Corrct Birth Time

August 15, 2009

Dear members!

Most of the Horoscopes prepared on the basis of recorded Birth Time need rectification. Twins can born within seconds and hence the accuracy is must.

The true horoscope has to be unique for each individual. It should simulate conditions to reflect the nativeâ€™s individuality, personality, state of health, longevity, virtues, name & fame, capacity to face struggle of life, social, financial, marital, educational as well as professional status. It is therefore, imperative that we need to place the correct degree, minutes and seconds on each of the 12 cuspal positions.

What the Time of Birth is known to you may be correct generally. However, the time that the incarnating soul chooses to take possession of a particular body in a particular family in a particular circumstances based on its past karmas is called the Astrological Birth Time. Medical staffs have no capacity to know this. It is the responsibility of the Astrologer to fix it and construct the True Horoscope of the native.

To construct a true natal chart itself tests the capability and patience of the astrologer. It is an Herculean task. Expertis in the subject and on the basis of Cusp Interlinks Theory you can can correct horoscope upto seconds.

Thanks,D K BMob.: 91-9910048040

"Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT."--- On Sat, 15/8/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Corrct Birth Time Date: Saturday, 15 August, 2009, 6:34 AM

Dear Sujataji,

Good Morning.

A baby born dead will never recover. Where is the necesity of abirth time or horoscope?

Still born baby means the baby is alive but does not take respiration. It may recover after resusitation and live healthy. Some times it may not. Now it is up to the individual astrologer which time you accept as real birth time, the time when the baby comes out of the woumb or the time when it respires. Controversy still exists among seniors too.

Dr. Rath

sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in>@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 4:02:12 PMRe: Re: Corrct Birth Time

Dear LajmijiWhat are the lagna's significations of a still-born (dead) child? Will it be wrong to call it a birth ?RegardsSujata

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >@gro ups.comCc: tw853 <tw853 >Friday, 14 August, 2009 2:18:00 AMRe: Re: Corrct Birth Time

Dear TW,

Pl. desist from justifying wrong interpretations made by you...using wrong rferences just to justify your wrong statement... PLEASE RE READ K.P. READERS...

If what Satyacharya and you say is corect,how do you know whether the child is alive or not ? ? !

Yogesh Lajmi

GOOD LUCK !

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 8:19:46 AM Re: Corrct Birth Time

Dear Friends,1. Since Guruji KSK wrote in p 88 first para of KP Reader VI, that the birth time is "the moment the whole body of the child has got separated from that of mother", how come one is still saying "first cry" is the KP birth time said by Guruji KSK..2.. It is the same as said by Satyacharya in Satya Jatakam, that there are three moments which can be taken as birth time:1) Adhana lagna the moment of conception2) Siro darshana lagna when the head becomes visible3) Bhu patana lagna when the body touches the earthAs the first two moments are hard to ascertain, he said to take the third one only. In earlier days women in India didn't lay down to give birth but squatted holding on to a rope or other means of support during the labor. Hence when the child actually came out of the body it would touch the earth and that was recorded as the time of birth, i.e the time when the baby's body wholly leaves the mother's

body.3. In the experience of Sunaparantha ji and Vijhay ji, birth time in the hospital BC is not the first cry.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Tin Win,> I am sorry Tin Win,I cannot agree with you at all...the body of a child can get completely separated from the mother,even if it not alive...a still-born child...that is why we must take the time of the first cry/first breath,ensuring that the child is alive...! > Further,you are quoting from

whatever is written which applies only to a horary chart...and ONLY to the erection of a horary chart... ! !> Also, the VIth reader(11th Edition,2007) , deals with ONLY Horary Astrology... . ! ! !> As per our late Guruji, one cannot rely upon the Time of Birth given by the mother/doctor/ midwife etc for a variety of reasons...however, the time of te first cry of the child is the time closest to that of his first breath...> That is to be taken as the exact TOB...if such a noting is not possible,then note down the Ruling Planets at the time of sitting for

analysis,and find out the sign,star,sub, sub-sub of the Moon...and as given above in a seperate note,and then insert these in the place of Signlord,starlord, sublord,subsublo rd of the ASCENDANT and adjust the time to arrive at the EXACT TOB.... a reference to Guruji's daughter telling a caller on the phone his Birth star within a few seconds....( using this method) is given in K.P. Reader VI, p.138 ,itsef. ...> When I was studying K.P., Revered Guruji KSK,used to give numerous such examples to students present in the class...especially while discussing Ruling Planets and their importance.. .> Pl. do not forget,that it was this very discovery made Guruji

and K.P., famous...! !> Pl refer to my note a few days ago on this very site...on the same subject...> With kind regards,> Yogesh Lajmi.> >

GOOD LUCK. !> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> tw853 <tw853> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:42:34 PM> Re: Corrct Birth Time> > > Dear Sunaparantha ji,> 1. This group has been misinformed the 'first cry' to be the KP birth time mentioned by Guruji KSK.> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 23074> http://groups. / / group/k_p_ system/message/ 2318> 2. The birth time what really mentioned by Guruji KSK is "the moment the whole body of the child has got separated from that of mother" in p 88 first para of KP Reader VI, as you had experienced.> Regards,> tw> > @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:>

