Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Dear Lalit, It is not proper to cast aspersions on the spiritual caliber of Swami Chandrashekar Saraswati. As a student of Jyotish,one must learn to respect seers of the past and the present (at the very least) Please take my comments in the right spirit Regards, aavesh Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > I think we should not presume that the knowledge of relation between > self and the supreme god is not with the sages.> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > litsol wrote:> >> > Hi Saji,> >> > May be in next birth Swami Chandrashekarandra Saraswati will realize> > the relation between the self and god supreme, that what he had> > studied in the texts, all knowledge that he aquired by this life's> > austerity has to turn to his self experience.> >> > regards,> > Lalit.> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "Saaji Bhaskaran"> > saajik@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > >> > > <<> > > > have u met any sanaasi reach to God ruled by Mars or Venus or> > So ?> > > > Pls. share with us.> > > >>> > >> > > No I havent met any sanyaasi. My so called experiences are on> > charts> > > of Swamis, like Ammachi, Swami Chandrashekarandra Saraswati> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrashekarendra_Saraswati > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrashekarendra_Saraswati> etc;> > > available.> > >> > > Best regards,> > >> > > Saaji Bhaskaran> > >> > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "litsol"> > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Saji,> > > >> > > > There is a deviation from the discussion started, we will come> > back> > > > to the point just before the deviation.> > > >> > > > I m curious to know abt your experiece, That w'd be interesting.> > > >> > > > "But I believe in this and its my experience also"> > > >> > > > have u met any sanaasi reach to God ruled by Mars or Venus or> > So ?> > > > Pls. share with us.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit..> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "Saaji> > Bhaskaran"> > > > <saajik@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > " Can u tell me who has done this classification, it's wrong> > from> > > > the> > > > > > scratch. It's all imagination. "> > > > >> > > > > I dont know who started this. Some are from time immemorial.> > But> > > I> > > > > believe in this and its my experience also. May be in> > complicated> > > > > cases I may not be able to differentiate things but I will> > > > attribute> > > > > this to lack of my ability and other influences in a horoscope.> > > > >> > > > > <<> > > > > > Jivaka or Avdhoota or whatsoever are mere organisations> > > > > > (sampradayas), it has nothing to do with either vairagya or> > > > sanyaas> > > > > > or astrology. Like i begin a movement and my followers make a> > > > > > sampradaya and then after some 100 yrs somebody starts saying> > > > > > follower of my sampradaya are ruled by Ketu ... it's wrong,> > no> > > > > > substance.> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > The very fact that ancient rishis and later on learned ones> > able> > > to> > > > > attribute everything on 9 planets and 12 houses and their> > > > > combinations make everything seen by astrology. Thats why this> > is> > > > the> > > > > divine science !> > > > >> > > > > Best regards,> > > > >> > > > > Saaji Bhaskaran> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "litsol"> > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Saji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Can u tell me who has done this classification, it's wrong> > from> > > > the> > > > > > scratch. It's all imagination.> > > > > >> > > > > > Ps. try to understand sanyas or vairagya is individualistic.> > > > > >> > > > > > Jivaka or Avdhoota or whatsoever are mere organisations> > > > > > (sampradayas), it has nothing to do with either vairagya or> > > > sanyaas> > > > > > or astrology. Like i begin a movement and my followers make a> > > > > > sampradaya and then after some 100 yrs somebody starts saying> > > > > > follower of my sampradaya are ruled by Ketu ... it's wrong,> > no> > > > > > substance.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "Saaji> > > > Bhaskaran"> > > > > > <saajik@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Each planet denotes a kind of sanyasi. Not Shani or Guru> > > alone.> > > > I> > > > > > was> > > > > > > seperating the quality of shani from others. Mars also> > denote> > > a> > > > > > > sanyasi if my memory serves me right, sAkhyA, now try to> > > learn> > > > > what> > > > > > > this mean. Guru I think denotes a 'jIvaka' state. The state> > > of> > > > > > shani> > > > > > > is avadhUta. A person becomes the kind of sanyasi> > represented> > > > by> > > > > > the> > > > > > > strongest planet.You mean to say in all these cases, its> > > Guru's> > > > > > > influence?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Saaji Bhaskaran> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "litsol"> > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > No Saji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Strong guru is available in 5'th house of Bhagwan Sri> > > > > Ramkrishna> > > > > > > > Paramhansha's chart, and if i m not wrong, it's also> > > > available> > > > > > > either> > > > > > > > in Maata Aaanadmai or Yogananda's chart...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sani attaches one's mind to austerity, only to austerity> > > > before> > > > > > he> > > > > > > > meets the omnipresent all pervading God.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > they stick to what they have opted for .. this is not the> > > > > > sanyaas,> > > > > > > > they are in transformation stage and not the transformed,> > > > Sani> > > > > > > stops> > > > > > > > u this point only, where Sani ends, Guru begins.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "Saaji> > > > > > Bhaskaran"> > > > > > > > <saajik@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "the reduction gives u strong attachment, attachment to> > > > > > > > > > the state u have reached to, "> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This is the point I wanted to convey with the state of> > > > > > pravrajya> > > > > > > > > Shani gives.The strong attachment only to the state one> > > > > reached> > > > > > > > > nothing else but God, the imperishable brahman. No> > > interest> > > > > > > > anything> > > > > > > > > else but brahman. brahman and brahman alone.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "Sani's aspect on Moon plus an active/powerful> > > > > > > > > > Guru is required in one's chart to make him true> > > vairagi> > > > or> > > > > > > > > sanyasi.". I wont say "Required", I will say "It can".