Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Hello All,I am reading the " Astro Secrete & KP - Part 1 " Page 266.The Ruling planets are taken from the Horary chart. In some other KP Readers and articles, the Ruling planets are taken from transit chart of that date, time and place. The day lord, Moon Rasi lord and Moon Star lord will be the same.But the Lagna position will be different and so the Ruling planets related Lagna are different in Horary chart and transit chart. What is the correct way to get the Ruling planets?-- Bhanu Pinnamanenihttp://kpmuhurat.sourceforge.net/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Sir, There are two schools regarding casting horary chart. Most of us ask for a number between 1 and 249 (including both the numbers). We cast the chart taking the number as the Lagna of the query. Some astrologers immidiately sit down to study and cast a chart for the moment ther begin casting the chart. The RPs are the Ascendant lords, the Moon lords and the day lord. The sign and star lord of Moon and the day lord obviously remain same. The Lagna differs in the first method and the second one. Which ever method one follows the rising Sign and Star are to be considered for Ruling Planets. One should not take the sign and star lord of the Ascendant obtained from the horary number. Dr. Rath Astro Paris <bhanuparis Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 7:35:14 AM Ruling planets of a Horary chart Hello All, I am reading the "Astro Secrete & KP - Part 1" Page 266. The Ruling planets are taken from the Horary chart. In some other KP Readers and articles, the Ruling planets are taken from transit chart of that date, time and place. The day lord, Moon Rasi lord and Moon Star lord will be the same. But the Lagna position will be different and so the Ruling planets related Lagna are different in Horary chart and transit chart. What is the correct way to get the Ruling planets? -- Bhanu Pinnamaneni http://kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Hello all, RP ascendant is always taken from the time and place of Judgment. This should never be derived from the Horary seed number. Thanks,D K B Mob.: 91-9910048040 "Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT."--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Ruling planets of a Horary chart Date: Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 8:59 PM Dear Sir, There are two schools regarding casting horary chart. Most of us ask for a number between 1 and 249 (including both the numbers). We cast the chart taking the number as the Lagna of the query. Some astrologers immidiately sit down to study and cast a chart for the moment ther begin casting the chart. The RPs are the Ascendant lords, the Moon lords and the day lord. The sign and star lord of Moon and the day lord obviously remain same. The Lagna differs in the first method and the second one. Which ever method one follows the rising Sign and Star are to be considered for Ruling Planets. One should not take the sign and star lord of the Ascendant obtained from the horary number. Dr. Rath Astro Paris <bhanuparis (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.comThursday, August 6, 2009 7:35:14 AM Ruling planets of a Horary chart Hello All, I am reading the "Astro Secrete & KP - Part 1" Page 266. The Ruling planets are taken from the Horary chart. In some other KP Readers and articles, the Ruling planets are taken from transit chart of that date, time and place. The day lord, Moon Rasi lord and Moon Star lord will be the same. But the Lagna position will be different and so the Ruling planets related Lagna are different in Horary chart and transit chart. What is the correct way to get the Ruling planets? -- Bhanu Pinnamaneni http://kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/ Looking for local information? Find it on Local Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 DearsHorary is the nothing but the fixation of Lagna/ascendent for the particular jataka for particular query. Suppose one jataka puts No. 1 means ascendent will be Mesh Rasi, Ketu Star, Ketu Sub, Ketu subsubbut for ruling planets, the actual rising lagna of the same time where query has been put for prediction, the star lord of the lagna will be the strongest ruling planets. As no doubt, the moon star as well as moon sign will not change.,It is further added that if the horary query will not be predicted in the first meeting, then when the same query will try, take the same number but put the recent planetory set up and accordingly ruling planets also. While predicting horary also, try to convert geographical latitudes into geocentric latitudes as it will also cause some difference in fixation of sub and especially sub sub. It may or may not but geocentric latitudes are to be taken for casting the horoscope. It has given very best results for so many astrologers who used to use it.With regardsVijayanand Patil, Sushilratna, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur+91/9422582853/9673746303On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:55:09 +0530 wrote>Hello all,> >RP ascendant is always taken from the time and place of Judgment. This should never be derived from the Horary seed number. >>>>Thanks,>D K B>Mob.: 91-9910048040>>>>>"Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT.">>--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Luther Rath wrote:>>>Luther Rath >Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart> >Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 8:59 PM>>> >>>>>>Dear Sir,>There are two schools regarding casting horary chart. Most of us ask for a number between 1 and 249 (including both the numbers). We cast the chart taking the number as the Lagna of the query. Some astrologers immidiately sit down to study and cast a chart for the moment ther begin casting the chart. The RPs are the Ascendant lords, the Moon lords and the day lord. The sign and star lord of Moon and the day lord obviously remain same. The Lagna differs in the first method and the second one. Which ever method one follows the rising Sign and Star are to be considered for Ruling Planets. One should not take the sign and star lord of the Ascendant obtained from the horary number.>Dr. Rath>>>>>Astro Paris >@gro ups.com>Thursday, August 6, 2009 7:35:14 AM> Ruling planets of a Horary chart>> >>Hello All, >>>I am reading the "Astro Secrete KP - Part 1" Page 266.>>>The Ruling planets are taken from the Horary chart. >>>In some other KP Readers and articles, the Ruling planets are taken from transit chart of that date, time and place.>>>The day lord, Moon Rasi lord and Moon Star lord will be the same.>But the Lagna position will be different and so the Ruling planets related Lagna are different in Horary chart and transit chart. >>>What is the correct way to get the Ruling planets?>>-- >Bhanu Pinnamaneni>>>>http://kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Dear All,Thank you for your mails with useful information.One addition question for the same:Based on the relation between the querent and the person in question, the KP Horary chart is rotated. So, What about Time chart that is used for RPs. Do we need to rotate also?Best regardsBhanuAstroOpenSource Visit:http://kpmuhurat.sourceforge.net/-- On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:12 AM, VIJAYANANDPATIL <guide_vijayanand wrote:  DearsHorary is the nothing but the fixation of Lagna/ascendent for the particular jataka for particular query. Suppose one jataka puts No. 1 means ascendent will be Mesh Rasi, Ketu Star, Ketu Sub, Ketu subsubbut for ruling planets, the actual rising lagna of the same time where query has been put for prediction, the star lord of the lagna will be the strongest ruling planets. As no doubt, the moon star as well as moon sign will not change.,It is further added that if the horary query will not be predicted in the first meeting, then when the same query will try, take the same number but put the recent planetory set up and accordingly ruling planets also. While predicting horary also, try to convert geographical latitudes into geocentric latitudes as it will also cause some difference in fixation of sub and especially sub sub. It may or may not but geocentric latitudes are to be taken for casting the horoscope. It has given very best results for so many astrologers who used to use it.With regardsVijayanand Patil, Sushilratna, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur+91/9422582853/9673746303On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:55:09 +0530 wrote>Hello all,> >RP ascendant is always taken from the time and place of Judgment. This should never be derived from the Horary seed number. >>>>Thanks,>D K B>Mob.: 91-9910048040>>>>> " Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT. " >>--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Luther Rath wrote:>>>Luther Rath >Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart> >Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 8:59 PM>>>  >>>>>>Dear Sir,>There are two schools  regarding casting horary chart. Most of us ask for a number between 1 and 249 (including both the numbers). We cast the chart taking the number as the Lagna of the query. Some astrologers immidiately sit down to study and cast a chart for the moment ther begin casting the chart.  