Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Dear Sonali ji, Okay I did some contemplation and now understood what has been asked of me, though I should have understood that much before, but we are so busy to read, and want to reply fast without thinking aloud.....what has been read. BUT WHETHER IN SUCH CASE SUB SUB LORD WILL BECOME THE EFFECTIVE SUB LORD AS SUB LORD HAS BECOME THE STR LORD Yes the SubSub Lord will become more effective as SubLord has become the Star Lord. OR THE PLANET WHICH HAS BECOME THE EFFECTIVE STR LORD WILL ALSO REMAIN THE SUB LORD.THUS ONE PLKANET WILL ACT AS BOTH EFFECTIVE STR LORD AS WELL AS SUB LORD?? No, it will not remain so. It will just remain the StarLord. As mentioned in my previous mail, I believe in above rules for it applies in my chart, but for those who wish to ascertain same, may do so on other such cases before making a judgement about same. It is their prerogative. regards/Bhaskar. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Sonaliji,> > Your mail has put me in a fix. I cannot honestly reply you correctly of> what has been asked of me.> > WHEN A PLANE IS IN ITS OWN STAR, ITS SUB LORD WILL BECOME ITS EFFECTIVE> STR LORD.> > Yes that is what I have been taught by My Guru. perhaps others may have> learnt otherwise. What is correct for each to percieve on his own.> > BUT WHETHER IN SUCH CASE SUB SUB LORD WILL BECOME THE EFFECTIVE SUB LORD> AS SUB LORD HAS BECOME THE STR LORD> > I am not able to understand what you are mentioning. And even if I> understand I may not be able to answer this convincingly.> > OR THE PLANET WHICH HAS BECOME THE EFFECTIVE STR LORD WILL ALSO REMAIN> THE SUB LORD.THUS ONE PLKANET WILL ACT AS BOTH EFFECTIVE STR LORD AS> WELL AS SUB LORD??> > What example I had give was my own chart. Here the SubLord was the same> as the planet. Hence the SubSubLord was taken to represent the actual> results.> > The example of my Birth Chart is a unique one and not to be seen daily,> so I advise the astrologers not to go toomuch in the subsubLord business> unless they find unique combinations as mentioned in my chart.> > There are many rules which have yet to be tested on many Horoscopes of> the same type, to be actually considered in reality as a "Rule". Till> the time this happens, what is working and good for me, I would consider> it as a rule for me, though cannot declare this as so, in absence of> having tested this on at least 50 Horoscopes of same category.> > The KP astrologers if they are able to predict correctly even with the> SubLords, it will be a great feat for them. I think going further than> that is not the ball game of novices and must be restricted to only> experts who have already proved themselves to their ownselves of being> able to predict correctly with SubLords. They must previous to this> learn to rectify the SubLords otherwise no meaning in talking of> SubLords and what happens or the application part. Most of the times the> Natal Charts of natives come up for study and in those cases, it is the> duty of the astrologer to check whether the subLord is right. If they> can do that, and predict correctly, they have reached the peak of the> Himalayas. If they cant do that they have no business to talk about> SubSublords.> > Hence my advise to all, is to first learn to rectify the Sublord and> then predict from the same in Natal Charts, though in Horary Charts this> rectification business can be dispensed with, as they would be perfect.> Forget about SubSubLords. there is no limit to this. This is not> everyones cup of tea. I believe only a few seniors here are eligible to> judge the results of the same, like Shri YogeshRao Lajmi ji, Shri> Tinwinji, Shri Sunil Gondhlekar ji, Shri Lutherji ,and many more etc.> and among the new junior lot of astrologers like Shri Punit Pandeyji,> Adithji, Ajoy ji etc. (Sorry I am not regular on this Forum so forgive> me for the names I have not mentioned here).> > regards and best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > , SONALI sonali.me.2009@ wrote:> >> > DEAR BHASKARJI,> >> >> >> > WHEN A PLANE IS IN ITS OWN STAR, ITS SUB LORD WILL BECOME ITS> EFFECTIVE STR> > LORD.> >> >> >> > BUT WHETHER IN SUCH CASE SUB SUB LORD WILL BECOME THE EFFECTIVE SUB> LORD AS> > SUB LORD HAS BECOME THE STR LORD> >> >> >> > OR THE PLANET WHICH HAS BECOME THE EFFECTIVE STR LORD WILL ALSO REMAIN> THE> > SUB LORD.THUS ONE PLKANET WILL ACT AS BOTH EFFECTIVE STR LORD AS WELL> AS SUB> > LORD??> >> >> >> > PLZ CLARIFY.> >> >> >> > Thanks & Regards,> >> >> >> >> >> > Sonali> >> >> >> > > On> > Behalf Of Bhaskar> > Saturday, August 08, 2009 8:57 PM> > > > Re: CLARIFY -EFFECTIVE STR LORD & SUB LORD> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Shri Sujatkaram ji,> >> > I was talking about the same rule Sir.> >> > regards,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> > > <%40> ,> > "sujatkaram" sujatkaram@ wrote:> > >> > > Respected Mr.Bhaskar,> > > Sir,> > > I am afraid I am a bit confused by reading your post.I am not able> to> > understand what exactly you want to say. The inability must be mine.