Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Dear Viswanathan, Astrology is a Vedanga...is what I had stated at the very outset... Our Vedas have several angas,of which Astrology is one... Tantra,Mantra and Yantra,it is claimed, do have some effects on Humans...and similar claims are also made by the exponents of Black Magic,too... The "Rationalist's Association" of Bangalore have on TV demonstrated beyond doubt that no Tantrik can perform whatever he claims...he can... Faith and belief unfortunately coincide quite bizarely...mostly in the gullible...less-informed and the innocent village folks who are "ripe for the picking"...! Do Tantra,Mantra and Yantra have any cognisable beneficial effects at all, on a human being,or the environment or Nature or Prakriti ? That is a matter of great debate and dispute...and most of the time a lot of subjective conjencture... The point I was stressing upon,and still like to stress,is that as per the theory of Karma,nobody or nothing,not even Brahma, can change the fate/destiny of a human... prescribed by Brahma himself,at Birth... A lot of research,notably at the Stanford University,and the Max Planck Institute has shown fairly conclusively that Prayer is just yet another form of Auto-suggestion,albeit more powerful...similar research in many Institutes around the world point to the fact that Tantra,Mantra and Yantra are also different forms of Auto-suggestion... I wish you to read the publications of The Kundalini Research Foundation , founded by the late Pt.Gopi Krishna of Srinagar...and also the many books written by him,notably 'Kundalini Yoga', 'The Essence of Yoga', and 'Higher Conciousness' ...where-in all these... Yantra Tantra and Mantra and their so-called efficacy have been discussed and explained... You are also recommended to read the following books on Tantra & Mantra... 1. Tantra by Philip Rawson Publisher Thames & Hudson,London...and 2. Yantra by Madhu Khanna...Publisher Thames & London... Both books are profusely illustrated and essentially promote the basic thought that Tantra and Yantra are two different paths to achieve "Freedom from Rebirth", or Moksha or Nirvana...or Salvation...and in a similar manner Mantra is also yet another path to achieve Moksha etc. Since most of the books on Mantra are in Sanskrit,a language,I am ashamed to acknowledge,I do not know at all...I cannot recommend any book...but I'm sure there must be some good books on the subject... The gist of all the above is only that...Tantra,Mantra or Yantra were never originally designed to change/modify one's Kaarmic Destiny/Fate...they were different paths towards the same goal...Moksha... I hope that I have been able to drive home some home-truths...effectively... Wishing you the very best, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Viswanathan Manicketh Krishnan Nair <viswanathan1961Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Monday, 20 April, 2009 4:16:16 PMRe: Yantra,Tantra & Mantra... Sir Yantra and Tantra or Mantra can modify certain things like marriage, enimity, etc. We have been using these yantra etc. effectively for a long time now. They have their own efficacy. The results are favourable. Many astrologers (except KP Astrologers) do recommend yantra for many life events / problems. Yantras are stated in vedas of which Astrology forms part. Rgds MK Viswanath --- On Fri, 17/4/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Yantra,Tantra & Mantra..."Mr.Viswanathan" <viswanathan1961Friday, 17 April, 2009, 8:18 PM Dear Mr.Wiswanathan, I am a professional astrologer,and practising Krishnamurthi Padhdhati,successfully,since the late seventies... I have a few queries haunting me,as a true Hindu and an inquiring Saraswat Brahmin... 1. Astrology is a Vedanga,and has,over time, developed into a Science whereby,one is able to decipher/unveil one's Fate...as ordained by Bramha,at one's birth... 2. Also,there are quite a few examples cited in our Hindu Literature,to illustrate that Fate or Destiny cannot be altered/modified by anybody or anything...like the stories of Nala & Damayanti,as well as Raja Harishchandra... Because Fate/Destiny is determined by one's Karma,Sanchita Karma,Prarabdha Karma and Agami Karma... 3. We have control only over our Agami Karma,and no control on our Sanchita Karma(accumulated Karma),and on our Prarabdha Karma...we can exercise control and influence over our Agami Karma, however...which is why a good/honest/selfless way of life,and surrender to the Will of God is recommended... 4. The question now arises is that..." How can Yantra,Tantra or Mantra help in modifying or changing one's FATE/DESTINY...at all ..." 