Planets who loss their Lordships of Bhawas

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Dear Friends,

I wish to table the following questions for the attention of

the stalwarts of the forum for the purpose of gathering more knowledge of KP.

When we erect bhawa charts for any birth or any incident in

KP, some times we find some bhawas are over running some Signs. In such cases

the lord of over-ran sign is no longer indicates as the Bhawa Lord. Especially

Sun and Moon are to be found in this type of cases, who are the single sign

owners.

Ex: 4th Cusp

Cancer 03.27.56

5th Cusp Cancer 29.23.55

6th Cusp Virgo 05.17.07

Here the 5th cusp runs up to Virgo,

by passing the Leo Sign. Hence the Sun has no any Bhawa to be labeled as a Bhawa

Lord.

1. In such cases how to determine

the role of Sun?

2. Is it only on the placement of Sun?

3. Bhawas are

most important than to Rashis in this system. So can Sun be treated as the

Lord of Leo in the matter of predications, where the Moon has acquired the

ownership of the longitudinal area of Leo?Kalyan

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

Are you refering to K.P. or Traditional Astrological definitions ?

Yogesh Lajmi

 

 

 

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:10:39 PM Planets who loss their Lordships of Bhawas

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

I wish to table the following questions for the attention of the stalwarts of the forum for the purpose of gathering more knowledge of KP.

 

When we erect bhawa charts for any birth or any incident in KP, some times we find some bhawas are over running some Signs. In such cases the lord of over-ran sign is no longer indicates as the Bhawa Lord. Especially Sun and Moon are to be found in this type of cases, who are the single sign owners.

Ex: 4th Cusp Cancer 03.27.56

5th Cusp Cancer 29.23.55

6th Cusp Virgo 05.17.07

 

Here the 5th cusp runs up to Virgo, by passing the Leo Sign. Hence the Sun has no any Bhawa to be labeled as a Bhawa Lord.

1. In such cases how to determine the role of Sun?

2. Is it only on the placement of Sun?

3. Bhawas are most important than to Rashis in this system. So can Sun be treated as the Lord of Leo in the matter of predications, where the Moon has acquired the ownership of the longitudinal area of Leo?

 

Kalyan

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Dear Kalyanji,

Namasthe.

In the example quoted by you Sun does not own any Bhava, true. So Sun is not a Bhava Lord. Let us just remember here that it is generally conceived that the occupant is stronger than the owner. So ownership is only a weaker signification. The strong signification of Sun is the house which it occupies. Further Sun also signifies the houses owned and occupied by the lord of constellation that is occupied by Sun.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:10:39 PM Planets who loss their Lordships of Bhawas

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

I wish to table the following questions for the attention of the stalwarts of the forum for the purpose of gathering more knowledge of KP.

 

When we erect bhawa charts for any birth or any incident in KP, some times we find some bhawas are over running some Signs. In such cases the lord of over-ran sign is no longer indicates as the Bhawa Lord. Especially Sun and Moon are to be found in this type of cases, who are the single sign owners.

Ex: 4th Cusp Cancer 03.27.56

5th Cusp Cancer 29.23.55

6th Cusp Virgo 05.17.07

 

Here the 5th cusp runs up to Virgo, by passing the Leo Sign. Hence the Sun has no any Bhawa to be labeled as a Bhawa Lord.

1. In such cases how to determine the role of Sun?

2. Is it only on the placement of Sun?

3. Bhawas are most important than to Rashis in this system. So can Sun be treated as the Lord of Leo in the matter of predications, where the Moon has acquired the ownership of the longitudinal area of Leo?

 

Kalyan

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Dear Friends,

1. It doesn't appear as an issue because we have simply to take the lord of sign

where the cusp falls as per Placidus house system as the lord of house of that

cusp.

2. Especially in the charts with intercepted signs, usually one-house-owned Su

or Mo may not own any house at all or may own 2 houses; usually two-house-owned

Ma, Me etc may own only one house or up to 3 houses. (Intercepted or blank sign

is a sign without any cusp falling in it, also explained in " Handbook on

Astrology " by K. Hariharan, 1998, p 8)

3. In Tony Blair's charts with 4 intercepted signs, Mo owns 2 houses of 4th and

5th. Ma owns only 1 house of 7th. Me owns 3 houses of 2,3,6 and Ve owns only 1

house of 1st. In Greta Garbo's chart with 3 cusps falling in one sign, Ma owns

only 1 house of 7; Me 3 houses of 2nd, 3rd and 4th; Ju also owns 3 houses of

8th,9th and 10th.

/message/16208

4. In the chart, 5 Nov 1968,6:55 GMT, 42N27, 71W04 (US), NKPA 23-19-55, Asc le

26-43-33(KPAstro 3.1), Su owns 2 houses of 1st and 12th; Mo owns none; others

normally 2 houses each.

5. some related messages

/message/23399

/message/20005

/message/2257

/message/860

Regards,

tw

 

 

, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Friends,

>

>

> I wish to table the following questions for the attention of

> the stalwarts of the forum for the purpose of gathering more knowledge of KP.

>

> When we erect bhawa charts for any birth or any incident in

> KP, some times we find some bhawas are over running some Signs. In such cases

> the lord of over-ran sign is no longer indicates as the Bhawa Lord. Especially

Sun and Moon are to be found in this type of cases, who are the single sign

> owners.

> Ex: 4th Cusp Cancer 03.27.56

> 5th Cusp Cancer 29.23.55

> 6th Cusp Virgo 05.17.07

>

> Here the 5th cusp runs up to Virgo,

> by passing the Leo Sign. Hence the Sun has no any Bhawa to be labeled as a

Bhawa

> Lord.

> 1. In such cases how to determine

> the role of Sun?

> 2. Is it only on the placement of Sun?

> 3. Bhawas are

> most important than to Rashis in this system. So can Sun be treated as the

> Lord of Leo in the matter of predications, where the Moon has acquired the

> ownership of the longitudinal area of Leo?

>

> Kalyan

>

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Dear sir, Thank u very much for yr foods for thoughts.RegdsKalyantw853 <tw853 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:27:00 AM Re: Planets who loss their Lordships of Bhawas

 

Dear Friends,

1. It doesn't appear as an issue because we have simply to take the lord of sign where the cusp falls as per Placidus house system as the lord of house of that cusp.

2. Especially in the charts with intercepted signs, usually one-house-owned Su or Mo may not own any house at all or may own 2 houses; usually two-house-owned Ma, Me etc may own only one house or up to 3 houses. (Intercepted or blank sign is a sign without any cusp falling in it, also explained in "Handbook on Astrology" by K. Hariharan, 1998, p 8)

3. In Tony Blair's charts with 4 intercepted signs, Mo owns 2 houses of 4th and 5th. Ma owns only 1 house of 7th. Me owns 3 houses of 2,3,6 and Ve owns only 1 house of 1st. In Greta Garbo's chart with 3 cusps falling in one sign, Ma owns only 1 house of 7; Me 3 houses of 2nd, 3rd and 4th; Ju also owns 3 houses of 8th,9th and 10th.

http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16208

4. In the chart, 5 Nov 1968,6:55 GMT, 42N27, 71W04 (US), NKPA 23-19-55, Asc le 26-43-33(KPAstro 3.1), Su owns 2 houses of 1st and 12th; Mo owns none; others normally 2 houses each.

5. some related messages

http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 23399

http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 20005

http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 2257

http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 860

Regards,

tw

 

@gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Friends,

>

>

> I wish to table the following questions for the attention of

> the stalwarts of the forum for the purpose of gathering more knowledge of KP.

>

> When we erect bhawa charts for any birth or any incident in

> KP, some times we find some bhawas are over running some Signs. In such cases

> the lord of over-ran sign is no longer indicates as the Bhawa Lord. Especially Sun and Moon are to be found in this type of cases, who are the single sign

> owners.

> Ex: 4th Cusp Cancer 03.27.56

> 5th Cusp Cancer 29.23.55

> 6th Cusp Virgo 05.17.07

>

> Here the 5th cusp runs up to Virgo,

> by passing the Leo Sign. Hence the Sun has no any Bhawa to be labeled as a Bhawa

> Lord.

> 1. In such cases how to determine

> the role of Sun?

> 2. Is it only on the placement of Sun?

> 3. Bhawas are

> most important than to Rashis in this system. So can Sun be treated as the

> Lord of Leo in the matter of predications, where the Moon has acquired the

> ownership of the longitudinal area of Leo?

>

> Kalyan

>

[Guest guest]

Namaskar,Dear Dr. Rath JiThank u for yr clarification on the matter.KalyanLuther Rath <rathluther Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:27:26 AMRe: Planets who loss their Lordships of Bhawas

 

Dear Kalyanji,

Namasthe.

In the example quoted by you Sun does not own any Bhava, true. So Sun is not a Bhava Lord. Let us just remember here that it is generally conceived that the occupant is stronger than the owner. So ownership is only a weaker signification. The strong signification of Sun is the house which it occupies. Further Sun also signifies the houses owned and occupied by the lord of constellation that is occupied by Sun.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comMonday, July 13, 2009 9:10:39 PM Planets who loss their Lordships of Bhawas

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

I wish to table the following questions for the attention of the stalwarts of the forum for the purpose of gathering more knowledge of KP.

 

When we erect bhawa charts for any birth or any incident in KP, some times we find some bhawas are over running some Signs. In such cases the lord of over-ran sign is no longer indicates as the Bhawa Lord. Especially Sun and Moon are to be found in this type of cases, who are the single sign owners.

Ex: 4th Cusp Cancer 03.27.56

5th Cusp Cancer 29.23.55

6th Cusp Virgo 05.17.07

 

Here the 5th cusp runs up to Virgo, by passing the Leo Sign. Hence the Sun has no any Bhawa to be labeled as a Bhawa Lord.

1. In such cases how to determine the role of Sun?

2. Is it only on the placement of Sun?

3. Bhawas are most important than to Rashis in this system. So can Sun be treated as the Lord of Leo in the matter of predications, where the Moon has acquired the ownership of the longitudinal area of Leo?

 

Kalyan

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Namaskar,Dear Shri Yogesh Lajmi Ji,It is for KP only.RegdsKalyanYogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:34:22 PMRe: Planets who loss their Lordships of Bhawas

 

Dear Sir,

Are you refering to K.P. or Traditional Astrological definitions ?

Yogesh Lajmi

 

 

 

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comMonday, July 13, 2009 9:10:39 PM Planets who loss their Lordships of Bhawas

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

I wish to table the following questions for the attention of the stalwarts of the forum for the purpose of gathering more knowledge of KP.

 

When we erect bhawa charts for any birth or any incident in KP, some times we find some bhawas are over running some Signs. In such cases the lord of over-ran sign is no longer indicates as the Bhawa Lord. Especially Sun and Moon are to be found in this type of cases, who are the single sign owners.

Ex: 4th Cusp Cancer 03.27.56

5th Cusp Cancer 29.23.55

6th Cusp Virgo 05.17.07

 

Here the 5th cusp runs up to Virgo, by passing the Leo Sign. Hence the Sun has no any Bhawa to be labeled as a Bhawa Lord.

1. In such cases how to determine the role of Sun?

2. Is it only on the placement of Sun?

3. Bhawas are most important than to Rashis in this system. So can Sun be treated as the Lord of Leo in the matter of predications, where the Moon has acquired the ownership of the longitudinal area of Leo?

 

Kalyan

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr.Kalyan,

As you know,in K.P., a House begins from the begining of a cusp to the begining of the next House. Sometimes it can happen that two cusps are in one sign,in that case both the Sign-lords will be treated as lords of both the Houses...

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

 

 

 

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:38:01 PMRe: Planets who loss their Lordships of Bhawas

 

 

 

Namaskar,Dear Shri Yogesh Lajmi Ji,It is for KP only.RegdsKalyan

 

 

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >@gro ups.comMonday, July 13, 2009 9:34:22 PMRe: Planets who loss their Lordships of Bhawas

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

Are you refering to K.P. or Traditional Astrological definitions ?

Yogesh Lajmi

 

 

 

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comMonday, July 13, 2009 9:10:39 PM Planets who loss their Lordships of Bhawas

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

I wish to table the following questions for the attention of the stalwarts of the forum for the purpose of gathering more knowledge of KP.

 

When we erect bhawa charts for any birth or any incident in KP, some times we find some bhawas are over running some Signs. In such cases the lord of over-ran sign is no longer indicates as the Bhawa Lord. Especially Sun and Moon are to be found in this type of cases, who are the single sign owners.

Ex: 4th Cusp Cancer 03.27.56

5th Cusp Cancer 29.23.55

6th Cusp Virgo 05.17.07

 

Here the 5th cusp runs up to Virgo, by passing the Leo Sign. Hence the Sun has no any Bhawa to be labeled as a Bhawa Lord.

1. In such cases how to determine the role of Sun?

2. Is it only on the placement of Sun?

3. Bhawas are most important than to Rashis in this system. So can Sun be treated as the Lord of Leo in the matter of predications, where the Moon has acquired the ownership of the longitudinal area of Leo?

 

Kalyan

[Guest guest]

Dear Yogesh Lajmi Ji,Noted with thanks.KalyanYogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:36:19 PMRe: Planets who loss their Lordships of Bhawas

 

Dear Mr.Kalyan,

As you know,in K.P., a House begins from the begining of a cusp to the begining of the next House. Sometimes it can happen that two cusps are in one sign,in that case both the Sign-lords will be treated as lords of both the Houses...

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

 

 

 

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comTuesday, July 14, 2009 3:38:01 PMRe: Planets who loss their Lordships of Bhawas

 

 

 

Namaskar,Dear Shri Yogesh Lajmi Ji,It is for KP only.RegdsKalyan

 

 

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >@gro ups.comMonday, July 13, 2009 9:34:22 PMRe: Planets who loss their Lordships of Bhawas

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

Are you refering to K.P. or Traditional Astrological definitions ?

Yogesh Lajmi

 

 

 

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comMonday, July 13, 2009 9:10:39 PM Planets who loss their Lordships of Bhawas

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

I wish to table the following questions for the attention of the stalwarts of the forum for the purpose of gathering more knowledge of KP.

 

When we erect bhawa charts for any birth or any incident in KP, some times we find some bhawas are over running some Signs. In such cases the lord of over-ran sign is no longer indicates as the Bhawa Lord. Especially Sun and Moon are to be found in this type of cases, who are the single sign owners.

Ex: 4th Cusp Cancer 03.27.56

5th Cusp Cancer 29.23.55

6th Cusp Virgo 05.17.07

 

Here the 5th cusp runs up to Virgo, by passing the Leo Sign. Hence the Sun has no any Bhawa to be labeled as a Bhawa Lord.

1. In such cases how to determine the role of Sun?

2. Is it only on the placement of Sun?

3. Bhawas are most important than to Rashis in this system. So can Sun be treated as the Lord of Leo in the matter of predications, where the Moon has acquired the ownership of the longitudinal area of Leo?

 

Kalyan