A Study of 100 Prisoner Charts

July 17, 2009

Dear tw,

All K.P students who have studied and practised K.P., know these elementary facts...specially that the sub is the deciding factor...what kind of "research" is this ? Research for the sake of research ?

Yogesh Lajmi.

tw853 <tw853 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:22:39 PM A Study of 100 Prisoner Charts

Dear Friends,1. A Study of 100 Prisoner Charts (published in KPE-zine March 2009) is uploaded in the File section to show that planet itself even as Karaka is not important in KP2. In KP the concerned cusp sub lord indicates whether a matter is promised or not for the native.3. Whether a planet is favorable or not for the concerned matter is shown by its sub lord.4. That is why KP is only the sub lord theory, nothing else5. What the sub lord indicates is considered by occupation and lordship of the planet, its star and sub. 6. The cusp sub lord is also a planet.7. Rasi and planet by nature are minor in KP. Bhava as per Placidus is decisive than Rasi.Regards,tw

July 17, 2009

Dear Tw ji,

Appreciate the work done in this study. I must say that your attempt to bring statistical and scientific sutdy in the field of astrology is really commendable.

While going through the study, I had some thoughts/ questions as follows

1. The assumption " Each planet’s chance of appearance as 12CSL is 11.1% (1/9) " seems incorrect.

As you know that the span of each sub is of unequal size in a Nakshatra. Rahu's span is of 2 degree out of 13 degree 20 minutes. To take an example of Rahu, possiblity of Rahu appearing as sub lord of 12th cusp should be 2 degree / 13 degree 20 minutes X 100 = 15%. Possiblity of Sun appearing as sub lord of 12th cusp should be 0 degree 40 minutes / 13 degree 20 minutes X 100 = 5%.Similarly we should calculate for other planets. As per Vimshottari Dasa distribution, Venus has been allocated maximum 20 years and hence possibility of Venus being cuspal sublord of 12th is maximum. So in order to do the exact calculation, we need to introduce weighting factor based on the span of each sub.

2. " The appearance of Saturn is very close to Rahu, chief karaka for imprisonment, in all three levels of 12CSL and its star lord and sub lord, followed by Venus and Mercury. "

Again, it happened because these are the planet allocated most number of years as per Vimshottari dasa year allocation, so they get wider sub span. Point no. 1 and 2 are valid for sub lords only (CSL and Sbl) as Stl are equally distributed and each nakshatra is always going to be 13 degree 20 mintues.

3. " The signification of 2,3,8,12 houses by the 12CSL and its star lord and sub lord is clearly found valid in over 90 of 100 charts under study, as shown in the Appendix Table. "

Can you please explain how you calculated 90%? Is it either 12th CSL or Stl or Sbl signifying any of 2, 3, 8 or 12?

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:22 PM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Friends,1. A Study of 100 Prisoner Charts (published in KPE-zine March 2009) is uploaded in the File section to show that planet itself even as Karaka is not important in KP2. In KP the concerned cusp sub lord indicates whether a matter is promised or not for the native.

3. Whether a planet is favorable or not for the concerned matter is shown by its sub lord.4. That is why KP is only the sub lord theory, nothing else5. What the sub lord indicates is considered by occupation and lordship of the planet, its star and sub.

6. The cusp sub lord is also a planet.7. Rasi and planet by nature are minor in KP. Bhava as per Placidus is decisive than Rasi.Regards,tw

July 18, 2009

Dear Punit ji,

1. Thanks for encouragement.

2. Here the face result (planet) of 12CSL is taken from Su to Ke 9 planets.

Inequality of sub division is already applied in the stage of SW calculation of

sub and it is no more relevant when I'm looking at the 12CSL (planet) of each

chart.

2. Similarly in taking the face result (planet) of 12CSL, each planet has equal

chance and the inequal division of sub is no more involved in my study computer

print-out of 12CSL. I hope you've got the point as a KP SW developer.

3. Yes, it's either 12th CSL or its Stl or its Sbl signifying any of 2, 3, 8 or

12 as done by Shri Bhatt and others getting success.

Thanks and regards,

tw

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Tw ji,

>

> Appreciate the work done in this study. I must say that your attempt to bring

statistical and scientific sutdy in the field of astrology is really

commendable.

>

> While going through the study, I had some thoughts/ questions as follows -

>

> 1. The assumption " Each planet's chance of appearance as 12CSL is 11.1%

> (1/9) " seems incorrect.

> As you know that the span of each sub is of unequal size in a Nakshatra.

> Rahu's span is of 2 degree out of 13 degree 20 minutes. To take an example

> of Rahu, possiblity of Rahu appearing as sub lord of 12th cusp should be 2

> degree / 13 degree 20 minutes X 100 = 15%. Possiblity of Sun appearing as

> sub lord of 12th cusp should be 0 degree 40 minutes / 13 degree 20 minutes X

> 100 = 5%.Similarly we should calculate for other planets. As per Vimshottari

> Dasa distribution, Venus has been allocated maximum 20 years and hence

> possibility of Venus being cuspal sublord of 12th is maximum. So in order to

> do the exact calculation, we need to introduce weighting factor based on the

> span of each sub.

