Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 The horoscope is interesting from another angle.The ascendant SL and SSL do not show moon's star.Can the time of birth be treated as correct? What is the comment of experts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009  Dear Dr.Luther Rath, I respect your opinion on 'D' grade significators. In K.P. Bolo/Articles, there is mention about the strong significators by choosing from 'A', 'B', 'C' 'D','E' significations and that there is no mention that 'D' group significators should not be considered or it can be considered. When there is a mention a bout inclusion of ;E' grade significators in certain circumstances, I too feel that the 'D' significators are not to be dropped altogether. Henc I I accept your view in toto. Thanks, K.S.V.Ramani - Luther Rath Sunday, July 05, 2009 11:33 AM Re: Re: first child birth Dear Ramaniji, Namasthe. I am no mor raising the issue of my scientific explanations or view now. As regards the gradations of the significators as A, B, C or D; I am to say that I do not want to relegate the D grade significtors. The signification may be weak but it is a significator. Even if A, B or C grade significators are available D one cannot be over-looked. I think we have to consider first come first basis. At the same time one has to observe the relationship between the DBAS in the chart and secondly their relationship in transit. I need your views on mine. With due regards. Ramani <kadavasalramani > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:12:28 PMRe: Re: first child birth  Dear Subhashji, I am thankful for your promp reply and detailed clarification. I am far junior to you in experience. Pl. excuse me if I have exceeded my limit. As regards Dro Luther's scientific way of explanation for the aspect, your opinion is the same with me. In my humble opinion, D grade signification will come, in only if A. B. C significations are vacant. D grade significator may give its result not as a strong significator but it may be a supporting planet. Will you kindly give me reference of D signficator giving strong results? Thanks & Regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Subhash Ektare @gro ups.com Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:48 PM Re: Re: first child birth Dear Ramani ji, “Four Step Theory†is developed by Shri Sunil Gondhalekar. He is not the developer of any software. The software I use (and also Shri Sunil ji uses) is Astro-Kundali developed by Dr. Karekar. The signification of Jupiter as given by this software is authentic as far as 4 step theory is concerned. This signification of Jupiter is not my own working, it is as per rules of 4 step theory. I agree with you that Jupiter’s first step shall be “Nilâ€. Here little explanation is needed for the extract from the software. Houses shown in brackets are strongly signified and those not in brackets are weak significators. As per 4 step theory, only strong significators are empowered to give results. Weak significators, even though shown, are not empowered to give results. Thus they are equivalent to “Nilâ€. That is the way of representation by the s/w developer Dr. Karekar. In KP, planet is said to have self-strength when it is in its own star or if there are no planets in any of the stars owned by it. I fully agree with this. Another basic rule as per KP is that a planet gives result of the house occupied by its star lord (even if star lord do not have self-strength) and the house(s) owned by this star lord if unoccupied (even if star lord do not have self-strength) . Therefore in this case though Jupiter is not having self strength, it is empowered to give results of houses 9 (by occupation) 2 and 11 (owned by Jupiter and unoccupied) when it appears as a star lord. Here Jupiter is represented by self-strong Ketu at 4th step (star of sub Ven) and hence gets full strength for giving results of these houses. This is what my understanding about KP and “Four Step Theory†is. Shri. Gondhalekar ji and other senior members may correct me if I am wrong. Leaving aside this controversy, all members will agree that Jupiter is “D Grade†significator of houses 2 and 11 as an owner. Are “D Grade†significators barred from giving results ? As far as I know they are not barred. So what is the point in discussion about whether Jupiter is significator of houses of marriage i.e. 2, 7 and 11. Dr. Rath has given nice and scientific explanation of his views. With due apologies to him I beg to differ with his views. Reasons are (1) there is no aspect between Sun and Jupiter (2) Just retrogression of Jupiter cannot be taken as aspect. (3) In view of my opinion as mentioned above I do not find any necessity to somehow connect Jupiter to Sun through aspect or otherwise. I hope I have made my point clear. Subhash Ektare Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comWednesday, June 24, 2009 7:12:50 PMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Subhashji, Is it your own working of 4 steps method for Jupiter Planet or it is of Sri Sunil Gondhalekar' s SW of 4 steps extraction? My understanding of K.P.System is that unless a Planet is with self strength i.e no other planet is in its stas, Jupiter's 1st step is ' nil'. In 4th step, it is Ketu with self strength. As such Ketu will signify its own position of 10th and as he is in own star again 10th, and his Rasi Lord's signification i.e. Jupiter. This should be Jupiter's position in 9th with his star lord Saturn's position of 8th, (1-12). Ketu's signification of his Rasi lord's own houses 2-11 will be shared by 2 other planets viz.Sun and Mercury who are in the star of Jupiter. Kethu too will signify 2-11 as the houses are vacant. But the strength of three planets (Sun, Mer.,Ketu) are to be seen with reference to their sub lord as to who is more strong to give the result of 2-11. Merc. and Kethu only emerge for 2-11, as Sun in the Satn sub. who is not signfr. of 2-11, is out of question. In any case Jupiter's own signfn. of 2-11 is very feeble. He is strong for 8,1-12 and 10th only He does not signify 2-11, though 8th is only a supporting house. Other important houses for marriage significators of 2,7,11 are missing. Kindly review my above statement and offer your valuable comments. My doubt was Dr.Luther Rath's statement of Jupiter R in aspect with Sun as both of them are in opposition. For this Dr.Rath has furnished hi explanation very scientifically with maps. Kindly also let me have your opinion about this, as I going by astrological way of aspect and not scientifically, to which my knowlege is poor. Kindly correct me if I am wrong. With regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Subhash @gro ups.com Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:12 PM Re: first child birth Respected Sir,I have been following this thread for quite some time. With due apologies for intruding, I would like to offer my comments worth 2 cents.Girl DOB 8 Jul 1983.....TOB 22:23......POB Chennai, TamilnaduThe marriage of the girl was celebrated in Jup-Jup-Jup DBA.The signification of Jupiter according to "Four Step Theory" isItself :----------- --- Jupiter:- 9 2 11 It's N.Swami :-------- Saturn:- (8) (1) (12) It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11) Moon-Drusht (4) 6Houses mentioned in bracket are strong signification. In my opinion, 4th step in "Four Step Theory" is a step of success which guides the astrologer to correct solution where analysis based on (1) planet (2) it's star lord and (3) it's sub lord fails as in present case.If you see signification of Jupiter (given above) it signifies house 8 through it's star lord Saturn. In four step theory house 8 is considered as supporting house for marriage. But even if this is not acceptable, kindly see it's signification in 4th step. Through Jupiter, the rashi swami of Ketu it signifies 2 as well as 11. And this signification is enough for giving marriage according to me. (Please note that Jupiter is lord of 2 and 11, but this is considered as weak signification because there are planets in Jupiter's star viz Sun and Mercury). It is therefore not necessary to link Jupiter to 7th house through Sun, the only significator of 7th house.Now, regarding the child birth. 5 CSL is Saturn and it's signification isItself :----------- --- Saturn:- 8 1 12 It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11) Moon-Drusht (4) 6It is worth noting that Saturn does not signify 2, 5 or 11 at planet, star or sub level, leading us to conclude that she will not be lucky to have a child. But again on 4th step it signifies 2 and 11 so we can boldly conclude that she is destined to have a child.Comments from seniors and stalwarts are welcome.Subhash Ektare@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@. ..> wrote:>> Respected Sir, Please find my answer in the attachment.> Dr.Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Ramani kadavasalramani@ ...> @gro ups.com> Monday, June 22, 2009 4:07:24 PM> Re: first child birth> > > > > > Dear Dr.Rath,> > I saw your analysis reg. marriage of the girl under query.> Though the 7th SL devoid of marriage significations of 2,7,11 and has no strong reason for it to give marriage, > except his aspect on 11th, your rasoning is accepted. But in regard to Jupiter ® vs. Sun (aspect) is very much> confusing. Jupiter is posited in 10th in Retro. motion.> This means Jupiter is moving backward towars 9th,> while the Sun is in 4th Bhavam but physically in Gemini.> Jupiter if considered as in 10th it cannot aspect Sun in Gemini. Jupiter while moving backward cannot be said to aspet Sun in Gemini. Another thing, whether position of earth is Sun's place?. I request you kindly to clarity these.> > Regards,> > K.S.V.Ramani> - > Luther Rath > @gro ups.com > Monday, June 15, 2009 11:14 AM> Re: first child birth [1 Attachment]> > Dear Sir, Please find the attachment.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> balaanand53 anandbala9 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM> first child birth> > > Dear Members,> > It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child?> > Girl's details are as follows:> DOB:8th July 1983> TOB:22:23 hours IST> POB:Madras India> > Your response will be much appreciated.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Nice to hear from you Dear Ramaniji. In fact no significators can be ignored. It is the question of selection by screening of fruitful significators basing on DBAS and transit of the significators. Thank you so much for your opinion. With regards. Dr. Rath Ramani <kadavasalramani Sent: Monday, July 6, 2009 8:40:08 PMRe: Re: first child birth  Dear Dr.Luther Rath, I respect your opinion on 'D' grade significators. In K.P. Bolo/Articles, there is mention about the strong significators by choosing from 'A', 'B', 'C' 'D','E' significations and that there is no mention that 'D' group significators should not be considered or it can be considered. When there is a mention a bout inclusion of ;E' grade significators in certain circumstances, I too feel that the 'D' significators are not to be dropped altogether. Henc I I accept your view in toto. Thanks, K.S.V.Ramani - Luther Rath @gro ups.com Sunday, July 05, 2009 11:33 AM Re: Re: first child birth Dear Ramaniji, Namasthe. I am no mor raising the issue of my scientific explanations or view now. As regards the gradations of the significators as A, B, C or D; I am to say that I do not want to relegate the D grade significtors. The signification may be weak but it is a significator. Even if A, B or C grade significators are available D one cannot be over-looked. I think we have to consider first come first basis. At the same time one has to observe the relationship between the DBAS in the chart and secondly their relationship in transit. I need your views on mine. With due regards. Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comThursday, June 25, 2009 7:12:28 PMRe: Re: first child birth  Dear Subhashji, I am thankful for your promp reply and detailed clarification. I am far junior to you in experience. Pl. excuse me if I have exceeded my limit. As regards Dro Luther's scientific way of explanation for the aspect, your opinion is the same with me. In my humble opinion, D grade signification will come, in only if A. B. C significations are vacant. D grade significator may give its result not as a strong significator but it may be a supporting planet. Will you kindly give me reference of D signficator giving strong results? Thanks & Regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Subhash Ektare @gro ups.com Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:48 PM Re: Re: first child birth Dear Ramani ji, “Four Step Theory†is developed by Shri Sunil Gondhalekar. He is not the developer of any software. The software I use (and also Shri Sunil ji uses) is Astro-Kundali developed by Dr. Karekar. The signification of Jupiter as given by this software is authentic as far as 4 step theory is concerned. This signification of Jupiter is not my own working, it is as per rules of 4 step theory. I agree with you that Jupiter’s first step shall be “Nilâ€. Here little explanation is needed for the extract from the software. Houses shown in brackets are strongly signified and those not in brackets are weak significators. As per 4 step theory, only strong significators are empowered to give results. Weak significators, even though shown, are not empowered to give results. Thus they are equivalent to “Nilâ€. That is the way of representation by the s/w developer Dr. Karekar. In KP, planet is said to have self-strength when it is in its own star or if there are no planets in any of the stars owned by it. I fully agree with this. Another basic rule as per KP is that a planet gives result of the house occupied by its star lord (even if star lord do not have self-strength) and the house(s) owned by this star lord if unoccupied (even if star lord do not have self-strength) . Therefore in this case though Jupiter is not having self strength, it is empowered to give results of houses 9 (by occupation) 2 and 11 (owned by Jupiter and unoccupied) when it appears as a star lord. Here Jupiter is represented by self-strong Ketu at 4th step (star of sub Ven) and hence gets full strength for giving results of these houses. This is what my understanding about KP and “Four Step Theory†is. Shri. Gondhalekar ji and other senior members may correct me if I am wrong. Leaving aside this controversy, all members will agree that Jupiter is “D Grade†significator of houses 2 and 11 as an owner. Are “D Grade†significators barred from giving results ? As far as I know they are not barred. So what is the point in discussion about whether Jupiter is significator of houses of marriage i.e. 2, 7 and 11. Dr. Rath has given nice and scientific explanation of his views. With due apologies to him I beg to differ with his views. Reasons are (1) there is no aspect between Sun and Jupiter (2) Just retrogression of Jupiter cannot be taken as aspect. (3) In view of my opinion as mentioned above I do not find any necessity to somehow connect Jupiter to Sun through aspect or otherwise. I hope I have made my point clear. Subhash Ektare Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comWednesday, June 24, 2009 7:12:50 PMRe: Re: first child birth Dear Subhashji, Is it your own working of 4 steps method for Jupiter Planet or it is of Sri Sunil Gondhalekar' s SW of 4 steps extraction? My understanding of K.P.System is that unless a Planet is with self strength i.e no other planet is in its stas, Jupiter's 1st step is ' nil'. In 4th step, it is Ketu with self strength. As such Ketu will signify its own position of 10th and as he is in own star again 10th, and his Rasi Lord's signification i.e. Jupiter. This should be Jupiter's position in 9th with his star lord Saturn's position of 8th, (1-12). Ketu's signification of his Rasi lord's own houses 2-11 will be shared by 2 other planets viz.Sun and Mercury who are in the star of Jupiter. Kethu too will signify 2-11 as the houses are vacant. But the strength of three planets (Sun, Mer.,Ketu) are to be seen with reference to their sub lord as to who is more strong to give the result of 2-11. Merc. and Kethu only emerge for 2-11, as Sun in the Satn sub. who is not signfr. of 2-11, is out of question. In any case Jupiter's own signfn. of 2-11 is very feeble. He is strong for 8,1-12 and 10th only He does not signify 2-11, though 8th is only a supporting house. Other important houses for marriage significators of 2,7,11 are missing. Kindly review my above statement and offer your valuable comments. My doubt was Dr.Luther Rath's statement of Jupiter R in aspect with Sun as both of them are in opposition. For this Dr.Rath has furnished hi explanation very scientifically with maps. Kindly also let me have your opinion about this, as I going by astrological way of aspect and not scientifically, to which my knowlege is poor. Kindly correct me if I am wrong. With regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Subhash @gro ups.com Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:12 PM Re: first child birth Respected Sir,I have been following this thread for quite some time. With due apologies for intruding, I would like to offer my comments worth 2 cents.Girl DOB 8 Jul 1983.....TOB 22:23......POB Chennai, TamilnaduThe marriage of the girl was celebrated in Jup-Jup-Jup DBA.The signification of Jupiter according to "Four Step Theory" isItself :----------- --- Jupiter:- 9 2 11 It's N.Swami :-------- Saturn:- (8) (1) (12) It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11) Moon-Drusht (4) 6Houses mentioned in bracket are strong signification. In my opinion, 4th step in "Four Step Theory" is a step of success which guides the astrologer to correct solution where analysis based on (1) planet (2) it's star lord and (3) it's sub lord fails as in present case.If you see signification of Jupiter (given above) it signifies house 8 through it's star lord Saturn. In four step theory house 8 is considered as supporting house for marriage. But even if this is not acceptable, kindly see it's signification in 4th step. Through Jupiter, the rashi swami of Ketu it signifies 2 as well as 11. And this signification is enough for giving marriage according to me. (Please note that Jupiter is lord of 2 and 11, but this is considered as weak signification because there are planets in Jupiter's star viz Sun and Mercury). It is therefore not necessary to link Jupiter to 7th house through Sun, the only significator of 7th house.Now, regarding the child birth. 5 CSL is Saturn and it's signification isItself :----------- --- Saturn:- 8 1 12 It's N.Swami :-------- Mars:- (4) (3) 10 It's Sub :----------- - Venus:- (6) 4 9 It's Sub's N.Swami :-- Ketu:- (10) Rashi-Swami Jupiter (9) (2) (11) Moon-Drusht (4) 6It is worth noting that Saturn does not signify 2, 5 or 11 at planet, star or sub level, leading us to conclude that she will not be lucky to have a child. But again on 4th step it signifies 2 and 11 so we can boldly conclude that she is destined to have a child.Comments from seniors and stalwarts are welcome.Subhash Ektare@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@. ..> wrote:>> Respected Sir, Please find my answer in the attachment.> Dr.Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Ramani kadavasalramani@ ...> @gro ups.com> Monday, June 22, 2009 4:07:24 PM> Re: first child birth> > > > > > Dear Dr.Rath,> > I saw your analysis reg. marriage of the girl under query.> Though the 7th SL devoid of marriage significations of 2,7,11 and has no strong reason for it to give marriage, > except his aspect on 11th, your rasoning is accepted. But in regard to Jupiter ® vs. Sun (aspect) is very much> confusing. Jupiter is posited in 10th in Retro. motion.> This means Jupiter is moving backward towars 9th,> while the Sun is in 4th Bhavam but physically in Gemini.> Jupiter if considered as in 10th it cannot aspect Sun in Gemini. Jupiter while moving backward cannot be said to aspet Sun in Gemini. Another thing, whether position of earth is Sun's place?. I request you kindly to clarity these.> > Regards,> > K.S.V.Ramani> - > Luther Rath > @gro ups.com > Monday, June 15, 2009 11:14 AM> Re: first child birth [1 Attachment]> > Dear Sir, Please find the attachment.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> balaanand53 anandbala9 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM> first child birth> > > Dear Members,> > It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child?> > Girl's details are as follows:> DOB:8th July 1983> TOB:22:23 hours IST> POB:Madras India> > Your response will be much appreciated.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Dear Ravinder ji,There are various aspects mentioned in astrology. Parashara mentioned Planetary aspects and Sign aspects. Jaimini made use of Sign aspects extensively in Jaimini Sutra. Western astrologers use exact aspects. Tajik system uses Tajik aspects. Nadi astrology (R.G. Rao's Nadi) also uses various aspects which includes directional aspects (aspect to 5th and 9th sign), aspects by the planet that is going to meet another planet in transit, 3-11 aspect and normal planetary aspects. If we mix up all these, all planets will start aspects all other planets, signs and houses and 'aspect' itself will loose significance. In my opinion, we should not mix-up aspects from one system with the application of other system till the time we are very clear with the demarcation. There is no doubt that all these systems are excellent systems and give very good results. There are various points of demarcation but one point which I feel is more important than other is the 'signification'. In my opinion, Jamini aspects (sign aspects) are good when we are considering chara karaka. Similarly Nadi astrology aspects are good when we are considering sthir karakatwa (causitives) of planets as defined in Nadi astrology. If we try to apply Jamini aspect with Nadi system, we will end up with the wrong results. Also, Nadi astrology (RG Rao) is primarily a sign based astrology where house doesn't have any place and if we mix the significaiton of planets due to the houses and then apply Nadi aspects, we may also made mistake. If we have to apply Nadi astrology, we should see Nadi aspect on Mars for marriage and Sun for child birth. We should forget about the house and their significators as per KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:32 AM, Ravinder Grover <rgrover wrote: 3 July 2009 Dear Dr Rath Please accept my heartiest wishes and Congratulations on your deep insight to Divine science. More than that, your eagerness to go further deeper without any trace of ego makes you a very good astrologer. By any means, I am NOT the authority in the said subject. I am just a student. In addition to what I have said earlier (please see below old emails), I would like to furnishing my views, here as follows: As per Naadi (NOT KP) principles, Jup Retro (8deg 10 min) is TRINE to Rahu(0-19) + Mars C(27-20) + Merc C(21-16) + Sun(22-25) è they all seems to be in the same direction, means as good as in the same house/sign. All the planets in TRINE aspect each other mutually. Regards RG On Behalf Of Luther Rath Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:56 PM Re: first child birth Dear Mr. Grover, I am very happy to be pointed out that Jupiter aspects Sun by its 5th aspect. By then Jupiter may be able to confer its powers to Sun but not vice versa I suppose. It seems to me that Sun has to confer its power , the portfoleo of VII on Jupiter. How does it happen. Sorry for troubling you. Kindly reply. Regards. Dr. Rath. Ramani <kadavasalramani Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:18:42 AM Re: first child birth Dear Mr.Grover, The attachment of Dr.Luther is same which you have read his analysis scientificlly. Your explanation is clear & made me to understand how Jupiter R aspects Sun by his 5th aspect from Libra backward. Thank you, K.S.V.Ramani ----- Original Message ----- Ravinder Grover @gro ups.com Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:44 AM RE: first child birth 25 June 2009 Dear Shri Ramani ji 1. I have just read Dr Rath’s analysis Retro Jupiter’s aspect on Sun. He had explained scientifically. 2. In addition to what I have said earlier (please read below) 3. As per Naadi Astrology, when any planet is Retro, it is assumed in the previous house AS WELL. It means, the planet must be taken as occupying both houses, the one it is in and the one where it is Retro. 4. If we take Jup R in Libra as well then it would aspect Sat, Rahu, Mars, Merc, Sun. 5. As per Naadi Astrology, Mars is for husband which is with Rahu, MErc and Sun, so all become significators for marriage. I know this not KP, but I believe KP is the off shoot of Naadi Astrology and/or Naadi Astrology is the base for KP. This is my personal opinion only. 6. Jup definitely plays the important role in Marriage here. 7. Its can also be taken as JUp R in Libra aspecting planets in H(5). Libra is controlled by Ven and Ven in the Rasi of Sun. So Jup is aspecting Sun in two ways now. These are just my humble opinions but not the authority. Again, it’s always easy to postmortem the chart and come to some convincing argument or analysis once the event has taken place. But how many of us would have predicted Marriage during DBAS of jup, jup, jup and Mon, as the matter of fact. Regards Ravinder Grover @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Ramani Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:10 AM @gro ups.com Re: first child birth Dear Mr. Grover, Your analysis is quite convincing. Dr. Rath has also explained in a scientific way. In the first attachment to your query, his analysis was Jupiter aspected Sun. Juptr. was 'R' posited in Scorpio and the Sun was in Gemini. I viewed in normal astrologial aspect and not with scientific knowledge. Hope you are convinced with Dr,Rath's reply to my conusion. Pl. give me your views. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Ravinder Grover @gro ups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:23 PM RE: first child birth 24 June 2009 Dear all Girl's details: DOB:8th July 1983 TOB:22:23 hours IST POB:Madras India I have casted the chart using Goravani software. 1. Sub Lord cusp(2,7,11) = Sat 2. Analyse Sat first, Sat in Star Mars-combust Sub Merc-combust a. Sat signifies (4,8,3-10,1- 12) b. Mars signifies (4,4,3-10) c. Merc signifies (9,4,2-11,5- 8) 3. I think signification of houses(3,8,5, 11) can help to some extent in getting married 4. Mars and Merc are both combust, so they have given their energy to Sun and Sun signifies (9,4,2-11,7) , implying Sun is the strong significator of (2,7,11) so that effect seem to go to Mars and Merc too. 5. Consider DBAS JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO at the time of Marriage on Monday the 21st August 2006 6. Dasa, Bhukti, Antra = JUp in Star Sat Sub VEn a. Jup signifies (8,9,1-12,2- 11) è quite fruitful for marriage like scenario b. Sat signifies (4,8,3-10,1- 12) but at the same time, SAT is the SUBLORD of CUSPS(2,5,7, 8,11) c. Dasa Lord Jup has forced these houses to take action of which Sat is the Sub lord cusp d. Sookshma LORd mon in Star Mars combust (take Sun signification as as well) e. On the other hand Sun in Star Jup Sub Sat. Implying Sun will act as Jup role and give better effect during the Dasa of Jup (I guess) and Sun is the sole significator of house 7 too and also S(2,5,7,11) f. Sun and Jup are complimentary to each other g. Sun in Sub Sat and Sat is the SLC(2,5,7,8, 11), hence Sun plays very important role I hope the above helps With Love Ravinder Grover @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Luther Rath Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:51 PM @gro ups.com Re: first child birth Respected Sir, I have been writing all the replies to your doubts. I am not sure if I can complete today. If I do complete I shall send immidiately. Reason for writing this message is that I am going to Calcutta today for about 6 days. If I do not sent today it will be late for 6 days. Hope you shall bear with it. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> @gro ups.com Monday, June 22, 2009 4:07:24 PM Re: first child birth Dear Dr.Rath, I saw your analysis reg. marriage of the girl under query. Though the 7th SL devoid of marriage significations of 2,7,11 and has no strong reason for it to give marriage, except his aspect on 11th, your rasoning is accepted. But in regard to Jupiter ® vs. Sun (aspect) is very much confusing. Jupiter is posited in 10th in Retro. motion. This means Jupiter is moving backward towars 9th, while the Sun is in 4th Bhavam but physically in Gemini. Jupiter if considered as in 10th it cannot aspect Sun in Gemini. Jupiter while moving backward cannot be said to aspet Sun in Gemini. Another thing, whether position of earth is Sun's place?. I request you kindly to clarity these. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Luther Rath @gro ups.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:14 AM Re: first child birth [1 Attachment] Dear Sir, Please find the attachment. Dr. Rath balaanand53 <anandbala9 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @gro ups.com Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM first child birth Dear Members, It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child? Girl's details are as follows: DOB:8th July 1983 TOB:22:23 hours IST POB:Madras India Your response will be much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 7th July 2009 Dear brother Punit Many thanks for sharing your knowledge. I am aware that we were discussing ‘solely’ KP. May be, I have gone ‘off track’ as I lose focus in my day to day life too. I am, in fact, aware of some systems of astrology in practice, as you have mentioned below. I have noted, to my little experience of KP, which may not be documented in KP Books, that Retro Jup does throw aspect to other houses from its rear house of occupancy. And that I believe, is the Naadi concept (may be RG Rao concept). All I tried to point was of my analysis. My humble apologies if I have gone off track. As you know, I am, just a student. Thanks for your kind direction. Love RG On Behalf Of Punit Pandey Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:53 PM Re: first child birth Dear Ravinder ji, There are various aspects mentioned in astrology. Parashara mentioned Planetary aspects and Sign aspects. Jaimini made use of Sign aspects extensively in Jaimini Sutra. Western astrologers use exact aspects. Tajik system uses Tajik aspects. Nadi astrology (R.G. Rao's Nadi) also uses various aspects which includes directional aspects (aspect to 5th and 9th sign), aspects by the planet that is going to meet another planet in transit, 3-11 aspect and normal planetary aspects. If we mix up all these, all planets will start aspects all other planets, signs and houses and 'aspect' itself will loose significance. In my opinion, we should not mix-up aspects from one system with the application of other system till the time we are very clear with the demarcation. There is no doubt that all these systems are excellent systems and give very good results. There are various points of demarcation but one point which I feel is more important than other is the 'signification'. In my opinion, Jamini aspects (sign aspects) are good when we are considering chara karaka. Similarly Nadi astrology aspects are good when we are considering sthir karakatwa (causitives) of planets as defined in Nadi astrology. If we try to apply Jamini aspect with Nadi system, we will end up with the wrong results. Also, Nadi astrology (RG Rao) is primarily a sign based astrology where house doesn't have any place and if we mix the significaiton of planets due to the houses and then apply Nadi aspects, we may also made mistake. If we have to apply Nadi astrology, we should see Nadi aspect on Mars for marriage and Sun for child birth. We should forget about the house and their significators as per KP. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:32 AM, Ravinder Grover <rgrover wrote: 3 July 2009 Dear Dr Rath Please accept my heartiest wishes and Congratulations on your deep insight to Divine science. More than that, your eagerness to go further deeper without any trace of ego makes you a very good astrologer. By any means, I am NOT the authority in the said subject. I am just a student. In addition to what I have said earlier (please see below old emails), I would like to furnishing my views, here as follows: As per Naadi (NOT KP) principles, Jup Retro (8deg 10 min) is TRINE to Rahu(0-19) + Mars C(27-20) + Merc C(21-16) + Sun(22-25) è they all seems to be in the same direction, means as good as in the same house/sign. All the planets in TRINE aspect each other mutually. Regards RG On Behalf Of Luther Rath Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:56 PM Re: first child birth Dear Mr. Grover, I am very happy to be pointed out that Jupiter aspects Sun by its 5th aspect. By then Jupiter may be able to confer its powers to Sun but not vice versa I suppose. It seems to me that Sun has to confer its power , the portfoleo of VII on Jupiter. How does it happen. Sorry for troubling you. Kindly reply. Regards. Dr. Rath. Ramani <kadavasalramani Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:18:42 AM Re: first child birth Dear Mr.Grover, The attachment of Dr.Luther is same which you have read his analysis scientificlly. Your explanation is clear & made me to understand how Jupiter R aspects Sun by his 5th aspect from Libra backward. Thank you, K.S.V.Ramani ----- Original Message ----- Ravinder Grover @gro ups.com Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:44 AM RE: first child birth 25 June 2009 Dear Shri Ramani ji 1. I have just read Dr Rath’s analysis Retro Jupiter’s aspect on Sun. He had explained scientifically. 2. In addition to what I have said earlier (please read below) 3. As per Naadi Astrology, when any planet is Retro, it is assumed in the previous house AS WELL. It means, the planet must be taken as occupying both houses, the one it is in and the one where it is Retro. 4. If we take Jup R in Libra as well then it would aspect Sat, Rahu, Mars, Merc, Sun. 5. As per Naadi Astrology, Mars is for husband which is with Rahu, MErc and Sun, so all become significators for marriage. I know this not KP, but I believe KP is the off shoot of Naadi Astrology and/or Naadi Astrology is the base for KP. This is my personal opinion only. 6. Jup definitely plays the important role in Marriage here. 7. Its can also be taken as JUp R in Libra aspecting planets in H(5). Libra is controlled by Ven and Ven in the Rasi of Sun. So Jup is aspecting Sun in two ways now. These are just my humble opinions but not the authority. Again, it’s always easy to postmortem the chart and come to some convincing argument or analysis once the event has taken place. But how many of us would have predicted Marriage during DBAS of jup, jup, jup and Mon, as the matter of fact. Regards Ravinder Grover @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Ramani Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:10 AM @gro ups.com Re: first child birth Dear Mr. Grover, Your analysis is quite convincing. Dr. Rath has also explained in a scientific way. In the first attachment to your query, his analysis was Jupiter aspected Sun. Juptr. was 'R' posited in Scorpio and the Sun was in Gemini. I viewed in normal astrologial aspect and not with scientific knowledge. Hope you are convinced with Dr,Rath's reply to my conusion. Pl. give me your views. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani ----- Original Message ----- Ravinder Grover @gro ups.com Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:23 PM RE: first child birth 24 June 2009 Dear all Girl's details: DOB:8th July 1983 TOB:22:23 hours IST POB:Madras India I have casted the chart using Goravani software. 1. Sub Lord cusp(2,7,11) = Sat 2. Analyse Sat first, Sat in Star Mars-combust Sub Merc-combust a. Sat signifies (4,8,3-10,1- 12) b. Mars signifies (4,4,3-10) c. Merc signifies (9,4,2-11,5- 8) 3. I think signification of houses(3,8,5, 11) can help to some extent in getting married 4. Mars and Merc are both combust, so they have given their energy to Sun and Sun signifies (9,4,2-11,7) , implying Sun is the strong significator of (2,7,11) so that effect seem to go to Mars and Merc too. 5. Consider DBAS JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO at the time of Marriage on Monday the 21st August 2006 6. Dasa, Bhukti, Antra = JUp in Star Sat Sub VEn a. Jup signifies (8,9,1-12,2- 11) è quite fruitful for marriage like scenario b. Sat signifies (4,8,3-10,1- 12) but at the same time, SAT is the SUBLORD of CUSPS(2,5,7, 8,11) c. Dasa Lord Jup has forced these houses to take action of which Sat is the Sub lord cusp d. Sookshma LORd mon in Star Mars combust (take Sun signification as as well) e. On the other hand Sun in Star Jup Sub Sat. Implying Sun will act as Jup role and give better effect during the Dasa of Jup (I guess) and Sun is the sole significator of house 7 too and also S(2,5,7,11) f. Sun and Jup are complimentary to each other g. Sun in Sub Sat and Sat is the SLC(2,5,7,8, 11), hence Sun plays very important role I hope the above helps With Love Ravinder Grover @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Luther Rath Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:51 PM @gro ups.com Re: first child birth Respected Sir, I have been writing all the replies to your doubts. I am not sure if I can complete today. If I do complete I shall send immidiately. Reason for writing this message is that I am going to Calcutta today for about 6 days. If I do not sent today it will be late for 6 days. Hope you shall bear with it. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> @gro ups.com Monday, June 22, 2009 4:07:24 PM Re: first child birth Dear Dr.Rath, I saw your analysis reg. marriage of the girl under query. Though the 7th SL devoid of marriage significations of 2,7,11 and has no strong reason for it to give marriage, except his aspect on 11th, your rasoning is accepted. But in regard to Jupiter ® vs. Sun (aspect) is very much confusing. Jupiter is posited in 10th in Retro. motion. This means Jupiter is moving backward towars 9th, while the Sun is in 4th Bhavam but physically in Gemini. Jupiter if considered as in 10th it cannot aspect Sun in Gemini. Jupiter while moving backward cannot be said to aspet Sun in Gemini. Another thing, whether position of earth is Sun's place?. I request you kindly to clarity these. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani ----- Original Message ----- Luther Rath @gro ups.com Monday, June 15, 2009 11:14 AM Re: first child birth [1 Attachment] Dear Sir, Please find the attachment. Dr. Rath balaanand53 <anandbala9 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @gro ups.com Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM first child birth Dear Members, It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child? Girl's details are as follows: DOB:8th July 1983 TOB:22:23 hours IST POB:Madras India Your response will be much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Dear Ravinder ji,My email was not a criticism and please take it that way only. I don't think that you lost focus or went off-track. In fact, your analysis is always welcome. In your analysis, you have marked clearly that the concept that you are using is non-KP, so it is absolutely in accordance with the forum policy. As I keep mentioning 'marking' is important to ensure that we are not confusing beginners. I was just putting forward my understanding which I thought may be helpful for the astrologer who uses multiple systems like me. Treating retrograde planets in previous house is a concept which is popular among classical astrologers as well. I believe that more research is required to figure out whether that can work with KP or not. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Ravinder Grover <rgrover wrote: 7th July 2009 Dear brother Punit Many thanks for sharing your knowledge. I am aware that we were discussing ‘solely’ KP. May be, I have gone ‘off track’ as I lose focus in my day to day life too. I am, in fact, aware of some systems of astrology in practice, as you have mentioned below. I have noted, to my little experience of KP, which may not be documented in KP Books, that Retro Jup does throw aspect to other houses from its rear house of occupancy. And that I believe, is the Naadi concept (may be RG Rao concept). All I tried to point was of my analysis. My humble apologies if I have gone off track. As you know, I am, just a student. Thanks for your kind direction. Love RG On Behalf Of Punit Pandey Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:53 PM Re: first child birth Dear Ravinder ji, There are various aspects mentioned in astrology. Parashara mentioned Planetary aspects and Sign aspects. Jaimini made use of Sign aspects extensively in Jaimini Sutra. Western astrologers use exact aspects. Tajik system uses Tajik aspects. Nadi astrology (R.G. Rao's Nadi) also uses various aspects which includes directional aspects (aspect to 5th and 9th sign), aspects by the planet that is going to meet another planet in transit, 3-11 aspect and normal planetary aspects. If we mix up all these, all planets will start aspects all other planets, signs and houses and 'aspect' itself will loose significance. In my opinion, we should not mix-up aspects from one system with the application of other system till the time we are very clear with the demarcation. There is no doubt that all these systems are excellent systems and give very good results. There are various points of demarcation but one point which I feel is more important than other is the 'signification'. In my opinion, Jamini aspects (sign aspects) are good when we are considering chara karaka. Similarly Nadi astrology aspects are good when we are considering sthir karakatwa (causitives) of planets as defined in Nadi astrology. If we try to apply Jamini aspect with Nadi system, we will end up with the wrong results. Also, Nadi astrology (RG Rao) is primarily a sign based astrology where house doesn't have any place and if we mix the significaiton of planets due to the houses and then apply Nadi aspects, we may also made mistake. If we have to apply Nadi astrology, we should see Nadi aspect on Mars for marriage and Sun for child birth. We should forget about the house and their significators as per KP. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:32 AM, Ravinder Grover <rgrover wrote: 3 July 2009 Dear Dr Rath Please accept my heartiest wishes and Congratulations on your deep insight to Divine science. More than that, your eagerness to go further deeper without any trace of ego makes you a very good astrologer. By any means, I am NOT the authority in the said subject. I am just a student. In addition to what I have said earlier (please see below old emails), I would like to furnishing my views, here as follows: As per Naadi (NOT KP) principles, Jup Retro (8deg 10 min) is TRINE to Rahu(0-19) + Mars C(27-20) + Merc C(21-16) + Sun(22-25) è they all seems to be in the same direction, means as good as in the same house/sign. All the planets in TRINE aspect each other mutually. Regards RG On Behalf Of Luther Rath Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:56 PM Re: first child birth Dear Mr. Grover, I am very happy to be pointed out that Jupiter aspects Sun by its 5th aspect. By then Jupiter may be able to confer its powers to Sun but not vice versa I suppose. It seems to me that Sun has to confer its power , the portfoleo of VII on Jupiter. How does it happen. Sorry for troubling you. Kindly reply. Regards. Dr. Rath. Ramani <kadavasalramani Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:18:42 AM Re: first child birth Dear Mr.Grover, The attachment of Dr.Luther is same which you have read his analysis scientificlly. Your explanation is clear & made me to understand how Jupiter R aspects Sun by his 5th aspect from Libra backward. Thank you, K.S.V.Ramani ----- Original Message ----- Ravinder Grover @gro ups.com Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:44 AM RE: first child birth 25 June 2009 Dear Shri Ramani ji 1. I have just read Dr Rath’s analysis Retro Jupiter’s aspect on Sun. He had explained scientifically. 2. In addition to what I have said earlier (please read below) 3. As per Naadi Astrology, when any planet is Retro, it is assumed in the previous house AS WELL. It means, the planet must be taken as occupying both houses, the one it is in and the one where it is Retro. 4. If we take Jup R in Libra as well then it would aspect Sat, Rahu, Mars, Merc, Sun. 5. As per Naadi Astrology, Mars is for husband which is with Rahu, MErc and Sun, so all become significators for marriage. I know this not KP, but I believe KP is the off shoot of Naadi Astrology and/or Naadi Astrology is the base for KP. This is my personal opinion only. 6. Jup definitely plays the important role in Marriage here. 7. Its can also be taken as JUp R in Libra aspecting planets in H(5). Libra is controlled by Ven and Ven in the Rasi of Sun. So Jup is aspecting Sun in two ways now. These are just my humble opinions but not the authority. Again, it’s always easy to postmortem the chart and come to some convincing argument or analysis once the event has taken place. But how many of us would have predicted Marriage during DBAS of jup, jup, jup and Mon, as the matter of fact. Regards Ravinder Grover @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Ramani Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:10 AM @gro ups.com Re: first child birth Dear Mr. Grover, Your analysis is quite convincing. Dr. Rath has also explained in a scientific way. In the first attachment to your query, his analysis was Jupiter aspected Sun. Juptr. was 'R' posited in Scorpio and the Sun was in Gemini. I viewed in normal astrologial aspect and not with scientific knowledge. Hope you are convinced with Dr,Rath's reply to my conusion. Pl. give me your views. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani ----- Original Message ----- Ravinder Grover @gro ups.com Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:23 PM RE: first child birth 24 June 2009 Dear all Girl's details: DOB:8th July 1983 TOB:22:23 hours IST POB:Madras India I have casted the chart using Goravani software. 1. Sub Lord cusp(2,7,11) = Sat 2. Analyse Sat first, Sat in Star Mars-combust Sub Merc-combust a. Sat signifies (4,8,3-10,1- 12) b. Mars signifies (4,4,3-10) c. Merc signifies (9,4,2-11,5- 8) 3. I think signification of houses(3,8,5, 11) can help to some extent in getting married 4. Mars and Merc are both combust, so they have given their energy to Sun and Sun signifies (9,4,2-11,7) , implying Sun is the strong significator of (2,7,11) so that effect seem to go to Mars and Merc too. 5. Consider DBAS JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO at the time of Marriage on Monday the 21st August 2006 6. Dasa, Bhukti, Antra = JUp in Star Sat Sub VEn a. Jup signifies (8,9,1-12,2- 11) è quite fruitful for marriage like scenario b. Sat signifies (4,8,3-10,1- 12) but at the same time, SAT is the SUBLORD of CUSPS(2,5,7, 8,11) c. Dasa Lord Jup has forced these houses to take action of which Sat is the Sub lord cusp d. Sookshma LORd mon in Star Mars combust (take Sun signification as as well) e. On the other hand Sun in Star Jup Sub Sat. Implying Sun will act as Jup role and give better effect during the Dasa of Jup (I guess) and Sun is the sole significator of house 7 too and also S(2,5,7,11) f. Sun and Jup are complimentary to each other g. Sun in Sub Sat and Sat is the SLC(2,5,7,8, 11), hence Sun plays very important role I hope the above helps With Love Ravinder Grover @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Luther Rath Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:51 PM @gro ups.com Re: first child birth Respected Sir, I have been writing all the replies to your doubts. I am not sure if I can complete today. If I do complete I shall send immidiately. Reason for writing this message is that I am going to Calcutta today for about 6 days. If I do not sent today it will be late for 6 days. Hope you shall bear with it. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> @gro ups.com Monday, June 22, 2009 4:07:24 PM Re: first child birth Dear Dr.Rath, I saw your analysis reg. marriage of the girl under query. Though the 7th SL devoid of marriage significations of 2,7,11 and has no strong reason for it to give marriage, except his aspect on 11th, your rasoning is accepted. But in regard to Jupiter ® vs. Sun (aspect) is very much confusing. Jupiter is posited in 10th in Retro. motion. This means Jupiter is moving backward towars 9th, while the Sun is in 4th Bhavam but physically in Gemini. Jupiter if considered as in 10th it cannot aspect Sun in Gemini. Jupiter while moving backward cannot be said to aspet Sun in Gemini. Another thing, whether position of earth is Sun's place?. I request you kindly to clarity these. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani ----- Original Message ----- Luther Rath @gro ups.com Monday, June 15, 2009 11:14 AM Re: first child birth [1 Attachment] Dear Sir, Please find the attachment. Dr. Rath balaanand53 <anandbala9 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @gro ups.com Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM first child birth Dear Members, It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child? Girl's details are as follows: DOB:8th July 1983 TOB:22:23 hours IST POB:Madras India Your response will be much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 2 July 2009 Dear brother Punit Relax brother, I have never taken anything as criticism, but taken your point of view as an opportunity to grow. Take care With Love RG On Behalf Of Punit Pandey Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:58 PM Re: first child birth Dear Ravinder ji, My email was not a criticism and please take it that way only. I don't think that you lost focus or went off-track. In fact, your analysis is always welcome. In your analysis, you have marked clearly that the concept that you are using is non-KP, so it is absolutely in accordance with the forum policy. As I keep mentioning 'marking' is important to ensure that we are not confusing beginners. I was just putting forward my understanding which I thought may be helpful for the astrologer who uses multiple systems like me. Treating retrograde planets in previous house is a concept which is popular among classical astrologers as well. I believe that more research is required to figure out whether that can work with KP or not. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Ravinder Grover <rgrover wrote: 7th July 2009 Dear brother Punit Many thanks for sharing your knowledge. I am aware that we were discussing ‘solely’ KP. May be, I have gone ‘off track’ as I lose focus in my day to day life too. I am, in fact, aware of some systems of astrology in practice, as you have mentioned below. I have noted, to my little experience of KP, which may not be documented in KP Books, that Retro Jup does throw aspect to other houses from its rear house of occupancy. And that I believe, is the Naadi concept (may be RG Rao concept). All I tried to point was of my analysis. My humble apologies if I have gone off track. As you know, I am, just a student. Thanks for your kind direction. Love RG On Behalf Of Punit Pandey Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:53 PM Re: first child birth Dear Ravinder ji, There are various aspects mentioned in astrology. Parashara mentioned Planetary aspects and Sign aspects. Jaimini made use of Sign aspects extensively in Jaimini Sutra. Western astrologers use exact aspects. Tajik system uses Tajik aspects. Nadi astrology (R.G. Rao's Nadi) also uses various aspects which includes directional aspects (aspect to 5th and 9th sign), aspects by the planet that is going to meet another planet in transit, 3-11 aspect and normal planetary aspects. If we mix up all these, all planets will start aspects all other planets, signs and houses and 'aspect' itself will loose significance. In my opinion, we should not mix-up aspects from one system with the application of other system till the time we are very clear with the demarcation. There is no doubt that all these systems are excellent systems and give very good results. There are various points of demarcation but one point which I feel is more important than other is the 'signification'. In my opinion, Jamini aspects (sign aspects) are good when we are considering chara karaka. Similarly Nadi astrology aspects are good when we are considering sthir karakatwa (causitives) of planets as defined in Nadi astrology. If we try to apply Jamini aspect with Nadi system, we will end up with the wrong results. Also, Nadi astrology (RG Rao) is primarily a sign based astrology where house doesn't have any place and if we mix the significaiton of planets due to the houses and then apply Nadi aspects, we may also made mistake. If we have to apply Nadi astrology, we should see Nadi aspect on Mars for marriage and Sun for child birth. We should forget about the house and their significators as per KP. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:32 AM, Ravinder Grover <rgrover wrote: 3 July 2009 Dear Dr Rath Please accept my heartiest wishes and Congratulations on your deep insight to Divine science. More than that, your eagerness to go further deeper without any trace of ego makes you a very good astrologer. By any means, I am NOT the authority in the said subject. I am just a student. In addition to what I have said earlier (please see below old emails), I would like to furnishing my views, here as follows: As per Naadi (NOT KP) principles, Jup Retro (8deg 10 min) is TRINE to Rahu(0-19) + Mars C(27-20) + Merc C(21-16) + Sun(22-25) è they all seems to be in the same direction, means as good as in the same house/sign. All the planets in TRINE aspect each other mutually. Regards RG On Behalf Of Luther Rath Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:56 PM Re: first child birth Dear Mr. Grover, I am very happy to be pointed out that Jupiter aspects Sun by its 5th aspect. By then Jupiter may be able to confer its powers to Sun but not vice versa I suppose. It seems to me that Sun has to confer its power , the portfoleo of VII on Jupiter. How does it happen. Sorry for troubling you. Kindly reply. Regards. Dr. Rath. Ramani <kadavasalramani Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:18:42 AM Re: first child birth Dear Mr.Grover, The attachment of Dr.Luther is same which you have read his analysis scientificlly. Your explanation is clear & made me to understand how Jupiter R aspects Sun by his 5th aspect from Libra backward. Thank you, K.S.V.Ramani ----- Original Message ----- Ravinder Grover @gro ups.com Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:44 AM RE: first child birth 25 June 2009 Dear Shri Ramani ji 1. I have just read Dr Rath’s analysis Retro Jupiter’s aspect on Sun. He had explained scientifically. 2. In addition to what I have said earlier (please read below) 3. As per Naadi Astrology, when any planet is Retro, it is assumed in the previous house AS WELL. It means, the planet must be taken as occupying both houses, the one it is in and the one where it is Retro. 4. If we take Jup R in Libra as well then it would aspect Sat, Rahu, Mars, Merc, Sun. 5. As per Naadi Astrology, Mars is for husband which is with Rahu, MErc and Sun, so all become significators for marriage. I know this not KP, but I believe KP is the off shoot of Naadi Astrology and/or Naadi Astrology is the base for KP. This is my personal opinion only. 6. Jup definitely plays the important role in Marriage here. 7. Its can also be taken as JUp R in Libra aspecting planets in H(5). Libra is controlled by Ven and Ven in the Rasi of Sun. So Jup is aspecting Sun in two ways now. These are just my humble opinions but not the authority. Again, it’s always easy to postmortem the chart and come to some convincing argument or analysis once the event has taken place. But how many of us would have predicted Marriage during DBAS of jup, jup, jup and Mon, as the matter of fact. Regards Ravinder Grover @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Ramani Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:10 AM @gro ups.com Re: first child birth Dear Mr. Grover, Your analysis is quite convincing. Dr. Rath has also explained in a scientific way. In the first attachment to your query, his analysis was Jupiter aspected Sun. Juptr. was 'R' posited in Scorpio and the Sun was in Gemini. I viewed in normal astrologial aspect and not with scientific knowledge. Hope you are convinced with Dr,Rath's reply to my conusion. Pl. give me your views. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani ----- Original Message ----- Ravinder Grover @gro ups.com Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:23 PM RE: first child birth 24 June 2009 Dear all Girl's details: DOB:8th July 1983 TOB:22:23 hours IST POB:Madras India I have casted the chart using Goravani software. 1. Sub Lord cusp(2,7,11) = Sat 2. Analyse Sat first, Sat in Star Mars-combust Sub Merc-combust a. Sat signifies (4,8,3-10,1- 12) b. Mars signifies (4,4,3-10) c. Merc signifies (9,4,2-11,5- 8) 3. I think signification of houses(3,8,5, 11) can help to some extent in getting married 4. Mars and Merc are both combust, so they have given their energy to Sun and Sun signifies (9,4,2-11,7) , implying Sun is the strong significator of (2,7,11) so that effect seem to go to Mars and Merc too. 5. Consider DBAS JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO at the time of Marriage on Monday the 21st August 2006 6. Dasa, Bhukti, Antra = JUp in Star Sat Sub VEn a. Jup signifies (8,9,1-12,2- 11) è quite fruitful for marriage like scenario b. Sat signifies (4,8,3-10,1- 12) but at the same time, SAT is the SUBLORD of CUSPS(2,5,7, 8,11) c. Dasa Lord Jup has forced these houses to take action of which Sat is the Sub lord cusp d. Sookshma LORd mon in Star Mars combust (take Sun signification as as well) e. On the other hand Sun in Star Jup Sub Sat. Implying Sun will act as Jup role and give better effect during the Dasa of Jup (I guess) and Sun is the sole significator of house 7 too and also S(2,5,7,11) f. Sun and Jup are complimentary to each other g. Sun in Sub Sat and Sat is the SLC(2,5,7,8, 11), hence Sun plays very important role I hope the above helps With Love Ravinder Grover @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Luther Rath Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:51 PM @gro ups.com Re: first child birth Respected Sir, I have been writing all the replies to your doubts. I am not sure if I can complete today. If I do complete I shall send immidiately. Reason for writing this message is that I am going to Calcutta today for about 6 days. If I do not sent today it will be late for 6 days. Hope you shall bear with it. With due regards. Dr. Rath. Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> @gro ups.com Monday, June 22, 2009 4:07:24 PM Re: first child birth Dear Dr.Rath, I saw your analysis reg. marriage of the girl under query. Though the 7th SL devoid of marriage significations of 2,7,11 and has no strong reason for it to give marriage, except his aspect on 11th, your rasoning is accepted. But in regard to Jupiter ® vs. Sun (aspect) is very much confusing. Jupiter is posited in 10th in Retro. motion. This means Jupiter is moving backward towars 9th, while the Sun is in 4th Bhavam but physically in Gemini. Jupiter if considered as in 10th it cannot aspect Sun in Gemini. Jupiter while moving backward cannot be said to aspet Sun in Gemini. Another thing, whether position of earth is Sun's place?. I request you kindly to clarity these. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani ----- Original Message ----- Luther Rath @gro ups.com Monday, June 15, 2009 11:14 AM Re: first child birth [1 Attachment] Dear Sir, Please find the attachment. Dr. Rath balaanand53 <anandbala9 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @gro ups.com Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26:01 AM first child birth Dear Members, It is an interesting horoscope of a girl. Saturn is the sublord of 2nd, 7th and 11th houses and is not a significator of these houses. but she got married on Monday the 21st August 2006 when she was running JUP-JUP-JUP- MOO period where Jupiter is not the significator of the 7th house. Now the same Saturn is also the sub lord of 5th house, which falls in Gemini, a barren sign.The only significator of the 5th house is Mercury. The question is will she give birth to a child? Girl's details are as follows: DOB:8th July 1983 TOB:22:23 hours IST POB:Madras India Your response will be much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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