>> > Dear all Friends.> > > > As all you know last Sunday I was under an Eye Surgery in a Nursing Home.> > There I had a rare chance to decide (hear) the correct Birth Time of a new born baby with his first crying in this world.> > I was taken in to the Operation Theater preparation room at 8.00 am. At that time there were some patients who were prepared for surgeries. Among them I saw an expecting lady prepared on a trolley and while I was preparing for my surgery by a Sister by applying some medicine in to my eyes I saw that lady was taking in to the theater.> > > > After about 15 minutes time I saw with my half naked eyes(due to medicine) a Sister was taking something like a piece of wood by her hand and kept it on a lighted machine which was in my front and sooner I was able to identify what the sister has brought. It is a naked body of a new born Baby. I was difficult to see

any thing clearly at that moment but with the curiosity, I tried my best to see what they were doing. I saw, they entered a tube in to the mouth of the baby and sucked some liquid like phlegmy and at once the the baby began to cry.> > > > The saying of Guruji, the correct Birth Time of a baby is the time of first crying, came to my mind. But no one cared of the TIME of crying!... due to the ignorance ...> > > > After sometime another lady came with a form and asked for the sex of tha baby to fill in the form. The Sister with the machine replied "It is a Girl, Girl" and asked did you get the time? Then the second lady replied, "Yes I got".> > > > No question the time she has taken is the time of taking out the baby from her mother's womb by the Doctor, instead of the Astrologically correct Time.... ie the Time of first cry.> > According to me the time difference of these two incidents

of taking out the baby from the womb and crying is about 10-15 minutes.> > This is not the first and last case of noting the incorrect time of birh of new born in this world. So as Kp Astrologers we have to put our great attention to the correct BT, when we under go any predictions.> > > > This small experience is only for the interest and information of our members.> > > > Kalyan> >>

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August 15, 2009

Dear Luther,

In K.P., there is no controversy at all,over what is the correct TOB...It has been settled beyond doubt that the time of the first breath is the correct TOB, on numerous occasions than no less a person that the inventor of Krishnamurthi Padhdhati., and our revered Guruji, Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji...

I do not understand why this needless controversy is being raised at regular intervals...perhaps it is due to not having read the 6 Readers of K.P., properly and understood them and more inportantly, DIGESTING the contents properly...I have seen this phenomenon regularly with new converts to K.P., from the Traditional System...perhaps there still remains some Traditional hangover...very difficult to get rid of...as it is ingrained so strongly... ! Yogesh Lajmi.

GOOD LUCK !

Luther Rath <rathluther Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 6:34:46 AMRe: Re: Corrct Birth Time

Dear Sujataji,

Good Morning.

A baby born dead will never recover. Where is the necesity of abirth time or horoscope?

Still born baby means the baby is alive but does not take respiration. It may recover after resusitation and live healthy. Some times it may not. Now it is up to the individual astrologer which time you accept as real birth time, the time when the baby comes out of the woumb or the time when it respires. Controversy still exists among seniors too.

Dr. Rath

sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in>@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 4:02:12 PMRe: Re: Corrct Birth Time

Dear LajmijiWhat are the lagna's significations of a still-born (dead) child? Will it be wrong to call it a birth ?RegardsSujata

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >@gro ups.comCc: tw853 <tw853 >Friday, 14 August, 2009 2:18:00 AMRe: Re: Corrct Birth Time

Dear TW,

Pl. desist from justifying wrong interpretations made by you...using wrong rferences just to justify your wrong statement... PLEASE RE READ K.P. READERS...

If what Satyacharya and you say is corect,how do you know whether the child is alive or not ? ? !

Yogesh Lajmi

GOOD LUCK !

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 8:19:46 AM Re: Corrct Birth Time

Dear Friends,1. Since Guruji KSK wrote in p 88 first para of KP Reader VI, that the birth time is "the moment the whole body of the child has got separated from that of mother", how come one is still saying "first cry" is the KP birth time said by Guruji KSK..2.. It is the same as said by Satyacharya in Satya Jatakam, that there are three moments which can be taken as birth time:1) Adhana lagna the moment of conception2) Siro darshana lagna when the head becomes visible3) Bhu patana lagna when the body touches the earthAs the first two moments are hard to ascertain, he said to take the third one only. In earlier days women in India didn't lay down to give birth but squatted holding on to a rope or other means of support during the labor. Hence when the child actually came out of the body it would touch the earth and that was recorded as the time of birth, i.e the time when the baby's body wholly leaves the mother's body.3.