The RPs are the Ascendant lords, the Moon lords and the day lord. The sign and star lord of Moon and the day lord obviously remain same. The Lagna differs in the first method and the second one. Which ever method one follows the rising Sign and Star are to be considered for Ruling Planets. One should not take the sign and star lord of the Ascendant obtained from the horary number.>Dr. Rath>>>>>Astro Paris >@gro ups.com>Thursday, August 6, 2009 7:35:14 AM> Ruling planets of a Horary chart>>  >>Hello All, >>>I am reading the " Astro Secrete KP - Part 1 " Page 266.>>>The Ruling planets are taken from the Horary chart. >>>In some other KP Readers and articles, the Ruling planets are taken from transit chart of that date, time and place.>>>The day lord, Moon Rasi lord and Moon Star lord will be the same.>But the Lagna position will be different and so the Ruling planets related Lagna are different in Horary chart and transit chart. >>>What is the correct way to get the Ruling planets?>>-- >Bhanu Pinnamaneni>>>>http://kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket. -- Bhanu Pinnamanenihttp://kpmuhurat.sourceforge.net/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Hello Vijayanand, Yopu are absolutely correct. But I am sorry to say that 90% astrologers including followers of KSK also not use Geocentric latitude in their calculations. There is a few software which has provision for conversion of geographical latitude into Geocentric latitude. Cusp calculated based on Geocentric latitude is more accurate and thus gives completely correct psitions of Planets as well as Bhyava. I hope in future software will be equiped with this tool. Thanks,D K B Mob.: 91-9910048040 "Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT."--- On Fri, 7/8/09, VIJAYANANDPATIL <guide_vijayanand wrote: VIJAYANANDPATIL <guide_vijayanandRe: Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart Cc: kdbhaskar7Date: Friday, 7 August, 2009, 11:42 AM DearsHorary is the nothing but the fixation of Lagna/ascendent for the particular jataka for particular query. Suppose one jataka puts No. 1 means ascendent will be Mesh Rasi, Ketu Star, Ketu Sub, Ketu subsubbut for ruling planets, the actual rising lagna of the same time where query has been put for prediction, the star lord of the lagna will be the strongest ruling planets. As no doubt, the moon star as well as moon sign will not change.,It is further added that if the horary query will not be predicted in the first meeting, then when the same query will try, take the same number but put the recent planetory set up and accordingly ruling planets also. While predicting horary also, try to convert geographical latitudes into geocentric latitudes as it will also cause some difference in fixation of sub and especially sub sub. It may or may not but geocentric latitudes are to be taken for casting the horoscope. It has given very best results for so many astrologers who used to use it.With regardsVijayanand Patil, Sushilratna, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur+91/ 9422582853/ 9673746303On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:55:09 +0530 wrote>Hello all,> >RP ascendant is always taken from the time and place of Judgment. This should never be derived from the Horary seed number. >>>>Thanks,> D K B>Mob.: 91-9910048040> >>>>"Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT.">>--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Luther Rath wrote:>>>Luther Rath >Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart>@gro ups.com>Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 8:59 PM>>> >>>>>>Dear Sir,>There are two schools regarding casting horary chart. Most of us ask for a number between 1 and 249 (including both the numbers). We cast the chart taking the number as the Lagna of the query. Some astrologers immidiately sit down to study and cast a chart for the moment ther begin casting the chart. The RPs are the Ascendant lords, the Moon lords and the day lord. The sign and star lord of Moon and the day lord obviously remain same. The Lagna differs in the first method and the second one. Which ever method one follows the rising Sign and Star are to be considered for Ruling Planets. One should not take the sign and star lord of the Ascendant obtained from the horary number.>Dr. Rath>>>>>Astro Paris >@gro ups.com>Thursday, August 6, 2009 7:35:14 AM> Ruling planets of a Horary chart>> >>Hello All, >>>I am reading the "Astro Secrete KP - Part 1" Page 266.>>>The Ruling planets are taken from the Horary chart. >>>In some other KP Readers and articles, the Ruling planets are taken from transit chart of that date, time and place.>>>The day lord, Moon Rasi lord and Moon Star lord will be the same.>But the Lagna position will be different and so the Ruling planets related Lagna are different in Horary chart and transit chart. >>>What is the correct way to get the Ruling planets?>>-- >Bhanu Pinnamaneni> >>>http:/ /kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket. Looking for local information? Find it on Local Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Absract from Reading a Horary Chart in KPE-zine April 2009 51. It is a common practice to work out the ruling planets at the time of casting the chart or time of judgment of query even though the question is solved with the help of a Horary number. It is the best method of choosing the fruitful significators which are common with the significators. (KP Reader VI pp 274, 138, 141, 200) 52. Another opinion is that the ruling planets of Horary Ascendant as per chosen number help to reach right conclusion. [Dr. Prabhakar: New Dimensions of KP Astrology (Horary) p 64] Reason is that the Ascendant cusp derives the fate of querent and fate cannot be changed. (Dr. Kar in KPA 2001 p 22) , " VIJAYANANDPATIL " <guide_vijayanand wrote: > > DearsHorary is the nothing but the fixation of Lagna/ascendent for the particular jataka for particular query. Suppose one jataka puts No. 1 means ascendent will be Mesh Rasi, Ketu Star, Ketu Sub, Ketu subsubbut for ruling planets, the actual rising lagna of the same time where query has been put for prediction, the star lord of the lagna will be the strongest ruling planets. As no doubt, the moon star as well as moon sign will not change.,It is further added that if the horary query will not be predicted in the first meeting, then when the same query will try, take the same number but put the recent planetory set up and accordingly ruling planets also. While predicting horary also, try to convert geographical latitudes into geocentric latitudes as it will also cause some difference in fixation of sub and especially sub sub. It may or may not but geocentric latitudes are to be taken for casting the horoscope. It has given very best results for so many astrologers who used to use it.With regardsVijayanand Patil, Sushilratna, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur+91/9422582853/9673746303On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:55:09 +0530 wrote>Hello all,> >RP ascendant is always taken from the time and place of Judgment. This should never be derived from the Horary seed number. >>>>Thanks,>D K B>Mob.: 91-9910048040>>>>> " Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT. " >>--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Luther Rath wrote:>>>Luther Rath >Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart>To: >Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 8:59 PM>>> >>>>>>Dear Sir,>There are two schools regarding casting horary chart. Most of us ask for a number between 1 and 249 (including both the numbers). We cast the chart taking the number as the Lagna of the query. Some astrologers immidiately sit down to study and cast a chart for the moment ther begin casting the chart. The RPs are the Ascendant lords, the Moon lords and the day lord. The sign and star lord of Moon and the day lord obviously remain same. The Lagna differs in the first method and the second one. Which ever method one follows the rising Sign and Star are to be considered for Ruling Planets. One should not take the sign and star lord of the Ascendant obtained from the horary number.