One riddle I could't solve

August 1, 2009

Dear all

I seek comments from all members particularly elder KP lovers regarding a chart

for which I could not find any clue regarding the marriage time.

DOB 04-05-1962

10:58 PM

Howrah

Male

His marriage was on 09-02-2005 during Jup-Sat-sat-Ket

Jupiter is a strong significator for marriage, no doubt about it.

But why Saturn? Saturn is so strong that it triggered the event in its own

antara.

Regards

Suprakash

August 2, 2009

Dear Mr. Gosh,

Are you sure that the marriage on 9-2-2005 was his first marriage. It could be 2nd marriage too because of such

late marriage at his 43 years of age. Pl. get this information confirmed.

Truly yours,

K.S.V.Ramani

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S.Ghosh

Saturday, August 01, 2009 11:30 PM

One riddle I could't solve

Dear allI seek comments from all members particularly elder KP lovers regarding a chart for which I could not find any clue regarding the marriage time.DOB 04-05-196210:58 PMHowrahMaleHis marriage was on 09-02-2005 during Jup-Sat-sat-KetJupiter is a strong significator for marriage, no doubt about it.But why Saturn? Saturn is so strong that it triggered the event in its own antara.RegardsSuprakash

August 2, 2009

Dear Sri Gosh,

Please read the marriage date as 4-5-1962 instead of 9-2-2005 in the first line3 of my message.

Yrs. truly,

K.S.V.Ramani

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S.Ghosh

Saturday, August 01, 2009 11:30 PM

One riddle I could't solve

Dear allI seek comments from all members particularly elder KP lovers regarding a chart for which I could not find any clue regarding the marriage time.DOB 04-05-196210:58 PMHowrahMaleHis marriage was on 09-02-2005 during Jup-Sat-sat-KetJupiter is a strong significator for marriage, no doubt about it.But why Saturn? Saturn is so strong that it triggered the event in its own antara.RegardsSuprakash

August 2, 2009

Are you sure the time is 10:58PM and not 10:58AM?

Regards,

Sandeep

, " S.Ghosh " <suprakash.ghosh wrote:

>

> Dear all

>

> I seek comments from all members particularly elder KP lovers regarding a

chart for which I could not find any clue regarding the marriage time.

>

> DOB 04-05-1962

> 10:58 PM

> Howrah

> Male

>

> His marriage was on 09-02-2005 during Jup-Sat-sat-Ket

>

> Jupiter is a strong significator for marriage, no doubt about it.

> But why Saturn? Saturn is so strong that it triggered the event in its own

antara.

>

> Regards

>

> Suprakash

>

August 2, 2009

Dear Suprakash ji,First of all I like to convey that I am not an elder Kp lover! (39 yrs). Hope I am still young!!!My analysis is follows:Rahu is posited in Moon sign and in 7th house.Hence if any planet is in Moon star, Rahu representing Moon will play role also. ( as I ever say nodes are " Multi faced Weapons " )

Hence the planets in Rahu star and also Moon star is capable of favoring marriage. The planets who in the sub of planets who are in the star of Rahu or Moon also capable of giving marriage. (But the panets should not negate strongly .)

As said Guru in the star of Rahu is a strong significator of Marriage.Saturn has the following significations:Saturn signifies 2 as lordship (though it is occupied by Jupiter, Saturn is in its own sign). But as no planet in its star, it also signifies secondarily the 2nd.

Moreover it is in the star of Moon (represented by Rahu posited in its sign). It is in the sub of Mercury (feebly signifies 7 as lordship) posited in 5. But Mercury is in Sun star signfies 4,8 and also 5 through its star lord Venus. This 5 is also favorable for marriage.

Saturn is also aspected by Rahu from 7 also.The other strong planet in Moon star is Venus who signifies 5, and also 2,7 though its sublord Jupiter.Mercury is in the sub of Venus who is in the star of Moon. Hence

Mercury is also capable of favoring marraige provided they do not

negate the event. Mercury is the lord of 7 posited in Sun star in4. But

Sun is in Venus star in 5. Mercury is in Venus star in 5. Venus is in

Moon star (in 4. but signfies 7 through Rahu). The DBAS as per my sw on 9/Feb/2005 is Jup-Sat-Sat-Venusthe day was Mercury day.Transit : Sign-star-subMoon -Sat -Mars (Mars in Mer star in 5)-Sat

Jupiter-Mercury-Mars-RahuSat- Mercury-Jupiter-venusVenus-Sat-Moon-JupiterRegardsAdithwww.thebestastro.com On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 11:30 PM, S.Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:

Dear all

I seek comments from all members particularly elder KP lovers regarding a chart for which I could not find any clue regarding the marriage time.

DOB 04-05-1962

10:58 PM

Howrah

Male

His marriage was on 09-02-2005 during Jup-Sat-sat-Ket

Jupiter is a strong significator for marriage, no doubt about it.

But why Saturn? Saturn is so strong that it triggered the event in its own antara.

Regards

Suprakash

August 2, 2009

S.Ghosh ji Pranam,Indeed its an interesting case. native married in jup-sat-sat-ven If a planet offers the result during its dasa and bhukthi or during its bhukthi and antharam then it will have connection to all the relavant bhavas. (its my personal opinion ) !here saturn is l/o 2 in the sub of 7th lord mercury.saturn rules star on the cusp of 3,11.venus is the sub lord for 2,3,7,11 houses and she is the only planet in the sub of jupiter!!on the date of marriage saturn is exactly on the cusp of the 7th. (this shows the importance of transits). jupiter in mars star rahu sub and venus in moon star jupiter sub. venus is close to natal saturn and exact trine with her natal position ! may be i am wrong !waiting for seniors commentsPeace and Prosperity to All !!VGR--- On Sat,

1/8/09, S.Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:S.Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh One riddle I could't solve Date: Saturday, 1 August, 2009, 11:30 PM

Dear all

I seek comments from all members particularly elder KP lovers regarding a chart for which I could not find any clue regarding the marriage time.

DOB 04-05-1962

10:58 PM

Howrah

Male

His marriage was on 09-02-2005 during Jup-Sat-sat- Ket

Jupiter is a strong significator for marriage, no doubt about it.

But why Saturn? Saturn is so strong that it triggered the event in its own antara.

Regards

Suprakash

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August 3, 2009

Dear Pavanji,

In this Chart, Saturn playing a part for marriage as Bhukthi and Anthara lord is really a puzzle for me. Saturn has no other p lanewt in its stars and hence he is strong by his occupation and cusp for which he is sub lord. In KP system, occupation of planets.

is given more importaance than his lordship. Here Saturn occupies Lagna, which is 12th to 2nd, one of the planets in the required

group viz.2,7,11. Saturn is in the star of Moon posited in 4th, a negative house, and in the sub of Mercury, lord of 7th but in the star of Sun also at 4th. (negative sign). Saturn is the cuspal sublord for 10th, a negative house to 11th. He is strong with self strength.

In such situation, Saturn does not at all qualify to give marriage. Moreover, the marriage is stated to have been celebrated in May,

2005 i.e. after his age of 42 years. That is why, I have asked him to confirm whether the marriage was first for him or second.

His reply is awaited. Your comment please on my above opinion.

Truly Yours,

K.S.V.Ramani

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vgr pavan

Sunday, August 02, Moon009 11:16 PM

Re: One riddle I could't solve

S.Ghosh ji Pranam,Indeed its an interesting case. native married in jup-sat-sat-ven If a planet offers the result during its dasa and bhukthi or during its bhukthi and antharam then it will have connection to all the relavant bhavas. (its my personal opinion ) !here saturn is l/o 2 in the sub of 7th lord mercury.saturn rules star on the cusp of 3,11.venus is the sub lord for 2,3,7,11 houses and she is the only planet in the sub of jupiter!!on the date of marriage saturn is exactly on the cusp of the 7th. (this shows the importance of transits). jupiter in mars star rahu sub and venus in moon star jupiter sub. venus is close to natal saturn and exact trine with her natal position ! may be i am wrong !waiting for seniors commentsPeace and Prosperity to All !!VGR--- On Sat, 1/8/09, S.Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote:

S.Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> One riddle I could't solve Date: Saturday, 1 August, 2009, 11:30 PM

Dear allI seek comments from all members particularly elder KP lovers regarding a chart for which I could not find any clue regarding the marriage time.DOB 04-05-196210:58 PMHowrahMaleHis marriage was on 09-02-2005 during Jup-Sat-sat- KetJupiter is a strong significator for marriage, no doubt about it.But why Saturn? Saturn is so strong that it triggered the event in its own antara.RegardsSuprakash

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August 4, 2009

Dear Adith ji & Friends,

I have few thoughts that I would like to share -

1. This is not the first time we are hearing that four-fold significators are not giving the results as expected. Dhanabalan ji has produced 10 examples in the past and we had couple of other discussions. It seems clear that the " most powerful significators " do not " always " give result in their dasa period. In my opinion, there are some exceptions that needs to be discovered. We will move to that step only when we accept that the present rules are not sufficient (at least in 100% cases).

2. In my opinion, any rule make sense only if we can predict in advance using that rule (and not the post mortem). For example, with whatever new theory (e.g Rahu gives result of other planets etc.) we are talking, could we predict the marriage time in advance. If the answer is yes, we need to do further research on the theory and improve the rule.

3. Moon representing Rahu is not a KP theory. In fact, it is contrary to Shri KSK's teaching. Though it doesn't stop us from using the theory, if we can show some evidence of it working.

4. Another reason why we can say that Rahu is not a significator for marriage is that the native didn't get married in Rahu mahadasa. Rahu in 7th aspected by Saturn significator of 2nd should have given marriage. This should also be a question that why marriage didn't happen during Rahu maha dasa?

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:59 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote:

Dear Suprakash ji,First of all I like to convey that I am not an elder Kp lover! (39 yrs). Hope I am still young!!!My analysis is follows:Rahu is posited in Moon sign and in 7th house.Hence if any planet is in Moon star, Rahu representing Moon will play role also. ( as I ever say nodes are " Multi faced Weapons " )

Hence the planets in Rahu star and also Moon star is capable of favoring marriage. The planets who in the sub of planets who are in the star of Rahu or Moon also capable of giving marriage. (But the panets should not negate strongly .)

As said Guru in the star of Rahu is a strong significator of Marriage.Saturn has the following significations:Saturn signifies 2 as lordship (though it is occupied by Jupiter, Saturn is in its own sign). But as no planet in its star, it also signifies secondarily the 2nd.

Moreover it is in the star of Moon (represented by Rahu posited in its sign). It is in the sub of Mercury (feebly signifies 7 as lordship) posited in 5. But Mercury is in Sun star signfies 4,8 and also 5 through its star lord Venus. This 5 is also favorable for marriage.

Saturn is also aspected by Rahu from 7 also.The other strong planet in Moon star is Venus who signifies 5, and also 2,7 though its sublord Jupiter.Mercury is in the sub of Venus who is in the star of Moon. Hence Mercury is also capable of favoring marraige provided they do not negate the event. Mercury is the lord of 7 posited in Sun star in4. But Sun is in Venus star in 5. Mercury is in Venus star in 5. Venus is in Moon star (in 4. but signfies 7 through Rahu).

The DBAS as per my sw on 9/Feb/2005 is Jup-Sat-Sat-Venusthe day was Mercury day.Transit : Sign-star-subMoon -Sat -Mars (Mars in Mer star in 5)-Sat Jupiter-Mercury-Mars-RahuSat- Mercury-Jupiter-venus

Venus-Sat-Moon-JupiterRegardsAdithwww.thebestastro.com

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 11:30 PM, S.Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:

Dear allI seek comments from all members particularly elder KP lovers regarding a chart for which I could not find any clue regarding the marriage time.DOB 04-05-196210:58 PMHowrahMale

His marriage was on 09-02-2005 during Jup-Sat-sat-KetJupiter is a strong significator for marriage, no doubt about it.But why Saturn? Saturn is so strong that it triggered the event in its own antara.Regards

Suprakash

August 4, 2009

Dear Suprakash ji,

In my opinion, we should try to find the answer of " why not Rahu " first before " why Saturn " , as Rahu is strong significator of 7th.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Dear Adith ji & Friends,

I have few thoughts that I would like to share -

1. This is not the first time we are hearing that four-fold significators are not giving the results as expected. Dhanabalan ji has produced 10 examples in the past and we had couple of other discussions. It seems clear that the " most powerful significators " do not " always " give result in their dasa period. In my opinion, there are some exceptions that needs to be discovered. We will move to that step only when we accept that the present rules are not sufficient (at least in 100% cases).

2. In my opinion, any rule make sense only if we can predict in advance using that rule (and not the post mortem). For example, with whatever new theory (e.g Rahu gives result of other planets etc.) we are talking, could we predict the marriage time in advance. If the answer is yes, we need to do further research on the theory and improve the rule.

3. Moon representing Rahu is not a KP theory. In fact, it is contrary to Shri KSK's teaching. Though it doesn't stop us from using the theory, if we can show some evidence of it working.

4. Another reason why we can say that Rahu is not a significator for marriage is that the native didn't get married in Rahu mahadasa. Rahu in 7th aspected by Saturn significator of 2nd should have given marriage. This should also be a question that why marriage didn't happen during Rahu maha dasa?

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:59 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote:

Dear Suprakash ji,First of all I like to convey that I am not an elder Kp lover! (39 yrs). Hope I am still young!!!My analysis is follows:Rahu is posited in Moon sign and in 7th house.Hence if any planet is in Moon star, Rahu representing Moon will play role also. ( as I ever say nodes are " Multi faced Weapons " )

Hence the planets in Rahu star and also Moon star is capable of favoring marriage. The planets who in the sub of planets who are in the star of Rahu or Moon also capable of giving marriage. (But the panets should not negate strongly .)

As said Guru in the star of Rahu is a strong significator of Marriage.Saturn has the following significations:Saturn signifies 2 as lordship (though it is occupied by Jupiter, Saturn is in its own sign). But as no planet in its star, it also signifies secondarily the 2nd.

Moreover it is in the star of Moon (represented by Rahu posited in its sign). It is in the sub of Mercury (feebly signifies 7 as lordship) posited in 5. But Mercury is in Sun star signfies 4,8 and also 5 through its star lord Venus. This 5 is also favorable for marriage.

Saturn is also aspected by Rahu from 7 also.The other strong planet in Moon star is Venus who signifies 5, and also 2,7 though its sublord Jupiter.Mercury is in the sub of Venus who is in the star of Moon. Hence Mercury is also capable of favoring marraige provided they do not negate the event. Mercury is the lord of 7 posited in Sun star in4. But Sun is in Venus star in 5. Mercury is in Venus star in 5. Venus is in Moon star (in 4. but signfies 7 through Rahu).

The DBAS as per my sw on 9/Feb/2005 is Jup-Sat-Sat-Venusthe day was Mercury day.Transit : Sign-star-subMoon -Sat -Mars (Mars in Mer star in 5)-Sat Jupiter-Mercury-Mars-RahuSat- Mercury-Jupiter-venus

Venus-Sat-Moon-JupiterRegardsAdithwww.thebestastro.com

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 11:30 PM, S.Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:

Dear allI seek comments from all members particularly elder KP lovers regarding a chart for which I could not find any clue regarding the marriage time.DOB 04-05-196210:58 PMHowrahMale

His marriage was on 09-02-2005 during Jup-Sat-sat-KetJupiter is a strong significator for marriage, no doubt about it.But why Saturn? Saturn is so strong that it triggered the event in its own antara.Regards

Suprakash

August 4, 2009

Dear Punit ji,Thanks for your explanations.Postmortem is one of the best tool for learning. If we predict something which does not happen, only postmortem will throw some light! Our Guruji itself the importance of PM.

Secondarily, it is not just a single point which will bring the results as you know very well.As Jupiter is in the star of Rahu who is in 7 . hence Jupiter gives the result of 7. Moreover Jupiter has no planet it star . Hence it is a strong signficator of 2, 7and 12. further it is in the sub of Mercury (who has planets in its star hence feebly signifies 6) who is in the star of Sun in 4.

These 2,7,5 favors the marriage and 12,4,6 causes the trouble in the marital life.But Rahu though posited in 7, it is in the star of Mercury (signficator of 6 strongly). and mercury is in Sun star in 4. Rahu is in the sub of Venus who is in the star of Moon in 4.

out of these the 6th signfications would have been the cause for the delay or obstacles. Further Venus the sblord is the syblord for both 6 and 7th cusps.hence out of Rahu and Jupiter, Jupiter is the most favorable planet.

When a planet is signfying both the signfications, it does both the roles. As you rightly said even the weaker signficator will play role in certain time. Mercury is played role in the Marriage (in Transit), though Mercury is not a strong signficator of 7,5, but feebly signfies 7 (as owner) and 5 (through Venus) and aspect 11th house.

But same Mercury will cause some trouble in the understanding as it is also a feeble signficator of 6 and also 4. Also it is in the sub of venus the sublord of 6 and 7th cusps. Hence Mercury period may not be of so good for thier relations.

That too in the Mercury Bukthi-Mars and Rahu andra (2/8/2008 to 21/1/2009), there could have been a strong misunderstaning or seperation. Noted that they are now seperated. But we dont know from when.Nothing is easy as per the rules. And no rule is always as per the defined one. Some charts are very easy as given in the examples in the KP books. Some will be very difficult practically. All need a lot of experiments and Postmortme study.

The above are my humble opinion.Thanks and RegardsAdithwww.thebestastro.com

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Dear Adith ji & Friends,

I have few thoughts that I would like to share -

1. This is not the first time we are hearing that four-fold significators are not giving the results as expected. Dhanabalan ji has produced 10 examples in the past and we had couple of other discussions. It seems clear that the " most powerful significators " do not " always " give result in their dasa period. In my opinion, there are some exceptions that needs to be discovered. We will move to that step only when we accept that the present rules are not sufficient (at least in 100% cases).

2. In my opinion, any rule make sense only if we can predict in advance using that rule (and not the post mortem). For example, with whatever new theory (e.g Rahu gives result of other planets etc.) we are talking, could we predict the marriage time in advance. If the answer is yes, we need to do further research on the theory and improve the rule.

3. Moon representing Rahu is not a KP theory. In fact, it is contrary to Shri KSK's teaching. Though it doesn't stop us from using the theory, if we can show some evidence of it working.

4. Another reason why we can say that Rahu is not a significator for marriage is that the native didn't get married in Rahu mahadasa. Rahu in 7th aspected by Saturn significator of 2nd should have given marriage. This should also be a question that why marriage didn't happen during Rahu maha dasa?

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:59 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote:

Dear Suprakash ji,First of all I like to convey that I am not an elder Kp lover! (39 yrs). Hope I am still young!!!My analysis is follows:Rahu is posited in Moon sign and in 7th house.Hence if any planet is in Moon star, Rahu representing Moon will play role also. ( as I ever say nodes are " Multi faced Weapons " )

Hence the planets in Rahu star and also Moon star is capable of favoring marriage. The planets who in the sub of planets who are in the star of Rahu or Moon also capable of giving marriage. (But the panets should not negate strongly .)

As said Guru in the star of Rahu is a strong significator of Marriage.Saturn has the following significations:Saturn signifies 2 as lordship (though it is occupied by Jupiter, Saturn is in its own sign). But as no planet in its star, it also signifies secondarily the 2nd.

Moreover it is in the star of Moon (represented by Rahu posited in its sign). It is in the sub of Mercury (feebly signifies 7 as lordship) posited in 5. But Mercury is in Sun star signfies 4,8 and also 5 through its star lord Venus. This 5 is also favorable for marriage.

Saturn is also aspected by Rahu from 7 also.The other strong planet in Moon star is Venus who signifies 5, and also 2,7 though its sublord Jupiter.Mercury is in the sub of Venus who is in the star of Moon. Hence Mercury is also capable of favoring marraige provided they do not negate the event. Mercury is the lord of 7 posited in Sun star in4. But Sun is in Venus star in 5. Mercury is in Venus star in 5. Venus is in Moon star (in 4. but signfies 7 through Rahu).

The DBAS as per my sw on 9/Feb/2005 is Jup-Sat-Sat-Venusthe day was Mercury day.Transit : Sign-star-subMoon -Sat -Mars (Mars in Mer star in 5)-Sat Jupiter-Mercury-Mars-RahuSat- Mercury-Jupiter-venus

Venus-Sat-Moon-JupiterRegardsAdithwww.thebestastro.com

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 11:30 PM, S.Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:

Dear allI seek comments from all members particularly elder KP lovers regarding a chart for which I could not find any clue regarding the marriage time.DOB 04-05-196210:58 PMHowrahMale

His marriage was on 09-02-2005 during Jup-Sat-sat-KetJupiter is a strong significator for marriage, no doubt about it.But why Saturn? Saturn is so strong that it triggered the event in its own antara.

Regards

Suprakash

August 5, 2009

Dear Punit,

We do remember the statement that â€œThe failures are the secretes of the successâ€. From the mistakes we learn the thing and correct it. The experience is nothing but the lessons learned from the past. It may be learned from the personâ€™s own past events or from others past events. Even our Guru KSK had many failures during his beginning of the research work time and he went into that and corrected it. This was told to me by Late Mr.Balasundram (son-in-law of Prof. KSK).

In one of the meeting held at my previous company our Ex- president Dr.Abdual kalam told that while just before launching the rocket (1 hour countdown, â€¦10sec countdown) he noticed that the computer system was showing some wrong results and giving warning for not to launch the rocket. But all of his scientists were able to check manually and found ok. Mr. Kalam has to decide within last 10second either to launch or abort it. He decided to launch the rocket, but it went into the sea after few minutes. From the mistakes they learned and corrected it. Again they have launched the rocket after doing the correction then it went into the space without failure.

The rules are formed only after many failure and corrections only. So the postmortem on failure case/charts gives lesson or new findings/rules.

This is my personal opinion.

GOOD LUCK!!

Regards,

D.Senthil--- On Tue, 8/4/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinathRe: One riddle I could't solve Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 3:38 AM

Dear Punit ji,Thanks for your explanations.Postmortem is one of the best tool for learning. If we predict something which does not happen, only postmortem will throw some light! Our Guruji itself the importance of PM.Secondarily, it is not just a single point which will bring the results as you know very well.As Jupiter is in the star of Rahu who is in 7 . hence Jupiter gives the result of 7. Moreover Jupiter has no planet it star . Hence it is a strong signficator of 2, 7and 12. further it is in the sub of Mercury (who has planets in its star hence feebly signifies 6) who is in the star of Sun in 4.These 2,7,5 favors the marriage and 12,4,6 causes the trouble in the marital life.But Rahu though posited in 7, it is in the star of Mercury (signficator of 6 strongly). and mercury is in Sun star in 4. Rahu is in the sub of Venus who is in the star of Moon in 4.out of these the 6th

signfications would have been the cause for the delay or obstacles. Further Venus the sblord is the syblord for both 6 and 7th cusps.hence out of Rahu and Jupiter, Jupiter is the most favorable planet.When a planet is signfying both the signfications, it does both the roles. As you rightly said even the weaker signficator will play role in certain time. Mercury is played role in the Marriage (in Transit), though Mercury is not a strong signficator of 7,5, but feebly signfies 7 (as owner) and 5 (through Venus) and aspect 11th house. But same Mercury will cause some trouble in the understanding as it is also a feeble signficator of 6 and also 4. Also it is in the sub of venus the sublord of 6 and 7th cusps. Hence Mercury period may not be of so good for thier relations.That too in the Mercury Bukthi-Mars and Rahu andra (2/8/2008 to 21/1/2009), there could have been a strong misunderstaning or seperation. Noted that

they are now seperated. But we dont know from when.Nothing is easy as per the rules. And no rule is always as per the defined one. Some charts are very easy as given in the examples in the KP books. Some will be very difficult practically. All need a lot of experiments and Postmortme study. The above are my humble opinion.Thanks and RegardsAdithwww.thebestastro. com On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Adith ji & Friends,

I have few thoughts that I would like to share -

1. This is not the first time we are hearing that four-fold significators are not giving the results as expected. Dhanabalan ji has produced 10 examples in the past and we had couple of other discussions. It seems clear that the "most powerful significators" do not "always" give result in their dasa period. In my opinion, there are some exceptions that needs to be discovered. We will move to that step only when we accept that the present rules are not sufficient (at least in 100% cases).

2. In my opinion, any rule make sense only if we can predict in advance using that rule (and not the post mortem). For example, with whatever new theory (e.g Rahu gives result of other planets etc.) we are talking, could we predict the marriage time in advance. If the answer is yes, we need to do further research on the theory and improve the rule.

3. Moon representing Rahu is not a KP theory. In fact, it is contrary to Shri KSK's teaching. Though it doesn't stop us from using the theory, if we can show some evidence of it working.

4. Another reason why we can say that Rahu is not a significator for marriage is that the native didn't get married in Rahu mahadasa. Rahu in 7th aspected by Saturn significator of 2nd should have given marriage. This should also be a question that why marriage didn't happen during Rahu maha dasa?

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:59 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Suprakash ji,First of all I like to convey that I am not an elder Kp lover! (39 yrs). Hope I am still young!!!My analysis is follows:Rahu is posited in Moon sign and in 7th house.Hence if any planet is in Moon star, Rahu representing Moon will play role also. ( as I ever say nodes are "Multi faced Weapons")Hence the planets in Rahu star and also Moon star is capable of favoring marriage. The planets who in the sub of planets who are in the star of Rahu or Moon also capable of giving marriage. (But the panets should not negate strongly .)As said Guru in the star of Rahu is a strong significator of Marriage.Saturn has the following significations:Saturn signifies 2 as lordship (though it is occupied by Jupiter, Saturn is in its own sign). But as no planet in its star, it also signifies secondarily the 2nd.Moreover it is in the star of Moon (represented by Rahu posited in

its sign). It is in the sub of Mercury (feebly signifies 7 as lordship) posited in 5. But Mercury is in Sun star signfies 4,8 and also 5 through its star lord Venus. This 5 is also favorable for marriage.Saturn is also aspected by Rahu from 7 also.The other strong planet in Moon star is Venus who signifies 5, and also 2,7 though its sublord Jupiter.Mercury is in the sub of Venus who is in the star of Moon. Hence Mercury is also capable of favoring marraige provided they do not negate the event. Mercury is the lord of 7 posited in Sun star in4. But Sun is in Venus star in 5. Mercury is in Venus star in 5. Venus is in Moon star (in 4. but signfies 7 through Rahu). The DBAS as per my sw on 9/Feb/2005 is Jup-Sat-Sat- Venusthe day was Mercury day.Transit : Sign-star-subMoon -Sat -Mars (Mars in Mer star in 5)-Sat Jupiter-Mercury- Mars-RahuSat- Mercury-Jupiter-

venusVenus-Sat-Moon- JupiterRegardsAdithwww.thebestastro. com

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 11:30 PM, S.Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in> wrote:

Dear allI seek comments from all members particularly elder KP lovers regarding a chart for which I could not find any clue regarding the marriage time.DOB 04-05-196210:58 PMHowrahMaleHis marriage was on 09-02-2005 during Jup-Sat-sat- KetJupiter is a strong significator for marriage, no doubt about it.But why Saturn? Saturn is so strong that it triggered the event in its own antara.RegardsSuprakash

August 5, 2009

Dear Friends,

1. It seems no problem in justification of marriage in this chart.

a. M,04-05-1962,10:58PM,Howrah,22N35,88E18,KPNA 23:14:28, Asc Sg 27:53:44, Su

Dasa bal 5Y:5M:9D,KPAstro 3.1

b. 7CSL Ve(5,5-10) conj Me(5,6-7-9); in star MO(4); in sub Ju(2,1-3-12), is

connectected with 2 & 7, and so indicates promise of marriage.

c. Dasa lord Ju(2,1-3-12); in star of Ra(7), aspected by Sa(1,2), stl

Me(5,6-7-9), sgl Mo(4); in sub Me(5,6-7-9), signifies 2 & 7 and hence is capable

of marrige.

d. Bhukti & Antra lord Sa(1,2); in star Mo(4); in sub Me(5,6-7-9), is connected

with 2 & 7 and qualified to give marriage.

e. Sookshma lord Ve is also conducive to marraige as discussed above.

2. In KP it doesn't need for 2,7,11 to be signified in each level of DBAS but a

must in D.

Regards,

tw

, " adith kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath

wrote:

>

> Dear Punit ji,

>

> Thanks for your explanations.

>

> Postmortem is one of the best tool for learning. If we predict something

> which does not happen, only postmortem will throw some light! Our Guruji

> itself the importance of PM.

>

> Secondarily, it is not just a single point which will bring the results as

> you know very well.

>

> As Jupiter is in the star of Rahu who is in 7 . hence Jupiter gives the

> result of 7. Moreover Jupiter has no planet it star . Hence it is a strong

> signficator of 2, 7and 12. further it is in the sub of Mercury (who has

> planets in its star hence feebly signifies 6) who is in the star of Sun in

> 4.

> These 2,7,5 favors the marriage and 12,4,6 causes the trouble in the marital

> life.

>

> But Rahu though posited in 7, it is in the star of Mercury (signficator of 6

> strongly). and mercury is in Sun star in 4. Rahu is in the sub of Venus who

> is in the star of Moon in 4.

>

> out of these the 6th signfications would have been the cause for the delay

> or obstacles. Further Venus the sblord is the syblord for both 6 and 7th

> cusps.

>

> hence out of Rahu and Jupiter, Jupiter is the most favorable planet.

> When a planet is signfying both the signfications, it does both the roles.

> As you rightly said even the weaker signficator will play role in certain

> time.

>

> Mercury is played role in the Marriage (in Transit), though Mercury is not a

> strong signficator of 7,5, but feebly signfies 7 (as owner) and 5 (through

> Venus) and aspect 11th house.

>

> But same Mercury will cause some trouble in the understanding as it is also

> a feeble signficator of 6 and also 4. Also it is in the sub of venus the

> sublord of 6 and 7th cusps. Hence Mercury period may not be of so good for

> thier relations.

>

> That too in the Mercury Bukthi-Mars and Rahu andra (2/8/2008 to 21/1/2009),

> there could have been a strong misunderstaning or seperation. Noted that

> they are now seperated. But we dont know from when.

>

> Nothing is easy as per the rules. And no rule is always as per the defined

> one. Some charts are very easy as given in the examples in the KP books.

> Some will be very difficult practically. All need a lot of experiments and

> Postmortme study.

> The above are my humble opinion.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Adith

>

> www.thebestastro.com

>

> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Adith ji & Friends,

> >

> > I have few thoughts that I would like to share -

> >

> > 1. This is not the first time we are hearing that four-fold significators

> > are not giving the results as expected. Dhanabalan ji has produced 10

> > examples in the past and we had couple of other discussions. It seems clear

> > that the " most powerful significators " do not " always " give result in their

> > dasa period. In my opinion, there are some exceptions that needs to be

> > discovered. We will move to that step only when we accept that the present

> > rules are not sufficient (at least in 100% cases).

> >

> > 2. In my opinion, any rule make sense only if we can predict in advance

> > using that rule (and not the post mortem). For example, with whatever

> > new theory (e.g Rahu gives result of other planets etc.) we are talking,

> > could we predict the marriage time in advance. If the answer is yes, we need

> > to do further research on the theory and improve the rule.

> >

> > 3. Moon representing Rahu is not a KP theory. In fact, it is contrary to

> > Shri KSK's teaching. Though it doesn't stop us from using the theory, if we

> > can show some evidence of it working.

> >

> > 4. Another reason why we can say that Rahu is not a significator for

> > marriage is that the native didn't get married in Rahu mahadasa. Rahu in 7th

> > aspected by Saturn significator of 2nd should have given marriage. This

> > should also be a question that why marriage didn't happen during Rahu maha

> > dasa?

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> > On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:59 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > gkadithkasinath wrote:

> >

> >>

> >> Dear Suprakash ji,

> >>

> >> First of all I like to convey that I am not an elder Kp lover! (39 yrs).

> >> Hope I am still young!!!

> >>

> >> My analysis is follows:

> >>

> >> Rahu is posited in Moon sign and in 7th house.

> >>

> >> Hence if any planet is in Moon star, Rahu representing Moon will play role

> >> also. ( as I ever say nodes are " Multi faced Weapons " )

> >>

> >> Hence the planets in Rahu star and also Moon star is capable of favoring

> >> marriage. The planets who in the sub of planets who are in the star of Rahu

> >> or Moon also capable of giving marriage. (But the panets should not negate

> >> strongly .)

> >>

> >> As said Guru in the star of Rahu is a strong significator of Marriage.

> >> *Saturn has the following significations:*

> >>

> >> Saturn signifies 2 as lordship (though it is occupied by Jupiter, Saturn

> >> is in its own sign). But as no planet in its star, it also signifies

> >> secondarily the 2nd.

> >>

> >> Moreover it is in the star of Moon (represented by Rahu posited in its

> >> sign). It is in the sub of Mercury (feebly signifies 7 as lordship) posited

> >> in 5. But Mercury is in Sun star signfies 4,8 and also 5 through its star

> >> lord Venus. This 5 is also favorable for marriage.

> >>

> >> Saturn is also aspected by Rahu from 7 also.

> >>

> >> The other strong planet in Moon star is *Venus* who signifies 5, and also

> >> 2,7 though its sublord Jupiter.

> >>

> >> *Mercury* is in the sub of Venus who is in the star of Moon. Hence

> >> Mercury is also capable of favoring marraige provided they do not negate

the

> >> event. Mercury is the lord of 7 posited in Sun star in4. But Sun is in

Venus

> >> star in 5. Mercury is in Venus star in 5. Venus is in Moon star (in 4. but

> >> signfies 7 through Rahu).

> >>

> >> The DBAS as per my sw on 9/Feb/2005 is

> >> *Jup-Sat-Sat-Venus*

> >>

> >> the day was Mercury day.

> >> Transit : Sign-star-sub

> >> Moon -Sat -Mars (Mars in Mer star in 5)-Sat

> >> Jupiter-Mercury-Mars-Rahu

> >> Sat- Mercury-Jupiter-venus

> >> Venus-Sat-Moon-Jupiter

> >>

> >> Regards

> >> Adith

> >> www.thebestastro.com

> >>

> >> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 11:30 PM, S.Ghosh <suprakash.ghoshwrote:

> >>

> >>>

> >>> Dear all

> >>>

> >>> I seek comments from all members particularly elder KP lovers regarding a

> >>> chart for which I could not find any clue regarding the marriage time.

> >>>

> >>> DOB 04-05-1962

> >>> 10:58 PM

> >>> Howrah

> >>> Male

> >>>

> >>> His marriage was on 09-02-2005 during Jup-Sat-sat-Ket

> >>>

> >>> Jupiter is a strong significator for marriage, no doubt about it.

> >>> But why Saturn? Saturn is so strong that it triggered the event in its

> >>> own antara.

> >>>

> >>> Regards

> >>>

> >>> Suprakash

> >>>

> >>

> >

>

August 5, 2009

Dear Adith ji, Senthil ji and Friends,

I am not against the post-mortem. I understand that post-mortem is a very important learning tool. What I said is " any rule make sense only if we can predict in advance using that rule (and not the post mortem). " In other words, justification will always remain easy for an astrologer, but a rule can be called a " rule " if it gives us predictive capabilities. If it just helps in " post-mortem " , it should not be called an astrological rule. Are we in agreement?

I also agree to your saying that " The failures are the secretes of the success. " But where is a failure? Nobody seems accepting the failure and we started justifying with whatever possible way. I feel that till the time we learn accepting failure, we can not further our learning. We can " correct " only when we accept that we failed. Do you feel that we have accepted our failure and not just justifying?

Do you feel that I am making any sense OR just being critical? I you will feel that I am overly critical, I'll avoid writing on this topic in future.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Senthil <athi_ram wrote:

Dear Punit, We do remember the statement that “The failures are the secretes of the success”. From the mistakes we learn the thing and correct it. The experience is nothing but the lessons learned from the past. It may be learned from the person’s own past events or from others past events. Even our Guru KSK had many failures during his beginning of the research work time and he went into that and corrected it. This was told to me by Late Mr.Balasundram (son-in-law of Prof. KSK). In one of the meeting held at my previous company our Ex- president Dr.Abdual kalam told that while just before launching the rocket (1 hour countdown, …10sec countdown) he noticed that the computer system was showing some wrong results and giving warning for not to launch the rocket. But all of his scientists were able to check manually and found ok. Mr. Kalam has to decide within last 10second either to launch or abort it. He decided to launch the rocket, but it went into the sea after few minutes. From the mistakes they learned and corrected it. Again they have launched the rocket after doing the correction then it went into the space without failure. The rules are formed only after many failure and corrections only. So the postmortem on failure case/charts gives lesson or new findings/rules. This is my personal opinion. GOOD LUCK!! Regards, D.Senthil--- On Tue, 8/4/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath Re: One riddle I could't solve

Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 3:38 AM

Dear Punit ji,Thanks for your explanations.Postmortem is one of the best tool for learning. If we predict something which does not happen, only postmortem will throw some light! Our Guruji itself the importance of PM.

Secondarily, it is not just a single point which will bring the results as you know very well.As Jupiter is in the star of Rahu who is in 7 . hence Jupiter gives the result of 7. Moreover Jupiter has no planet it star . Hence it is a strong signficator of 2, 7and 12. further it is in the sub of Mercury (who has planets in its star hence feebly signifies 6) who is in the star of Sun in 4.