In the experience of Sunaparantha ji and Vijhay ji, birth time in the hospital BC is not the first cry.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Tin Win,> I am sorry Tin Win,I cannot agree with you at all...the body of a child can get completely separated from the mother,even if it not alive...a still-born child...that is why we must take the time of the first cry/first breath,ensuring that the child is alive...! > Further,you are quoting from whatever is written which applies only to a horary

chart...and ONLY to the erection of a horary chart... ! !> Also, the VIth reader(11th Edition,2007) , deals with ONLY Horary Astrology... . ! ! !> As per our late Guruji, one cannot rely upon the Time of Birth given by the mother/doctor/ midwife etc for a variety of reasons...however, the time of te first cry of the child is the time closest to that of his first breath...> That is to be taken as the exact TOB...if such a noting is not possible,then note down the Ruling Planets at the time of sitting for analysis,and find out the sign,star,sub, sub-sub of the

Moon...and as given above in a seperate note,and then insert these in the place of Signlord,starlord, sublord,subsublo rd of the ASCENDANT and adjust the time to arrive at the EXACT TOB.... a reference to Guruji's daughter telling a caller on the phone his Birth star within a few seconds.....( using this method) is given in K.P. Reader VI, p.138 ,itsef. ...> When I was studying K.P., Revered Guruji KSK,used to give numerous such examples to students present in the class...especially while discussing Ruling Planets and their importance.. .> Pl. do not forget,that it was this very discovery made Guruji and K.P., famous...! !>

Pl refer to my note a few days ago on this very site...on the same subject...> With kind regards,> Yogesh Lajmi.> >

GOOD LUCK. !> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> tw853 <tw853> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:42:34 PM> Re: Corrct Birth Time> > > Dear Sunaparantha ji,> 1. This group has been misinformed the 'first cry' to be the KP birth time mentioned by Guruji KSK.> http://groups.. ..com/ group/k_p_ system/message/ 23074> http://groups. / / group/k_p_ system/message/ 2318> 2. The birth time what really mentioned by Guruji KSK is "the moment the whole body of the child has got separated from that of mother" in p 88 first para of KP Reader VI, as you had experienced.> Regards,> tw> > @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:>

>> > Dear all Friends.> > > > As all you know last Sunday I was under an Eye Surgery in a Nursing Home.> > There I had a rare chance to decide (hear) the correct Birth Time of a new born baby with his first crying in this world.> > I was taken in to the Operation Theater preparation room at 8.00 am. At that time there were some patients who were prepared for surgeries. Among them I saw an expecting lady prepared on a trolley and while I was preparing for my surgery by a Sister by applying some medicine in to my eyes I saw that lady was taking in to the theater.> > > > After about 15 minutes time I saw with my half naked eyes(due to medicine) a Sister was taking something like a piece of wood by her hand and kept it on a lighted machine which was in my front and sooner I was able to identify what the sister has brought. It is a naked body of a new born Baby. I was difficult to see

any thing clearly at that moment but with the curiosity, I tried my best to see what they were doing. I saw, they entered a tube in to the mouth of the baby and sucked some liquid like phlegmy and at once the the baby began to cry.> > > > The saying of Guruji, the correct Birth Time of a baby is the time of first crying, came to my mind. But no one cared of the TIME of crying!... due to the ignorance ...> > > > After sometime another lady came with a form and asked for the sex of tha baby to fill in the form. The Sister with the machine replied "It is a Girl, Girl" and asked did you get the time? Then the second lady replied, "Yes I got".> > > > No question the time she has taken is the time of taking out the baby from her mother's womb by the Doctor, instead of the Astrologically correct Time.... ie the Time of first cry.> > According to me the time difference of these two incidents

of taking out the baby from the womb and crying is about 10-15 minutes.> > This is not the first and last case of noting the incorrect time of birh of new born in this world. So as Kp Astrologers we have to put our great attention to the correct BT, when we under go any predictions.> > > > This small experience is only for the interest and information of our members.> > > > Kalyan> >>

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August 15, 2009

Dear Dharmendra ji,

I have my own theory of BTR which can correct birth time up to fraction of second. What is the proof? Is there any?

My point is that claiming that " Expertis in the subject and on the basis of Cusp Interlinks Theory you can can correct horoscope upto seconds. " is very easy without any proof. Proving a theory is difficult and till today I have not seen " a single successful prediction " in this forum using Cuspal Interlinks.

Please see my earlier email to you /message/26318 and want to remind you to participate in the quiz. I can assure you that we will not be juding by single quiz, as I can understand that there are many variables in a successful predictions. But someone need to try " Cuspal Interlinks " to put it forward. This quiz and coming quizzes will be good opportunity to show what is cuspal interlink theory all about. Just saying is not enough in astrology.

I would again request to follower to all the systems to participate in the quizzes. This will give us good opportunity to see what works and what doesn't.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Dharmendra Kumar <kdbhaskar7 wrote:

Dear members! Most of the Horoscopes prepared on the basis of recorded Birth Time need rectification. Twins can born within seconds and hence the accuracy is must.