> > > I have studied the well-written book by late Mr. Shahasane and the> > rule mentioned in the book, as I understood it, is as follows:-> > > "If a planet is in its own star, then it gives the result of its> > sub-lord; and if a planet is in its own star as well as in its own> > sub;then it logically follows that it will give the result of its> > sub-sub-lord."> > > Are you mentioning the same rule or a different one?> > > Please clarify.> > > regards,> > > sujatkaram. > > <%40> , "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Luther ji,> > > >> > > > I am still not sure what you mean by Bhukti. Does it mean> Antardasha> > or> > > > pratyantardasha in your parlance.> > > >> > > > I think there is some misunderstanding on your part. I have> nowhere> > > > mentioned that Rahu is beneficial just because it is in sub-sub of> > > > Mercury. The whole context must be ready to understand this. What> I> > > > mentioned was that- SinceRahu is in its own sub, then as per Shri> > > > Sahasneji , we must move to the SubSub and consider it as the> > StarLord> > > > and check the results thereof. Here Rahu becomes the first class> > > > significator for Mercury in this manner, and additionally there is> > no> > > > Planet in star of Mercury which emphasises this fact.> > > >> > > > Now on your take of why RahuRahu is more beneficial than Mercury .> > Let> > > > me clarify that Rahu-Rahu was more beneficial in certain> departments> > and> > > > Rahu-Mer was more beneficial in other departments. There is no> > > > definition of what is "beneficial" . For some it is money, and for> > > > others it is just fame because they already have money. And> > furthermore> > > > people if a dasha gives them both name and fame , then it is> > considered> > > > as beneficial. Let me tell you that uptil now, Rahu-Rahu the whole> > > > antardasha has been very much beneficial for me on all angles.> This> > is> > > > now coming to a close.> > > >> > > > Can you guide me what to expect in antardasha of Jupiter which is> > now> > > > expected to begin in September ? Do i foresee a heart attack,> > Surgery ?> > > > Loss in business ? Or pregnancy to my first born ? Or loss of my> > mother> > > > ? Or change of my residence ?> > > >> > > > Since you are quite an active member on this Group, I would value> > your> > > > comments and if they do not confirm to my own, would like to> discuss> > on> > > > the astrological pointers presented by Your goodself.> > > >> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > <%40>> > , Luther Rath <rathluther@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Sir, In one argues that Rahu is beneficial because it is in> > sub-sub of> > > > Mercury then the period ruled by Rahu and Mercury should have been> > the> > > > best. But according to you Rahu-Rahu was best. What do you think> > about> > > > it? What could be other influences on either Rahu or> Mercury?Please> > > > analyse and throw some light when time permits.> > > > > Dr. Rath> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ________________________________> > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > Thursday, August 6, 2009 8:08:58 PM> > > > > Re: CLARIFY -EFFECTIVE STR LORD & SUB LORD> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Rath ji,> > > > >> > > > > I feel that Rahu-Rahu Bhukti was the best one.> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@> ...>> > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji,> > > > > > Can you recollect your life events during Rahu dasa- Rahu> > Bhukti;> > > > Rahu> > > > > dasa-Mercury bhukti and Rahu dasa-kethu bhukti? And can you tell> > us> > > > > which period was best of the three?> > > > > > Dr. Rath> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Tuesday, August 4, 2009 1:36:23 AM> > > > > > Re: CLARIFY -EFFECTIVE STR LORD & SUB> LORD> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > Once I had gone to visit Shri Sahasneji with my own chart> before> > the> > > > > Rahu Mahadasha was to dawn in my Life. That was probably in> 2006.> > I> > > > > noticed that I had prepared my Chart from a Sofwtare which was> > very> > > > > famous, but had a doubt in the SubLord position calculated thus.> > On my> > > > > pointing this so, Mr.Sahashne took the trouble of taking out the> > > > > Ephemeris and manually calculated the Degrees and the SubSubLord> > too.> > > > > > Now the result -> > > > > > Rahu in my Chart in Lagna in Leo, at 6.41.32 degrees in star> of> > Ketu> > > > > and in Sub of Rahu itself. He was very happy to see the SubSub> > Lord as> > > > > Mercury. He mentioned that now you have hit the jackpot (Not> > exactly> > > > > those words). I said why ? He answered because the SubSubLord is> > > > > Mercury, and therefore rahu will give the results of Mercury,> > because> > > > > you have to move one step further whenever you find the same> > planet as> > > > > StarLord or SubLord. Apart from this, no planet in Mychart> tenants> > any> > > > > of the Stars of Mercury, so Rahu becomes the first class> > significator> > > > > for Mercury in my chart, who owns both the 2nd and the 11th> house> > in> > > > my> > > > > Chart. Well frankly I did not believe him much at that time> > because I> > > > > thought he was telling me this just to make me happy. (Later on> in> > > > > Lessons while Learning from him, he did point out to the> students> > that> > > > > whenever you find any planet in its own star, you must treat the> > > > > SubLord as the StarLord).