>

> 2. " The appearance of Saturn is very close to Rahu, chief karaka for

> imprisonment, in all three levels of 12CSL and its star lord and sub lord,

> followed by Venus and Mercury. "

> Again, it happened because these are the planet allocated most number of

> years as per Vimshottari dasa year allocation, so they get wider sub span.

> Point no. 1 and 2 are valid for sub lords only (CSL and Sbl) as Stl are

> equally distributed and each nakshatra is always going to be 13 degree 20

> mintues.

>

> 3. " The signification of 2,3,8,12 houses by the 12CSL and its star lord and

> sub lord is clearly found valid in over 90 of 100 charts under study, as

> shown in the Appendix Table. "

> Can you please explain how you calculated 90%? Is it either 12th CSL or Stl

> or Sbl signifying any of 2, 3, 8 or 12?

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:22 PM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > 1. A Study of 100 Prisoner Charts (published in KPE-zine March 2009) is

> > uploaded in the File section to show that planet itself even as Karaka is

> > not important in KP

> > 2. In KP the concerned cusp sub lord indicates whether a matter is promised

> > or not for the native.

> > 3. Whether a planet is favorable or not for the concerned matter is shown

> > by its sub lord.

> > 4. That is why KP is only the sub lord theory, nothing else

> > 5. What the sub lord indicates is considered by occupation and lordship of

> > the planet, its star and sub.

> > 6. The cusp sub lord is also a planet.

> > 7. Rasi and planet by nature are minor in KP. Bhava as per Placidus is

> > decisive than Rasi.

> > Regards,

> > tw

> >

>

July 18, 2009

Dear Yogesh Lajmi,

It seems:

1. you haven't studied Guruji KSK's statement in pp 313-4 of KP Reader VI of any

reprint of 1970 original that for who will go to jail and who will not, judge

the 12th cusp and find out whether the following three conditions are

simultaneously satisfied:-

(i) The sub-lord of the 12th cusp shuld be Rahu:

(ii) It shuld not be deposited in the constellation whose lord is retrograde and

(iii) It shuld be a significator of either 2nd or 3rd or 8th or 12th house.

If nay one of these three conditions is not satisfied, one will not be

imprisoned. For imprisonment all the above three conditions must necessarily be

satisfied simultaneously.

Thanks and regards,

tw

, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

>

> Dear tw,

> All K.P students who have studied and practised K.P., know these

elementary facts...specially that the sub is the deciding factor...what kind of

" research " is this ? Research for the sake of research ?

> Yogesh Lajmi.

>

> ________________________________

> tw853 <tw853

>

> Friday, July 17, 2009 5:22:39 PM

> A Study of 100 Prisoner Charts

>

> Dear Friends,

> 1. A Study of 100 Prisoner Charts (published in KPE-zine March 2009) is

uploaded in the File section to show that planet itself even as Karaka is not

important in KP

> 2. In KP the concerned cusp sub lord indicates whether a matter is promised or

not for the native.

> 3. Whether a planet is favorable or not for the concerned matter is shown by

its sub lord.

> 4. That is why KP is only the sub lord theory, nothing else

> 5. What the sub lord indicates is considered by occupation and lordship of the

planet, its star and sub.

> 6. The cusp sub lord is also a planet.

> 7. Rasi and planet by nature are minor in KP. Bhava as per Placidus is

decisive than Rasi.

> Regards,

> tw

>

July 18, 2009

Dear Tw ji,

1. Software do not apply inequality. Software merely give you the calculation based on unequal distribution. Possibility should always be mathematical - no exceptions. To find this assumption is incorrect, try to run your program/ test case on a random sample of 100% and note each planet appearing as a sub. You will clearly find that planet allocated more vimshottari dasa years will appear more often as sub lord than the planets that are allocated less years in vimshottari dasa scheme.

2. As per probability, " 12th CSL or its Stl or its Sbl signifying any of 2, 3, 8 or 12 as done by Shri Bhatt and others getting success. " will hold true 90 out of 100 times always. I don't think 90% is not conclusive here. One house appearing as significator of a planet has 1/12 probability. So any one of the four houses appearing as significator of a planet is anyways having 4/ 12 probability. If we extend it this for Stl and Sbl as we almost converge to 100% possibility which means that " 12th CSL or its Stl or its Sbl signifying any of 2, 3, 8 or 12 " will be almost always true. Only reason that you are getting 90% not 100% because sometimes the same planet can be CSL, Stl and Sbl and hence reducing the probability. Again to better understand, try to run your code on any random 100 charts and you will find that this condition is successful most of the time - whether prisoner or non-prisoner. In other words '90%' here is not conclusive and the success criteria for this test-case need to be redefined before we can say anything conclusively.