5. Or, it this a way of fleecing the gullible and the innocent,and the ignorant masses obtaining in India...? In the past,I have challenged many a Tantrik,Vaidik,Gem-dealer,and Maantriks to demonstrate A SINGLE AUTHENTICATED CASE OF RELIEF/BENEFIT obtained directly attributable to Tantra/Mantra/Yantra,wearing of gems etc... 6. The least I can request you is to please explain to me the mechanics of how these Yantras/Tantric exercises/figures/and Mantra help in modifying one's Fate... I am keenly looking forward to your enlightening me on the subjects mentioned above... I shall be deeply obliged and remain ever grateful to you... With highest regards, L.Y.Rao. Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname. Sign up now! Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Om Dear Sir, After a long time very well written and balanced post is seen on this thread. I appreciate the views expressed. As a mantra shastri having studied the subject In parmpara I can agree that inept handling of tantra mantra and yantra is useless. In modern time rarely these practices yield desired result for it is difficult to fulfill the right procedure. Search for daivayaga who knows mantra tantra etc adequately is rare. Incidentally the cause lies in non publication of literature and practices being known as; are unfit for modern life. Sharadatilak is fundamental book a few others are also but very little is published. Best quote I remember in this context is simple. Planets become favorable to one who is harmless(1), who possess self control(2) and who has earned wealth through virtuous means (3)and who always observes religious disciplines (4). Planets do not catch him. No remedies are needed for them. With regards. R.C.Srivastava[Astrologer] http://www.cosmograce.com 9412268768. On Behalf Of Yogesh Rao Lajmi Monday, April 20, 2009 9:03 PM Viswanathan Manicketh Krishnan Nair Cc: Re: Yantra,Tantra & Mantra... Dear Viswanathan, Astrology is a Vedanga...is what I had stated at the very outset... Our Vedas have several angas,of which Astrology is one... Tantra,Mantra and Yantra,it is claimed, do have some effects on Humans...and similar claims are also made by the exponents of Black Magic,too... The " Rationalist's Association " of Bangalore have on TV demonstrated beyond doubt that no Tantrik can perform whatever he claims...he can... Faith and belief unfortunately coincide quite bizarely...mostly in the gullible...less-informed and the innocent village folks who are " ripe for the picking " ...! Do Tantra,Mantra and Yantra have any cognisable beneficial effects at all, on a human being,or the environment or Nature or Prakriti ? That is a matter of great debate and dispute...and most of the time a lot of subjective conjencture... The point I was stressing upon,and still like to stress,is that as per the theory of Karma,nobody or nothing,not even Brahma, can change the fate/destiny of a human... prescribed by Brahma himself,at Birth... A lot of research,notably at the Stanford University,and the Max Planck Institute has shown fairly conclusively that Prayer is just yet another form of Auto-suggestion,albeit more powerful...similar research in many Institutes around the world point to the fact that Tantra,Mantra and Yantra are also different forms of Auto-suggestion... I wish you to read the publications of The Kundalini Research Foundation , founded by the late Pt.Gopi Krishna of Srinagar...and also the many books written by him,notably 'Kundalini Yoga', 'The Essence of Yoga', and 'Higher Conciousness' ...where-in all these... Yantra Tantra and Mantra and their so-called efficacy have been discussed and explained... You are also recommended to read the following books on Tantra & Mantra... 1. Tantra by Philip Rawson Publisher Thames & Hudson,London...and 2. Yantra by Madhu Khanna...Publisher Thames & London... Both books are profusely illustrated and essentially promote the basic thought that Tantra and Yantra are two different paths to achieve " Freedom from Rebirth " , or Moksha or Nirvana...or Salvation...and in a similar manner Mantra is also yet another path to achieve Moksha etc. Since most of the books on Mantra are in Sanskrit,a language,I am ashamed to acknowledge,I do not know at all...I cannot recommend any book...but I'm sure there must be some good books on the subject... The gist of all the above is only that...Tantra,Mantra or Yantra were never originally designed to change/modify one's Kaarmic Destiny/Fate...they were different paths towards the same goal...Moksha... I hope that I have been able to drive home some home-truths...effectively... Wishing you the very best, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Viswanathan Manicketh Krishnan Nair <viswanathan1961 Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 Monday, 20 April, 2009 4:16:16 PM Re: Yantra,Tantra & Mantra... Sir Yantra and Tantra or Mantra can modify certain things like marriage, enimity, etc. We have been using these yantra etc. effectively for a long time now. They have their own efficacy. The results are favourable. Many astrologers (except KP Astrologers) do recommend yantra for many life events / problems. Yantras are stated in vedas of which Astrology forms part. Rgds MK Viswanath --- On Fri, 17/4/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 Yantra,Tantra & Mantra... " Mr.Viswanathan " <viswanathan1961 Friday, 17 April, 2009, 8:18 PM Dear Mr.Wiswanathan, I am a professional astrologer,and practising Krishnamurthi Padhdhati,successfully,since the late seventies... I have a few queries haunting me,as a true Hindu and an inquiring Saraswat Brahmin... 