Guest guest Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 Respectable Seniors and friends, My due respects to all. The attached file is a study on how safe is to use the sub-subs and sub-sub-subs in a Natal Chart or Horary. I invite your comments , opinion and answer to my question at the end. I shall be grateful for your replies. Dr. Rath 1 of 1 File(s) UTILITY OF SUB-SUB.doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 Dear Adithji, There is not much of change in planetary position in one minute of time. Very rarely the sub-sub may change when it is marginal. But it is considerably dangerous if considered for Ascendant and the cusps. This is applicable for Horary Time Chart also. Thank you for your appreciation. Dr. Rath adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 2:37:07 PMRe: Utility of Sub-subs Dear Dr. Rath,Nice Study !Sub Sub Usage may be useful in case of the Planetary positions and danger in case of Cuspal positions.This is the Andra lord which plays the key role in case of Moon. Similarly the Andra Lord (sub sub) of other planets may also have some impact on the Planetary significations. .When we find two planets are in the same star and sub, the sub sub level can also be considered to know the strength of the planets.All these need to be studied well.Good Luck for your consistent study on such things!RegardsAdith On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: [Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below] Respectable Seniors and friends,My due respects to all.The attached file is a study on how safe is to use the sub-subs and sub-sub-subs in a Natal Chart or Horary.I invite your comments , opinion and answer to my question at the end.I shall be grateful for your replies.Dr. Rath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Dear Dr. Rath ji, 1. As aware, KP goes with rationale and logical reasoning, basically planet is a source, star the result and the SUB a deciding factor whether the matter is favorable or not. It stops at the SUB. 2. What would be the rationale of SUB SUB or SUB SUB SUB? How and where to use effectively? 3. Technically up to the SUB level, even up to SUB SUB level, it has been generally found no significant changes, except in the border line cases. /message/16101 /message/16006?threaded=1 /message/4218?threaded=1 /message/3477?threaded=1 /message/3477?threaded=1 /message/1423?threaded=1 Regards, tw , Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: > > Dear Adithji, > There is not much of change in planetary position in one minute of time. Very rarely the sub-sub may change when it is marginal. But it is considerably dangerous if considered for Ascendant and the cusps. This is applicable for Horary Time Chart also. Thank you for your appreciation. > Dr. Rath > > > > > ________________________________ > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath > > Saturday, September 5, 2009 2:37:07 PM > Re: Utility of Sub-subs > > > Dear Dr. Rath, > > Nice Study ! > > Sub Sub Usage may be useful in case of the Planetary positions and danger in case of Cuspal positions. > > This is the Andra lord which plays the key role in case of Moon. Similarly the Andra Lord (sub sub) of other planets may also have some impact on the Planetary significations. . > > When we find two planets are in the same star and sub, the sub sub level can also be considered to know the strength of the planets. > > All these need to be studied well. > > Good Luck for your consistent study on such things! > > Regards > Adith > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: > > > >[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below] > > > > > >Respectable Seniors and friends, > >My due respects to all. > >The attached file is a study on how safe is to use the sub-subs and sub-sub-subs in a Natal Chart or Horary. > >I invite your comments , opinion and answer to my question at the end. > >I shall be grateful for your replies. > >Dr. Rath > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Respected Sir, 1. It is OK. 2. Sub-sub and perhaps sub-sub-sub can be used safely for Planets. But it is never safe to use sub-sub fro the ascendant and cusps of Natal charts and time charts. Yes, in 30 % of cases it may click but in 70 % of cases it may be wrong. 3. In the constellation of Sun one may miss sun, Moon, Mars and Rahu sub-subs. Because all of the together do not constitute 15 minutes. You can imagine in other constellations too. Particularly it happens do in the constellations of Sun, Mars and Moon constellation. Dr. Rath tw853 <tw853 Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2009 9:20:52 AM Re: Utility of Sub-subs Dear Dr. Rath ji,1. As aware, KP goes with rationale and logical reasoning, basically planet is a source, star the result and the SUB a deciding factor whether the matter is favorable or not. It stops at the SUB.2. What would be the rationale of SUB SUB or SUB SUB SUB? How and where to use effectively?3. Technically up to the SUB level, even up to SUB SUB level, it has been generally found no significant changes, except in the border line cases.http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16101http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16006?threaded= 1http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 4218?threaded= 1http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 3477?threaded= 1http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 3477?threaded= 1http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 1423?threaded= 1 Regards,tw@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Adithji,> There is not much of change in planetary position in one minute of time. Very rarely the sub-sub may change when it is marginal. But it is considerably dangerous if considered for Ascendant and the cusps. This is applicable for Horary Time Chart also. Thank you for your appreciation. > Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Saturday, September 5, 2009 2:37:07 PM> Re: Utility of Sub-subs> > > Dear Dr. Rath,> > Nice Study !