> > > > > > When Rahu Mahadasha entered my Life on January 2007, things> > changed> > > > > for me dramatically. Most of my old debts were cleared up> > immediately> > > > on> > > > > dawn of Rahu Mahadasha. I was aired on the National Channel, I> got> > a> > > > > Contract from one of the Big companies for monthly assignments> for> > > > which> > > > > I was paid a respectable amount. All this happenned by itself> > without> > > > me> > > > > approaching anybody. My Life has changed much after the Rahu> > > > Mahadasha.> > > > > I am comfortable today monetary wise if not rich. I have enough> > work> > > > and> > > > > opportunities. The going is smooth with Lords Grace and Gurujis> > > > > blessings.> > > > > > For those interested my Birth details -> > > > > > 28th June 1961. 10.15am Eluru 16.45N 81.09E (Near Vijaywada).> > > > > > This principle is also mentioned partly in Chandrakant Bhatt's> > Book> > > > -> > > > > Nakshatra Chintamani.> > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > 1. This rule is discovered by Late Suresh Shahasane ji and> > comment> > > > > had been given before in the Message below.> > > > > > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16664> > > > > > > 2. In honour of Late Suresh Shahasane ji, some tributes by> his> > > > > disciples will be published in the KPE-zine August 2009, which> > will be> > > > > posted very soon.> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > tw> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > Such rule is not in the KP Readers and the Nodes rules are> > > > > specifically set in KP, not like mentioned here.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath> <rathluther@> > >> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Abhiji,> > > > > > > > > Can you please give reference of the rule you have> > mentioned.> > > > I> > > > > am not able to recollect where it is. I want to go through the> > > > example.> > > > > It makes lots of difference to me.> > > > > > > > > Regards.> > > > > > > > > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > CA ABHI <abhica2004@ >> > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > > > > Sunday, August 2, 2009 2:40:10 PM> > > > > > > > > CLARIFY -EFFECTIVE STR LORD & SUB> > LORD> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > HELLO ALL MEMBERS,> > > > > > > > > AS PER KP RULE-> > > > > > > > > WHEN A PLANET IS IN ITS OWN STR, THEN ITS SUB LORD WILL> BE> > > > > TREATED AS ITS WORKING STR LORD> > > > > > > > > FOR EXAMPLE:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > PLANET STR LORD SUB LORD SUB SUB LORD> > > > > > > > > Ke Ke JU SA> > > > > > > > > WHICH IS CORRECT :> > > > > > > > > A PLANET STR LORD SUB LORD SUB SUB LORD> > > > > > > > > Ke Ke/JU* JU SA> > > > > > > > > EVEN THOUGH,JU HAS BECOME THE EFFECTIVE STR LORD OF KE,> > > > > > > > > EFFECTIVE SUB LORD OF KE WILL REMAIN JU ITSELF> > > > > > > > > B PLANET STR LORD SUB LORD SUB SUB LORD> > > > > > > > > Ke Ke/JU* JU/SA SA> > > > > > > > > AS JU HAS BECOMES THE EFFECTIVE STR LORD,> > > > > > > > > EFFECTIVE SUB LORD OF KE WILL BE JU ITSELF OR> > > > > > > > > SA WILL BECOME THE EFFECTIVE SUB LORD OF KE> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > CA ABHISHEK SHRIVASTAV> > > > > > > > > MOB.NO.98272- 35856> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Dear Sonaliji and Bhaskarji, Bhaskarji, definitely I am not one among the stalwarts you have mentioned. I am still a junior student. But thank you for remembering me. Sonaliji, I am of the same thought as Sri. Bhaskarji does. We have to limit ourselves to the sub level of planets and cusps untill we achieve perfectness in that stage. We may miss in 15 to 20 % of cases.We may try an learn in those cases before we beging all cases in sub-sub level. The problem may be notices in natal horoscopes. Reason is we get record of birth time in Hrs. and Minutes; not in seconds. You may cast two horoscopes at a difference of just one minute and jot down the sub-sub lords. You will find you have crossed over 2 to gour sub-subs. So unless bbirt time is recorded accurate to seconds you cannot obtain the missed sub-subs. Hence dependence on sub-sub may be mileading in many cases. Hence in all cases we need to rectify birth time to reach to 'seconds' level. And we are not perfect yet for BTR. Experimentation is never objected or critisised. You may continue doing with that. But before that pplease try to understand what I say and test it yourself. With regards. Dr. Rath Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 10:46:35 PM Re: CLARIFY -EFFECTIVE STR LORD & SUB LORD Dear Sonaliji, Your mail has put me in a fix. I cannot honestly reply you correctly of what has been asked of me. WHEN A PLANE IS IN ITS OWN STAR, ITS SUB LORD WILL BECOME ITS EFFECTIVE STR LORD. Yes that is what I have been taught by My Guru. perhaps others may have learnt otherwise. What is correct for each to percieve on his own. BUT WHETHER IN SUCH CASE SUB SUB LORD WILL BECOME THE EFFECTIVE SUB LORD AS SUB LORD HAS BECOME THE STR LORD I am not able to understand what you are mentioning. And even if I understand I