>Dr. Rath>>>>>Astro Paris >@gro ups.com>Thursday, August 6, 2009 7:35:14 AM> Ruling planets of a Horary chart>> >>Hello All, >>>I am reading the " Astro Secrete & KP - Part 1 " Page 266.>>>The Ruling planets are taken from the Horary chart. >>>In some other KP Readers and articles, the Ruling planets are taken from transit chart of that date, time and place.>>>The day lord, Moon Rasi lord and Moon Star lord will be the same.>But the Lagna position will be different and so the Ruling planets related Lagna are different in Horary chart and transit chart. >>>What is the correct way to get the Ruling planets?>>-- >Bhanu Pinnamaneni>>>>http://kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Abstract from GEOGRAPHIC OR GEOCENTRIC.doc in the File section of this group 6. Shri Raichur's SW uses the Geocentric latitude. It converts the Geographic latitude from the atlas to the Geocentric one and gives the cuspal positions for the Geocentric longitude of birth place. Now it is understandable why is the difference in the cuspal positions given by Shri Raichur's SW for the Geocentric latitude and other KP SWs for the Geographic latitude of birth place as per default setting. Other SWs will also use the Geocentric latitude by choosing the Geocentric option or Geocentric Correction option. 7. Nowadays there is a tendency of preferring Geocentric latitude of a place of birth other than Geographic latitude. So the Geocentric latitude option or Geocentric correction is incorporated in many SWs like KPAstro 3.0, Astraura, Jyotishya Deepika, Astracadabra, Solar Fire etc. 9. (d) The way of measuring the Geographic latitude seems in line what is required for the calculation of house cusps and the Geocentric latitude may not fulfill this condition. One may wonder if the Geocentric positions of all planets are used, why to use the Geographic latitude of birth place? The difference is that all planets are moving in the sky to measure from the center of earth but the birth place is located on earth at different levels from sea. Also N Blunsdon points out in " Low Thoughts on High Latitudes " that the angle, which determines the Ascendant, is much more accurately given by Geographic latitude than by Geocentric latitude. (Geoffrey Dean: Recent Advances in Natal Astrology); 10. ...I use and prefer the Geographic latitude as it is commonly used and well tested but I keep my mind open to experiment with the application of Geocentric latitude correction. , Dharmendra Kumar <kdbhaskar7 wrote: > > Hello Vijayanand, > > Yopu are absolutely correct. But I am sorry to say that 90% astrologers including followers of KSK also not use Geocentric latitude in their calculations. There is a few software which has provision for conversion of geographical latitude into Geocentric latitude. Cusp calculated based on Geocentric latitude is more accurate and thus gives completely correct psitions of Planets as well as Bhyava. > > I hope in future software will be equiped with this tool. > > > Thanks, > D K B > Mob.: 91-9910048040 > > > > > " Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT. " > > --- On Fri, 7/8/09, VIJAYANANDPATIL <guide_vijayanand wrote: > > > VIJAYANANDPATIL <guide_vijayanand > Re: Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart > > Cc: kdbhaskar7 > Friday, 7 August, 2009, 11:42 AM > > > > > > > DearsHorary is the nothing but the fixation of Lagna/ascendent for the particular jataka for particular query. Suppose one jataka puts No. 1 means ascendent will be Mesh Rasi, Ketu Star, Ketu Sub, Ketu subsubbut for ruling planets, the actual rising lagna of the same time where query has been put for prediction, the star lord of the lagna will be the strongest ruling planets. As no doubt, the moon star as well as moon sign will not change.,It is further added that if the horary query will not be predicted in the first meeting, then when the same query will try, take the same number but put the recent planetory set up and accordingly ruling planets also. While predicting horary also, try to convert geographical latitudes into geocentric latitudes as it will also cause some difference in fixation of sub and especially sub sub. It may or may not but geocentric latitudes are to be taken for casting the horoscope. It has given very best results for so > many astrologers who used to use it.With regardsVijayanand Patil, Sushilratna, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur+91/ 9422582853/ 9673746303On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:55:09 +0530 wrote>Hello all,> >RP ascendant is always taken from the time and place of Judgment. This should never be derived from the Horary seed number. >>>>Thanks,> D K B>Mob.: 91-9910048040> >>>> " Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT. " >>--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Luther Rath wrote:>>>Luther Rath >Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart>@gro ups.com>Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 8:59 PM>>> >>>>>>Dear Sir,>There are two schools regarding casting horary chart. Most of us ask for a number between 1 and 249 (including both the numbers). We cast the chart taking the number as the Lagna of the query. Some astrologers immidiately sit down to study and cast a chart for the moment ther begin casting the chart. The RPs are the Ascendant > lords, the Moon lords and the day lord. The sign and star lord of Moon and the day lord obviously remain same. The Lagna differs in the first method and the second one. Which ever method one follows the rising Sign and Star are to be considered for Ruling Planets. One should not take the sign and star lord of the Ascendant obtained from the horary number.>Dr. Rath>>>>>Astro Paris >To: @gro ups.com>Thursday, August 6, 2009 7:35:14 AM>Subject: Ruling planets of a Horary chart>> >>Hello All, >>>I am reading the " Astro Secrete KP - Part 1 " Page 266.>>>The Ruling planets are taken from the Horary chart. >>>In some other KP Readers and articles, the Ruling planets are taken from transit chart of that date, time and place.>>>The day lord, Moon Rasi lord and Moon Star lord will be the same.>But the Lagna position will be different and so the Ruling planets related Lagna are different in Horary chart and transit chart. > >>>What is the correct way to get the Ruling planets?>>-- >Bhanu Pinnamaneni> >>>http:/ /kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. 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Guest guest Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Dear Bhanuji, Horary chart has to be rotated as you have mentioned. What you express as time chart, in fact there is no chart at all What will you rotate. The ruling planets at the time of judgment reflects the urge of the astrologer. Astrologer is not changed , time is not changed. so no question of rotating the chart. If the astrologer cannot be able to complete the analysis in his first sitting, he can sit next time when he is in leisure and then he has to take the RPs at that moment ignoring those of first time. I think I am clear. Dr. Rath Astro Paris <bhanuparis Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 12:06:32 AMRe: Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart Dear All, Thank you for your mails with useful information. One addition question for the same: Based on the relation between the querent and the person in question, the KP Horary chart is rotated. So, What about Time chart that is used for RPs. Do we need to rotate also? Best regards Bhanu AstroOpenSource@ gmail.com Visit:http://kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/ -- On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:12 AM, VIJAYANANDPATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote: DearsHorary is the nothing but the fixation of Lagna/ascendent for the particular jataka for particular query. Suppose one jataka puts No. 1 means ascendent will be Mesh Rasi, Ketu Star, Ketu Sub, Ketu subsubbut for ruling planets, the actual rising lagna of the same time where query has been put for prediction, the star lord of the lagna will be the strongest ruling planets. As no doubt, the moon star as well as moon sign will not change.,It is further added that if the horary query will not be predicted in the first meeting, then when the same query will try, take the same number but put the recent planetory set up and accordingly ruling planets also. While predicting horary also, try to convert geographical latitudes into geocentric latitudes as it will also cause some difference in fixation of sub and especially sub sub. It may or may not but geocentric latitudes are to be taken for casting the horoscope. It has given very best results for so many astrologers who used to use it.With regardsVijayanand Patil, Sushilratna, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur+91/ 9422582853/ 9673746303On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:55:09 +0530 wrote>Hello all,> >RP ascendant is always taken from the time and place of Judgment. This should never be derived from the Horary seed number. >>>>Thanks,>D K B>Mob.: 91-9910048040>>>>>"Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT.">>--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Luther Rath wrote:>>>Luther Rath >Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart>@gro ups.com>Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 8:59 PM>>> >>>>>>Dear Sir,>There are two schools regarding casting horary chart. Most of us ask for a number between 1 and 249 (including both the numbers). We cast the chart taking the number as the Lagna of the query. Some astrologers immidiately sit down to study and cast a chart for the moment ther begin casting the chart. The RPs are the Ascendant lords, the Moon lords and the day lord. The sign and star lord of Moon and the day lord obviously remain same. The Lagna differs in the first method and the second one. Which ever method one follows the rising Sign and Star are to be considered for Ruling Planets. One should not take the sign and star lord of the Ascendant obtained from the horary number.>Dr. Rath>>>>>Astro Paris >@gro ups.com>Thursday, August 6, 2009 7:35:14 AM> Ruling planets of a Horary chart>> >>Hello All, >>>I am reading the "Astro Secrete KP - Part 1" Page 266.>>>The Ruling planets are taken from the Horary chart. >>>In some other KP Readers and articles, the Ruling planets are taken from transit chart of that date, time and place.>>>The day lord, Moon Rasi lord and Moon Star lord will be the same.>But the Lagna position will be different and so the Ruling planets related Lagna are different in Horary chart and transit chart. >>>What is the correct way to get the Ruling planets?>>-- >Bhanu Pinnamaneni>>>>http://kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket. -- Bhanu Pinnamanenihttp://kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Vijay Kumar in KPE-zine November 2008One of my friends whose wife was hospitalized because of a severe sickness approached me to find if the native was destined to survive. I replied by looking to some transits, though I wanted to be sure by KP analysis. In the evening, with the question in mind "Will the native survive?", I casted an time chart on Sep 28, 2008 at 19-34-25 Hrs IST at Bangalore. The lagna of the time chart was taken as the lagna of the native. , Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:>> Dear Bhanuji,> Horary chart has to be rotated as you have mentioned.> What you express as time chart, in fact there is no chart at all What will you rotate. The ruling planets at the time of judgment reflects the urge of the astrologer. Astrologer is not changed , time is not changed. so no question of rotating the chart. If the astrologer cannot be able to complete the analysis in his first sitting, he can sit next time when he is in leisure and then he has to take the RPs at that moment ignoring those of first time. I think I am clear.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ________________________________> Astro Paris bhanuparis > Saturday, August 8, 2009 12:06:32 AM> Re: Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart> > > Dear All, > > Thank you for your mails with useful information.> > One addition question for the same:> > Based on the relation between the querent and the person in question, the KP Horary chart is rotated.> > So, What about Time chart that is used for RPs. Do we need to rotate also?> > Best regards> Bhanu> AstroOpenSource@ gmail.com> > Visit:http://kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/> > -- > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:12 AM, VIJAYANANDPATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote:> > > >DearsHorary is the nothing but the fixation of Lagna/ascendent for the particular jataka for particular query. Suppose one jataka puts No. 1 means ascendent will be Mesh Rasi, Ketu Star, Ketu Sub, Ketu subsubbut for ruling planets, the actual rising lagna of the same time where query has been put for prediction, the star lord of the lagna will be the strongest ruling planets. As no doubt, the moon star as well as moon sign will not change.,It is further added that if the horary query will not be predicted in the first meeting, then when the same query will try, take the same number but put the recent planetory set up and accordingly ruling planets also. While predicting horary also, try to convert geographical latitudes into geocentric latitudes as it will also cause some difference in fixation of sub and especially sub sub. It may or may not but geocentric latitudes are to be taken for casting the horoscope. It has given very best results for> so many astrologers who used to use it.With regardsVijayanand Patil, Sushilratna, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur+91/ 9422582853/ 9673746303On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:55:09 +0530 wrote>Hello all,> >RP ascendant is always taken from the time and place of Judgment. This should never be derived from the Horary seed number. >>>>Thanks,>D K B>Mob.: 91-9910048040>>>>>"Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT.">>--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Luther Rath wrote:>>>Luther Rath >Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart>@gro ups.com>Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 8:59 PM>>> >>>>>>Dear Sir,>There are two schools regarding casting horary chart. Most of us ask for a number between 1 and 249 (including both the numbers). We cast the chart taking the number as the Lagna of the query. Some astrologers immidiately sit down to study and cast a chart for the moment ther begin casting the chart. The RPs are the Ascendant> lords, the Moon lords and the day lord. The sign and star lord of Moon and the day lord obviously remain same. The Lagna differs in the first method and the second one. Which ever method one follows the rising Sign and Star are to be considered for Ruling Planets. One should not take the sign and star lord of the Ascendant obtained from the horary number.>Dr. Rath>>>>>Astro Paris >@gro ups.com>Thursday, August 6, 2009 7:35:14 AM> Ruling planets of a Horary chart>> >>Hello All, >>>I am reading the "Astro Secrete KP - Part 1" Page 266.>>>The Ruling planets are taken from the Horary chart. >>>In some other KP Readers and articles, the Ruling planets are taken from transit chart of that date, time and place.>>>The day lord, Moon Rasi lord and Moon Star lord will be the same.>But the Lagna position will be different and so the Ruling planets related Lagna are different in Horary chart and transit chart.> >>>What is the correct way to get the Ruling planets?>>-- >Bhanu Pinnamaneni>>>>http://kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket. > > > > > -- > Bhanu Pinnamaneni> > http://kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Dear Dr.Rathji,Thank you for your clear answer and also the logic behind it.Best regardsBhanuAstroOpenSource http://kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/ http://kphorary. sourceforge. net/ On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:  Dear Bhanuji, Horary chart has to be rotated as you have mentioned. What you express as time chart, in fact there is no chart at all What will you rotate. The ruling planets at the time of judgment reflects the urge of the astrologer. Astrologer is not changed , time is not changed. so no question of rotating the chart. If the astrologer cannot be able to complete the analysis in his first sitting, he can sit next time when he is in leisure and then he has to take the RPs at that moment ignoring those of first time. I think I am clear. Dr. Rath Astro Paris <bhanuparis Saturday, August 8, 2009 12:06:32 AMRe: Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart Dear All, Thank you for your mails with useful information. One addition question for the same: Based on the relation between the querent and the person in question, the KP Horary chart is rotated. So, What about Time chart that is used for RPs. Do we need to rotate also? Best regards Bhanu AstroOpenSource@ gmail.com Visit:http://kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/ -- On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:12 AM, VIJAYANANDPATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote:  DearsHorary is the nothing but the fixation of Lagna/ascendent for the particular jataka for particular query. Suppose one jataka puts No. 1 means ascendent will be Mesh Rasi, Ketu Star, Ketu Sub, Ketu subsubbut for ruling planets, the actual rising lagna of the same time where query has been put for prediction, the star lord of the lagna will be the strongest ruling planets. As no doubt, the moon star as well as moon sign will not change.,It is further added that if the horary query will not be predicted in the first meeting, then when the same query will try, take the same number but put the recent planetory set up and accordingly ruling planets also. While predicting horary also, try to convert geographical latitudes into geocentric latitudes as it will also cause some difference in fixation of sub and especially sub sub. It may or may not but geocentric latitudes are to be taken for casting the horoscope. It has given very best results for so many astrologers who used to use it.With regardsVijayanand Patil, Sushilratna, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur+91/ 9422582853/ 9673746303On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:55:09 +0530 wrote>Hello all,> >RP ascendant is always taken from the time and place of Judgment. This should never be derived from the Horary seed number. >>>>Thanks,>D K B>Mob.: 91-9910048040>>>>> " Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT. " >>--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Luther Rath wrote:>>>Luther Rath >Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart>@gro ups.com>Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 8:59 PM>>>  >>>>>>Dear Sir,>There are two schools  regarding casting horary chart. Most of us ask for a number between 1 and 249 (including both the numbers). We cast the chart taking the number as the Lagna of the query. Some astrologers immidiately sit down to study and cast a chart for the moment ther begin casting the chart.  The RPs are the Ascendant lords, the Moon lords and the day lord. The sign and star lord of Moon and the day lord obviously remain same. The Lagna differs in the first method and the second one. Which ever method one follows the rising Sign and Star are to be considered for Ruling Planets. One should not take the sign and star lord of the Ascendant obtained from the horary number.>Dr. Rath>>>>>Astro Paris >@gro ups.com>Thursday, August 6, 2009 7:35:14 AM> Ruling planets of a Horary chart>>  >>Hello All, >>>I am reading the " Astro Secrete KP - Part 1 " Page 266.>>>The Ruling planets are taken from the Horary chart. >>>In some other KP Readers and articles, the Ruling planets are taken from transit chart of that date, time and place.>>>The day lord, Moon Rasi lord and Moon Star lord will be the same.>But the Lagna position will be different and so the Ruling planets related Lagna are different in Horary chart and transit chart. >>>What is the correct way to get the Ruling planets?>>-- >Bhanu Pinnamaneni>>>>http://kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket. -- Bhanu Pinnamanenihttp://kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/ -- Bhanu Pinnamanenihttp://kpmuhurat.sourceforge.net/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Dear sir,The Horary chart has to be rotated and not the time chart , as rightly said by Dr. Rath.Moreover, while analysing the RPs at the time of judgment, if we look at the Time chart, the Ascendant will act as the Asc. of the native as TwinJi said. And that time chart will almost reflect the Horary chart and will be more useful in confirmation of the predictions through the Horary.Its my humble experince!RegardsAdithwww.thebestastro.com On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:25 AM, tw853 <tw853 wrote: Vijay Kumar in KPE-zine November 2008One of my friends whose wife was hospitalized because of a severe sickness approached me to find if the native was destined to survive. I replied by looking to some transits, though I wanted to be sure by KP analysis. In the evening, with the question in mind " Will the native survive? " , I casted an time chart on Sep 28, 2008 at 19-34-25 Hrs IST at Bangalore. The lagna of the time chart was taken as the lagna of the native. , Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:>> Dear Bhanuji,> Horary chart has to be rotated as you have mentioned. > What you express as time chart, in fact there is no chart at all What will you rotate. The ruling planets at the time of judgment reflects the urge of the astrologer. Astrologer is not changed , time is not changed. so no question of rotating the chart. If the astrologer cannot be able to complete the analysis in his first sitting, he can sit next time when he is in leisure and then he has to take the RPs at that moment ignoring those of first time. I think I am clear. > Dr. Rath> > > > > ________________________________> Astro Paris bhanuparis > Saturday, August 8, 2009 12:06:32 AM> Re: Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart> > > Dear All, > > Thank you for your mails with useful information. > > One addition question for the same:> > Based on the relation between the querent and the person in question, the KP Horary chart is rotated.> > So, What about Time chart that is used for RPs. Do we need to rotate also? > > Best regards> Bhanu> AstroOpenSource@ gmail.com> > Visit:http://kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/ > > -- > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:12 AM, VIJAYANANDPATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote:> > > >DearsHorary is the nothing but the fixation of Lagna/ascendent for the particular jataka for particular query. Suppose one jataka puts No. 1 means ascendent will be Mesh Rasi, Ketu Star, Ketu Sub, Ketu subsubbut for ruling planets, the actual rising lagna of the same time where query has been put for prediction, the star lord of the lagna will be the strongest ruling planets. As no doubt, the moon star as well as moon sign will not change.,It is further added that if the horary query will not be predicted in the first meeting, then when the same query will try, take the same number but put the recent planetory set up and accordingly ruling planets also. While predicting horary also, try to convert geographical latitudes into geocentric latitudes as it will also cause some difference in fixation of sub and especially sub sub. It may or may not but geocentric latitudes are to be taken for casting the horoscope. It has given very best results for > so many astrologers who used to use it.With regardsVijayanand Patil, Sushilratna, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur+91/ 9422582853/ 9673746303On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:55:09 +0530 wrote>Hello all,> >RP ascendant is always taken from the time and place of Judgment. This should never be derived from the Horary seed number. >>>>Thanks,>D K B>Mob.: 91-9910048040>>>>> " Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT. " >>--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Luther Rath wrote:>>>Luther Rath >Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart>@gro ups.com>Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 8:59 PM>>> >>>>>>Dear Sir,>There are two schools regarding casting horary chart. Most of us ask for a number between 1 and 249 (including both the numbers). We cast the chart taking the number as the Lagna of the query. Some astrologers immidiately sit down to study and cast a chart for the moment ther begin casting the chart. The RPs are the Ascendant > lords, the Moon lords and the day lord. The sign and star lord of Moon and the day lord obviously remain same. The Lagna differs in the first method and the second one. Which ever method one follows the rising Sign and Star are to be considered for Ruling Planets. One should not take the sign and star lord of the Ascendant obtained from the horary number.>Dr. Rath>>>>>Astro Paris >@gro ups.com>Thursday, August 6, 2009 7:35:14 AM> Ruling planets of a Horary chart>> >>Hello All, >>>I am reading the " Astro Secrete KP - Part 1 " Page 266.>>>The Ruling planets are taken from the Horary chart. >>>In some other KP Readers and articles, the Ruling planets are taken from transit chart of that date, time and place.>>>The day lord, Moon Rasi lord and Moon Star lord will be the same.>But the Lagna position will be different and so the Ruling planets related Lagna are different in Horary chart and transit chart. > >>>What is the correct way to get the Ruling planets?>>-- >Bhanu Pinnamaneni>>>>http://kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. 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Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Dear TWjiWorking on horary charts for my daughter, I have found the moons analysis a better guide as to whether to rotate the chart or not.RegardsSujatatw853 <tw853 Sent: Sunday, 9 August, 2009 7:25:14 AMRe: Ruling planets of a Horary chart Vijay Kumar in KPE-zine November 2008One of my friends whose wife was hospitalized because of a severe sickness approached me to find if the native was destined to survive. I replied by looking to some transits, though I wanted to be sure by KP analysis. In the evening, with the question in mind "Will the native survive?", I casted an time chart on Sep 28, 2008 at 19-34-25 Hrs IST at Bangalore. The lagna of the time chart was taken as the lagna of the native.@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Bhanuji,> Horary chart has to be rotated as you have mentioned.> What you express as time chart, in fact there is no chart at all What will you rotate. The ruling planets at the time of judgment reflects the urge of the astrologer. Astrologer is not changed , time is not changed. so no question of rotating the chart. If the astrologer cannot be able to complete the analysis in his first sitting, he can sit next time when he is in leisure and then he has to take the RPs at that moment ignoring those of first time. I think I am clear.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Astro Paris bhanuparis@. ..> @gro ups.com> Saturday, August 8, 2009 12:06:32 AM> Re: Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart> > > Dear All, > > Thank you for your mails with useful information.> > One addition question for the same:> > Based on the relation between the querent and the person in question, the KP Horary chart is rotated.> > So, What about Time chart that is used for RPs. Do we need to rotate also?> > Best regards> Bhanu> AstroOpenSource@ gmail.com> > Visit:http:/ /kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/> > -- > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:12 AM, VIJAYANANDPATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote:> > > >DearsHorary is the nothing but the fixation of Lagna/ascendent for the particular jataka for particular query. Suppose one jataka puts No. 1 means ascendent will be Mesh Rasi, Ketu Star, Ketu Sub, Ketu subsubbut for ruling planets, the actual rising lagna of the same time where query has been put for prediction, the star lord of the lagna will be the strongest ruling planets. As no doubt, the moon star as well as moon sign will not change.,It is further added that if the horary query will not be predicted in the first meeting, then when the same query will try, take the same number but put the recent planetory set up and accordingly ruling planets also. While predicting horary also, try to convert geographical latitudes into geocentric latitudes as it will also cause some difference in fixation of sub and especially sub sub.. It may or may not but geocentric latitudes are to be taken for casting the horoscope. It has given very best results for> so many astrologers who used to use it.With regardsVijayanand Patil, Sushilratna, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur+91/ 9422582853/ 9673746303On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:55:09 +0530 wrote>Hello all,> >RP ascendant is always taken from the time and place of Judgment. This should never be derived from the Horary seed number. >>>>Thanks,>D K B>Mob.: 91-9910048040>>>>>"Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT.">>--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Luther Rath wrote:>>>Luther Rath >Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart>@gro ups.com>Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 8:59 PM>>> >>>>>>Dear Sir,>There are two schools regarding casting horary chart. Most of us ask for a number between 1 and 249 (including both the numbers). We cast the chart taking the number as the Lagna of the query. Some astrologers immidiately sit down to study and cast a chart for the moment ther begin casting the chart. The RPs are the Ascendant> lords, the Moon lords and the day lord. The sign and star lord of Moon and the day lord obviously remain same. The Lagna differs in the first method and the second one. Which ever method one follows the rising Sign and Star are to be considered for Ruling Planets. One should not take the sign and star lord of the Ascendant obtained from the horary number.>Dr. Rath>>>>>Astro Paris >@gro ups.com>Thursday, August 6, 2009 7:35:14 AM> Ruling planets of a Horary chart>> >>Hello All, >>>I am reading the "Astro Secrete KP - Part 1" Page 266.>>>The Ruling planets are taken from the Horary chart. >>>In some other KP Readers and articles, the Ruling planets are taken from transit chart of that date, time and place.>>>The day lord, Moon Rasi lord and Moon Star lord will be the same.>But the Lagna position will be different and so the Ruling planets related Lagna are different in Horary chart and transit chart.> >>>What is the correct way to get the Ruling planets?>>-- >Bhanu Pinnamaneni>>>>http://kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket. > > > > > -- > Bhanu Pinnamaneni> > http://kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/> Looking for local information? 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Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Dear Sujata ji, 1. In a KP Horary chart with no (1-249), it is to rotate the chart to grasp the changes in signification by houses, including analysis from Moon in your case. 2. In the Time chart used as a Horary chart without no, it does not need to rotate the chart. 3. Another idea of no rotation of a KP Horary chart with no (1-249), if the qurent is so keen to know the result for the closed relatives like daughter or son, could be tried. Regards, tw , sujata das <sujatadash1 wrote: > > Dear TWji > Working on horary charts for my daughter, I have found the moons analysis a better guide as to whether to rotate the chart or not. > Regards > Sujata > > > > > ________________________________ > tw853 <tw853 > > Sunday, 9 August, 2009 7:25:14 AM > Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart > > > Vijay Kumar in KPE-zine November 2008 > One of my friends whose wife was hospitalized because of a severe sickness approached me to find if the native was destined to survive. I replied by looking to some transits, though I wanted to be sure by KP analysis. In the evening, with the question in mind " Will the native survive? " , I casted an time chart on Sep 28, 2008 at 19-34-25 Hrs IST at Bangalore. The lagna of the time chart was taken as the lagna of the native. > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhanuji, > > Horary chart has to be rotated as you have mentioned. > > What you express as time chart, in fact there is no chart at all What will you rotate. The ruling planets at the time of judgment reflects the urge of the astrologer. Astrologer is not changed , time is not changed. so no question of rotating the chart. If the astrologer cannot be able to complete the analysis in his first sitting, he can sit next time when he is in leisure and then he has to take the RPs at that moment ignoring those of first time. I think I am clear. > > Dr. Rath > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Astro Paris bhanuparis@ .. > > @gro ups.com > > Saturday, August 8, 2009 12:06:32 AM > > Re: Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Thank