MK rule of birth time rectification - some clarification needed

June 17, 2009

Dear all,

I agree with Shri Yogesh Lajmi ji.

My own recorded birth time, was corrected by 4 persons on different

years and different places and all came to the same verdict.

My recorded birth time was 10.14am.

1) I personally corrected my birth time from RP's to 10.15am.

2) Next year I met Shri Guruji Sahasne with my chart. He too corrected

to the same time 10.15am from the RP's at the moment I met him.

3) A year later I met a KP Professor from Bhartiya Vidya Bhuvan, Shri

Sukhdev Purani, a very knowledgable person, Bombay, who corrected the BT

to 10.15 am. from the RPs at moment we were sitting together and

discussing this.

4) I met Shri Yogi Karve who also corrected my BT to 10.16 (Through his

own methods of course, we do not know what)

At least in above first 3 cases the timings are taken further away by 1

minute on different days, months and years, and none of them was hinted

of what correction was made by the other astrologer. All were done at

Bombay. All were done in my presence. Unfortunately I do not have those

moments of RP's recorded, but for those who believe, this is it, and the

truth. This is a first person account and I do not wish to mislead the

students in KP, but enforce and affirm that RP's are a integral part and

an important part of this study of KP, and if used well ( and not

wantonly) , they will surely guide a person who looks for knowledge with

a strong aspiration and urge for same.

regards/Bhaskar.

, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

>

> Dear TIN WIN,

> I completely disagree with you...the Ruling

Planet Theory has stood the Test of Time...

> and it has been repeatedly demonstrated that the Ruling Planets at

Birth, play an important role throughout one's life and will be found

ruling every major event in one's life...careful selection of the most

fruitful RPs is the art of the science...!

> Kindly check up some old issues of Astrology

and Athrishta the precursor to K.P. & Astrology Magazine...

> After years of diligence and devotion and

practice,it is possible to develop the faculty of intuition...which will

help pin-pointedly choose unerringly, the correct Ruling Planets...such

K.P. astrologers,blessed with powerful intuitive powers, we might come

across very rarely...but they do exist...and are not so rare as we might

presume...true,some are God-gifted but most have developed it,over

time...

> Swami Vivekananda had stressed and

recommended that our Intuitive mind keeps telling us many things,all

the time,and that simply by listening to him every time,one can develop

a powerful intuitive faculty...but our so-calledrational and logical

thinking prevents us from paying heed to it...over time our intuitive

mind just stops telling us...anything...unfortunately...(Result of

Modern Education ? !).

> Every astrologer in order to excell in

predictive techniques must devote time to develop intuitive

powers...else he will remain an ordinary astrologer(sooth-sayer)...for

life...

> This is my humble suggestion to all budding

astrologers...

> With the very best wishes,

> L.Y.Rao.

> GOOD LUCK !

>

________________________________

> tw853 tw853

>

> Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:58:14 PM

> Re: MK rule of birth time rectification - some

clarification needed

>

> Dear Friends,

> RPs are not one of three pillars of KP ie. Hindu zodiac, Vimshottari

dasa system and Placidus house system. RPs are only a supporting tool

and without using them KP can be practiced.

> Regards,

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear friends

> > I was told that if there is no RP then there is no KP. I was told

that the success of KP is due to RP. At the earlier stage, I approached

five professional KP Astrologers to rectify my birth time, my daughter's

birth time and my son's birth time. All the five gave five different RBT

for each. At the same time, everyone is claiming that their RBT alone

is correct. So I have lost the hope on the KP.

> > Due to the above, Mr.Mohankumar has tried to develop a BTR method

without using RP.

> > I accept that no two astrologers can give same rectified birth time

through RP.

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Tue, 6/16/09, tw853 tw853@ wrote:

> >

> > tw853 tw853@

> > Re: MK rule of birth time rectification - some

clarification needed

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 2:19 AM

> >

> > Dear Punit ji, D.Senthil, Adith and Friends,

> > 1. Could kindly explain what are the particular differences between

my view given below and what is mentioned by Punit ji?

> > In the RPs based BTR methods, the changing RPs depending on time,

place and astrologer and urge may not always be helpful to everybody.

(KP for Beginners: Part 12, KPE-zine Jun 2009)

> > 2. Can RPs as divine tool depending on the seriousness of urge give

a common solution?

> > 3. Could kindly one demonstrate to get the common TOB for your

favorite for next PM Rahul Gandhi for THREE times on THREE different

dates by the same RPs-based BTR method using the following available

information?

> > 5:50 AM, 12:10PM, 12:35PM, 19th of June 1970, New Delhi.

(Msg#11434/24904/ 24912/24919)

> > 3. Could THREE BTR practitioners demonstrate to get the common TOB

for Rahul Gandhi by their preferred DIFFERENT RPs-based BTR methods?.

> > 4. It would be clear if it is mentioned which time is taken as TOB,

the moment when the whole body of child has got separated from the womb

of the mother or the time of first breath or first cry etc..

> > Thanks and regards,

> > tw

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@ .> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear TW/Members,

> > >

> > > Yes RP is a devine tool and I agree with punit. As I suggested

earlier, we all do one simple exercise (hope it will not take much time)

for checking birth time using RP for RBT (if necessary). May be

venkit/TW or any of our forum member can post one natal chart which they

may feel that more correct (with some minutes correction or without

correction) for testing the RP at different place.

> > >

> > > I hope all will get some clue through RP to arrive the correct

birth time.. Let us do one simple exercise.

> > >

> > > GOOD LUCK!

> > >

> > > D.Senthil

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > Re: Re: MK rule of birth time rectification

- some clarification needed

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Monday, June 15, 2009, 4:14 AM

> > >

> > > Dear Tw ji and Friends,

> > >

> > > I have difference of opinion with Tw ji and Kuppu Ganpathi ji on

this topic. We must note that it is not necessary to have exactly the

same RPs to come up with the same birth time. Generally during BTR

process, we know what exactly we want to fix. For example, if the

difference of time is in the range of 10 minutes of so, we just want to

fix sub lord of the ascendant and it will give us good enough time. If

RPs are applied correctly, everybody will get that planet (real sub lord

of ascendant of that person) in his list of RPs as a powerful RP and

everybody will be able to fix correct time of birth.

> > >

> > > Having said that, please allow me to share my mind on RP. I have

seen many people complaining that they don't get good results with RP.

RPs are known as divine tool. I define divine nature of RP using three

parameters - urge, 'faith in RP' and 'clarity of mind' of the

astrologer. A lot has been discussed about the urge in KP. Truly

speaking, as I gain more experience in KP, I feel that the other two

factors faith and 'clarity of mind' are more important than urge.

'Faith in RP' plays very important role in getting correct results from

RP. Most importantly, I have seen that I don't get good help from RP

when I don't have clarity of my mind. I believe that peace of mind of an

astrologer or focussed mind is very very important if an astrologer

wants to take help from RP.

> > >

> > > So in absence of urge, faith and clarity of mind, people get

different level of support from RP. In the quoted experiment people came

up with different birth time, because RPs have not rendered the same

level of support to all participants. I may sound irrational at this

point of time and can be criticized for this unscientific thinking.

Especially associating urge, faith and concentration of mind (that can

not be measured) with seemingly scientific KP system seems like a bad

idea. Though this is one of the most important lesson of KP that is not

found in KP books and I thought I would share it with forum members,

however illogical it may sound.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 7:32 PM, tw853 tw853 > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > Varied RPs cannot give the same rectified birth time.

> > > Regards,

> > > tw

> > >

> > > 1. In the conclusion of K. Baskaran's " Secrets of RP & the Birth

Time " (1999, pp 94-96) that four astrologers got varied RPs for the same

chart by the same Rule.

2. Narhari Khake also got different RPs in three tests for the same

doubtful chart by the same Rule. (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31)

3.UNFORTUNATELY, AS FAR AS MY KNOWLEGE GOES, THERE IS NO SUCH COMMON

SOLUTTION. (K.P.KUPPU GANAPATHI) http://groups.

> > > / group/k_p_ system/message/ 5054

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Venkit,

> > > >

> > > > This is what i told in the earlier E-mail about the accuracy in

the calculation under the topic " UTMOST ACCURACY " .

> > > >

> > > > For your last paragraph about RBT by different person at

different time will it be same?

> > > >

> > > > To find the how RP works with various people around the world

you can POST one birth chart with date/time/place including

latitude/longitude value (with some minute modification or without

modification) to the forum members and request them to check the birth

time and rectify it (if necessary) based on the individual RP and let

them post it for the forum members discussion. This will answer your

question.

> > > >

> > > > Hope the members will agree my statement.

> > > >

> > > > GOOD LUCK!

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > D.Senthil

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 6/14/09, venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah@ ... wrote:

> > > >

> > > > venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah@ ...

> > >

> > > > MK rule of birth time rectification - some

clarification needed

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009, 2:17 AM

> > > >

> > > > Recently I went through a document about " MK rule for birth time

rectification. The Rule seems simple and handy. I want to know, is there

any research went as similar to the MPS rule about the reliability of

this rule. In simple words the rule states the connectivity of Asc

sublord with moon's star/sub lords. Then if moon itself comes as the Asc

sublord, will that situation binds to the rules defined. For example let

the Asc sub lord be moon and there is no other connection in star/sub

lord level of moon, Then cann't we consider this as a connection of Asc

with Moon? Another circumstatnce is Lagna and moon star lord are same

but not at sublord level?

> > > >

> > > > Another problem with the rule is, I checked the example in the

document using JH software, there I got different SSL and SSSL for the

same data, So I think, going as deep to SSSL level with the help of even

software may lead to erronous output.

> > > >

> > > > MK rule document one method of rectification based on sex of the

person which is bit confusing and need more clarification with examples.

Is there any way to rectify the birth time with the horary number

collected from the person came for analysis and finding the ruling

planets from that chart.

> > > >

> > > > Once when we find a connection between Asc sublord and moon,

then is there any need for further rectification. Because the client

won't give the birth time correct to seconds, but when we rectify the

birth time, we get time correct to seconds. But relaying on ruling

planets at time of analysis creates anothor problem like, our watch may

not be as much correct to seconds with IST, so that we can get ruling

palnets up to the sublord level. Then How do we rectify the birthtime

with ruling planet, Mostly our watch have an error of +/-3 min with

actual IST.

> > > >

> > > > Another doubt is, suppose one rectified a birth time using

ruling planet at the time of analysis, and If another person try to

rectify the same horoscope at some other time, will he be arrive at the

same rectified time, because the ruling planet in the second time may be

different.

> > > >

> > > > Please clarify my doubts.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 17, 2009

Dear Yogesh Lajmi,

Who said the system is wrong??

tw

, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

>

> Deaw Tin Win,

> The System is not wrong...the application and the

conclusions drawn are... !

> Yogesh Lajmi

>

> ________________________________

> tw853 <tw853

>

> Wednesday, June 17, 2009 1:09:23 AM

> Re: MK rule of birth time rectification - some

clarification needed

>

> Dear Pundit ji,

>

> 1. What Shri KSK has stated?

> 2. I haven't said anything wright or wrong.

> 3. My stand point is that " all four people CANNOT come

> up with the same (and correct) birth time by the application of RP-based BTR

methods " .

> 4. For my statement hard evidence is already provided there.

> 5. How will all four people with different levels of urge will come up with

the same and correct) birth time by the application of RP-based BRT methods as

you've said?

> Thanks and regards,

> tw

>

> > > >

> @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tw ji,

> >

> > 1. I have only repeated what Shri KSK has stated. RP based BTR is either

> > right or wrong. You can not say that it is wrong when applied by more than

> > one astrologers and right when applied by a single astrologer. Please

> > clarify your stand point.

> >

> > 2. If you feel that it is incorrect, you should provide the hard-evidence

> > because it is against what Shri KSK has said. I know that we can not do that

> > because a) there is no way we can measure urge, b) even we know about our

> > urge, we can not take other people's responsiblity.

> >

> > 3. I do not understand what you find contradictory after thinking and

> > rethinking. Can you please explain?

> >

> > 4. I agree with what you have said in other email that KP can be practised

> > without RPs. If we are not convinced about RP, we should simply ignore them.

> > Though I have personally found them very useful.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:46 PM, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Punit ji,

> > > 1. Could you kindly provide hard evidence that " all four people will come

> > > up with the same (and correct) birth time by the application of RP " by

> > > taking any horoscope for example.

> > > 2. In my understanding by thinking and rethinking the above your statement

> > > and the nature of RPs you've mentioned are contradicting. 3. Let us wait

and

> > > see hard evidence.

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > > tw

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>, Punit

> > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > >

> > > > Please see response to your first three points as follows -

> > > >

> > > > 1. My saying that I have " difference of opinion " is based on my

> > > > understanding of your email. From your earlier email I understand that

> > > you

> > > > mean that if four people are asked to do birth time rectification using

> > > RP,

> > > > they will come up with the different birth time. Is this understanding

of

> > > > your email correct? If this understanding correct, then I have a

> > > difference

> > > > of opinion and according to me, all four people will come up with the

> > > same

> > > > (and correct) birth time by the application of RP.

> > > >

> > > > 2. However, we need to understand the application and limitation of RP.

