BTR- Will moon position at the time of BTR will be Birth time Sign/star/sub ?

August 17, 2009

hi BTR- Will moon position at the time of BTR will be Birth time Sign/star/sub ?RegardsPunit Pandey <punitp Sent: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009 12:04:57 AMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

Dear Sujata ji,

What is the source of this theory? The nature of theory seems non-KP to me and hence the curiosity to know the source.

As correctly pointed out by Bhaskar ji, if we start taking RP by conjunction in the birth chart, we will end up almost all the planets as RP. These theories seem good for justification as one can have more options, but seems to have little or no predictive value.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in> wrote:

Dear Adith and PuneetWhen horoscopes are matched for marriage, or 5th csl for birthstar of the 1st child, we do take into consideration , the relevant planets or RPs conjuntion with the planet in the natal horoscope for judging it to be correct, so Adithi is right in tn his conclusion

RegardsSujata

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com

Monday, 17 August, 2009 7:13:35 PM Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

Dear Punit ji,

Thanks!

But No comments!

Regards

Adith

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Adith ji,

I believe that majority of KP astrologers will not agree to your point one. Also I doubt there will be any reference in any KP literature to this rule (use of conjunction in natal chart in RP). Not only related to RP, I doubt we will see something similar even for transit.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Dr. Rath ji,

Thanks for your effort!

1. SUN the RP is conjoined with MARS in Natal chart , hence it can also be considered an associate of SUN for fixing the BT. Pl note all times all planets will not play thier role directly. When the RP is connected to the NATAL chart, why not the RP's conjunction with the other Planet will also play a role! It will, according to me.

2. In the Natal Chart , the Ascendant Sub lord (SUN) is in the star of SATURN. As per rule that normally everyone follows, The ascendant's Sub should be connected to the Moon's star or sign lord. in the Natal. Right?

Here If the sub is SUN , its star Lord is SATURN who is the MOON' star Lord. So there is a relation. HOPE we are discussing to FIX the AScendant for the Native.!

3. If the 5th CSL is MOON : Dear Sir, I never said since the Asc sub is Sun, the 5th SUb should also be SUN. !!

If it was MOON , it strongly signfies 4,10,11,8,3 (No 5 or 2).

But If it is SUN, it is signfying 4,10 and also 5,7 through its SUB lord. As it is said he has got a baby, the possibility of SUN is more than MOON.

Regards

Adith

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On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

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Dear Adithji,

I have done some more thought on your study. Please do not mind for the adversities. I fear if there is some thing wrong. Please find the attachment.

Regards.

Dr. Rath

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

@gro ups.com

Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

DEAR DR. RATH JI,

NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!

BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!

ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:

A) Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?

Check my report clearly, I have said "MARS is conjoined with SUN the RP."

reproduced here...

//There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars is conjoined with Sun, the RP).//

hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart can also be seen).

B) //If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who is the Moon star lord. So it matches.IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturn except Sat is in Moon star.//

You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say " Moon is supposed to be in Moon star only".

Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATAL chart. It means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn is the Moon star lord." Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.

C) SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the star Lord of Asc. But you said I have not applied the rule!!

What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP should match to the Asc. Natal?

NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth, that itself is ok.

We have to look at the possible options within the given and check for their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Aries the sign lord and the time frame is also given, the options are within the stars in Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. but the proper study and explantion fhas been made.

If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the same as the Moon's corulers in RP.

This can not be expected all times. But it showed the clearer urge also.

Hope the above answers your questions!

Regards

Adith

www.thebestastro. com

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

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Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested members,

I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed by all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for benefit of all.

Yours.

Dr. Rath

Senthil <athi_ram >

@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PM

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Dear Members,

I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the given birth chart.

As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

GOOD LUCK!

Thanks

D.Senthil

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....@gro ups.com

Cc: "tw853" <tw853 >Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

Dear TW,

That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your latest invention... !

Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with any "urge"...! !

You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where whenever a number is given,there should be a genuine urge...at the time of giving the number,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P. Astrologer.. .

RPs are Ruling Planets any given moment of time...that is ALL....

How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling Planets at Birth. ?

I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P. enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by seniors like you...

I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting them ...

Yogesh Lajmi

GOOD LUCK !

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.com

Friday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be reliable such kind of technique.

Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:

>> Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,> I have begun to think that such "stunning" tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on the sly and not openly...

> Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large client base...> With the very best wishes,and kind regards,> Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> @gro ups.com

> Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..>> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > dear lajmiji,> such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.

> i quote the one incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know

> his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini) ...again i asked> whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the chair and asked> me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...

> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> it happens many times.... try this...> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> > > >Dear Bhargav,> > This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> > TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from the "guide syndrome" ?

> > With best wishes,> > Yogesh Lajmi.> > GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >

> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >> >@gro ups.com

> >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> > > >Dear Sir, > >> >> >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with an example.

> >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >> >> >Pranams.> >Bhargav.> >> >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> >> >> >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>"ALL MEMBERS" <@ gro ups.com> > >>> >>Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, "tw853" <tw853 >

> >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> >>> >> > >>Dear MEMBERS,> >> Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...

> >> You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it....> >> Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client....

> >> The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !

> >> That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...> >> K.P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).

> >>> >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. .> >> > >> With the very best wishes,> >> Yogesh Lajmi.

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