One suggestion to improve the success criteria and make it conclusive is to remove Sbl. Or alternatively, you can check for AND condition rather than OR condition to have stricter success criteria.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 7:19 AM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Punit ji,1. Thanks for encouragement.2. Here the face result (planet) of 12CSL is taken from Su to Ke 9 planets. Inequality of sub division is already applied in the stage of SW calculation of sub and it is no more relevant when I'm looking at the 12CSL (planet) of each chart.

2. Similarly in taking the face result (planet) of 12CSL, each planet has equal chance and the inequal division of sub is no more involved in my study computer print-out of 12CSL. I hope you've got the point as a KP SW developer.

3. Yes, it's either 12th CSL or its Stl or its Sbl signifying any of 2, 3, 8 or 12 as done by Shri Bhatt and others getting success.Thanks and regards,tw , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>> Dear Tw ji,> > Appreciate the work done in this study. I must say that your attempt to bring statistical and scientific sutdy in the field of astrology is really commendable.> > While going through the study, I had some thoughts/ questions as follows -

> > 1. The assumption " Each planet's chance of appearance as 12CSL is 11.1%> (1/9) " seems incorrect.> As you know that the span of each sub is of unequal size in a Nakshatra.

> Rahu's span is of 2 degree out of 13 degree 20 minutes. To take an example> of Rahu, possiblity of Rahu appearing as sub lord of 12th cusp should be 2> degree / 13 degree 20 minutes X 100 = 15%. Possiblity of Sun appearing as

> sub lord of 12th cusp should be 0 degree 40 minutes / 13 degree 20 minutes X> 100 = 5%.Similarly we should calculate for other planets. As per Vimshottari> Dasa distribution, Venus has been allocated maximum 20 years and hence

> possibility of Venus being cuspal sublord of 12th is maximum. So in order to> do the exact calculation, we need to introduce weighting factor based on the> span of each sub.> > 2. " The appearance of Saturn is very close to Rahu, chief karaka for

> imprisonment, in all three levels of 12CSL and its star lord and sub lord,> followed by Venus and Mercury. " > Again, it happened because these are the planet allocated most number of> years as per Vimshottari dasa year allocation, so they get wider sub span.

> Point no. 1 and 2 are valid for sub lords only (CSL and Sbl) as Stl are> equally distributed and each nakshatra is always going to be 13 degree 20> mintues.> > 3. " The signification of 2,3,8,12 houses by the 12CSL and its star lord and

> sub lord is clearly found valid in over 90 of 100 charts under study, as> shown in the Appendix Table. " > Can you please explain how you calculated 90%? Is it either 12th CSL or Stl> or Sbl signifying any of 2, 3, 8 or 12?

> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey>

> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:22 PM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Friends,> > 1. A Study of 100 Prisoner Charts (published in KPE-zine March 2009) is

> > uploaded in the File section to show that planet itself even as Karaka is> > not important in KP> > 2. In KP the concerned cusp sub lord indicates whether a matter is promised> > or not for the native.

> > 3. Whether a planet is favorable or not for the concerned matter is shown> > by its sub lord.> > 4. That is why KP is only the sub lord theory, nothing else> > 5. What the sub lord indicates is considered by occupation and lordship of

> > the planet, its star and sub.> > 6. The cusp sub lord is also a planet.> > 7. Rasi and planet by nature are minor in KP. Bhava as per Placidus is> > decisive than Rasi.> > Regards,

> > tw> >> >> >>

July 20, 2009

Dear Tin Win,

I have studied the 100charts given by you and found in charts under serial no:4,9,10,12, 13,14,18, 19, 22, 23 & 33 there is no 8th house is connected. As per our recent discussion on foreign trip the rule based on recent study is 12CSL should signify 3 or 9 or 12 and not 9CSL to signify 3,9,12. Now if you take the above cases the 12CSL most linked with 3,12. So why it can't be some foreign trip rather than Imprisonment. Similarly you must have done some 100AA charts study for foreign trip and some or more may be 12CSL connected with 2,8 along with any one of 3,12 house so why it can't be some Imprisonment rather than foreign trip. Can you through some light on this point.

Thanks

D.Senthil

--- On Fri, 7/17/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: A Study of 100 Prisoner Charts Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 10:58 PM

Dear Tw ji,

1. Software do not apply inequality. Software merely give you the calculation based on unequal distribution. Possibility should always be mathematical - no exceptions. To find this assumption is incorrect, try to run your program/ test case on a random sample of 100% and note each planet appearing as a sub. You will clearly find that planet allocated more vimshottari dasa years will appear more often as sub lord than the planets that are allocated less years in vimshottari dasa scheme.