> > > > Success of RP depends upon the situation where we want to use RP. In the

> > > > last example I have mentioned that if we have just to select a sub lord,

> > > all

> > > > astrologers will come up with the same planet. Though if the birth time

> > > is

> > > > totally unknown or the time-range is quite broad, RP alone will not work

> > > and

> > > > we should use it as a supporting tool for any other method (e.g. event

> > > > basted rectification) that suits to that particular case. RPs alone are

> > > just

> > > > suited for miner events/ time.

> > > >

> > > > 3. In my opinion, Rahul Gandhi's birth time rectification is not a good

> > > test

> > > > case for us due to two reasons - a) we don't have a known range of

> > > > time available with us, so we don't know even RPs are applicable here or

> > > > not. b) Even if we came up with the correct time, there is no way we can

> > > > verify that. If we have to test our skills, we have to test it on some

> > > chart

> > > > where correct birth time is already known. When the astrologer it

putting

> > > > the quiz, he should also give possible time-range where actual birth

time

> > > > falls.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:49 AM, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Punit ji, D.Senthil, Adith and Friends,

> > > > > 1. Could kindly explain what are the particular differences between my

> > > view

> > > > > given below and what is mentioned by Punit ji?

> > > > > In the RPs based BTR methods, the changing RPs depending on time,

place

> > > and

> > > > > astrologer and urge may not always be helpful to everybody. (KP for

> > > > > Beginners: Part 12, KPE-zine Jun 2009)

> > > > > 2. Can RPs as divine tool depending on the seriousness of urge give a

> > > > > common solution?

> > > > > 3. Could kindly one demonstrate to get the common TOB for your

favorite

> > > for

> > > > > next PM Rahul Gandhi for THREE times on THREE different dates by the

> > > same

> > > > > RPs-based BTR method using the following available information?

> > > > > 5:50 AM, 12:10PM, 12:35PM, 19th of June 1970, New Delhi.

> > > > > (Msg#11434/24904/ 24912/24919)

> > > > > 3. Could THREE BTR practitioners demonstrate to get the common TOB for

> > > > > Rahul Gandhi by their preferred DIFFERENT RPs-based BTR methods?.

> > > > > 4. It would be clear if it is mentioned which time is taken as TOB,

the

> > > > > moment when the whole body of child has got separated from the womb of

> > > the

> > > > > mother or the time of first breath or first cry etc..

> > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > tw

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40.

com><k_p_ system%

> > > 40. com>, Senthil

> > > > > <athi_ram@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear TW/Members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes RP is a devine tool and I agree with punit. As I suggested

> > > earlier,

> > > > > we all do one simple exercise (hope it will not take much time) for

> > > checking

> > > > > birth time using RP for RBT (if necessary). May be venkit/TW or any of

> > > our

> > > > > forum member can post one natal chart which they may feel that more

> > > correct

> > > > > (with some minutes correction or without correction) for testing the

RP

> > > at

> > > > > different place.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope all will get some clue through RP to arrive the correct birth

> > > > > time. Let us do one simple exercise.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > GOOD LUCK!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > D.Senthil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > > > > Re: Re: MK rule of birth time rectification -

> > > some

> > > > > clarification needed

> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40.

com><k_p_ system%

> > > 40. com>

> > >

> > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009, 4:14 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Tw ji and Friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have difference of opinion with Tw ji and Kuppu Ganpathi ji on

this

> > > > > topic. We must note that it is not necessary to have exactly the same

> > > RPs to

> > > > > come up with the same birth time. Generally during BTR process, we

know

> > > what

> > > > > exactly we want to fix. For example, if the difference of time is in

> > > the

> > > > > range of 10 minutes of so, we just want to fix sub lord of the

> > > ascendant and

> > > > > it will give us good enough time. If RPs are applied correctly,

> > > everybody

> > > > > will get that planet (real sub lord of ascendant of that person) in

his

> > > list

> > > > > of RPs as a powerful RP and everybody will be able to fix correct time

> > > of

> > > > > birth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Having said that, please allow me to share my mind on RP. I have

seen

> > > > > many people complaining that they don't get good results with RP. RPs

> > > are

> > > > > known as divine tool. I define divine nature of RP using three

> > > parameters -

> > > > > urge, 'faith in RP' and 'clarity of mind' of the astrologer. A lot has

> > > been

> > > > > discussed about the urge in KP. Truly speaking, as I gain more

> > > experience in

> > > > > KP, I feel that the other two factors faith and 'clarity of mind' are

> > > > > more important than urge. 'Faith in RP' plays very important role in

> > > > > getting correct results from RP. Most importantly, I have seen that I

> > > don't

> > > > > get good help from RP when I don't have clarity of my mind. I believe

> > > that

> > > > > peace of mind of an astrologer or focussed mind is very very important

> > > if an

> > > > > astrologer wants to take help from RP.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So in absence of urge, faith and clarity of mind, people get

> > > different

> > > > > level of support from RP. In the quoted experiment people came up with

> > > > > different birth time, because RPs have not rendered the same level of

> > > > > support to all participants. I may sound irrational at this point of

> > > time

> > > > > and can be criticized for this unscientific thinking. Especially

> > > > > associating urge, faith and concentration of mind (that can not be

> > > measured)

> > > > > with seemingly scientific KP system seems like a bad idea. Though this

> > > is

> > > > > one of the most important lesson of KP that is not found in KP books

> > > and I

> > > > > thought I would share it with forum members, however illogical it may

> > > > > sound.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 7:32 PM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > Varied RPs cannot give the same rectified birth time.

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > tw

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. In the conclusion of K. Baskaran's " Secrets of RP & the Birth

> > > Time "

> > > > > (1999, pp 94-96) that four astrologers got varied RPs for the same

> > > chart by

> > > > > the same

> > > > > Rule.

> > > > > 2. Narhari Khake also got different RPs in three tests for the same

> > > doubtful

> > > > > chart by the same Rule. (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) 3.UNFORTUNATELY, AS

> > > > > FAR AS MY KNOWLEGE GOES, THERE IS NO SUCH COMMON SOLUTTION. (K.P.KUPPU

> > > > > GANAPATHI) http://groups.

> > > > > > / group/k_p_ system/message/ 5054

> > > > > >

> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Venkit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is what i told in the earlier E-mail about the accuracy in

the

> > > > > calculation under the topic " UTMOST ACCURACY " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For your last paragraph about RBT by different person at different

> > > time

> > > > > will it be same?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To find the how RP works with various people around the world you

> > > can

> > > > > POST one birth chart with date/time/place including latitude/longitude

> > > value

> > > > > (with some minute modification or without modification) to the forum

> > > members

> > > > > and request them to check the birth time and rectify it (if necessary)

> > > based

> > > > > on the individual RP and let them post it for the forum members

> > > discussion.

> > > > > This will answer your question.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hope the members will agree my statement.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > GOOD LUCK!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > D.Senthil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/14/09, venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah@ ... wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah@ ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > MK rule of birth time rectification - some

> > > > > clarification needed

> > > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009, 2:17 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Recently I went through a document about " MK rule for birth time

> > > > > rectification. The Rule seems simple and handy. I want to know, is

> > > there any

> > > > > research went as similar to the MPS rule about the reliability of this

> > > rule.

> > > > > In simple words the rule states the connectivity of Asc sublord with

> > > moon's

> > > > > star/sub lords. Then if moon itself comes as the Asc sublord, will

that

> > > > > situation binds to the rules defined. For example let the Asc sub lord

> > > be

> > > > > moon and there is no other connection in star/sub lord level of moon,

> > > Then

> > > > > cann't we consider this as a connection of Asc with Moon? Another

> > > > > circumstatnce is Lagna and moon star lord are same but not at sublord

> > > level?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Another problem with the rule is, I checked the example in the

> > > document

> > > > > using JH software, there I got different SSL and SSSL for the same

> > > data, So

> > > > > I think, going as deep to SSSL level with the help of even software

may

> > > lead

> > > > > to erronous output.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > MK rule document one method of rectification based on sex of the

> > > person

> > > > > which is bit confusing and need more clarification with examples. Is

> > > there

> > > > > any way to rectify the birth time with the horary number collected

from

> > > the

> > > > > person came for analysis and finding the ruling planets from that

> > > chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Once when we find a connection between Asc sublord and moon, then

> > > is

> > > > > there any need for further rectification. Because the client won't

give

> > > the

> > > > > birth time correct to seconds, but when we rectify the birth time, we

> > > get

> > > > > time correct to seconds. But relaying on ruling planets at time of

> > > analysis

> > > > > creates anothor problem like, our watch may not be as much correct to

> > > > > seconds with IST, so that we can get ruling palnets up to the sublord

> > > level.

> > > > > Then How do we rectify the birthtime with ruling planet, Mostly our

> > > watch

> > > > > have an error of +/-3 min with actual IST.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Another doubt is, suppose one rectified a birth time using ruling

> > > > > planet at the time of analysis, and If another person try to rectify

> > > the

> > > > > same horoscope at some other time, will he be arrive at the same

> > > rectified

> > > > > time, because the ruling planet in the second time may be different.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please clarify my doubts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 17, 2009

Dear Tw ji,We are in agreement on the point that " all four people CANNOT come up with the same (and correct) birth

time by the application of RP-based BTR methods " .. and it is true for all

astrological predictions.When Adith ji mentioned " The arguments are good until they are within the healthy limit. " , I wounder if I have gone a little overboard. That was surely not my intentions.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:32 AM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Punit ji,

If my point that " all four people CANNOT come up with the same (and correct) birth time by the application of RP-based BTR methods " is true for all astrological predictions, no more further discussion is needed because the issue is whether more than one astrologer can get the same rectified TOB and the issue is not whether which is wright or wrong as no body knows which is the " correct birth time " .

Thanks and regards,

tw

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Tw ji,

>

> 1. Shri KSK has stated that you will come up with the correct time of birth

> by the application of RP. Even his students tried to verify it by asking

> even if they were aware of their correct birth time. (Page 139, 6th reader,

> 1991 edition)

>

> 2. You didn't answer my question. " RP based BTR is either right or wrong.

> You can not say that it is wrong when applied by more than one astrologers

> and right when applied by a single astrologer. Please clarify your stand

> point. "

>

> 3. Your point that " all four people CANNOT come up with the same (and

> correct) birth time by the application of RP-based BTR methods " is true for

> all astrological predictions. We have already talked about marriage

> principle. Can you produce hard evidence that four astrologer will predict

> the same marriage date by applying KP rules? Can you produce hard evidence

> for the same prediction by four different astrologer for any single toipc

> (marriage/ child birth or any other prediction you want to choose)? Simply

> the hard-evidence you are asking is not fair to me.

>

> 4. Do you think what you have produced is hard-evidence can be called

> hard-evidence? 4 astrolgoers failing is not sufficient to disprove any rule,

> even on your own parameters.

>

> 5. I don't understand what is the difficulty in the your point 5. Correct

> time is the correct time. Whether it is five people or 10 people, if they

> apply right principles and they have the urge, they will get the correct

> time of birth. I don't understand that is the difficullty in this. Either we

> should say that RP based RBT is correct or incorrect but I don't understand

> the point in 5 people/ 10 people.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:09 AM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Pundit ji,

> >

> > 1. What Shri KSK has stated?

> > 2. I haven't said anything wright or wrong.

> > 3. My stand point is that " all four people CANNOT come

> > up with the same (and correct) birth time by the application of RP-based

> > BTR methods " .

> > 4. For my statement hard evidence is already provided there.

> > 5. How will all four people with different levels of urge will come up with

> > the same and correct) birth time by the application of RP-based BRT methods

> > as you've said?

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> > tw

> >

> > > > >

> > <%40>, Punit

> > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > >

> > > 1. I have only repeated what Shri KSK has stated. RP based BTR is either

> > > right or wrong. You can not say that it is wrong when applied by more

> > than

> > > one astrologers and right when applied by a single astrologer. Please

> > > clarify your stand point.

> > >

> > > 2. If you feel that it is incorrect, you should provide the hard-evidence

> > > because it is against what Shri KSK has said. I know that we can not do

> > that

> > > because a) there is no way we can measure urge, b) even we know about our

> > > urge, we can not take other people's responsiblity.

> > >

> > > 3. I do not understand what you find contradictory after thinking and

> > > rethinking. Can you please explain?

> > >

> > > 4. I agree with what you have said in other email that KP can be

> > practised

> > > without RPs. If we are not convinced about RP, we should simply ignore

> > them.

> > > Though I have personally found them very useful.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:46 PM, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Punit ji,

> > > > 1. Could you kindly provide hard evidence that " all four people will

> > come

> > > > up with the same (and correct) birth time by the application of RP " by

> > > > taking any horoscope for example.

> > > > 2. In my understanding by thinking and rethinking the above your

> > statement

> > > > and the nature of RPs you've mentioned are contradicting. 3. Let us

> > wait and

> > > > see hard evidence.

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > > > <%40><%

> > 40>, Punit

> >

> > > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Please see response to your first three points as follows -

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. My saying that I have " difference of opinion " is based on my

> > > > > understanding of your email. From your earlier email I understand

> > that

> > > > you

> > > > > mean that if four people are asked to do birth time rectification

> > using

> > > > RP,

> > > > > they will come up with the different birth time. Is this

> > understanding of

> > > > > your email correct? If this understanding correct, then I have a

> > > > difference

> > > > > of opinion and according to me, all four people will come up with the

> > > > same

> > > > > (and correct) birth time by the application of RP.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. However, we need to understand the application and limitation of

> > RP.

