MK rule of birth time rectification - some clarification needed

June 14, 2009

Recently I went through a document about " MK rule for birth time rectification.

The Rule seems simple and handy. I want to know, is there any research went as

similar to the MPS rule about the reliability of this rule. In simple words the

rule states the connectivity of Asc sublord with moon's star/sub lords. Then if

moon itself comes as the Asc sublord, will that situation binds to the rules

defined. For example let the Asc sub lord be moon and there is no other

connection in star/sub lord level of moon, Then cann't we consider this as a

connection of Asc with Moon? Another circumstatnce is Lagna and moon star lord

are same but not at sublord level?

Another problem with the rule is, I checked the example in the document using JH

software, there I got different SSL and SSSL for the same data, So I think,

going as deep to SSSL level with the help of even software may lead to erronous

output.

MK rule document one method of rectification based on sex of the person which is

bit confusing and need more clarification with examples. Is there any way to

rectify the birth time with the horary number collected from the person came for

analysis and finding the ruling planets from that chart.

Once when we find a connection between Asc sublord and moon, then is there any

need for further rectification. Because the client won't give the birth time

correct to seconds, but when we rectify the birth time, we get time correct to

seconds. But relaying on ruling planets at time of analysis creates anothor

problem like, our watch may not be as much correct to seconds with IST, so that

we can get ruling palnets up to the sublord level. Then How do we rectify the

birthtime with ruling planet, Mostly our watch have an error of +/-3 min with

actual IST.

Another doubt is, suppose one rectified a birth time using ruling planet at the

time of analysis, and If another person try to rectify the same horoscope at

some other time, will he be arrive at the same rectified time, because the

ruling planet in the second time may be different.

Please clarify my doubts.

June 14, 2009

Dear Venkit,

This is what i told in the earlier E-mail about the accuracy in the calculation under the topic "UTMOST ACCURACY".

For your last paragraph about RBT by different person at different time will it be same?

To find the how RP works with various people around the world you can POST one birth chart with date/time/place including latitude/longitude value (with some minute modification or without modification) to the forum members and request them to check the birth time and rectify it (if necessary) based on the individual RP and let them post it for the forum members discussion. This will answer your question.

Hope the members will agree my statement.

GOOD LUCK!

Regards,

D.Senthil

--- On Sun, 6/14/09, venkit_subbiah <venkit_subbiah wrote:

venkit_subbiah <venkit_subbiah MK rule of birth time rectification - some clarification needed Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 2:17 AM

Recently I went through a document about "MK rule for birth time rectification. The Rule seems simple and handy. I want to know, is there any research went as similar to the MPS rule about the reliability of this rule. In simple words the rule states the connectivity of Asc sublord with moon's star/sub lords. Then if moon itself comes as the Asc sublord, will that situation binds to the rules defined. For example let the Asc sub lord be moon and there is no other connection in star/sub lord level of moon, Then cann't we consider this as a connection of Asc with Moon? Another circumstatnce is Lagna and moon star lord are same but not at sublord level?Another problem with the rule is, I checked the example in the document using JH software, there I got different SSL and SSSL for the same data, So I think, going as deep to SSSL level with the help of even software may lead to erronous output.MK rule document one method of rectification

based on sex of the person which is bit confusing and need more clarification with examples. Is there any way to rectify the birth time with the horary number collected from the person came for analysis and finding the ruling planets from that chart. Once when we find a connection between Asc sublord and moon, then is there any need for further rectification. Because the client won't give the birth time correct to seconds, but when we rectify the birth time, we get time correct to seconds. But relaying on ruling planets at time of analysis creates anothor problem like, our watch may not be as much correct to seconds with IST, so that we can get ruling palnets up to the sublord level. Then How do we rectify the birthtime with ruling planet, Mostly our watch have an error of +/-3 min with actual IST.Another doubt is, suppose one rectified a birth time using ruling planet at the time of analysis, and If another person try to rectify the

same horoscope at some other time, will he be arrive at the same rectified time, because the ruling planet in the second time may be different.Please clarify my doubts.

June 14, 2009

Dear Friends,Varied RPs cannot give the same rectified birth time.Regards,tw

1. In the conclusion of K. Baskaran's "Secrets of RP &

the Birth Time" (1999, pp 94-96) that four astrologers got varied RPs for

the same chart by the same Rule. 2. Narhari Khake also got different RPs in three tests for the

same doubtful chart by the same Rule. (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) 3.UNFORTUNATELY, AS FAR AS MY KNOWLEGE GOES, THERE IS NO SUCH

COMMON SOLUTTION. (K.P.KUPPU GANAPATHI)

/message/5054--- In , Senthil <athi_ram wrote:>> Dear Venkit,> > This is what i told in the earlier E-mail about the accuracy in the calculation under the topic "UTMOST ACCURACY".> > For your last paragraph about RBT by different person at different time will it be same?> > To find the how RP works with various people around the world you can POST one birth chart with date/time/place including latitude/longitude value (with some minute modification or without modification) to the forum members and request them to check the birth time and rectify it (if necessary) based on the individual RP and let them post it for the forum members discussion. This will answer your question.> > Hope the members will agree my statement.> > GOOD LUCK!> > Regards,> > D.Senthil> > > > > --- On Sun, 6/14/09, venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah wrote:> > > venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah MK rule of birth time rectification - some clarification needed> > Sunday, June 14, 2009, 2:17 AM> > > > > > > > > Recently I went through a document about "MK rule for birth time rectification. The Rule seems simple and handy. I want to know, is there any research went as similar to the MPS rule about the reliability of this rule. In simple words the rule states the connectivity of Asc sublord with moon's star/sub lords. Then if moon itself comes as the Asc sublord, will that situation binds to the rules defined. For example let the Asc sub lord be moon and there is no other connection in star/sub lord level of moon, Then cann't we consider this as a connection of Asc with Moon? Another circumstatnce is Lagna and moon star lord are same but not at sublord level?> > Another problem with the rule is, I checked the example in the document using JH software, there I got different SSL and SSSL for the same data, So I think, going as deep to SSSL level with the help of even software may lead to erronous output.> > MK rule document one method of rectification based on sex of the person which is bit confusing and need more clarification with examples. Is there any way to rectify the birth time with the horary number collected from the person came for analysis and finding the ruling planets from that chart. > > Once when we find a connection between Asc sublord and moon, then is there any need for further rectification. Because the client won't give the birth time correct to seconds, but when we rectify the birth time, we get time correct to seconds. But relaying on ruling planets at time of analysis creates anothor problem like, our watch may not be as much correct to seconds with IST, so that we can get ruling palnets up to the sublord level. Then How do we rectify the birthtime with ruling planet, Mostly our watch have an error of +/-3 min with actual IST.> > Another doubt is, suppose one rectified a birth time using ruling planet at the time of analysis, and If another person try to rectify the same horoscope at some other time, will he be arrive at the same rectified time, because the ruling planet in the second time may be different.> > Please clarify my doubts.>

June 14, 2009

Pranam All,Senthilji is right. Let us try to test it. we have to have a reliable technique for RBT.regardsVGR--- On Sun, 14/6/09, Senthil <athi_ram wrote:Senthil <athi_ramRe: MK rule of birth time rectification - some clarification needed Date: Sunday, 14 June, 2009, 5:25 PM

Dear Venkit,

This is what i told in the earlier E-mail about the accuracy in the calculation under the topic "UTMOST ACCURACY". For your last paragraph about RBT by different person at different time will it be same? To find the how RP works with various people around the world you can POST one birth chart with date/time/place including latitude/longitude value (with some minute modification or without modification) to the forum members and request them to check the birth time and rectify it (if necessary) based on the individual RP and let them post it for the forum members discussion. This will answer your question. Hope the members will agree my statement.

GOOD LUCK!