> > I> > > > can> > > > > > > > > recollect a horo just once seen, and I know your horo.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I dont agree with what you want to convey. But its> > fine.> > > > > Let's> > > > > > > > agree> > > > > > > > > to disagree.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Saaji Bhasakran> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "litsol"> > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Saji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sani is a planet for contraction, it gives u urge to> > > > reduce> > > > > > to> > > > > > > 5> > > > > > > > > > bhutas or 5 elements, hitherto it's right, I also> > agree> > > > to> > > > > > you> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > what u say -> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > "with minimum or no dress, high austerity, and food> > > will> > > > be> > > > > > > > minimum> > > > > > > > > > to keep the life active, and there will be no> > > difference> > > > in> > > > > > > > > religion> > > > > > > > > > for him or just to put no difference in literally> > > > anything"> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > But let's move further from this point to understand> > > the> > > > > > > vairagya> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > sani's play. the reduction gives u strong attachment,> > > > > > > attachment> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > the state u have reached to, they are firmly bounded> > to> > > > > > > > austerity,> > > > > > > > > > attached to loose the luxury ... they are wrong,> > > > completely> > > > > > > > wrong,> > > > > > > > > > caught up in one state of mind, I have met dozens of> > > such> > > > > > > > vairagis> > > > > > > > > > and tried to open up their mind, it was very> > difficult> > > > coz> > > > > > > saturn> > > > > > > > > > grips them stronger then the Favicol.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > vairagya is when u have no attachment to any thing> > > > whether> > > > > > it's> > > > > > > > > > glamour or whether it's sanyas or austerity.pls.> > > > understand> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > vairagya defined by Guru Gorakhnath, he said vairagya> > > is> > > > a> > > > > > > state> > > > > > > > > when> > > > > > > > > > one's mind is not attached to any thing, he says -> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > "Aaage ho tiriya hazaar aur raaj samman, pichhe ho> > > dhnui> > > > > > alakh> > > > > > > > > > niranjan ...... ", One has to remain unattached> > > (Vairagya> > > > > in> > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > not involved even in Vairagya), it needs wisdom, such> > a> > > > > > wisdom> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > unknown to Sani, So Sani's aspect on Moon plus an> > > > > > > > active/powerful> > > > > > > > > > Guru is required in one's chart to make him true> > > vairagi> > > > or> > > > > > > > sanyasi.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I dont know why people are getting confused, there is> > a> > > > > clear> > > > > > > > > > distinction between Guru and Sani, let's not blurr> > the> > > > > > > > distinction.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- In> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "Saaji> > > > > > > > Bhaskaran"> > > > > > > > > > <saajik@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep & Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > For me, Sani is the karaka for vairagya. Take the> > > > example> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > Pravrajya yoga, the very essence of pravrajya is> > > > leaving> > > > > > > one's> > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > and relatives. In the pravrajya yogas, if shani is> > > the> > > > > > karaka> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > reason will be atma vairagya, for Surya, its caused> > > by> > > > > > father> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > like wise. For me, atma vairagya is the highest> > sort.> > > > If> > > > > > > Shani> > > > > > > > > > > results in Pravrajya yoga, then one will be a> > parama> > > > > > jnaani,> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > interest in Upanishads and paramaatman and the> > means> > > > > also,> > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > > > vairagya will be the highest sort, with minimum or> > no> > > > > > dress,> > > > > > > > high> > > > > > > > > > > austerity, and food will be minimum to keep the> > life> > > > > > active,> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > there will be no difference in religion for him or> > > just> > > > > to> > > > > > > put> > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > difference in literally anything. If you compare> > the> > > > sect> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > sanyasis> > > > > > > > > > > that result from each planet, you will get an idea> > of> > > > > what> > > > > > > > Shani> > > > > > > > > > > stands for!> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Guru ofcourse is the karaka for jnaana but we> > should> > > > not> > > > > > > > > > interchange> > > > > > > > > > > jnaana with knowledge. Mercury stands for> > > > > > learning/knowledge> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > intelligence. Unless other factors are not> > > supportive,> > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > `jnaana'> > > > > > > > > > > is this by Guru, with which one can not control> > mind> > > > and> > > > > > ego> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > final fall becomes inevitable ? Here is where> > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > ji's> > > > > > > > > > > point of `Guru the principle and Guru the planet' ,> > > > which> > > > > > > > others> > > > > > > > > > keep> > > > > > > > > > > a close eye as their agenda is just opposite.> > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Saaji Bhaskaran> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your views.> > > > > > > > > > > > Ofcourse as you have said,the effect has to> > finally> > > > > fall> > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > > mind/perceptional medium for 'us' to realize.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Pravarjya Yogas extensively talk about Saturn and> > > > Mars> > > > > > > apart> > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > multiple planetary combinations.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > As you are aware of, Sani is the Karaka for old> > age> > > > and> > > > > > > > > diseases.