> > > > > Success of RP depends upon the situation where we want to use RP. In

> > the

> > > > > last example I have mentioned that if we have just to select a sub

> > lord,

> > > > all

> > > > > astrologers will come up with the same planet. Though if the birth

> > time

> > > > is

> > > > > totally unknown or the time-range is quite broad, RP alone will not

> > work

> > > > and

> > > > > we should use it as a supporting tool for any other method (e.g.

> > event

> > > > > basted rectification) that suits to that particular case. RPs alone

> > are

> > > > just

> > > > > suited for miner events/ time.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. In my opinion, Rahul Gandhi's birth time rectification is not a

> > good

> > > > test

> > > > > case for us due to two reasons - a) we don't have a known range of

> > > > > time available with us, so we don't know even RPs are applicable here

> > or

> > > > > not. b) Even if we came up with the correct time, there is no way we

> > can

> > > > > verify that. If we have to test our skills, we have to test it on

> > some

> > > > chart

> > > > > where correct birth time is already known. When the astrologer it

> > putting

> > > > > the quiz, he should also give possible time-range where actual birth

> > time

> > > > > falls.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:49 AM, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Punit ji, D.Senthil, Adith and Friends,

> > > > > > 1. Could kindly explain what are the particular differences between

> > my

> > > > view

> > > > > > given below and what is mentioned by Punit ji?

> > > > > > In the RPs based BTR methods, the changing RPs depending on time,

> > place

> > > > and

> > > > > > astrologer and urge may not always be helpful to everybody. (KP for

> > > > > > Beginners: Part 12, KPE-zine Jun 2009)

> > > > > > 2. Can RPs as divine tool depending on the seriousness of urge give

> > a

> > > > > > common solution?

> > > > > > 3. Could kindly one demonstrate to get the common TOB for your

> > favorite

> > > > for

> > > > > > next PM Rahul Gandhi for THREE times on THREE different dates by

> > the

> > > > same

> > > > > > RPs-based BTR method using the following available information?

> > > > > > 5:50 AM, 12:10PM, 12:35PM, 19th of June 1970, New Delhi.

> > > > > > (Msg#11434/24904/24912/24919)

> > > > > > 3. Could THREE BTR practitioners demonstrate to get the common TOB

> > for

> > > > > > Rahul Gandhi by their preferred DIFFERENT RPs-based BTR methods?.

> > > > > > 4. It would be clear if it is mentioned which time is taken as TOB,

> > the

> > > > > > moment when the whole body of child has got separated from the womb

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > mother or the time of first breath or first cry etc..

> > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > tw

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40><%

> > 40><%

> > > > 40>, Senthil

> > > > > > <athi_ram@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear TW/Members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes RP is a devine tool and I agree with punit. As I suggested

> > > > earlier,

> > > > > > we all do one simple exercise (hope it will not take much time) for

> > > > checking

> > > > > > birth time using RP for RBT (if necessary). May be venkit/TW or any

> > of

> > > > our

> > > > > > forum member can post one natal chart which they may feel that more

> > > > correct

> > > > > > (with some minutes correction or without correction) for testing

> > the RP

> > > > at

> > > > > > different place.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope all will get some clue through RP to arrive the correct

> > birth

> > > > > > time. Let us do one simple exercise.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > GOOD LUCK!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > D.Senthil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > > > > > Re: Re: MK rule of birth time rectification

> > -

> > > > some

> > > > > > clarification needed

> > > > > > > <%40><%

> > 40><%

> >

> > > > 40>

> > > >

> > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009, 4:14 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Tw ji and Friends,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have difference of opinion with Tw ji and Kuppu Ganpathi ji on

> > this

> > > > > > topic. We must note that it is not necessary to have exactly the

> > same

> > > > RPs to

> > > > > > come up with the same birth time. Generally during BTR process, we

> > know

> > > > what

> > > > > > exactly we want to fix. For example, if the difference of time is

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > range of 10 minutes of so, we just want to fix sub lord of the

> > > > ascendant and

> > > > > > it will give us good enough time. If RPs are applied correctly,

> > > > everybody

> > > > > > will get that planet (real sub lord of ascendant of that person) in

> > his

> > > > list

> > > > > > of RPs as a powerful RP and everybody will be able to fix correct

> > time

> > > > of

> > > > > > birth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Having said that, please allow me to share my mind on RP. I have

> > seen

> > > > > > many people complaining that they don't get good results with RP.

> > RPs

> > > > are

> > > > > > known as divine tool. I define divine nature of RP using three

> > > > parameters -

> > > > > > urge, 'faith in RP' and 'clarity of mind' of the astrologer. A lot

> > has

> > > > been

> > > > > > discussed about the urge in KP. Truly speaking, as I gain more

> > > > experience in

> > > > > > KP, I feel that the other two factors faith and 'clarity of mind'

> > are

> > > > > > more important than urge. 'Faith in RP' plays very important role

> > in

> > > > > > getting correct results from RP. Most importantly, I have seen that

> > I

> > > > don't

> > > > > > get good help from RP when I don't have clarity of my mind. I

> > believe

> > > > that

> > > > > > peace of mind of an astrologer or focussed mind is very very

> > important

> > > > if an

> > > > > > astrologer wants to take help from RP.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So in absence of urge, faith and clarity of mind, people get

> > > > different

> > > > > > level of support from RP. In the quoted experiment people came up

> > with

> > > > > > different birth time, because RPs have not rendered the same level

> > of

> > > > > > support to all participants. I may sound irrational at this point

> > of

> > > > time

> > > > > > and can be criticized for this unscientific thinking. Especially

> > > > > > associating urge, faith and concentration of mind (that can not be

> > > > measured)

> > > > > > with seemingly scientific KP system seems like a bad idea. Though

> > this

> > > > is

> > > > > > one of the most important lesson of KP that is not found in KP

> > books

> > > > and I

> > > > > > thought I would share it with forum members, however illogical it

> > may

> > > > > > sound.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 7:32 PM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > Varied RPs cannot give the same rectified birth time.

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > tw

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. In the conclusion of K. Baskaran's " Secrets of RP & the Birth

> > > > Time "

> > > > > > (1999, pp 94-96) that four astrologers got varied RPs for the same

> > > > chart by

> > > > > > the same

> > > > > > Rule.

> > > > > > 2. Narhari Khake also got different RPs in three tests for the same

> > > > doubtful

> > > > > > chart by the same Rule. (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) 3.UNFORTUNATELY,

> > AS

> > > > > > FAR AS MY KNOWLEGE GOES, THERE IS NO SUCH COMMON SOLUTTION.

> > (K.P.KUPPU

> > > > > > GANAPATHI) http://groups.

> > > > > > > / group/k_p_ system/message/ 5054

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Venkit,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is what i told in the earlier E-mail about the accuracy in

> > the

> > > > > > calculation under the topic " UTMOST ACCURACY " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For your last paragraph about RBT by different person at

> > different

> > > > time

> > > > > > will it be same?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To find the how RP works with various people around the world

> > you

> > > > can

> > > > > > POST one birth chart with date/time/place including

> > latitude/longitude

> > > > value

> > > > > > (with some minute modification or without modification) to the

> > forum

> > > > members

> > > > > > and request them to check the birth time and rectify it (if

> > necessary)

> > > > based

> > > > > > on the individual RP and let them post it for the forum members

> > > > discussion.

> > > > > > This will answer your question.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hope the members will agree my statement.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > GOOD LUCK!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > D.Senthil

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/14/09, venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah@ ... wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah@ ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > MK rule of birth time rectification -

> > some

> > > > > > clarification needed

> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009, 2:17 AM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Recently I went through a document about " MK rule for birth

> > time

> > > > > > rectification. The Rule seems simple and handy. I want to know, is

> > > > there any

> > > > > > research went as similar to the MPS rule about the reliability of

> > this

> > > > rule.

> > > > > > In simple words the rule states the connectivity of Asc sublord

> > with

> > > > moon's

> > > > > > star/sub lords. Then if moon itself comes as the Asc sublord, will

> > that

> > > > > > situation binds to the rules defined. For example let the Asc sub

> > lord

> > > > be

> > > > > > moon and there is no other connection in star/sub lord level of

> > moon,

> > > > Then

> > > > > > cann't we consider this as a connection of Asc with Moon? Another

> > > > > > circumstatnce is Lagna and moon star lord are same but not at

> > sublord

> > > > level?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Another problem with the rule is, I checked the example in the

> > > > document

> > > > > > using JH software, there I got different SSL and SSSL for the same

> > > > data, So

> > > > > > I think, going as deep to SSSL level with the help of even software

> > may

> > > > lead

> > > > > > to erronous output.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > MK rule document one method of rectification based on sex of

> > the

> > > > person

> > > > > > which is bit confusing and need more clarification with examples.

> > Is

> > > > there

> > > > > > any way to rectify the birth time with the horary number collected

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > person came for analysis and finding the ruling planets from that

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Once when we find a connection between Asc sublord and moon,

> > then

> > > > is

> > > > > > there any need for further rectification. Because the client won't

> > give

> > > > the

> > > > > > birth time correct to seconds, but when we rectify the birth time,

> > we

> > > > get

> > > > > > time correct to seconds. But relaying on ruling planets at time of

> > > > analysis

> > > > > > creates anothor problem like, our watch may not be as much correct

> > to

> > > > > > seconds with IST, so that we can get ruling palnets up to the

> > sublord

> > > > level.

> > > > > > Then How do we rectify the birthtime with ruling planet, Mostly our

> > > > watch

> > > > > > have an error of +/-3 min with actual IST.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Another doubt is, suppose one rectified a birth time using

> > ruling

> > > > > > planet at the time of analysis, and If another person try to

> > rectify

> > > > the

> > > > > > same horoscope at some other time, will he be arrive at the same

> > > > rectified

> > > > > > time, because the ruling planet in the second time may be

> > different.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please clarify my doubts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 17, 2009

Dear L.Y.Rao,

Why don't you use yourself a RP-based BTR method?

Pl try yourself first to develop your Intuitive mind or power.

But KP is for any layman.

Good luck!

tw

, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

>

> Dear TIN WIN,

> I completely disagree with you...the Ruling Planet

Theory has stood the Test of Time...

> and it has been repeatedly demonstrated that the Ruling Planets at Birth, play

an important role throughout one's life and will be found ruling every major

event in one's life...careful selection of the most fruitful RPs is the art of

the science...!

> Kindly check up some old issues of Astrology and

Athrishta the precursor to K.P. & Astrology Magazine...

> After years of diligence and devotion and

practice,it is possible to develop the faculty of intuition...which will help

pin-pointedly choose unerringly, the correct Ruling Planets...such K.P.

astrologers,blessed with powerful intuitive powers, we might come across very

rarely...but they do exist...and are not so rare as we might presume...true,some

are God-gifted but most have developed it,over time...

> Swami Vivekananda had stressed and recommended that

our Intuitive mind keeps telling us many things,all the time,and that simply by

listening to him every time,one can develop a powerful intuitive faculty...but

our so-calledrational and logical thinking prevents us from paying heed to

it...over time our intuitive mind just stops telling

us...anything...unfortunately...(Result of Modern Education ? !).

> Every astrologer in order to excell in predictive

techniques must devote time to develop intuitive powers...else he will remain an

ordinary astrologer(sooth-sayer)...for life...

> This is my humble suggestion to all budding

astrologers...

> With the very best wishes,

> L.Y.Rao.

> GOOD LUCK !

>

> ________________________________

> tw853 <tw853

>

> Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:58:14 PM

> Re: MK rule of birth time rectification - some

clarification needed

>

> Dear Friends,

> RPs are not one of three pillars of KP ie. Hindu zodiac, Vimshottari dasa

system and Placidus house system. RPs are only a supporting tool and without

using them KP can be practiced.

> Regards,

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear friends

> > I was told that if there is no RP then there is no KP. I was told that the

success of KP is due to RP. At the earlier stage, I approached five professional

KP Astrologers to rectify my birth time, my daughter's birth time and my son's

birth time. All the five gave five different RBT for each. At the same time,

everyone is claiming that their RBT alone is correct. So I have lost the hope on

the KP.

> > Due to the above, Mr.Mohankumar has tried to develop a BTR method without

using RP.

> > I accept that no two astrologers can give same rectified birth time through

RP.

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Tue, 6/16/09, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > tw853 <tw853@>

> > Re: MK rule of birth time rectification - some

clarification needed

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 2:19 AM

> >

> > Dear Punit ji, D.Senthil, Adith and Friends,

> > 1. Could kindly explain what are the particular differences between my view

given below and what is mentioned by Punit ji?

> > In the RPs based BTR methods, the changing RPs depending on time, place and

astrologer and urge may not always be helpful to everybody. (KP for Beginners:

Part 12, KPE-zine Jun 2009)

> > 2. Can RPs as divine tool depending on the seriousness of urge give a common

solution?

> > 3. Could kindly one demonstrate to get the common TOB for your favorite for

next PM Rahul Gandhi for THREE times on THREE different dates by the same

RPs-based BTR method using the following available information?

> > 5:50 AM, 12:10PM, 12:35PM, 19th of June 1970, New Delhi. (Msg#11434/24904/

24912/24919)

> > 3. Could THREE BTR practitioners demonstrate to get the common TOB for Rahul

Gandhi by their preferred DIFFERENT RPs-based BTR methods?.

> > 4. It would be clear if it is mentioned which time is taken as TOB, the

moment when the whole body of child has got separated from the womb of the

mother or the time of first breath or first cry etc..