1. Astrology is a Vedanga,and has,over time, developed into a Science whereby,one is able to decipher/unveil one's Fate...as ordained by Bramha,at one's birth... 2. Also,there are quite a few examples cited in our Hindu Literature,to illustrate that Fate or Destiny cannot be altered/modified by anybody or anything...like the stories of Nala & Damayanti,as well as Raja Harishchandra... Because Fate/Destiny is determined by one's Karma,Sanchita Karma,Prarabdha Karma and Agami Karma... 3. We have control only over our Agami Karma,and no control on our Sanchita Karma(accumulated Karma),and on our Prarabdha Karma...we can exercise control and influence over our Agami Karma, however...which is why a good/honest/selfless way of life,and surrender to the Will of God is recommended... 4. The question now arises is that... " How can Yantra,Tantra or Mantra help in modifying or changing one's FATE/DESTINY...at all ... " 5. Or, it this a way of fleecing the gullible and the innocent,and the ignorant masses obtaining in India...? In the past,I have challenged many a Tantrik,Vaidik,Gem-dealer,and Maantriks to demonstrate A SINGLE AUTHENTICATED CASE OF RELIEF/BENEFIT obtained directly attributable to Tantra/Mantra/Yantra,wearing of gems etc... 6. The least I can request you is to please explain to me the mechanics of how these Yantras/Tantric exercises/figures/and Mantra help in modifying one's Fate... I am keenly looking forward to your enlightening me on the subjects mentioned above... I shall be deeply obliged and remain ever grateful to you... With highest regards, L.Y.Rao. Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname. Sign up now! Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Cricket on your mind? 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Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Shri Yogesh Rao Lajmi ji Thanks for your msg. Yantra and Mantra has got its own efficacy. Many astrologers prescribe it as a remedial measure like gem stones are being prescribed by Astrologers. Rgds MK Viswanath --- On Mon, 20/4/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 Re: Yantra,Tantra & Mantra..."Viswanathan Manicketh Krishnan Nair" <viswanathan1961Cc: Date: Monday, 20 April, 2009, 9:03 PM Dear Viswanathan, Astrology is a Vedanga...is what I had stated at the very outset... Our Vedas have several angas,of which Astrology is one... Tantra,Mantra and Yantra,it is claimed, do have some effects on Humans...and similar claims are also made by the exponents of Black Magic,too... The "Rationalist's Association" of Bangalore have on TV demonstrated beyond doubt that no Tantrik can perform whatever he claims...he can... Faith and belief unfortunately coincide quite bizarely...mostly in the gullible...less-informed and the innocent village folks who are "ripe for the picking"...! Do Tantra,Mantra and Yantra have any cognisable beneficial effects at all, on a human being,or the environment or Nature or Prakriti ? That is a matter of great debate and dispute...and most of the time a lot of subjective conjencture... The point I was stressing upon,and still like to stress,is that as per the theory of Karma,nobody or nothing,not even Brahma, can change the fate/destiny of a human... prescribed by Brahma himself,at Birth... A lot of research,notably at the Stanford University,and the Max Planck Institute has shown fairly conclusively that Prayer is just yet another form of Auto-suggestion,albeit more powerful...similar research in many Institutes around the world point to the fact that Tantra,Mantra and Yantra are also different forms of Auto-suggestion... I wish you to read the publications of The Kundalini Research Foundation , founded by the late Pt.Gopi Krishna of Srinagar...and also the many books written by him,notably 'Kundalini Yoga', 'The Essence of Yoga', and 'Higher Conciousness' ...where-in all these... Yantra Tantra and Mantra and their so-called efficacy have been discussed and explained... You are also recommended to read the following books on Tantra & Mantra... 