2. As per probability, "12th CSL or its Stl or its Sbl signifying any of 2, 3, 8 or 12 as done by Shri Bhatt and others getting success." will hold true 90 out of 100 times always. I don't think 90% is not conclusive here. One house appearing as significator of a planet has 1/12 probability. So any one of the four houses appearing as significator of a planet is anyways having 4/ 12 probability. If we extend it this for Stl and Sbl as we almost converge to 100% possibility which means that "12th CSL or its Stl or its Sbl signifying any of 2, 3, 8 or 12" will be almost always true. Only reason that you are getting 90% not 100% because sometimes the same planet can be CSL, Stl and Sbl and hence reducing the probability. Again to better understand, try to run your code on any random 100 charts and you will find that this condition is successful most of the time - whether prisoner or non-prisoner. In other words '90%'

here is not conclusive and the success criteria for this test-case need to be redefined before we can say anything conclusively.

One suggestion to improve the success criteria and make it conclusive is to remove Sbl. Or alternatively, you can check for AND condition rather than OR condition to have stricter success criteria.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 7:19 AM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

Dear Punit ji,1. Thanks for encouragement.2. Here the face result (planet) of 12CSL is taken from Su to Ke 9 planets. Inequality of sub division is already applied in the stage of SW calculation of sub and it is no more relevant when I'm looking at the 12CSL (planet) of each chart.2. Similarly in taking the face result (planet) of 12CSL, each planet has equal chance and the inequal division of sub is no more involved in my study computer print-out of 12CSL. I hope you've got the point as a KP SW developer. 3. Yes, it's either 12th CSL or its Stl or its Sbl signifying any of 2, 3, 8 or 12 as done by Shri Bhatt and others getting success.Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw

ji,> > Appreciate the work done in this study. I must say that your attempt to bring statistical and scientific sutdy in the field of astrology is really commendable.> > While going through the study, I had some thoughts/ questions as follows -

> > 1. The assumption "Each planet's chance of appearance as 12CSL is 11.1%> (1/9)" seems incorrect.> As you know that the span of each sub is of unequal size in a Nakshatra.> Rahu's span is of 2 degree out of 13 degree 20 minutes. To take an example> of Rahu, possiblity of Rahu appearing as sub lord of 12th cusp should be 2> degree / 13 degree 20 minutes X 100 = 15%. Possiblity of Sun appearing as> sub lord of 12th cusp should be 0 degree 40 minutes / 13 degree 20 minutes X> 100 = 5%.Similarly we should calculate for other planets. As per Vimshottari> Dasa distribution, Venus has been allocated maximum 20 years and hence> possibility of Venus being cuspal sublord of 12th is maximum. So in order to> do the exact calculation, we need to introduce weighting factor based on the> span of each sub.> > 2. "The appearance of Saturn is very

close to Rahu, chief karaka for> imprisonment, in all three levels of 12CSL and its star lord and sub lord,> followed by Venus and Mercury."> Again, it happened because these are the planet allocated most number of> years as per Vimshottari dasa year allocation, so they get wider sub span.> Point no. 1 and 2 are valid for sub lords only (CSL and Sbl) as Stl are> equally distributed and each nakshatra is always going to be 13 degree 20> mintues.> > 3. "The signification of 2,3,8,12 houses by the 12CSL and its star lord and> sub lord is clearly found valid in over 90 of 100 charts under study, as> shown in the Appendix Table. "> Can you please explain how you calculated 90%? Is it either 12th CSL or Stl> or Sbl signifying any of 2, 3, 8 or 12?> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey>

> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:22 PM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Friends,> > 1. A Study of 100 Prisoner Charts (published in KPE-zine March 2009) is> > uploaded in the File section to show that planet itself even as Karaka is> > not important in KP> > 2. In KP the concerned cusp sub lord indicates whether a matter is promised> > or not for the native.> > 3. Whether a planet is favorable or not for the concerned matter is shown> > by its sub lord.> > 4. That is why KP is only the sub lord theory, nothing else> > 5. What the sub lord indicates is considered by occupation and lordship of> > the planet, its star and sub.> > 6. The cusp sub lord is also a planet.> > 7. Rasi and planet by nature are minor in KP. Bhava as per Placidus is> > decisive than

Rasi.> > Regards,> > tw> >> >> >>

July 21, 2009

Dear Senthil,

1. I'm wondering whether you're okay to tell me I should study another 100

charts after missing up two differ studies of " 100 charts of prisoners " recently

and " 100 charts of foreign settlement " long ago with different objectives and

without presenting any research yourself.

2. Abstract from " Rules for Foreign Going, Settlement and Return to Motherland "

KPE-zine July 2009 is as given below.

Regards,

tw

Rules for Foreign Going, Settlement and Return to Motherland

I.1. Basic Foreign Going Rule

1. One can go foreign only if the sub lord of the 12th cusp is connected in any

manner with house 3 (change of residence) or 9 (long distance travel) or 12

(life in an altogether new environment and separation from family), preferably

house 9 during the DBA signifying 3,9,12 when transit agrees.

2. The above basic rule of foreign going is found applied with success in

examples of the following references.

