RE: [Varahamihira] Jupiter and Jyotisha

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Dear Lakshmi,

 

Sun is the naisargika Atmakaraka and the karaka for lagna; hence its is the karaka for health and the self. The lagna governs the entire self, and without a well-disposed Sun (who is also the lord of all the planets), one cannot have a good life, health, education, happiness, character, religiosity/dharma, capacity to work, fame, even musical sense. Of course the Sun is associated with intelligence, specially in making a person well-read and that too in the dharma shastras.

 

But here I thought Sarajit was talking specifically of Jyotish. And the kind of intelligence -dhi- that is required here, is provided by Jupiter. It is Jupiter's budhhi, Jupiter's intuition that is specially required. The Sun is indispensable, as it rules Jyotisha and Jyotishis - "jyotishi tvayi sarvani tvam sarva jyotishampati". A strong Sun in buddhi sthana for Sanjayji will specifically make him a good Jyotishi (check Bhavartha Ratnakara). So not only a strong Jupiter, but a strong Sun and a strong Mars is also required to learn jyotish. Why else do you think a Guru-Mangala Yoga is so desirable in a jyotishi's horoscope? In fact, that has been one of the reasons why Sanjayji has been worried whether I will ever learn Jyotish at depth: a very shady Mars and a not so good Sun, which contributes to the weak agni tatva balance in my chart. And agni tatva is very crucial for jyotish. But Sarajit was speaking specifically about the role and placement of Jupiter with respect to Jyotish. This is not to negate the presence of other karakas for intelligence.

 

I think there is a subtle difference between buddhi, vidya and gyana karakas, and the Sun, Jupiter and Mercury are all involved in this (even the Moon). Harihar Majumdar has explained this beautifully. Vidya according to him has two meanings. On the one hand it means shiksha/education or acquired knowledge. On the other it means atma gyan or bhagavat gyan. Mercury can give one shiksha/education but only Jupiter can give gyan, and thats why Mercury is vidya karaka and Jupiter is gyana karaka. Specifically, "Without japa, bhakti, nishtha, dhyana and dharana one cannot have gyana, specially bhagavat gyana, and for this is required a well-disposed Jupiter accompanied by a strong Saturn". I think it is this quality of Jupiter for Jyotish that Sarajit was referring to.

 

{The tone of your reply reminded me that Mars is transiting your lagna now }

 

Warmly,

 

Sarbani

 

 

b_lakshmi_ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh]Thursday, March 27, 2003 2:37 PMvarahamihira Subject: [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Jupiter and JyotishaOm Gurave NamahDear Sarbani,In Gurudeva's "Crux of Vedic Astrology" it is stated that 1st house should be examined to determine one's intelligence too. Also Sun is exalted in Aries, which represents the head, and remember, Sun is also the Sahasraara and if so much of "head" does not indicate intelligence, I don't know what else will :-))!Love,Lakshmivarahamihira , "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...> wrote:> Dear Lakshmi,> > As far as I know, dhi and intuition are both ruled by Jupiter. And the Sun> is jyotish...> > Best regards,> > Sarbani> > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh]> Thursday, March 27, 2003 12:42 PM> varahamihira > [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Jupiter and Jyotisha> > > Om Gurave Namah> > Namaste Sarajit,> > That was an interesting mail. But while assessing the natural focus> and intelligence of a native shouldn't Sun, the karaka for 1H and> whose exaltation is in 1H of the natural zodiac, be also considered?> I am not very familiar with Narasimha's chart, but in Sanjayji's> chart, Sun's placement (along with Venus, 8L) in 5H, I feel, is an> equally important contributing factor for his great intuition and> bhakti, as is the placement of Jupiter in lagna (Pisces).> > BTW, if the Lord of a particular bhava is in trines with the> respective karaka, will the significations of that particular bhava> gain more significance?> > Regards,> Lakshmi> > varahamihira , "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...>> wrote:> > Jaya Jagannath> > Dear Jyotisha,> >> > Its time to explain the role of Jupiter for Jyotisha. From> Gurudev's mail you can know that he emphasised on one very important> point, which I am quoting from his mail "In matters of marriages> (Venus is ninth lord and Jupiter is in Libra) he has been extremely> accurate. "> >> > Now we know that the knowledge of Jyotisha can only be given the by> the devaguru Brhaspati. Now in Narasimha's case, Jupiter is placed in> the Libra, the natural 7th house and lorded by Kalatrakaraka (karaka> for spouse) Venus. Thats why he says that he is good in the matters> of Marriage. In the horoscope of Gurudev Sanjay Rath you will find> that Jupiter is placed in Pisces, the houses of the maharishis and> the highest level of spirituality. Thats why his emphasis is on the> Spiritual side of Jyotish, which can guide one to the path of Moksha> (Pisces). Thus the area where a jyotish shall be good in is seen from> the sign placement of Jupiter.> >> > Now the focus of the intelligence is seen from the paka lagna. Now> in Narasimha's case, it is the 8th house and hence he is too deeply> interested in the matters of occult. However 8th also rules> speculation and sometimes, this speculation draws him away from the> truth mostly wrt to the things related to the Lagna lord. In Pt.> Sanjayji's horoscope, the Lagna lord is placed in the Lagna Pisces> only, showing the focus on self development and reaching the perfect> state.> >> > Just to explain a few interesting points.> >> > Best Wishes> > Sarajit> > >