Regards,

D.Senthil

--- On Sun, 6/14/09, venkit_subbiah <venkit_subbiah@ hotmail.com> wrote:

venkit_subbiah <venkit_subbiah@ hotmail.com> MK rule of birth time rectification - some clarification needed@gro ups.comSunday, June 14, 2009, 2:17 AM

Recently I went through a document about "MK rule for birth time rectification. The Rule seems simple and handy. I want to know, is there any research went as similar to the MPS rule about the reliability of this rule. In simple words the rule states the connectivity of Asc sublord with moon's star/sub lords. Then if moon itself comes as the Asc sublord, will that situation binds to the rules defined. For example let the Asc sub lord be moon and there is no other connection in star/sub lord level of moon, Then cann't we consider this as a connection of Asc with Moon? Another circumstatnce is Lagna and moon star lord are same but not at sublord level?Another problem with the rule is, I checked the example in the document using JH software, there I got different SSL and SSSL for the same data, So I think, going as deep to SSSL level with the help of even software may lead to erronous output.MK rule document one method of rectification

based on sex of the person which is bit confusing and need more clarification with examples. Is there any way to rectify the birth time with the horary number collected from the person came for analysis and finding the ruling planets from that chart. Once when we find a connection between Asc sublord and moon, then is there any need for further rectification. Because the client won't give the birth time correct to seconds, but when we rectify the birth time, we get time correct to seconds. But relaying on ruling planets at time of analysis creates anothor problem like, our watch may not be as much correct to seconds with IST, so that we can get ruling palnets up to the sublord level. Then How do we rectify the birthtime with ruling planet, Mostly our watch have an error of +/-3 min with actual IST.Another doubt is, suppose one rectified a birth time using ruling planet at the time of analysis, and If another person try to rectify the

same horoscope at some other time, will he be arrive at the same rectified time, because the ruling planet in the second time may be different.Please clarify my doubts.

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June 15, 2009

Dear Tw ji and Friends, I have difference of opinion with Tw ji and Kuppu Ganpathi ji on this topic. We must note that it is not necessary to have exactly the same RPs to come up with the same birth time. Generally during BTR process, we know what exactly we want to fix. For example, if the difference of time is in the range of 10 minutes of so, we just want to fix sub lord of the ascendant and it will give us good enough time. If RPs are applied correctly, everybody will get that planet (real sub lord of ascendant of that person) in his list of RPs as a powerful RP and everybody will be able to fix correct time of birth.

Having said that, please allow me to share my mind on RP. I have seen many people complaining that they don't get good results with RP. RPs are known as divine tool. I define divine nature of RP using three parameters - urge, 'faith in RP' and 'clarity of mind' of the astrologer. A lot has been discussed about the urge in KP. Truly speaking, as I gain more experience in KP, I feel that the other two factors faith and 'clarity of mind' are more important than urge. 'Faith in RP' plays very important role in getting correct results from RP. Most importantly, I have seen that I don't get good help from RP when I don't have clarity of my mind. I believe that peace of mind of an astrologer or focussed mind is very very important if an astrologer wants to take help from RP.

So in absence of urge, faith and clarity of mind, people get different level of support from RP. In the quoted experiment people came up with different birth time, because RPs have not rendered the same level of support to all participants. I may sound irrational at this point of time and can be criticized for this unscientific thinking. Especially associating urge, faith and concentration of mind (that can not be measured) with seemingly scientific KP system seems like a bad idea. Though this is one of the most important lesson of KP that is not found in KP books and I thought I would share it with forum members, however illogical it may sound.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 7:32 PM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Friends,Varied RPs cannot give the same rectified birth time.Regards,tw

1. In the conclusion of K. Baskaran's " Secrets of RP &

the Birth Time " (1999, pp 94-96) that four astrologers got varied RPs for

the same chart by the same Rule. 2. Narhari Khake also got different RPs in three tests for the

same doubtful chart by the same Rule. (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) 3.UNFORTUNATELY, AS FAR AS MY KNOWLEGE GOES, THERE IS NO SUCH

COMMON SOLUTTION. (K.P.KUPPU GANAPATHI)

/message/5054--- In , Senthil <athi_ram wrote:

>> Dear Venkit,> > This is what i told in the earlier E-mail about the accuracy in the calculation under the topic " UTMOST ACCURACY " .> > For your last paragraph about RBT by different person at different time will it be same?

> > To find the how RP works with various people around the world you can POST one birth chart with date/time/place including latitude/longitude value (with some minute modification or without modification) to the forum members and request them to check the birth time and rectify it (if necessary) based on the individual RP and let them post it for the forum members discussion. This will answer your question.

> > Hope the members will agree my statement.> > GOOD LUCK!> > Regards,> > D.Senthil> > > > > --- On Sun, 6/14/09, venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah wrote:

> > > venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah MK rule of birth time rectification - some clarification needed>

> Sunday, June 14, 2009, 2:17 AM> > > > > > > > > Recently I went through a document about " MK rule for birth time rectification. The Rule seems simple and handy. I want to know, is there any research went as similar to the MPS rule about the reliability of this rule. In simple words the rule states the connectivity of Asc sublord with moon's star/sub lords. Then if moon itself comes as the Asc sublord, will that situation binds to the rules defined. For example let the Asc sub lord be moon and there is no other connection in star/sub lord level of moon, Then cann't we consider this as a connection of Asc with Moon? Another circumstatnce is Lagna and moon star lord are same but not at sublord level?

> > Another problem with the rule is, I checked the example in the document using JH software, there I got different SSL and SSSL for the same data, So I think, going as deep to SSSL level with the help of even software may lead to erronous output.

> > MK rule document one method of rectification based on sex of the person which is bit confusing and need more clarification with examples. Is there any way to rectify the birth time with the horary number collected from the person came for analysis and finding the ruling planets from that chart.

> > Once when we find a connection between Asc sublord and moon, then is there any need for further rectification. Because the client won't give the birth time correct to seconds, but when we rectify the birth time, we get time correct to seconds. But relaying on ruling planets at time of analysis creates anothor problem like, our watch may not be as much correct to seconds with IST, so that we can get ruling palnets up to the sublord level. Then How do we rectify the birthtime with ruling planet, Mostly our watch have an error of +/-3 min with actual IST.

> > Another doubt is, suppose one rectified a birth time using ruling planet at the time of analysis, and If another person try to rectify the same horoscope at some other time, will he be arrive at the same rectified time, because the ruling planet in the second time may be different.

> > Please clarify my doubts.>

June 15, 2009

Dear TW/Members,

Yes RP is a devine tool and I agree with punit. As I suggested earlier, we all do one simple exercise (hope it will not take much time) for checking birth time using RP for RBT (if necessary). May be venkit/TW or any of our forum member can post one natal chart which they may feel that more correct (with some minutes correction or without correction) for testing the RP at different place.

I hope all will get some clue through RP to arrive the correct birth time. Let us do one simple exercise.

GOOD LUCK!

D.Senthil

--- On Mon, 6/15/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: MK rule of birth time rectification - some clarification needed Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 4:14 AM

Dear Tw ji and Friends,

I have difference of opinion with Tw ji and Kuppu Ganpathi ji on this topic. We must note that it is not necessary to have exactly the same RPs to come up with the same birth time. Generally during BTR process, we know what exactly we want to fix. For example, if the difference of time is in the range of 10 minutes of so, we just want to fix sub lord of the ascendant and it will give us good enough time. If RPs are applied correctly, everybody will get that planet (real sub lord of ascendant of that person) in his list of RPs as a powerful RP and everybody will be able to fix correct time of birth.

Having said that, please allow me to share my mind on RP. I have seen many people complaining that they don't get good results with RP. RPs are known as divine tool. I define divine nature of RP using three parameters - urge, 'faith in RP' and 'clarity of mind' of the astrologer. A lot has been discussed about the urge in KP. Truly speaking, as I gain more experience in KP, I feel that the other two factors faith and 'clarity of mind' are more important than urge. 'Faith in RP' plays very important role in getting correct results from RP. Most importantly, I have seen that I don't get good help from RP when I don't have clarity of my mind. I believe that peace of mind of an astrologer or focussed mind is very very important if an astrologer wants to take help from RP.