> > Sub Sub Usage may be useful in case of the Planetary positions and danger in case of Cuspal positions.> > This is the Andra lord which plays the key role in case of Moon. Similarly the Andra Lord (sub sub) of other planets may also have some impact on the Planetary significations. .> > When we find two planets are in the same star and sub, the sub sub level can also be considered to know the strength of the planets.> > All these need to be studied well.> > Good Luck for your consistent study on such things!> > Regards> Adith> > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > > >[Attachment( s) from Luther Rath included below] > >> >> >Respectable Seniors and friends,> >My due respects to all.> >The attached file is a study on how safe is to use the sub-subs and sub-sub-subs in a Natal Chart or Horary.> >I invite your comments , opinion and answer to my question at the end.> >I shall be grateful for your replies.> >Dr. Rath> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Dear Friend, It appears that changes in sub sub of the 9 planets are concluded on the basis of Lagna's moving speed other than each planet's different moving speed, which seems not correct. Regards, tw , Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: > > Respected Sir, > 1. It is OK. > 2. Sub-sub and perhaps sub-sub-sub can be used safely for Planets. But it is never safe to use sub-sub fro the ascendant and cusps of Natal charts and time charts. Yes, in 30 % of cases it may click but in 70 % of cases it may be wrong. > 3. In the constellation of Sun one may miss sun, Moon, Mars and Rahu sub-subs. Because all of the together do not constitute 15 minutes. You can imagine in other constellations too. Particularly it happens do in the constellations of Sun, Mars and Moon constellation. > Dr. Rath > > > > > ________________________________ > tw853 <tw853 > > Sunday, September 6, 2009 9:20:52 AM > Re: Utility of Sub-subs > > > Dear Dr. Rath ji, > 1. As aware, KP goes with rationale and logical reasoning, basically planet is a source, star the result and the SUB a deciding factor whether the matter is favorable or not. It stops at the SUB. > 2. What would be the rationale of SUB SUB or SUB SUB SUB? How and where to use effectively? > 3. Technically up to the SUB level, even up to SUB SUB level, it has been generally found no significant changes, except in the border line cases. > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16101 > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16006?threaded= 1 > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 4218?threaded= 1 > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 3477?threaded= 1 > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 3477?threaded= 1 > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 1423?threaded= 1 > Regards, > tw > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Adithji, > > There is not much of change in planetary position in one minute of time. Very rarely the sub-sub may change when it is marginal. But it is considerably dangerous if considered for Ascendant and the cusps. This is applicable for Horary Time Chart also. Thank you for your appreciation. > > Dr. Rath > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > @gro ups.com > > Saturday, September 5, 2009 2:37:07 PM > > Re: Utility of Sub-subs > > > > > > Dear Dr. Rath, > > > > Nice Study ! > > > > Sub Sub Usage may be useful in case of the Planetary positions and danger in case of Cuspal positions. > > > > This is the Andra lord which plays the key role in case of Moon. Similarly the Andra Lord (sub sub) of other planets may also have some impact on the Planetary significations. . > > > > When we find two planets are in the same star and sub, the sub sub level can also be considered to know the strength of the planets. > > > > All these need to be studied well. > > > > Good Luck for your consistent study on such things! > > > > Regards > > Adith > > > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote: > > > > > > >[Attachment( s) from Luther Rath included below] > > > > > > > > >Respectable Seniors and friends, > > >My due respects to all. > > >The attached file is a study on how safe is to use the sub-subs and sub-sub-subs in a Natal Chart or Horary. > > >I invite your comments , opinion and answer to my question at the end. > > >I shall be grateful for your replies. > > >Dr. Rath > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Thanks Dear Neeraj Dr. Rath Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2009 7:38:36 PMRe: Utility of Sub-subs Dear Rath Sir, Nice attachement & study. It all depends upon accuracy of TOB of native or even for horary. If time is correct upto seconds level than we can thing about sub-sub level , if time is correct upto minute level , which genraly happens ,it is better to strict & restrict upto sub level. we are thingking of all this because we have computer for making Kp kundli ,it was difficult to calculate all this stuff(sub-sub- sub) manually before. Thanks & regards, Neeraj --- On Sat, 9/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther > Utility of Sub-subs [1 Attachment]@gro ups.comSaturday, September 5, 2009, 3:43 AM Respectable Seniors and friends,My due respects to all.The attached file is a study on how safe is to use the sub-subs and sub-sub-subs in a Natal Chart or Horary.I invite your comments , opinion and answer to my question at the end.I shall be grateful for your replies.Dr. Rath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Sir, Lagna suddenly jumps for 1 minute. There by it jumps some sub-subs that do not cover more than 15 minutes. The rate of the movements of the planets has not changed by this study. They have their own rate of speed and they do not deviate at least in our life time. Most of the time they transit in the subs more than 1 minute. They are not so fast. Dr. Rath tw853 <tw853 Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2009 9:10:36 PM Re: Utility of Sub-subs Dear Friend,It appears that changes in sub sub of the 9 planets are concluded on the basis of Lagna's moving speed other than each planet's different moving speed, which seems not correct.Regards,tw @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Sir,> 1. It is OK.> 2. Sub-sub and perhaps sub-sub-sub can be used safely for Planets. But it is never safe to use sub-sub fro the ascendant and cusps of Natal charts and time charts. Yes, in 30 % of cases it may click but in 70 % of cases it may be wrong. > 3. In the constellation of Sun one may miss sun, Moon, Mars and Rahu sub-subs. Because all of the together do not constitute 15 minutes. You can imagine in other constellations too. Particularly it happens do in the constellations of Sun, Mars and Moon constellation.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> tw853 <tw853> @gro ups.com> Sunday, September 6, 2009 9:20:52 AM> Re: Utility of Sub-subs> > > Dear Dr. Rath ji,> 1. As aware, KP goes with rationale and logical reasoning, basically planet is a source, star the result and the SUB a deciding factor whether the matter is favorable or not. It stops at the SUB.> 2. What would be the rationale of SUB SUB or SUB SUB SUB? How and where to use effectively?> 3. Technically up to the SUB level, even up to SUB SUB level, it has been generally found no significant changes, except in the border line cases.> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16101> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16006?threaded= 1> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 4218?threaded= 1> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 3477?threaded= 1> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 3477?threaded= 1> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 1423?threaded= 1 > Regards,> tw> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Adithji,> > There is not much of change in planetary position in one minute of time. Very rarely the sub-sub may change when it is marginal. But it is considerably dangerous if considered for Ascendant and the cusps. This is applicable for Horary Time Chart also. Thank you for your appreciation. > > Dr. Rath> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ ...>> > @gro ups.com> > Saturday, September 5, 2009 2:37:07 PM> > Re: Utility of Sub-subs> > > > > > Dear Dr. Rath,> > > > Nice Study !> > > > Sub Sub Usage may be useful in case of the Planetary positions and danger in case of Cuspal positions.> > > > This is the Andra lord which plays the key role in case of Moon. Similarly the Andra Lord (sub sub) of other planets may also have some impact on the Planetary significations. .> > > > When we find two planets are in the same star and sub, the sub sub level can also be considered to know the strength of the planets.> > > > All these need to be studied well.> > > > Good Luck for your consistent study on such things!> > > > Regards> > Adith> > > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > > > > > >[Attachment( s) from Luther Rath included below] > > >> > >> > >Respectable Seniors and friends,> > >My due respects to all.> > >The attached file is a study on how safe is to use the sub-subs and sub-sub-subs in a Natal Chart or Horary.> > >I invite your comments , opinion and answer to my question at the end.> > >I shall be grateful for your replies.> > >Dr. Rath> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Friend, It's mathematically wrong and dosen't make sense to measure the time of movement of nine planets, which are moving by differrent speeds, using the same rate of Asc. moving one rasi sign by two hrs. Regards, tw , Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: > > Sir, > Lagna suddenly jumps for 1 minute. There by it jumps some sub-subs that do not cover more than 15 minutes. The rate of the movements of the planets has not changed by this study. They have their own rate of speed and they do not deviate at least in our life time. Most of the time they transit in the subs more than 1 minute. They are not so fast. > Dr. Rath > > > > > ________________________________ > tw853 <tw853 > > Sunday, September 6, 2009 9:10:36 PM > Re: Utility of Sub-subs > > > Dear Friend, > It appears that changes in sub sub of the 9 planets are concluded on the basis of Lagna's moving speed other than each planet's different moving speed, which seems not correct. > Regards, > tw > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote: > > > > Respected Sir, > > 1. It is OK. > > 2. Sub-sub and perhaps sub-sub-sub can be used safely for Planets. But it is never safe to use sub-sub fro the ascendant and cusps of Natal charts and time charts. Yes, in 30 % of cases it may click but in 70 % of cases it may be wrong. > > 3. In the constellation of Sun one may miss sun, Moon, Mars and Rahu sub-subs. Because all of the together do not constitute 15 minutes. You can imagine in other constellations too. Particularly it happens do in the constellations of Sun, Mars and Moon constellation. > > Dr. Rath > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > tw853 <tw853@> > > @gro ups.com > > Sunday, September 6, 2009 9:20:52 AM > > Re: Utility of Sub-subs > > > > > > Dear Dr. Rath ji, > > 1. As aware, KP goes with rationale and logical reasoning, basically planet is a source, star the result and the SUB a deciding factor whether the matter is favorable or not. It stops at the SUB. > > 2. What would be the rationale of SUB SUB or SUB SUB SUB? How and where to use effectively? > > 3. Technically up to the SUB level, even up to SUB SUB level, it has been generally found no significant changes, except in the border line cases. > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16101 > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16006?threaded= 1 > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 4218?threaded= 1 > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 3477?threaded= 1 > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 3477?threaded= 1 > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 1423?threaded= 1 > > Regards, > > tw > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Adithji, > > > There is not much of change in planetary position in one minute of time. Very rarely the sub-sub may change when it is marginal. But it is considerably dangerous if considered for Ascendant and the cusps. This is applicable for Horary Time Chart also. Thank you for your appreciation. > > > Dr. Rath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > @gro ups.com > > > Saturday, September 5, 2009 2:37:07 PM > > > Re: Utility of Sub-subs > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr. Rath, > > > > > > Nice Study ! > > > > > > Sub Sub Usage may be useful in case of the Planetary positions and danger in case of Cuspal positions. > > > > > > This is the Andra lord which plays the key role in case of Moon. Similarly the Andra Lord (sub sub) of other planets may also have some impact on the Planetary significations. . > > > > > > When we find two planets are in the same star and sub, the sub sub level can also be considered to know the strength of the planets. > > > > > > All these need to be studied well. > > > > > > Good Luck for your consistent study on such things! > > > > > > Regards > > > Adith > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >[Attachment( s) from Luther Rath included below] > > > > > > > > > > > >Respectable Seniors and friends, > > > >My due respects to all. > > > >The attached file is a study on how safe is to use the sub-subs and sub-sub-subs in a Natal Chart or Horary. > > > >I invite your comments , opinion and answer to my question at the end. > > > >I shall be grateful for your replies. > > > >Dr. Rath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Respected Sir, Approximately, to day, Moon moves 0.54 Min in one minute..It is the fastest.. degrees in one hour. Sun transits 0.04 minutes in one minute. Mercury is static for the entire day. I need not mention about the slower ones. The Ascendant transits about 15 minutes in one minute of time. What is mathematically wrong? I may be rectified Please! I shall be happy to find out my mistake. Dr. Rath tw853 <tw853 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 5:24:03 PM Re: Utility of Sub-subs Friend,It's mathematically wrong and dosen't make sense to measure the time of movement of nine planets, which are moving by differrent speeds, using the same rate of Asc. moving one rasi sign by two hrs.Regards,tw @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Sir,> Lagna suddenly jumps for 1 minute. There by it jumps some sub-subs that do not cover more than 15 minutes. The rate of the movements of the planets has not changed by this study. They have their own rate of speed and they do not deviate at least in our life time. Most of the time they transit in the subs more than 1 minute. They are not so fast.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> tw853 <tw853> @gro ups.com> Sunday, September 6, 2009 9:10:36 PM> Re: Utility of Sub-subs> > > Dear Friend,> It appears that changes in sub sub of the 9 planets are concluded on the basis of Lagna's moving speed other than each planet's different moving speed, which seems not correct.> Regards,> tw > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> >> > Respected Sir,> > 1. It is OK.> > 2. Sub-sub and perhaps sub-sub-sub can be used safely for Planets. But it is never safe to use sub-sub fro the ascendant and cusps of Natal charts and time charts. Yes, in 30 % of cases it may click but in 70 % of cases it may be wrong. > > 3. In the constellation of Sun one may miss sun, Moon, Mars and Rahu sub-subs. Because all of the together do not constitute 15 minutes. You can imagine in other constellations too. Particularly it happens do in the constellations of Sun, Mars and Moon constellation.> > Dr. Rath> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > tw853 <tw853@>> > @gro ups.com> > Sunday, September 6, 2009 9:20:52 AM> > Re: Utility of Sub-subs> > > > > > Dear Dr. Rath ji,> > 1. As aware, KP goes with rationale and logical reasoning, basically planet is a source, star the result and the SUB a deciding factor whether the matter is favorable or not. It stops at the SUB.> > 2. What would be the rationale of SUB SUB or SUB SUB SUB? How and where to use effectively?> > 3. Technically up to the SUB level, even up to SUB SUB level, it has been generally found no significant changes, except in the border line cases.> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16101> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16006?threaded= 1> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 4218?threaded= 1> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 3477?threaded= 1> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 3477?threaded= 1> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 1423?threaded= 1 > > Regards,> > tw> > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Adithji,> > > There is not much of change in planetary position in one minute of time. Very rarely the sub-sub may change when it is marginal. But it is considerably dangerous if considered for Ascendant and the cusps. This is applicable for Horary Time Chart also. Thank you for your appreciation. > > > Dr. Rath> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ ...>> > > @gro ups.com> > > Saturday, September 5, 2009 2:37:07 PM> > > Re: Utility of Sub-subs> > > > > > > > > Dear Dr. Rath,> > > > > > Nice Study !> > > > > > Sub Sub Usage may be useful in case of the Planetary positions and danger in case of Cuspal positions.> > > > > > This is the Andra lord which plays the key role in case of Moon. Similarly the Andra Lord (sub sub) of other planets may also have some impact on the Planetary significations. .> > > > > > When we find two planets are in the same star and sub, the sub sub level can also be considered to know the strength of the planets.> > > > > > All these need to be studied well.> > > > > > Good Luck for your consistent study on such things!> > > > > > Regards> > > Adith> > > > > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther@ . com> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >[Attachment( s) from Luther Rath included below] > > > >> > > >> > > >Respectable Seniors and friends,> > > >My due respects to all.> > > >The attached file is a study on how safe is to use the sub-subs and sub-sub-subs in a Natal Chart or Horary.> > > >I invite your comments , opinion and answer to my question at the end.> > > >I shall be grateful for your replies.> > > >Dr. Rath> > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Dear Dr. Rath ji, 1. I'm sorry for not thoroughly reading your original message, which means: a) Asc moves 15 minutes of the Zodiac for a change of 1 minute in the TOB; b) Out of 81 sub-sub zones, 57 (70.4%) zones are less than 15 minutes range of the Zodiac; c) Hence there is a chance of 70.4% that Asc. sub-sub lord may change from one to another for a change of 1 minute in the TOB; d) Accordingly other cuspal sub-sub lords may change. e) Such changes are well understandable at the sub-sub-sub level. 2. That is true for the fastest moving Asc. and so Guruji KSK had found always to count the bhava from Asc. not from Moon. Of course, it will be much more flexible for the planets other than Asc. and cusps. 3. In KP, by considering only up to sub, as per the table of sub lord zones, for the up to 40 minute change of the Zodiac there is no change in the sub. So 2 sec or 20 sec or 200 sec difference of the Zodiac doesn't change the sub and so KP correct predictions have been got by using Lahiri Ayanamsa or Straight Line Ayanamsa, which is very closed to Lahiri. Regards, tw , Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: > > Respected Sir, > Approximately, to day, Moon moves 0.54 Min in one minute..It is the fastest.. degrees in one hour. Sun transits 0.04 minutes in one minute. Mercury is static for the entire day. I need not mention about the slower ones. The Ascendant transits about 15 minutes in one minute of time. What is mathematically wrong? I may be rectified Please! I shall be happy to find out my mistake. > Dr. Rath > > > > ________________________________ > tw853 <tw853 > > Monday, September 7, 2009 5:24:03 PM > Re: Utility of Sub-subs > > > Friend, > It's mathematically wrong and dosen't make sense to measure the time of movement of nine planets, which are moving by differrent speeds, using the same rate of Asc. moving one rasi sign by two hrs. > Regards, > tw > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > Lagna suddenly jumps for 1 minute. There by it jumps some sub-subs that do not cover more than 15 minutes. The rate of the movements of the planets has not changed by this study. They have their own rate of speed and they do not deviate at least in our life time. Most of the time they transit in the subs more than 1 minute. They are not so fast. > > Dr. Rath > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > tw853 <tw853@> > > @gro ups.com > > Sunday, September 6, 2009 9:10:36 PM > > Re: Utility of Sub-subs > > > > > > Dear Friend, > > It appears that changes in sub sub of the 9 planets are concluded on the basis of Lagna's moving speed other than each planet's different moving speed, which seems not correct. > > Regards, > > tw > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Sir, > > > 1. It is OK. > > > 2. Sub-sub and perhaps sub-sub-sub can be used safely for Planets. But it is never safe to use sub-sub fro the ascendant and cusps of Natal charts and time charts. Yes, in 30 % of cases it may click but in 70 % of cases it may be wrong. > > > 3. In the constellation of Sun one may miss sun, Moon, Mars and Rahu sub-subs. Because all of the together do not constitute 15 minutes. You can imagine in other constellations too. Particularly it happens do in the constellations of Sun, Mars and Moon constellation. > > > Dr. Rath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > tw853 <tw853@> > > > @gro ups.com > > > Sunday, September 6, 2009 9:20:52 AM > > > Re: Utility of Sub-subs > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr. Rath ji, > > > 1. As aware, KP goes with rationale and logical reasoning, basically planet is a source, star the result and the SUB a deciding factor whether the matter is favorable or not. It stops at the SUB. > > > 2. What would be the rationale of SUB SUB or SUB SUB SUB? How and where to use effectively? > > > 3. Technically up to the SUB level, even up to SUB SUB level, it has been generally found no significant changes, except in the border line cases. > > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16101 > > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16006?threaded= 1 > > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 4218?threaded= 1 > > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 3477?threaded= 1 > > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 3477?threaded= 1 > > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 1423?threaded= 1 > > > Regards, > > > tw > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Adithji, > > > > There is not much of change in planetary position in one minute of time. Very rarely the sub-sub may change when it is marginal. But it is considerably dangerous if considered for Ascendant and the cusps. This is applicable for Horary Time Chart also. Thank you for your appreciation. > > > > Dr. Rath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Saturday, September 5, 2009 2:37:07 PM > > > > Re: Utility of Sub-subs > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr. Rath, > > > > > > > > Nice Study ! > > > > > > > > Sub Sub Usage may be useful in case of the Planetary positions and danger in case of Cuspal positions. > > > > > > > > This is the Andra lord which plays the key role in case of Moon. Similarly the Andra Lord (sub sub) of other planets may also have some impact on the Planetary significations. . > > > > > > > > When we find two planets are in the same star and sub, the sub sub level can also be considered to know the strength of the planets. > > > > > > > > All these need to be studied well. > > > > > > > > Good Luck for your consistent study on such things! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Adith > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >[Attachment( s) from Luther Rath included below] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Respectable Seniors and friends, > > > > >My due respects to all. > > > > >The attached file is a study on how safe is to use the sub-subs and sub-sub-subs in a Natal Chart or Horary. > > > > >I invite your comments , opinion and answer to my question at the end. > > > > >I shall be grateful for your replies. > > > > >Dr. Rath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Thank you so much Respected TWji, I have so much of relief now after going through your message. I was much afraid if really I was wrong some where. The use of various Ayanamsa is a different issue. My regards. Dr. Rath tw853 <tw853 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 5:43:21 AM Re: Utility of Sub-subs Dear Dr. Rath ji,1. I'm sorry for not thoroughly reading your original message, which means:a) Asc moves 15 minutes of the Zodiac for a change of 1 minute in the TOB; b) Out of 81 sub-sub zones, 57 (70.4%) zones are less than 15 minutes range of the Zodiac;c) Hence there is a chance of 70.4% that Asc. sub-sub lord may change from one to another for a change of 1 minute in the TOB;d) Accordingly other cuspal sub-sub lords may change.e) Such changes are well understandable at the sub-sub-sub level.2. That is true for the fastest moving Asc. and so Guruji KSK had found always to count the bhava from Asc. not from Moon. Of course, it will be much more flexible for the planets other than Asc. and cusps.3. In KP, by considering only up to sub, as per the table of sub lord zones, for the up to 40 minute change of the Zodiac there is no change in the sub. So 2 sec or 20 sec or 200 sec difference of the Zodiac doesn't change the sub and so KP correct predictions have been got by using Lahiri Ayanamsa or Straight Line Ayanamsa, which is very closed to Lahiri.Regards,tw @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Sir,> Approximately, to day, Moon moves 0.54 Min in one minute..It is the fastest.. degrees in one hour. Sun transits 0.04 minutes in one minute. Mercury is static for the entire day. I need not mention about the slower ones. The Ascendant transits about 15 minutes in one minute of time. What is mathematically wrong? I may be rectified Please! I shall be happy to find out my mistake.> Dr. Rath> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> tw853 <tw853> @gro ups.com> Monday, September 7, 2009 5:24:03 PM> Re: Utility of Sub-subs> > > Friend,> It's mathematically wrong and dosen't make sense to measure the time of movement of nine planets, which are moving by differrent speeds, using the same rate of Asc. moving one rasi sign by two hrs.> Regards,> tw > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> >> > Sir,> > Lagna suddenly jumps for 1 minute. There by it jumps some sub-subs that do not cover more than 15 minutes. The rate of the movements of the planets has not changed by this study. They have their own rate of speed and they do not deviate at least in our life time. Most of the time they transit in the subs more than 1 minute. They are not so fast.> > Dr. Rath> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > tw853 <tw853@>> > @gro ups.com> > Sunday, September 6, 2009 9:10:36 PM> > Re: Utility of Sub-subs> > > > > > Dear Friend,> > It appears that changes in sub sub of the 9 planets are concluded on the basis of Lagna's moving speed other than each planet's different moving speed, which seems not correct.> > Regards,> > tw > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Sir,> > > 1. It is OK.> > > 2. Sub-sub and perhaps sub-sub-sub can be used safely for Planets. But it is never safe to use sub-sub fro the ascendant and cusps of Natal charts and time charts. Yes, in 30 % of cases it may click but in 70 % of cases it may be wrong. > > > 3. In the constellation of Sun one may miss sun, Moon, Mars and Rahu sub-subs. Because all of the together do not constitute 15 minutes. You can imagine in other constellations too. Particularly it happens do in the constellations of Sun, Mars and Moon constellation.> > > Dr. Rath> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > tw853 <tw853@>> > > @gro ups.com> > > Sunday, September 6, 2009 9:20:52 AM> > > Re: Utility of Sub-subs> > > > > > > > > Dear Dr. Rath ji,> > > 1. As aware, KP goes with rationale and logical reasoning, basically planet is a source, star the result and the SUB a deciding factor whether the matter is favorable or not. It stops at the SUB.> > > 2. What would be the rationale of SUB SUB or SUB SUB SUB? How and where to use effectively?> > > 3. Technically up to the SUB level, even up to SUB SUB level, it has been generally found no significant changes, except in the border line cases.> > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16101> > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16006?threaded= 1> > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 4218?threaded= 1> > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 3477?threaded= 1> > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 3477?threaded= 1> > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 1423?threaded= 1 > > > Regards,> > > tw> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Adithji,> > > > There is not much of change in planetary position in one minute of time. Very rarely the sub-sub may change when it is marginal. But it is considerably dangerous if considered for Ascendant and the cusps. This is applicable for Horary Time Chart also. Thank you for your appreciation. > > > > Dr. Rath> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ ...>> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Saturday, September 5, 2009 2:37:07 PM> > > > Re: Utility of Sub-subs> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr. Rath,> > > > > > > > Nice Study !> > > > > > > > Sub Sub Usage may be useful in case of the Planetary positions and danger in case of Cuspal positions.> > > > > > > > This is the Andra lord which plays the key role in case of Moon. Similarly the Andra Lord (sub sub) of other planets may also have some impact on the Planetary significations. .> > > > > > > > When we find two planets are in the same star and sub, the sub sub level can also be considered to know the strength of the planets.> > > > > > > > All these need to be studied well.> > > > > > > > Good Luck for your consistent study on such things!> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Adith> > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >[Attachment( s) from Luther Rath included below] > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >Respectable Seniors and friends,> > > > >My due respects to all.> > > > >The attached file is a study on how safe is to use the sub-subs and sub-sub-subs in a Natal Chart or Horary.> > > > >I invite your comments , opinion and answer to my question at the end.> > > > >I shall be grateful for your replies.> > > > >Dr. Rath> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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