Shani Maharaj in the 9th house

March 2, 2008

Dear Lalit and Chandrashekarji, I am adding a few points to Lalit's query: (i) Shani Maharaj in 9th when placed in Uccha Rasi gives rise to a native of great spiritual caliber (Ramakrishna Paramahamsha' s chart is a good example of this) (ii)Shani Maharaj in 9th in Neecha Rasi (Simha Lagna) is a very difficult position from the point of view of worldly progress. The native has to struggle against great odds for success in the material sphere.This will continue uptil the age of 38 years.

In case the chart has got a strongly placed Guru and Budha then life will be simpler for the native As Chandrashekarji rightly pointed out ,Shani Maharaj in the 9th unaspected by any Graha leads to Pravrajya yoga (This is particularly true if Shani Maharaj is also aspecting the natal Moon in the chart) Regards, aavesh Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: Dear Lalit,In case of Makara Lagna, 9th bhava is Virgo rasi

and Saturn does not get exalted there. If you are thinking about Kumbha lagna then of course Saturn gets exalted in its 9th bhava which happens to be Libra. In that case first it is good to remember that when a Malefic is lord of a kendra ( which Lagna is) it does not give malefic results or rather its malfeasance is toned down in its dasha. As to your question:1) Lagna lord being lord of a Kendra occupying a Trikona causes raj yoga. Being lagna and 12th lord it could also indicate that the jataka creates his own bhagya (is extremely hardworking perhaps) and there could be some problems to the father.2) Saturn though malefic is least harmful when it is strong and here it is in exaltation and occupying a Trine, so it is extremely powerful and will cause the least of problems. Its aspect on the 3rd will also make the person quite valorous, and though its aspect on the 6th could give some breathing troubles, it will also indicate that the Jataka will

overcome his enemies.Additionally it is good to remember that Saturn in the 9th, if unaspected could also lead to Pravrajya yoga.Take care,Chandrashekhar.litsol wrote: Dear Sir,I wanted to understand the saturn's exaltation in the 9'th house for the Makara Lagna.How saturn will behave in this case, will it bring pravajya instincts, I want to how we can understand this case there are 2 things - 1. lagna lord is placed in 9'th and exalted2. this is a malific.pls. help me to grasp the logic, same is, if saturn is debilated in 9'th house then what will happe to native's bhagya and dharma.regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar

wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > Thank you for understanding me. There are two dimensions to the stories. > If they are given to illustrate some astrological or astronomical point, > there is no harm in them. The problem only arises when they represent > only flights of imagination,more than illustrating some principle.> > As to Saturn getting exalted in natural seat of Guru. That is > Sagittarius. It does not get either exalted or debilitated there. It is > exalted in Libra and gets debilitated in Aries. But Saturn in the > natural seat of Guru in a chart that is the 9th bhava and unaspected by > any planet do es indicate Pravrajya yoga, if memory serves me right.> > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > litsol wrote:> >> > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,> >> > Thanx for giving the idea of some astronomical

resaons behind the> > theory of exlatation and debilitation, I could also never accept the> > stories which are cooked up in the internet version of astrology like> > the one u urself stated - "saying that a king gets strong in> > house of the army general to explain Sun's getting exaltation in> > Aries to every other flight of imagination"> >> > These stories looks baseless.> >> > Pls. let us know more and also tell what is the signification of> > Saturn's exlatation/debilitation in 9'th house, on the Guru's na tural> > seat.> >> > regards,> > Lalit.> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Ramanarayanan,> > >> > > You have asked a question that is very relevant and I do not know> > why> > > asking of the question should trouble anyone. I am sure you have a> > lot> > > of answers that give umpteen explanation of why a graha gets> > exalted on> > > some rasi or other. These vary from saying t hat a king gets strong> > in> > > house of the army general to explain Sun's getting exaltation in> > Aries> > > to every other flight of imagination. Only there is no uniformity> > of> > > application of the theories across planets.> > >> > > My personal

opinion is that the grahas are at their brightest when> > in> > > those rasis where they are said to be exalted and dullest in the> > rasis> > > where they are said to be debilitated. I know that I invited being> > > ridiculed for this opinion, but let me assure you that I am not> > alone in> > > this view and that there are astronomical reasons for the aspects> > of> > > planets too, though they are explained allegorically.> > ; >> > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > > sree88ganesha wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM> > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH> > > >> > > > Dear Shri Lalit Mishra ji,> > > >> > > > Namaste. Thank your for your response. i am happy

to note your> > deep> > > > interest in this Holy Subject.> > > >> > > > Sani is ready to give the anubhava of all the sins/papa karmas> > done by> > > > the jiva. Sani is the ripener. Sani rules the kali rasi Makara.> > > >> > > > i shall go into this subject later as i am on a tight work> > schedule> > > > during this week.> > & gt; >> > > > However understanding Koorma avatar can help a lot in> > understanding> > > > the role of Sani.> > > >> > > > Meanwhile the group members and gurus of the group may please> > consider> > > > explaining as to why a graha gets exalted in one rasi and> > debilitated> > > > in other rasi.> > > >> > > > i am sorry if i had

caused trouble in asking this.> > > >> > > > i shall join later.> > > >> > > > Best wishes.> > > >> > > > May Mother Bless.> > > >> > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,> > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, "litsol"> > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Resp Sri P.S.

RamanarayananJi,> > > > >> > > > > Thanx for showering ur knowedge on us, I w'd request you to> > elaboate> > > > > this mantra of u -> > > > >> > > > > "Sani has the capacity to debilitate Guru".> > > > >> > > > > Pls. el aborate it sothat we can understand the reasoning behind> > > > > Guru's debilitation in capricorn.> > > > >> > > > > Recently people have started taking Saturn as a spiritual> > planet, i> > > > > was also thinking like others but now i think, saturn is more a> > > > > planet that inspires people to become cunning and cheat sothat> > they> > > > > can get punishments in future, is that a reason why Guru gets> > > > > debilitated in saturn's

sign.> > > > >> > > > > Also tell us pls, what impact there will be for a person whose> > saturn> > > > > is exalted/debilitated in 9'th house of his chart, i mean in> > the seat> > > > > of the Guru, a nd pls. also let us know that what if Shasha Yoga> > is> > > > > formed in one's lagna, how the person will be.> > > > >> > > > > It's a good opportunity to learn some key things from u.> > > > >> > > > > on the other part of time etc... i w'd say a sadhaka knows> > there is> > > > > no importance of time, time dosnt exist for him.> > > > >> > > > > I know it.. but i enjoy being a part of time that gets> > elapsed ....> > > > >> > > > > regards,>

> > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%> > 40>, "sree88ganesha"> > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM> > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Shri Chandrashekhar ji & Shri Lalit Mishra ji,> > > >

> >> > > > > > Namaste. i am happy to receive the responses from you in this> > > > > regard.> > > > & gt; > i also appreciate the efforts taken to translate ambaram as> > apparel> > > > > > and chit as chiti sakthi. May i write a few lines!!!?> > > > > >> > > > > > Swarna vilva, Ajapa Nrtya, dynamic stillness(Nataraja),the> > > > > > sabha/assembly, presence of Lord Govindaraja in lying posture,> > > > > > presence of Shri Aanjaneya in standing posture, presence of> > Shri> > > > > > Yogeswar Patanjali and Shri Vyaghrapaadar,the dance by> > MaaKaali, the> > > > > > temple structure, the poojaris/pandits/brahmanas of the> > temple are> > > > > all> > >

> > > some of the various special features among others in the> > Chidambaram> > > > > > Temple. An explanation for these special features will call> > for an> > > > > > effort to write a book.> > > > > >> > > > > > The chiti sakthi brings forth the role of Mother. Siva the> > epitome> > > > > of> > > > > > stillness/existence and awareness indicates the Sat and Chit> > while> > > > > > Mother the epitome of awareness and energy indicates the Chit> > and> > > > > > Bliss. This wonderful combination of SivaSakthi Ayikya> > > > > > Swaroopa/Sat-chit-aananda swaroopa, results in the cosmic> > dance> > > > > which> > > > > > gives the dual effect of stillness

and dynamism separately and> > > > & gt; > together too!> > > > > >> > > > > > The dwadasa divisions of the zodiac is directly linked to this> > > > > cosmic> > > > > > dance. The sabha or assembly gives hint about the space> > divisions.> > > > > > This indirectly gives hints about the role of Guru(aakasha).> > If we> > > > > > stop with the explanation of 'chiti sakthi' we may be in a> > position> > > > > to> > > > > > undertstand the space divisions and 'chidambaram'. We need to> > move> > > > > > further in order to understand the rahasya portion which has> > the> > > > > > intention of explaining the concepts of time and time> > division s.>

> > > > >> > > > > > The 5 vertical lines Swarna Vilva which is kept behind the> > screens> > > > > and> > > > > > claimed as rahasya indicate the 'panchanga' or the 5 limbs of> > time.> > > > > > Time is invisible and eternal and is directly linked to the> > > > > > breath/swara. The other meaning of tri-dala vilva(other than> > the one> > > > > > given in the previous mail) is the tri-kala(past, present and> > > > > future -> > > > > > identified as 9,1 and 5 in the space divisions).> > > > > >> > > > > > How do we understand Nataraja as SivaSakthi Ayikya swaroopa?> > How do> > > > > we> > > > > > understand the principles of dynamic stillness?

Here in comes> > the> > > > > > importance of the quietude of 'chit'. In order to understand> > the> > > > > space> > > > > > divisions we need the co-operation of the energy of 'chit'> > and the> > > > > > blessings of Guru. From the aakasha/ashareera(beyond the> > limitations> > > > > > of body)the help is extended through 'diksha'(Guru mantra).> > This> > > > > > mantra of the Guru has the highest potency to trace space> > within the> > > > > > realm of mind/chit. This means acceptance of Guru and> > extending> > > > > > reverence is called for here. Immense faith on the Guru and> > clear> > > > > > conviction brings forth the required platform in the manomaya> >

kosha> > > > > > for the breath to transcend. This means the manosarovar will> > now> > > > > > contain the flowers of awareness and reverence. Now the> > breeze flows> > > > > > across. Breathing/the existential kriya (chiti in action)gains> > > > > enough> > > > > > motivation to move ahead. The place where the transcendence> > takes> > > > > > place is where the dance called as 'ajapa' is born.> > > > > >> > > > > > Why should this ajapa dance be given so much importance? It is> > > > > because> > > > > > only here we can understand the concept of space and space> > > > > divisions.> > > > > > In other words this 'ajapa' is the indicator or mark for us to> >

> > > > understand the activated 'chiti sakthi'.> > > > > >> > > > > > As already said the Swarna vilva speaks about the concept of> > time> > > > > and> > > > > > time divisions which are collectively called as 'panchanga'.> > > > > >> > > > > > Guru represents the space divisions while Sani represents the> > time> > > > > > divisions. The time taken for both these planets to come back> > to> > > > > their> > > > > > origin al starting points of their journey(maintaining the> > distance> > > > > > between them in tact) is 60 years. Though these two planets> > treat> > > > > each> > > > > > other neutrally Sani has the capacity to debilitate

Guru. In> > order> > > > > > that the role of Guru is not lost sight of these 60 years are> > called> > > > > > as 'jupiterian' years. The pachakadi sambandha is worth> > remembering> > > > > here.> > > > > >> > > > > > Breath+awareness+reverence = Prana. This means that Prana is> > the> > > > > > universal set containing breath as subset in it! It was> > addressing> > > > > > this prana (rudra aaradhana) that King Kowsika transformed> > himself> > > > > into> > > > > > Sage Viswvmitra.> > > > > >> > > > > > The quietude of chitta/chit/mind plus the beatitude of ajapa> > nrtya> > > > > are> > > > > > the

required qualifications/conditions which enable one to> > > > > understand> > > > > > the concept of space and time divisions which forms the basis> > for> > > > > > further revelations.> > > > > >> > > > > > Pancha kosha is the panchavati(5 trees)where the Rama-Sita-> > Lakshmana> > > > > > reside. Let us pray to Sage Agastya to bless us also.> > > > > > & gt; > > > > > i think you will agree that the concept of Guru and> > reverential> > > > > > approach to Guru, the Guru prasada viz., mantra and quietude> > of> > > > > > chitta/mind are essential for understanding and facilitating> > the> > > > > > mainfestation of 'chiti sakthi'.> > > > >

>> > > > > > i am extremely sorry for the length of the mail.> > > > > >> > > > > > Best wishes.> > > > > >> > > > > > May Mother Bless.> > > > > >> > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,> > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,> > Chandrashekhar> >

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit/ Ramanarayanan,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Pardon my interruption, but are you sure that the "Chit" in> > > > > Chidambaram> > > > > > > refers to Chitta (mind of feelings). I would think it> > refers to> > > > > the> > > > > > > Chiti shakti or Kundalini shakti. I would translate the> > word as> > > > > one> > > > > > > whose apparel is pure energy. That is why he is described> > as one> > > > > who is> > > > > > > moving and one who is motionless, one who is distant as> > well as> > > > > one> > > > > > who>

> > > > > > is near, one in whom all reside but the one who is out side> > all> > > > > > > (creation). Of course my knowledge in matters religious is> > not> > > > > very> > > > > > deep.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Resp Sri P.S.ramanarayanan Ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Namaskaar, I think God has sent u so that we can learn> > more,> > > > > It's> > > > > > quite> > > > > > > > right about Chidambara (Chitta

+ Ambar - akash or sky) ,> > I have> > > > > some> > > > > > > > confusions that i think i should ask -> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. When the mind quietens the breathing steps> > > > > > > > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the japa now> > > > > ajapa! The> > > > > > > > dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this chit+ambaram at> > the> > > > > point of> > > > > > > > time when the ordinary breathing percolates through> > > > > manomaya/sabdamaya> > > > > > > > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > My experience is slight different, when mind (Mana)> >

quietens,> > > > > the> > > > > > chetna> > > > > > > > (consciousness) transcedence, but it's under the mother> > divine,> > > > > unless> > > > > > > > she blesses, this transcednce is blocked, I had chanted> > crores> > > > > of the> > > > > > > > mantras, but it didnt happen, i was curious to know> > what's there> > > > > > in the> > > > > > > > other side of the coin, what is cross the border,> > finally, it> > > > > happened> > > > > > > > one day, it happened spontaneously..., now ajapa and japa> > are> > > > > one and> > > > > > > > same thing to me ..> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > I dont understand kosha theory much and i also think the> > prana> > > > > has no> > > > > > > > importance in spiritua lity, prana and pranayaam is as> > > > > superficial and> > > > > > > > physical as any organ of the body in the sense of the> > > > > > spirituality, pls.> > > > > > > > guide me more.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I think koshas are the level of attachements to various> > > > > instincts ..> > > > > > > > where our chetna is stuck, m not sure, telling from my> > > > > experience.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > expecting to know more from u.. pls. tell us more.> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > & g t; > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%> > > > > 40>, "sree88ganesha"> > > > > > > > <sree88ganesha@> wrote:> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > SARVAM GYANA NANDAMAYAM> > > > > > > > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Aavesh ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Namaste. i thank you for addressing the> > topic 'Chidambara> > > > > > Rahasya' to> > > > > > > > > me too.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Chitta is seen from 5th bhava. In kalapurusha jataka it> > > > > contains the> > > > > > > > > sign Simha ruled by Sun. The karaka for 5th is Guru who> > stand> > > > > for> > > > > > >

> > aakasha. The 8th amsa of this 5th bhava is> > > > > > scorpio/vrischika(watery).> > > > > > > > > The 8th bhava is considered as the gupta/rahasya bhava.> > It is> > > > > > here we> > > > > > > > > see the debilitation of chandra taking place.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The stillness of the Nataraja posture which we see is> > not> > > > > > stillness in> > > > > > > > > reality but it is the height of velocity. It is said> > that> > > > > Ganga> > > > > > Mayya> > > > > > > > > wanted to see this Nrtya. It is for this specific> > reason that> > > > > she as> > > > > > >

> > swarna vi lva got down from the 'jata'. Is this a> > secret?!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Let us go further.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vilva stands for praana. The tri-dala that is offered> > to the> > > > > Lord> > > > > > > > > stands for the activity of breathing -> > inhalation,retention> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > exhalation.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Chandra that we talked about above indicates the mana> > which in> > > > > > > > > layman's parlance stand for kaala(Sani is said to be the> > > > > hig her> > > > > >

octave> > > > > > > > > of chandra/Moon while Guru is considered to be the> > higher> > > > > octave of> > > > > > > > > Sun). Generally when a person has mind to do a> > particular job> > > > > he> > > > > > > > > usually finds time for the same. This is purely based> > on the> > > > > > likes and> > > > > > > > > dislikes. This is based on the ego. This usually leads> > one to> > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > directions. The soma which bestows nectar/amrita> > (undying - a +> > > > > > mrita)> > > > > > > > > through the doors of Kaala acts as chandra the mana of> > the> > > > > jiva.> >

> > > > Kaala> > > > > > > > > stands for limitation while Soma stands for that which> > cannot> > > > > be> > > > > > > > > limited. Soma is that Satya/Aakash/Space which can be> > reached> > > > > > when we> > > > > > > > > transcend the limitations/boundaries of kaala. From> > this we> > > > > can> > > > > > > > > understand that Sani blocks Soma. In other words Sani> > allows> > > > > Soma to> > > > > > > > > function as chandra with prescribed time limits. This> > is akin> > > > > to the> > > > > > > > > state where we find dead bodies floating( or pushed> > under) in> > > >

> > undying> > > > > > > > > jeeva nadi Ganga! Chidamabara Rahasya calls for this> > > > > > transformation of> > > > > > > > > kaala chakra to dik chakra.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Now coming back to the statement that chandra is> > debilitated> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > vrischika, we understand that the 8th amsa(rahasya) of> > the 5th> > > > > > > > > bhava(chit+ambaram) allows this transcendence.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > What is the secre t in Chidambaram? To the right of Maata> > > > > > > > > Sivakamasundari we have the Lord Nataraaja. To His> > right we> > > > > have

5> > > > > > > > > vertically lined swarna vilva(ganga). Vilva stands for> > prana> > > > > which> > > > > > > > > cannot be seen(a-drista/rahasya). Praana stands for> > sustenance> > > > > (Ganga> > > > > > > > > Mayya's heart is big indeed). 5 numbers stand for the> > pancha> > > > > praana> > > > > > > > > which are considered the prathama karakas.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Praana maya kosha stands in between annamaya kosha and> > > > > manomaya> > > > > > kosha.> > > > > > > > > Using the 5th bhava if the cobwebs of manomaya kosha are> > > > > > > > > dusted(through

guru mantra) the unrealized ordinary> > breathing> > > > > slows> > > > > > > > > down to give the benefit of attention of the praana> > ganga> > > > > that is> > > > > > > > > flowing within. When the mind quietens the breathing> > steps> > > > > > > > > across(transcends) the manomaya kosha making the japa> > now> > > > > ajapa! The> > > > > > > > > dance of Nataraaja is seen here in this chit+ambaram at> > the> > > > > point of> > > > > > > > > time when the ordinary breathing percolates through> > > > > > manomaya/sabdamaya> > > > > > > > > kosha to bringforth 'PRAANANAADA'.> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > Let me stop here as the mail is becoming lengthier.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > i am sorry if i had bored you.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Best wishes.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > May Mother Bless.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours,> > > > > > > > > p.s.ramanarayanan.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,> > aavesh t> > > > > > > > > aavesh_s@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > D ear> > > > > > Lalit,Chandrashekarji,Sheevaniji,Sunilji,RKDa,Ramanarayanji> > and> > > > > > > > > Group,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Please see this link:> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > > http://bharataagama s.blogspot. com/2008/> > 02/chidambara-> > > > > rahasyam.> > > > > > > > > html> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aavesh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > With Best Wishes,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aavesh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bring your gang together - do your thing. Start your> > group.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> You are managing the Vedic Astrologyandhealing group through Grouply.You to individual

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