> > Thanks and regards,

> > tw

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@ .> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear TW/Members,

> > >

> > > Yes RP is a devine tool and I agree with punit. As I suggested earlier, we

all do one simple exercise (hope it will not take much time) for checking birth

time using RP for RBT (if necessary). May be venkit/TW or any of our forum

member can post one natal chart which they may feel that more correct (with some

minutes correction or without correction) for testing the RP at different place.

> > >

> > > I hope all will get some clue through RP to arrive the correct birth

time.. Let us do one simple exercise.

> > >

> > > GOOD LUCK!

> > >

> > > D.Senthil

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > Re: Re: MK rule of birth time rectification - some

clarification needed

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Monday, June 15, 2009, 4:14 AM

> > >

> > > Dear Tw ji and Friends,

> > >

> > > I have difference of opinion with Tw ji and Kuppu Ganpathi ji on this

topic. We must note that it is not necessary to have exactly the same RPs to

come up with the same birth time. Generally during BTR process, we know what

exactly we want to fix. For example, if the difference of time is in the range

of 10 minutes of so, we just want to fix sub lord of the ascendant and it will

give us good enough time. If RPs are applied correctly, everybody will get that

planet (real sub lord of ascendant of that person) in his list of RPs as a

powerful RP and everybody will be able to fix correct time of birth.

> > >

> > > Having said that, please allow me to share my mind on RP. I have seen many

people complaining that they don't get good results with RP. RPs are known as

divine tool. I define divine nature of RP using three parameters - urge, 'faith

in RP' and 'clarity of mind' of the astrologer. A lot has been discussed about

the urge in KP. Truly speaking, as I gain more experience in KP, I feel that the

other two factors faith and 'clarity of mind' are more important than urge.

'Faith in RP' plays very important role in getting correct results from RP. Most

importantly, I have seen that I don't get good help from RP when I don't have

clarity of my mind. I believe that peace of mind of an astrologer or focussed

mind is very very important if an astrologer wants to take help from RP.

> > >

> > > So in absence of urge, faith and clarity of mind, people get different

level of support from RP. In the quoted experiment people came up with different

birth time, because RPs have not rendered the same level of support to all

participants. I may sound irrational at this point of time and can

be criticized for this unscientific thinking. Especially associating urge,

faith and concentration of mind (that can not be measured) with seemingly

scientific KP system seems like a bad idea. Though this is one of the most

important lesson of KP that is not found in KP books and I thought I would share

it with forum members, however illogical it may sound.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 7:32 PM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > Varied RPs cannot give the same rectified birth time.

> > > Regards,

> > > tw

> > >

> > > 1. In the conclusion of K. Baskaran's " Secrets of RP & the Birth Time "

(1999, pp 94-96) that four astrologers got varied RPs for the same chart by the

same

Rule. \

\

2. Narhari Khake also got different RPs in

three tests for the same doubtful chart by the same Rule. (KP Year Book, 1998, p

31) 3.UNFORTUNATELY, AS FAR AS MY KNOWLEGE GOES, THERE IS NO SUCH COMMON

SOLUTTION. (K.P.KUPPU GANAPATHI) http://groups.

> > > / group/k_p_ system/message/ 5054

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Venkit,

> > > >

> > > > This is what i told in the earlier E-mail about the accuracy in the

calculation under the topic " UTMOST ACCURACY " .

> > > >

> > > > For your last paragraph about RBT by different person at different time

will it be same?

> > > >

> > > > To find the how RP works with various people around the world you can

POST one birth chart with date/time/place including latitude/longitude value

(with some minute modification or without modification) to the forum members and

request them to check the birth time and rectify it (if necessary) based on the

individual RP and let them post it for the forum members discussion. This will

answer your question.

> > > >

> > > > Hope the members will agree my statement.

> > > >

> > > > GOOD LUCK!

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > D.Senthil

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 6/14/09, venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah@ ... wrote:

> > > >

> > > > venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah@ ...

> > >

> > > > MK rule of birth time rectification - some

clarification needed

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009, 2:17 AM

> > > >

> > > > Recently I went through a document about " MK rule for birth time

rectification. The Rule seems simple and handy. I want to know, is there any

research went as similar to the MPS rule about the reliability of this rule. In

simple words the rule states the connectivity of Asc sublord with moon's

star/sub lords. Then if moon itself comes as the Asc sublord, will that

situation binds to the rules defined. For example let the Asc sub lord be moon

and there is no other connection in star/sub lord level of moon, Then cann't we

consider this as a connection of Asc with Moon? Another circumstatnce is Lagna

and moon star lord are same but not at sublord level?

> > > >

> > > > Another problem with the rule is, I checked the example in the document

using JH software, there I got different SSL and SSSL for the same data, So I

think, going as deep to SSSL level with the help of even software may lead to

erronous output.

> > > >

> > > > MK rule document one method of rectification based on sex of the person

which is bit confusing and need more clarification with examples. Is there any

way to rectify the birth time with the horary number collected from the person

came for analysis and finding the ruling planets from that chart.

> > > >

> > > > Once when we find a connection between Asc sublord and moon, then is

there any need for further rectification. Because the client won't give the

birth time correct to seconds, but when we rectify the birth time, we get time

correct to seconds. But relaying on ruling planets at time of analysis creates

anothor problem like, our watch may not be as much correct to seconds with IST,

so that we can get ruling palnets up to the sublord level. Then How do we

rectify the birthtime with ruling planet, Mostly our watch have an error of +/-3

min with actual IST.

> > > >

> > > > Another doubt is, suppose one rectified a birth time using ruling planet

at the time of analysis, and If another person try to rectify the same horoscope

at some other time, will he be arrive at the same rectified time, because the

ruling planet in the second time may be different.

> > > >

> > > > Please clarify my doubts.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 17, 2009

Dear Friends,

Let me allow to request Yogesh Lajmi and Bhaskar to kindly show us again by the

RPs-related BTR methods to get the same10:14am TOB.

Thanks and regards,

tw

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> I agree with Shri Yogesh Lajmi ji.

>

> My own recorded birth time, was corrected by 4 persons on different

> years and different places and all came to the same verdict.

>

> My recorded birth time was 10.14am.

>

> 1) I personally corrected my birth time from RP's to 10.15am.

>

> 2) Next year I met Shri Guruji Sahasne with my chart. He too corrected

> to the same time 10.15am from the RP's at the moment I met him.

>

> 3) A year later I met a KP Professor from Bhartiya Vidya Bhuvan, Shri

> Sukhdev Purani, a very knowledgable person, Bombay, who corrected the BT

> to 10.15 am. from the RPs at moment we were sitting together and

> discussing this.

>

> 4) I met Shri Yogi Karve who also corrected my BT to 10.16 (Through his

> own methods of course, we do not know what)

>

> At least in above first 3 cases the timings are taken further away by 1

> minute on different days, months and years, and none of them was hinted

> of what correction was made by the other astrologer. All were done at

> Bombay. All were done in my presence. Unfortunately I do not have those

> moments of RP's recorded, but for those who believe, this is it, and the

> truth. This is a first person account and I do not wish to mislead the

> students in KP, but enforce and affirm that RP's are a integral part and

> an important part of this study of KP, and if used well ( and not

> wantonly) , they will surely guide a person who looks for knowledge with

> a strong aspiration and urge for same.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear TIN WIN,

> > I completely disagree with you...the Ruling

> Planet Theory has stood the Test of Time...

> > and it has been repeatedly demonstrated that the Ruling Planets at

> Birth, play an important role throughout one's life and will be found

> ruling every major event in one's life...careful selection of the most

> fruitful RPs is the art of the science...!

> > Kindly check up some old issues of Astrology

> and Athrishta the precursor to K.P. & Astrology Magazine...

> > After years of diligence and devotion and

> practice,it is possible to develop the faculty of intuition...which will

> help pin-pointedly choose unerringly, the correct Ruling Planets...such

> K.P. astrologers,blessed with powerful intuitive powers, we might come

> across very rarely...but they do exist...and are not so rare as we might

> presume...true,some are God-gifted but most have developed it,over

> time...

> > Swami Vivekananda had stressed and

> recommended that our Intuitive mind keeps telling us many things,all

> the time,and that simply by listening to him every time,one can develop

> a powerful intuitive faculty...but our so-calledrational and logical

> thinking prevents us from paying heed to it...over time our intuitive

> mind just stops telling us...anything...unfortunately...(Result of

> Modern Education ? !).

> > Every astrologer in order to excell in

> predictive techniques must devote time to develop intuitive

> powers...else he will remain an ordinary astrologer(sooth-sayer)...for

> life...

> > This is my humble suggestion to all budding

> astrologers...

> > With the very best wishes,

> > L.Y.Rao.

> > GOOD LUCK !

> >

> > ________________________________

> > tw853 tw853@

> >

> > Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:58:14 PM

> > Re: MK rule of birth time rectification - some

> clarification needed

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > RPs are not one of three pillars of KP ie. Hindu zodiac, Vimshottari

> dasa system and Placidus house system. RPs are only a supporting tool

> and without using them KP can be practiced.

> > Regards,

> > tw

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friends

> > > I was told that if there is no RP then there is no KP. I was told

> that the success of KP is due to RP. At the earlier stage, I approached

> five professional KP Astrologers to rectify my birth time, my daughter's

> birth time and my son's birth time. All the five gave five different RBT

> for each. At the same time, everyone is claiming that their RBT alone

> is correct. So I have lost the hope on the KP.

> > > Due to the above, Mr.Mohankumar has tried to develop a BTR method

> without using RP.

> > > I accept that no two astrologers can give same rectified birth time

> through RP.

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 6/16/09, tw853 tw853@ wrote:

> > >

> > > tw853 tw853@

> > > Re: MK rule of birth time rectification - some

> clarification needed

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 2:19 AM

> > >

> > > Dear Punit ji, D.Senthil, Adith and Friends,

> > > 1. Could kindly explain what are the particular differences between

> my view given below and what is mentioned by Punit ji?

> > > In the RPs based BTR methods, the changing RPs depending on time,

> place and astrologer and urge may not always be helpful to everybody.

> (KP for Beginners: Part 12, KPE-zine Jun 2009)

> > > 2. Can RPs as divine tool depending on the seriousness of urge give

> a common solution?

> > > 3. Could kindly one demonstrate to get the common TOB for your

> favorite for next PM Rahul Gandhi for THREE times on THREE different

> dates by the same RPs-based BTR method using the following available

> information?

> > > 5:50 AM, 12:10PM, 12:35PM, 19th of June 1970, New Delhi.

> (Msg#11434/24904/ 24912/24919)

> > > 3. Could THREE BTR practitioners demonstrate to get the common TOB

> for Rahul Gandhi by their preferred DIFFERENT RPs-based BTR methods?.

> > > 4. It would be clear if it is mentioned which time is taken as TOB,

> the moment when the whole body of child has got separated from the womb

> of the mother or the time of first breath or first cry etc..

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > > tw

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@ .> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear TW/Members,

> > > >

> > > > Yes RP is a devine tool and I agree with punit. As I suggested

> earlier, we all do one simple exercise (hope it will not take much time)

> for checking birth time using RP for RBT (if necessary). May be

> venkit/TW or any of our forum member can post one natal chart which they

> may feel that more correct (with some minutes correction or without

> correction) for testing the RP at different place.

> > > >

> > > > I hope all will get some clue through RP to arrive the correct

> birth time.. Let us do one simple exercise.

> > > >

> > > > GOOD LUCK!

> > > >

> > > > D.Senthil

> > > >

> > > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > > Re: Re: MK rule of birth time rectification

> - some clarification needed

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Monday, June 15, 2009, 4:14 AM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Tw ji and Friends,

> > > >

> > > > I have difference of opinion with Tw ji and Kuppu Ganpathi ji on

> this topic. We must note that it is not necessary to have exactly the

> same RPs to come up with the same birth time. Generally during BTR

> process, we know what exactly we want to fix. For example, if the

> difference of time is in the range of 10 minutes of so, we just want to

> fix sub lord of the ascendant and it will give us good enough time. If

> RPs are applied correctly, everybody will get that planet (real sub lord

> of ascendant of that person) in his list of RPs as a powerful RP and

> everybody will be able to fix correct time of birth.

> > > >

> > > > Having said that, please allow me to share my mind on RP. I have

> seen many people complaining that they don't get good results with RP.

> RPs are known as divine tool. I define divine nature of RP using three

> parameters - urge, 'faith in RP' and 'clarity of mind' of the

> astrologer. A lot has been discussed about the urge in KP. Truly

> speaking, as I gain more experience in KP, I feel that the other two

> factors faith and 'clarity of mind' are more important than urge.

> 'Faith in RP' plays very important role in getting correct results from

> RP. Most importantly, I have seen that I don't get good help from RP

> when I don't have clarity of my mind. I believe that peace of mind of an

> astrologer or focussed mind is very very important if an astrologer

> wants to take help from RP.

> > > >

> > > > So in absence of urge, faith and clarity of mind, people get

> different level of support from RP. In the quoted experiment people came

> up with different birth time, because RPs have not rendered the same

> level of support to all participants. I may sound irrational at this

> point of time and can be criticized for this unscientific thinking.

> Especially associating urge, faith and concentration of mind (that can

> not be measured) with seemingly scientific KP system seems like a bad

> idea. Though this is one of the most important lesson of KP that is not

> found in KP books and I thought I would share it with forum members,

> however illogical it may sound.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 7:32 PM, tw853 tw853 > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > Varied RPs cannot give the same rectified birth time.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > > > 1. In the conclusion of K. Baskaran's " Secrets of RP & the Birth

> Time " (1999, pp 94-96) that four astrologers got varied RPs for the same

> chart by the same Rule.

> 2. Narhari Khake also got different RPs in three tests for the same

> doubtful chart by the same Rule. (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31)

> 3.UNFORTUNATELY, AS FAR AS MY KNOWLEGE GOES, THERE IS NO SUCH COMMON

> SOLUTTION. (K.P.KUPPU GANAPATHI) http://groups.

> > > > / group/k_p_ system/message/ 5054

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Venkit,

> > > > >

> > > > > This is what i told in the earlier E-mail about the accuracy in

> the calculation under the topic " UTMOST ACCURACY " .

> > > > >

> > > > > For your last paragraph about RBT by different person at

> different time will it be same?

> > > > >

> > > > > To find the how RP works with various people around the world

> you can POST one birth chart with date/time/place including

> latitude/longitude value (with some minute modification or without

> modification) to the forum members and request them to check the birth

> time and rectify it (if necessary) based on the individual RP and let

> them post it for the forum members discussion. This will answer your

> question.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope the members will agree my statement.

> > > > >

> > > > > GOOD LUCK!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > D.Senthil

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 6/14/09, venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah@ ... wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah@ ...

> > > >

> > > > > MK rule of birth time rectification - some

> clarification needed

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009, 2:17 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Recently I went through a document about " MK rule for birth time

> rectification. The Rule seems simple and handy. I want to know, is there

> any research went as similar to the MPS rule about the reliability of

> this rule. In simple words the rule states the connectivity of Asc

> sublord with moon's star/sub lords. Then if moon itself comes as the Asc

> sublord, will that situation binds to the rules defined. For example let

> the Asc sub lord be moon and there is no other connection in star/sub

> lord level of moon, Then cann't we consider this as a connection of Asc

> with Moon? Another circumstatnce is Lagna and moon star lord are same

> but not at sublord level?

> > > > >

> > > > > Another problem with the rule is, I checked the example in the

> document using JH software, there I got different SSL and SSSL for the

> same data, So I think, going as deep to SSSL level with the help of even

> software may lead to erronous output.

> > > > >

> > > > > MK rule document one method of rectification based on sex of the

> person which is bit confusing and need more clarification with examples.

> Is there any way to rectify the birth time with the horary number

> collected from the person came for analysis and finding the ruling

> planets from that chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Once when we find a connection between Asc sublord and moon,

> then is there any need for further rectification. Because the client

> won't give the birth time correct to seconds, but when we rectify the

> birth time, we get time correct to seconds. But relaying on ruling

> planets at time of analysis creates anothor problem like, our watch may

> not be as much correct to seconds with IST, so that we can get ruling

> palnets up to the sublord level. Then How do we rectify the birthtime

> with ruling planet, Mostly our watch have an error of +/-3 min with

> actual IST.

> > > > >

> > > > > Another doubt is, suppose one rectified a birth time using

> ruling planet at the time of analysis, and If another person try to

> rectify the same horoscope at some other time, will he be arrive at the

> same rectified time, because the ruling planet in the second time may be

> different.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please clarify my doubts.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 17, 2009

Dear TW,

The Golden Rule in K.P., is to take planets common among the RPs and significators :

Select only those which are posited in the sub of a significator,whose star is untenanted,

as only these will be most fruitful...

You had not said so,"in so many words,but you did imply it...as I understood it..."

With kind regards,

Yogesh Lajmi.

tw853 <tw853 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 1:55:10 PM Re: MK rule of birth time rectification - some clarification needed

Dear Yogesh Lajmi,Who said the system is wrong??tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Deaw Tin Win,> The System is not wrong...the application and the conclusions drawn are... !> Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> tw853 <tw853> @gro

ups.com> Wednesday, June 17, 2009 1:09:23 AM> Re: MK rule of birth time rectification - some clarification needed> > > > > > Dear Pundit ji,> > 1. What Shri KSK has stated?> 2. I haven't said anything wright or wrong.> 3. My stand point is that "all four people CANNOT come> up with the same (and correct) birth time by the application of RP-based BTR methods".> 4. For my statement hard evidence is already provided there.> 5. How will all four people with different levels of urge will come up with the same and correct) birth time by the application of RP-based BRT methods as you've said?> Thanks and regards,> tw> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> >> > Dear Tw

ji,> > > > 1. I have only repeated what Shri KSK has stated. RP based BTR is either> > right or wrong. You can not say that it is wrong when applied by more than> > one astrologers and right when applied by a single astrologer. Please> > clarify your stand point.> > > > 2. If you feel that it is incorrect, you should provide the hard-evidence> > because it is against what Shri KSK has said. I know that we can not do that> > because a) there is no way we can measure urge, b) even we know about our> > urge, we can not take other people's responsiblity.> > > > 3. I do not understand what you find contradictory after thinking and> > rethinking. Can you please explain?> > > > 4. I agree with what you have said in other email that KP can be practised> > without RPs. If we are not convinced about RP, we

should simply ignore them.> > Though I have personally found them very useful.> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:46 PM, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> > > > >> > >> > > Dear Punit ji,> > > 1. Could you kindly provide hard evidence that "all four people will come> > > up with the same (and correct) birth time by the application of RP" by> > > taking any horoscope for example.> > > 2. In my understanding by thinking and rethinking the above your statement> > > and the nature of RPs you've mentioned are contradicting. 3. Let us wait and> > > see hard evidence.> > > Thanks and regards,> > > tw> > >> > >> > >> > > --- In

@gro ups.com <% 40. com>, Punit> > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Tw ji,> > > >> > > > Please see response to your first three points as follows -> > > >> > > > 1. My saying that I have "difference of opinion" is based on my> > > > understanding of your email. From your earlier email I understand that> > > you> > > > mean that if four people are asked to do birth time rectification using> > > RP,> > > > they will come up with the different birth time. Is this understanding of> > > > your email correct? If this understanding correct, then I have a> > > difference> > > > of opinion and according to me, all four people will come up with the> > > same>

> > > (and correct) birth time by the application of RP.> > > >> > > > 2. However, we need to understand the application and limitation of RP.> > > > Success of RP depends upon the situation where we want to use RP. In the> > > > last example I have mentioned that if we have just to select a sub lord,> > > all> > > > astrologers will come up with the same planet. Though if the birth time> > > is> > > > totally unknown or the time-range is quite broad, RP alone will not work> > > and> > > > we should use it as a supporting tool for any other method (e.g. event> > > > basted rectification) that suits to that particular case. RPs alone are> > > just> > > > suited for miner events/ time.> > > >> > > > 3. In my opinion, Rahul

Gandhi's birth time rectification is not a good> > > test> > > > case for us due to two reasons - a) we don't have a known range of> > > > time available with us, so we don't know even RPs are applicable here or> > > > not. b) Even if we came up with the correct time, there is no way we can> > > > verify that. If we have to test our skills, we have to test it on some> > > chart> > > > where correct birth time is already known. When the astrologer it putting> > > > the quiz, he should also give possible time-range where actual birth time> > > > falls.> > > >> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > >> > > > Punit Pandey> > > >> > > >> > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:49 AM, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> >

> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Punit ji, D.Senthil, Adith and Friends,> > > > > 1. Could kindly explain what are the particular differences between my> > > view> > > > > given below and what is mentioned by Punit ji?> > > > > In the RPs based BTR methods, the changing RPs depending on time, place> > > and> > > > > astrologer and urge may not always be helpful to everybody. (KP for> > > > > Beginners: Part 12, KPE-zine Jun 2009)> > > > > 2. Can RPs as divine tool depending on the seriousness of urge give a> > > > > common solution?> > > > > 3. Could kindly one demonstrate to get the common TOB for your favorite> > > for> > > > > next PM Rahul Gandhi for THREE times on THREE

different dates by the> > > same> > > > > RPs-based BTR method using the following available information?> > > > > 5:50 AM, 12:10PM, 12:35PM, 19th of June 1970, New Delhi.> > > > > (Msg#11434/24904/ 24912/24919)> > > > > 3. Could THREE BTR practitioners demonstrate to get the common TOB for> > > > > Rahul Gandhi by their preferred DIFFERENT RPs-based BTR methods?.> > > > > 4. It would be clear if it is mentioned which time is taken as TOB, the> > > > > moment when the whole body of child has got separated from the womb of> > > the> > > > > mother or the time of first breath or first cry etc..> > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > tw> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > @gro

ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> > > 40. com>, Senthil> > > > > <athi_ram@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear TW/Members,> > > > > >> > > > > > Yes RP is a devine tool and I agree with punit. As I suggested> > > earlier,> > > > > we all do one simple exercise (hope it will not take much time) for> > > checking> > > > > birth time using RP for RBT (if necessary). May be venkit/TW or any of> > > our> > > > > forum member can post one natal chart which they may feel that more> > > correct> > > > > (with some minutes correction or without correction) for testing the RP> > > at> > > > > different place.> > > > >

>> > > > > > I hope all will get some clue through RP to arrive the correct birth> > > > > time. Let us do one simple exercise.> > > > > >> > > > > > GOOD LUCK!> > > > > >> > > > > > D.Senthil> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>> > > > > > Re: Re: MK rule of birth time rectification -> > > some> > > > > clarification needed> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> > > 40. com>> >

>> > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009, 4:14 AM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Tw ji and Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I have difference of opinion with Tw ji and Kuppu Ganpathi ji on this> > > > > topic. We must note that it is not necessary to have exactly the same> > > RPs to> > > > > come up with the same birth time. Generally during BTR process, we know> > > what> > > > > exactly we want to fix. For example, if the difference of time is in> > > the> > > > > range of

10 minutes of so, we just want to fix sub lord of the> > > ascendant and> > > > > it will give us good enough time. If RPs are applied correctly,> > > everybody> > > > > will get that planet (real sub lord of ascendant of that person) in his> > > list> > > > > of RPs as a powerful RP and everybody will be able to fix correct time> > > of> > > > > birth.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Having said that, please allow me to share my mind on RP. I have seen> > > > > many people complaining that they don't get good results with RP. RPs> > > are> > > > > known as divine tool. I define divine nature of RP using three> > > parameters -> > > > > urge, 'faith in RP' and 'clarity of mind' of

the astrologer. A lot has> > > been> > > > > discussed about the urge in KP. Truly speaking, as I gain more> > > experience in> > > > > KP, I feel that the other two factors faith and 'clarity of mind' are> > > > > more important than urge. 'Faith in RP' plays very important role in> > > > > getting correct results from RP. Most importantly, I have seen that I> > > don't> > > > > get good help from RP when I don't have clarity of my mind. I believe> > > that> > > > > peace of mind of an astrologer or focussed mind is very very important> > > if an> > > > > astrologer wants to take help from RP.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > So in absence of urge, faith and clarity of mind, people get>

> > different> > > > > level of support from RP. In the quoted experiment people came up with> > > > > different birth time, because RPs have not rendered the same level of> > > > > support to all participants. I may sound irrational at this point of> > > time> > > > > and can be criticized for this unscientific thinking. Especially> > > > > associating urge, faith and concentration of mind (that can not be> > > measured)> > > > > with seemingly scientific KP system seems like a bad idea. Though this> > > is> > > > > one of the most important lesson of KP that is not found in KP books> > > and I> > > > > thought I would share it with forum members, however illogical it may> > > > > sound.> > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 7:32 PM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > Varied RPs cannot give the same rectified birth time.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > tw> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > 1. In the conclusion of K.

Baskaran's "Secrets of RP & the Birth> > > Time"> > > > > (1999, pp 94-96) that four astrologers got varied RPs for the same> > > chart by> > > > > the same> > > > > Rule.> > > > > 2. Narhari Khake also got different RPs in three tests for the same> > > doubtful> > > > > chart by the same Rule. (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) 3.UNFORTUNATELY, AS> > > > > FAR AS MY KNOWLEGE GOES, THERE IS NO SUCH COMMON SOLUTTION. (K.P.KUPPU> > > > > GANAPATHI) http://groups.> > > > > > / group/k_p_ system/message/ 5054> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@> wrote:>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Venkit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is what i told in the earlier E-mail about the accuracy in the> > > > > calculation under the topic "UTMOST ACCURACY".> > > > > > >> > > > > > > For your last paragraph about RBT by different person at different> > > time> > > > > will it be same?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > To find the how RP works with various people around the world you> > > can> > > > > POST one birth chart with date/time/place including latitude/longitude> > > value> > > > > (with some minute modification or without modification) to the forum> > > members> > > > > and request them

to check the birth time and rectify it (if necessary)> > > based> > > > > on the individual RP and let them post it for the forum members> > > discussion.> > > > > This will answer your question.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hope the members will agree my statement.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > GOOD LUCK!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > D.Senthil> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/14/09, venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah@ ... wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > > venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah@ ...> > > > > >> > > > > > > MK rule of birth time rectification - some> > > > > clarification needed> > > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009, 2:17 AM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Recently I went through a document about "MK rule for birth time> > > > > rectification. The Rule seems simple and handy. I want to know, is> > > there any> > > >

> research went as similar to the MPS rule about the reliability of this> > > rule.> > > > > In simple words the rule states the connectivity of Asc sublord with> > > moon's> > > > > star/sub lords. Then if moon itself comes as the Asc sublord, will that> > > > > situation binds to the rules defined. For example let the Asc sub lord> > > be> > > > > moon and there is no other connection in star/sub lord level of moon,> > > Then> > > > > cann't we consider this as a connection of Asc with Moon? Another> > > > > circumstatnce is Lagna and moon star lord are same but not at sublord> > > level?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Another problem with the rule is, I checked the example in the> > > document> > >

> > using JH software, there I got different SSL and SSSL for the same> > > data, So> > > > > I think, going as deep to SSSL level with the help of even software may> > > lead> > > > > to erronous output.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > MK rule document one method of rectification based on sex of the> > > person> > > > > which is bit confusing and need more clarification with examples. Is> > > there> > > > > any way to rectify the birth time with the horary number collected from> > > the> > > > > person came for analysis and finding the ruling planets from that> > > chart.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Once when we find a connection between Asc sublord and moon, then> > >

is> > > > > there any need for further rectification. Because the client won't give> > > the> > > > > birth time correct to seconds, but when we rectify the birth time, we> > > get> > > > > time correct to seconds. But relaying on ruling planets at time of> > > analysis> > > > > creates anothor problem like, our watch may not be as much correct to> > > > > seconds with IST, so that we can get ruling palnets up to the sublord> > > level.> > > > > Then How do we rectify the birthtime with ruling planet, Mostly our> > > watch> > > > > have an error of +/-3 min with actual IST.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Another doubt is, suppose one rectified a birth time using ruling> > > > > planet at the time

of analysis, and If another person try to rectify> > > the> > > > > same horoscope at some other time, will he be arrive at the same> > > rectified> > > > > time, because the ruling planet in the second time may be different.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Please clarify my doubts.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >>

June 17, 2009

Dear Punit ji,

It's fine and the benefit is that we are in agreement on some points. As you're

aware, I love to discuss under any circumstances. Adith ji is playing Kanak's

role before.

Thanks and regards,

tw

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Tw ji,

>

> We are in agreement on the point that " all four people CANNOT come up with

> the same (and correct) birth time by the application of RP-based BTR

> methods " .. and it is true for all astrological predictions.

>

> When Adith ji mentioned " The arguments are good until they are within the

> healthy limit. " , I wounder if I have gone a little overboard. That was

> surely not my intentions.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:32 AM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Punit ji,

> >

> > If my point that " all four people CANNOT come up with the same (and

> > correct) birth time by the application of RP-based BTR methods " is true for

> > all astrological predictions, no more further discussion is needed because

> > the issue is whether more than one astrologer can get the same rectified TOB

> > and the issue is not whether which is wright or wrong as no body knows which

> > is the " correct birth time " .

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> > tw

> > <%40>, Punit

> > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > >

> > > 1. Shri KSK has stated that you will come up with the correct time of

> > birth

> > > by the application of RP. Even his students tried to verify it by asking

> > > even if they were aware of their correct birth time. (Page 139, 6th

> > reader,

> > > 1991 edition)

> > >

> > > 2. You didn't answer my question. " RP based BTR is either right or wrong.

> > > You can not say that it is wrong when applied by more than one

> > astrologers

> > > and right when applied by a single astrologer. Please clarify your stand

> > > point. "

> > >

> > > 3. Your point that " all four people CANNOT come up with the same (and

> > > correct) birth time by the application of RP-based BTR methods " is true

> > for

> > > all astrological predictions. We have already talked about marriage

> > > principle. Can you produce hard evidence that four astrologer will

> > predict

> > > the same marriage date by applying KP rules? Can you produce hard

> > evidence

> > > for the same prediction by four different astrologer for any single toipc

> > > (marriage/ child birth or any other prediction you want to choose)?

> > Simply

> > > the hard-evidence you are asking is not fair to me.

> > >

> > > 4. Do you think what you have produced is hard-evidence can be called

> > > hard-evidence? 4 astrolgoers failing is not sufficient to disprove any

> > rule,

> > > even on your own parameters.

> > >

> > > 5. I don't understand what is the difficulty in the your point 5. Correct

> > > time is the correct time. Whether it is five people or 10 people, if they

> > > apply right principles and they have the urge, they will get the correct

> > > time of birth. I don't understand that is the difficullty in this. Either

> > we

> > > should say that RP based RBT is correct or incorrect but I don't

> > understand

> > > the point in 5 people/ 10 people.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:09 AM, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pundit ji,

> > > >

> > > > 1. What Shri KSK has stated?

> > > > 2. I haven't said anything wright or wrong.

> > > > 3. My stand point is that " all four people CANNOT come

> > > > up with the same (and correct) birth time by the application of

> > RP-based

> > > > BTR methods " .

> > > > 4. For my statement hard evidence is already provided there.

> > > > 5. How will all four people with different levels of urge will come up

> > with

> > > > the same and correct) birth time by the application of RP-based BRT

> > methods

> > > > as you've said?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

<%40><%

> > 40>, Punit

> > > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. I have only repeated what Shri KSK has stated. RP based BTR is

> > either

> > > > > right or wrong. You can not say that it is wrong when applied by more

> > > > than

> > > > > one astrologers and right when applied by a single astrologer. Please

> > > > > clarify your stand point.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. If you feel that it is incorrect, you should provide the

> > hard-evidence

> > > > > because it is against what Shri KSK has said. I know that we can not

> > do

> > > > that

> > > > > because a) there is no way we can measure urge, b) even we know about

> > our

> > > > > urge, we can not take other people's responsiblity.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. I do not understand what you find contradictory after thinking and

> > > > > rethinking. Can you please explain?

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. I agree with what you have said in other email that KP can be

> > > > practised

> > > > > without RPs. If we are not convinced about RP, we should simply

> > ignore

> > > > them.

> > > > > Though I have personally found them very useful.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:46 PM, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Punit ji,

> > > > > > 1. Could you kindly provide hard evidence that " all four people

> > will

> > > > come

> > > > > > up with the same (and correct) birth time by the application of RP "

> > by

> > > > > > taking any horoscope for example.

> > > > > > 2. In my understanding by thinking and rethinking the above your

> > > > statement

> > > > > > and the nature of RPs you've mentioned are contradicting. 3. Let us

> > > > wait and

> > > > > > see hard evidence.

> > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > tw

> > > > > >

<%40><%

> > 40><%

> >

> > > > 40>, Punit

> > > >

> > > > > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please see response to your first three points as follows -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. My saying that I have " difference of opinion " is based on my

> > > > > > > understanding of your email. From your earlier email I understand

> > > > that

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > mean that if four people are asked to do birth time rectification

> > > > using

> > > > > > RP,

> > > > > > > they will come up with the different birth time. Is this

> > > > understanding of

> > > > > > > your email correct? If this understanding correct, then I have a

> > > > > > difference

> > > > > > > of opinion and according to me, all four people will come up with

> > the

> > > > > > same

> > > > > > > (and correct) birth time by the application of RP.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. However, we need to understand the application and limitation

> > of

> > > > RP.

> > > > > > > Success of RP depends upon the situation where we want to use RP.

> > In

> > > > the

> > > > > > > last example I have mentioned that if we have just to select a

> > sub

> > > > lord,

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > astrologers will come up with the same planet. Though if the

> > birth

> > > > time

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > totally unknown or the time-range is quite broad, RP alone will

> > not

> > > > work

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > we should use it as a supporting tool for any other method (e.g.

> > > > event

> > > > > > > basted rectification) that suits to that particular case. RPs

> > alone

> > > > are

> > > > > > just

> > > > > > > suited for miner events/ time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. In my opinion, Rahul Gandhi's birth time rectification is not

> > a

> > > > good

> > > > > > test

> > > > > > > case for us due to two reasons - a) we don't have a known range

> > of

> > > > > > > time available with us, so we don't know even RPs are applicable

> > here

> > > > or

> > > > > > > not. b) Even if we came up with the correct time, there is no way

> > we

> > > > can

> > > > > > > verify that. If we have to test our skills, we have to test it on

> > > > some

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > where correct birth time is already known. When the astrologer it

> > > > putting

> > > > > > > the quiz, he should also give possible time-range where actual

> > birth

> > > > time

> > > > > > > falls.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:49 AM, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji, D.Senthil, Adith and Friends,

> > > > > > > > 1. Could kindly explain what are the particular differences

> > between

> > > > my

> > > > > > view

> > > > > > > > given below and what is mentioned by Punit ji?

> > > > > > > > In the RPs based BTR methods, the changing RPs depending on

> > time,

> > > > place

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > astrologer and urge may not always be helpful to everybody. (KP

> > for

> > > > > > > > Beginners: Part 12, KPE-zine Jun 2009)

> > > > > > > > 2. Can RPs as divine tool depending on the seriousness of urge

> > give

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > common solution?

> > > > > > > > 3. Could kindly one demonstrate to get the common TOB for your

> > > > favorite

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > next PM Rahul Gandhi for THREE times on THREE different dates

> > by

> > > > the

> > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > RPs-based BTR method using the following available information?

> > > > > > > > 5:50 AM, 12:10PM, 12:35PM, 19th of June 1970, New Delhi.

> > > > > > > > (Msg#11434/24904/24912/24919)

> > > > > > > > 3. Could THREE BTR practitioners demonstrate to get the common

> > TOB

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > Rahul Gandhi by their preferred DIFFERENT RPs-based BTR

> > methods?.

> > > > > > > > 4. It would be clear if it is mentioned which time is taken as

> > TOB,

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > moment when the whole body of child has got separated from the

> > womb

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > mother or the time of first breath or first cry etc..

> > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > tw

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

<%40><%

> > 40><%

> > > > 40><%

> > > > > > 40>, Senthil

> > > > > > > > <athi_ram@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear TW/Members,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes RP is a devine tool and I agree with punit. As I

> > suggested

> > > > > > earlier,

> > > > > > > > we all do one simple exercise (hope it will not take much time)

> > for

> > > > > > checking

> > > > > > > > birth time using RP for RBT (if necessary). May be venkit/TW or

> > any

> > > > of

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > forum member can post one natal chart which they may feel that

> > more

> > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > (with some minutes correction or without correction) for

> > testing

> > > > the RP

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > different place.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hope all will get some clue through RP to arrive the

> > correct

> > > > birth

> > > > > > > > time. Let us do one simple exercise.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > GOOD LUCK!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > D.Senthil

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: MK rule of birth time

> > rectification

> > > > -

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > clarification needed

> > > > > > > > > To:

<%40><%

> > 40><%

> > > > 40><%

> > > >

> > > > > > 40>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009, 4:14 AM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Tw ji and Friends,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have difference of opinion with Tw ji and Kuppu Ganpathi ji

> > on

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > topic. We must note that it is not necessary to have exactly

> > the

> > > > same

> > > > > > RPs to

> > > > > > > > come up with the same birth time. Generally during BTR process,

> > we

> > > > know

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > exactly we want to fix. For example, if the difference of time

> > is

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > range of 10 minutes of so, we just want to fix sub lord of the

> > > > > > ascendant and

> > > > > > > > it will give us good enough time. If RPs are applied correctly,

> > > > > > everybody

> > > > > > > > will get that planet (real sub lord of ascendant of that

> > person) in

> > > > his

> > > > > > list

> > > > > > > > of RPs as a powerful RP and everybody will be able to fix

> > correct

> > > > time

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > birth.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Having said that, please allow me to share my mind on RP. I

> > have

> > > > seen

> > > > > > > > many people complaining that they don't get good results with

> > RP.

> > > > RPs

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > known as divine tool. I define divine nature of RP using three

> > > > > > parameters -

> > > > > > > > urge, 'faith in RP' and 'clarity of mind' of the astrologer. A

> > lot

> > > > has

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > discussed about the urge in KP. Truly speaking, as I gain more

> > > > > > experience in

> > > > > > > > KP, I feel that the other two factors faith and 'clarity of

> > mind'

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > more important than urge. 'Faith in RP' plays very important

> > role

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > getting correct results from RP. Most importantly, I have seen

> > that

> > > > I

> > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > get good help from RP when I don't have clarity of my mind. I

> > > > believe

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > peace of mind of an astrologer or focussed mind is very very

> > > > important

> > > > > > if an

> > > > > > > > astrologer wants to take help from RP.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So in absence of urge, faith and clarity of mind, people get

> > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > level of support from RP. In the quoted experiment people came

> > up

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > different birth time, because RPs have not rendered the same

> > level

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > support to all participants. I may sound irrational at this

> > point

> > > > of

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > and can be criticized for this unscientific thinking.

> > Especially

> > > > > > > > associating urge, faith and concentration of mind (that can not

> > be

> > > > > > measured)

> > > > > > > > with seemingly scientific KP system seems like a bad idea.

> > Though

> > > > this

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > one of the most important lesson of KP that is not found in KP

> > > > books

> > > > > > and I

> > > > > > > > thought I would share it with forum members, however illogical

> > it

> > > > may

> > > > > > > > sound.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 7:32 PM, tw853 <tw853 >

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > > > Varied RPs cannot give the same rectified birth time.

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > tw

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. In the conclusion of K. Baskaran's " Secrets of RP & the

> > Birth

> > > > > > Time "

> > > > > > > > (1999, pp 94-96) that four astrologers got varied RPs for the

> > same

> > > > > > chart by

> > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > Rule.

> > > > > > > > 2. Narhari Khake also got different RPs in three tests for the

> > same

> > > > > > doubtful

> > > > > > > > chart by the same Rule. (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31)

> > 3.UNFORTUNATELY,

> > > > AS

> > > > > > > > FAR AS MY KNOWLEGE GOES, THERE IS NO SUCH COMMON SOLUTTION.

> > > > (K.P.KUPPU

> > > > > > > > GANAPATHI) http://groups.

> > > > > > > > > / group/k_p_ system/message/ 5054

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkit,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is what i told in the earlier E-mail about the

> > accuracy in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > calculation under the topic " UTMOST ACCURACY " .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > For your last paragraph about RBT by different person at

> > > > different

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > will it be same?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > To find the how RP works with various people around the

> > world

> > > > you

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > POST one birth chart with date/time/place including

> > > > latitude/longitude

> > > > > > value

> > > > > > > > (with some minute modification or without modification) to the

> > > > forum

> > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > and request them to check the birth time and rectify it (if

> > > > necessary)

> > > > > > based

> > > > > > > > on the individual RP and let them post it for the forum members

> > > > > > discussion.

> > > > > > > > This will answer your question.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hope the members will agree my statement.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > GOOD LUCK!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > D.Senthil

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/14/09, venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah@ ...

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah@ ...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > MK rule of birth time rectification -

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > clarification needed

> > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009, 2:17 AM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Recently I went through a document about " MK rule for birth

> > > > time

> > > > > > > > rectification. The Rule seems simple and handy. I want to know,

> > is

> > > > > > there any

> > > > > > > > research went as similar to the MPS rule about the reliability

> > of

> > > > this

> > > > > > rule.

> > > > > > > > In simple words the rule states the connectivity of Asc sublord

> > > > with

> > > > > > moon's

> > > > > > > > star/sub lords. Then if moon itself comes as the Asc sublord,

> > will

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > situation binds to the rules defined. For example let the Asc

> > sub

> > > > lord

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > moon and there is no other connection in star/sub lord level of

> > > > moon,

> > > > > > Then

> > > > > > > > cann't we consider this as a connection of Asc with Moon?

> > Another

> > > > > > > > circumstatnce is Lagna and moon star lord are same but not at

> > > > sublord

> > > > > > level?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Another problem with the rule is, I checked the example in

> > the

> > > > > > document

> > > > > > > > using JH software, there I got different SSL and SSSL for the

> > same

> > > > > > data, So

> > > > > > > > I think, going as deep to SSSL level with the help of even

> > software

> > > > may

> > > > > > lead

> > > > > > > > to erronous output.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > MK rule document one method of rectification based on sex

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > which is bit confusing and need more clarification with

> > examples.

> > > > Is

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > any way to rectify the birth time with the horary number

> > collected

> > > > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > person came for analysis and finding the ruling planets from

> > that

> > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Once when we find a connection between Asc sublord and

> > moon,

> > > > then

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > there any need for further rectification. Because the client

> > won't

> > > > give

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > birth time correct to seconds, but when we rectify the birth

> > time,

> > > > we

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > time correct to seconds. But relaying on ruling planets at time

> > of

> > > > > > analysis

> > > > > > > > creates anothor problem like, our watch may not be as much

> > correct

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > seconds with IST, so that we can get ruling palnets up to the

> > > > sublord

> > > > > > level.

> > > > > > > > Then How do we rectify the birthtime with ruling planet, Mostly

> > our

> > > > > > watch

> > > > > > > > have an error of +/-3 min with actual IST.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Another doubt is, suppose one rectified a birth time using

> > > > ruling

> > > > > > > > planet at the time of analysis, and If another person try to

> > > > rectify

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > same horoscope at some other time, will he be arrive at the

> > same

> > > > > > rectified

> > > > > > > > time, because the ruling planet in the second time may be

> > > > different.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please clarify my doubts.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 17, 2009

Dear Yogesh Lajmi,

You've messed up a little bit. RPs are just one of selection methods of fruitful

significators.

Regards,

tw

Abstract from KP for Beginners; Part 12, KPE-zine June 2009.

Step 4: Selection of Fruitful Significators

7. Out of the significators mentioned in step 2, select the fruitful

significators as follows:

1) Significtors which are common with the Ruling Planets,

2) Significators which are posited in the stars of the cuspal sub lords of

required houses for a matter under consideration, 2,7,11 for marriage,

3) Significators which are the cuspal sub lords of the required houses,

4) Significators of planets without having any planet in their stars, which are

strongest to give the results of the houses by being the sub lord to them.

(Golden Rule: Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators

whose constellations are not tenanted),

5) Significators appearing many times amongst the Ruling Planets and

significators.

8. Ruling Planets or other methods of selecting fruitful significators can to be

used in fixing timing of event by DBAS.

, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

>

> Dear TW,

> The Golden Rule in K.P., is to take planets common among the

RPs and significators :

> Select only those which are posited in the sub of a

significator,whose star is untenanted,

> as only these will be most fruitful...

> You had not said so, " in so many words,but you did imply

it...as I understood it... "

> With kind regards,

> Yogesh Lajmi.

>

> ________________________________

> tw853 <tw853

>

> Wednesday, June 17, 2009 1:55:10 PM

> Re: MK rule of birth time rectification - some

clarification needed

>

> Dear Yogesh Lajmi,

>

> Who said the system is wrong??

>

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Deaw Tin Win,

> > The System is not wrong...the application and the

conclusions drawn are... !

> > Yogesh Lajmi

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > tw853 <tw853@>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Wednesday, June 17, 2009 1:09:23 AM

> > Re: MK rule of birth time rectification - some

clarification needed

> >

> > Dear Pundit ji,

> >

> > 1. What Shri KSK has stated?

> > 2. I haven't said anything wright or wrong.

> > 3. My stand point is that " all four people CANNOT come

> > up with the same (and correct) birth time by the application of RP-based BTR

methods " .

> > 4. For my statement hard evidence is already provided there.

> > 5. How will all four people with different levels of urge will come up with

the same and correct) birth time by the application of RP-based BRT methods as

you've said?

> > Thanks and regards,

> > tw

> >

> > > > >

> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > >

> > > 1. I have only repeated what Shri KSK has stated. RP based BTR is either

> > > right or wrong. You can not say that it is wrong when applied by more than

> > > one astrologers and right when applied by a single astrologer. Please

> > > clarify your stand point.

> > >

> > > 2. If you feel that it is incorrect, you should provide the hard-evidence

> > > because it is against what Shri KSK has said. I know that we can not do

that

> > > because a) there is no way we can measure urge, b) even we know about our

> > > urge, we can not take other people's responsiblity.

> > >

> > > 3. I do not understand what you find contradictory after thinking and

> > > rethinking. Can you please explain?

> > >

> > > 4. I agree with what you have said in other email that KP can be practised

> > > without RPs. If we are not convinced about RP, we should simply ignore

them.

> > > Though I have personally found them very useful.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:46 PM, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Punit ji,

> > > > 1. Could you kindly provide hard evidence that " all four people will

come

> > > > up with the same (and correct) birth time by the application of RP " by

> > > > taking any horoscope for example.

> > > > 2. In my understanding by thinking and rethinking the above your

statement

> > > > and the nature of RPs you've mentioned are contradicting. 3. Let us wait

and

> > > > see hard evidence.

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,

Punit

> > > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Please see response to your first three points as follows -

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. My saying that I have " difference of opinion " is based on my

> > > > > understanding of your email. From your earlier email I understand that

> > > > you

> > > > > mean that if four people are asked to do birth time rectification

using

> > > > RP,

> > > > > they will come up with the different birth time. Is this understanding

of

> > > > > your email correct? If this understanding correct, then I have a

> > > > difference

> > > > > of opinion and according to me, all four people will come up with the

> > > > same

> > > > > (and correct) birth time by the application of RP.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. However, we need to understand the application and limitation of

RP.

> > > > > Success of RP depends upon the situation where we want to use RP. In

the

> > > > > last example I have mentioned that if we have just to select a sub

lord,

> > > > all

> > > > > astrologers will come up with the same planet. Though if the birth

time

> > > > is

> > > > > totally unknown or the time-range is quite broad, RP alone will not

work

> > > > and

> > > > > we should use it as a supporting tool for any other method (e.g. event

> > > > > basted rectification) that suits to that particular case. RPs alone

are

> > > > just

> > > > > suited for miner events/ time.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. In my opinion, Rahul Gandhi's birth time rectification is not a

good

> > > > test

> > > > > case for us due to two reasons - a) we don't have a known range of

> > > > > time available with us, so we don't know even RPs are applicable here

or

> > > > > not. b) Even if we came up with the correct time, there is no way we

can

> > > > > verify that. If we have to test our skills, we have to test it on some

> > > > chart

> > > > > where correct birth time is already known. When the astrologer it

putting

> > > > > the quiz, he should also give possible time-range where actual birth

time

> > > > > falls.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:49 AM, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Punit ji, D.Senthil, Adith and Friends,

> > > > > > 1. Could kindly explain what are the particular differences between

my

> > > > view

> > > > > > given below and what is mentioned by Punit ji?

> > > > > > In the RPs based BTR methods, the changing RPs depending on time,

place

> > > > and

> > > > > > astrologer and urge may not always be helpful to everybody. (KP for

> > > > > > Beginners: Part 12, KPE-zine Jun 2009)

> > > > > > 2. Can RPs as divine tool depending on the seriousness of urge give

a

> > > > > > common solution?

> > > > > > 3. Could kindly one demonstrate to get the common TOB for your

favorite

> > > > for

> > > > > > next PM Rahul Gandhi for THREE times on THREE different dates by the

> > > > same

> > > > > > RPs-based BTR method using the following available information?

> > > > > > 5:50 AM, 12:10PM, 12:35PM, 19th of June 1970, New Delhi.

> > > > > > (Msg#11434/24904/ 24912/24919)

> > > > > > 3. Could THREE BTR practitioners demonstrate to get the common TOB

for

> > > > > > Rahul Gandhi by their preferred DIFFERENT RPs-based BTR methods?.

> > > > > > 4. It would be clear if it is mentioned which time is taken as TOB,

the

> > > > > > moment when the whole body of child has got separated from the womb

of

> > > > the

> > > > > > mother or the time of first breath or first cry etc..

> > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > tw

> > > > > >

> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40.

com><k_p_ system%

> > > > 40. com>, Senthil

> > > > > > <athi_ram@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear TW/Members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes RP is a devine tool and I agree with punit. As I suggested

> > > > earlier,

> > > > > > we all do one simple exercise (hope it will not take much time) for

> > > > checking

> > > > > > birth time using RP for RBT (if necessary). May be venkit/TW or any

of

> > > > our

> > > > > > forum member can post one natal chart which they may feel that more

> > > > correct

> > > > > > (with some minutes correction or without correction) for testing the

RP

> > > > at

> > > > > > different place.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope all will get some clue through RP to arrive the correct

birth

> > > > > > time. Let us do one simple exercise.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > GOOD LUCK!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > D.Senthil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > > > > > Re: Re: MK rule of birth time rectification

-

> > > > some

> > > > > > clarification needed

> > > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40.

com><k_p_ system%

> > > > 40. com>

> > > >

> > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009, 4:14 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Tw ji and Friends,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have difference of opinion with Tw ji and Kuppu Ganpathi ji on

this

> > > > > > topic. We must note that it is not necessary to have exactly the

same

> > > > RPs to

> > > > > > come up with the same birth time. Generally during BTR process, we

know

> > > > what

> > > > > > exactly we want to fix. For example, if the difference of time is in

> > > > the

> > > > > > range of 10 minutes of so, we just want to fix sub lord of the

> > > > ascendant and

> > > > > > it will give us good enough time. If RPs are applied correctly,

> > > > everybody

> > > > > > will get that planet (real sub lord of ascendant of that person) in

his

> > > > list

> > > > > > of RPs as a powerful RP and everybody will be able to fix correct

time

> > > > of

> > > > > > birth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Having said that, please allow me to share my mind on RP. I have

seen

> > > > > > many people complaining that they don't get good results with RP.

RPs

> > > > are

> > > > > > known as divine tool. I define divine nature of RP using three

> > > > parameters -

> > > > > > urge, 'faith in RP' and 'clarity of mind' of the astrologer. A lot

has

> > > > been

> > > > > > discussed about the urge in KP. Truly speaking, as I gain more

> > > > experience in

> > > > > > KP, I feel that the other two factors faith and 'clarity of mind'

are

> > > > > > more important than urge. 'Faith in RP' plays very important role in

> > > > > > getting correct results from RP. Most importantly, I have seen that

I

> > > > don't

> > > > > > get good help from RP when I don't have clarity of my mind. I

believe

> > > > that

> > > > > > peace of mind of an astrologer or focussed mind is very very

important

> > > > if an

> > > > > > astrologer wants to take help from RP.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So in absence of urge, faith and clarity of mind, people get

> > > > different

> > > > > > level of support from RP. In the quoted experiment people came up

with

> > > > > > different birth time, because RPs have not rendered the same level

of

> > > > > > support to all participants. I may sound irrational at this point of

> > > > time

> > > > > > and can be criticized for this unscientific thinking. Especially

> > > > > > associating urge, faith and concentration of mind (that can not be

> > > > measured)

> > > > > > with seemingly scientific KP system seems like a bad idea. Though

this

> > > > is

> > > > > > one of the most important lesson of KP that is not found in KP books

> > > > and I

> > > > > > thought I would share it with forum members, however illogical it

may

> > > > > > sound.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 7:32 PM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > Varied RPs cannot give the same rectified birth time.

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > tw

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. In the conclusion of K. Baskaran's " Secrets of RP & the Birth

> > > > Time "

> > > > > > (1999, pp 94-96) that four astrologers got varied RPs for the same

> > > > chart by

> > > > > > the same

> > > > > > Rule.

> > > > > > 2. Narhari Khake also got different RPs in three tests for the same

> > > > doubtful

> > > > > > chart by the same Rule. (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) 3.UNFORTUNATELY,

AS

> > > > > > FAR AS MY KNOWLEGE GOES, THERE IS NO SUCH COMMON SOLUTTION.

(K.P.KUPPU

> > > > > > GANAPATHI) http://groups.

> > > > > > > / group/k_p_ system/message/ 5054

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Venkit,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is what i told in the earlier E-mail about the accuracy in

the

> > > > > > calculation under the topic " UTMOST ACCURACY " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For your last paragraph about RBT by different person at

different

> > > > time

> > > > > > will it be same?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To find the how RP works with various people around the world

you

> > > > can

> > > > > > POST one birth chart with date/time/place including

latitude/longitude

> > > > value

> > > > > > (with some minute modification or without modification) to the forum

> > > > members

> > > > > > and request them to check the birth time and rectify it (if

necessary)

> > > > based

> > > > > > on the individual RP and let them post it for the forum members

> > > > discussion.

> > > > > > This will answer your question.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hope the members will agree my statement.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > GOOD LUCK!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > D.Senthil

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/14/09, venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah@ ... wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah@ ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > MK rule of birth time rectification - some

> > > > > > clarification needed

> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009, 2:17 AM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Recently I went through a document about " MK rule for birth time

> > > > > > rectification. The Rule seems simple and handy. I want to know, is

> > > > there any

> > > > > > research went as similar to the MPS rule about the reliability of

this

> > > > rule.

> > > > > > In simple words the rule states the connectivity of Asc sublord with

> > > > moon's

> > > > > > star/sub lords. Then if moon itself comes as the Asc sublord, will

that

> > > > > > situation binds to the rules defined. For example let the Asc sub

lord

> > > > be

> > > > > > moon and there is no other connection in star/sub lord level of

moon,

> > > > Then

> > > > > > cann't we consider this as a connection of Asc with Moon? Another

> > > > > > circumstatnce is Lagna and moon star lord are same but not at

sublord

> > > > level?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Another problem with the rule is, I checked the example in the

> > > > document

> > > > > > using JH software, there I got different SSL and SSSL for the same

> > > > data, So

> > > > > > I think, going as deep to SSSL level with the help of even software

may

> > > > lead

> > > > > > to erronous output.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > MK rule document one method of rectification based on sex of the

> > > > person

> > > > > > which is bit confusing and need more clarification with examples. Is

> > > > there

> > > > > > any way to rectify the birth time with the horary number collected

from

> > > > the

> > > > > > person came for analysis and finding the ruling planets from that

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Once when we find a connection between Asc sublord and moon,

then

> > > > is

> > > > > > there any need for further rectification. Because the client won't

give

> > > > the

> > > > > > birth time correct to seconds, but when we rectify the birth time,

we

> > > > get

> > > > > > time correct to seconds. But relaying on ruling planets at time of

> > > > analysis

> > > > > > creates anothor problem like, our watch may not be as much correct

to

> > > > > > seconds with IST, so that we can get ruling palnets up to the

sublord

> > > > level.

> > > > > > Then How do we rectify the birthtime with ruling planet, Mostly our

> > > > watch

> > > > > > have an error of +/-3 min with actual IST.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Another doubt is, suppose one rectified a birth time using

ruling

> > > > > > planet at the time of analysis, and If another person try to rectify

> > > > the

> > > > > > same horoscope at some other time, will he be arrive at the same

> > > > rectified

> > > > > > time, because the ruling planet in the second time may be different.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please clarify my doubts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 17, 2009

Dear Tw ji, Yogesh ji and Friends, It seems that there are two schools of thought in the application of RP. One school prefers using RP and other doesn't. We already discussed that it is very difficult to either prove or disprove any of the schools. So I would request member to put a full stop and move on. The people who want to use RP, they can continue using it and the people who don't want to use RP, they can continue KP without RP. Let us leave it to the personal preference.

Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:07 PM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear L.Y.Rao,

Why don't you use yourself a RP-based BTR method?

Pl try yourself first to develop your Intuitive mind or power.

But KP is for any layman.

Good luck!

tw

, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

>

> Dear TIN WIN,

> I completely disagree with you...the Ruling Planet Theory has stood the Test of Time...

> and it has been repeatedly demonstrated that the Ruling Planets at Birth, play an important role throughout one's life and will be found ruling every major event in one's life...careful selection of the most fruitful RPs is the art of the science...!

> Kindly check up some old issues of Astrology and Athrishta the precursor to K.P. & Astrology Magazine...

> After years of diligence and devotion and practice,it is possible to develop the faculty of intuition...which will help pin-pointedly choose unerringly, the correct Ruling Planets...such K.P. astrologers,blessed with powerful intuitive powers, we might come across very rarely...but they do exist...and are not so rare as we might presume...true,some are God-gifted but most have developed it,over time...

> Swami Vivekananda had stressed and recommended that our Intuitive mind keeps telling us many things,all the time,and that simply by listening to him every time,one can develop a powerful intuitive faculty...but our so-calledrational and logical thinking prevents us from paying heed to it...over time our intuitive mind just stops telling us...anything...unfortunately...(Result of Modern Education ? !).

> Every astrologer in order to excell in predictive techniques must devote time to develop intuitive powers...else he will remain an ordinary astrologer(sooth-sayer)...for life...

> This is my humble suggestion to all budding astrologers...

> With the very best wishes,

> L.Y.Rao.

> GOOD LUCK !

>

> ________________________________

> tw853 <tw853

>

> Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:58:14 PM

> Re: MK rule of birth time rectification - some clarification needed

>

> Dear Friends,

> RPs are not one of three pillars of KP ie. Hindu zodiac, Vimshottari dasa system and Placidus house system. RPs are only a supporting tool and without using them KP can be practiced.

> Regards,

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear friends

> > I was told that if there is no RP then there is no KP. I was told that the success of KP is due to RP. At the earlier stage, I approached five professional KP Astrologers to rectify my birth time, my daughter's birth time and my son's birth time. All the five gave five different RBT for each. At the same time, everyone is claiming that their RBT alone is correct. So I have lost the hope on the KP.

> > Due to the above, Mr.Mohankumar has tried to develop a BTR method without using RP.

> > I accept that no two astrologers can give same rectified birth time through RP.

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Tue, 6/16/09, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > tw853 <tw853@>

> > Re: MK rule of birth time rectification - some clarification needed

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 2:19 AM

> >

> > Dear Punit ji, D.Senthil, Adith and Friends,

> > 1. Could kindly explain what are the particular differences between my view given below and what is mentioned by Punit ji?

> > In the RPs based BTR methods, the changing RPs depending on time, place and astrologer and urge may not always be helpful to everybody. (KP for Beginners: Part 12, KPE-zine Jun 2009)

> > 2. Can RPs as divine tool depending on the seriousness of urge give a common solution?

> > 3. Could kindly one demonstrate to get the common TOB for your favorite for next PM Rahul Gandhi for THREE times on THREE different dates by the same RPs-based BTR method using the following available information?

> > 5:50 AM, 12:10PM, 12:35PM, 19th of June 1970, New Delhi. (Msg#11434/24904/ 24912/24919)

> > 3. Could THREE BTR practitioners demonstrate to get the common TOB for Rahul Gandhi by their preferred DIFFERENT RPs-based BTR methods?.

> > 4. It would be clear if it is mentioned which time is taken as TOB, the moment when the whole body of child has got separated from the womb of the mother or the time of first breath or first cry etc..

> > Thanks and regards,

> > tw

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@ .> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear TW/Members,

> > >

> > > Yes RP is a devine tool and I agree with punit. As I suggested earlier, we all do one simple exercise (hope it will not take much time) for checking birth time using RP for RBT (if necessary). May be venkit/TW or any of our forum member can post one natal chart which they may feel that more correct (with some minutes correction or without correction) for testing the RP at different place.

> > >

> > > I hope all will get some clue through RP to arrive the correct birth time.. Let us do one simple exercise.

> > >

> > > GOOD LUCK!

> > >

> > > D.Senthil

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > Re: Re: MK rule of birth time rectification - some clarification needed

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Monday, June 15, 2009, 4:14 AM

> > >

> > > Dear Tw ji and Friends,

> > >

> > > I have difference of opinion with Tw ji and Kuppu Ganpathi ji on this topic. We must note that it is not necessary to have exactly the same RPs to come up with the same birth time. Generally during BTR process, we know what exactly we want to fix. For example, if the difference of time is in the range of 10 minutes of so, we just want to fix sub lord of the ascendant and it will give us good enough time. If RPs are applied correctly, everybody will get that planet (real sub lord of ascendant of that person) in his list of RPs as a powerful RP and everybody will be able to fix correct time of birth.

> > >

> > > Having said that, please allow me to share my mind on RP. I have seen many people complaining that they don't get good results with RP. RPs are known as divine tool. I define divine nature of RP using three parameters - urge, 'faith in RP' and 'clarity of mind' of the astrologer. A lot has been discussed about the urge in KP. Truly speaking, as I gain more experience in KP, I feel that the other two factors faith and 'clarity of mind' are more important than urge. 'Faith in RP' plays very important role in getting correct results from RP. Most importantly, I have seen that I don't get good help from RP when I don't have clarity of my mind. I believe that peace of mind of an astrologer or focussed mind is very very important if an astrologer wants to take help from RP.

> > >

> > > So in absence of urge, faith and clarity of mind, people get different level of support from RP. In the quoted experiment people came up with different birth time, because RPs have not rendered the same level of support to all participants. I may sound irrational at this point of time and can be criticized for this unscientific thinking. Especially associating urge, faith and concentration of mind (that can not be measured) with seemingly scientific KP system seems like a bad idea. Though this is one of the most important lesson of KP that is not found in KP books and I thought I would share it with forum members, however illogical it may sound.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 7:32 PM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > Varied RPs cannot give the same rectified birth time.

> > > Regards,

> > > tw

> > >

> > > 1. In the conclusion of K. Baskaran's " Secrets of RP & the Birth Time " (1999, pp 94-96) that four astrologers got varied RPs for the same chart by the same Rule. 2. Narhari Khake also got different RPs in three tests for the same doubtful chart by the same Rule. (KP Year Book, 1998, p 31) 3.UNFORTUNATELY, AS FAR AS MY KNOWLEGE GOES, THERE IS NO SUCH COMMON SOLUTTION. (K.P.KUPPU GANAPATHI) http://groups.

> > > / group/k_p_ system/message/ 5054

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Venkit,

> > > >

> > > > This is what i told in the earlier E-mail about the accuracy in the calculation under the topic " UTMOST ACCURACY " .

> > > >

> > > > For your last paragraph about RBT by different person at different time will it be same?

> > > >

> > > > To find the how RP works with various people around the world you can POST one birth chart with date/time/place including latitude/longitude value (with some minute modification or without modification) to the forum members and request them to check the birth time and rectify it (if necessary) based on the individual RP and let them post it for the forum members discussion. This will answer your question.

> > > >

> > > > Hope the members will agree my statement.

> > > >

> > > > GOOD LUCK!

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > D.Senthil

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 6/14/09, venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah@ ... wrote:

> > > >

> > > > venkit_subbiah venkit_subbiah@ ...

> > >

> > > > MK rule of birth time rectification - some clarification needed

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009, 2:17 AM

> > > >

> > > > Recently I went through a document about " MK rule for birth time rectification. The Rule seems simple and handy. I want to know, is there any research went as similar to the MPS rule about the reliability of this rule. In simple words the rule states the connectivity of Asc sublord with moon's star/sub lords. Then if moon itself comes as the Asc sublord, will that situation binds to the rules defined. For example let the Asc sub lord be moon and there is no other connection in star/sub lord level of moon, Then cann't we consider this as a connection of Asc with Moon? Another circumstatnce is Lagna and moon star lord are same but not at sublord level?

> > > >

> > > > Another problem with the rule is, I checked the example in the document using JH software, there I got different SSL and SSSL for the same data, So I think, going as deep to SSSL level with the help of even software may lead to erronous output.

> > > >

> > > > MK rule document one method of rectification based on sex of the person which is bit confusing and need more clarification with examples. Is there any way to rectify the birth time with the horary number collected from the person came for analysis and finding the ruling planets from that chart.

> > > >

> > > > Once when we find a connection between Asc sublord and moon, then is there any need for further rectification. Because the client won't give the birth time correct to seconds, but when we rectify the birth time, we get time correct to seconds. But relaying on ruling planets at time of analysis creates anothor problem like, our watch may not be as much correct to seconds with IST, so that we can get ruling palnets up to the sublord level. Then How do we rectify the birthtime with ruling planet, Mostly our watch have an error of +/-3 min with actual IST.

> > > >

> > > > Another doubt is, suppose one rectified a birth time using ruling planet at the time of analysis, and If another person try to rectify the same horoscope at some other time, will he be arrive at the same rectified time, because the ruling planet in the second time may be different.

> > > >

> > > > Please clarify my doubts.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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