So in absence of urge, faith and clarity of mind, people get different level of support from RP. In the quoted experiment people came up with different birth time, because RPs have not rendered the same level of support to all participants. I may sound irrational at this point of time and can be criticized for this unscientific thinking. Especially associating urge, faith and concentration of mind (that can not be measured) with seemingly scientific KP system seems like a bad idea. Though this is one of the most important lesson of KP that is not found in KP books and I thought I would share it with forum members, however illogical it may sound.

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 7:32 PM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

Dear Friends,Varied RPs cannot give the same rectified birth time.Regards,tw

1. In the conclusion of K. Baskaran's "Secrets of RP & the Birth Time" (1999, pp 94-96) that four astrologers got varied RPs for the same chart by the same

Rule.

nbsp; 2. Narhari Khake also got different RPs in three tests for the same doubtful chart by the same Rule. (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) 3.UNFORTUNATELY, AS FAR AS MY KNOWLEGE GOES, THERE IS NO SUCH COMMON SOLUTTION. (K.P.KUPPU GANAPATHI) http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 5054

@gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram wrote:>> Dear Venkit,> > This is what i told in the earlier E-mail about the accuracy in the calculation under the topic "UTMOST ACCURACY".> > For your last paragraph about RBT by different person at different time will it be same?> > To find the how RP works with various people around the world you can POST one birth chart with date/time/place including latitude/longitude value (with some minute modification or without modification) to the forum members and request them to check the birth time and rectify it (if necessary) based on the individual RP and let them post it for the forum members discussion. This will answer your

question.> > Hope the members will agree my statement.> > GOOD LUCK!> > Regards,> > D.Senthil> > > > > --- On Sun, 6/14/09, venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah@ ... wrote:> > > venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah@ ...

> MK rule of birth time rectification - some clarification needed> @gro ups.com> Sunday, June 14, 2009, 2:17 AM> > > > > > > > > Recently I went through a document about "MK rule for birth time rectification. The Rule seems simple and handy. I want to know, is there any research went as similar to the MPS rule about the reliability of this rule. In simple words the rule states the connectivity of Asc sublord with moon's star/sub lords. Then if moon itself comes as the Asc sublord, will that situation binds to the rules defined. For example let the Asc sub lord be moon and there is no other connection in star/sub lord level of moon, Then cann't we consider

this as a connection of Asc with Moon? Another circumstatnce is Lagna and moon star lord are same but not at sublord level?> > Another problem with the rule is, I checked the example in the document using JH software, there I got different SSL and SSSL for the same data, So I think, going as deep to SSSL level with the help of even software may lead to erronous output.> > MK rule document one method of rectification based on sex of the person which is bit confusing and need more clarification with examples. Is there any way to rectify the birth time with the horary number collected from the person came for analysis and finding the ruling planets from that chart. > > Once when we find a connection between Asc sublord and moon, then is there any need for further rectification. Because the client won't give the birth time correct to seconds, but when we rectify the birth time, we get time correct to seconds. But

relaying on ruling planets at time of analysis creates anothor problem like, our watch may not be as much correct to seconds with IST, so that we can get ruling palnets up to the sublord level. Then How do we rectify the birthtime with ruling planet, Mostly our watch have an error of +/-3 min with actual IST.> > Another doubt is, suppose one rectified a birth time using ruling planet at the time of analysis, and If another person try to rectify the same horoscope at some other time, will he be arrive at the same rectified time, because the ruling planet in the second time may be different.> > Please clarify my doubts.>

June 15, 2009

Dear Punit ji,I fully agree with your statement.When real urge is there, RPs show the clue. If the clarity of mind is not present, we could not understand their significations. Further, we can not expect the judgment RPs will always directly connect to the natal RPs. If the mind is clearer, we can fnd the indirect relatioship and the BTR may not be required also. This is my humble opinion only. May be senior Astrologers can give thier advice.

RegardsAdithOn Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: