The Miracle that is K.P....Some Points from RP & KP book

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1. In the RP & KP book, 1985, there are 41 articles (perhaps mostly from A & A

magazine) by 24 authors, including KM Subramaniam, KC Subramaniam, KR Kar, N

Moham.

2. At the end of preface, it is said that with the help of the RPSs, before a

consultant presents the chart, one can tell the RASI, birth star or even the

birth Lagna. (p x)

3. But it doesn't appear to make it easily; in the case of birth star and the

moment of birth, a time frame of 3:30 am to 5 am is given in the query (pp 1-3);

in the case of birth star, Lagna Cancer is given (pp 44-45); in the case of

birth Rasi, Li or Sc is given.

4. The same order of RPs as shown below is applied.

The original 5 ruling planets are listed below in their order of preference

(Original KP Vol 2, Sagar Publications, 1965 pp 273-4, 412; KP Reader VI p 123,

RP & KP pp ix, xvii, 32; Dr. Satya Prakash Chowdhary: Ruling Planets in KP):

1)Ascendant star lord

2)Ascendant sign lord

3)Moon star lord

4)Moon sign lord

5)Day Lord (Hindu Day from sunrise to next sunrise)

5. Some also consider the sub lords of Ascendant and Moon as ruling planets. (pp

65, 79, 108)

6. Strength of RPs is also considered in selection of final RPs.

7. RPs who are deposited in the sub of a planet in retrogression, or of a planet

signifying houses detrimental to the matter in question, and are also not any

way connected with the houes relevant to the matter in query are left out of

consideration.

8. Here it is to note that after thorough research it has been establiashed that

a RP fails to offer results only when it is in a sub of the lord which is

retrogrde, (p xvii) i.e. RP in the star of retrograde planet is not rejected as

said in KP Reader VI as follows:-

The ruling planets in retrograde do not prevent the event to take place but will

only give the result when they become direct in motion. Reject the ruling

planets which are posited in the star or sub of retrograde planets. (KP Reader

VI pp 167, 171, 176, 187, 202, 224, 274)

9. In a few cases, planets in conjunction or aspect to the ruling planets can

also be considered as ruling planest, especially if the planet is strong and

located in the ruling Ascendant itself.

10. RPs are the same for Natal or Horary, which rule the moment at the time of

judgment of any question,and any difference is not found.

 

 

 

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Suprakash ji,

>

> If we move time 6-7 minutes forward, Ascendant will transit into Mars

> nakshatra. As I earlier mentioned, there is known inaccuracy of few minutes,

> so we should not rule out Mars as ascendant Nakshatra. At somewhere after

> 10-11 minutes, we get Mars nakshatra and Rahu sub. My birth details are as

> follows - April 11, 1979. Time: 18:11. Place: Agra, UP.

>

> Also note some important points related to RP (my opinion, why you were not

> able to get correct time though you got the correct RPs) -

>

> 1. *RPs are not independent tool.* It should be used in conjunction with

> significators (horary or natal). It can be used as an independent tool only

> if we know the answer is positive and the event happens very soon in few

> hours (time span for possibility of happening the event is small). The way

> you are trying to fix the birth time (open ended with no clue of my possible

> time), is not possible with RP. *RPs can only be applied when the time span

> is known and quite short.*

> 2. *There is no concept of weaker or powerful RP.* All RPs are equally

> powerful. We need to apply RP in the context of available information (time

> span).

>

> I agree that we must conduct more experiments. I would not try

> myself because I am already convinced about RP and hence proving something

> already proven does not make much sense to me (for myself). More

> importantly, I am not able to motivate myself for this exercise due to the

> above said reason.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh

> > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Punitji

> >

> > I think it is the time the seniors should take the lead let us understand

> > why the prediction failed.

> > Why Merc is powerful?

> > Why Mars, the starlord of Asc doesn't appear at all in real birth RP.

> >

> > This can be a good case study for further understanding of KP concept.

> > However, a single case study doesn't always speak the truth. We must

> > conduct more such experiments.

> > I'd request some one from our group to try to find the ASC/rasi of TWji as

> > he has given consent.Will you please try?

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Suprakash

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > ** Punit Pandey <punitp

> > *To:*

> > *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2009 12:55 PM

> > *Subject:* Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....Punit's Birth

> > Time

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Suprakash ji,

> >

> > Very very interesting. According to my birth time, which may have few

> > minutes inaccuracy, I get follow details -

> >

> > Ascendant: 171D 59M 38S Me-Mo-Ve-Sa

> > Moon: 165D 44M 18S Me-Mo-Sa-Sa

> >

> > Essentially which means Mercury, Moon, Venus and Saturn can give us the

> > same Ascendant and Moon Position.

> >

> > First set of RPs that you got are -

> >

> > Mars, Venus, Rahu, Mercury, Moon

> >

> > Which covered everything but Sautrn. *Though, as you are just trying to

> > fix my ascendant, all planets tallied. Sounds very interesting case study.

> > *

> >

> > The reason you reached to incorrect conclusion because you dropped Mercury

> > from RP at the time of judgement. We need to dig a little further on why

> > Mercury is so poweful.

> >

> > Appreciate your efforts for trying RP based BTR practically.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Suprakash Ghosh <

> > suprakash.ghosh wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> I am going to test the theory again on Punitji as he has given

> >> permission.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Today, 17-August-2009 at 9:55:20 AM

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Ruling Planets are:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Asc star :Mars

> >>

> >> Asc rasi: Venus

> >>

> >> Moon star : Rahu

> >>

> >> Moon Sign :Merc

> >>

> >> Day lord: Moon

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> (Venus appears as sub-lord of both asc and moon)

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> 1 .Mars in sub of Merc, no planet in star of Merc and mercury a RP, also

> >> mars is asc starlord.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> 2. Venus in sub of Merc, no planet in star of Merc and mercury a RP, also

> >> venus is asc lord.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> 3. Rahu in sub of Sat, sat not in RP

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> 4. Merc in sub of Sun, sun not in RP also strength wise it is weak as

> >> being moon rasi lord.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> 5. Moon in sub of Ven and in star of Rahu, both are RP

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Strong significators are : Mars, Venus and Moon

> >>

> >> It appears that Venus is stronger as it appears both as asc and moon

> >> sublord.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Possible positions are : Aris – venus star –Moon sub

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Taurus – moon star- mars sub

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Taurus – Mars star- moon sub

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Libra- Mars star-moon sub

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> As venus appears to be stronger being both asc and moon sublord, the

> >> possible signs are Libra or Taurus. Even then we have three options.

> >>

> >> So I sought divine help at 10:26:46 AM again only to guide me to select

> >> one out of the three.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> RP at that time are:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Asc : Venus- Rahu- (Sat)

> >>

> >> Moon: Merc-Rah-(Ven)

> >>

> >> Day : Moon

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Interestingly Rahu appears as strong significator this time.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> So I inspected rahu. Rahi represents Saturn being in Makara. Saturn conj

> >> with Mercury, the initial RP. Rahu is also in sub of Sat.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Rahu star is only in Libra.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> So the Rasi must be Libra- Mars star- Moon sub.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Punitji please confirm.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> -

> >> ** Punit Pandey <punitp

> >> *To:*

> >> *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2009 12:59 AM

> >> *Subject:* Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Dear Suprakash ji,

> >>

> >> Personal information is anyways personal information and we should leave

> >> it up to individual whether to reveal it or not. No reply from Lajmi ji

> >> clearly suggests that he is not interested in sharing this information and

> >> we should accept it. It should be his choice.

> >>

> >> You are free to test it on my details.

> >>

> >> Thanks & Regards,

> >>

> >> Punit Pandey

> >>

> >>

> >> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:54 PM, S.Ghosh <suprakash.ghoshwrote:

> >>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Dear Friends,

> >>>

> >>> If asking one's lagna position from a senior member for verification of a

> >>> truth hurts him and appears as action of contempt, I'm sorry as I have

done

> >>> it without any intention but to test the theory.

> >>>

> >>> It appears that Lajmiji advises a lot to get out of " Guidance Syndrome "

> >>> but when a learner tries on its own, being a senior member he doesn't play

> >>> his role to point out the learner's mistakes.

> >>>

> >>> Anyway, I seek permission from TWji to test his Rasi position through RP

> >>> and I'll post the result again in this forum.

> >>>

> >>> Suprakash

> >>>

> >>> <%40>,

> >>> " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> >>> >

> >>> > Dear Friends,

> >>> > Nothing seems wrorng for a member to try this technique of stunning the

> >>> clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room, and to

> >>> request the provider of this rule to confirm whether his observation is

> >>> stunning the provider or not, as requested " Members are requested to try

> >>> this out and inform their observations at this site,please. " It may not be

> >>> problem to answer whether the member's observation is right or wrong.

> >>> Satish's saying is worthy to note that every body is equal under this sky

> >>> and so not to address him Satish ji.

> >>> > Regards,

> >>> > tw

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> > <%40>,

> >>> " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Dear group members,

> >>> > >

> >>> > > This type of testing on a senior member is not acceptable as its is

> >>> > > unparliamentary sort of behaviour. There are hundreds of occasions in

> >>> > > ones daily Life to check the validity of RP's and in any case, if

> >>> > > someone finds it effective, then use it, or otherwise do not. Nobody

> >>> is

> >>> > > forcing anyone. But a senior member who is giving his experience here

> >>> > > and sharing same, if one is going to attempt from a senior

> >>> memberbehaviour and

> >>>

> >>> > > chiding ones senior elder, then this will not go unnoticed, and

> >>> neither

> >>> > > a act to feel happy about. I wonder why no other member has spoken

> >>> > > strongly against this.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Why must he be bound to reveal his Lagna and other details ? Why

> >>> cannot

> >>> > > the member who is testing RP's do it on his own family members and

> >>> then

> >>> > > report to the Group, about his findings ?

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Bhaskar.

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > > <%40>,

> >>> " S.Ghosh " <suprakash.ghosh@>

> >>> > > wrote:

> >>> > > >

> >>> > > > I'm also a learner.

> >>> > > > I have tried to test the RP application suggested by Lajmiji

> >>> himself.

> >>> > > > I'd request him to confirm his lagna/sign position for further

> >>> > > discussion.

> >>> > > >

> >>> > > > Regards

> >>> > > >

> >>> > > > Suprakash

> >>> > > >

> >>> > > >

> >>> > > > <%40>,

> >>> Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:

> >>> > > > >

> >>> > > > > Thanks for your reply Dear Suprakashji.

> >>> > > > > Wish you a nice day ahead.

> >>> > > > > Dr. Rath

> >>> > > > >

> >>> > > > >

> >>> > > > >

> >>> > > > >

> >>> > > > > ________________________________

> >>> > > > > S.Ghosh suprakash.ghosh@

> >>> > > > > <%40>

> >>> > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:46:46 PM

> >>> > > > > Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>> > > > >

> >>> > > > > Â

> >>> > > > > Venus is in star and sub of Jup in retrogression. hence

> >>> rejected.Jup

> >>> > > is not in RP. (Wrongly I have mentioned it as day lord..actually day

> >>> > > lord should be Venus)

> >>> > > > >

> >>> > > > > As per order of strength, Sun is in 3rd position.

> >>> > > > >

> >>> > > > > My urge was to know the Sign position..not the sub. So the

> >>> strongest

> >>> > > planets must guide me for sign only.

> >>> > > > >

> >>> > > > > Yes thre are equal possibility of being Makar Lagna and in star

> >>> of

> >>> > > Sravana.I have selected Cancer as one of the strong RPs Sun is

> >>> posited

> >>> > > there.

> >>> > > > >

> >>> > > > > Regards

> >>> > > > >

> >>> > > > > Suprakash

> >>> > > > >

> >>> > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@>

> >>> > > wrote:

> >>> > > > > >

> >>> > > > > > Why not in Sun Star and Venus sub in Capricorn?

> >>> > > > > > Dr. Rath

> >>> > > > > >

> >>> > > > > >

> >>> > > > > >

> >>> > > > > >

> >>> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >>> > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ ...>

> >>> > > > > > @gro ups.com

> >>> > > > > > Friday, August 14, 2009 5:34:31 PM

> >>> > > > > > Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>> > > > > >

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > Today, 14 August, at 5:20:58 PM,I had an urge to know the Lagna

> >>> > > Position of Lajmiji.

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > At Calcutta, ruling planets are:

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > Asc star :Moon

> >>> > > > > > Asc rasi :Saturn

> >>> > > > > > Moon Star:Sun

> >>> > > > > > Moon Sign:Venus

> >>> > > > > > Day Lord:Jupiter

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > Moon is strongest being asc star, also in star of Sun, another

> >>> RP

> >>> > > and sub of Merc, though not in RP, bur conj with Sat, asc lord.

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > Saturn in next strong being in star and sub of sun, Sun is Moon

> >>> > > star lord.

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > Next strong is Sun being in star of Sat and in  sub of

> >>> > > merc.

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > Jup is retrograde : eliminated

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > Venus : In star and sub of jup retrograde: eliminated.

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > So, Lajmiji’s sign must be : Cancer, Pushya nakstra,

> >>> > > Sun Sub.

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > Lajmiji, please confirm.

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > -

> >>> > > > > > >Yogesh Lajmi

> >>> > > > > > >@gro ups.com

> >>> > > > > > >Cc: astro logy

> >>> > > > > > >Friday, August 14, 2009 9:56 AM

> >>> > > > > > >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>> > > > > > >

> >>> > > > > > >ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > >Dear Azeem,

> >>> > > > > > >       ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >   As per K.P., every moment in Time is Ruled by

> >>> > > atleast 5 Planets...

> >>> > > > > > >       ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >   They are,in order of strength, the Starlord of the

> >>> > > Ascendant Rising(at that time),the Signlord of that Ascendant,,the

> >>> > > Moon's starlord,the Moon's Signlord and the Day lord...recent

> >>> > > researchers have added the sublords of the Ascendant and Moon to

> >>> these

> >>> > > 5, making it 7 Planets... This epoch-making

> >>> > > discovery/invention has made our late Guruji,Jyotish Marthand,K.S.

> >>> > > Krishnamurthiji, immortal. ..!

> >>> > > > > > >       ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >   These RPs play a very important role...for example, the

> >>> > > Ruling Planets at your Birth will play an important role in bringing

> >>> > > about almost every important event in your Life...and so on...there

> >>> are

> >>> > > many applications of RPs in K.P.

> >>> > > > > > >       ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >   With best wishes,

> >>> > > > > > >       ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >   Yogesh Lajmi,ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > >       ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >     GOOD LUCK !

> >>> > > > > > >

> >>> > > > > > >

> >>> > > > > > >

> >>> > > > > > >

> >>> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >>> > > > > > astro logy <astro_logy66@ >

> >>> > > > > > >@gro ups.com

> >>> > > > > > >Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:32:52 PM

> >>> > > > > > >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>> > > > > > >

> >>> > > > > > >ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > >Respected Yogesh ji

> >>> > > > > > >can you explain what is the RPs. i ll be very much thankful to

> >>> > > you for this act of kindness.

> >>> > > > > > >Azeem (student of kp system of astrology)

> >>> > > > > > >

> >>> > > > > > >--- On Tue, 8/11/09, Bhargava Ram gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> >>> wrote:

> >>> > > > > > >

> >>> > > > > > >

> >>> > > > > > >>Bhargava Ram gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> >>> > > > > > >>Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>> > > > > > >>@gro ups.com

> >>> > > > > > >>Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 7:56 AM

> >>> > > > > > >>

> >>> > > > > > >>

> >>> > > > > > >>ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > >>Dear Sir,

> >>> > > > > > >>

> >>> > > > > > >>

> >>> > > > > > >>As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with an

> >>> > > example.

> >>> > > > > > >>Which will be helpful for learners like me.

> >>> > > > > > >>

> >>> > > > > > >>

> >>> > > > > > >>Pranams.

> >>> > > > > > >>Bhargav.

> >>> > > > > > >>

> >>> > > > > > >>--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> >>> > > wrote:

> >>> > > > > > >>

> >>> > > > > > >>

> >>> > > > > > >>>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> >>> > > > > > >>> The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>> > > > > > >>> " ALL MEMBERS " <@ gro ups.com>

> >>> > > > > > >>>Cc: " Punit Pandey " punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " tw853 " tw853 (AT) (DOT)

> >>> > > com>

> >>> > > > > > >>>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM

> >>> > > > > > >>>

> >>> > > > > > >>>

> >>> > > > > > >>>ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > >>>Dear MEMBERS,

> >>> > > > > > >>>       ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >  Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...

> >>> > > > > > >>>       ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > > You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be

> >>> > > surprised,especiall y if he knows it...

> >>> > > > > > >>>       ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >  Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling

> >>> > > his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were

> >>> > > sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the

> >>> > > utter surprise of the client...

> >>> > > > > > >>>       ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >  The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at

> >>> > > your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs

> >>> at

> >>> > > that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in

> >>> > > which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of

> >>> > > the person      ÂÂ

> >>> > >   Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without

> >>> > > even looking at the horoscope... !

> >>> > > > > > >>>       ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >   That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you

> >>> > > perform...

> >>> > > > > > >>>       ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >    K..P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in

> >>> > > case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign

> >>> of

> >>> > > a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).

> >>> > > > > > >>>

> >>> > > > > > >>> Members are requested to try this out and inform their

> >>> > > observations at this site,please.

> >>> > > > > > >>>ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > >>>       ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >   With the very best wishes,

> >>> > > > > > >>>       ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >   Yogesh Lajmi.

> >>> > > > > > >>>       ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >     ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > >>>

> >>> > > > > > >>__________ _________ _________ ____

> >>> > > > > > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer

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[Guest guest]

Dear Fiends,

 

Tw ji has shared extracts from RP & KP. Someone requested all RP related points at one place and as always, Tw ji has done it beautifully. This extracts are very useful but should be used with caution. I have few points to share based on my personal experience and I hope that it will be useful -

 

1. RP & KP book should not be used as reference. In my opinion, this is the book that created lots of confusion in beginners mind. People read it and try to achieve the same and when they don't get results, they say that RP doesnt' work. We need to understand that the articles in this book are research articles and some of the techniques mentioned are not validated on larger sample and hence unreliable. Always refer III reader or VI reader for the application of RP.

2. Extension to what I said above, RP & KP book misguided us that RP are independent tools and some of the examples give impression that everything can be predicted with RP. It is not true and should be avoided. As I earlier mentioned, RPs are useful only when the timespan is known and for few hours. I believe it would be good to say that " RP are NOT predictive tool but merely selection tool. "

3. Shri KSK has not used any aspects (Hindu or Western) with RP so aspects should be avoided.

4. Shri KSK has used time chart in conjunction with RP, so time charts can be useful with RP.

5. Shri KSK has not selected 'most powerful significator' and didn't use any 'elimination mechanism' other than planet in the star of retrograde planets should be eliminated. People fall in trap when they try to select most powerful significator.

6. 'Planet in the sub of retrograde planet needs to be eliminated' is mentioned in VI reader but never used by Shri KSK. Seeing that it is in italics, I believe that it is added later on. I would request people who have 1965 and 1971 edition to verify it.

7. Shri KSK has used 5 planets and that should be used. In couple of examples, we also see use of four planets excluding Ascendant Nakshatra Lord. My educated guess is that he has done this to avoid calculation, as rest of the information is directly available from ephemeris.

8. Shri KSK talked about importance of querent's urge in application of RP. I personally believe that success of RP has more to do with astrologer's clarity of mind than the urge. There is possibility that urge and clarity are somehow interlinked, but as it is difficult to measure/ correlate, I'll not talk more about it.

 

I again reiterate that RP & KP book should be used with caution. I have experimented with this book for the last 15 years and I wanted to share my experience with this book and RP in general. If we will use RP as 'solution of all problems', then we are going to make mistake.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

1. In the RP & KP book, 1985, there are 41 articles (perhaps mostly from A & A magazine) by 24 authors, including KM Subramaniam, KC Subramaniam, KR Kar, N Moham.2. At the end of preface, it is said that with the help of the RPSs, before a consultant presents the chart, one can tell the RASI, birth star or even the birth Lagna. (p x)

3. But it doesn't appear to make it easily; in the case of birth star and the moment of birth, a time frame of 3:30 am to 5 am is given in the query (pp 1-3); in the case of birth star, Lagna Cancer is given (pp 44-45); in the case of birth Rasi, Li or Sc is given.

4. The same order of RPs as shown below is applied. The original 5 ruling planets are listed below in their order of preference (Original KP Vol 2, Sagar Publications, 1965 pp 273-4, 412; KP Reader VI p 123, RP & KP pp ix, xvii, 32; Dr. Satya Prakash Chowdhary: Ruling Planets in KP):

1)Ascendant star lord2)Ascendant sign lord3)Moon star lord4)Moon sign lord5)Day Lord (Hindu Day from sunrise to next sunrise)5. Some also consider the sub lords of Ascendant and Moon as ruling planets. (pp 65, 79, 108)

6. Strength of RPs is also considered in selection of final RPs.7. RPs who are deposited in the sub of a planet in retrogression, or of a planet signifying houses detrimental to the matter in question, and are also not any way connected with the houes relevant to the matter in query are left out of consideration.

8. Here it is to note that after thorough research it has been establiashed that a RP fails to offer results only when it is in a sub of the lord which is retrogrde, (p xvii) i.e. RP in the star of retrograde planet is not rejected as said in KP Reader VI as follows:-

The ruling planets in retrograde do not prevent the event to take place but will only give the result when they become direct in motion. Reject the ruling planets which are posited in the star or sub of retrograde planets. (KP Reader VI pp 167, 171, 176, 187, 202, 224, 274)

9. In a few cases, planets in conjunction or aspect to the ruling planets can also be considered as ruling planest, especially if the planet is strong and located in the ruling Ascendant itself. 10. RPs are the same for Natal or Horary, which rule the moment at the time of judgment of any question,and any difference is not found.

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Suprakash ji,> > If we move time 6-7 minutes forward, Ascendant will transit into Mars

> nakshatra. As I earlier mentioned, there is known inaccuracy of few minutes,> so we should not rule out Mars as ascendant Nakshatra. At somewhere after> 10-11 minutes, we get Mars nakshatra and Rahu sub. My birth details are as

> follows - April 11, 1979. Time: 18:11. Place: Agra, UP.> > Also note some important points related to RP (my opinion, why you were not> able to get correct time though you got the correct RPs) -

> > 1. *RPs are not independent tool.* It should be used in conjunction with> significators (horary or natal). It can be used as an independent tool only> if we know the answer is positive and the event happens very soon in few

> hours (time span for possibility of happening the event is small). The way> you are trying to fix the birth time (open ended with no clue of my possible> time), is not possible with RP. *RPs can only be applied when the time span

> is known and quite short.*> 2. *There is no concept of weaker or powerful RP.* All RPs are equally> powerful. We need to apply RP in the context of available information (time> span).>

> I agree that we must conduct more experiments. I would not try> myself because I am already convinced about RP and hence proving something> already proven does not make much sense to me (for myself). More

> importantly, I am not able to motivate myself for this exercise due to the> above said reason.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh

> > wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Punitji> >> > I think it is the time the seniors should take the lead let us understand> > why the prediction failed.

> > Why Merc is powerful?> > Why Mars, the starlord of Asc doesn't appear at all in real birth RP.> >> > This can be a good case study for further understanding of KP concept.> > However, a single case study doesn't always speak the truth. We must

> > conduct more such experiments.> > I'd request some one from our group to try to find the ASC/rasi of TWji as> > he has given consent.Will you please try?> >> > Regards

> >> > Suprakash> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -> > ** Punit Pandey <punitp> > *To:*

> > *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2009 12:55 PM> > *Subject:* Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....Punit's Birth> > Time> >> >> >> > Dear Suprakash ji,

> >> > Very very interesting. According to my birth time, which may have few> > minutes inaccuracy, I get follow details -> >> > Ascendant: 171D 59M 38S Me-Mo-Ve-Sa> > Moon: 165D 44M 18S Me-Mo-Sa-Sa

> >> > Essentially which means Mercury, Moon, Venus and Saturn can give us the> > same Ascendant and Moon Position.> >> > First set of RPs that you got are -> >> > Mars, Venus, Rahu, Mercury, Moon

> >> > Which covered everything but Sautrn. *Though, as you are just trying to> > fix my ascendant, all planets tallied. Sounds very interesting case study.> > *> >> > The reason you reached to incorrect conclusion because you dropped Mercury

> > from RP at the time of judgement. We need to dig a little further on why> > Mercury is so poweful.> >> > Appreciate your efforts for trying RP based BTR practically.> >

> > Thanks & Regards,> >> > Punit Pandey> >> >> > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Suprakash Ghosh <> > suprakash.ghosh wrote:> >

> >>> >>> >> I am going to test the theory again on Punitji as he has given> >> permission.> >>> >>> >>> >> Today, 17-August-2009 at 9:55:20 AM

> >>> >>> >>> >> Ruling Planets are:> >>> >>> >>> >> Asc star :Mars> >>> >> Asc rasi: Venus

> >>> >> Moon star : Rahu> >>> >> Moon Sign :Merc> >>> >> Day lord: Moon> >>> >>> >>> >> (Venus appears as sub-lord of both asc and moon)

> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> 1 .Mars in sub of Merc, no planet in star of Merc and mercury a RP, also> >> mars is asc starlord.> >>

> >>> >>> >> 2. Venus in sub of Merc, no planet in star of Merc and mercury a RP, also> >> venus is asc lord.> >>> >>> >>> >> 3. Rahu in sub of Sat, sat not in RP

> >>> >>> >>> >> 4. Merc in sub of Sun, sun not in RP also strength wise it is weak as> >> being moon rasi lord.> >>> >>> >>

> >> 5. Moon in sub of Ven and in star of Rahu, both are RP> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Strong significators are : Mars, Venus and Moon

> >>> >> It appears that Venus is stronger as it appears both as asc and moon> >> sublord.> >>> >>> >>> >> Possible positions are : Aris – venus star –Moon sub

> >>> >>> >>> >> Taurus – moon star- mars sub> >>> >>> >>> >> Taurus – Mars star- moon sub> >>> >>

> >>> >> Libra- Mars star-moon sub> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> As venus appears to be stronger being both asc and moon sublord, the

> >> possible signs are Libra or Taurus. Even then we have three options.> >>> >> So I sought divine help at 10:26:46 AM again only to guide me to select> >> one out of the three.

> >>> >>> >>> >> RP at that time are:> >>> >>> >>> >> Asc : Venus- Rahu- (Sat)> >>> >> Moon: Merc-Rah-(Ven)

> >>> >> Day : Moon> >>> >>> >>> >> Interestingly Rahu appears as strong significator this time.> >>> >>> >>

> >> So I inspected rahu. Rahi represents Saturn being in Makara. Saturn conj> >> with Mercury, the initial RP. Rahu is also in sub of Sat.> >>> >>> >>> >> Rahu star is only in Libra.

> >>> >>> >>> >> So the Rasi must be Libra- Mars star- Moon sub.> >>> >>> >>> >> Punitji please confirm.> >>

> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -> >> ** Punit Pandey <punitp> >> *To:*

> >> *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2009 12:59 AM> >> *Subject:* Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >>> >>> >>> >> Dear Suprakash ji,

> >>> >> Personal information is anyways personal information and we should leave> >> it up to individual whether to reveal it or not. No reply from Lajmi ji> >> clearly suggests that he is not interested in sharing this information and

> >> we should accept it. It should be his choice.> >>> >> You are free to test it on my details.> >>> >> Thanks & Regards,> >>> >> Punit Pandey

> >>> >>> >> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:54 PM, S.Ghosh <suprakash.ghoshwrote:> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> Dear Friends,> >>>

> >>> If asking one's lagna position from a senior member for verification of a> >>> truth hurts him and appears as action of contempt, I'm sorry as I have done> >>> it without any intention but to test the theory.

> >>>> >>> It appears that Lajmiji advises a lot to get out of " Guidance Syndrome " > >>> but when a learner tries on its own, being a senior member he doesn't play

> >>> his role to point out the learner's mistakes.> >>>> >>> Anyway, I seek permission from TWji to test his Rasi position through RP> >>> and I'll post the result again in this forum.

> >>>> >>> Suprakash> >>>> >>> <%40>,

> >>> " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:> >>> >> >>> > Dear Friends,> >>> > Nothing seems wrorng for a member to try this technique of stunning the

> >>> clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room, and to> >>> request the provider of this rule to confirm whether his observation is> >>> stunning the provider or not, as requested " Members are requested to try

> >>> this out and inform their observations at this site,please. " It may not be> >>> problem to answer whether the member's observation is right or wrong.> >>> Satish's saying is worthy to note that every body is equal under this sky

> >>> and so not to address him Satish ji.> >>> > Regards,> >>> > tw> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > <%40>,

> >>> " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > Dear group members,> >>> > >> >>> > > This type of testing on a senior member is not acceptable as its is

> >>> > > unparliamentary sort of behaviour. There are hundreds of occasions in> >>> > > ones daily Life to check the validity of RP's and in any case, if> >>> > > someone finds it effective, then use it, or otherwise do not. Nobody

> >>> is> >>> > > forcing anyone. But a senior member who is giving his experience here> >>> > > and sharing same, if one is going to attempt from a senior> >>> memberbehaviour and

> >>>> >>> > > chiding ones senior elder, then this will not go unnoticed, and> >>> neither> >>> > > a act to feel happy about. I wonder why no other member has spoken

> >>> > > strongly against this.> >>> > >> >>> > > Why must he be bound to reveal his Lagna and other details ? Why> >>> cannot> >>> > > the member who is testing RP's do it on his own family members and

> >>> then> >>> > > report to the Group, about his findings ?> >>> > >> >>> > > Bhaskar.> >>> > >> >>> > >

> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > <%40>,

> >>> " S.Ghosh " <suprakash.ghosh@>> >>> > > wrote:> >>> > > >> >>> > > > I'm also a learner.> >>> > > > I have tried to test the RP application suggested by Lajmiji

> >>> himself.> >>> > > > I'd request him to confirm his lagna/sign position for further> >>> > > discussion.> >>> > > >> >>> > > > Regards

> >>> > > >> >>> > > > Suprakash> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > <%40>,

> >>> Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > Thanks for your reply Dear Suprakashji.> >>> > > > > Wish you a nice day ahead.

> >>> > > > > Dr. Rath> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > ________________________________

> >>> > > > > S.Ghosh suprakash.ghosh@> >>> > > > > <%40>

> >>> > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:46:46 PM> >>> > > > > Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > Â

> >>> > > > > Venus is in star and sub of Jup in retrogression. hence> >>> rejected.Jup> >>> > > is not in RP. (Wrongly I have mentioned it as day lord..actually day

> >>> > > lord should be Venus)> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > As per order of strength, Sun is in 3rd position.> >>> > > > >

> >>> > > > > My urge was to know the Sign position..not the sub. So the> >>> strongest> >>> > > planets must guide me for sign only.> >>> > > > >

> >>> > > > > Yes thre are equal possibility of being Makar Lagna and in star> >>> of> >>> > > Sravana.I have selected Cancer as one of the strong RPs Sun is

> >>> posited> >>> > > there.> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > Regards> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > Suprakash

> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@>> >>> > > wrote:

> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Why not in Sun Star and Venus sub in Capricorn?> >>> > > > > > Dr. Rath> >>> > > > > >

> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> >>> > > > > > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ ...>

> >>> > > > > > @gro ups.com> >>> > > > > > Friday, August 14, 2009 5:34:31 PM> >>> > > > > > Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ> >>> > > > > > Today, 14 August, at 5:20:58 PM,I had an urge to know the Lagna> >>> > > Position of Lajmiji.

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ> >>> > > > > > At Calcutta, ruling planets are:> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ> >>> > > > > > Asc star :Moon

> >>> > > > > > Asc rasi :Saturn> >>> > > > > > Moon Star:Sun> >>> > > > > > Moon Sign:Venus> >>> > > > > > Day Lord:Jupiter

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ> >>> > > > > > Moon is strongest being asc star, also in star of Sun, another> >>> RP> >>> > > and sub of Merc, though not in RP, bur conj with Sat, asc lord.

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ> >>> > > > > > Saturn in next strong being in star and sub of sun, Sun is Moon> >>> > > star lord.> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > Next strong is Sun being in star of Sat and in  sub of> >>> > > merc.> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > Jup is retrograde : eliminated> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ> >>> > > > > > Venus : In star and sub of jup retrograde: eliminated.

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ> >>> > > > > > So, Lajmiji’s sign must be : Cancer, Pushya nakstra,> >>> > > Sun Sub.

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ> >>> > > > > > Lajmiji, please confirm.> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ> >>> > > > > > ÂÂ> >>> > > > > > -> >>> > > > > > >Yogesh Lajmi

> >>> > > > > > >@gro ups.com> >>> > > > > > >Cc: astro logy> >>> > > > > > >Friday, August 14, 2009 9:56 AM

> >>> > > > > > >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >ÂÂ> >>> > > > > > >Dear Azeem,

> >>> > > > > > >       ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ> >>> > >   As per K.P., every moment in Time is Ruled by

> >>> > > atleast 5 Planets...> >>> > > > > > >       ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ> >>> > >   They are,in order of strength, the Starlord of the

> >>> > > Ascendant Rising(at that time),the Signlord of that Ascendant,,the> >>> > > Moon's starlord,the Moon's Signlord and the Day lord...recent> >>> > > researchers have added the sublords of the Ascendant and Moon to

> >>> these> >>> > > 5, making it 7 Planets... This epoch-making> >>> > > discovery/invention has made our late Guruji,Jyotish Marthand,K.S.> >>> > > Krishnamurthiji, immortal. ..!

> >>> > > > > > >       ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ> >>> > >   These RPs play a very important role...for example, the

> >>> > > Ruling Planets at your Birth will play an important role in bringing> >>> > > about almost every important event in your Life...and so on...there> >>> are

> >>> > > many applications of RPs in K.P.> >>> > > > > > >       ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ> >>> > >   With best wishes,

> >>> > > > > > >       ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ> >>> > >   Yogesh Lajmi,ÂÂ> >>> > > > > > >       ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >     GOOD LUCK !> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >

> >>> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> >>> > > > > > astro logy <astro_logy66@ >

> >>> > > > > > >@gro ups.com> >>> > > > > > >Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:32:52 PM

> >>> > > > > > >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >ÂÂ> >>> > > > > > >Respected Yogesh ji

> >>> > > > > > >can you explain what is the RPs. i ll be very much thankful to> >>> > > you for this act of kindness.> >>> > > > > > >Azeem (student of kp system of astrology)

> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >--- On Tue, 8/11/09, Bhargava Ram gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in>> >>> wrote:

> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >>Bhargava Ram gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> >>> > > > > > >>Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >>> > > > > > >>@gro ups.com

> >>> > > > > > >>Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 7:56 AM> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > >>ÂÂ

> >>> > > > > > >>Dear Sir,> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > >>As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with an

> >>> > > example.> >>> > > > > > >>Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > >>

> >>> > > > > > >>Pranams.> >>> > > > > > >>Bhargav.> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > >>--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> >>> > > wrote:> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > > >>>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> >>> > > > > > >>> The Miracle that is K.P....> >>> > > > > > >>> " ALL MEMBERS " <@ gro ups.com>

> >>> > > > > > >>>Cc: " Punit Pandey " punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " tw853 " tw853 (AT) (DOT) > >>> > > com>> >>> > > > > > >>>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM

> >>> > > > > > >>>> >>> > > > > > >>>> >>> > > > > > >>>ÂÂ> >>> > > > > > >>>Dear MEMBERS,

> >>> > > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >  Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...> >>> > > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ> >>> > > You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be> >>> > > surprised,especiall y if he knows it...

> >>> > > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >  Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling> >>> > > his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were> >>> > > sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the

> >>> > > utter surprise of the client...> >>> > > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >  The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at> >>> > > your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs> >>> at

> >>> > > that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in> >>> > > which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of> >>> > > the person      ÂÂ

> >>> > >   Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without> >>> > > even looking at the horoscope... !> >>> > > > > > >>>       ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ> >>> > >   That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you

> >>> > > perform...> >>> > > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >    K..P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in> >>> > > case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign> >>> of> >>> > > a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).

> >>> > > > > > >>>> >>> > > > > > >>> Members are requested to try this out and inform their> >>> > > observations at this site,please.

> >>> > > > > > >>>ÂÂ> >>> > > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >   With the very best wishes,> >>> > > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >         ÂÂ> >>> > >   Yogesh Lajmi.> >>> > > > > > >>>       ÂÂ> >>> > >         ÂÂ

> >>> > >     ÂÂ> >>> > > > > > >>>> >>> > > > > > >>__________ _________ _________ ____> >>> > > > > > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer

> >>> Internet> >>> > > Explorer 8.> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >

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