may not be able to answer this convincingly. OR THE PLANET WHICH HAS BECOME THE EFFECTIVE STR LORD WILL ALSO REMAIN THE SUB LORD.THUS ONE PLKANET WILL ACT AS BOTH EFFECTIVE STR LORD AS WELL AS SUB LORD?? What example I had give was my own chart. Here the SubLord was the same as the planet. Hence the SubSubLord was taken to represent the actual results. The example of my Birth Chart is a unique one and not to be seen daily, so I advise the astrologers not to go toomuch in the subsubLord business unless they find unique combinations as mentioned in my chart. There are many rules which have yet to be tested on many Horoscopes of the same type, to be actually considered in reality as a "Rule". Till the time this happens, what is working and good for me, I would consider it as a rule for me, though cannot declare this as so, in absence of having tested this on at least 50 Horoscopes of same category. The KP astrologers if they are able to predict correctly even with the SubLords, it will be a great feat for them. I think going further than that is not the ball game of novices and must be restricted to only experts who have already proved themselves to their ownselves of being able to predict correctly with SubLords. They must previous to this learn to rectify the SubLords otherwise no meaning in talking of SubLords and what happens or the application part. Most of the times the Natal Charts of natives come up for study and in those cases, it is the duty of the astrologer to check whether the subLord is right. If they can do that, and predict correctly, they have reached the peak of the Himalayas. If they cant do that they have no business to talk about SubSublords. Hence my advise to all, is to first learn to rectify the Sublord and then predict from the same in Natal Charts, though in Horary Charts this rectification business can be dispensed with, as they would be perfect. Forget about SubSubLords. there is no limit to this. This is not everyones cup of tea. I believe only a few seniors here are eligible to judge the results of the same, like Shri YogeshRao Lajmi ji, Shri Tinwinji, Shri Sunil Gondhlekar ji, Shri Lutherji ,and many more etc. and among the new junior lot of astrologers like Shri Punit Pandeyji, Adithji, Ajoy ji etc. (Sorry I am not regular on this Forum so forgive me for the names I have not mentioned here). regards and best wishes, Bhaskar. @gro ups.com, SONALI <sonali.me.2009@ ...> wrote:>> DEAR BHASKARJI,> > > > WHEN A PLANE IS IN ITS OWN STAR, ITS SUB LORD WILL BECOME ITS EFFECTIVE STR> LORD.> > > > BUT WHETHER IN SUCH CASE SUB SUB LORD WILL BECOME THE EFFECTIVE SUB LORD AS> SUB LORD HAS BECOME THE STR LORD> > > > OR THE PLANET WHICH HAS BECOME THE EFFECTIVE STR LORD WILL ALSO REMAIN THE> SUB LORD.THUS ONE PLKANET WILL ACT AS BOTH EFFECTIVE STR LORD AS WELL AS SUB> LORD??> > > > PLZ CLARIFY.> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Sonali> > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On> Behalf Of Bhaskar> Saturday, August 08, 2009 8:57 PM> To: @gro ups.com> Re: CLARIFY -EFFECTIVE STR LORD & SUB LORD> > > > > > > Dear Shri Sujatkaram ji,> > I was talking about the same rule Sir.> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > @gro ups.com <% 40. com> ,> "sujatkaram" sujatkaram@ wrote:> >> > Respected Mr.Bhaskar,> > Sir,> > I am afraid I am a bit confused by reading your post.I am not able to> understand what exactly you want to say. The inability must be mine.> > I have studied the well-written book by late Mr. Shahasane and the> rule mentioned in the book, as I understood it, is as follows:-> > "If a planet is in its own star, then it gives the result of its> sub-lord; and if a planet is in its own star as well as in its own> sub;then it logically follows that it will give the result of its> sub-sub-lord. "> > Are you mentioning the same rule or a different one?> > Please clarify.> > regards,> > sujatkaram.- -- In @gro ups.com> <% 40. com> , "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Luther ji,> > >> > > I am still not sure what you mean by Bhukti. Does it mean Antardasha> or> > > pratyantardasha in your parlance.> > >> > > I think there is some misunderstanding on your part. I have nowhere> > > mentioned that Rahu is beneficial just because it is in sub-sub of> > > Mercury. The whole context must be ready to understand this. What I> > > mentioned was that- SinceRahu is in its own sub, then as per Shri> > > Sahasneji , we must move to the SubSub and consider it as the> StarLord> > > and check the results thereof. Here Rahu becomes the first class> > > significator for Mercury in this manner, and additionally there is> no> > > Planet in star of Mercury which emphasises this fact.> > >> > > Now on your take of why RahuRahu is more beneficial than Mercury .> Let> > > me clarify that Rahu-Rahu was more beneficial in certain departments> and> > > Rahu-Mer was more beneficial in other departments. There is no> > > definition of what is "beneficial" . For some it is money, and for> > > others it is just fame because they already have money. And> furthermore> > > people if a dasha gives them both name and fame , then it is> considered> > > as beneficial. Let me tell you that uptil now, Rahu-Rahu the whole> > > antardasha has been very much beneficial for me on all angles. This> is> > > now coming to a close.> > >> > > Can you guide me what to expect in antardasha of Jupiter which is> now> > > expected to begin in September ? Do i foresee a heart attack,> Surgery ?> > > Loss in business ? Or pregnancy to my first born ? Or loss of my> mother> > > ? Or change of my residence ?> > >> > > Since you are quite an active member on this Group, I would value> your> > > comments and if they do not confirm to my own, would like to discuss> on> > > the astrological pointers presented by Your goodself.> > >> > > regards/Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>> , Luther Rath <rathluther@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Sir, In one argues that Rahu is beneficial because it is in> sub-sub of> > > Mercury then the period ruled by Rahu and Mercury should have been> the> > > best. But according to you Rahu-Rahu was best. What do you think> about> > > it? What could be other influences on either Rahu or Mercury?Please> > > analyse and throw some light when time permits.> > > > Dr. Rath> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com> > > > > Thursday, August 6, 2009 8:08:58 PM> > > > Re: CLARIFY -EFFECTIVE STR LORD & SUB LORD> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Rath ji,> > > >> > > > I feel that Rahu-Rahu Bhukti was the best one.> > > >> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskarji,> > > > > Can you recollect your life events during Rahu dasa- Rahu> Bhukti;> > > Rahu> > > > dasa-Mercury bhukti and Rahu dasa-kethu bhukti? And can you tell> us> > > > which period was best of the three?> > > > > Dr. Rath> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Tuesday, August 4, 2009 1:36:23 AM> > > > > Re: CLARIFY -EFFECTIVE STR LORD & SUB LORD> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > Once I had gone to visit Shri Sahasneji with my own chart before> the> > > > Rahu Mahadasha was to dawn in my Life. That was probably in 2006.> I> > > > noticed that I had prepared my Chart from a Sofwtare which was> very> > > > famous, but had a doubt in the SubLord position calculated thus.> On my> > > > pointing this so, Mr.Sahashne took the trouble of taking out the> > > > Ephemeris and manually calculated the Degrees and the SubSubLord> too.> > > > > Now the result -> > > > > Rahu in my Chart in Lagna in Leo, at 6.41.32 degrees in star of> Ketu> > > > and in Sub of Rahu itself. He was very happy to see the SubSub> Lord as> > > > Mercury. He mentioned that now you have hit the jackpot (Not> exactly> > > > those words). I said why ? He answered because the SubSubLord is> > > > Mercury, and therefore rahu will give the results of Mercury,> because> > > > you have to move one step further whenever you find the same> planet as> > > > StarLord or SubLord. Apart from this, no planet in Mychart tenants> any> > > > of the Stars of Mercury, so Rahu becomes the first class> significator> > > > for Mercury in my chart, who owns both the 2nd and the 11th house> in> > > my> > > > Chart. Well frankly I did not believe him much at that time> because I> > > > thought he was telling me this just to make me happy. (Later on in> > > > Lessons while Learning from him, he did point out to the students> that> > > > whenever you find any planet in its own star, you must treat the> > > > SubLord as the StarLord).> > > > > When Rahu Mahadasha entered my Life on January 2007, things> changed> > > > for me dramatically. Most of my old debts were cleared up> immediately> > > on> > > > dawn of Rahu Mahadasha. I was aired on the National Channel, I got> a> > > > Contract from one of the Big companies for monthly assignments for> > > which> > > > I was paid a respectable amount. All this happenned by itself> without> > > me> > > > approaching anybody. My Life has changed much after the Rahu> > > Mahadasha.> > > > I am comfortable today monetary wise if not rich. I have enough> work> > > and> > > > opportunities. The going is smooth with Lords Grace and Gurujis> > > > blessings.> > > > > For those interested my Birth details -> > > > > 28th June 1961. 10.15am Eluru 16.45N 81.09E (Near Vijaywada).> > > > > This principle is also mentioned partly in Chandrakant Bhatt's> Book> > > -> > > > Nakshatra Chintamani.> > > > > best wishes,> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > 1. This rule is discovered by Late Suresh Shahasane ji and> comment> > > > had been given before in the Message below.> > > > > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16664> > > > > > 2. In honour of Late Suresh Shahasane ji, some tributes by his> > > > disciples will be published in the KPE-zine August 2009, which> will be> > > > posted very soon.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > tw> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > Such rule is not in the KP Readers and the Nodes rules are> > > > specifically set in KP, not like mentioned here.> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > tw> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@> >> > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Abhiji,> > > > > > > > Can you please give reference of the rule you have> mentioned.> > > I> > > > am not able to recollect where it is. I want to go through the> > > example.> > > > It makes lots of difference to me.> > > > > > > > Regards.> > > > > > > > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > CA ABHI <abhica2004@ >> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > > > Sunday, August 2, 2009 2:40:10 PM> > > > > > > > CLARIFY -EFFECTIVE STR LORD & SUB> LORD> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > HELLO ALL MEMBERS,> > > > > > > > AS PER KP RULE-> > > > > > > > WHEN A PLANET IS IN ITS OWN STR, THEN ITS SUB LORD WILL BE> > > > TREATED AS ITS WORKING STR LORD> > > > > > > > FOR EXAMPLE:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > PLANET STR LORD SUB LORD SUB SUB LORD> > > > > > > > Ke Ke JU SA> > > > > > > > WHICH IS CORRECT :> > > > > > > > A PLANET STR LORD SUB LORD SUB SUB LORD> > > > > > > > Ke Ke/JU* JU SA> > > > > > > > EVEN THOUGH,JU HAS BECOME THE EFFECTIVE STR LORD OF KE,> > > > > > > > EFFECTIVE SUB LORD OF KE WILL REMAIN JU ITSELF> > > > > > > > B PLANET STR LORD SUB LORD SUB SUB LORD> > > > > > > > Ke Ke/JU* JU/SA SA> > > > > > > > AS JU HAS BECOMES THE EFFECTIVE STR LORD,> > > > > > > > EFFECTIVE SUB LORD OF KE WILL BE JU ITSELF OR> > > > > > > > SA WILL BECOME THE EFFECTIVE SUB LORD OF KE> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > CA ABHISHEK SHRIVASTAV> > > > > > > > MOB.NO.98272- 35856> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Dear TWjiThankyou. God bless youRegardsSujatatw853 <tw853 Sent: Monday, 10 August, 2009 5:57:12 PM Re: CLARIFY -EFFECTIVE STR LORD & SUB LORD Dear Sujata ji, 1. Here is what you're asking for to try Sahashne ji's rule when a planet is in its own star or sub. Plt Stl Sbl Ssl Sssl Ma- Ma -Ma -Ra -Sa Me- Su -Me -Me -Ve Ve- Me -Ve -Ma -Su Ra- Ke -Ra -Ra -Sa (F,05/05/1955, 9:37PM,Delhi, 28N36,'77E10, NKPA 23':08:36,Asc Sc '26:05:03', KPAstro 3.1) 2. For one minute difference in the Moon position of birth chart, the difference in the Dasa balance at birth is from 2.7 days foe Sun Dasa balance to 9 days for Venus Dasa balance, in your case 8.1 days for Rahu Dasa balance at birth, which will give the same difference in all dasa levels, DBAS and further sub sub. Regards, tw @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@.. .> wrote: > > Dear Sujatha, > > When there is a small error in planet position or in the inputs used for calculating the CUSP will give wrong shooka, prana, Deha sub. So becareful when you try to use the same. > > GOOD LUCK! > > Thanks > > D.Senthil > > > --- On Fri, 8/7/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote: > > > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> > Re: Re: CLARIFY -EFFECTIVE STR LORD & SUB LORD > @gro ups.com > Friday, August 7, 2009, 4:53 AM > > > > > > > > > Dear Sujatha Ji > > The Subs detail u are expecting to see can be seen in JHL SW. > they are > Nakshastra Lord > Sub Lord, > Prati Sub, > Shookshama Sub > Prana Sub > & Deha Sub > > But I too don't have a knowledge to see the effects of all those Subs > > Regds > > Kalyan > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > @gro ups.com > Thursday, August 6, 2009 10:05:37 PM > Re: CLARIFY -EFFECTIVE STR LORD & SUB LORD > > > > > Dear Sujata ji, > > // I don't have software to generate sub sub sub. // > > I too do not have knowledge about sub sub sub , what to do with them, > and how to use them for predictions, so please excuse me here. About the > Star Lords and the SubLords you are a very old member here, so I need > not mention the same. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > @gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhasker > > This is interesting. My mars is in mars star and own sub and Ra sub > sub.My mer is in mer sub and mer sub sub. Ra is in ke star ra sub and ra > sub sub > > I don't have software to generate sub sub sub. If u have the software > would u let me know the effective star lord and sub of mars, ra, mer ? > My dob is 5-5-55, Tob is 9-37 pm, pob is delhi > > Regards > > Sujata > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > @gro ups.com > > Tuesday, 4 August, 2009 1:36:23 AM > > Re: CLARIFY -EFFECTIVE STR LORD & SUB LORD > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > Once I had gone to visit Shri Sahasneji with my own chart before the > Rahu Mahadasha was to dawn in my Life. That was probably in 2006. I > noticed that I had prepared my Chart from a Sofwtare which was very > famous, but had a doubt in the SubLord position calculated thus. On my > pointing this so, Mr.Sahashne took the trouble of taking out the > Ephemeris and manually calculated the Degrees and the SubSubLord too. > > Now the result - > > Rahu in my Chart in Lagna in Leo, at 6.41.32 degrees in star of Ketu > and in Sub of Rahu itself. He was very happy to see the SubSub Lord as > Mercury. He mentioned that now you have hit the jackpot (Not exactly > those words). I said why ? He answered because the SubSubLord is > Mercury, and therefore rahu will give the results of Mercury, because > you have to move one step further whenever you find the same planet as > StarLord or SubLord. Apart from this, no planet in Mychart tenants any > of the Stars of Mercury, so Rahu becomes the first class significator > for Mercury in my chart, who owns both the 2nd and the 11th house in my > Chart. Well frankly I did not believe him much at that time because I > thought he was telling me this just to make me happy. (Later on in > Lessons while Learning from him, he did point out to the students that > whenever you find any planet in its own star, you must treat the SubLord > as the StarLord). > > When Rahu Mahadasha entered my Life on January 2007, things changed > for me dramatically. Most of my old debts were cleared up immediately on > dawn of Rahu Mahadasha. I was aired on the National Channel, I got a > Contract from one of the Big companies for monthly assignments for which > I was paid a respectable amount. All this happenned by itself without me > approaching anybody. My Life has changed much after the Rahu Mahadasha. > I am comfortable today monetary wise if not rich. I have enough work and > opportunities. The going is smooth with Lords Grace and Gurujis > blessings. > > For those interested my Birth details - > > 28th June 1961. 10.15am Eluru 16.45N 81.09E (Near Vijaywada). > > This principle is also mentioned partly in Chandrakant Bhatt's Book - > Nakshatra Chintamani. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > 1. This rule is discovered by Late Suresh Shahasane ji and comment > had been given before in the Message below. > > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16664 > > > 2. In honour of Late Suresh Shahasane ji, some tributes by his > disciples will be published in the KPE-zine August 2009, which will be > posted very soon. > > > Regards, > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > Such rule is not in the KP Readers and the Nodes rules are > specifically set in KP, not like mentioned here. > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhiji, > > > > > Can you please give reference of the rule you have mentioned. I > am not able to recollect where it is. I want to go through the example. > It makes lots of difference to me. > > > > > Regards. > > > > > Dr. Rath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > CA ABHI <abhica2004@ > > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > Sunday, August 2, 2009 2:40:10 PM > > > > > CLARIFY -EFFECTIVE STR LORD & SUB LORD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HELLO ALL MEMBERS, > > > > > AS PER KP RULE- > > > > > WHEN A PLANET IS IN ITS OWN STR, THEN ITS SUB LORD WILL BE > TREATED AS ITS WORKING STR LORD > > > > > FOR EXAMPLE: > > > > > > > > > > PLANET STR LORD SUB LORD SUB SUB LORD > > > > > Ke Ke JU SA > > > > > WHICH IS CORRECT : > > > > > A PLANET STR LORD SUB LORD SUB SUB LORD > > > > > Ke Ke/JU* JU SA > > > > > EVEN THOUGH,JU HAS BECOME THE EFFECTIVE STR LORD OF KE, > > > > > EFFECTIVE SUB LORD OF KE WILL REMAIN JU ITSELF > > > > > B PLANET STR LORD SUB LORD SUB SUB LORD > > > > > Ke Ke/JU* JU/SA SA > > > > > AS JU HAS BECOMES THE EFFECTIVE STR LORD, > > > > > EFFECTIVE SUB LORD OF KE WILL BE JU ITSELF OR > > > > > SA WILL BECOME THE EFFECTIVE SUB LORD OF KE > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CA ABHISHEK SHRIVASTAV > > > > > MOB.NO.98272- 35856 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for local information? 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Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Dear TWjiMy marriage in mer bhukti is justified if we take the sss of mer which is ve, l/o 6 7 11 in 4. As it is a D grade significator, the marriage didn't last v. long.RegardsSujatatw853 <tw853 Sent: Monday, 10 August, 2009 5:57:12 PM Re: CLARIFY -EFFECTIVE STR LORD & SUB LORD Dear Sujata ji, 1. Here is what you're asking for to try Sahashne ji's rule when a planet is in its own star or sub. Plt Stl Sbl Ssl Sssl Ma- Ma -Ma -Ra -Sa Me- Su -Me -Me -Ve Ve- Me -Ve -Ma -Su Ra- Ke -Ra -Ra -Sa (F,05/05/1955, 9:37PM,Delhi, 28N36,'77E10, NKPA 23':08:36,Asc Sc '26:05:03', KPAstro 3.1) 2. For one minute difference in the Moon position of birth chart, the difference in the Dasa balance at birth is from 2.7 days foe Sun Dasa balance to 9 days for Venus Dasa balance, in your case 8.1 days for Rahu Dasa balance at birth, which will give the same difference in all dasa levels, DBAS and further sub sub. Regards, tw @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@.. ..> wrote: > > Dear Sujatha, > > When there is a small error in planet position or in the inputs used for calculating the CUSP will give wrong shooka, prana, Deha sub. So becareful when you try to use the same. > > GOOD LUCK! > > Thanks > > D.Senthil > > > --- On Fri, 8/7/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote: > > > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> > Re: Re: CLARIFY -EFFECTIVE STR LORD & SUB LORD > @gro ups.com > Friday, August 7, 2009, 4:53 AM > > > > > > > > > Dear Sujatha Ji > > The Subs detail u are expecting to see can be seen in JHL SW. > they are > Nakshastra Lord > Sub Lord, > Prati Sub, > Shookshama Sub > Prana Sub > & Deha Sub > > But I too don't have a knowledge to see the effects of all those Subs > > Regds > > Kalyan > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > @gro ups.com > Thursday, August 6, 2009 10:05:37 PM > Re: CLARIFY -EFFECTIVE STR LORD & SUB LORD > > > > > Dear Sujata ji, > > // I don't have software to generate sub sub sub. // > > I too do not have knowledge about sub sub sub , what to do with them, > and how to use them for predictions, so please excuse me here. About the > Star Lords and the SubLords you are a very old member here, so I need > not mention the same. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > @gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhasker > > This is interesting. My mars is in mars star and own sub and Ra sub > sub.My mer is in mer sub and mer sub sub. Ra is in ke star ra sub and ra > sub sub > > I don't have software to generate sub sub sub. If u have the software > would u let me know the effective star lord and sub of mars, ra, mer ? > My dob is 5-5-55, Tob is 9-37 pm, pob is delhi > > Regards > > Sujata > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > @gro ups.com > > Tuesday, 4 August, 2009 1:36:23 AM > > Re: CLARIFY -EFFECTIVE STR LORD & SUB LORD > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > Once I had gone to visit Shri Sahasneji with my own chart before the > Rahu Mahadasha was to dawn in my Life.. That was probably in 2006. I > noticed that I had prepared my Chart from a Sofwtare which was very > famous, but had a doubt in the SubLord position calculated thus. On my > pointing this so, Mr.Sahashne took the trouble of taking out the > Ephemeris and manually calculated the Degrees and the SubSubLord too. > > Now the result - > > Rahu in my Chart in Lagna in Leo, at 6.41.32 degrees in star of Ketu > and in Sub of Rahu itself. He was very happy to see the SubSub Lord as > Mercury. He mentioned that now you have hit the jackpot (Not exactly > those words). I said why ? He answered because the SubSubLord is > Mercury, and therefore rahu will give the results of Mercury, because > you have to move one step further whenever you find the same planet as > StarLord or SubLord. Apart from this, no planet in Mychart tenants any > of the Stars of Mercury, so Rahu becomes the first class significator > for Mercury in my chart, who owns both the 2nd and the 11th house in my > Chart. Well frankly I did not believe him much at that time because I > thought he was telling me this just to make me happy. (Later on in > Lessons while Learning from him, he did point out to the students that > whenever you find any planet in its own star, you must treat the SubLord > as the StarLord). > > When Rahu Mahadasha entered my Life on January 2007, things changed > for me dramatically. Most of my old debts were cleared up immediately on > dawn of Rahu Mahadasha. I was aired on the National Channel, I got a > Contract from one of the Big companies for monthly assignments for which > I was paid a respectable amount. All this happenned by itself without me > approaching anybody. My Life has changed much after the Rahu Mahadasha. > I am comfortable today monetary wise if not rich. I have enough work and > opportunities. The going is smooth with Lords Grace and Gurujis > blessings. > > For those interested my Birth details - > > 28th June 1961. 10.15am Eluru 16.45N 81.09E (Near Vijaywada). > > This principle is also mentioned partly in Chandrakant Bhatt's Book - > Nakshatra Chintamani. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > 1. This rule is discovered by Late Suresh Shahasane ji and comment > had been given before in the Message below. > > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16664 > > > 2. In honour of Late Suresh Shahasane ji, some tributes by his > disciples will be published in the KPE-zine August 2009, which will be > posted very soon. > > > Regards, > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > Such rule is not in the KP Readers and the Nodes rules are > specifically set in KP, not like mentioned here. > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhiji, > > > > > Can you please give reference of the rule you have mentioned. I > am not able to recollect where it is. I want to go through the example. > It makes lots of difference to me. > > > > > Regards. > > > > > Dr. Rath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > CA ABHI <abhica2004@ > > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > Sunday, August 2, 2009 2:40:10 PM > > > > > CLARIFY -EFFECTIVE STR LORD & SUB LORD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HELLO ALL MEMBERS, > > > > > AS PER KP RULE- > > > > > WHEN A PLANET IS IN ITS OWN STR, THEN ITS SUB LORD WILL BE > TREATED AS ITS WORKING STR LORD > > > > > FOR EXAMPLE: > > > > > > > > > > PLANET STR LORD SUB LORD SUB SUB LORD > > > > > Ke Ke JU SA > > > > > WHICH IS CORRECT : > > > > > A PLANET STR LORD SUB LORD SUB SUB LORD > > > > > Ke Ke/JU* JU SA > > > > > EVEN THOUGH,JU HAS BECOME THE EFFECTIVE STR LORD OF KE, > > > > > EFFECTIVE SUB LORD OF KE WILL REMAIN JU ITSELF > > > > > B PLANET STR LORD SUB LORD SUB SUB LORD > > > > > Ke Ke/JU* JU/SA SA > > > > > AS JU HAS BECOMES THE EFFECTIVE STR LORD, > > > > > EFFECTIVE SUB LORD OF KE WILL BE JU ITSELF OR > > > > > SA WILL BECOME THE EFFECTIVE SUB LORD OF KE > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CA ABHISHEK SHRIVASTAV > > > > > MOB.NO.98272- 35856 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for local information? 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