1) KP Reader III p 321 (Old Edition, Practical Part p 155)

2) KP Reader VI pp 264, 301

3) CR Bhatt: Nahshatra Chinyamani pp 96, 144

4) CR Bhatt: Further Lighst of Nahshatra Chinyamani pp 15, 81

5) MP Shanmugam: Astrosecrets and KP Part I, 2003, p 208

6) K Subramaniam (Editor): Astrosecrets and KP Part III, 2002, p 58

7) KM Subramaniam: Sublord Speaks Part 3 page 133

8) KP Kuppu Ganapathi, KP & Astrology Year Book 2009 p 58

9) K Subramaniam, KP & Astrology 2008 p 1

10) K Subramaniam: KP & Astrology 2005 p 2

11) K Subramaniam: Astrology for Beginners Vol. 6 p 1064

12) K Hariharan: How to Judge a Nativity p 38;

13) K Hariharan: Krishnamurti Padhdhati p 52

14) N Santhanalingam: KP & Astrology 2002 p 39

15) Dr. Bal Krishna Singh: KP & Astrology 2002 p 195

16) G Subramaniam, KP & Astrology 2007 p 23

17) Katakam Ramasamy: KP & Astrology 2006 p 46

18) R Gopal: KP & Astrology 2005 p 21

19) TS Bisht: KP & Astrology 1997 p 25

3. This rule is also found valid for almost all charts with only one exception

in the study of 100 foreign settlement charts ie. the 12th cusp sub lord is

connected with any of house 3, 9 and 12.

, Senthil <athi_ram wrote:

>

> Dear Tin Win,

>

> I have studied the 100charts given by you and found in charts under serial

no:4,9,10,12, 13,14,18, 19, 22, 23 & 33 there is no 8th house is connected. As

per our recent discussion on foreign trip the rule based on recent study is

12CSL should signify 3 or 9 or 12 and not 9CSL to signify 3,9,12. Now if you

take the above cases the 12CSL most linked with 3,12. So why it can't be some

foreign trip rather than Imprisonment. Similarly you must have done some 100AA

charts study for foreign trip and some or more may be 12CSL connected with 2,8

along with any one of 3,12 house so why it can't be some Imprisonment rather

than foreign trip. Can you through some light on this point.

>

> Thanks

>

> D.Senthil

>

> --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp

> Re: Re: A Study of 100 Prisoner Charts

>

> Friday, July 17, 2009, 10:58 PM

>

> Dear Tw ji,

>

> 1. Software do not apply inequality. Software merely give you the calculation

based on unequal distribution. Possibility should always be mathematical - no

exceptions. To find this assumption is incorrect, try to run your program/ test

case on a random sample of 100% and note each planet appearing as a sub. You

will clearly find that planet allocated more vimshottari dasa years will appear

more often as sub lord than the planets that are allocated less years in

vimshottari dasa scheme.

>

> 2. As per probability, " 12th CSL or its Stl or its Sbl signifying any of 2, 3,

8 or 12 as done by Shri Bhatt and others getting success. " will hold true 90 out

of 100 times always. I don't think 90% is not conclusive here. One house

appearing as significator of a planet has 1/12 probability. So any one of the

four houses appearing as significator of a planet is anyways having 4/ 12

probability. If we extend it this for Stl and Sbl as we almost converge to 100%

possibility which means that " 12th CSL or its Stl or its Sbl signifying any of

2, 3, 8 or 12 " will be almost always true. Only reason that you are getting 90%

not 100% because sometimes the same planet can be CSL, Stl and Sbl and hence

reducing the probability. Again to better understand, try to run your code on

any random 100 charts and you will find that this condition is successful most

of the time - whether prisoner or non-prisoner. In other words '90%' here is

not conclusive and the

> success criteria for this test-case need to be redefined before we can say

anything conclusively.

>

> One suggestion to improve the success criteria and make it conclusive is to

remove Sbl. Or alternatively, you can check for AND condition rather than OR

condition to have stricter success criteria.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 7:19 AM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

>

> Dear Punit ji,

> 1. Thanks for encouragement.

> 2. Here the face result (planet) of 12CSL is taken from Su to Ke 9 planets.

Inequality of sub division is already applied in the stage of SW calculation of

sub and it is no more relevant when I'm looking at the 12CSL (planet) of each

chart.

> 2. Similarly in taking the face result (planet) of 12CSL, each planet has

equal chance and the inequal division of sub is no more involved in my study

computer print-out of 12CSL. I hope you've got the point as a KP SW developer.

> 3. Yes, it's either 12th CSL or its Stl or its Sbl signifying any of 2, 3, 8

or 12 as done by Shri Bhatt and others getting success.

> Thanks and regards,

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tw ji,

> >

> > Appreciate the work done in this study. I must say that your attempt to

bring statistical and scientific sutdy in the field of astrology is really

commendable.

> >

> > While going through the study, I had some thoughts/ questions as follows -

>

> >

> > 1. The assumption " Each planet's chance of appearance as 12CSL is 11.1%

> > (1/9) " seems incorrect.

> > As you know that the span of each sub is of unequal size in a Nakshatra.

> > Rahu's span is of 2 degree out of 13 degree 20 minutes. To take an example

> > of Rahu, possiblity of Rahu appearing as sub lord of 12th cusp should be 2

> > degree / 13 degree 20 minutes X 100 = 15%. Possiblity of Sun appearing as

> > sub lord of 12th cusp should be 0 degree 40 minutes / 13 degree 20 minutes X

> > 100 = 5%.Similarly we should calculate for other planets. As per Vimshottari

> > Dasa distribution, Venus has been allocated maximum 20 years and hence

> > possibility of Venus being cuspal sublord of 12th is maximum. So in order to

> > do the exact calculation, we need to introduce weighting factor based on the

> > span of each sub.

> >

> > 2. " The appearance of Saturn is very close to Rahu, chief karaka for

> > imprisonment, in all three levels of 12CSL and its star lord and sub lord,

> > followed by Venus and Mercury. "

> > Again, it happened because these are the planet allocated most number of

> > years as per Vimshottari dasa year allocation, so they get wider sub span.

> > Point no. 1 and 2 are valid for sub lords only (CSL and Sbl) as Stl are

> > equally distributed and each nakshatra is always going to be 13 degree 20

> > mintues.

> >

> > 3. " The signification of 2,3,8,12 houses by the 12CSL and its star lord and

> > sub lord is clearly found valid in over 90 of 100 charts under study, as

> > shown in the Appendix Table. "

> > Can you please explain how you calculated 90%? Is it either 12th CSL or Stl

> > or Sbl signifying any of 2, 3, 8 or 12?

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

>

> > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:22 PM, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > 1. A Study of 100 Prisoner Charts (published in KPE-zine March 2009) is

> > > uploaded in the File section to show that planet itself even as Karaka is

> > > not important in KP

> > > 2. In KP the concerned cusp sub lord indicates whether a matter is

promised

> > > or not for the native.

> > > 3. Whether a planet is favorable or not for the concerned matter is shown

> > > by its sub lord.

> > > 4. That is why KP is only the sub lord theory, nothing else

> > > 5. What the sub lord indicates is considered by occupation and lordship of

> > > the planet, its star and sub.

> > > 6. The cusp sub lord is also a planet.

> > > 7. Rasi and planet by nature are minor in KP. Bhava as per Placidus is

> > > decisive than Rasi.

> > > Regards,

> > > tw

> > >

> >

>

July 21, 2009

Dear Tin Win,

I don't mean that you have to study 100 charts & don't say that the rule for foreign trip 12CSL signifies 3,9,12 are wrong. As you have studied some 100AA chart for foreign trip & imprisonment (now) i thought you might have done some study on 12CSL as it is considered to be the primary CUSP for the both matters and significators are same except 8,9.

I don't know how to collect the data from the ASTROBANK to some specific category wise. You may tell some method how to filter and collect charts from the DataBank. This may help for members to do some study/research.

Thanks

D.Senthil

--- On Mon, 7/20/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: A Study of 100 Prisoner Charts Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 7:29 PM

Dear Senthil,1. I'm wondering whether you're okay to tell me I should study another 100 charts after missing up two differ studies of "100 charts of prisoners" recently and "100 charts of foreign settlement" long ago with different objectives and without presenting any research yourself.2. Abstract from "Rules for Foreign Going, Settlement and Return to Motherland" KPE-zine July 2009 is as given below.Regards,twRules for Foreign Going, Settlement and Return to MotherlandI.1. Basic Foreign Going Rule1. One can go foreign only if the sub lord of the 12th cusp is connected in any manner with house 3 (change of residence) or 9 (long distance travel) or 12 (life in an altogether new environment and separation from family), preferably house 9 during the DBA signifying 3,9,12 when transit agrees.2. The above basic rule of foreign going is found applied with success in examples of the following references.1) KP Reader

III p 321 (Old Edition, Practical Part p 155) 2) KP Reader VI pp 264, 3013) CR Bhatt: Nahshatra Chinyamani pp 96, 1444) CR Bhatt: Further Lighst of Nahshatra Chinyamani pp 15, 815) MP Shanmugam: Astrosecrets and KP Part I, 2003, p 208 6) K Subramaniam (Editor): Astrosecrets and KP Part III, 2002, p 58 7) KM Subramaniam: Sublord Speaks Part 3 page 1338) KP Kuppu Ganapathi, KP & Astrology Year Book 2009 p 589) K Subramaniam, KP & Astrology 2008 p 1 10) K Subramaniam: KP & Astrology 2005 p 211) K Subramaniam: Astrology for Beginners Vol. 6 p 106412) K Hariharan: How to Judge a Nativity p 38; 13) K Hariharan: Krishnamurti Padhdhati p 5214) N Santhanalingam: KP & Astrology 2002 p 3915) Dr. Bal Krishna Singh: KP & Astrology 2002 p 19516) G Subramaniam, KP & Astrology 2007 p 2317) Katakam Ramasamy: KP & Astrology 2006 p 4618) R Gopal: KP & Astrology 2005 p

2119) TS Bisht: KP & Astrology 1997 p 253. This rule is also found valid for almost all charts with only one exception in the study of 100 foreign settlement charts ie. the 12th cusp sub lord is connected with any of house 3, 9 and 12. @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Tin Win,> > I have studied the 100charts given by you and found in charts under serial no:4,9,10,12, 13,14,18, 19, 22, 23 & 33 there is no 8th house is connected. As per our recent discussion on foreign trip the rule based on recent study is 12CSL should signify 3 or 9 or 12 and not 9CSL to signify 3,9,12. Now if you take the above cases the 12CSL most linked with 3,12. So why it can't be some foreign trip

rather than Imprisonment. Similarly you must have done some 100AA charts study for foreign trip and some or more may be 12CSL connected with 2,8 along with any one of 3,12 house so why it can't be some Imprisonment rather than foreign trip. Can you through some light on this point.> > Thanks> > D.Senthil> > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:> > > Punit Pandey <punitp> Re: Re: A Study of 100 Prisoner Charts> @gro ups.com> Friday, July 17, 2009, 10:58 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Tw ji,> > 1. Software do

not apply inequality. Software merely give you the calculation based on unequal distribution. Possibility should always be mathematical - no exceptions. To find this assumption is incorrect, try to run your program/ test case on a random sample of 100% and note each planet appearing as a sub. You will clearly find that planet allocated more vimshottari dasa years will appear more often as sub lord than the planets that are allocated less years in vimshottari dasa scheme. > > 2. As per probability, "12th CSL or its Stl or its Sbl signifying any of 2, 3, 8 or 12 as done by Shri Bhatt and others getting success." will hold true 90 out of 100 times always. I don't think 90% is not conclusive here. One house appearing as significator of a planet has 1/12 probability. So any one of the four houses appearing as significator of a planet is anyways having 4/ 12 probability. If we extend

it this for Stl and Sbl as we almost converge to 100% possibility which means that "12th CSL or its Stl or its Sbl signifying any of 2, 3, 8 or 12" will be almost always true. Only reason that you are getting 90% not 100% because sometimes the same planet can be CSL, Stl and Sbl and hence reducing the probability. Again to better understand, try to run your code on any random 100 charts and you will find that this condition is successful most of the time - whether prisoner or non-prisoner. In other words '90% ' here is not conclusive and the> success criteria for this test-case need to be redefined before we can say anything conclusively. > > One suggestion to improve the success criteria and make it conclusive is to remove Sbl. Or alternatively, you can check for AND condition rather than OR condition to have stricter success criteria. > > Thanks & Regards,>

> Punit Pandey> > > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 7:19 AM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Punit ji,> 1. Thanks for encouragement.> 2. Here the face result (planet) of 12CSL is taken from Su to Ke 9 planets. Inequality of sub division is already applied in the stage of SW calculation of sub and it is no more relevant when I'm looking at the 12CSL (planet) of each chart.> 2. Similarly in taking the face result (planet) of 12CSL, each planet has equal chance and the inequal division of sub is no more involved in my study computer print-out of 12CSL. I hope you've got the point as a KP SW developer. > 3. Yes, it's either 12th CSL or its Stl or its Sbl signifying any of 2, 3, 8 or 12 as done by Shri Bhatt and others getting success.> Thanks and regards,> tw> > @gro

ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> >> > Dear Tw ji,> > > > Appreciate the work done in this study. I must say that your attempt to bring statistical and scientific sutdy in the field of astrology is really commendable.> > > > While going through the study, I had some thoughts/ questions as follows - > > > > > > > 1. The assumption "Each planet's chance of appearance as 12CSL is 11.1%> > (1/9)" seems incorrect.> > As you know that the span of each sub is of unequal size in a Nakshatra.> > Rahu's span is of 2 degree out of 13 degree 20 minutes. To take an example> > of Rahu, possiblity of Rahu appearing as sub lord of 12th cusp should be 2> > degree / 13 degree 20 minutes X 100 = 15%. Possiblity of Sun appearing as> > sub lord of 12th cusp should be 0 degree 40 minutes / 13 degree 20

minutes X> > 100 = 5%.Similarly we should calculate for other planets. As per Vimshottari> > Dasa distribution, Venus has been allocated maximum 20 years and hence> > possibility of Venus being cuspal sublord of 12th is maximum. So in order to> > do the exact calculation, we need to introduce weighting factor based on the> > span of each sub.> > > > 2. "The appearance of Saturn is very close to Rahu, chief karaka for> > imprisonment, in all three levels of 12CSL and its star lord and sub lord,> > followed by Venus and Mercury."> > Again, it happened because these are the planet allocated most number of> > years as per Vimshottari dasa year allocation, so they get wider sub span.> > Point no. 1 and 2 are valid for sub lords only (CSL and Sbl) as Stl are> > equally distributed and each nakshatra is always going to be 13 degree

20> > mintues.> > > > 3. "The signification of 2,3,8,12 houses by the 12CSL and its star lord and> > sub lord is clearly found valid in over 90 of 100 charts under study, as> > shown in the Appendix Table. "> > Can you please explain how you calculated 90%? Is it either 12th CSL or Stl> > or Sbl signifying any of 2, 3, 8 or 12?> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:22 PM, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> > > > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > 1. A Study of 100 Prisoner Charts (published in KPE-zine March 2009) is> > > uploaded in the File section to show that planet itself even as Karaka is> > > not important in KP> > > 2. In KP the concerned cusp sub lord indicates whether a

matter is promised> > > or not for the native.> > > 3. Whether a planet is favorable or not for the concerned matter is shown> > > by its sub lord.> > > 4. That is why KP is only the sub lord theory, nothing else> > > 5. What the sub lord indicates is considered by occupation and lordship of> > > the planet, its star and sub.> > > 6. The cusp sub lord is also a planet.> > > 7. Rasi and planet by nature are minor in KP. Bhava as per Placidus is> > > decisive than Rasi.> > > Regards,> > > tw> > >> > >> > >> >>

July 23, 2009

Dear Sunil,

Filter is available in the paid AstroDatabank 4.0 only. I think you have to go

one by one from the free AstroDatabank in astro.com.

Regards,

tw

, Senthil <athi_ram wrote:

>

> Dear Tin Win,

>

> I don't mean that you have to study 100 charts & don't say that the rule for

foreign trip 12CSL signifies 3,9,12 are wrong. As you have studied some 100AA

chart for foreign trip & imprisonment (now) i thought you might have done some

study on 12CSL as it is considered to be the primary CUSP for the both matters

and significators are same except 8,9.

>

> I don't know how to collect the data from the ASTROBANK to some specific

category wise. You may tell some method how to filter and collect charts from

the DataBank. This may help for members to do some study/research.

>

> Thanks

>

> D.Senthil

>

> --- On Mon, 7/20/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

>

> tw853 <tw853

> Re: A Study of 100 Prisoner Charts

>

> Monday, July 20, 2009, 7:29 PM

>

> Dear Senthil,

> 1. I'm wondering whether you're okay to tell me I should study another 100

charts after missing up two differ studies of " 100 charts of prisoners " recently

and " 100 charts of foreign settlement " long ago with different objectives and

without presenting any research yourself.

> 2. Abstract from " Rules for Foreign Going, Settlement and Return to

Motherland " KPE-zine July 2009 is as given below.

> Regards,

> tw

>

> Rules for Foreign Going, Settlement and Return to Motherland

> I.1. Basic Foreign Going Rule

> 1. One can go foreign only if the sub lord of the 12th cusp is connected in

any manner with house 3 (change of residence) or 9 (long distance travel) or 12

(life in an altogether new environment and separation from family), preferably

house 9 during the DBA signifying 3,9,12 when transit agrees.

> 2. The above basic rule of foreign going is found applied with success in

examples of the following references.

> 1) KP Reader III p 321 (Old Edition, Practical Part p 155)

> 2) KP Reader VI pp 264, 301

> 3) CR Bhatt: Nahshatra Chinyamani pp 96, 144

> 4) CR Bhatt: Further Lighst of Nahshatra Chinyamani pp 15, 81

> 5) MP Shanmugam: Astrosecrets and KP Part I, 2003, p 208

> 6) K Subramaniam (Editor): Astrosecrets and KP Part III, 2002, p 58

> 7) KM Subramaniam: Sublord Speaks Part 3 page 133

> 8) KP Kuppu Ganapathi, KP & Astrology Year Book 2009 p 58

> 9) K Subramaniam, KP & Astrology 2008 p 1

> 10) K Subramaniam: KP & Astrology 2005 p 2

> 11) K Subramaniam: Astrology for Beginners Vol. 6 p 1064

> 12) K Hariharan: How to Judge a Nativity p 38;

> 13) K Hariharan: Krishnamurti Padhdhati p 52

> 14) N Santhanalingam: KP & Astrology 2002 p 39

> 15) Dr. Bal Krishna Singh: KP & Astrology 2002 p 195

> 16) G Subramaniam, KP & Astrology 2007 p 23

> 17) Katakam Ramasamy: KP & Astrology 2006 p 46

> 18) R Gopal: KP & Astrology 2005 p 21

> 19) TS Bisht: KP & Astrology 1997 p 25

> 3. This rule is also found valid for almost all charts with only one exception

in the study of 100 foreign settlement charts ie. the 12th cusp sub lord is

connected with any of house 3, 9 and 12.

>

> @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@ .> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tin Win,

> >

> > I have studied the 100charts given by you and found in charts under serial