These 2,7,5 favors the marriage and 12,4,6 causes the trouble in the marital life.But Rahu though posited in 7, it is in the star of Mercury (signficator of 6 strongly). and mercury is in Sun star in 4. Rahu is in the sub of Venus who is in the star of Moon in 4.

out of these the 6th signfications would have been the cause for the delay or obstacles. Further Venus the sblord is the syblord for both 6 and 7th cusps.hence out of Rahu and Jupiter, Jupiter is the most favorable planet.

When a planet is signfying both the signfications, it does both the roles. As you rightly said even the weaker signficator will play role in certain time. Mercury is played role in the Marriage (in Transit), though Mercury is not a strong signficator of 7,5, but feebly signfies 7 (as owner) and 5 (through Venus) and aspect 11th house.

But same Mercury will cause some trouble in the understanding as it is also a feeble signficator of 6 and also 4. Also it is in the sub of venus the sublord of 6 and 7th cusps. Hence Mercury period may not be of so good for thier relations.

That too in the Mercury Bukthi-Mars and Rahu andra (2/8/2008 to 21/1/2009), there could have been a strong misunderstaning or seperation. Noted that they are now seperated. But we dont know from when.Nothing is easy as per the rules. And no rule is always as per the defined one. Some charts are very easy as given in the examples in the KP books. Some will be very difficult practically. All need a lot of experiments and Postmortme study.

The above are my humble opinion.Thanks and RegardsAdithwww.thebestastro. com On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Adith ji & Friends,

I have few thoughts that I would like to share -

1. This is not the first time we are hearing that four-fold significators are not giving the results as expected. Dhanabalan ji has produced 10 examples in the past and we had couple of other discussions. It seems clear that the " most powerful significators " do not " always " give result in their dasa period. In my opinion, there are some exceptions that needs to be discovered. We will move to that step only when we accept that the present rules are not sufficient (at least in 100% cases).

2. In my opinion, any rule make sense only if we can predict in advance using that rule (and not the post mortem). For example, with whatever new theory (e.g Rahu gives result of other planets etc.) we are talking, could we predict the marriage time in advance. If the answer is yes, we need to do further research on the theory and improve the rule.

3. Moon representing Rahu is not a KP theory. In fact, it is contrary to Shri KSK's teaching. Though it doesn't stop us from using the theory, if we can show some evidence of it working.

4. Another reason why we can say that Rahu is not a significator for marriage is that the native didn't get married in Rahu mahadasa. Rahu in 7th aspected by Saturn significator of 2nd should have given marriage. This should also be a question that why marriage didn't happen during Rahu maha dasa?

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:59 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Suprakash ji,First of all I like to convey that I am not an elder Kp lover! (39 yrs). Hope I am still young!!!My analysis is follows:Rahu is posited in Moon sign and in 7th house.

Hence if any planet is in Moon star, Rahu representing Moon will play role also. ( as I ever say nodes are " Multi faced Weapons " )Hence the planets in Rahu star and also Moon star is capable of favoring marriage. The planets who in the sub of planets who are in the star of Rahu or Moon also capable of giving marriage. (But the panets should not negate strongly .)

As said Guru in the star of Rahu is a strong significator of Marriage.Saturn has the following significations:Saturn signifies 2 as lordship (though it is occupied by Jupiter, Saturn is in its own sign). But as no planet in its star, it also signifies secondarily the 2nd.

Moreover it is in the star of Moon (represented by Rahu posited in its sign). It is in the sub of Mercury (feebly signifies 7 as lordship) posited in 5. But Mercury is in Sun star signfies 4,8 and also 5 through its star lord Venus. This 5 is also favorable for marriage.

Saturn is also aspected by Rahu from 7 also.The other strong planet in Moon star is Venus who signifies 5, and also 2,7 though its sublord Jupiter.Mercury is in the sub of Venus who is in the star of Moon. Hence Mercury is also capable of favoring marraige provided they do not negate the event. Mercury is the lord of 7 posited in Sun star in4. But Sun is in Venus star in 5. Mercury is in Venus star in 5. Venus is in Moon star (in 4. but signfies 7 through Rahu).

The DBAS as per my sw on 9/Feb/2005 is Jup-Sat-Sat- Venusthe day was Mercury day.Transit : Sign-star-subMoon -Sat -Mars (Mars in Mer star in 5)-Sat Jupiter-Mercury- Mars-RahuSat- Mercury-Jupiter- venus

Venus-Sat-Moon- JupiterRegardsAdithwww.thebestastro. com

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 11:30 PM, S.Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in> wrote:

Dear allI seek comments from all members particularly elder KP lovers regarding a chart for which I could not find any clue regarding the marriage time.DOB 04-05-196210:58 PMHowrahMale

His marriage was on 09-02-2005 during Jup-Sat-sat- KetJupiter is a strong significator for marriage, no doubt about it.But why Saturn? Saturn is so strong that it triggered the event in its own antara.

RegardsSuprakash

August 5, 2009

Dear Punit ji,We can not say that all are not accepting their mistakes. May be they can not express openly but internally they know.In KP, nothing we can say Rule. and no cent percent matching of rules are needed for an event. A lot of exceptions rather we can say , no direct signfications as per rule but indirect signfications which we have to look into and can not say KP is not correct in all the cases.

By practical experinces (which includes predictions and postmortem), we can gain more knowledge.You are always welcome to give your opinion.As you said, justification by an astrologer for a known event is easier.

But at the same time, clarifcation for a question which will definetely raised during justification should also be addressed and answered practically and astrologically by the Astrologer. Then only I hope it will be good and meaningful.

With RegardsAdithAfter the demise of our Guruji , whatever findings are found or followed are not KP rules.On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: