the person is a criminal. I started working on a

> balanced view when I faced a severe jolt in my prediction given to

a

> colleague in 2004. He had Guru® in 7th in swakshetra from Ge

> Asc.Relying on the dictum of 7th house Guru denotes a chaste wife

> from a well-to-do family, I gave my prediction of good results

with

> happiness from wife, increase in help from higher ups (10th lord

in

> the 10th therefrom and 7th lord in the 7th), promotion and so on

and

> so forth. Actual results where the worst which I couldnt even

> imagine. The lady got a job as soon as he started his Guru dasha

and

> had an illicit relation(physical) with her colleague which though

> continued for a short time, everyone knew and throughout his Guru

> antar dasha, he was in alchoholism and his life was a mere

existence.

> But he got a promotion eventhough his performance was not good

> enough. One may say that I missed kendradhipatya dosha of Guru or

> Guru is retro or its the 7th lordship ie, maraka. Whatever it may

be,

> my 'simple' predictions were right, but the best thing would have

> been, if I could understand this part of the greatest difficulties

on

> personal side. That would be have been my strength to rise above a

> mere, average astrologer.

>

> Guru alone cant always protect. Its the overall strength of the

horo

> coupled with transits and factors which govern everything, even

> jnana. For BV Raman had Guru in the 10th house and it protected

him

> in his predictions. He himself says its not just because of this,

it

> was his meditation, a principled life and sadhana. Can this

> combination work on all others who have Guru in the 10th? If your

> answer is 'yes' and if you can explain it, then I withdraw my

> statements.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Saaji Bhaskaran

>

--- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Saaji

> >

> > Well explained.Ammachi,Mata Amritanandamayi for example is

having

> > Sasha Yoga.

> >

> > The Janana for which Guru the planet is Karaka and the Jnana

which

> > Guru the Principle embodies/represents, are in principle similar.

> >

> > However as Chandrashekhar ji has rightly said one cannot blindly

> > equate Guru the principle with Guru the planet.

> >

> > Guru is Deva Maantri as well and has to behave accordingly apart

> from

> > conforming to other significations.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

> > Bhaskaran " <saajik@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep & Lalit,

> > >

> > > For me, Sani is the karaka for vairagya. Take the example of

> > > Pravrajya yoga, the very essence of pravrajya is leaving one's

> > house

> > > and relatives. In the pravrajya yogas, if shani is the karaka

the

> > > reason will be atma vairagya, for Surya, its caused by father

and

> > > like wise. For me, atma vairagya is the highest sort. If Shani

> > > results in Pravrajya yoga, then one will be a parama jnaani,

with

> > > interest in Upanishads and paramaatman and the means also, see

> > > vairagya will be the highest sort, with minimum or no dress,

high

> > > austerity, and food will be minimum to keep the life active,

and

> > > there will be no difference in religion for him or just to put

no

> > > difference in literally anything. If you compare the sect of

> > sanyasis

> > > that result from each planet, you will get an idea of what

Shani

> > > stands for!

> > >

> > > Guru ofcourse is the karaka for jnaana but we should not

> > interchange

> > > jnaana with knowledge. Mercury stands for learning/knowledge

and

> > > intelligence. Unless other factors are not supportive, what

> > `jnaana'

> > > is this by Guru, with which one can not control mind and ego

and

> > > final fall becomes inevitable ? Here is where Chandrashekhar

ji's

> > > point of `Guru the principle and Guru the planet' , which

others

> > keep

> > > a close eye as their agenda is just opposite.

> > > Best regards,

> > > Saaji Bhaskaran

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Lalit

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for sharing your views.

> > > > Ofcourse as you have said,the effect has to finally fall on

> > > > mind/perceptional medium for 'us' to realize.

> > > >

> > > > Pravarjya Yogas extensively talk about Saturn and Mars apart

> from

> > > > multiple planetary combinations.

> > > >

> > > > As you are aware of, Sani is the Karaka for old age and

> diseases.

> > > > (Restrictive effect of Time on kshara tattwa as compared to

> > > akshara).

> > > >

> > > > The time elapsation and cycle of material entry/exit

> > points,results

> > > > from attachment.As Shani is Ravi Putra,it is pointing to

> > > > continuation/result of our own karma.When Ravi is able to

> realize

> > > > this in full,time has no more role to play.Thus Sani is

having

> a

> > > role

> > > > in developing Viaragya,by reminding ''us'' about our own

> > acts/past.

> > > >

> > > > Jivatmas poorva punya is expansion in the immortal

> direction.This

> > > is

> > > > the blessing of Guru.When we are prepared to learn we will

be

> > > > showered with more knowledge.This is the expansive influence

of

> > > Guru

> > > > resulting in Jnana Sampath.If we want to remain in

reflective

> > > > identity,Sani will teach us about the restrictive/mortal

> > > nature.Thus

> > > > it is a cycle.

> > > >

> > > > Going by ''Sanivad Rahu'' - Rahu is the invisible time

> principle

> > > > resulting out of intersection of atma and mana along the

above

> > said

> > > > cycle.

> > > >

> > > > All grahas are important and no one is bad is my

> > > understanding.Except

> > > > Sun/Moon all others except chaya grahas are capable of

> producing

> > > > Mahapurusha Yogas.

> > > >

> > > > Your views are respected too.

> > > >

> > > > Kind Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > I w'd like to do a correction, Sani can not give Vairagya,

> It's

> > > > > always the Moon afflicted by Sani.

> > > > >

> > > > > There has been lots of mess regarding Sani in last 25 yrs,

> Sani

> > > > > though can indicate Karma but can never act like spiritual

> Guru.

> > > > >

> > > > > There are a class of astrologers who started declaring

Sani

> as

> > > > > benific as Guru, No, we are doing fundamental mistake.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > > >

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ramanarayan ji Chandrashekhar ji and other

respected

> > > members

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is really great to read the views expressed.

> > > > > > Due to lack of time ,i have been unable to share my

> > > > understatnding

> > > > > so

> > > > > > far, on what you have explained.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As understood from the colour disc resulting in white

> > > light,upon

> > > > > > rotation - your views on the stillness of Nataraja as

> height

> > of

> > > > > > velocity is intutive and great.Thank you very much for

> > sharing

> > > > your

> > > > > > views.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Similarly i assume height of velocity and supreme

> > concentration

> > > > are

> > > > > > two sides of the same coin.Srishti ,Sthithi Samhara may

> also

> > be

> > > > > > correlated with the breath aspects that you have

explained.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Due to HIS blessing and blessing of Gurus ,the concept

> > > explained

> > > > is

> > > > > > unfolding in front of humble souls like me - Samhara

> Moorthi

> > > > > engaging

> > > > > > in Tandava,as height of velocity.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Guru as progression of atma and Sani as progression of

mana

> > is

> > > > > > intutive too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The teaching and experiments that one has to undergo

from

> > Sani

> > > > > > maharaja is definitely a check on mind- the dwindling or

> > > > > restriction

> > > > > > of reflective identity - a means for mukthi from the

> clutches

> > > of

> > > > > TIME.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Similarly Guru the expansive element- the karaka for the

> > > > expansion

> > > > > or

> > > > > > blossoming of aakasha padma - is a progression of atma

> tattwa

> > > as

> > > > > you

> > > > > > have kindly explained.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Makara the Karma Mandala and material/practical canvas

in

> the

> > > > > natural

> > > > > > horoscope is ruled by Sani.The expansion indicated by

Guru

> is

> > > not

> > > > > > confined to or restricted by the realms of TIME.Thus it

is

> > > > natural

> > > > > > that Guru has to feel debilitated in this Kshethra.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However the very Sani is also responsible for

restriction

> of

> > > > > > mana.Sani or manda, moving at a slow pace keeps a record

of

> > our

> > > > > > karmas and rewards us with fruits,at a later

stage.Vairagya

> > is

> > > > > infact

> > > > > > a check or self enforced restraint on Mana.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is also intersting to note the exaltation of Guru in

the

> > > > > Kshethra

> > > > > > of Mana.Mana and the Mayaloka has no limits.Guru is thus

> > happy

> > > > with

> > > > > > such an environment.Interestingly from another angle

Mana

> can

> > > > > > assimilate with satwika tattwa,with no awareness or

> identity

> > > with

> > > > > > time at all.This may be the ajapa that you are referring

> > to.The

> > > > > world

> > > > > > is not there if there is no thought and the world is as

far

> > and

> > > > as

> > > > > > wide, as one's thoughts can go.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope i have not corrupted your understanding.Kindly

> correct

> > > me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Happy Maha Sivarathri.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respect and Seeking your blessings

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sree88ganesha "

> > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive your mail. i am happy

to

> > note

> > > > your

> > > > > > > deep interest in the subject. i am just back from my

> > > schedule.

> > > > i

> > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > be away for a few more days - Siva Ratri is round the

> > corner.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i feel that every pravesha has a definite

significance.

> > This

> > > > > does

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > mean that i am trying to belittle the thithi pravesha

> > theory.

> > > > We

> > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > go into this later.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i just came across our respected Chandrasekharji's

> > > observation

> > > > in

> > > > > > > connection with exaltation and debilitation of grahas.

i

> > have

> > > > not

> > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > through others observation. i am sorry for that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let me take up one by one. You can stop me when

you/the

> > group

> > > > > feels

> > > > > > > this is boring.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > May Mother Bless.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir P.S. RamNarain Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaskaar, Hope u r fine there and doing well, From

the

> > > Group

> > > > > > side, We

> > > > > > > > are expecting u to complete ur interesting article

on

> > rahu

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > exaltation in which u indicated Kurma Avtaar's

> > > significations

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > undestanding the exaltation theories.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls. find some time for our sake, I w'd also request

> you

> > to

> > > > > throw

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > light on significations of Tithi Pravesha charts, a

sr.

> > > > member

> > > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > group has requested for that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Saaji

 

Thanks for your reply.We will discuss it later.

Wish you a happy Journey.We have to give importance to our priorities

apart from being mad about Jyotish:-).

 

Pradeep

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji Bhaskaran "

<saajik wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> True, all depends on intelligence.

>

> I have worked on this side of Guru when it can be bad but its not

> something I can write an essay at this point of time and convince

> others. I dont want either. There are sayings like 'sthana

bhrashata

> karoti jiva " . From the verse to analyse a bhava, we have to study

> bhava, its lord and then comes karaka. here bhava lord is Guru

> himself.I will send you the chart. If you see there are some famous

> Guru people, who no one understands who they are in reality! They

get

> shelter because of their Guru. I dont want to go into these details

> now.

>

> Anyway I just realised that my ticket to India is for tomorrow

night

> not day after tomorrow's :-) My wife is complaing as we are not

> prepared as I thought I can do most of it day after tomorrow.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Saaji Bhaskaran

>

>

> --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Saaji

> >

> > I know that you have read more classics,more extensively than me.

> >

> > Criminal tendencies etc depends on the way one is utilizing his

> > intelligence.

> >

> > As Dridha drishti is among the synonymns of Guru,it points to

the

> > dridha,shubha drishti of Guru,supporting the aspected bhavas.

> >

> > Guru, is 'big' as you have said and thus the impact(experiments

and

> > experiences)on the residing bhava will,also be high.

> >

> > Chandrashekar ji speaks about the ''sthana bhrashta'' role of

> > Guru.Sthanas or bhavas points to various attachments/desires of a

> > jataka.

> >

> > The case with your friend is similar.He will be tested with

matters

> > regarding 7th bhava.But as you know the pushti of a bhava depends

> on

> > numerous factors.We may have to see the chart in full.

> >

> > When a planet has directional strength,it is able to contribute

> fully

> > to jataka.

> >

> > For example lagna feels happy about the influence of Venus and

Moon

> > on the 4th(Mind-Home).Hence they have digbala on the 4th.

> >

> > For material growth the atma or essence of a jataka should be

> ideally

> > on karma mandala and thus Surya(karaka for lagna) has digbala in

> the

> > 10th.

> >

> > Guru is the Karaka for wisdom and Budha for Budhi.These needs to

> > close to the Jataka for full benefit.Thus they have digbala in

> Lagna.

> >

> > We would not love to see some one dominating us from the 7th.Thus

> as

> > far as lagna is concerned Sani has dig bala on the 7th.

> >

> > These are my personal views and can be wrong.Summarising on the

> topic

> > of discussion,i agree that no single planet is sufficient enough

to

> > judge a person.For eg if there are multiple strong planets,the

> jataka

> > will be inlfuenced strongly by all of them.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji Bhaskaran "

> > <saajik@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > I am not an authority to go against classics. Guru is the

biggest

> > > planet, and it represents all best things.No one will object

> > > this.Guru is the karaka for wisdom, the karaka for pUrva puNya.

> > > Prashna Marga says Guru denotes sarvEshvara, and if Guru is

> > > favourable thats enough. In prashna I have seen daivajnAs

predict

> > > auspicious results with the position of Guru.

> > >

> > > But I question, whether a good position of Guru is enough for a

> > good

> > > life or say 'wisdom'? I have come across many horos where Guru

is

> > > powerful, yet the person is a criminal. I started working on a

> > > balanced view when I faced a severe jolt in my prediction given

> to

> > a

> > > colleague in 2004. He had Guru® in 7th in swakshetra from Ge

> > > Asc.Relying on the dictum of 7th house Guru denotes a chaste

wife

> > > from a well-to-do family, I gave my prediction of good results

> with

> > > happiness from wife, increase in help from higher ups (10th

lord

> in

> > > the 10th therefrom and 7th lord in the 7th), promotion and so

on

> > and

> > > so forth. Actual results where the worst which I couldnt even

> > > imagine. The lady got a job as soon as he started his Guru

dasha

> > and

> > > had an illicit relation(physical) with her colleague which

though

> > > continued for a short time, everyone knew and throughout his

Guru

> > > antar dasha, he was in alchoholism and his life was a mere

> > existence.

> > > But he got a promotion eventhough his performance was not good

> > > enough. One may say that I missed kendradhipatya dosha of Guru

or

> > > Guru is retro or its the 7th lordship ie, maraka. Whatever it

may

> > be,

> > > my 'simple' predictions were right, but the best thing would

have

> > > been, if I could understand this part of the greatest

> difficulties

> > on

> > > personal side. That would be have been my strength to rise

above

> a

> > > mere, average astrologer.

> > >

> > > Guru alone cant always protect. Its the overall strength of the

> > horo

> > > coupled with transits and factors which govern everything, even

> > > jnana. For BV Raman had Guru in the 10th house and it protected

> him

> > > in his predictions. He himself says its not just because of

this,

> > it

> > > was his meditation, a principled life and sadhana. Can this

> > > combination work on all others who have Guru in the 10th? If

your

> > > answer is 'yes' and if you can explain it, then I withdraw my

> > > statements.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Saaji Bhaskaran

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Saaji

> > > >

> > > > Well explained.Ammachi,Mata Amritanandamayi for example is

> having

> > > > Sasha Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > The Janana for which Guru the planet is Karaka and the Jnana

> > which

> > > > Guru the Principle embodies/represents, are in principle

> similar.

> > > >

> > > > However as Chandrashekhar ji has rightly said one cannot

> blindly

> > > > equate Guru the principle with Guru the planet.

> > > >

> > > > Guru is Deva Maantri as well and has to behave accordingly

> apart

> > > from

> > > > conforming to other significations.

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Saaji

> > > > Bhaskaran " <saajik@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep & Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > For me, Sani is the karaka for vairagya. Take the example

of

> > > > > Pravrajya yoga, the very essence of pravrajya is leaving

> one's

> > > > house

> > > > > and relatives. In the pravrajya yogas, if shani is the

karaka

> > the

> > > > > reason will be atma vairagya, for Surya, its caused by

father

> > and

> > > > > like wise. For me, atma vairagya is the highest sort. If

> Shani

> > > > > results in Pravrajya yoga, then one will be a parama

jnaani,

> > with

> > > > > interest in Upanishads and paramaatman and the means also,

> see

> > > > > vairagya will be the highest sort, with minimum or no

dress,

> > high

> > > > > austerity, and food will be minimum to keep the life

active,

> > and

> > > > > there will be no difference in religion for him or just to

> put

> > no

> > > > > difference in literally anything. If you compare the sect

of

> > > > sanyasis

> > > > > that result from each planet, you will get an idea of what

> > Shani

> > > > > stands for!

> > > > >

> > > > > Guru ofcourse is the karaka for jnaana but we should not

> > > > interchange

> > > > > jnaana with knowledge. Mercury stands for

learning/knowledge

> > and

> > > > > intelligence. Unless other factors are not supportive, what

> > > > `jnaana'

> > > > > is this by Guru, with which one can not control mind and

ego

> > and

> > > > > final fall becomes inevitable ? Here is where

Chandrashekhar

> > ji's

> > > > > point of `Guru the principle and Guru the planet' , which

> > others

> > > > keep

> > > > > a close eye as their agenda is just opposite.

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Saaji Bhaskaran

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for sharing your views.

> > > > > > Ofcourse as you have said,the effect has to finally fall

on

> > > > > > mind/perceptional medium for 'us' to realize.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pravarjya Yogas extensively talk about Saturn and Mars

> apart

> > > from

> > > > > > multiple planetary combinations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As you are aware of, Sani is the Karaka for old age and

> > > diseases.

> > > > > > (Restrictive effect of Time on kshara tattwa as compared

to

> > > > > akshara).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The time elapsation and cycle of material entry/exit

> > > > points,results

> > > > > > from attachment.As Shani is Ravi Putra,it is pointing to

> > > > > > continuation/result of our own karma.When Ravi is able to

> > > realize

> > > > > > this in full,time has no more role to play.Thus Sani is

> > having

> > > a

> > > > > role

> > > > > > in developing Viaragya,by reminding ''us'' about our own

> > > > acts/past.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jivatmas poorva punya is expansion in the immortal

> > > direction.This

> > > > > is

> > > > > > the blessing of Guru.When we are prepared to learn we

will

> be

> > > > > > showered with more knowledge.This is the expansive

> influence

> > of

> > > > > Guru

> > > > > > resulting in Jnana Sampath.If we want to remain in

> reflective

> > > > > > identity,Sani will teach us about the restrictive/mortal

> > > > > nature.Thus

> > > > > > it is a cycle.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Going by ''Sanivad Rahu'' - Rahu is the invisible time

> > > principle

> > > > > > resulting out of intersection of atma and mana along the

> > above

> > > > said

> > > > > > cycle.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All grahas are important and no one is bad is my

> > > > > understanding.Except

> > > > > > Sun/Moon all others except chaya grahas are capable of

> > > producing

> > > > > > Mahapurusha Yogas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your views are respected too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kind Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Pradeep,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I w'd like to do a correction, Sani can not give

> Vairagya,

> > > It's

> > > > > > > always the Moon afflicted by Sani.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There has been lots of mess regarding Sani in last 25

> yrs,

> > > Sani

> > > > > > > though can indicate Karma but can never act like

> spiritual

> > > Guru.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are a class of astrologers who started declaring

> Sani

> > > as

> > > > > > > benific as Guru, No, we are doing fundamental mistake.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > >

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Ramanarayan ji Chandrashekhar ji and other

> respected

> > > > > members

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is really great to read the views expressed.

> > > > > > > > Due to lack of time ,i have been unable to share my

> > > > > > understatnding

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > far, on what you have explained.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As understood from the colour disc resulting in white

> > > > > light,upon

> > > > > > > > rotation - your views on the stillness of Nataraja as

> > > height

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > velocity is intutive and great.Thank you very much

for

> > > > sharing

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > views.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Similarly i assume height of velocity and supreme

> > > > concentration

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > two sides of the same coin.Srishti ,Sthithi Samhara

may

> > > also

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > correlated with the breath aspects that you have

> > explained.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Due to HIS blessing and blessing of Gurus ,the

concept

> > > > > explained

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > unfolding in front of humble souls like me - Samhara

> > > Moorthi

> > > > > > > engaging

> > > > > > > > in Tandava,as height of velocity.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Guru as progression of atma and Sani as progression

of

> > mana

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > intutive too.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The teaching and experiments that one has to undergo

> from

> > > > Sani

> > > > > > > > maharaja is definitely a check on mind- the dwindling

> or

> > > > > > > restriction

> > > > > > > > of reflective identity - a means for mukthi from the

> > > clutches

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > TIME.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Similarly Guru the expansive element- the karaka for

> the

> > > > > > expansion

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > blossoming of aakasha padma - is a progression of

atma

> > > tattwa

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > have kindly explained.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Makara the Karma Mandala and material/practical

canvas

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > horoscope is ruled by Sani.The expansion indicated by

> > Guru

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > confined to or restricted by the realms of TIME.Thus

it

> > is

> > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > that Guru has to feel debilitated in this Kshethra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However the very Sani is also responsible for

> restriction

> > > of

> > > > > > > > mana.Sani or manda, moving at a slow pace keeps a

> record

> > of

> > > > our

> > > > > > > > karmas and rewards us with fruits,at a later

> > stage.Vairagya

> > > > is

> > > > > > > infact

> > > > > > > > a check or self enforced restraint on Mana.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is also intersting to note the exaltation of Guru

in

> > the

> > > > > > > Kshethra

> > > > > > > > of Mana.Mana and the Mayaloka has no limits.Guru is

> thus

> > > > happy

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > such an environment.Interestingly from another angle

> Mana

> > > can

> > > > > > > > assimilate with satwika tattwa,with no awareness or

> > > identity

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > time at all.This may be the ajapa that you are

> referring

> > > > to.The

> > > > > > > world

> > > > > > > > is not there if there is no thought and the world is

as

> > far

> > > > and

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > wide, as one's thoughts can go.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope i have not corrupted your understanding.Kindly

> > > correct

> > > > > me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Happy Maha Sivarathri.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respect and Seeking your blessings

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sree88ganesha "

> > > > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> > > > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive your mail. i am

happy

> > to

> > > > note

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > deep interest in the subject. i am just back from

my

> > > > > schedule.

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > be away for a few more days - Siva Ratri is round

the

> > > > corner.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i feel that every pravesha has a definite

> > significance.

> > > > This

> > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > mean that i am trying to belittle the thithi

pravesha

> > > > theory.

> > > > > > We

> > > > > > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > go into this later.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i just came across our respected Chandrasekharji's

> > > > > observation

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > connection with exaltation and debilitation of

> grahas.

> > i

> > > > have

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > gone

> > > > > > > > > through others observation. i am sorry for that.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Let me take up one by one. You can stop me when

> you/the

> > > > group

> > > > > > > feels

> > > > > > > > > this is boring.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best wishes.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> > > > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir P.S. RamNarain Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar, Hope u r fine there and doing well,

From

> > the

> > > > > Group

> > > > > > > > side, We

> > > > > > > > > > are expecting u to complete ur interesting

article

> on

> > > > rahu

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > exaltation in which u indicated Kurma Avtaar's

> > > > > significations

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > undestanding the exaltation theories.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pls. find some time for our sake, I w'd also

> request

> > > you

> > > > to

> > > > > > > throw

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > light on significations of Tithi Pravesha charts,

a

> > sr.

> > > > > > member

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > group has requested for that.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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