The Miracle that is K.P....Punit's Birth Time

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Dear Suprakash ji,

 

Very very interesting. According to my birth time, which may have few minutes inaccuracy, I get follow details -

 

Ascendant:     171D 59M 38S Me-Mo-Ve-Sa

Moon:             165D 44M 18S Me-Mo-Sa-Sa

 

Essentially which means Mercury, Moon, Venus and Saturn can give us the same Ascendant and Moon Position.

 

First set of RPs that you got are -

 

Mars, Venus, Rahu, Mercury, Moon

 

Which covered everything but Sautrn. Though, as you are just trying to fix my ascendant, all planets tallied. Sounds very interesting case study.

 

The reason you reached to incorrect conclusion because you dropped Mercury from RP at the time of judgement. We need to dig a little further on why Mercury is so poweful. 

 

Appreciate your efforts for trying RP based BTR practically.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am going to test the theory again on Punitji as he has given permission.

 

Today, 17-August-2009 at 9:55:20 AM

 

Ruling Planets are:

 

Asc star :Mars

Asc rasi: Venus

Moon star : Rahu

Moon Sign :Merc

Day lord: Moon

 

(Venus appears as sub-lord of both asc and moon)

 

 

1 .Mars in sub of Merc, no planet in star of Merc and mercury a RP, also mars is asc starlord.

 

2. Venus in sub of Merc, no planet in star of Merc and mercury a RP, also venus is asc lord.

 

3. Rahu in sub of Sat, sat not in RP

 

4. Merc in sub of Sun, sun not in RP also strength wise it is weak as being moon rasi lord.

 

5. Moon in sub of Ven and in star of Rahu, both are RP

 

 

Strong significators are : Mars, Venus and Moon

It appears that Venus is stronger as it appears both as asc and moon sublord.

 

Possible positions are : Aris – venus star –Moon sub

 

                                         Taurus – moon star- mars sub

 

                                          Taurus – Mars star- moon sub

 

                                          Libra- Mars star-moon sub

 

 

As venus appears to be stronger being both asc and moon sublord, the possible signs are Libra or Taurus. Even then we have three options.

So I sought divine help   at 10:26:46 AM again only to guide me to select one out of the three.

 

RP at that time are:

 

Asc : Venus- Rahu- (Sat)

Moon: Merc-Rah-(Ven)

Day : Moon

 

Interestingly Rahu appears as strong significator this time.

 

So I inspected rahu. Rahi represents Saturn being in Makara. Saturn conj with Mercury, the initial RP. Rahu is also in sub of Sat.

 

Rahu star is only in Libra.

 

So the Rasi must be Libra- Mars star- Moon sub.

 

Punitji please confirm.

 

 

 

 

 

-

Punit Pandey

 

 

 

Monday, August 17, 2009 12:59 AM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

Dear Suprakash ji,

 

Personal information is anyways personal information and we should leave it up to individual whether to reveal it or not. No reply from Lajmi ji clearly suggests that he is not interested in sharing this information and we should accept it. It should be his choice.

 

You are free to test it on my details.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:54 PM, S.Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,If asking one's lagna position from a senior member for verification of a truth hurts him and appears as action of contempt, I'm sorry as I have done it without any intention but to test the theory.

It appears that Lajmiji advises a lot to get out of " Guidance Syndrome " but when a learner tries on its own, being a senior member he doesn't play his role to point out the learner's mistakes.

Anyway, I seek permission from TWji to test his Rasi position through RP and I'll post the result again in this forum.Suprakash , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:>> Dear Friends,> Nothing seems wrorng for a member to try this technique of stunning the clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room, and to request the provider of this rule to confirm whether his observation is stunning the provider or not, as requested " Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. " It may not be problem to answer whether the member's observation is right or wrong. Satish's saying is worthy to note that every body is equal under this sky and so not to address him Satish ji.

> Regards,> tw> > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> >> >

> > Dear group members,> > > > This type of testing on a senior member is not acceptable as its is> > unparliamentary sort of behaviour. There are hundreds of occasions in> > ones daily Life to check the validity of RP's and in any case, if

> > someone finds it effective, then use it, or otherwise do not. Nobody is> > forcing anyone. But a senior member who is giving his experience here> > and sharing same, if one is going to attempt from a senior memberbehaviour and

 

> > chiding ones senior elder, then this will not go unnoticed, and neither> > a act to feel happy about. I wonder why no other member has spoken> > strongly against this.> >

> > Why must he be bound to reveal his Lagna and other details ? Why cannot> > the member who is testing RP's do it on his own family members and then> > report to the Group, about his findings ?

> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > , " S.Ghosh " <suprakash.ghosh@>

> > wrote:> > >> > > I'm also a learner.> > > I have tried to test the RP application suggested by Lajmiji himself.> > > I'd request him to confirm his lagna/sign position for further

> > discussion.> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > Suprakash> > >> > >> > > , Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > Thanks for your reply Dear Suprakashji.> > > > Wish you a nice day ahead.> > > > Dr. Rath> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > ________________________________> > > > S.Ghosh suprakash.ghosh@> > > >

> > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:46:46 PM> > > > Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > >> > > > Â> > > > Venus is in star and sub of Jup in retrogression. hence rejected.Jup

> > is not in RP. (Wrongly I have mentioned it as day lord..actually day> > lord should be Venus)> > > >> > > > As per order of strength, Sun is in 3rd position.> > > >

> > > > My urge was to know the Sign position..not the sub. So the strongest> > planets must guide me for sign only.> > > >> > > > Yes thre are equal possibility of being Makar Lagna and in star of

> > Sravana.I have selected Cancer as one of the strong RPs Sun is posited> > there.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > > Suprakash> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Why not in Sun Star and Venus sub in Capricorn?

> > > > > Dr. Rath> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ ...>

> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Friday, August 14, 2009 5:34:31 PM> > > > > Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> > > > >> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Today, 14 August, at 5:20:58 PM,I had an urge to know the Lagna> > Position of Lajmiji.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > At Calcutta, ruling planets are:

> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Asc star :Moon> > > > > Asc rasi :Saturn> > > > > Moon Star:Sun> > > > > Moon Sign:Venus> > > > > Day Lord:Jupiter

> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Moon is strongest being asc star, also in star of Sun, another RP> > and sub of Merc, though not in RP, bur conj with Sat, asc lord.> > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > Saturn in next strong being in star and sub of sun, Sun is Moon> > star lord.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Next strong is Sun being in star of Sat and in  sub of

> > merc.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Jup is retrograde : eliminated> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Venus : In star and sub of jup retrograde: eliminated.

> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > So, Lajmiji’s sign must be : Cancer, Pushya nakstra,> > Sun Sub.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Lajmiji, please confirm.

> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > -> > > > > >Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > >Cc: astro logy> > > > > >Friday, August 14, 2009 9:56 AM

> > > > > >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > > > >> > > > > >ÂÂ> > > > > >Dear Azeem,> > > > > >       ÂÂ

> >         ÂÂ> >   As per K.P., every moment in Time is Ruled by> > atleast 5 Planets...> > > > > >       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ

> >   They are,in order of strength, the Starlord of the> > Ascendant Rising(at that time),the Signlord of that Ascendant,,the> > Moon's starlord,the Moon's Signlord and the Day lord...recent

> > researchers have added the sublords of the Ascendant and Moon to these> > 5, making it 7 Planets... This epoch-making> > discovery/invention has made our late Guruji,Jyotish Marthand,K.S.

> > Krishnamurthiji, immortal. ..!> > > > > >       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >   These RPs play a very important role...for example, the

> > Ruling Planets at your Birth will play an important role in bringing> > about almost every important event in your Life...and so on...there are> > many applications of RPs in K.P.> > > > > >       ÂÂ

> >         ÂÂ> >   With best wishes,> > > > > >       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >   Yogesh Lajmi,ÂÂ

> > > > > >       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ

> >     GOOD LUCK !> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > astro logy <astro_logy66@ >> > > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > >Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:32:52 PM> > > > > >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > > > >> > > > > >ÂÂ

> > > > > >Respected Yogesh ji> > > > > >can you explain what is the RPs. i ll be very much thankful to> > you for this act of kindness.> > > > > >Azeem (student of kp system of astrology)

> > > > > >> > > > > >--- On Tue, 8/11/09, Bhargava Ram gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >>Bhargava Ram gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > > > >>Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > > > >>@gro ups.com

> > > > > >>Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 7:56 AM> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>ÂÂ> > > > > >>Dear Sir,

> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with an> > example.> > > > > >>Which will be helpful for learners like me.

> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>Pranams.> > > > > >>Bhargav.> > > > > >>> > > > > >>--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > > > >>> The Miracle that is K.P....> > > > > >>> " ALL MEMBERS " <@ gro ups.com>

> > > > > >>>Cc: " Punit Pandey " punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " tw853 " tw853 (AT) (DOT) > > com>> > > > > >>>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM

> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>ÂÂ> > > > > >>>Dear MEMBERS,> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ

> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >  Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ

> >         ÂÂ> >          > > You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be> > surprised,especiall y if he knows it...

> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >  Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling

> > his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were> > sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the> > utter surprise of the client...> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ

> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >  The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at> > your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at

> > that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in> > which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of> > the person      ÂÂ> >   Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without

> > even looking at the horoscope... !> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >   That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you

> > perform...> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >    K..P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in

> > case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of> > a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Members are requested to try this out and inform their

> > observations at this site,please.> > > > > >>>ÂÂ> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ

> >   With the very best wishes,> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >   Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >     ÂÂ> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>__________ _________ _________ ____

> > > > > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet> > Explorer 8.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> >>

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Dear Punitji

 

I think it is the time the seniors should take the lead let us understand why the prediction failed.

Why Merc is powerful?

Why Mars, the starlord of Asc doesn't appear at all in real birth RP.

 

This can be a good case study for further understanding of KP concept.

However, a single case study doesn't always speak the truth. We must conduct more such experiments.

I'd request some one from our group to try to find the ASC/rasi of TWji as he has given consent.Will you please try?

 

Regards

 

Suprakash

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

Punit Pandey

Monday, August 17, 2009 12:55 PM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....Punit's Birth Time

 

Dear Suprakash ji,

 

Very very interesting. According to my birth time, which may have few minutes inaccuracy, I get follow details -

 

Ascendant: 171D 59M 38S Me-Mo-Ve-Sa

Moon: 165D 44M 18S Me-Mo-Sa-Sa

 

Essentially which means Mercury, Moon, Venus and Saturn can give us the same Ascendant and Moon Position.

 

First set of RPs that you got are -

 

Mars, Venus, Rahu, Mercury, Moon

 

Which covered everything but Sautrn. Though, as you are just trying to fix my ascendant, all planets tallied. Sounds very interesting case study.

 

The reason you reached to incorrect conclusion because you dropped Mercury from RP at the time of judgement. We need to dig a little further on why Mercury is so poweful.

 

Appreciate your efforts for trying RP based BTR practically.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

I am going to test the theory again on Punitji as he has given permission.

 

Today, 17-August-2009 at 9:55:20 AM

 

Ruling Planets are:

 

Asc star :Mars

Asc rasi: Venus

Moon star : Rahu

Moon Sign :Merc

Day lord: Moon

 

(Venus appears as sub-lord of both asc and moon)

 

 

1 .Mars in sub of Merc, no planet in star of Merc and mercury a RP, also mars is asc starlord.

 

2. Venus in sub of Merc, no planet in star of Merc and mercury a RP, also venus is asc lord.

 

3. Rahu in sub of Sat, sat not in RP

 

4. Merc in sub of Sun, sun not in RP also strength wise it is weak as being moon rasi lord.

 

5. Moon in sub of Ven and in star of Rahu, both are RP

 

 

Strong significators are : Mars, Venus and Moon

It appears that Venus is stronger as it appears both as asc and moon sublord.

 

Possible positions are : Aris – venus star –Moon sub

 

Taurus – moon star- mars sub

 

Taurus – Mars star- moon sub

 

Libra- Mars star-moon sub

 

 

As venus appears to be stronger being both asc and moon sublord, the possible signs are Libra or Taurus. Even then we have three options.

So I sought divine help at 10:26:46 AM again only to guide me to select one out of the three.

 

RP at that time are:

 

Asc : Venus- Rahu- (Sat)

Moon: Merc-Rah-(Ven)

Day : Moon

 

Interestingly Rahu appears as strong significator this time.

 

So I inspected rahu. Rahi represents Saturn being in Makara. Saturn conj with Mercury, the initial RP. Rahu is also in sub of Sat.

 

Rahu star is only in Libra.

 

So the Rasi must be Libra- Mars star- Moon sub.

 

Punitji please confirm.

 

 

 

 

 

-

Punit Pandey

 

 

 

Monday, August 17, 2009 12:59 AM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

Dear Suprakash ji,

 

Personal information is anyways personal information and we should leave it up to individual whether to reveal it or not. No reply from Lajmi ji clearly suggests that he is not interested in sharing this information and we should accept it. It should be his choice.

 

You are free to test it on my details.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:54 PM, S.Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Friends,If asking one's lagna position from a senior member for verification of a truth hurts him and appears as action of contempt, I'm sorry as I have done it without any intention but to test the theory.It appears that Lajmiji advises a lot to get out of "Guidance Syndrome" but when a learner tries on its own, being a senior member he doesn't play his role to point out the learner's mistakes.Anyway, I seek permission from TWji to test his Rasi position through RP and I'll post the result again in this forum.Suprakash , "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Dear Friends,> Nothing seems wrorng for a member to try this technique of stunning the clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room, and to request the provider of this rule to confirm whether his observation is stunning the provider or not, as requested "Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please." It may not be problem to answer whether the member's observation is right or wrong. Satish's saying is worthy to note that every body is equal under this sky and so not to address him Satish ji.> Regards,> tw> > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> >> > > > Dear group members,> > > > This type of testing on a senior member is not acceptable as its is> > unparliamentary sort of behaviour. There are hundreds of occasions in> > ones daily Life to check the validity of RP's and in any case, if> > someone finds it effective, then use it, or otherwise do not. Nobody is> > forcing anyone. But a senior member who is giving his experience here> > and sharing same, if one is going to attempt from a senior memberbehaviour and

 

> > chiding ones senior elder, then this will not go unnoticed, and neither> > a act to feel happy about. I wonder why no other member has spoken> > strongly against this.> > > > Why must he be bound to reveal his Lagna and other details ? Why cannot> > the member who is testing RP's do it on his own family members and then> > report to the Group, about his findings ?> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > , "S.Ghosh" <suprakash.ghosh@>> > wrote:> > >> > > I'm also a learner.> > > I have tried to test the RP application suggested by Lajmiji himself.> > > I'd request him to confirm his lagna/sign position for further> > discussion.> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > Suprakash> > >> > >> > > , Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Thanks for your reply Dear Suprakashji.> > > > Wish you a nice day ahead.> > > > Dr. Rath> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ________________________________> > > > S.Ghosh suprakash.ghosh@> > > > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:46:46 PM> > > > Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > >> > > > Â> > > > Venus is in star and sub of Jup in retrogression. hence rejected.Jup> > is not in RP. (Wrongly I have mentioned it as day lord..actually day> > lord should be Venus)> > > >> > > > As per order of strength, Sun is in 3rd position.> > > >> > > > My urge was to know the Sign position..not the sub. So the strongest> > planets must guide me for sign only.> > > >> > > > Yes thre are equal possibility of being Makar Lagna and in star of> > Sravana.I have selected Cancer as one of the strong RPs Sun is posited> > there.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > > Suprakash> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Why not in Sun Star and Venus sub in Capricorn?> > > > > Dr. Rath> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ ...>> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Friday, August 14, 2009 5:34:31 PM> > > > > Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > > >> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Today, 14 August, at 5:20:58 PM,I had an urge to know the Lagna> > Position of Lajmiji.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > At Calcutta, ruling planets are:> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Asc star :Moon> > > > > Asc rasi :Saturn> > > > > Moon Star:Sun> > > > > Moon Sign:Venus> > > > > Day Lord:Jupiter> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Moon is strongest being asc star, also in star of Sun, another RP> > and sub of Merc, though not in RP, bur conj with Sat, asc lord.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Saturn in next strong being in star and sub of sun, Sun is Moon> > star lord.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Next strong is Sun being in star of Sat and in  sub of> > merc.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Jup is retrograde : eliminated> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Venus : In star and sub of jup retrograde: eliminated.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > So, Lajmiji’s sign must be : Cancer, Pushya nakstra,> > Sun Sub.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Lajmiji, please confirm.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > -> > > > > >Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > >Cc: astro logy> > > > > >Friday, August 14, 2009 9:56 AM> > > > > >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > > > >> > > > > >ÂÂ> > > > > >Dear Azeem,> > > > > >       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >   As per K.P., every moment in Time is Ruled by> > atleast 5 Planets...> > > > > >       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >   They are,in order of strength, the Starlord of the> > Ascendant Rising(at that time),the Signlord of that Ascendant,,the> > Moon's starlord,the Moon's Signlord and the Day lord...recent> > researchers have added the sublords of the Ascendant and Moon to these> > 5, making it 7 Planets... This epoch-making> > discovery/invention has made our late Guruji,Jyotish Marthand,K.S.> > Krishnamurthiji, immortal. ..!> > > > > >       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >   These RPs play a very important role...for example, the> > Ruling Planets at your Birth will play an important role in bringing> > about almost every important event in your Life...and so on...there are> > many applications of RPs in K.P.> > > > > >       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >   With best wishes,> > > > > >       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >   Yogesh Lajmi,ÂÂ> > > > > >       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >     GOOD LUCK !> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > astro logy <astro_logy66@ >> > > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > >Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:32:52 PM> > > > > >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > > > >> > > > > >ÂÂ> > > > > >Respected Yogesh ji> > > > > >can you explain what is the RPs. i ll be very much thankful to> > you for this act of kindness.> > > > > >Azeem (student of kp system of astrology)> > > > > >> > > > > >--- On Tue, 8/11/09, Bhargava Ram gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>Bhargava Ram gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > > > >>Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > > > >>@gro ups.com> > > > > >>Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 7:56 AM> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>ÂÂ> > > > > >>Dear Sir,> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with an> > example.> > > > > >>Which will be helpful for learners like me.> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>Pranams.> > > > > >>Bhargav.> > > > > >>> > > > > >>--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> > wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> > > > > >>> The Miracle that is K.P....> > > > > >>>"ALL MEMBERS" <@ gro ups.com>> > > > > >>>Cc: "Punit Pandey" punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, "tw853" tw853 (AT) (DOT) > > com>> > > > > >>>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>ÂÂ> > > > > >>>Dear MEMBERS,> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >  Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >          > > You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be> > surprised,especiall y if he knows it...> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >  Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling> > his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were> > sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the> > utter surprise of the client...> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >  The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at> > your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at> > that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in> > which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of> > the person      ÂÂ> >   Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without> > even looking at the horoscope... !> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >   That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you> > perform...> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >    K..P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in> > case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of> > a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Members are requested to try this out and inform their> > observations at this site,please.> > > > > >>>ÂÂ> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >   With the very best wishes,> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >   Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >     ÂÂ> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>__________ _________ _________ ____> > > > > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet> > Explorer 8.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Suprakash ji,

 

If we move time 6-7 minutes forward, Ascendant will transit into Mars nakshatra. As I earlier mentioned, there is known inaccuracy of few minutes, so we should not rule out Mars as ascendant Nakshatra. At somewhere after 10-11 minutes, we get Mars nakshatra and Rahu sub. My birth details are as follows - April 11, 1979. Time: 18:11. Place: Agra, UP.

 

Also note some important points related to RP (my opinion, why you were not able to get correct time though you got the correct RPs) -

 

1. RPs are not independent tool. It should be used in conjunction with significators (horary or natal). It can be used as an independent tool only if we know the answer is positive and the event happens very soon in few hours (time span for possibility of happening the event is small). The way you are trying to fix the birth time (open ended with no clue of my possible time), is not possible with RP. RPs can only be applied when the time span is known and quite short.

2. There is no concept of weaker or powerful RP. All RPs are equally powerful. We need to apply RP in the context of available information (time span).

 

I agree that we must conduct more experiments. I would not try myself because I am already convinced about RP and hence proving something already proven does not make much sense to me (for myself). More importantly, I am not able to motivate myself for this exercise due to the above said reason.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punitji

 

I think it is the time the seniors should take the lead let us understand why the prediction failed.

Why Merc is powerful?

Why Mars, the starlord of Asc doesn't appear at all in real birth RP.

 

This can be a good case study for further understanding of KP concept.

However, a single case study doesn't always speak the truth. We must conduct more such experiments.

I'd request some one from our group to try to find the ASC/rasi of TWji as he has given consent.Will you please try?

 

Regards

 

Suprakash

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

Punit Pandey

 

 

 

Monday, August 17, 2009 12:55 PM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....Punit's Birth Time

 

 

Dear Suprakash ji,

 

Very very interesting. According to my birth time, which may have few minutes inaccuracy, I get follow details -

 

Ascendant:     171D 59M 38S Me-Mo-Ve-Sa

Moon:             165D 44M 18S Me-Mo-Sa-Sa

 

Essentially which means Mercury, Moon, Venus and Saturn can give us the same Ascendant and Moon Position.

 

First set of RPs that you got are -

 

Mars, Venus, Rahu, Mercury, Moon

 

Which covered everything but Sautrn. Though, as you are just trying to fix my ascendant, all planets tallied. Sounds very interesting case study.

 

The reason you reached to incorrect conclusion because you dropped Mercury from RP at the time of judgement. We need to dig a little further on why Mercury is so poweful. 

 

Appreciate your efforts for trying RP based BTR practically.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am going to test the theory again on Punitji as he has given permission.

 

Today, 17-August-2009 at 9:55:20 AM

 

Ruling Planets are:

 

Asc star :Mars

Asc rasi: Venus

Moon star : Rahu

Moon Sign :Merc

Day lord: Moon

 

(Venus appears as sub-lord of both asc and moon)

 

 

1 .Mars in sub of Merc, no planet in star of Merc and mercury a RP, also mars is asc starlord.

 

2. Venus in sub of Merc, no planet in star of Merc and mercury a RP, also venus is asc lord.

 

3. Rahu in sub of Sat, sat not in RP

 

4. Merc in sub of Sun, sun not in RP also strength wise it is weak as being moon rasi lord.

 

5. Moon in sub of Ven and in star of Rahu, both are RP

 

 

Strong significators are : Mars, Venus and Moon

It appears that Venus is stronger as it appears both as asc and moon sublord.

 

Possible positions are : Aris – venus star –Moon sub

 

                                         Taurus – moon star- mars sub

 

                                          Taurus – Mars star- moon sub

 

                                          Libra- Mars star-moon sub

 

 

As venus appears to be stronger being both asc and moon sublord, the possible signs are Libra or Taurus. Even then we have three options.

So I sought divine help   at 10:26:46 AM again only to guide me to select one out of the three.

 

RP at that time are:

 

Asc : Venus- Rahu- (Sat)

Moon: Merc-Rah-(Ven)

Day : Moon

 

Interestingly Rahu appears as strong significator this time.

 

So I inspected rahu. Rahi represents Saturn being in Makara. Saturn conj with Mercury, the initial RP. Rahu is also in sub of Sat.

 

Rahu star is only in Libra.

 

So the Rasi must be Libra- Mars star- Moon sub.

 

Punitji please confirm.

 

 

 

 

 

-

Punit Pandey

 

 

 

Monday, August 17, 2009 12:59 AM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

Dear Suprakash ji,

 

Personal information is anyways personal information and we should leave it up to individual whether to reveal it or not. No reply from Lajmi ji clearly suggests that he is not interested in sharing this information and we should accept it. It should be his choice.

 

You are free to test it on my details.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:54 PM, S.Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,If asking one's lagna position from a senior member for verification of a truth hurts him and appears as action of contempt, I'm sorry as I have done it without any intention but to test the theory.

It appears that Lajmiji advises a lot to get out of " Guidance Syndrome " but when a learner tries on its own, being a senior member he doesn't play his role to point out the learner's mistakes.

Anyway, I seek permission from TWji to test his Rasi position through RP and I'll post the result again in this forum.Suprakash , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:>> Dear Friends,> Nothing seems wrorng for a member to try this technique of stunning the clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room, and to request the provider of this rule to confirm whether his observation is stunning the provider or not, as requested " Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. " It may not be problem to answer whether the member's observation is right or wrong. Satish's saying is worthy to note that every body is equal under this sky and so not to address him Satish ji.

> Regards,> tw> > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> >> >

> > Dear group members,> > > > This type of testing on a senior member is not acceptable as its is> > unparliamentary sort of behaviour. There are hundreds of occasions in> > ones daily Life to check the validity of RP's and in any case, if

> > someone finds it effective, then use it, or otherwise do not. Nobody is> > forcing anyone. But a senior member who is giving his experience here> > and sharing same, if one is going to attempt from a senior memberbehaviour and

 

> > chiding ones senior elder, then this will not go unnoticed, and neither> > a act to feel happy about. I wonder why no other member has spoken> > strongly against this.> >

> > Why must he be bound to reveal his Lagna and other details ? Why cannot> > the member who is testing RP's do it on his own family members and then> > report to the Group, about his findings ?

> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > , " S.Ghosh " <suprakash.ghosh@>

> > wrote:> > >> > > I'm also a learner.> > > I have tried to test the RP application suggested by Lajmiji himself.> > > I'd request him to confirm his lagna/sign position for further

> > discussion.> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > Suprakash> > >> > >> > > , Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > Thanks for your reply Dear Suprakashji.> > > > Wish you a nice day ahead.> > > > Dr. Rath> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > ________________________________> > > > S.Ghosh suprakash.ghosh@> > > >

> > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:46:46 PM> > > > Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > >> > > > Â> > > > Venus is in star and sub of Jup in retrogression. hence rejected.Jup

> > is not in RP. (Wrongly I have mentioned it as day lord..actually day> > lord should be Venus)> > > >> > > > As per order of strength, Sun is in 3rd position.> > > >

> > > > My urge was to know the Sign position..not the sub. So the strongest> > planets must guide me for sign only.> > > >> > > > Yes thre are equal possibility of being Makar Lagna and in star of

> > Sravana.I have selected Cancer as one of the strong RPs Sun is posited> > there.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > > Suprakash> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Why not in Sun Star and Venus sub in Capricorn?

> > > > > Dr. Rath> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ ...>

> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Friday, August 14, 2009 5:34:31 PM> > > > > Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> > > > >> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Today, 14 August, at 5:20:58 PM,I had an urge to know the Lagna> > Position of Lajmiji.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > At Calcutta, ruling planets are:

> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Asc star :Moon> > > > > Asc rasi :Saturn> > > > > Moon Star:Sun> > > > > Moon Sign:Venus> > > > > Day Lord:Jupiter

> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Moon is strongest being asc star, also in star of Sun, another RP> > and sub of Merc, though not in RP, bur conj with Sat, asc lord.> > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > Saturn in next strong being in star and sub of sun, Sun is Moon> > star lord.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Next strong is Sun being in star of Sat and in  sub of

> > merc.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Jup is retrograde : eliminated> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Venus : In star and sub of jup retrograde: eliminated.

> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > So, Lajmiji’s sign must be : Cancer, Pushya nakstra,> > Sun Sub.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Lajmiji, please confirm.

> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > -> > > > > >Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > >Cc: astro logy> > > > > >Friday, August 14, 2009 9:56 AM

> > > > > >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > > > >> > > > > >ÂÂ> > > > > >Dear Azeem,> > > > > >       ÂÂ

> >         ÂÂ> >   As per K.P., every moment in Time is Ruled by> > atleast 5 Planets...> > > > > >       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ

> >   They are,in order of strength, the Starlord of the> > Ascendant Rising(at that time),the Signlord of that Ascendant,,the> > Moon's starlord,the Moon's Signlord and the Day lord...recent

> > researchers have added the sublords of the Ascendant and Moon to these> > 5, making it 7 Planets... This epoch-making> > discovery/invention has made our late Guruji,Jyotish Marthand,K.S.

> > Krishnamurthiji, immortal. ..!> > > > > >       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >   These RPs play a very important role...for example, the

> > Ruling Planets at your Birth will play an important role in bringing> > about almost every important event in your Life...and so on...there are> > many applications of RPs in K.P.> > > > > >       ÂÂ

> >         ÂÂ> >   With best wishes,> > > > > >       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >   Yogesh Lajmi,ÂÂ

> > > > > >       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ

> >     GOOD LUCK !> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > astro logy <astro_logy66@ >> > > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > >Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:32:52 PM> > > > > >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > > > >> > > > > >ÂÂ

> > > > > >Respected Yogesh ji> > > > > >can you explain what is the RPs. i ll be very much thankful to> > you for this act of kindness.> > > > > >Azeem (student of kp system of astrology)

> > > > > >> > > > > >--- On Tue, 8/11/09, Bhargava Ram gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >>Bhargava Ram gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > > > >>Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > > > >>@gro ups.com

> > > > > >>Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 7:56 AM> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>ÂÂ> > > > > >>Dear Sir,

> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with an> > example.> > > > > >>Which will be helpful for learners like me.

> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>Pranams.> > > > > >>Bhargav.> > > > > >>> > > > > >>--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > > > >>> The Miracle that is K.P....> > > > > >>> " ALL MEMBERS " <@ gro ups.com>

> > > > > >>>Cc: " Punit Pandey " punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " tw853 " tw853 (AT) (DOT) > > com>> > > > > >>>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM

> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>ÂÂ> > > > > >>>Dear MEMBERS,> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ

> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >  Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ

> >         ÂÂ> >          > > You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be> > surprised,especiall y if he knows it...

> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >  Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling

> > his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were> > sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the> > utter surprise of the client...> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ

> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >  The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at> > your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at

> > that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in> > which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of> > the person      ÂÂ> >   Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without

> > even looking at the horoscope... !> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >   That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you

> > perform...> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >    K..P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in

> > case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of> > a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Members are requested to try this out and inform their

> > observations at this site,please.> > > > > >>>ÂÂ> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ

> >   With the very best wishes,> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >   Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >         ÂÂ> >     ÂÂ> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>__________ _________ _________ ____

> > > > > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet> > Explorer 8.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >

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