1. Tantra by Philip Rawson Publisher Thames & Hudson,London...and 2. Yantra by Madhu Khanna...Publisher Thames & London... Both books are profusely illustrated and essentially promote the basic thought that Tantra and Yantra are two different paths to achieve "Freedom from Rebirth", or Moksha or Nirvana...or Salvation...and in a similar manner Mantra is also yet another path to achieve Moksha etc. Since most of the books on Mantra are in Sanskrit,a language,I am ashamed to acknowledge,I do not know at all...I cannot recommend any book...but I'm sure there must be some good books on the subject... The gist of all the above is only that...Tantra,Mantra or Yantra were never originally designed to change/modify one's Kaarmic Destiny/Fate...they were different paths towards the same goal...Moksha... I hope that I have been able to drive home some home-truths...effectively... Wishing you the very best, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Viswanathan Manicketh Krishnan Nair <viswanathan1961Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Monday, 20 April, 2009 4:16:16 PMRe: Yantra,Tantra & Mantra... Sir Yantra and Tantra or Mantra can modify certain things like marriage, enimity, etc. We have been using these yantra etc. effectively for a long time now. They have their own efficacy. The results are favourable. Many astrologers (except KP Astrologers) do recommend yantra for many life events / problems. Yantras are stated in vedas of which Astrology forms part. Rgds MK Viswanath --- On Fri, 17/4/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Yantra,Tantra & Mantra..."Mr.Viswanathan" <viswanathan1961Friday, 17 April, 2009, 8:18 PM Dear Mr.Wiswanathan, I am a professional astrologer,and practising Krishnamurthi Padhdhati,successfully,since the late seventies... I have a few queries haunting me,as a true Hindu and an inquiring Saraswat Brahmin... 1. Astrology is a Vedanga,and has,over time, developed into a Science whereby,one is able to decipher/unveil one's Fate...as ordained by Bramha,at one's birth... 2. Also,there are quite a few examples cited in our Hindu Literature,to illustrate that Fate or Destiny cannot be altered/modified by anybody or anything...like the stories of Nala & Damayanti,as well as Raja Harishchandra... Because Fate/Destiny is determined by one's Karma,Sanchita Karma,Prarabdha Karma and Agami Karma... 3. We have control only over our Agami Karma,and no control on our Sanchita Karma(accumulated Karma),and on our Prarabdha Karma...we can exercise control and influence over our Agami Karma, however...which is why a good/honest/selfless way of life,and surrender to the Will of God is recommended... 4. The question now arises is that..." How can Yantra,Tantra or Mantra help in modifying or changing one's FATE/DESTINY...at all ..." 5. Or, it this a way of fleecing the gullible and the innocent,and the ignorant masses obtaining in India...? In the past,I have challenged many a Tantrik,Vaidik,Gem-dealer,and Maantriks to demonstrate A SINGLE AUTHENTICATED CASE OF RELIEF/BENEFIT obtained directly attributable to Tantra/Mantra/Yantra,wearing of gems etc... 6. The least I can request you is to please explain to me the mechanics of how these Yantras/Tantric exercises/figures/and Mantra help in modifying one's Fate... I am keenly looking forward to your enlightening me on the subjects mentioned above... I shall be deeply obliged and remain ever grateful to you... With highest regards, L.Y.Rao. Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname. Sign up now! Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Dear Mr.Shrivastava, Thank you for your appreciation...Actually it is my late Guruji,Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji who deserves all the praise and credit...I was truly inspired by him to READ as much as I could about Hindu Philosophy from whatever source I could lay my hands on... Thanks once again... L.Y.Rao. > > Om > > > > Dear Sir, > > After a long time very well written and balanced post is seen on this > thread. > > I appreciate the views expressed. > > As a mantra shastri having studied the subject In parmpara I can agree that > inept handling of tantra mantra and yantra is useless. > > In modern time rarely these practices yield desired result for it is > difficult to fulfill the right procedure. > > Search for daivayaga who knows mantra tantra etc adequately is rare. > > Incidentally the cause lies in non publication of literature and practices > being known as; are unfit for modern life. > > Sharadatilak is fundamental book a few others are also but very little is > published. > > Best quote I remember in this context is simple. > > Planets become favorable to one who is harmless(1), who possess self > control(2) and who has earned wealth through virtuous means (3)and who > always observes religious disciplines (4). > > Planets do not catch him. No remedies are needed for them. > > With regards. > > > > > > R.C.Srivastava[Astrologer] > > http://www.cosmograce.com > > 9412268768. > > > On > Behalf Of Yogesh Rao Lajmi > Monday, April 20, 2009 9:03 PM > Viswanathan Manicketh Krishnan Nair > Cc: > Re: Yantra,Tantra & Mantra... > > > > Dear Viswanathan, > > Astrology is a Vedanga...is what I had stated at the > very outset... > > Our Vedas have several