The true horoscope has to be unique for each individual. It should simulate conditions to reflect the native’s individuality, personality, state of health, longevity, virtues, name & fame, capacity to face struggle of life, social, financial, marital, educational as well as professional status. It is therefore, imperative that we need to place the correct degree, minutes and seconds on each of the 12 cuspal positions. What the Time of Birth is known to you may be correct generally. However, the time that the incarnating soul chooses to take possession of a particular body in a particular family in a particular circumstances based on its past karmas is called the Astrological Birth Time. Medical staffs have no capacity to know this. It is the responsibility of the Astrologer to fix it and construct the True Horoscope of the native.

To construct a true natal chart itself tests the capability and patience of the astrologer. It is an Herculean task. Expertis in the subject and on the basis of Cusp Interlinks Theory you can can correct horoscope upto seconds.

Thanks,D K BMob.: 91-9910048040

" Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT. "

--- On Sat, 15/8/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther Re: Re: Corrct Birth Time

Date: Saturday, 15 August, 2009, 6:34 AM

Dear Sujataji,

Good Morning.

A baby born dead will never recover. Where is the necesity of abirth time or horoscope?

Still born baby means the baby is alive but does not take respiration. It may recover after resusitation and live healthy. Some times it may not. Now it is up to the individual astrologer which time you accept as real birth time, the time when the baby comes out of the woumb or the time when it respires. Controversy still exists among seniors too.

Dr. Rath

sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in>

@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 4:02:12 PM

Re: Re: Corrct Birth Time

Dear LajmijiWhat are the lagna's significations of a still-born (dead) child? Will it be wrong to call it a birth ?RegardsSujata

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >@gro ups.com

Cc: tw853 <tw853 >Friday, 14 August, 2009 2:18:00 AMRe: Re: Corrct Birth Time

Dear TW,

Pl. desist from justifying wrong interpretations made by you...using wrong rferences just to justify your wrong statement... PLEASE RE READ K.P. READERS...

If what Satyacharya and you say is corect,how do you know whether the child is alive or not ? ? !

Yogesh Lajmi

GOOD LUCK !

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 8:19:46 AM

Re: Corrct Birth Time

Dear Friends,1. Since Guruji KSK wrote in p 88 first para of KP Reader VI, that the birth time is " the moment the whole body of the child has got separated from that of mother " , how come one is still saying " first cry " is the KP birth time said by Guruji KSK..

2.. It is the same as said by Satyacharya in Satya Jatakam, that there are three moments which can be taken as birth time:1) Adhana lagna the moment of conception2) Siro darshana lagna when the head becomes visible

3) Bhu patana lagna when the body touches the earthAs the first two moments are hard to ascertain, he said to take the third one only. In earlier days women in India didn't lay down to give birth but squatted holding on to a rope or other means of support during the labor. Hence when the child actually came out of the body it would touch the earth and that was recorded as the time of birth, i.e the time when the baby's body wholly leaves the mother's body.

3. In the experience of Sunaparantha ji and Vijhay ji, birth time in the hospital BC is not the first cry.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:

>> Dear Tin Win,> I am sorry Tin Win,I cannot agree with you at all...the body of a child can get completely separated from the mother,even if it not alive...a still-born child...that is why we must take the time of the first cry/first breath,ensuring that the child is alive...!

> Further,you are quoting from whatever is written which applies only to a horary chart...and ONLY to the erection of a horary chart... ! !> Also, the VIth reader(11th Edition,2007) , deals with ONLY Horary Astrology... . ! ! !

> As per our late Guruji, one cannot rely upon the Time of Birth given by the mother/doctor/ midwife etc for a variety of reasons...however, the time of te first cry of the child is the time closest to that of his first breath...

> That is to be taken as the exact TOB...if such a noting is not possible,then note down the Ruling Planets at the time of sitting for analysis,and find out the sign,star,sub, sub-sub of the Moon...and as given above in a seperate note,and then insert these in the place of Signlord,starlord, sublord,subsublo rd of the ASCENDANT and adjust the time to arrive at the EXACT TOB.... a reference to Guruji's daughter telling a caller on the phone his Birth star within a few seconds....( using this method) is given in K.P. Reader VI, p.138 ,itsef. ...

> When I was studying K.P., Revered Guruji KSK,used to give numerous such examples to students present in the class...especially while discussing Ruling Planets and their importance.. .> Pl. do not forget,that it was this very discovery made Guruji and K.P., famous...! !

> Pl refer to my note a few days ago on this very site...on the same subject...> With kind regards,> Yogesh Lajmi.> > GOOD LUCK. !

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> tw853 <tw853> @gro ups.com

> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:42:34 PM> Re: Corrct Birth Time> > > Dear Sunaparantha ji,> 1. This group has been misinformed the 'first cry' to be the KP birth time mentioned by Guruji KSK.

> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 23074> http://groups. / / group/k_p_ system/message/ 2318

> 2. The birth time what really mentioned by Guruji KSK is " the moment the whole body of the child has got separated from that of mother " in p 88 first para of KP Reader VI, as you had experienced.> Regards,

> tw> > @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear all Friends.

> > > > As all you know last Sunday I was under an Eye Surgery in a Nursing Home.> > There I had a rare chance to decide (hear) the correct Birth Time of a new born baby with his first crying in this world.

> > I was taken in to the Operation Theater preparation room at 8.00 am. At that time there were some patients who were prepared for surgeries. Among them I saw an expecting lady prepared on a trolley and while I was preparing for my surgery by a Sister by applying some medicine in to my eyes I saw that lady was taking in to the theater.

> > > > After about 15 minutes time I saw with my half naked eyes(due to medicine) a Sister was taking something like a piece of wood by her hand and kept it on a lighted machine which was in my front and sooner I was able to identify what the sister has brought. It is a naked body of a new born Baby. I was difficult to see any thing clearly at that moment but with the curiosity, I tried my best to see what they were doing. I saw, they entered a tube in to the mouth of the baby and sucked some liquid like phlegmy and at once the the baby began to cry.

> > > > The saying of Guruji, the correct Birth Time of a baby is the time of first crying, came to my mind. But no one cared of the TIME of crying!... due to the ignorance ...> > > > After sometime another lady came with a form and asked for the sex of tha baby to fill in the form. The Sister with the machine replied " It is a Girl, Girl " and asked did you get the time? Then the second lady replied, " Yes I got " .

> > > > No question the time she has taken is the time of taking out the baby from her mother's womb by the Doctor, instead of the Astrologically correct Time.... ie the Time of first cry.> > According to me the time difference of these two incidents of taking out the baby from the womb and crying is about 10-15 minutes.

> > This is not the first and last case of noting the incorrect time of birh of new born in this world. So as Kp Astrologers we have to put our great attention to the correct BT, when we under go any predictions.

> > > > This small experience is only for the interest and information of our members.> > > > Kalyan> >>

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August 15, 2009

Respected Members,

Sirs,

Sorry for raising the dust. Instead of clearing the topic, the discussion has

blurred the vision.

regards,

sujatkaram-- In , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Dharmendra ji,

>

> I have my own theory of BTR which can correct birth time up to fraction of

> second. What is the proof? Is there any?

>

> My point is that claiming that " Expertis in the subject and on the basis of

> Cusp Interlinks Theory you can can correct horoscope upto seconds. " is very

> easy without any proof. Proving a theory is difficult and *till today I have

> not seen " a single successful prediction " in this forum using Cuspal

> Interlinks*.

>

> Please see my earlier email to you

> /message/26318 and want to remind

> you to participate in the quiz. I can assure you that we will not be juding

> by single quiz, as I can understand that there are many variables in a

> successful predictions. But someone need to try " Cuspal Interlinks " to put

> it forward. This quiz and coming quizzes will be good opportunity to show

> what is cuspal interlink theory all about. Just saying is not enough in

> astrology.

>

> *I would again request to follower to all the systems to participate in the

> quizzes. This will give us good opportunity to see what works and what

> doesn't.*

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Dharmendra Kumar

> <kdbhaskar7wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear members!

> >

> > Most of the Horoscopes prepared on the basis of recorded Birth Time need

> > rectification. Twins can born within seconds and hence the accuracy is must.

> >

> > *The true horoscope has to be unique for each individual.* It should

> > simulate conditions to reflect the native's individuality, personality,

> > state of health, longevity, virtues, name & fame, capacity to face struggle

> > of life, social, financial, marital, educational as well as professional

> > status. It is therefore, imperative that we need to place the correct

> > degree, minutes and seconds on each of the 12 cuspal positions.

> >

> > What the Time of Birth is known to you may be correct generally. However,

> > the time that the incarnating soul chooses to take possession of a

> > particular body in a particular family in a particular circumstances based

> > on its past karmas is called the *Astrological Birth Time*. Medical staffs

> > have no capacity to know this. It is the responsibility of the Astrologer to

> > fix it and construct the *True Horoscope* of the native.

> > To construct a true natal chart itself tests the capability and patience of

> > the astrologer. It is an Herculean task. Expertis in the subject and on the

> > basis of Cusp Interlinks Theory you can can correct horoscope upto seconds.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > D K B

> > Mob.: 91-9910048040

> >

> > **

> > ** " Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT. "

> >

> > --- On *Sat, 15/8/09, Luther Rath <rathluther* wrote:

> >

> > Luther Rath <rathluther

> > Re: Re: Corrct Birth Time

> >

> > Saturday, 15 August, 2009, 6:34 AM

> >

> > *Dear Sujataji,*

> > *Good Morning.*

> > *A baby born dead will never recover. Where is the necesity of abirth time

> > or horoscope?*

> > *Still born baby means the baby is alive but does not take respiration. It

> > may recover after resusitation and live healthy. Some times it may not. Now

> > it is up to the individual astrologer which time you accept as real birth

> > time, the time when the baby comes out of the woumb or the time when it

> > respires. Controversy still exists among seniors too.*

> > *Dr. Rath*

> >

> > ------------------------------

> > ** sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in>

> > *To:* @gro ups.com

> > *Sent:* Friday, August 14, 2009 4:02:12 PM

> > *Subject:* Re: Re: Corrct Birth Time

> >

> > Dear Lajmiji

> > What are the lagna's significations of a still-born (dead) child? Will it

> > be wrong to call it a birth ?

> > Regards

> > Sujata

> >

> > ------------------------------

> > ** Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > *To:* @gro ups.com

> > *Cc:* tw853 <tw853 >

> > *Sent:* Friday, 14 August, 2009 2:18:00 AM

> > *Subject:* Re: Re: Corrct Birth Time

> >

> > Dear TW,

> > Pl. desist from justifying wrong interpretations *made by

> > you...using wrong rferences just to justify your wrong statement... PLEASE

> > RE READ K.P. READERS...*

> > * If what Satyacharya and you say is corect,how do you know

> > whether the child is alive or not ? ? !*

> > * * Yogesh Lajmi

> > GOOD LUCK !

> >

> > ------------------------------

> > ** tw853 <tw853 >

> > *To:* @gro ups.com

> > *Sent:* Friday, August 14, 2009 8:19:46 AM

> > *Subject:* Re: Corrct Birth Time

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > 1. Since Guruji KSK wrote in p 88 first para of KP Reader VI, that the

> > birth time is " the moment the whole body of the child has got separated from

> > that of mother " , how come one is still saying " first cry " is the KP birth

> > time said by Guruji KSK..

> > 2.. It is the same as said by Satyacharya in Satya Jatakam, that there are

> > three moments which can be taken as birth time:

> > 1) Adhana lagna the moment of conception

> > 2) Siro darshana lagna when the head becomes visible

> > 3) Bhu patana lagna when the body touches the earth

> > As the first two moments are hard to ascertain, he said to take the third

> > one only. In earlier days women in India didn't lay down to give birth but

> > squatted holding on to a rope or other means of support during the labor.

> > Hence when the child actually came out of the body it would touch the earth

> > and that was recorded as the time of birth, i.e the time when the baby's

> > body wholly leaves the mother's body.

> > 3. In the experience of Sunaparantha ji and Vijhay ji, birth time in the

> > hospital BC is not the first cry.

> > Regards,

> > tw

> >

> > @gro

ups.com<http://in.mc84.mail./mc/compose?to=%40\

>,

> > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tin Win,

> > > I am sorry Tin Win,I cannot agree with you at

> > all...the body of a child can get completely separated from the mother,even

> > if it not alive...a still-born child...that is why we must take the time of

> > the first cry/first breath,ensuring that the child is alive...!

> > > Further,you are quoting from whatever is written

> > which applies only to a horary chart...and ONLY to the erection of a horary

> > chart... ! !

> > > Also, the VIth reader(11th Edition,2007) , deals

> > with ONLY Horary Astrology... . ! ! !

> > > As per our late Guruji, one cannot rely upon the

> > Time of Birth given by the mother/doctor/ midwife etc for a variety of

> > reasons...however, the time of te first cry of the child is the time closest

> > to that of his first breath...

> > > That is to be taken as the exact TOB...if such a

> > noting is not possible,then note down the Ruling Planets at the time of

> > sitting for analysis,and find out the sign,star,sub, sub-sub of the

> > Moon...and as given above in a seperate note,and then insert these in the

> > place of Signlord,starlord, sublord,subsublo rd of the ASCENDANT and adjust

> > the time to arrive at the EXACT TOB.... a reference to Guruji's daughter

> > telling a caller on the phone his Birth star within a few seconds....( using

> > this method) is given in K.P. Reader VI, p.138 ,itsef. ...

> > > When I was studying K.P., Revered Guruji KSK,used

> > to give numerous such examples to students present in the class...especially

> > while discussing Ruling Planets and their importance.. .

> > > Pl. do not forget,that it was this very discovery

> > made Guruji and K.P., famous...! !

> > > Pl refer to my note a few days ago on this very

> > site...on the same subject...

> > > With kind regards,

> > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > >

> >

> > GOOD LUCK. !

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > tw853 <tw853@>

> > > @gro

ups.com<http://in.mc84.mail./mc/compose?to=%40\

>

> > > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:42:34 PM

> > > Re: Corrct Birth Time

> > >

> > > Dear Sunaparantha ji,

> > > 1. This group has been misinformed the 'first cry' to be the KP birth

> > time mentioned by Guruji KSK.

> > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 23074

> > > http://groups. / / group/k_p_ system/message/ 2318

> > > 2. The birth time what really mentioned by Guruji KSK is " the moment the

> > whole body of the child has got separated from that of mother " in p 88

> > first para of KP Reader VI, as you had experienced.

> > > Regards,

> > > tw

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear all Friends.

> > > >

> > > > As all you know last Sunday I was under an Eye Surgery in a Nursing

> > Home.

> > > > There I had a rare chance to decide (hear) the correct Birth Time of a

> > new born baby with his first crying in this world.

> > > > I was taken in to the Operation Theater preparation room at 8.00 am. At

> > that time there were some patients who were prepared for surgeries. Among

> > them I saw an expecting lady prepared on a trolley and while I was preparing

> > for my surgery by a Sister by applying some medicine in to my eyes I saw

> > that lady was taking in to the theater.