you for your mails with useful information. > > > > One addition question for the same: > > > > Based on the relation between the querent and the person in question, the KP Horary chart is rotated. > > > > So, What about Time chart that is used for RPs. Do we need to rotate also? > > > > Best regards > > Bhanu > > AstroOpenSource@ gmail.com > > > > Visit:http:/ /kpmuhurat.. sourceforge. net/ > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:12 AM, VIJAYANANDPATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote: > > > > > > >DearsHorary is the nothing but the fixation of Lagna/ascendent for the particular jataka for particular query. Suppose one jataka puts No. 1 means ascendent will be Mesh Rasi, Ketu Star, Ketu Sub, Ketu subsubbut for ruling planets, the actual rising lagna of the same time where query has been put for prediction, the star lord of the lagna will be the strongest ruling planets. As no doubt, the moon star as well as moon sign will not change.,It is further added that if the horary query will not be predicted in the first meeting, then when the same query will try, take the same number but put the recent planetory set up and accordingly ruling planets also. While predicting horary also, try to convert geographical latitudes into geocentric latitudes as it will also cause some difference in fixation of sub and especially sub sub. It may or may not but geocentric latitudes are to be taken for casting the horoscope. It has given very best results for > > so many astrologers who used to use it.With regardsVijayanand Patil, Sushilratna, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur+91/ 9422582853/ 9673746303On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:55:09 +0530 wrote>Hello all,> >RP ascendant is always taken from the time and place of Judgment. This should never be derived from the Horary seed number. >>>>Thanks,>D K B>Mob.: 91-9910048040>>>>> " Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT. " >>--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Luther Rath wrote:>>> Luther Rath >Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart>To: @gro ups.com>Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 8:59 PM>>> >>>>>>Dear Sir,>There are two schools regarding casting horary chart. Most of us ask for a number between 1 and 249 (including both the numbers). We cast the chart taking the number as the Lagna of the query. Some astrologers immidiately sit down to study and cast a chart for the moment ther begin casting the chart. The RPs are the Ascendant > > lords, the Moon lords and the day lord. The sign and star lord of Moon and the day lord obviously remain same. The Lagna differs in the first method and the second one. Which ever method one follows the rising Sign and Star are to be considered for Ruling Planets. One should not take the sign and star lord of the Ascendant obtained from the horary number.>Dr. Rath>>>>>Astro Paris >To: @gro ups.com>Thursday, August 6, 2009 7:35:14 AM>Subject: Ruling planets of a Horary chart>> >>Hello All, >>>I am reading the " Astro Secrete KP - Part 1 " Page 266.>>>The Ruling planets are taken from the Horary chart. >>>In some other KP Readers and articles, the Ruling planets are taken from transit chart of that date, time and place.>>>The day lord, Moon Rasi lord and Moon Star lord will be the same.>But the Lagna position will be different and so the Ruling planets related Lagna are different in Horary chart and transit chart.. > > >>>What is the correct way to get the Ruling planets?>>-- >Bhanu Pinnamaneni>>>>http://kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. 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Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Dear Sujata, Very recently I had given the correct method of verifying the TOB...as per K.P.,as recommended by our revered Guruji Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji... Such verification(and arriving at the EXACT TOB,) is possible ONLY with K.P, provided only K.P. Ayanamsa is used... You are requested to stick to this well-tried method,try it out in a number of cases and compare the results with those of J.Hora and other SW's.,(I have J.Hora but I seldom use it,as my experience with it was not very satisfactory,neither is the experience of quite a few K.P. followers.)... Pl. also read about how Guruji's daughter,then very young,used to stun people who came to consult him by telling them their Birth star,Rasi,Lagna Sign etc., This tells us a lot about K.P. & RPs...the greatest discovery of the past 50 years in astrology...by KSK...! With best wishes, Yogesh Lajmi GOOD LUCK ! sujata das <sujatadash1 Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 1:43:21 PMRe: Ruling planets of a Horary chart Dear TWjiWorking on horary charts for my daughter, I have found the moons analysis a better guide as to whether to rotate the chart or not.RegardsSujata tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comSunday, 9 August, 2009 7:25:14 AMRe: Ruling planets of a Horary chart Vijay Kumar in KPE-zine November 2008One of my friends whose wife was hospitalized because of a severe sickness approached me to find if the native was destined to survive. I replied by looking to some transits, though I wanted to be sure by KP analysis. In the evening, with the question in mind "Will the native survive?", I casted an time chart on Sep 28, 2008 at 19-34-25 Hrs IST at Bangalore. The lagna of the time chart was taken as the lagna of the native.@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Bhanuji,> Horary chart has to be rotated as you have mentioned.> What you express as time chart, in fact there is no chart at all What will you rotate. The ruling planets at the time of judgment reflects the urge of the astrologer. Astrologer is not changed , time is not changed. so no question of rotating the chart. If the astrologer cannot be able to complete the analysis in his first sitting, he can sit next time when he is in leisure and then he has to take the RPs at that moment ignoring those of first time. I think I am clear.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Astro Paris bhanuparis@. ..> @gro ups.com> Saturday, August 8, 2009 12:06:32 AM> Re: Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart> > > Dear All, > > Thank you for your mails with useful information.> > One addition question for the same:> > Based on the relation between the querent and the person in question, the KP Horary chart is rotated.> > So, What about Time chart that is used for RPs. Do we need to rotate also?> > Best regards> Bhanu> AstroOpenSource@ gmail.com> > Visit:http:/ /kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/> > -- > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:12 AM, VIJAYANANDPATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote:> > > >DearsHorary is the nothing but the fixation of Lagna/ascendent for the particular jataka for particular query. Suppose one jataka puts No. 1 means ascendent will be Mesh Rasi, Ketu Star, Ketu Sub, Ketu subsubbut for ruling planets, the actual rising lagna of the same time where query has been put for prediction, the star lord of the lagna will be the strongest ruling planets. As no doubt, the moon star as well as moon sign will not change.,It is further added that if the horary query will not be predicted in the first meeting, then when the same query will try, take the same number but put the recent planetory set up and accordingly ruling planets also. While predicting horary also, try to convert geographical latitudes into geocentric latitudes as it will also cause some difference in fixation of sub and especially sub sub.. It may or may not but geocentric latitudes are to be taken for casting the horoscope. It has given very best results for> so many astrologers who used to use it.With regardsVijayanand Patil, Sushilratna, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur+91/ 9422582853/ 9673746303On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:55:09 +0530 wrote>Hello all,> >RP ascendant is always taken from the time and place of Judgment. This should never be derived from the Horary seed number. >>>>Thanks,>D K B>Mob.: 91-9910048040>>>>>"Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT.">>--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Luther Rath wrote:>>>Luther Rath >Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart>To: @gro ups.com>Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 8:59 PM>>> >>>>>>Dear Sir,>There are two schools regarding casting horary chart. Most of us ask for a number between 1 and 249 (including both the numbers). We cast the chart taking the number as the Lagna of the query. Some astrologers immidiately sit down to study and cast a chart for the moment ther begin casting the chart. The RPs are the Ascendant> lords, the Moon lords and the day lord. The sign and star lord of Moon and the day lord obviously remain same. The Lagna differs in the first method and the second one. Which ever method one follows the rising Sign and Star are to be considered for Ruling Planets. One should not take the sign and star lord of the Ascendant obtained from the horary number.>Dr. Rath>>>>>Astro Paris >@gro ups.com>Thursday, August 6, 2009 7:35:14 AM> Ruling planets of a Horary chart>> >>Hello All, >>>I am reading the "Astro Secrete KP - Part 1" Page 266.>>>The Ruling planets are taken from the Horary chart. >>>In some other KP Readers and articles, the Ruling planets are taken from transit chart of that date, time and place.>>>The day lord, Moon Rasi lord and Moon Star lord will be the same.>But the Lagna position will be different and so the Ruling planets related Lagna are different in Horary chart and transit chart.> >>>What is the correct way to get the Ruling planets?>>-- >Bhanu Pinnamaneni>>>>http://kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket. > > > > > -- > Bhanu Pinnamaneni> > http://kpmuhurat. sourceforge.. net/> Looking for local information? 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Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Respected Sir, I have saw your photo published in Kp Ezine and gone through the articles which you have written in the same. I salute you as the original disciple of Krishnamurti Padhati having sound knowledge of all allied astrological methods. You have availed your full life to the upliftment of the KP astrology. Otherwise this point would not have been brought to the notice of everyone. Using or not using geocentric lat. is left to the astrologers but by the method what sub and especially sub sub comes whether it is dependable for sensative predictions or not, it is to take into consideration. Or otherwise if we insist to use it or if we insist not to use it, if the sub or sub sub change then predictions will go wrong and KP astrological science will be blamed. And honest disciple of KP astrological science will not expect it. I truly salute to your kind wisdom and pray LORD UCHIST MAHAGANAPATHI to give you full life span of time so as you to guide as the path light. With Kind regards Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur +91/ 9422582853/ 9673746303O On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 19:31:25 +0530 wrote > Abstract from GEOGRAPHIC OR GEOCENTRIC.doc in the File section of this group 6. Shri Raichur's SW uses the Geocentric latitude. It converts the Geographic latitude from the atlas to the Geocentric one and gives the cuspal positions for the Geocentric longitude of birth place. Now it is understandable why is the difference in the cuspal positions given by Shri Raichur's SW for the Geocentric latitude and other KP SWs for the Geographic latitude of birth place as per default setting. Other SWs will also use the Geocentric latitude by choosing the Geocentric option or Geocentric Correction option. 7. Nowadays there is a tendency of preferring Geocentric latitude of a place of birth other than Geographic latitude. So the Geocentric latitude option or Geocentric correction is incorporated in many SWs like KPAstro 3.0, Astraura, Jyotishya Deepika, Astracadabra, Solar Fire etc. 9. (d) The way of measuring the Geographic latitude seems in line what is required for the calculation of house cusps and the Geocentric latitude may not fulfill this condition. One may wonder if the Geocentric positions of all planets are used, why to use the Geographic latitude of birth place? The difference is that all planets are moving in the sky to measure from the center of earth but the birth place is located on earth at different levels from sea. Also N Blunsdon points out in "Low Thoughts on High Latitudes" that the angle, which determines the Ascendant, is much more accurately given by Geographic latitude than by Geocentric latitude. (Geoffrey Dean: Recent Advances in Natal Astrology); 10. ...I use and prefer the Geographic latitude as it is commonly used and well tested but I keep my mind open to experiment with the application of Geocentric latitude correction. , Dharmendra Kumar wrote: > > Hello Vijayanand, > > Yopu are absolutely correct. But I am sorry to say that 90% astrologers including followers of KSK also not use Geocentric latitude in their calculations. There is a few software which has provision for conversion of geographical latitude into Geocentric latitude. Cusp calculated based on Geocentric latitude is more accurate and thus gives completely correct psitions of Planets as well as Bhyava. > > I hope in future software will be equiped with this tool. > > > Thanks, > D K B > Mob.: 91-9910048040 > > > > > "Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT." > > --- On Fri, 7/8/09, VIJAYANANDPATIL wrote: > > > VIJAYANANDPATIL > Re: Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart > > Cc: kdbhaskar7 > Friday, 7 August, 2009, 11:42 AM > > > > > > > DearsHorary is the nothing but the fixation of Lagna/ascendent for the particular jataka for particular query. Suppose one jataka puts No. 1 means ascendent will be Mesh Rasi, Ketu Star, Ketu Sub, Ketu subsubbut for ruling planets, the actual rising lagna of the same time where query has been put for prediction, the star lord of the lagna will be the strongest ruling planets. As no doubt, the moon star as well as moon sign will not change.,It is further added that if the horary query will not be predicted in the first meeting, then when the same query will try, take the same number but put the recent planetory set up and accordingly ruling planets also. While predicting horary also, try to convert geographical latitudes into geocentric latitudes as it will also cause some difference in fixation of sub and especially sub sub. It may or may not but geocentric latitudes are to be taken for casting the horoscope. It has given very best results for so > many astrologers who used to use it.With regardsVijayanand Patil, Sushilratna, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur+91/ 9422582853/ 9673746303On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:55:09 +0530 wrote>Hello all,> >RP ascendant is always taken from the time and place of Judgment. This should never be derived from the Horary seed number. >>>>Thanks,> D K B>Mob.: 91-9910048040> >>>>"Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT.">>--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Luther Rath wrote:>>>Luther Rath >Re: Ruling planets of a Horary chart>@gro ups.com>Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 8:59 PM>>> >>>>>>Dear Sir,>There are two schools regarding casting horary chart. Most of us ask for a number between 1 and 249 (including both the numbers). We cast the chart taking the number as the Lagna of the query. Some astrologers immidiately sit down to study and cast a chart for the moment ther begin casting the chart. The RPs are the Ascendant > lords, the Moon lords and the day lord. The sign and star lord of Moon and the day lord obviously remain same. The Lagna differs in the first method and the second one. Which ever method one follows the rising Sign and Star are to be considered for Ruling Planets. One should not take the sign and star lord of the Ascendant obtained from the horary number.>Dr. Rath>>>>>Astro Paris >@gro ups.com>Thursday, August 6, 2009 7:35:14 AM> Ruling planets of a Horary chart>> >>Hello All, >>>I am reading the "Astro Secrete KP - Part 1" Page 266.>>>The Ruling planets are taken from the Horary chart. >>>In some other KP Readers and articles, the Ruling planets are taken from transit chart of that date, time and place.>>>The day lord, Moon Rasi lord and Moon Star lord will be the same.>But the Lagna position will be different and so the Ruling planets related Lagna are different in Horary chart and transit chart. > >>>What is the correct way to get the Ruling planets?>>-- >Bhanu Pinnamaneni> >>>http:/ /kpmuhurat. sourceforge. net/>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. 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