angas,of which Astrology is > one... > > Tantra,Mantra and Yantra,it is claimed, do have some > effects on Humans...and similar claims are also made by the exponents of > Black Magic,too... > > The " Rationalist's Association " of Bangalore have on > TV demonstrated beyond > > doubt that no Tantrik can perform whatever he claims...he can... > > Faith and belief unfortunately coincide quite > bizarely...mostly in the gullible...less-informed and the innocent village > folks who are " ripe for the picking " ...! > > Do Tantra,Mantra and Yantra have any cognisable > beneficial effects at all, on a human being,or the environment or Nature or > Prakriti ? > > That is a matter of great debate and > dispute...and most of the time a lot of subjective conjencture... > > The point I was stressing upon,and still like to > stress,is that as per the theory of Karma,nobody or nothing,not even Brahma, > can change the fate/destiny of a human... > > prescribed by Brahma himself,at Birth... > > A lot of research,notably at the Stanford > University,and the Max Planck Institute has shown fairly conclusively that > Prayer is just yet another form of Auto-suggestion,albeit more > powerful...similar research in many Institutes around the world point to the > fact that Tantra,Mantra and Yantra are also different forms of > Auto-suggestion... > > I wish you to read the publications of The Kundalini > Research Foundation , > > founded by the late Pt.Gopi Krishna of Srinagar...and also the many books > written by him,notably > > 'Kundalini Yoga', 'The Essence of Yoga', and 'Higher Conciousness' > ...where-in all these... Yantra Tantra and Mantra and their so-called > efficacy have been discussed and explained... > > You are also recommended to read the following > books on Tantra & Mantra... > > 1. Tantra by Philip Rawson Publisher Thames & > Hudson,London...and > > 2. Yantra by Madhu Khanna...Publisher Thames & > London... > > Both books are profusely illustrated and essentially > promote the basic thought that Tantra and Yantra are two different paths to > achieve " Freedom from Rebirth " , or Moksha or Nirvana...or Salvation...and in > a similar manner Mantra is also yet another path to achieve Moksha etc. > > Since most of the books on Mantra are in > Sanskrit,a language,I am ashamed to acknowledge,I do not know at all...I > cannot recommend any book...but I'm sure there must be some good books on > the subject... > > The gist of all the above is only > that...Tantra,Mantra or Yantra were never originally designed to > change/modify one's Kaarmic Destiny/Fate...they were different paths towards > the same goal...Moksha... > > I hope that I have been able to drive home some > home-truths...effectively... > > Wishing you the very best, > > L.Y.Rao. > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > _____ > > Viswanathan Manicketh Krishnan Nair <viswanathan1961 > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 > Monday, 20 April, 2009 4:16:16 PM > Re: Yantra,Tantra & Mantra... > > > Sir > > > > Yantra and Tantra or Mantra can modify certain things like marriage, > enimity, etc. > > We have been using these yantra etc. effectively for a long time now. > > > > They have their own efficacy. The results are favourable. Many astrologers > (except KP Astrologers) do recommend yantra for many life events / problems. > Yantras are stated in vedas of which Astrology forms part. > > > > Rgds > > MK Viswanath > > > > --- On Fri, 17/4/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 > Yantra,Tantra & Mantra... > " Mr.Viswanathan " <viswanathan1961 > Friday, 17 April, 2009, 8:18 PM > > > > Dear Mr.Wiswanathan, > > > > I am a professional astrologer,and practising > Krishnamurthi Padhdhati,successfully,since the late seventies... > > I have a few queries haunting me,as a true > Hindu and an inquiring Saraswat Brahmin... > > 1. Astrology is a Vedanga,and has,over time, > developed into a Science whereby,one is able to decipher/unveil one's > Fate...as ordained by Bramha,at one's birth... > > > > 2. Also,there are quite a few > examples cited in our Hindu Literature,to illustrate that Fate or Destiny > cannot be altered/modified by anybody or anything...like the stories of Nala > & Damayanti,as well as Raja Harishchandra... > > Because Fate/Destiny is > determined by one's Karma,Sanchita Karma,Prarabdha Karma and Agami Karma... > > > > 3. We have control only over our > Agami Karma,and no control on our > > Sanchita Karma(accumulated Karma),and on our Prarabdha Karma...we can > exercise control and influence over our Agami Karma, however...which is why > a good/honest/selfless way of life,and surrender to the Will of God is > recommended... > > > > 4. The question now arises is that... " How > can Yantra,Tantra or Mantra help in modifying or changing one's > FATE/DESTINY...at all ... " > > > > 5. Or, it this a way of fleecing the > gullible and the innocent,and the ignorant masses obtaining in India...? In > the past,I have challenged many a Tantrik,Vaidik,Gem-dealer,and Maantriks to > demonstrate A SINGLE AUTHENTICATED CASE OF RELIEF/BENEFIT obtained directly > attributable to Tantra/Mantra/Yantra,wearing of gems etc... > > > > 6. The least I can request you is to > please explain to me the mechanics of how these Yantras/Tantric > exercises/figures/and Mantra help in modifying one's Fate... > > > > I am keenly looking forward to your > enlightening me on the subjects mentioned above... > > I shall be deeply obliged and remain ever > grateful to you... > > With highest regards, > > L.Y.Rao. > > > _____ > > Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname Sign up > now! > <http://in.rd./tagline_dbid_15/*http:/in.promos./address> > > > > _____ > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. > <http://in.rd./tagline_messenger_6/*http:/messenger./invit > e/> > > > > _____ > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. 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Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Dear Viswanath Mr.KSK is non believer of Karma theory. He was not in favour of Yantra,Tantra and Mantra. He believes only the starlord and sublord. Yantra, Tantra and Mantra are not in KP. Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 4/21/09, MK Viswanath <astrologervishy_nair wrote: MK Viswanath <astrologervishy_nairRe: Re: Yantra,Tantra & Mantra... Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 4:48 AM Shri Yogesh Rao Lajmi ji Thanks for your msg. Yantra and Mantra has got its own efficacy. Many astrologers prescribe it as a remedial measure like gem stones are being prescribed by Astrologers. Rgds MK Viswanath --- On Mon, 20/4/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 Re: Yantra,Tantra & Mantra..."Viswanathan Manicketh Krishnan Nair" <viswanathan1961Cc: Date: Monday, 20 April, 2009, 9:03 PM Dear Viswanathan, Astrology is a Vedanga...is what I had stated at the very outset... Our Vedas have several angas,of which Astrology is one... Tantra,Mantra and Yantra,it is claimed, do have some effects on Humans...and similar claims are also made by the exponents of Black Magic,too... The "Rationalist's Association" of Bangalore have on TV demonstrated beyond doubt that no Tantrik can perform whatever he claims...he can... Faith and belief unfortunately coincide quite bizarely...mostly in the gullible...less-informed and the innocent village folks who are "ripe for the picking"...! Do Tantra,Mantra and Yantra have any cognisable beneficial effects at all, on a human being,or the environment or Nature or Prakriti ? That is a matter of great debate and dispute...and most of the time a lot of subjective conjencture... The point I was stressing upon,and still like to stress,is that as per the theory of Karma,nobody or nothing,not even Brahma, can change the fate/destiny of a human... prescribed by Brahma himself,at Birth... A lot of research,notably at the Stanford University,and the Max Planck Institute has shown fairly conclusively that Prayer is just yet another form of Auto-suggestion,albeit more powerful...similar research in many Institutes around the world point to the fact that Tantra,Mantra and Yantra are also different forms of Auto-suggestion... I wish you to read the publications of The Kundalini Research Foundation , founded by the late Pt.Gopi Krishna of Srinagar...and also the many books written by him,notably 'Kundalini Yoga', 'The Essence of Yoga', and 'Higher Conciousness' ...where-in all these... Yantra Tantra and Mantra and their so-called efficacy have been discussed and explained... You are also recommended to read the following books on Tantra & Mantra... 1. Tantra by Philip Rawson Publisher Thames & Hudson,London...and 2. Yantra by Madhu Khanna...Publisher Thames & London... Both books are profusely illustrated and essentially promote the basic thought that Tantra and Yantra are two different paths to achieve "Freedom from Rebirth", or Moksha or Nirvana...or Salvation...and in a similar manner Mantra is also yet another path to achieve Moksha etc. Since most of the books on Mantra are in Sanskrit,a language,I am ashamed to acknowledge,I do not know at all...I cannot recommend any book...but I'm sure there must be some good books on the subject... The gist of all the above is only that...Tantra,Mantra or Yantra were never originally designed to change/modify one's Kaarmic Destiny/Fate...they were different paths towards the same goal...Moksha... I hope that I have been able to drive home some home-truths...effectively... Wishing you the very best, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Viswanathan Manicketh Krishnan Nair <viswanathan1961Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Monday, 20 April, 2009 4:16:16 PMRe: Yantra,Tantra & Mantra... Sir Yantra and Tantra or Mantra can modify certain things like marriage, enimity, etc. We have been using these yantra etc. effectively for a long time now. They have their own efficacy. The results are favourable. Many astrologers (except KP Astrologers) do recommend yantra for many life events / problems. Yantras are stated in vedas of which Astrology forms part. Rgds MK Viswanath --- On Fri, 17/4/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Yantra,Tantra & Mantra..."Mr.Viswanathan" <viswanathan1961Friday, 17 April, 2009, 8:18 PM Dear Mr.Wiswanathan, I am a professional astrologer,and practising Krishnamurthi Padhdhati,successfully,since the late seventies... I have a few queries haunting me,as a true Hindu and an inquiring Saraswat Brahmin... 