> > > >

> > > > After about 15 minutes time I saw with my half naked eyes(due to

> > medicine) a Sister was taking something like a piece of wood by her hand and

> > kept it on a lighted machine which was in my front and sooner I was able to

> > identify what the sister has brought. It is a naked body of a new born Baby.

> > I was difficult to see any thing clearly at that moment but with the

> > curiosity, I tried my best to see what they were doing. I saw, they entered

> > a tube in to the mouth of the baby and sucked some liquid like phlegmy and

> > at once the the baby began to cry.

> > > >

> > > > The saying of Guruji, the correct Birth Time of a baby is the time of

> > first crying, came to my mind. But no one cared of the TIME of crying!...

> > due to the ignorance ...

> > > >

> > > > After sometime another lady came with a form and asked for the sex of

> > tha baby to fill in the form. The Sister with the machine replied " It is a

> > Girl, Girl " and asked did you get the time? Then the second lady replied,

> > " Yes I got " .

> > > >

> > > > No question the time she has taken is the time of taking out the baby

> > from her mother's womb by the Doctor, instead of the Astrologically correct

> > Time.... ie the Time of first cry.

> > > > According to me the time difference of these two incidents of taking

> > out the baby from the womb and crying is about 10-15 minutes.

> > > > This is not the first and last case of noting the incorrect time of

> > birh of new born in this world. So as Kp Astrologers we have to put our

> > great attention to the correct BT, when we under go any predictions.

> > > >

> > > > This small experience is only for the interest and information of our

> > members.

> > > >

> > > > Kalyan

> > > >

> > >

> >

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August 16, 2009

Dear Punit,

I request you also participate (if you are not yet participated) and let us see the results.

GOOD LUCK!

D.Senthil

--- On Sat, 8/15/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Corrct Birth Time Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 9:26 AM

Dear Dharmendra ji,

I have my own theory of BTR which can correct birth time up to fraction of second. What is the proof? Is there any?

My point is that claiming that "Expertis in the subject and on the basis of Cusp Interlinks Theory you can can correct horoscope upto seconds." is very easy without any proof. Proving a theory is difficult and till today I have not seen "a single successful prediction" in this forum using Cuspal Interlinks.

Please see my earlier email to you http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 26318 and want to remind you to participate in the quiz. I can assure you that we will not be juding by single quiz, as I can understand that there are many variables in a successful predictions. But someone need to try "Cuspal Interlinks" to put it forward. This quiz and coming quizzes will be good opportunity to show what is cuspal interlink theory all about. Just saying is not enough in astrology.

I would again request to follower to all the systems to participate in the quizzes. This will give us good opportunity to see what works and what doesn't.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Dharmendra Kumar <kdbhaskar7 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear members! Most of the Horoscopes prepared on the basis of recorded Birth Time need rectification. Twins can born within seconds and hence the accuracy is must.

The true horoscope has to be unique for each individual. It should simulate conditions to reflect the nativeâ€™s individuality, personality, state of health, longevity, virtues, name & fame, capacity to face struggle of life, social, financial, marital, educational as well as professional status. It is therefore, imperative that we need to place the correct degree, minutes and seconds on each of the 12 cuspal positions. What the Time of Birth is known to you may be correct generally. However, the time that the incarnating soul chooses to take possession of a particular body in a particular family in a particular circumstances based on its past karmas is called the Astrological Birth Time. Medical staffs have no capacity to know this. It is the responsibility of the Astrologer to fix it and construct the True Horoscope of the native.

To construct a true natal chart itself tests the capability and patience of the astrologer. It is an Herculean task. Expertis in the subject and on the basis of Cusp Interlinks Theory you can can correct horoscope upto seconds.

Thanks,D K BMob.: 91-9910048040

"Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT."--- On Sat, 15/8/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther > Re: Re: Corrct Birth Time

@gro ups.comSaturday, 15 August, 2009, 6:34 AM

Dear Sujataji,

Good Morning.

A baby born dead will never recover. Where is the necesity of abirth time or horoscope?

Still born baby means the baby is alive but does not take respiration. It may recover after resusitation and live healthy. Some times it may not. Now it is up to the individual astrologer which time you accept as real birth time, the time when the baby comes out of the woumb or the time when it respires. Controversy still exists among seniors too.

Dr. Rath

sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in>

@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 4:02:12 PMRe: Re: Corrct Birth Time

Dear LajmijiWhat are the lagna's significations of a still-born (dead) child? Will it be wrong to call it a birth ?RegardsSujata

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >@gro ups.comCc: tw853 <tw853 >Friday, 14 August, 2009 2:18:00 AMRe: Re: Corrct Birth Time

Dear TW,

Pl. desist from justifying wrong interpretations made by you...using wrong rferences just to justify your wrong statement... PLEASE RE READ K.P. READERS...

If what Satyacharya and you say is corect,how do you know whether the child is alive or not ? ? !

Yogesh Lajmi

GOOD LUCK !