> > > > > > > > > > > > (Restrictive effect of Time on kshara tattwa as> > > > > compared> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > akshara).> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The time elapsation and cycle of material> > > entry/exit> > > > > > > > > > points,results> > > > > > > > > > > > from attachment.As Shani is Ravi Putra,it is> > > pointing> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > continuation/result of our own karma.When Ravi is> > > > able> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > realize> > > > > > > > > > > > this in full,time has no more role to play.Thus> > > Sani> > > > is> > > > > > > > having> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > role> > > > > > > > > > > > in developing Viaragya,by reminding ''us'' about> > > our> > > > > own> > > > > > > > > > acts/past.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Jivatmas poorva punya is expansion in the> > immortal> > > > > > > > > direction.This> > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > the blessing of Guru.When we are prepared to> > learn> > > we> > > > > > will> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > showered with more knowledge.This is the> > expansive> > > > > > > influence> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > Guru> > > > > > > > > > > > resulting in Jnana Sampath.If we want to remain> > in> > > > > > > reflective> > > > > > > > > > > > identity,Sani will teach us about the> > > > > restrictive/mortal> > > > > > > > > > > nature.Thus> > > > > > > > > > > > it is a cycle.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Going by ''Sanivad Rahu'' - Rahu is the> > invisible> > > > time> > > > > > > > > principle> > > > > > > > > > > > resulting out of intersection of atma and mana> > > along> > > > > the> > > > > > > > above> > > > > > > > > > said> > > > > > > > > > > > cycle.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > All grahas are important and no one is bad is my> > > > > > > > > > > understanding.Except> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun/Moon all others except chaya grahas are> > capable> > > > of> > > > > > > > > producing> > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yogas.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Your views are respected too.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regds> > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "litsol"> > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I w'd like to do a correction, Sani can not> > give> > > > > > > Vairagya,> > > > > > > > > It's> > > > > > > > > > > > > always the Moon afflicted by Sani.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > There has been lots of mess regarding Sani in> > > last> > > > 25> > > > > > > yrs,> > > > > > > > > Sani> > > > > > > > > > > > > though can indicate Karma but can never act> > like> > > > > > > spiritual> > > > > > > > > Guru.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > There are a class of astrologers who started> > > > > declaring> > > > > > > Sani> > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > benific as Guru, No, we are doing fundamental> > > > mistake.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramanarayan ji Chandrashekhar ji and> > other> > > > > > > respected> > > > > > > > > > > members> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is really great to read the views> > expressed.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Due to lack of time ,i have been unable to> > > share> > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > > understatnding> > > > > > > > > > > > > so> > > > > > > > > > > > > > far, on what you have explained.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As understood from the colour disc resulting> > in> > > > > white> > > > > > > > > > > light,upon> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rotation - your views on the stillness of> > > > Nataraja> > > > > as> > > > > > > > > height> > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > velocity is intutive and great.Thank you very> > > > much> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > sharing> > > > > > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > > > > > views.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly i assume height of velocity and> > > supreme> > > > > > > > > > concentration> > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > two sides of the same coin.Srishti ,Sthithi> > > > Samhara> > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > correlated with the breath aspects that you> > > have> > > > > > > > explained.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Due to HIS blessing and blessing of> > Gurus ,the> > > > > > concept> > > > > > > > > > > explained> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfolding in front of humble souls like me -> > > > > Samhara> > > > > > > > > Moorthi> > > > > > > > > > > > > engaging> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Tandava,as height of velocity.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru as progression of atma and Sani as> > > > progression> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > mana> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > intutive too.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The teaching and experiments that one has to> > > > > undergo> > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > Sani> > > > > > > > > > > > > > maharaja is definitely a check on mind- the> > > > > dwindling> > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > restriction> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of reflective identity - a means for mukthi> > > from> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > clutches> > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > TIME.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly Guru the expansive element- the> > > karaka> > > > > for> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > expansion> > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > blossoming of aakasha padma - is a> > progression> > > of> > > > > > atma> > > > > > > > > tattwa> > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have kindly explained.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makara the Karma Mandala and> > material/practical> > > > > > canvas> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > natural> > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope is ruled by Sani.The expansion> > > > indicated> > > > > by> > > > > > > > Guru> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > confined to or restricted by the realms of> > > > > TIME.Thus> > > > > > it> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > natural> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Guru has to feel debilitated in this> > > > Kshethra.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > However the very Sani is also responsible for> > > > > > > restriction> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mana.Sani or manda, moving at a slow pace> > keeps> > > a> > > > > > > record> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmas and rewards us with fruits,at a later> > > > > > > > stage.Vairagya> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > infact> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a check or self enforced restraint on Mana.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is also intersting to note the exaltation> > of> > > > > Guru> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kshethra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Mana.Mana and the Mayaloka has no> > > limits.Guru> > > > is> > > > > > > thus> > > > > > > > > > happy> > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > such an environment.Interestingly from> > another> > > > > angle> > > > > > > Mana> > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > assimilate with satwika tattwa,with no> > > awareness> > > > or> > > > > > > > > identity> > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > time at all.This may be the ajapa that you> > are> > > > > > > referring> > > > > > > > > > to.The> > > > > > > > > > > > > world> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not there if there is no thought and the> > > world> > > > > is> > > > > > as> > > > > > > > far> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide, as one's thoughts can go.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope i have not corrupted your> > > > > understanding.Kindly> > > > > > > > > correct> > > > > > > > > > > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy Maha Sivarathri.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respect and Seeking your blessings> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "sree88ganesha"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive your mail.> > i> > > am> > > > > > happy> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > note> > > > > > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep interest in the subject. i am just> > back> > > > from> > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > schedule.> > > > > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shall> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be away for a few more days - Siva Ratri is> > > > round> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > corner.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i feel that every pravesha has a definite> > > > > > > > significance.> > > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean that i am trying to belittle the> > thithi> > > > > > pravesha> > > > > > > > > > theory.> > > > > > > > > > > > We> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shall> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go into this later.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i just came across our respected> > > > > Chandrasekharji's> > > > > > > > > > > observation> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection with exaltation and debilitation> > > of> > > > > > > grahas.> > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through others observation. i am sorry for> > > > that.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me take up one by one. You can stop me> > > when> > > > > > > you/the> > > > > > > > > > group> > > > > > > > > > > > > feels> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is boring.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "litsol"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir P.S. RamNarain Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar, Hope u r fine there and doing> > > > well,> > > > > > From> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > Group> > > > > > > > > > > > > > side, We> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are expecting u to complete ur> > interesting> > > > > > article> > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation in which u indicated Kurma> > > > Avtaar's> > > > > > > > > > > significations> > > > > > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > undestanding the exaltation theories.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. find some time for our sake, I w'd> > > also> > > > > > > request> > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > throw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light on significations of Tithi Pravesha> > > > > charts,> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > sr.> > > > > > > > > > > > member> > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group has requested for that.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Dear Sir, Unless i m confirmed, I dont speak or write anything, there is no speculation at all. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > > Self being within, only the sadhaka can know whether he realized self. > Therefore it may be a good idea not to speculate on whether other > realized their self or not. > > Chandrashekhar. > > litsol wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > I respect all the Sages, what i said about swami ji is had a strong > > base, That's not part of Jyotish but that's becoz, I got the insight > > to look into one's life. > > > > Not everybody well known is a realized one, they are in their > > journey. Swami ji is great but he didnt attain the self realization. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, " aavesh_s " > > <aavesh_s@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > It is not proper to cast aspersions on the spiritual caliber of > > Swami > > > Chandrashekar Saraswati. > > > > > > As a student of Jyotish,one must learn to respect seers of the past > > and > > > the present (at the very least) > > > > > > Please take my comments in the right spirit > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > I think we should not presume that the knowledge of relation > > between > > > > self and the supreme god is not with the sages. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Saji, > > > > > > > > > > May be in next birth Swami Chandrashekarandra Saraswati will > > realize > > > > > the relation between the self and god supreme, that what he had > > > > > studied in the texts, all knowledge that he aquired by this > > life's > > > > > austerity has to turn to his self experience. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, " Saaji > > > Bhaskaran " > > > > > saajik@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > << > > > > > > > have u met any sanaasi reach to God ruled by Mars or Venus > > or > > > > > So ? > > > > > > > Pls. share with us. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > No I havent met any sanyaasi. My so called experiences are on > > > > > charts > > > > > > of Swamis, like Ammachi, Swami Chandrashekarandra Saraswati > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrashekarendra_Saraswati > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrashekarendra_Saraswati> > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrashekarendra_Saraswati > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrashekarendra_Saraswati>> etc; > > > > > > available. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Saaji Bhaskaran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% 40>, " litsol " > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Saji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a deviation from the discussion started, we will > > come > > > > > back > > > > > > > to the point just before the deviation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m curious to know abt your experiece, That w'd be > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " But I believe in this and its my experience also " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have u met any sanaasi reach to God ruled by Mars or Venus > > or > > > > > So ? > > > > > > > Pls. share with us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, " Saaji > > > > > Bhaskaran " > > > > > > > <saajik@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Can u tell me who has done this classification, it's > > wrong > > > > > from > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > scratch. It's all imagination. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know who started this. Some are from time > > immemorial. > > > > > But > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > believe in this and its my experience also. May be in > > > > > complicated > > > > > > > > cases I may not be able to differentiate things but I will > > > > > > > attribute > > > > > > > > this to lack of my ability and other influences in a > > > horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << > > > > > > > > > Jivaka or Avdhoota or whatsoever are mere organisations > > > > > > > > > (sampradayas), it has nothing to do with either > > vairagya or > > > > > > > sanyaas > > > > > > > > > or astrology. Like i begin a movement and my followers > > make > > > a > > > > > > > > > sampradaya and then after some 100 yrs somebody starts > > > saying > > > > > > > > > follower of my sampradaya are ruled by Ketu ... it's > > wrong, > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > substance. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The very fact that ancient rishis and later on learned > > ones > > > > > able > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > attribute everything on 9 planets and 12 houses and their > > > > > > > > combinations make everything seen by astrology. Thats why > > this > > > > > is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > divine science ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saaji Bhaskaran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% 40>, " litsol " > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Saji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can u tell me who has done this classification, it's > > wrong > > > > > from > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > scratch. It's all imagination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps. try to understand sanyas or vairagya is > > individualistic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jivaka or Avdhoota or whatsoever are mere organisations > > > > > > > > > (sampradayas), it has nothing to do with either > > vairagya or > > > > > > > sanyaas > > > > > > > > > or astrology. Like i begin a movement and my followers > > make > > > a > > > > > > > > > sampradaya and then after some 100 yrs somebody starts > > > saying > > > > > > > > > follower of my sampradaya are ruled by Ketu ... it's > > wrong, > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > substance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, " Saaji > > > > > > > Bhaskaran " > > > > > > > > > <saajik@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Each planet denotes a kind of sanyasi. Not Shani or > > Guru > > > > > > alone. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > seperating the quality of shani from others. Mars also > > > > > denote > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > sanyasi if my memory serves me right, sAkhyA, now try > > to > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > this mean. Guru I think denotes a 'jIvaka' state. The > > > state > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > shani > > > > > > > > > > is avadhUta. A person becomes the kind of sanyasi > > > > > represented > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > strongest planet.You mean to say in all these cases, > > its > > > > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > > > influence? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saaji Bhaskaran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% 40>, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Saji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Strong guru is available in 5'th house of Bhagwan > > Sri > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansha's chart, and if i m not wrong, it's also > > > > > > > available > > > > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > > > > in Maata Aaanadmai or Yogananda's chart... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sani attaches one's mind to austerity, only to > > austerity > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > meets the omnipresent all pervading God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they stick to what they have opted for .. this is > > not > > > the > > > > > > > > > sanyaas, > > > > > > > > > > > they are in transformation stage and not the > > > transformed, > > > > > > > Sani > > > > > > > > > > stops > > > > > > > > > > > u this point only, where Sani ends, Guru begins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, " Saaji > > > > > > > > > Bhaskaran " > > > > > > > > > > > <saajik@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the reduction gives u strong attachment, > > attachment > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the state u have reached to, " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the point I wanted to convey with the > > state of > > > > > > > > > pravrajya > > > > > > > > > > > > Shani gives.The strong attachment only to the > > state > > > one > > > > > > > > reached > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else but God, the imperishable brahman. No > > > > > > interest > > > > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > > > else but brahman. brahman and brahman alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Sani's aspect on Moon plus an active/powerful > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru is required in one's chart to make him true > > > > > > vairagi > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > sanyasi. " . I wont say " Required " , I will say " It > > can " . > > > > > I > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > recollect a horo just once seen, and I know your > > horo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont agree with what you want to convey. But its > > > > > fine. > > > > > > > > Let's > > > > > > > > > > > agree > > > > > > > > > > > > to disagree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saaji Bhasakran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% 40>, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Saji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sani is a planet for contraction, it gives u > > urge to > > > > > > > reduce > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhutas or 5 elements, hitherto it's right, I > > also > > > > > agree > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > what u say - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " with minimum or no dress, high austerity, and > > food > > > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > minimum > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep the life active, and there will be no > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > religion > > > > > > > > > > > > > for him or just to put no difference in > > literally > > > > > > > anything " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But let's move further from this point to > > understand > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > vairagya > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > sani's play. the reduction gives u strong > > > attachment, > > > > > > > > > > attachment > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the state u have reached to, they are firmly > > bounded > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > austerity, > > > > > > > > > > > > > attached to loose the luxury ... they are wrong, > > > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > > > > > > > caught up in one state of mind, I have met > > dozens of > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > vairagis > > > > > > > > > > > > > and tried to open up their mind, it was very > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > coz > > > > > > > > > > saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > grips them stronger then the Favicol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vairagya is when u have no attachment to any > > thing > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > glamour or whether it's sanyas or austerity.pls. > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > vairagya defined by Guru Gorakhnath, he said > > > vairagya > > > > > > is > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's mind is not attached to any thing, he > > says - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Aaage ho tiriya hazaar aur raaj samman, pichhe > > ho > > > > > > dhnui > > > > > > > > > alakh > > > > > > > > > > > > > niranjan ...... " , One has to remain unattached > > > > > > (Vairagya > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > not involved even in Vairagya), it needs wisdom, > > > such > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > wisdom > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > unknown to Sani, So Sani's aspect on Moon plus > > an > > > > > > > > > > > active/powerful > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru is required in one's chart to make him true > > > > > > vairagi > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > sanyasi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know why people are getting confused, > > there > > > is > > > > > a > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > distinction between Guru and Sani, let's not > > blurr > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > distinction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, " Saaji > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskaran " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <saajik@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep & Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me, Sani is the karaka for vairagya. Take > > the > > > > > > > example > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravrajya yoga, the very essence of pravrajya > > is > > > > > > > leaving > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and relatives. In the pravrajya yogas, if > > shani is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > karaka > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason will be atma vairagya, for Surya, its > > > caused > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like wise. For me, atma vairagya is the > > highest > > > > > sort. > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results in Pravrajya yoga, then one will be a > > > > > parama > > > > > > > > > jnaani, > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interest in Upanishads and paramaatman and the > > > > > means > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vairagya will be the highest sort, with > > minimum or > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > dress, > > > > > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > > > > > > > > austerity, and food will be minimum to keep > > the > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > active, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there will be no difference in religion for > > him or > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference in literally anything. If you > > compare > > > > > the > > > > > > > sect > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > sanyasis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that result from each planet, you will get an > > idea > > > > > of > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stands for! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru ofcourse is the karaka for jnaana but we > > > > > should > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > interchange > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jnaana with knowledge. Mercury stands for > > > > > > > > > learning/knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intelligence. Unless other factors are not > > > > > > supportive, > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > `jnaana' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is this by Guru, with which one can not > > control > > > > > mind > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > ego > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > final fall becomes inevitable ? Here is where > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point of `Guru the principle and Guru the > > planet' > > > , > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a close eye as their agenda is just opposite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saaji Bhaskaran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ofcourse as you have said,the effect has to > > > > > finally > > > > > > > > fall > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind/perceptional medium for 'us' to > > realize. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravarjya Yogas extensively talk about > > Saturn > > > and > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > apart > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > multiple planetary combinations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you are aware of, Sani is the Karaka for > > old > > > > > age > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > diseases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Restrictive effect of Time on kshara > > tattwa as > > > > > > > > compared > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > akshara). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time elapsation and cycle of material > > > > > > entry/exit > > > > > > > > > > > > > points,results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from attachment.As Shani is Ravi Putra,it is > > > > > > pointing > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > continuation/result of our own karma.When > > Ravi > > > is > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > realize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this in full,time has no more role to > > play.Thus > > > > > > Sani > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in developing Viaragya,by reminding ''us'' > > about > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > acts/past. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jivatmas poorva punya is expansion in the > > > > > immortal > > > > > > > > > > > > direction.This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the blessing of Guru.When we are prepared to > > > > > learn > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > showered with more knowledge.This is the > > > > > expansive > > > > > > > > > > influence > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resulting in Jnana Sampath.If we want to > > remain > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > reflective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identity,Sani will teach us about the > > > > > > > > restrictive/mortal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature.Thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is a cycle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by ''Sanivad Rahu'' - Rahu is the > > > > > invisible > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resulting out of intersection of atma and > > mana > > > > > > along > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > above > > > > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cycle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All grahas are important and no one is bad > > is my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding.Except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun/Moon all others except chaya grahas are > > > > > capable > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > producing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your views are respected too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% 40>, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I w'd like to do a correction, Sani can > > not > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > Vairagya, > > > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always the Moon afflicted by Sani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There has been lots of mess regarding > > Sani in > > > > > > last > > > > > > > 25 > > > > > > > > > > yrs, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though can indicate Karma but can never > > act > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are a class of astrologers who > > started > > > > > > > > declaring > > > > > > > > > > Sani > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benific as Guru, No, we are doing > > fundamental > > > > > > > mistake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramanarayan ji Chandrashekhar ji > > and > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > respected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is really great to read the views > > > > > expressed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Due to lack of time ,i have been unable > > to > > > > > > share > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understatnding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far, on what you have explained. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As understood from the colour disc > > resulting > > > > > in > > > > > > > > white > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light,upon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rotation - your views on the stillness > > of > > > > > > > Nataraja > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > height > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > velocity is intutive and great.Thank you > > > very > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly i assume height of velocity > > and > > > > > > supreme > > > > > > > > > > > > > concentration > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two sides of the same > > coin.Srishti ,Sthithi > > > > > > > Samhara > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correlated with the breath aspects that > > you > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > explained. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Due to HIS blessing and blessing of > > > > > Gurus ,the > > > > > > > > > concept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfolding in front of humble souls like > > me - > > > > > > > > Samhara > > > > > > > > > > > > Moorthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > engaging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Tandava,as height of velocity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru as progression of atma and Sani as > > > > > > > progression > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > mana > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intutive too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The teaching and experiments that one > > has to > > > > > > > > undergo > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maharaja is definitely a check on mind- > > the > > > > > > > > dwindling > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > restriction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of reflective identity - a means for > > mukthi > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > clutches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TIME. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly Guru the expansive element- > > the > > > > > > karaka > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expansion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blossoming of aakasha padma - is a > > > > > progression > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > atma > > > > > > > > > > > > tattwa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have kindly explained. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makara the Karma Mandala and > > > > > material/practical > > > > > > > > > canvas > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natural > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope is ruled by Sani.The expansion > > > > > > > indicated > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confined to or restricted by the realms > > of > > > > > > > > TIME.Thus > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natural > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Guru has to feel debilitated in > > this > > > > > > > Kshethra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However the very Sani is also > > responsible > > > for > > > > > > > > > > restriction > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mana.Sani or manda, moving at a slow > > pace > > > > > keeps > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > record > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karmas and rewards us with fruits,at a > > later > > > > > > > > > > > stage.Vairagya > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a check or self enforced restraint on > > Mana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is also intersting to note the > > exaltation > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kshethra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Mana.Mana and the Mayaloka has no > > > > > > limits.Guru > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such an environment.Interestingly from > > > > > another > > > > > > > > angle > > > > > > > > > > Mana > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assimilate with satwika tattwa,with no > > > > > > awareness > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > identity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time at all.This may be the ajapa that > > you > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > referring > > > > > > > > > > > > > to.The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not there if there is no thought and > > the > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide, as one's thoughts can go. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope i have not corrupted your > > > > > > > > understanding.Kindly > > > > > > > > > > > > correct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy Maha Sivarathri. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respect and Seeking your blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > > 40>, " sree88ganesha " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive your > > mail. > > > > > i > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > happy > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > note > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep interest in the subject. i am > > just > > > > > back > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedule. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shall > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be away for a few more days - Siva > > Ratri > > > is > > > > > > > round > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > corner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i feel that every pravesha has a > > definite > > > > > > > > > > > significance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean that i am trying to belittle the > > > > > thithi > > > > > > > > > pravesha > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shall > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go into this later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i just came across our respected > > > > > > > > Chandrasekharji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection with exaltation and > > > debilitation > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > grahas. > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through others observation. i am > > sorry for > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me take up one by one. You can > > stop me > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > you/the > > > > > > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feels > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is boring. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% 40>, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir P.S. RamNarain Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar, Hope u r fine there and > > doing > > > > > > > well, > > > > > > > > > From > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side, We > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are expecting u to complete ur > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > > > article > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation in which u indicated > > Kurma > > > > > > > Avtaar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > significations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > undestanding the exaltation > > theories. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. find some time for our sake, I > > w'd > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > request > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > throw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light on significations of Tithi > > > Pravesha > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > sr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group has requested for that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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