1. Astrology is a Vedanga,and has,over time, developed into a Science whereby,one is able to decipher/unveil one's Fate...as ordained by Bramha,at one's birth... 2. Also,there are quite a few examples cited in our Hindu Literature,to illustrate that Fate or Destiny cannot be altered/modified by anybody or anything....like the stories of Nala & Damayanti,as well as Raja Harishchandra... Because Fate/Destiny is determined by one's Karma,Sanchita Karma,Prarabdha Karma and Agami Karma... 3. We have control only over our Agami Karma,and no control on our Sanchita Karma(accumulated Karma),and on our Prarabdha Karma...we can exercise control and influence over our Agami Karma, however...which is why a good/honest/selfless way of life,and surrender to the Will of God is recommended... 4. The question now arises is that..." How can Yantra,Tantra or Mantra help in modifying or changing one's FATE/DESTINY...at all ..." 5. Or, it this a way of fleecing the gullible and the innocent,and the ignorant masses obtaining in India...? In the past,I have challenged many a Tantrik,Vaidik,Gem-dealer,and Maantriks to demonstrate A SINGLE AUTHENTICATED CASE OF RELIEF/BENEFIT obtained directly attributable to Tantra/Mantra/Yantra,wearing of gems etc... 6. The least I can request you is to please explain to me the mechanics of how these Yantras/Tantric exercises/figures/and Mantra help in modifying one's Fate... I am keenly looking forward to your enlightening me on the subjects mentioned above... I shall be deeply obliged and remain ever grateful to you... With highest regards, L.Y.Rao. Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname. Sign up now! Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Dear Sri Dhanabalan Ji, Namaskar, No doubt, what you said about yantras, mantras and tantras is correct. I too agree that our Great Master, Late Sri.KSK is a non-beleiver of all these. But if the above said mantras etc. are prescribed to our clients, their minds will be concentrated on them and they feel happy if we say nothing bad will happen if you perform all these ." A patient will be going to die in a few days even then the Doctor says nothing will be happened to him." -just only to give solace and peace to the patient and his relatives. Like that we being astrologers we have to divert their minds towards the poojas, japas, etc etc. only. This is only to give mental strength to our clients who approache us. Thanking you Sir, Astrologically yours, Mr.VSN. Murthy, K.P.Astrologer,Sri Datta Sai Ram Astro Centre,#404, Teja Gardens Apartments,Prakashnagar, KURNOOL-518004.Cell:-09449220874; 09293138387;Phone:-08518-324184; 08518-276286.E-mail I.D.:-vsnm_vdl--- On Sat, 25/4/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Re: Yantra,Tantra & Mantra... Date: Saturday, 25 April, 2009, 6:46 PM Dear Viswanath Mr.KSK is non believer of Karma theory. He was not in favour of Yantra,Tantra and Mantra. He believes only the starlord and sublord. Yantra, Tantra and Mantra are not in KP. Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 4/21/09, MK Viswanath <astrologervishy_nair wrote: MK Viswanath <astrologervishy_nairRe: Re: Yantra,Tantra & Mantra... Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 4:48 AM Shri Yogesh Rao Lajmi ji Thanks for your msg. Yantra and Mantra has got its own efficacy. Many astrologers prescribe it as a remedial measure like gem stones are being prescribed by Astrologers. Rgds MK Viswanath --- On Mon, 20/4/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 Re: Yantra,Tantra & Mantra..."Viswanathan Manicketh Krishnan Nair" <viswanathan1961Cc: Date: Monday, 20 April, 2009, 9:03 PM Dear Viswanathan, Astrology is a Vedanga...is what I had stated at the very outset... Our Vedas have several angas,of which Astrology is one... Tantra,Mantra and Yantra,it is claimed, do have some effects on Humans...and similar claims are also made by the exponents of Black Magic,too... The "Rationalist's Association" of Bangalore have on TV demonstrated beyond doubt that no Tantrik can perform whatever he claims...he can... Faith and belief unfortunately coincide quite bizarely...mostly in the gullible...less-informed and the innocent village folks who are "ripe for the picking"...! Do Tantra,Mantra and Yantra have any cognisable beneficial effects at all, on a human being,or the environment or Nature or Prakriti ? That is a matter of great debate and dispute...and most of the time a lot of subjective conjencture... The point I was stressing upon,and still like to stress,is that as per the theory of Karma,nobody or nothing,not even Brahma, can change the fate/destiny of a human... prescribed by Brahma himself,at Birth... A lot of research,notably at the Stanford University,and the Max Planck Institute has shown fairly conclusively that Prayer is just yet another form of Auto-suggestion,albeit more powerful...similar research in many Institutes around the world point to the fact that Tantra,Mantra and Yantra are also different forms of Auto-suggestion... I wish you to read the publications of The Kundalini Research Foundation , founded by the late Pt.Gopi Krishna of Srinagar...and also the many books written by him,notably 'Kundalini Yoga', 'The Essence of Yoga', and 'Higher Conciousness' ...where-in all these... Yantra Tantra and Mantra and their so-called efficacy have been discussed and explained... You are also recommended to read the following books on Tantra & Mantra... 1. Tantra by Philip Rawson Publisher Thames & Hudson,London...and 2. Yantra by Madhu Khanna...Publisher Thames & London... Both books are profusely illustrated and essentially promote the basic thought that Tantra and Yantra are two different paths to achieve "Freedom from Rebirth", or Moksha or Nirvana...or Salvation...and in a similar manner Mantra is also yet another path to achieve Moksha etc. Since most of the books on Mantra are in Sanskrit,a language,I am ashamed to acknowledge,I do not know at all...I cannot recommend any book...but I'm sure there must be some good books on the subject... The gist of all the above is only that...Tantra,Mantra or Yantra were never originally designed to change/modify one's Kaarmic Destiny/Fate...they were different paths towards the same goal...Moksha... I hope that I have been able to drive home some home-truths...effectively... Wishing you the very best, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Viswanathan Manicketh Krishnan Nair <viswanathan1961Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Monday, 20 April, 2009 4:16:16 PMRe: Yantra,Tantra & Mantra... Sir Yantra and Tantra or Mantra can modify certain things like marriage, enimity, etc. We have been using these yantra etc. effectively for a long time now. They have their own efficacy. The results are favourable. Many astrologers (except KP Astrologers) do recommend yantra for many life events / problems. Yantras are stated in vedas of which Astrology forms part. Rgds MK Viswanath --- On Fri, 17/4/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Yantra,Tantra & Mantra..."Mr.Viswanathan" <viswanathan1961Friday, 17 April, 2009, 8:18 PM Dear Mr.Wiswanathan, I am a professional astrologer,and practising Krishnamurthi Padhdhati,successfully,since the late seventies... I have a few queries haunting me,as a true Hindu and an inquiring Saraswat Brahmin... 1. Astrology is a Vedanga,and has,over time, developed into a Science whereby,one is able to decipher/unveil one's Fate...as ordained by Bramha,at one's birth... 2. Also,there are quite a few examples cited in our Hindu Literature,to illustrate that Fate or Destiny cannot be altered/modified by anybody or anything....like the stories of Nala & Damayanti,as well as Raja Harishchandra... Because Fate/Destiny is determined by one's Karma,Sanchita Karma,Prarabdha Karma and Agami Karma... 3. We have control only over our Agami Karma,and no control on our Sanchita Karma(accumulated Karma),and on our Prarabdha Karma...we can exercise control and influence over our Agami Karma, however...which is why a good/honest/selfless way of life,and surrender to the Will of God is recommended... 4. The question now arises is that..." How can Yantra,Tantra or Mantra help in modifying or changing one's FATE/DESTINY...at all ..." 5. Or, it this a way of fleecing the gullible and the innocent,and the ignorant masses obtaining in India...? In the past,I have challenged many a Tantrik,Vaidik,Gem-dealer,and Maantriks to demonstrate A SINGLE AUTHENTICATED CASE OF RELIEF/BENEFIT obtained directly attributable to Tantra/Mantra/Yantra,wearing of gems etc... 6. The least I can request you is to please explain to me the mechanics of how these Yantras/Tantric exercises/figures/and Mantra help in modifying one's Fate... I am keenly looking forward to your enlightening me on the subjects mentioned above... I shall be deeply obliged and remain ever grateful to you... With highest regards, L.Y.Rao. Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname. Sign up now! Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Cricket on your mind? 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