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 8:19:46 AM Re: Corrct Birth Time

Dear Friends,1. Since Guruji KSK wrote in p 88 first para of KP Reader VI, that the birth time is "the moment the whole body of the child has got separated from that of mother", how come one is still saying "first cry" is the KP birth time said by Guruji KSK..2.. It is the same as said by Satyacharya in Satya Jatakam, that there are three moments which can be taken as birth time:1) Adhana lagna the moment of conception2) Siro darshana lagna when the head becomes visible3) Bhu patana lagna when the body touches the earthAs the first two moments are hard to ascertain, he said to take the third one only. In earlier days women in India didn't lay down to give birth but squatted holding on to a rope or other means of support during the labor. Hence when the child actually came out of the body it would touch the earth and that was recorded as the time of birth, i.e the time when the baby's body wholly leaves the mother's

body.3. In the experience of Sunaparantha ji and Vijhay ji, birth time in the hospital BC is not the first cry.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Tin Win,> I am sorry Tin Win,I cannot agree with you at all...the body of a child can get completely separated from the mother,even if it not alive...a still-born child...that is why we must take the time of the first cry/first breath,ensuring that the child is alive...! > Further,you are quoting from whatever is written which applies only to a horary

chart...and ONLY to the erection of a horary chart... ! !> Also, the VIth reader(11th Edition,2007) , deals with ONLY Horary Astrology... . ! ! !> As per our late Guruji, one cannot rely upon the Time of Birth given by the mother/doctor/ midwife etc for a variety of reasons...however, the time of te first cry of the child is the time closest to that of his first breath...> That is to be taken as the exact TOB...if such a noting is not possible,then note down the Ruling Planets at the time of sitting for analysis,and find out the sign,star,sub, sub-sub of the

Moon...and as given above in a seperate note,and then insert these in the place of Signlord,starlord, sublord,subsublo rd of the ASCENDANT and adjust the time to arrive at the EXACT TOB.... a reference to Guruji's daughter telling a caller on the phone his Birth star within a few seconds....( using this method) is given in K.P. Reader VI, p.138 ,itsef. ...> When I was studying K.P., Revered Guruji KSK,used to give numerous such examples to students present in the class...especially while discussing Ruling Planets and their importance.. .> Pl. do not forget,that it was this very discovery made Guruji and K.P., famous...! !>

Pl refer to my note a few days ago on this very site...on the same subject...> With kind regards,> Yogesh Lajmi.> >

GOOD LUCK. !> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> tw853 <tw853> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:42:34 PM> Re: Corrct Birth Time> > > Dear Sunaparantha ji,> 1. This group has been misinformed the 'first cry' to be the KP birth time mentioned by Guruji KSK.> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 23074> http://groups. / / group/k_p_ system/message/ 2318> 2. The birth time what really mentioned by Guruji KSK is "the moment the whole body of the child has got separated from that of mother" in p 88 first para of KP Reader VI, as you had experienced.> Regards,> tw> > --- In

@gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear all Friends.> > > > As all you know last Sunday I was under an Eye Surgery in a Nursing Home.> > There I had a rare chance to decide (hear) the correct Birth Time of a new born baby with his first crying in this world.> > I was taken in to the Operation Theater preparation room at 8.00 am. At that time there were some patients who were prepared for surgeries. Among them I saw an expecting lady prepared on a trolley and while I was preparing for my surgery by a Sister by applying some medicine in to my eyes I saw that lady was taking in to the theater.> > > > After about 15 minutes time I saw with my half naked eyes(due to medicine) a Sister was taking something like a piece of wood by her hand and kept it on a lighted machine

which was in my front and sooner I was able to identify what the sister has brought. It is a naked body of a new born Baby. I was difficult to see any thing clearly at that moment but with the curiosity, I tried my best to see what they were doing. I saw, they entered a tube in to the mouth of the baby and sucked some liquid like phlegmy and at once the the baby began to cry.> > > > The saying of Guruji, the correct Birth Time of a baby is the time of first crying, came to my mind. But no one cared of the TIME of crying!... due to the ignorance ...> > > > After sometime another lady came with a form and asked for the sex of tha baby to fill in the form. The Sister with the machine replied "It is a Girl, Girl" and asked did you get the time? Then the second lady replied, "Yes I got".> > > > No question the time she has taken is the time of taking out the baby from her mother's womb by the

Doctor, instead of the Astrologically correct Time.... ie the Time of first cry.> > According to me the time difference of these two incidents of taking out the baby from the womb and crying is about 10-15 minutes.> > This is not the first and last case of noting the incorrect time of birh of new born in this world. So as Kp Astrologers we have to put our great attention to the correct BT, when we under go any predictions.> > > > This small experience is only for the interest and information of our members.> > > > Kalyan> >>

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Thanks Punit ji,

May I request you to share your method to rectify the chart. It will certainly be useful. I am open minded and always accept the new concept which can lead us towards success.Thanks,D K BMob.: 91-9910048040

"Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT."--- On Sat, 15/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Corrct Birth Time Date: Saturday, 15 August, 2009, 9:56 PM